**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 15 02:59:57 2011 Apr 15 03:00:22 but i get roaming at the office sometimes Apr 15 03:01:10 I have it worse Apr 15 03:01:12 yeah we have terrible coverage at the house Apr 15 03:01:17 I'm roaming 1x on 1 bar in the office Apr 15 03:01:28 but everytime I call about the airraves they have no idea about the 3G one Apr 15 03:01:34 they need to put a cell tower so bad near my job Apr 15 03:01:52 I waved the fact that I'm an 11 year customer and went to retentions Apr 15 03:02:03 lol Apr 15 03:02:11 not to mention it helps for my contract to be up in June Apr 15 03:02:37 I do have a spare Airrave, but not the 3G one Apr 15 03:02:48 willing to sell it Apr 15 03:02:49 theres a 2g one? Apr 15 03:02:53 yup Apr 15 03:02:59 yup, there's one that does only 1X Apr 15 03:03:07 and then an updated Samsung one that does 3G Apr 15 03:03:11 http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SCS-26UC Apr 15 03:03:19 wtf google Apr 15 03:03:31 no no. the 3G one is from Airnava Apr 15 03:03:35 how do i turn off the damn preview shit Apr 15 03:03:38 oh, that's right Apr 15 03:03:46 the Samsung one is the 1X? Apr 15 03:03:53 yes Apr 15 03:05:52 you would think the telcos would be pushing for femtocells everywhere Apr 15 03:07:26 hmm Apr 15 03:07:38 well, AT&T is infamous for being a bitch about it Apr 15 03:07:52 TMobiel has embraced it I believe Apr 15 03:08:06 spritn is embracing it silently. you call and can get one for free Apr 15 03:08:12 yeah, why bother laying out that much hardware and cost when you can just do one tower and make people deal with shitty coverage Apr 15 03:08:14 att is a bitch about anything that might thraten their profit margin Apr 15 03:08:34 my buddy is on AT&T and constantly goes over 2GB and hates it Apr 15 03:08:51 only on it cause our building gets AT&T only cause of the building penetration Apr 15 03:08:54 lol data caps Apr 15 03:09:11 and he hates the iPHone 4. Loves his 3G. and is a techy too. not a laggard or w/e they call it Apr 15 03:09:20 dude has the new macbook pro. just can't stand the iPhone 4 Apr 15 03:11:41 what does he not like about the iPhone 4? Apr 15 03:12:16 he feels he got ripped off because the diff is so minute Apr 15 03:12:44 I believe he also doesn't like the design Apr 15 03:13:58 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190521909979&hlp=false&rvr_id=225139947212&crlp=1_263602_304652&UA=%3F*O%3F&GUID=4631d5bb12e0a5a910f65796ffed1334&itemid=190521909979&ff4=263602_304652 LOL Apr 15 03:14:46 whaaatttt :p Apr 15 03:14:49 very sad Apr 15 03:14:52 it's so easy to get it Apr 15 03:14:54 the jump from the 3GS to the 4 is pretty killer Apr 15 03:14:58 you just have to know how to speak like a consumer Apr 15 03:15:05 especially with the screen resolution bump Apr 15 03:15:07 well bnceo i guess your info is worth $2 Apr 15 03:15:08 an informed one. consumerist.com style Apr 15 03:15:25 if you want to pay me, donate to the channel owners. haha Apr 15 03:15:30 lool Apr 15 03:16:19 maybe after my taxes come back Apr 15 03:16:45 I got owned on taxes Apr 15 03:17:03 1/2 yeard living in NJ and working in NY. then moved to MD and work in MD. such a complicated mess Apr 15 03:17:13 ended up owing NY like $150 bucks. ugh Apr 15 03:17:56 im getting back more than i paid in Apr 15 03:18:19 * halfhalo didn't pay anythang Apr 15 03:18:54 did you not work? Apr 15 03:18:55 I have to figure out how to make sure I pay nothing. because in effect, the gov is holding my $$ and I get no interest on it Apr 15 03:19:16 rather owe nothing and get nothing. that's the perfect way to go about it Apr 15 03:20:23 i would feel guilty about it, except our gov is in too much of a clusterfuck for me to care Apr 15 03:21:27 its not like i sit on my ass and do nothing, squandering away my monthly check on junk within 3 days Apr 15 03:22:11 haha Apr 15 03:22:20 I think my gf feels she has a gadget freak Apr 15 03:22:30 uhoh Apr 15 03:22:45 especially after I have 5 mobile devices (4 palm, 1 ipod touch) Apr 15 03:23:29 tell her ur a lightweight Apr 15 03:23:59 some of the people over on pocketables have 20+ devices Apr 15 03:24:02 she does Apr 15 03:24:07 will be hard to convince when I add a Pre3, veer, and touchpad to the arsenal Apr 15 03:24:24 oil, my favorite passenger Apr 15 03:24:28 lol Apr 15 03:26:03 ok. back to Palm talk. I know about the video for making Sprint Pixi plus. But is there a wiki tutorial of sort? both the hardware and software? Apr 15 03:26:45 question: why the pixi? Apr 15 03:27:51 I want to try it Apr 15 03:28:15 and after I play with it for a while, give it to my cousin who has a sprint pixi and is busted due to children (who thankfully have gotten older and more mature) Apr 15 03:28:30 but I want to make a spritn pixi with wifi. that's my thing Apr 15 03:28:46 i could understand it if the pre was $200 and the pixi was $100 or less Apr 15 03:28:51 Consider it me testing the waters before I work on a harder conversion known as the FrankenPre Apr 15 03:29:54 frankenpre? Apr 15 03:30:09 Sprint Pre commboard on a pre2 Apr 15 03:30:14 so i can get a Sprint Pre2 Apr 15 03:30:32 i thought that had already been done Apr 15 03:30:39 it had Apr 15 03:30:42 I just want to do it Apr 15 03:30:46 lol ok Apr 15 03:30:48 personal goal. Apr 15 03:31:27 first foray into mobile hardware modification. I do very well on PC builds and such. But being I'm a palm fan, and a big advocate of the stuff done in this very channel, I want to expand my knowledge Apr 15 03:31:34 i did that right off the bat, got a vz plus and a sprint pre and swapped them Apr 15 03:31:48 I would just for the clickier keyboard Apr 15 03:32:16 i've never done it but i think you just need to swap the wifi board over