**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 14 02:59:58 2011 Apr 14 03:04:13 I'm getting an error for the app cat on my unactivated pre2 Apr 14 03:04:33 it keeps telling me "this app is not available for your model" Apr 14 03:07:04 you can't access app cat without a valid profile Apr 14 03:07:24 I'm logged in and used to have app cat access Apr 14 03:08:16 on a never activated phone? Apr 14 03:08:50 never activated.. development device from Palm Apr 14 03:11:34 was it logged into a palm profile? Apr 14 03:11:35 PatrickC_Pre2: the one that has first use bypassed? Apr 14 03:11:49 that's how we got them at Dev Day Apr 14 03:11:50 rwhitby: yes it was Apr 14 03:12:11 it didn't have first use bypassed Apr 14 03:12:21 PatrickC_Pre2: how was that done if it was never activated? or do you have a different definition of activated than I do? Apr 14 03:12:24 it was in a sealed box like I bought it from them for use Apr 14 03:12:43 I use the meta-doctor to bypass firstuse and activate over wifi Apr 14 03:12:50 that's not activated Apr 14 03:12:55 that's logged into a profile Apr 14 03:13:00 oh oh. ok Apr 14 03:13:12 you put the thing into recovery mode right away and meta doctored it Apr 14 03:13:20 ok, so i found the "sar" command, which is exactly what i want. novaterm doesn't know this. Does anyone know if there is an equivalent? Apr 14 03:13:53 NickNick: top? Apr 14 03:14:12 no, sar gives a timeline of what process used the processor, and how much Apr 14 03:15:40 like the first image here: http://www.macgeekery.com/gspot/2006-04/mac_os_xs_bastard_sar_implementation Apr 14 03:15:58 PatrickC_Pre2: dunno then, it should work. Maybe Palm is out to get you. Apr 14 03:16:07 yes! Apr 14 03:16:16 i think he may be on the list Apr 14 03:16:26 lol Apr 14 03:16:59 the secret palm underground strikes again Apr 14 03:17:34 we don't speak about the list... Apr 14 03:18:00 well, while it's not as nice, you could get that same info from top Apr 14 03:18:42 palm spies be everywhere.... Apr 14 03:19:06 That baby over there? palm spy Apr 14 03:19:08 SineOt: can i get it while the screen is off and without an SDK machine? Maybe i'll just have to SDK my work lappy Apr 14 03:20:10 screen off, yes, without an SDK machineā€¦ maybe? Apr 14 03:22:39 WebAppMgr seems to bobble around for the top usage, along with, of course, top Apr 14 03:24:59 I'm coming in on the back end of this, NickNick, you can compile sar, probably Apr 14 03:25:15 NickNick: also, you could ssh to the pre, and use top that way? Apr 14 03:26:13 summatusmentis: ok, cool. I've been looking for an excuse to get ssh up and running on it Apr 14 03:26:57 NickNick: you can, however, compile/package sar for the Pre's arm arch, and that way everyone could do it :) Apr 14 03:27:31 summatusmentis: waaay over my head... sounds like fun :) Apr 14 03:27:49 heh, it's over my head too Apr 14 03:28:12 it's something I've been wanting to do for a couple packages, but I don't know anything about packaging, and I don't have the time Apr 14 03:29:52 surprised to see it's not even in optware Apr 14 03:31:23 it's in "sysstat", i believe Apr 14 03:31:43 at least for red-hat Apr 14 03:50:08 anyone know where SDL terminal on phone puts files on the phone? Apr 14 03:51:37 found it: / Apr 14 03:52:11 i think i can make top do what i want with this: top i -d 10 -b > top-output.txt Apr 14 03:52:49 also may add -n with some number of iterations Apr 14 03:54:45 hello Apr 14 03:56:09 hi Apr 14 03:57:55 well, thats enough for me tonight. goodnight everyone. Apr 14 04:12:20 rwhitby: when I have app cat/homebrew updates, and hit the "update all" button in preware, if there is an app cat app that needs updating and its first, preware tries to update it as if it was a homebrew app Apr 14 04:12:24 did that make sense? Apr 14 04:15:34 made sense to me Apr 14 04:15:56 here is the log: Apr 14 04:16:01 [2011-04-14 04:14:30] (Preware) Error: EXCEPTION [packageModel#doUpdate], (TypeError): "Object false has no method 'replace'" Apr 14 04:20:25 why people try to bash me and treat me like I'm some sort of stupid who doesn't know what I'm doing? ... it makes me mad :@ Apr 14 04:20:42 who does that? Apr 14 04:21:20 rwhitby: I fixed the app cat bug, I just re-signed into my profile, restarted the device, and it worked Apr 14 04:21:41 grndslm, P|C, in the 2.1 pixi thread :@ Apr 14 04:22:28 @nuttybunny mainly because they are social inept & really don't think about the consequences of what they say, especially on P|C Apr 14 04:22:31 what did he say? (don't have the thread pulled up) or nsfw? Apr 14 04:23:14 is there some sort of nsfw rule in this room ;) Apr 14 04:23:17 http://forums.precentral.net/2937010-post104.html Apr 14 04:23:34 nah Apr 14 04:23:39 not afaik Apr 14 04:24:16 how was he bashing you? Apr 14 04:24:33 I know the reasons why Rod took out the Cygwin support, in fact we were with him when he did it Apr 14 04:24:51 I was in here too Apr 14 04:26:02 I just felt insulted, as if I didn't know windows and its funny issues, as if I didn't know how to use the meta doctor, as if I couldn't check meta doctor source files to see what and how it does the backup and that it doesn't get affected by the filesystem... Apr 14 04:26:18 ... now that I read it, it wasn't a direct attack.. hehehe Apr 14 04:26:26 NuttyBunny, the simplest reason is that PreCentral is generally pretty crappy Apr 14 04:27:24 SineOt: True, but it's still the largest webOS forum, and if we let it die we all go with it ;) Apr 14 04:27:44 true Apr 14 04:28:05 doesn't mean it doesn't have a lot of stuff that sucks! Apr 14 04:28:14 I know... Apr 14 04:28:50 as someone who started a forum too late (after the death of mytreo.net) I know what you mean @nuttybunny Apr 14 04:30:12 SineOt: Yep, but that's the stickies and search functions are for.. Apr 14 04:32:05 hi, i'm trying to figure out how to run a .jar file in webos, can anyone point me in the right direction? Apr 14 04:32:29 you can't Apr 14 04:32:47 or maybe you can but I don't think so Apr 14 04:33:08 well, i mean what do i need to do to convert it or whatever? Apr 14 04:33:24 i was thinking about using gwt or something Apr 14 04:33:24 what are you trying to do? Apr 14 04:33:26 what is the jar file? Apr 14 04:33:27 what are you trying to do? Apr 14 04:33:49 are you writing a program? Apr 14 04:33:52 its for a program called smartcam that enables the phone to be used as a webcam Apr 14 04:34:09 link? Apr 14 04:34:17 i need to install the files on the phone correctly Apr 14 04:34:41 and you would use the rear-facing camera for that? Apr 14 04:34:56 http://smartcam.sourceforge.net/ Apr 14 04:35:01 yeah i think so Apr 14 04:35:25 2.x or 1.4.x? Apr 14 04:35:31 2.1.0 Apr 14 04:35:53 preminus: Did you manage to get access to the camera? Apr 14 04:36:08 on the phone? no Apr 14 04:36:23 ah, I just read the backlog Apr 14 04:36:28 I believe that .jar files are Java, and I believe Java services were taken out of 2.x and replaces with node Apr 14 04:36:29 i cant install the files on the phone :P Apr 14 04:36:36 no, no... Apr 14 04:36:38 you CAN Apr 14 04:36:48 but I don't think you'll get access to the camera Apr 14 04:36:53 doesn't work on webos SmartCam - Smart Phone Web Camera - Turns a camera phone (S60, WinMo6.x, Android, Samsung Bada) with bluetooth or WiFi into a handy webcam ready to use with your PC Apr 14 04:36:53 do i need to use gwt to make it .js? Apr 14 04:36:57 lemme look for the thread Apr 14 04:37:12 well there is a basic linux version Apr 14 04:37:47 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/271643-java-virtual-machine-jvm-works-webos-1-45-2-0-a.html Apr 14 04:37:49 if someone x-devs andriod & webos they could look at the android one Apr 14 04:38:14 nice nuttybunny i'd missed that thread Apr 14 04:38:21 There, a java runtime for .jar apps, but I bet it won't work for what you want Apr 14 04:38:43 by the way you're very helpful with messaging plugins Apr 14 04:38:48 I know my OS and what's capable to do :D Apr 14 04:38:49 hmm, thx yeah ill check it out Apr 14 04:38:50 I don't think that Palm has released the camera access API to *anyone* yet Apr 14 04:39:08 nuttybunny is helpful with everything :) Apr 14 04:39:22 also i was looking at this http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/270886-how-run-java-jar-applications-webos.html Apr 14 04:39:32 like my preware error log :) Apr 14 04:39:35 Palm has released the camera API just to the video chat devs ;) hehehe Apr 14 04:39:52 yes but the java is for the pc I believe Apr 14 04:39:57 pre3 and touchpad only devs :) Apr 14 04:39:58 for fight club! look! a kitten!!! Apr 14 04:40:17 where?? I like me a kitty Apr 14 04:40:36 anyone here help develop the WOR app? Apr 14 04:40:54 yeah i see what you mean nuttybunny about the api Apr 14 04:40:56 someone needs to unpack the apk http://sourceforge.net/projects/smartcam/files/smartcam_android/SmartCamAndroid_v1_4_0/ Apr 14 04:41:12 use 7zip and try to unpack it Apr 14 04:41:46 I'm not at a PC right now, or I would Apr 14 04:43:23 * NuttyBunny takes the popcorn out, sits back and relaxes to enjoy this ;) Apr 14 04:43:40 NuttyBunny: he did seem a little quick to jump to the conclusion that you didn't know what you were doing, but people do things like that sometimes (blindly following something they heard from someone they trust rather than trying to understand) Apr 14 04:43:41 * halfhalo has that new fancy pop-up bowl popcorn Apr 14 04:44:16 i looked at the android