Apr 15 03:32:35 believe me. if I had someone who can do it for me within an hour away, I would drive and watch it get done Apr 15 03:32:41 lol Apr 15 03:32:51 * oil is a lot further then that Apr 15 03:32:52 yeah oil. That's basically it. HW wise. Software wise is where Imma need some help Apr 15 03:33:01 i think it just works Apr 15 03:33:09 but i could be wrong Apr 15 03:34:00 I think something with the tokens or w/e Apr 15 03:34:47 well if you have ever disassembled laptops before, you should be ok with phones Apr 15 03:35:07 I did one keyboard swap on a laptop Apr 15 03:35:16 it was a dell, so it was pretty easy Apr 15 03:35:20 yes, you would need a token for the wifi MAC address Apr 15 03:35:26 tried on a Sony and boy do they do complicated laptops Apr 15 03:36:08 do you know how to do a token dump? Apr 15 03:36:42 I believe you have to DL the system properties app Apr 15 03:36:53 and run the castle.xml file and email it to yourself Apr 15 03:37:20 could be wrong. But a nice tutorial would be great for this =) Apr 15 03:37:29 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/259077-pre-plus-sprint-step-step-conversion-guide.html Apr 15 03:37:48 this will have some helpful info Apr 15 03:37:57 the pixi is diff cause the cell radio is buried Apr 15 03:38:21 so I would have to take the board with the wifi and the flash card off the vzw pixi and put it onto the sprint pixi Apr 15 03:38:41 that's all I know. the link has been bookmarked. 1000 thank you very muches Apr 15 03:38:47 ok but this shows you how to get the tokens and put them in metadoctor etc Apr 15 03:41:17 there is (or was) a way to do it without linux, using cygwin, but that guide is pretty easy to follow and you get to learn some things about linux Apr 15 03:42:24 and when you are all done with metadoctor, you might get that neckbeard feeling of accomplishment. it is good Apr 15 03:46:16 sweet im getting my replacement psu soon Apr 15 03:47:25 I had that feeling when I put 2.1 on my Sprint Pre classic Apr 15 03:47:37 now if only apple stock would stop its freefall, id be a very happy man Apr 15 03:47:39 did it with the scripts and cygwin and felt awesome doing it Apr 15 03:47:49 what PSU you got? Apr 15 03:47:50 or getting Apr 15 03:48:18 http://www.arctic.ac/en/p/cooling/spare-parts/344/550t-eco-80-psu-with-plastic-housing-full-range-silentium-t-series.html?c=2208 Apr 15 03:49:13 never seen a PSU like that before Apr 15 03:49:17 for this case: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=PC-ST2E-AC-01&cat=CAS Apr 15 03:49:35 nice case Apr 15 03:50:00 its a standard atx style board on the inside, but the cables are alot shorter Apr 15 03:50:20 its for my new office build Apr 15 03:53:22 awesome Apr 15 03:56:10 i felt it was past time to replace the 1ghz duron Apr 15 03:58:16 haha. yup Apr 15 04:16:27 hi guise Apr 15 04:17:35 anyone here? Apr 15 04:17:55 108 users currently Apr 15 04:18:05 ultimatetrolling.gif Apr 15 04:18:43 back to 4chan with you Apr 15 04:18:48 :-P Apr 15 04:18:51 lol Apr 15 04:19:34 U hyst wanted to pick some brains regarding the 'frankenpre' if anyone was up to it. Apr 15 04:19:56 one sec, somethign is pegging my cpu Apr 15 04:20:08 sure. hyts=just Apr 15 04:21:13 lol chapura sync manager Apr 15 04:21:30 so whats the question Apr 15 04:22:03 From what I understand this project is 'easier' with a gsm version of the pre2 rather then a vzw version Apr 15 04:23:40 why does it have to be frankenpre? why cant it just be sprint pre2? Apr 15 04:24:21 folks Apr 15 04:24:25 potatoe potatoe? I just started reading today. I had used the pre back during the launch days and just had grown tired of Android and saw this just trying to piece things together. Apr 15 04:25:07 the pre 2 is just a pre+ with a die shrink and better camera Apr 15 04:25:14 hardware wise Apr 15 04:25:33 when you say die shrink what exactly does that mean... I was under the impression that the pre2 had a faster processor. Apr 15 04:26:02 it does Apr 15 04:26:17 it uses the omap 36xx series, which is the same as the 34xx series in the pre, but on a 45nm process instead of 65nm Apr 15 04:26:36 the pre2 comes default clocked at 1ghz Apr 15 04:26:46 If i understand that correctly the 45nm is more efficient clock for clock as well. Apr 15 04:27:08 but a pre+ overclocked to 1ghz would have the same performance, hardware wise Apr 15 04:27:40 you answererd my next question before i asked it thank you. Realistically I wouldn't notice a difference between the two. Apr 15 04:28:04 all the differences would be in the webos versions Apr 15 04:28:38 From what I had read the unlocked pre2 would theoretically be able to receive ota once everything was configured correctly. Apr 15 04:29:00 I just want to kill time till the pre3 comes out so i suppose the pre+ would be the smarter choice. Apr 15 04:29:21 at least the less expensive choice Apr 15 04:29:32 Again is it better/easier with an unlocked gsm version rather then the vzw version? Apr 15 04:29:35 thanks th3void Apr 15 04:29:43 i have no idea for the pre2 Apr 15 04:29:53 what are you personally using? Apr 15 04:30:06 but for the pre+ it doesnt matter very much Apr 15 04:30:16 I see I misread the answre long day for me. Apr 15 04:30:32 ive read some people saying the antennas are different, but you can swap those over too Apr 15 04:30:54 i have a pre+ on sprint and a pre on vzw Apr 15 04:31:15 Your pre+ is vzw or gsm? Apr 15 04:31:21 vzw Apr 15 04:31:25 thanks sir. Apr 15 04:31:33 the vzw ones tend to be cheaper Apr 15 04:31:59 you can find them on ebay for ~110 in excellent condition Apr 15 04:31:59 Yeah I have seen that. This is capable of running the newest software as well correct? Apr 15 04:32:33 oh wow a few hundred dollars cheaper. Apr 15 04:32:36 * NuttyBunny dances Apr 15 04:33:08 there are several people that run webos 2.1 on the pre+, but 1.4.5 also runs most things Apr 15 04:36:50 th3void: I really appreciate your time you have given me some things to think about. Apr 15 04:40:34 M4X: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/259077-pre-plus-sprint-step-step-conversion-guide.html Apr 15 04:41:28 I think that the pre+ would be the smarter choice given the tiem frame I am looking to do this and this is perfect thank you very much once again. Apr 15 04:41:36 did he finally get it backed up nutty? Apr 15 04:44:41 quckinstall? Apr 15 04:44:44 oops Apr 15 04:50:54 i can't find a qickinstall download... i feel retarded Apr 15 04:56:38 lockvar: He seems to be doing the backup as we speak Apr 15 04:59:49 with any luck he'll have success this time Apr 15 05:19:48 th3void: 36xx is much more than a 34xx die shrink. processor and memory pipelines are more efficient Apr 15 05:20:03 hay rwhitby-pre Apr 15 05:25:39 swisstomcat: catrub? Apr 15 05:41:10 does anyone know off-handedly the cpu in the pre+? Apr 15 05:41:29 i can't find it on palms site nor wikipedia Apr 15 05:41:31 rwhitby-away: According to TI, each OMAP36x chip is architecturally identical to its OMAP34xx predecessor, but the top model, the OMAP3640, now clocks at 1GHz, compared to the OMAP3440's 800MHz clock speed. Also, each of the new SoCs now supports cameras up to 12 megapixels, whereas the OMAP3410 and OMAP3420 only support three- and five-megapixel cameras, respectively. Apr 15 05:41:51 http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/TI-dieshrinks-OMAP3/ Apr 15 05:42:02 th3void: ftw Apr 15 05:44:06 the pre+ uses the same cpu as the pre- Apr 15 05:44:17 oh Apr 15 05:44:32 i believe its the 3430 Apr 15 05:45:15 what do you have your pre+ clocked at? Apr 15 05:46:39 usually stock Apr 15 05:47:01 i get lost in synthetics sometimes.... thanks again for your help. Apr 15 05:48:31 im still trying to figure out the overclock settings in govnah, but most things run fine at stock speed Apr 15 05:48:57 some webpages will load faster, and javascript will run faster Apr 15 05:49:52 on a side note what is your opinion of android? Apr 15 05:50:06 just for the sake of picking your brain thanks again for your help. Apr 15 05:50:08 never used it, dont want to Apr 15 05:50:25 its not nearly as elegant i can tell you that. Apr 15 05:51:45 i try to stay away from google stuff as a matter of principle, which is very off topic and possibly politically offensive Apr 15 05:53:17 haha they are watching for sure. Apr 15 05:54:14 morning Apr 15 05:54:20 as is palm, all modern phone operating systems phone home from time to time with statistical information. Apr 15 05:54:41 unless you disable it in metadoctor Apr 15 05:55:13 th3void: thanks again i am off to bed. I'll be in to bother you guise tomorrow. Apr 15 05:55:20 haha Apr 15 05:55:55 lockvar: do you consider blackberry a modern os? Apr 15 05:58:20 its still a relevant smartphone os, as is symbian Apr 15 05:59:05 what im getting at is, are you including bbos in the phoning home category? Apr 15 06:00:28 th3void: are you saying that bbos does not? Apr 15 06:00:32 you are able to disable google analytics tracking as well, yes bbos's messaging service is constantly phoning home. hence the whole ordeal in the news the other day Apr 15 06:02:58 i have no idea either way, but i would think with all the enterprise usage security etc that it wouldnt Apr 15 06:03:09 incorrect Apr 15 06:03:15 and wtf do i keep getting disconnected Apr 15 06:03:48 i guess its time to use a real irc client instead of opera Apr 15 06:03:53 http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Asked-on-India--BlackBerry-CEO-walks-out-of-TV-show/776361/ Apr 15 06:05:05 its pretty well known that blackberry gives full access to their 'secure' messaging service to several governments Apr 15 06:06:27 i remember the brouhaha about....i believe dubai? or UAE? a few months ago wanting monitoring of BB Apr 15 06:07:32 yes, however the co-ceo just recently did a bbc interview and walked off the set when he was cornered with the question Apr 15 06:07:57 yep just read it Apr 15 06:09:17 its in the best interest of all commerically driven platforms to at the very least periodically obtain statistical data and logs from their software Apr 15 06:10:01 honestly some of it helps with resolving bug issues Apr 15 06:12:09 poor japan Apr 15 06:13:14 effen greed and power Apr 15 06:13:36 not the people lol Apr 15 06:14:28 fukushima is worse than chernobyl because its right on the coast of an island, instead of in the middle of bumfuck nowhere Apr 15 06:14:39 yeah...it all frustrates me...i live upwind of the same brand nuke facility Apr 15 06:15:38 ..and for greed and power, they push safety aside Apr 15 06:16:29 it seems alot of people hate japan for world war 2, but fail to realize how they have continued their quest for dominance Apr 15 06:17:32 that's new to me...seems people don't really remember japan had a connection to ww2 Apr 15 06:17:45 but maybe education in my part of the world is poor :) Apr 15 06:18:47 coast of an island is probably a better place to have a nuclear disaster than the middle of a lnad locked area :p Apr 15 06:18:54 there's one thing the ocean is great at Apr 15 06:19:02 and that's absorbing and dispersing stuff Apr 15 06:19:40 what oil spill in the gulf? Apr 15 06:19:46 there was an oil spill? Apr 15 06:20:21 ask BP Apr 15 06:20:23 the one that dispersed over a massive area? P: Apr 15 06:20:44 obama cured the oil spill :) Apr 15 06:22:34 lolol Apr 15 06:22:57 and it was bush's fault, anyways Apr 15 06:23:02 :-P Apr 15 06:23:34 yes of course Apr 15 06:23:40 just pay off environmental agencies so they can