files but im not sure which files go on the phone Apr 14 04:44:39 does it have the necessary files to be made into an ipk? Apr 14 04:45:06 not sure, they are prob. in there somewhere Apr 14 04:45:38 the end goal would be to use the phone as a webcam, 3.0mp>1.3mp for laptop etc. Apr 14 04:47:21 I'm on wirc so I can't explore it or the linux tar.gz Apr 14 04:47:55 NuttyBunny, great, now we have a meta-doctor download link to megaupload in the forum. http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pixi/280300-hp-webos2-1-pixi-wild-update-full-photos-6.html#post2937040 Apr 14 04:47:58 I'm on wIRC as well Apr 14 04:48:18 * PatrickC_Pre2 checks it out Apr 14 04:48:35 previous version ... but it will work anyway Apr 14 04:49:48 oh, so its the old files that allow you to use win? Apr 14 04:50:31 * halfhalo isn't on wirc... but he is lazy Apr 14 04:50:45 lol Apr 14 04:56:24 PatrickC_Pre2: It's the one that let's use win only if you've already downloaded the doctor file. I've already corrected that... Rod whipped me ;) Apr 14 04:56:42 hehe Apr 14 05:03:36 grrr... make backup doesn't seem to work Apr 14 05:04:39 well, I'm off to bed Apr 14 05:04:42 night all Apr 14 05:04:48 nite Apr 14 05:07:31 I'm missing something, I think the backup target won't work on a live device :S Apr 14 05:08:51 what, it'll only work on a dead one? what's the point of taking a backup if you can only do it AFTER it's died? Apr 14 05:09:44 no, no, not dead Apr 14 05:10:41 I think it has to boot with the installer, I read that somewhere, but there's so much info that I'm having a hard time finding it Apr 14 05:11:21 ah, that's what you mean Apr 14 05:14:13 found it.. and it's not good :S Apr 14 05:14:43 memboot, and it has to download the doctor :@ Apr 14 05:16:35 * NuttyBunny goes to fix meta doctor again :D ... we need to memboot the Pre before making the backup (Pixi) Apr 14 05:19:49 Ok, it's uncompresing the doctor to get the boot file... Apr 14 05:23:02 GSM Pixis exist on AT&T? Apr 14 05:24:35 yup yup Apr 14 05:24:39 GSM Pixi Plus Apr 14 05:25:05 excellent... Apr 14 05:39:54 correcting the post :) Apr 14 06:08:08 Damn... isn't there an easier way to get just novacom.exe than downloading the entire SDK???! Apr 14 06:14:17 http://universal-novacom-installer.googlecode.com/files/Universal%20Novacom%20Installer.jar does this help? Apr 14 06:15:15 nope Apr 14 06:15:23 I need novacom.exe, not novacomd Apr 14 06:17:34 Isn't there an XP version of the SDK anymore? it only says Vista/Win7 Apr 14 06:17:49 can't you just download it without downloading the sdk? Apr 14 06:17:52 idk Apr 14 06:19:23 I can't find it :@ nowhere Apr 14 06:19:46 the funniest part is that the page says "only vista and windows 7" Apr 14 06:19:57 and I need it in XP Apr 14 06:23:28 oh so for windows download you can only get it with sdk? Apr 14 06:25:42 I don't know if it's the same on Linux, I always get the sdk Apr 14 06:26:44 i think with linux there is a link for a separate download of novacom Apr 14 06:34:26 yes, you're right :S Apr 14 06:35:26 so you're working in windows? Apr 14 06:38:09 no, Linux, but my tester is on windows, so we can update the instructions for the vietnam guy (the 2.1 pixi) Apr 14 06:38:55 so you needed novacom for windows then? Apr 14 06:48:14 yep, novacom.exe, I've got it already Apr 14 07:06:44 so whats the latest greatest way to tether a pre? Apr 14 07:09:36 th3void: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0033Z08G0 Apr 14 07:09:50 oh wait, that's what I have on my veer, sry Apr 14 07:09:50 morning Apr 14 07:09:59 Adora! Apr 14 07:10:04 ruh oh Apr 14 07:10:11 *catrub* Apr 14 07:10:15 * Adora hides under the couch Apr 14 07:16:53 adora? Apr 14 07:17:26 are you aware of the catalog problems in europe? Apr 14 07:17:58 ummmm not that kind of tether Apr 14 07:18:11 the internet to wifi to laptop kind' Apr 14 07:33:47 th3void: freeTether from preware works great for usb internet tethering Apr 14 07:34:05 and the wifi tethering, with wpa2 personal, is beginning to be usable Apr 14 07:55:42 nice i just got 2.46 down 0.31 up tethered on wifi Apr 14 07:56:24 theres people with slower dsl thn that Apr 14 08:00:04 coms board is getting warm, downloading a file at over 200kilobytes/sec sustained Apr 14 08:03:23 battery current tops out around 620ma with full speed downloading Apr 14 08:26:10 I'm frequently pretty damn impressed with my pre+'s network hardware Apr 14 10:44:52 are there any know issues with dreadfully slow mail app on pre+ with webos 2.1 ? Apr 14 10:48:14 nope Apr 14 10:48:22 I have a pre minus and email works fine Apr 14 10:48:31 maybe a lil slower cause I have 1/2 the RAM you got Apr 14 10:48:51 slow all the time or just from time to time? Apr 14 10:58:32 from time to