continue to survive and legislate against farmers using their land because there was a wet spring which made some soggy fields that are now classified as wetlands. so unusable for building or agriculture. Apr 15 06:23:45 or at least the terrorists Apr 15 06:25:38 nah, just pay farmers more than 10x what their land is worth to put in wind turbines Apr 15 06:26:07 with a giant gov subsidy Apr 15 06:26:35 Offshore wind farms are the way to go, but sadly, beach front property owners tend to also be rich property owners who take "not in my back yard" to the extreme Apr 15 06:27:04 wind turbines that take years to offset the amount of waste needed to manufacture Apr 15 06:27:27 i like cow patties Apr 15 06:27:32 natural gas Apr 15 06:27:36 right from the cow Apr 15 06:27:41 then get milk Apr 15 06:27:48 because you know how those wind turbines are only going to be standing for a year..? :I Apr 15 06:27:49 why pay for farm land when theres hundreds of thousands of acres of desert Apr 15 06:28:59 because noone cares about the desert Apr 15 06:29:11 wind farms? Apr 15 06:29:17 solar farms? Apr 15 06:29:51 its just like the gay movement: its not enough for them to live their lives how they want, they arent happy unless they bury the worlds face in it Apr 15 06:30:08 oh god what Apr 15 06:30:42 lol Apr 15 06:31:51 uh oh, might have struck a nerve. Apr 15 06:32:34 thats what movements are all about Apr 15 06:32:36 preaching Apr 15 06:32:39 SineOt: how long are those priuses on the road before they need a new battery pack? or they are just junked at that point? Apr 15 06:33:18 lockvar: are movements about preaching? Apr 15 06:33:40 dude, live and let live Apr 15 06:33:41 yes, yes they are. Apr 15 06:34:20 i must be unclear what "about" means :) Apr 15 06:34:21 some guy is driving a first gen Prius still, and I think they estimate it's realistically only lost like 15% of its charge capacity Apr 15 06:34:25 so... "a long time" Apr 15 06:34:33 i might think gays are biologically defective, but im not going to stop them from doing what they want Apr 15 06:35:07 for instance, ERA was a movement...but not heard of much these days... Apr 15 06:35:16 preachers became bored? Apr 15 06:35:36 haha my mom still has her "ERA YES" campaign button Apr 15 06:36:12 preachers proved their point Apr 15 06:36:18 point was accepted Apr 15 06:36:23 by the majority Apr 15 06:36:46 but the goal was the preaching...not the acceptance? Apr 15 06:37:10 while i could go on and on about this stuff, its terribly off topic and rwhitby might get upset Apr 15 06:37:14 :I :I :I Apr 15 06:37:24 hehehe Apr 15 06:37:55 uhoh i hope we didnt offend him Apr 15 06:38:18 looked more like exasperation Apr 15 06:38:25 than offense Apr 15 06:39:08 the goal was pushing views onto society, is that not the point of preaching? Apr 15 06:40:12 that's not what i was debating...i understood you to say the goal of the movement was in the preaching...not in the acceptance Apr 15 06:41:27 did you know that some hyundais come with ipads instead of user manuals? Apr 15 06:41:27 well...not instead, since the user manual is on the ipad Apr 15 06:41:27 maybe thats part of why apple isnt "cool" anymore Apr 15 06:41:40 if only webos was "cool" Apr 15 06:41:45 i didn't say the goal was preaching, i said movements are about preaching the acceptance of a particular view is all Apr 15 06:41:59 then i misunderstood you Apr 15 06:42:34 th3vo1d: webOS is cool...it doesn't need to be "cool" unless it wants market share :) Apr 15 06:42:55 exactly, it needs marketshare Apr 15 06:43:09 but for that, it needs mindshare Apr 15 06:43:15 then apple should have bought it :) Apr 15 06:43:17 it needs competitive hardware to back up the great software as well Apr 15 06:43:48 make people believe that they NEED webOS and starbucks to live their lives Apr 15 06:43:58 if hp would get their rears in gear... Apr 15 06:44:32 i don't get the sense that hp has really "bough into" webOS Apr 15 06:44:36 *bought Apr 15 06:44:44 no kidding Apr 15 06:45:00 how much did they pay for palm? Apr 15 06:45:13 if hp would listen to the major complaints voiced on precentral they'd probably get this relaunch of webos off to a good start Apr 15 06:45:31 anyway...time for bed Apr 15 06:45:33 night Apr 15 06:45:47 gestures for touchpad perhaps? Apr 15 06:45:49 yea same really lol Apr 15 06:48:13 im gonna need help tomorrow/this weekend with getting hotsync working Apr 15 06:48:26 later y'all Apr 15 07:22:10 * rwhitby wonders what android, blackberry, fukushima, ww2, wind turbines, priuses, or sexual orientation have to do with the internals of the webOS operating system. Apr 15 07:43:25 rwhitby-away: Many people have speculated that if we knew the answer to that question that we would know a lot more about the nature of the universe than we do now Apr 15 07:55:32 42 Apr 15 08:42:35 hello guys! I need some help about doctoring my pre2 after having fucked up lvm (which I don't no anything about just red the log) Apr 15 08:42:37 "MIGRATION ERROR: failure in preCheck stage" Apr 15 08:43:30 DataPreCheckStage: mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-media on /tmp_media failed: No such file or directory Apr 15 08:51:33 anyhelp ? How do I redo the lvm layout ? Apr 15 09:11:13 * GarthPS needs some help Apr 15 10:02:32 xdcc list Apr 15 10:15:53 can someone give me the name of his lvm VolumeGroup pls? I need to recreat it Apr 15 11:19:18 does someone can give me his lvm.static vgscan out please for a pre2 ? Apr 15 11:21:39 GarthPS: one sec Apr 15 11:29:08 GarthPS: http://pastebin.com/EuTJ7j4Q Apr 15 11:29:16 GarthPS: anything else you need? Apr 15 11:30:34 GarthPS: you can get this info from roadrunner.xml in a Pre 2 doctor Apr 15 11:36:58 rwhitby: thx! which one is