time, and then really like 'locked up' slow Apr 14 10:58:49 I have 2 EAS + 1 imap account Apr 14 11:04:08 hmm. swisstomcat: you think maybe cause it's EAS accounts? Apr 14 11:04:19 I have one gmail account on mine Apr 14 11:04:45 How often do you have it set to check email? Or does it come in as you get it? Apr 14 11:05:10 you can configure that Apr 14 11:05:16 default is push i think Apr 14 11:05:47 i've not used EAS account yet with 2.1 Apr 14 11:08:01 my EAS account is locked like fort knox Apr 14 11:08:26 gonna move high up so i can be elite and get a work bb. haha Apr 14 12:02:02 i have a failed IPK log and was wondering if anyone can decipher it for me Apr 14 14:20:00 mornin! Apr 14 14:21:59 hi Apr 14 14:22:39 hey, we're now just waiting for the 2.1 Pixi guy to make it happen :D Apr 14 14:32:51 sounds good nutty :) Apr 14 14:56:03 bbl Apr 14 16:42:02 What are some of the ways to get old style palm os data into web os? Apr 14 16:42:34 what kind of data? Apr 14 16:42:47 calendar and contacts Apr 14 16:43:00 from time matters 4.0 Apr 14 16:43:06 syncing through gmail is probably your best bet if you can Apr 14 16:43:29 id rather not put attorney schedule and contact info thru google Apr 14 16:44:16 there's a way to move vcf files around... Apr 14 16:44:36 isnt there a way to hotsync in webos? Apr 14 16:44:47 no Apr 14 16:45:01 well, if you run the Classic PalmOS emulator, you could still hotsync Apr 14 16:45:21 i have that but it expired and they took the site down so you cant buy it Apr 14 16:45:56 i remember reading somewhere about syncing over wifi Apr 14 16:50:26 so i guess the real question is, is there any way to get calendar data formatted for palm desktop style syncing onto the pre without using classic and without using google? Apr 14 16:53:52 well..what can you export to? Apr 14 16:56:49 http://forums.palm.com/t5/Synergy-webOS/Continue-to-sync-your-Pre-with-Palm-Desktop/td-p/206981 Apr 14 16:56:54 it can sync to outlook, palm desktop, outlook ce Apr 14 16:58:04 THANK YOU, great link Apr 14 17:40:00 hey guys Apr 14 17:56:52 Do i need to run the fstab fixer if i doctored to 1.4.5? Apr 14 17:57:19 doctors never had the issue iirc Apr 14 18:33:40 dtzWill you around? Apr 14 18:34:35 hiya phil_bw wandering by? Apr 14 18:34:54 indeed Apr 14 18:35:10 got an Xorg question for Will Apr 14 18:37:42 can't make the orange key "sticky" for the life of me... shift works great though Apr 14 18:50:01 ah, thats either an egaudet question (he did keyboss) or dtzwill Apr 14 18:51:25 yeah, the basic xkbset command enables it for modifer keys like shift and ctrl but since it doesn't identify as a modifier key it gets left alone Apr 14 18:54:58 so you have to modify the mapping to include that in the list Apr 14 18:55:31 I think? I don't know a whole hell of a lot about X key mappings Apr 14 19:31:33 hi Apr 14 19:32:07 i own an WR pre Apr 14 19:32:35 and after the webos 2.1 upgrade, google maps and terminal app doesnt start properly Apr 14 19:32:43 any idea of the cause? Apr 14 19:37:54 leojrfs: terminal is broken, for now SDL terminal and terminus are alternatives Apr 14 19:39:19 destinal, tnks, but since 1.4 i never were able to get terminus working, ill try sdl terminal. about googlemaps, any idea? Apr 14 19:39:34 no idea, works fine for me Apr 14 19:46:51 xterm works too Apr 14 19:47:08 is there any kind of process that i can do to get a verbose output of an webos app? Apr 14 19:47:23 summatusmentis, I just wish I could get in and change the fontsize and colourscheme in xterm. Apr 14 19:47:36 ka6sox-away: I agree Apr 14 19:48:14 and I wish there were shortcuts for up-arrow, tab, ctrl+c, etc. Apr 14 19:48:23 but it is functional Apr 14 19:48:39 leojrfs: I haven't had any issues with google maps on my WR 2.1 pre Apr 14 19:49:11 summatusmentis my gmaps app starts and then hangs up with the loading circle Apr 14 19:49:22 its strange Apr 14 19:49:34 yeah, weird. Are you getting data elsewhere? Apr 14 19:49:49 how so? Apr 14 19:50:07 even if it is the only app running Apr 14 19:50:26 it's not hanging because there's not data connection is it? Apr 14 19:51:28 no, the loading circle stays like 30secs Apr 14 19:51:39 and then white screen Apr 14 19:51:43 like the map was loaded Apr 14 19:51:52 weird Apr 14 19:51:59 yep Apr 14 19:52:21 thats why i was asking if there is any kind of verbose output i can get of an webos app Apr 14 19:52:48 btw, where is xterm? ipkg sources? Apr 14 19:53:19 I'm not which source it's in, let me see Apr 14 19:53:54 webos-internals testing Apr 14 19:54:02 thanks Apr 14 19:58:06 summatusmentis, im just wishing that an upgrade would resolve pre slowness heheh Apr 14 20:00:11 are you OCing? Apr 14 20:00:48 no, the thing im complaining more is