mandatory for the doctor ? all ? Apr 15 11:38:52 rwhitby: I don't find any roadrunner.xml in pre2 doctor... Apr 15 11:39:56 GarthPS: then you're not looking hard enough Apr 15 11:43:40 rwhitby: I extracted it and wake a reasear for "roadrunner.xml" Apr 15 11:43:56 rwhitby: and about my previous questions ? Apr 15 11:44:03 which one is mandatory for the doctor ? all ? Apr 15 12:03:27 I have to go . thx u Apr 15 13:00:16 hello! Apr 15 13:00:18 :) Apr 15 15:04:44 http://www.bsod.ro/ some geek quotes before the official opening Apr 15 16:00:13 Hey chuqui :) Apr 15 16:00:23 hey, morning. Apr 15 16:01:00 morning all Apr 15 16:01:16 * halfhalo yawns goodmorning Apr 15 16:01:35 * NuttyBunny falls asleep and drools over the keyboard Apr 15 16:04:03 Ah, great quote: "The box said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed LINUX" Apr 15 16:41:14 Hello, I am in the process of converting a Pre 2 to a FrankenPre 2 on Sprint and I've run in to a problem. Is this the correct place to ask for help? Apr 15 16:45:17 sure Apr 15 16:45:29 but first, what instructions are you following? Apr 15 16:46:01 I have completed all the steps detailed on web-os internals regarding switching the comm boards Apr 15 16:46:47 and I have also followed web-os internals instructions on setting up meta-doctor and running the scripts to create a meta-doctor for the sprint pre 2 Apr 15 16:48:58 the problem I am having is in regards to installing the novacom drivers Apr 15 16:49:16 on what desktop os? Apr 15 16:49:40 Mac OS X 10.6.7 Apr 15 16:50:03 ah ok Apr 15 16:50:19 sorry, can't help (I'm a Win7 PC) Apr 15 16:51:04 I have tried installing the SDK and using Jason Robitaille's stand alone novacom installer and I keep getting an error so my computer won't recognize my phone when I try to doctor it Apr 15 16:51:53 have you tried to put the phone into recovery mode first? Apr 15 16:53:19 yes it is in recovery mode Apr 15 16:53:48 weird.. sorry.. I have no clue Apr 15 16:54:01 its ok.. thanks for trying. Apr 15 16:54:24 can anyone else help please? Apr 15 16:54:54 oil: do you run osx? Apr 15 17:05:02 BearFace712, I found a couple posts in the palm developer forum, but just of people with the same/similar issue. I haven't seen a resolution yet Apr 15 17:07:00 from what i've found so far it seems the problem may be that i have an older version of the drivers installed and running... do you know how to uninstall them? Apr 15 17:07:49 Um... not all that familiar with macos. the most experience I have is with completely removing and reinstalling itunes Apr 15 17:08:46 though I could pull up those instructions for you, might point you in the right place, but it could also really break stuff Apr 15 17:09:42 i think i might have figure it ou Apr 15 17:10:21 I believe if you run the sdk installer, you can remove the entire sdk, novacom and all Apr 15 17:10:31 I unistalled the SDK and that said it included the novacom drivers too so I am going to reboot before I try to reinstall the drivers Apr 15 17:10:56 thanks for the help... I'll be back Apr 15 17:11:10 on windows it usually tells me I have to reboot for it to take effect Apr 15 17:12:02 windows is very very differnt Apr 15 17:12:06 *different Apr 15 17:12:19 I know, but it could be the same on that account Apr 15 17:15:48 has 2.1 been pushed out to the vzw pre2? Apr 15 17:16:12 yes Apr 15 17:16:39 cool Apr 15 17:16:55 I'm listening to a Keith on a PalmCast right now lol Apr 15 17:17:23 thats me Apr 15 17:17:25 i'm everyone keith is Apr 15 17:17:34 (not really) Apr 15 17:17:36 ur not me Apr 15 17:17:41 ;P Apr 15 17:17:54 did the frankenpre2'ing go well? Apr 15 17:19:07 well that didn't help Apr 15 17:19:11 still getting an error Apr 15 17:19:16 :/ Apr 15 17:19:21 sorry.. Apr 15 17:22:09 its ok... i don't understand what the problem is. I had just used this computer to doctore my Pre- back to 1.4.5 before doing the Pre 2 conversion and that worked without a problem. Apr 15 17:22:21 i wonder if you run a linux VM and forward the usb port Apr 15 17:22:28 if that would work Apr 15 17:23:09 any germans in the house? Apr 15 17:23:10 ok thats strange Apr 15 17:23:32 im willing to try it but i'll need instructions on setting that up Apr 15 17:24:07 I'm good at following instructions but I'm not the savviest when it comes to command prompts and VMs or linux Apr 15 17:24:38 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/259077-pre-plus-sprint-step-step-conversion-guide.html this has instructions on setting up the virtual machine Apr 15 17:24:56 im sure someone here could help you with getting the novacom drivers working Apr 15 17:25:02 hrm... I think it is sleepy time there Adora Apr 15 17:25:20 nope 7:30 PM Apr 15 17:25:23 dinner time Apr 15 17:26:07 bbl lunch Apr 15 17:28:00 BearFace712, http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1224 Apr 15 17:28:25 I think I got what I need via twitter Apr 15 17:28:34 that shows the locations for kernel extensions and some other driver stuff. you could check the folders for the outdated novacom? Apr 15 17:29:28 not trying to accuse preware of being related to the german AC issues, but it's weird that there have been ZERO reports of this to our call centers there Apr 15 17:29:37 and people with preware know better than to call customer support Apr 15 17:29:47 so either EVERYONE in germany is using preware, or.... Apr 15 17:30:11 I'm supportive of everyone using preware :) Apr 15 17:30:40 what's the bug Adora? Apr 15 17:31:14 and BearFace712: the meta-doctor wiki page has step-by-step instructions on setting up a Ubuntu VBox Apr 15 17:32:11 ok thank you RagingMind and PatrickC_Pre2 Apr 15 17:32:21 BearFace712, this is a frankenpre2? then it would make sense that old drivers would prevent it from working Apr 15 17:32:45 yes it is... i just have to figure out how to remove the old drivers Apr 15 17:33:12 I suggest digging in the kext folder and just checking some versions Apr 15 17:33:33 with the warning that deleting the wrong thing may prevent your computer from booting Apr 15 17:36:44 i search the HD for "novacom" and it came up with a lot of files many of which havent been used in months... would it by safe to delete most of these files? Apr 15 17:37:36 * phil_bw wanders by Apr 15 17:38:00 BearFace712, careful with moves like that... Apr 15 17:38:02 * phil_bw pages dtzWill Apr 15 17:38:30 and if you have the SDK currently installed then definitely don't delete them or you could really hose the installation Apr 15 17:38:46 thats what i figured... Apr 15 17:39:01 uninstall first, then see what's left over. delete the SDK installer that you have and any other copies lying around, clear your cache directories Apr 15 17:39:38 i uninstalled the SDK in hopes that it would remove novacom which it said it did but after a restart i am still getting the error Apr 15 17:41:03 BearFace712, even though you're trying to get this working with a FrankenPre2, the base hardware is still a pre2 and you could consider contacting palm for help Apr 15 17:42:23 phil_bw: hey man Apr 15 17:42:33 there ya are Apr 15 17:42:38 long time no chat Apr 15 17:42:45 phil_bw: i'm often on, but haven't been able to be useful for webos time-wise for a bit :) Apr 15 17:42:46 indeed! Apr 15 17:42:48 how're things going? :D Apr 15 17:42:59 RagingMind - I don't have another phone around right now to call them on Apr 15 17:43:11 things are good, I haven't been too useful either, having another kid and all Apr 15 17:43:12 do they have online support? Apr 15 17:43:29 anyhow, I'm back to dinkin with xorg and making it mobile friendly Apr 15 17:43:45 I've got a very slick rdp setup with nice panning, very usable Apr 15 17:44:09 though if you do call them you should consider un-franking the pre2 first Apr 15 17:44:25 anyhow, I'm trying to make the orange button a sticky key like shift, sym, and gesture. I can't for the life of me get it to act like a modifier though Apr 15 17:44:27 phil_bw: congrats! :) Apr 15 17:44:32 thanks :) Apr 15 17:44:53 that's b/c iirc orange is handled upstream by SDL Apr 15 17:45:02 'upstream', err the events X gets have the orange applied to it iirc Apr 15 17:45:14 i think? been a while since i dove into that tbh Apr 15 17:45:34 phil_bw: you got the others sticky?? :D Apr 15 17:45:37 well I went to the xkb symbols and basically set the orange key as a modifier key and it halfway worked Apr 15 17:45:49 dtzWill: yeah I use xkbset Apr 15 17:45:52 they have an online forum but it doesn;t seem to get much use Apr 15 17:46:05 yeah, i remember seeing the xkb stuff supporting sticky modifiers Apr 15 17:46:09 does it 'just work' as you'd hope/expect? Apr 15 17:46:27 yeah works perfect for shift, sym, and gesture Apr 15 17:46:36 yeah and those are legit modifiers. Apr 15 17:46:55 hrm. we can always just hack X to track sticky state on orange and translate the keys appropriately. Apr 15 17:47:10 not the best, but at lesat in terms of "how to get it working at all" would suffice. Apr 15 17:47:11 dtzWill, is there some way we can create a preferences pane for changing colour/font for xterm? Apr 15 17:47:28 ka6sox-work: sure, it's just gonna be using .Xdefaults and such, no? Apr 15 17:47:34 well xkbset works for all modifiers so I've been trying to convince X that the orange is a modifier even if we don't use it properly Apr 15 17:47:55 dtzWill, yup Apr 15 17:48:02 dtzWill: the second code block: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=23921 Apr 15 17:48:13 actually we might not source .Xdefaults and/or might not have appropriate xmodmap/xrdb stuff Apr 15 17:48:34 I have my window manager call the two xkbset lines at startup and it works magically Apr 15 17:48:42 excellent :D Apr 15 17:48:50 wish we could all sit down and iron these things out. Apr 15 17:48:58 various window managers, color preferences for term app Apr 15 17:49:00 lots of work to do! Apr 15 17:49:07 proper modifier support Apr 15 17:49:41 yeah, I still plan on releasing a preconfigured img file with it all working as well as a custom launcher ipk to run it all Apr 15 17:49:45 ..and probably a much longer list than i'm remembering atm Apr 15 17:49:48 * dtzWill nods Apr 15 17:50:29 I actually rdp into my win7 desktop and fire up my treo 755p sim to play old palm games, works perfect :) Apr 15 17:50:32 dtzWill, maybe we should add a section to redmine for coordination of "feature" requests and what needs to be hashed out. Apr 15 17:51:02 I tend to forget :( Apr 15 17:51:03 anyhow, if you think of anything that can get the orange key acting like a modifier let me know Apr 15 17:52:55 phil_bw: my best idea atm is i'd open the x source, figure out how to 'undo' the auto-application of orange in the SDL events (either get events more directly using uinput or whatever, not sure the state of all that or by 'undo'ing the effect of orange), and then manually track orange (and it's sticky state) and apply it by hand as necessary Apr 15 17:53:42 biggest issue there besides small impl effort is that conceivably building such translation tables might require us to know the KIND of keyboard being used Apr 15 17:53:46 hmm... pretty unfamilier territory for me Apr 15 17:53:59 fair enough. i wish i wasn't so busy, this stuff is/was fun! hehe :D Apr 15 17:54:05 ka6sox-away: i rather like your idea. Apr 15 17:54:08 dtzWill, what I'm asking for is positively simple in comparison :( Apr 15 17:54:26 I understand Apr 15 17:54:27 What did I miss? Ah, yes, Adora acussing Preware users for the app catalog thingie ;) Apr 15 17:54:37 ka6sox-away: yes it is. we can possibly add a hotkey or something to launch some options gui that we wrote Apr 15 17:54:43 that includes things like color settings and the like Apr 15 17:54:55 in the short-term, ka6sox-away, does .Xdefaults work? don't know that i spent the time to verify/find out Apr 15 17:55:10 dtzWill, I can probably get that done or know someone who can. Apr 15 17:55:16 dtzWill, yup... Apr 15 17:55:31 we would need an app to mod that one file ideally Apr 15 17:55:36 actually fonts are probably limited, not sure. definitely don't ship all those xft fonts, tbh not familiar with how that works to speak on it Apr 15 17:55:39 that would be relatively simple. Apr 15 17:55:54 I was using X and a debian chroot to test GPE. that was mildly interesting Apr 15 17:55:57 i'd imagine so. mostly making it usable nice gui--something i'm terrible at (have you SEEN vba/supernes? hahaha) Apr 15 17:56:17 iirc xfonts use alt-+ for sizes but I don't remember. Apr 15 17:56:20 phil_bw: sorry that i don't have a xkb suggestion atm, sorry. Apr 15 17:56:32 phil_bw: maybe we could just trick webos into thinking we're a text input box Apr 15 17:56:35 or something useful like that Apr 15 17:56:46 so that it manages sticky for us--and we 'just' ahve ot visualize that to the user Apr 15 17:56:58 dtzWill, I love playing my snes games ;) Apr 15 17:57:13 in the mean time I could just find that one file and edit it manually via novaterm. Apr 15 17:57:14 wasn't there someone that offered to help with the gui? Apr 15 17:57:15 dtzWill: no prob. I'll keep trying my method as well. basically faking the orange key as an unused modifier Apr 15 17:57:23 that way we know were it is and that it works. Apr 15 17:57:37 honestly i was surprised xterm had any fonts at all, since i didn't add any...but it works (fugly, but shrug) and so it was shipped to testing Apr 15 17:57:47 as part of redmine ness we might wanna hash what it'd take to move this outta testing Apr 15 17:58:12 dtzWill, okay, let me get the sub-project added for xterm. Apr 15 17:58:21 RagingMind: yes, Tibfib iirc, and another person offered graphics whose name is slipping atm Apr 15 17:58:52 ka6sox-away: sure. if you're unfamiliar you can find lots of .Xdefaults online for various color schemes and the like :) Apr 15 17:59:23 dtzWill, I had to do this like 10yrs ago and I'm sure its different now. Apr 15 17:59:29 ka6sox-away: probably not ;) Apr 15 17:59:30 :P Apr 15 17:59:37 (i have no idea) Apr 15 17:59:44 RagingMind: glad you like snes goodness :D Apr 15 17:59:45 my first "embedded" linux project was a kiosk. Apr 15 17:59:48 me too, why it exists ;) Apr 15 18:00:12 phil_bw: sounds great. thanks for the effort, glad someone's pushing this forward :D Apr 15 18:00:32 anyway i gotta run off to work and the rest of my day x.x Apr 15 18:00:45 ka6sox-away: ping me or something if/when you get the sub-project, no hurry of course but just lemme know please :D Apr 15 18:00:47 I doubt xterm has changed much in 10 years Apr 15 18:00:56 i'll try to do an organized braindump or somethig :) Apr 15 18:00:56 RagingMind, it appears to be working now. It turns out I was using the 1.4.5 SDK for some reason... after I downloaded 2.1 SDK it uninstalled older versions and now im good to go. Not sure how I ended up downloading the 1.4.5 SDK since I followed all links on web-os internals page but shit happens Apr 15 18:01:03 dtzWill, will do. Apr 15 18:01:04 thanks for the help Apr 15 18:01:14 I don't think I have ops there on that redmine. Apr 15 18:01:32 phil_bw: thanks again (even if you're not doing it for me, hehe), and GL with the other things going on in your life as well! ^.^ Apr 15 18:01:41 cya guys take care. sorry can't stick around :( Apr 15 18:01:42 o/ Apr 15 18:01:49 laters dtzWill Apr 15 18:01:54 dtzWill, no prob, if I find a working solution I'll probably contact you about making an update to the package in preware Apr 15 18:02:00 later dtzWill Apr 15 18:02:09 sounds good. the packaging atm needs some...good ol' "robustification" hehe Apr 15 18:02:19 (still in testing, and pulls in so many packages...) Apr 15 18:02:24 anyway cya :D Apr 15 18:02:29 later Apr 15 18:02:48 laters. Apr 15 18:04:54 Ok - so I have an application that I am in the process of developing on my device. At some point when I was installing or uninstalling it something broke, so now the version in software manager isn't correct. Apr 15 18:05:22 pretty sure we need accelerometer support as well, and to figure out how to make this all work nicely on future devices Apr 15 18:05:29 I tried deleting it and reinstalling it, but it still doesn't update the number. Any ideas? Apr 15 18:05:35 also the pixi, heh x.x Apr 15 18:06:42 sooo many projects, sooo little time Apr 15 18:27:47 dtzWill: what's that the doesn't work nicely on future devices? the X thing? Apr 15 18:28:15 destinal: oh yeah, that's what i was saying. although there is the problem of the other misc apps, heh Apr 15 18:28:33 destinal: X mostly wouldn't work due to hardcoded resolution, >_> Apr 15 18:29:03 probably fixed easily--bunch of this was done just to get it off the ground :) Apr 15 18:29:05 ah, yeah, should definitely do the get resolution call or whatever it is. X is going to be (IMO) far more important on tablets Apr 15 18:29:47 phones, apps that aren't designed for small screens kind of suffer, but the touchpad's going to be awesome for running straight ports / builds of linux X apps Apr 15 18:30:25 I need to hurry up and get my custom fvwm setup to the masses. Makes using X on a small screen delightful :) Apr 15 18:32:20 touchpad may even be beefy enough to run firefox straight out. regardless though I think we also need something like dual boot for the touchpad