about battery Apr 14 20:01:04 ah Apr 14 20:01:39 OC probably would ruin my 38h of lifetime Apr 14 20:02:42 do you keep your phone off? Apr 14 20:02:48 how do you get 38h? Apr 14 20:03:12 10h using it Apr 14 20:03:22 ah Apr 14 20:03:25 8 sleeping Apr 14 20:03:40 and more 10 more hours using it Apr 14 20:03:46 so bad, calculation here Apr 14 20:03:48 28h Apr 14 20:03:51 how are you getting that kind of life? Apr 14 20:03:56 28h Apr 14 20:04:04 ive done a bad calculation Apr 14 20:04:16 I know, but what are you doing on the phone to get that long? Apr 14 20:04:30 3g off Apr 14 20:04:34 gps off Apr 14 20:04:36 ah Apr 14 20:04:44 but still data connection Apr 14 20:04:49 mail push off Apr 14 20:05:09 oh. I like all those things Apr 14 20:05:40 me 2, but battery asks Apr 14 20:06:06 I've got a touchstone, and a second battery, which I charge every night Apr 14 20:06:09 wen i what to browse for example Apr 14 20:06:16 i turn on 3g Apr 14 20:06:29 every night? Apr 14 20:06:32 thats painfull Apr 14 20:06:39 meh, it's not bad Apr 14 20:06:47 I use my phone as an alarm anyway Apr 14 20:06:54 me 2 Apr 14 20:07:12 but you are saying that your battery only get 24h? Apr 14 20:07:15 and the batteries were like, $4 on amazon Apr 14 20:07:22 my battery gets less than that Apr 14 20:07:31 $4? Apr 14 20:07:36 for what country? Apr 14 20:07:42 US Apr 14 20:07:54 thats a problem Apr 14 20:09:03 i had a iphone3g with an mophie juice pack (extra battery with little mutch of the mha of the original battery) Apr 14 20:09:14 with a similar config Apr 14 20:09:19 no 3g and stuff Apr 14 20:09:26 and it would endure for 4 days Apr 14 20:09:31 4-5 days Apr 14 20:09:49 so, charging every day my pre is painfull Apr 14 20:10:21 I use 3g so frequently, partially because I'm on cdma Apr 14 20:11:02 and when I'm not on 3g, calls can't come through Apr 14 20:11:24 hmm, thats why!!! Apr 14 20:11:27 haha Apr 14 20:11:29 never realized that Apr 14 20:11:59 makes total sense Apr 14 20:12:28 still i dont know if there is any improvement in battery life on turning 3g of in the pre Apr 14 20:12:42 so i will turn it on for this week Apr 14 20:15:01 cdma can't do data and voice at the same time, and so when you're on 1x, it waits until the connection closes for it to reconnect to the cell network Apr 14 20:15:19 on evdo, when a call comes in it notifies the phone, which then break the data connection Apr 14 20:16:47 interesting, i never knew that Apr 14 20:17:01 gsm networks don't have that problem Apr 14 20:19:26 gsm prior to 3g does have that problem. Apr 14 20:19:39 humm i get it Apr 14 20:19:46 thanks Apr 14 20:20:03 im seeing at amazon uk that there are very cheap battery's for pre Apr 14 20:20:16 how is the performance with OC? Apr 14 20:20:57 pretty nice, if you're on a pre- you should set compcache pretty high Apr 14 20:21:09 the pre+s have more ram Apr 14 20:22:40 hmm Apr 14 20:22:43 i will test it Apr 14 20:22:45 ya. $3 Palm Pre batteries on Amazon are great. :) Apr 14 20:22:54 i got a fake one the other day Apr 14 20:23:10 is anyone else having issues downloading bfg maps beta? Apr 14 20:24:28 there is no less than 16$ @ uk but its cool Apr 14 20:25:47 summatusmentis, thanks, i got to go Apr 14 20:25:51 bye Apr 14 20:26:30 tah Apr 14 20:42:32 * phil_bw yawns Apr 14 20:43:00 sorta got this working... going to wait for an expert like dtzWill at this point to get it right Apr 14 20:55:17 anyone got gps working on a pre+ running 2.1? Apr 14 20:56:50 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/280134-2-1-vzw-pre-location-services-gps.html Apr 14 20:56:55 im having same issue :( Apr 14 21:10:09 most people think it was a delibrate leak Apr 14 21:10:10 FWIW Apr 14 21:10:12 er Apr 14 21:10:14 wrong window. Apr 14 21:10:41 might as well tell us what leak :) Apr 14 21:10:57 its nothing to do with pre :P Apr 14 21:11:23 don't make me internet-stalk you.. Apr 14 21:11:28 j/k :) Apr 14 21:16:14 haha Apr 14 21:16:17 good luck ;) Apr 14 21:16:37 you should try and report back. Apr 14 21:18:25 I hate traffic... I hate heat... I hate that my car's A/C is broken :S Apr 14 21:20:22 it's 41F here right now ;) Apr 14 21:21:54 keith: figured it out. xbmc memory leak. that's all the more dectective work I'll do Apr 14 21:22:25 haha nope, nothing to do with xbmc, but good try ;) Apr 14 21:25:55 It's 32C here on the outside :S Apr 14 21:28:28 down under? Apr 14 21:28:59 that has to be a warmer climate for this time of year Apr 14 21:33:11 greenskeleton, depends on where you are...for me NuttyBunny is "down under" Apr 14 21:33:47 mmm... down under... sounds like an "albur" in Mexico Apr 14 21:34:15 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albur Apr 14 21:39:57 NuttyBunny, refers to Australia Apr 14 21:40:27 Yep, I had to do my research on that, but it cranks me up anyway ;) Apr 14 21:55:06 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_Under - heh, has its own page even Apr 14 21:56:18 no wonder I'm cold..its 17C Apr 14 22:05:31 lol Apr 14 22:06:34 90F Apr 14 22:06:57 I'll have a coffee Apr 14 22:45:31 yay, it worked! Apr 14 22:46:00 Yay! Congratz! Apr 14 22:46:02 (what?) Apr 14 22:46:51 what are we celebrating? Apr 14 22:47:35 wirc wouldn't connect to freenode for a while Apr 14 22:47:57 other networks sure, but not freenode Apr 14 22:49:49 wirc won't connect the first time on my Pre, the second time it works, but when I lose network it won't reconnect... :( Apr 14 22:50:49 work is less boring if I have wirc Apr 14 22:51:21 of course :D Apr 14 23:24:08 NuttyBunny: I have the same problem Apr 14 23:26:34 Email to epocrates (about their newsletter): "Please stop sending me your newsletter until you begin supporting webOS again. Thank you" :D Apr 14 23:26:35 bbl Apr 14 23:53:07 quiet in here tonight Apr 15 00:43:13 Anyone good with Ares in here? Apr 15 00:44:52 Ah, screw it, I'll just start from scratch Apr 15 01:27:46 I can make a AT&T pre+ into a phone that can use a prepaid sim, correct? Apr 15 01:28:16 PatrickC_Pre2: I think they just can by default, but you'll have an easier time getting GSM than 3G Apr 15 01:28:21 high-speed internet may be a problem Apr 15 01:28:59 since there is no universal 3G standard of any kind in the US :-/ Apr 15 01:29:04 a friend asked me (they currently have a StraightTalk phone) which uses GSM Apr 15 01:30:35 yeah, supposedly the at&t pre+ will work on any gsm network out there, including international ones Apr 15 01:31:03 but broadband is likely to suck Apr 15 01:31:09 stock? or meta-doctor required? Apr 15 01:32:46 not sure. I've been looking into this myself and I haven't found the answer yet Apr 15 01:32:56 I plan on taking mine to Russia, if I can unlock it and buy a Russian SIM Apr 15 01:34:06 according to wikipedia, the gsm pre is quad band voice and 850/1900, 900/2100 umts Apr 15 01:34:14 ok, thx for your help Apr 15 01:34:22 so, it is umts? Apr 15 01:34:33 * PatrickC_Pre2 hasn't check to confirm, didn't think it was Apr 15 01:34:38 I figured it was locked... Apr 15 01:35:46 unfortunately, wiki doesnt list the umts frequency used in russia Apr 15 01:35:54 so cant confirm Apr 15 01:36:17 and who knows what ATT does to their phones Apr 15 01:36:27 usually locked down solid Apr 15 01:37:23 russian gsm is 900 and 1800 Apr 15 01:37:55 but are those the 3g frequency bands? Apr 15 01:39:24 it looks like 900 is the mainly used voice band Apr 15 01:39:32 I don't really hold out any hope of getting 3g data over there Apr 15 01:39:39 i have no experience with the gsm pre, im just going off wiki Apr 15 01:39:54 well, they don't have a smartphone with 3g now, so they won't miss it :p Apr 15 01:40:03 brb Apr 15 01:40:55 haha good point Apr 15 01:41:44 hmm, for 3g I'd need 2100 Apr 15 01:41:48 looks like the pre can handle this Apr 15 01:42:04 might need to metadoctor my phone for all to be well, but I was going to do the 2.1.0 upgrade anyway Apr 15 01:42:20 will that be enough unlock it as well, I wonder Apr 15 01:42:27 *enough to Apr 15 01:42:50 no idea, maybe someone with firsthand knowledge can chime in Apr 15 01:43:10 I might need to actually make a forum account for this question Apr 15 01:43:13 haven't done that yet Apr 15 01:43:16 i wonder if the lock is affected by updating the modem firmware during doctor Apr 15 01:43:31 yeah, that's what I'm wondering as well Apr 15 01:44:05 sort of hoping that doing the whole 2.1 metadoctor/doctor process will take care of the firmware for me Apr 15 01:44:15 since the doctor being used is one from an unlocked European phone, iirc Apr 15 01:44:31 by default, doctor forces a modem firmware update Apr 15 01:45:15 sometimes I want to answer people who say "mobile is the future" with "mobile is %^@^ing confusing" Apr 15 01:45:25 lol Apr 15 01:45:44 too true Apr 15 01:45:45 I hate the modem/baseband side of things Apr 15 01:45:58 and that telcos are involved Apr 15 01:45:59 but do you pine for your old bag phone? Apr 15 01:46:06 my father in law does lmao Apr 15 01:46:55 naw, I just hate telcos Apr 15 01:47:38 these wonderful devices are tied to one of the most evil industries on the planet, lol Apr 15 01:47:54 pretty much everyone in the US that doesnt get FIOS or equivlant service does Apr 15 01:49:12 anyway, I'm out for a bit. ttyl - PatrickC_Pre2 , I'll let you know if I find out anything about getting at&t pre+s onto other gsm networks Apr 15 01:49:38 vz customer service isnt that bad as long as their departments dont have communication breakdown Apr 15 01:56:11 th3void: i agree, VZW has decent support Apr 15 01:57:03 only when there isnt coms breakdown as i said Apr 15 01:57:40 when i first got fios, i was without internet for almost a month because "their computer lost my install appointment" Apr 15 01:58:24 also, doing IT work for small businesses, it really gets to me when they pull the same sort of thing Apr 15 01:58:39 i mean, its one thing to make excuses to a home user Apr 15 01:59:25 but when you have a business (with multiple phones lines, usually paying more than $300 a month to vz) the same sort of excuses are really ridiculus Apr 15 02:00:13 and they spam call you wanting to "review your account" Apr 15 02:00:52 they have called me at home several times, wanting me to get fios when i already have it Apr 15 02:01:23 but you CANNOT BEAT the service Apr 15 02:01:42 99.9999% uptime at 35/35 Apr 15 02:01:53 crystal clear voice and tv Apr 15 02:02:10 one box for all services with built in battery backup Apr 15 02:02:50 its a case of an excellent product hampered by big corporation BS Apr 15 02:03:32 sprint on the other hand gets an A++ in my book for customer service Apr 15 02:04:18 but their product isnt as good Apr 15 02:08:56 sprint rocks (once they get the pre3) Apr 15 02:09:28 nuttybunny: any experience making a AT&T pre+ an unlocked one to use pay-as-u-go? Apr 15 02:15:27 anyone else read about the blackberry playbook? it seems to have alot of features pioneered by webos Apr 15 02:16:01 the anandtech article is written by a pre user, its good stuff Apr 15 02:16:30 http://www.anandtech.com/show/4266/blackberry-playbook-review Apr 15 02:25:12 th3void: sounds like they rushed its release. they'd better get their act together or they're screwed. Wired is comparing them to Nokia in terms of struggling to maintain their relevancy and adapt to the world of ios and android. Apr 15 02:25:16 and webos of course ;) Apr 15 02:25:44 Engadget is drawing the comparison to Nokia too Apr 15 02:25:56 there's a lot of features that the Playbook is launching without that are kind of killer Apr 15 02:26:07 well sure, but from what ive read so far of this rather lengthy article, it has HUGE potential Apr 15 02:26:37 yeah, but so did... Symbian! Apr 15 02:26:40 at the very least, its not just another "me too android ftw" product Apr 15 02:27:48 it avoids that just by virtue of not being an Android device Apr 15 02:28:13 heh Apr 15 02:28:52 but the whole like... No messaging, no calendar, no email thing Apr 15 02:28:54 kind of sucks Apr 15 02:29:28 thats putting it politely Apr 15 02:29:59 it limits their userbase to only people who currently have RIM devices Apr 15 02:30:11 which i will admit is a pretty big base Apr 15 02:30:30 yo yo, wut up Apr 15 02:30:32 oooh ouch Apr 15 02:30:42 that sunspider score isnt so hot Apr 15 02:31:12 I think if this playbook doesn't sell well, it will be bad Apr 15 02:31:53 their OS needs a serious refresh, IMO Apr 15 02:32:07 Well, yes, generally things that sell well are good, things that aren't are bad :p Apr 15 02:32:14 QNX is that refresh Apr 15 02:32:32 well, does QNX have something killer about it not on anything else? Apr 15 02:32:42 SineOt: right. it'll be interesting to see how they parlay that to a smaller form facter Apr 15 02:32:42 but it won't end up on the phones until like 2014 Apr 15 02:32:46 I heard good things, but I think the playbook was a little rush Apr 15 02:33:05 when was the first time we heard about the playbook? october? Apr 15 02:33:19 like actually seen it I should say Apr 15 02:33:39 I don't know much about QNX, just that it's pretty heavily used and supposed to be fast Apr 15 02:33:44 the big problem from my personal viewpoint is i just dont see the buying justification for tablets Apr 15 02:33:59 i have a pre and my asus ul30 laptop Apr 15 02:34:04 I do, but the tablets have to do something really awesome to get that justification Apr 15 02:34:13 so maybe im a corner case Apr 15 02:34:17 I think the Playbook is really the only to hit that "something awesome" Apr 15 02:34:37 tablets to me are awesome travel companions. light weight. Apr 15 02:34:45 but spending $500+ on a tablet when my laptop costs $800 and my phone costs $100? Apr 15 02:34:49 if you love playing with your phone in bed or on the sofa and want to do more, tablet Apr 15 02:35:02 and its closer to a phone than a laptop Apr 15 02:35:15 i use my laptop for sofa/bed Apr 15 02:35:39 basically, tablets fill some void between a laptop and a phone Apr 15 02:35:52 and naturally works a whole hell of a lot better if it's fitting into a closed system :p Apr 15 02:35:53 probably lasts longer on battery for browsing than most tablets too Apr 15 02:36:16 the Playbook kind of took that fit into a closed system thing a little too far Apr 15 02:36:23 and it plays games on my 1080p tv thru hdmi Apr 15 02:36:30 the key thing is the way you interact with your laptop and tablet Apr 15 02:36:33 what with needing a Blackberry to get calendar and crap Apr 15 02:36:44 the laptop keyboard takes space and feels comfy only in certain position Apr 15 02:36:51 the tablet is much more flexible to have Apr 15 02:37:13 but yes, it's a niche, but growing. people are finding things to do just to have one. almost like justifying their want for it Apr 15 02:37:37 bnceo`: lol consumerism Apr 15 02:37:49 yup. I studied this stuff =) Apr 15 02:38:10 yay. my fixed Sprint Pixi is here! Apr 15 02:38:18 then again I think I wouldn't mind a tablet because my "laptop" usage is... a netbook Apr 15 02:38:20 nice Apr 15 02:38:26 that's basically a tablet with a keyboard on it Apr 15 02:38:33 waiting on the tools I need to finally do this Sprint Pixi Plus (vzw pixi arrived yesterday) Apr 15 02:38:35 and if I could lose the keyboard, it'd be even nicer to have :p Apr 15 02:38:47 inspiron duo? Apr 15 02:38:55 Naw, Wind U100 Apr 15 02:39:00 no lol Apr 15 02:39:03 oh Apr 15 02:39:05 I'm tempted to buy an HP Mini just to do a hackintosh on it Apr 15 02:39:13 that comes close but it kind of failsss on a number of levels Apr 15 02:39:19 the inspiron duo converts netbook>tablet Apr 15 02:39:36 The Transformer tablet thing does the whole netbook>tablet thing better than the Duo does :p Apr 15 02:39:40 ... and costs less Apr 15 02:39:52 which one is that Apr 15 02:40:05 * phil_bw wanders by Apr 15 02:40:26 i liked that lenovo one back at ces i think where the tablet was detatchable Apr 15 02:40:50 it's basically that Apr 15 02:41:02 http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Pad_Transformer_TF101/ Apr 15 02:41:47 not quite, the lenovo one had x86 in the base and arm in the tablet Apr 15 02:42:48 Yeah, but you can get the Transformer with the keyboard dock comes to like... 549? I think? Apr 15 02:42:49 any of you savvy with making mode switcher modes? I have a bit of a stumper of a configuration i'd like to set up Apr 15 02:45:48 what do you want to do, NickNick? Apr 15 02:46:06 http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/05/lenovo-ideapad-u1-hybrid-hands-on-and-impressions/ Apr 15 02:46:20 that beauty right there Apr 15 02:46:51 SineOt: i want to change my device security settings while i'm at work only so i have no pin unlock. I also want to turn off my wifi when the screen goes to the screenlock state to conserve battery. Apr 15 02:46:52 yeah but for me, I'm all for that price performance sweet spot Apr 15 02:47:25 Well, for wifi? You can do that stock by going into the Wifi app and turning it to off while sleeping Apr 15 02:47:53 Buuuuuuut depending on your signal area, using wifi might be saving you more battery than running it off the cellular radio Apr 15 02:47:58 unless you turn data off as well Apr 15 02:48:00 SineOt: problem is i have a sleep issue. sometimes apps keep it awake Apr 15 02:48:11 i never use cell data, i'm on a 150mb plan Apr 15 02:48:41 this is turning into a rube-goldberg mode :) Apr 15 02:48:55 what apps keep it awake? Apr 15 02:49:29 why would javascript be so much faster in 2.1 than 1.4.5? Apr 15 02:49:36 anything that i know uses data, like forums, battery monitor with graphing turned on Apr 15 02:50:21 2.0 has a newer build of webkit's javascript engine Apr 15 02:50:40 I think it moved over from... uh, Turbo Squirrel Fish or whatever to V8 Apr 15 02:52:03 I just wish they'd bring the newer Webkit builds over too :p Apr 15 02:52:12 I want my 3D CSS transforms Apr 15 02:52:19 * th3void wants a turbo squirrel fish! Apr 15 02:54:33 wow the ipad2 browser is really fast Apr 15 02:55:06 ill chalk some of it down to nothing running in the background Apr 15 02:55:06 yup Apr 15 02:55:26 well, it's still fast regardless Apr 15 02:55:31 yep Apr 15 02:55:35 they do some pretty crazy stuff with WebKit Apr 15 02:56:02 I have Sprint Airrave, so EVDO on full bars is more than worthy. Except for maybe DLing podcasts Apr 15 02:56:32 yeah, it runs fast with a ton of stuff in the BG Apr 15 02:56:54 however, apps in BG on iOS are not active. They are frozen in time and don't use CPU power Apr 15 02:57:07 well, some are like music players Apr 15 02:57:12 yeah Apr 15 02:57:20 webOS does similar I think after a certain point Apr 15 02:57:27 I'm not positive though Apr 15 02:58:37 airrave? Apr 15 02:58:44 ya. it's a femtocell Apr 15 02:59:10 free cause in my apt, I sometimes get Roaming. Even though I'm 4-5 blocks from WIMAX Apr 15 02:59:30 i got 24xx down 310 up on my sprint pre+ Apr 15 02:59:48 at home **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 15 02:59:57 2011