so if people want to run a dedicated tablet linux they can do that too Apr 15 18:33:34 I've actually used firefox via rdp to my win7 system and it worked quite smoothly. Seems like overkill I know but really it's quite efficient since my laptop is doing the hard work. Apr 15 18:37:07 I effectively run rdp at 690x926 resolution which is quite managable really. Apr 15 18:45:44 anyone in here with 2.1 on a legacy device? Apr 15 18:47:55 I thought you had 2.1 on a legacy device Apr 15 18:48:08 technically I think I do still have that though Apr 15 18:48:29 I do, I was gonna ask someone a question to see if they experience something too Apr 15 18:49:19 well I've only been using the pre2 daily for about a week now Apr 15 18:49:46 did your pre- have 2.1? Apr 15 18:50:25 it's a plus but yet Apr 15 18:50:27 yes Apr 15 18:51:11 ok, when sliding the slider to unlock it, did it ever lag like 5-6 seconds before it actually turned the screen on? Apr 15 18:51:45 not that long no Apr 15 18:52:00 I usually use the power button to light it up though Apr 15 18:52:43 ok, its weird, with mine it can take upwards of 5 seconds to turn the screen on from a slider unlock Apr 15 18:52:48 and I'm OCing to 1.1 Apr 15 18:53:04 screenstate? Apr 15 18:53:16 yrep Apr 15 18:53:19 yep* Apr 15 18:53:23 i've never had that Apr 15 18:53:26 what's your off setting? Apr 15 18:53:30 but sometimes i cant unlock the slider Apr 15 18:53:45 500MHz Apr 15 18:53:50 odd Apr 15 18:54:02 keith: what do you mean by that? Apr 15 18:54:19 meaning you turn the display on Apr 15 18:54:25 and theres a lock icon you need to slide up Apr 15 18:54:28 and you cant. Apr 15 18:54:31 so you miss a call Apr 15 18:54:39 the lock refuses to slide. Apr 15 18:54:41 my dad experiences that too Apr 15 18:54:47 hate that. Apr 15 18:54:50 I haven't yet Apr 15 18:54:57 lucky Apr 15 18:55:05 we need official 2.1 on sprint Apr 15 18:55:12 yeah I've never seen that Apr 15 18:55:15 good luck lol Apr 15 18:55:17 I've also doctored like 3 times with 2.1 Apr 15 18:55:35 I'm talking Pre3 wise (well, it'll be 2.2/2.3 by then) Apr 15 18:55:39 :) Apr 15 18:55:50 any luck with sdk and vbox4 anyone? Apr 15 18:57:02 i couldnt even get the emulator set up in windows lol Apr 15 18:57:10 made me feel dumb Apr 15 18:57:14 why not? lol Apr 15 18:57:23 i have no idea how to make it run Apr 15 18:57:33 i even tried running it in virtualbox Apr 15 18:58:02 go to the "Palm webOS SDK" folder and click on the "Emulator" shortcut in there Apr 15 18:58:08 yea Apr 15 18:58:36 it didn't work? Apr 15 18:58:40 what vbox version? Apr 15 18:58:45 LOL now it works Apr 15 18:58:47 i would be amazed if sprint got the pre3 Apr 15 18:58:53 it sure doesnt seem like they are. Apr 15 18:59:15 if they don't, byebye sprint Apr 15 18:59:21 keith, and what insider information are you basing that on? Apr 15 18:59:27 to be fair only the verizon one has leaked Apr 15 18:59:35 cryptk: who said i was? Apr 15 18:59:35 because AFAIK no carrier has stated they will or will not be getting the pre3 Apr 15 18:59:36 no statements anywhere about carriers Apr 15 18:59:40 i never said i had insider info Apr 15 18:59:48 sprint has publicly stated no new webos devices in the pipeline Apr 15 18:59:54 has denounced webos as a platform, etc. Apr 15 19:00:05 that can always change Apr 15 19:00:12 you have to remember, they are a business Apr 15 19:00:24 if they can get the phones for the right price, and can sell them for the right price Apr 15 19:00:25 i work for a telco. i've worked for other carriers. Apr 15 19:00:26 then they will Apr 15 19:00:44 pre3 is not in the sprint pipeline for a summer release. Apr 15 19:00:45 that said, I won't be surprised if they don't carry it either Apr 15 19:01:01 but thats why i said, i'd be amazed Apr 15 19:01:14 so you have no insider info, but you know what is in and what isn't in sprints pipeline Apr 15 19:01:14 thatd be as odd as a cdma veer. Apr 15 19:01:28 as i said, sprint announced it. Apr 15 19:01:31 public stated. Apr 15 19:01:34 when and where? Apr 15 19:01:40 that is something I must have missed Apr 15 19:02:10 you dont remember when precentral posted this and webos users blew up sprints facebook page? Apr 15 19:02:11 and if that is the case, then I will likely be porting my number to a carrier that has it, as long as it isn't AT&T Apr 15 19:02:23 nope, I have been out of the loop because of work for a while Apr 15 19:02:40 well cryptk, that pretty much leaves vzw Apr 15 19:03:00 yep, and I am really hoping that vzw network doesn't get over congested with iPhones Apr 15 19:03:17 we've seen leaked pics of a verizon pre3 Apr 15 19:03:19 and a att pre3. Apr 15 19:03:35 and, just like palm stated, an att veer. Apr 15 19:04:01 yep, I knew att was getting the veer Apr 15 19:04:03 I saw that one Apr 15 19:04:20 the 9th event stated only hspa+ Apr 15 19:04:25 I saw ruby get tripped up on that one :p Apr 15 19:04:25 on veer Apr 15 19:04:53 plus i highly doubt they coulda fit a cdma chipset that small ayways Apr 15 19:05:00 w/ everything else in it. Apr 15 19:05:01 well my laptop battery is at 100% but the webos emulator says 69% Apr 15 19:05:18 perhaps the cdma board could be magnetically attached? lol Apr 15 19:05:24 haha Apr 15 19:05:31 hehe Apr 15 19:05:35 th3vo1d, the emulator battery always reports 69% Apr 15 19:05:43 oh how funny Apr 15 19:05:55 it does? Apr 15 19:05:56 there are emulator tools that you can use to change it Apr 15 19:05:58 yes Apr 15 19:06:04 when it first boots it is at 69% Apr 15 19:06:12 unless you use the emulator tools to change it Apr 15 19:06:16 I've never noticed that :p Apr 15 19:06:27 same tools that you can use to simulate things like a signal strength change etc Apr 15 19:06:52 ah Apr 15 19:06:57 I'll try here, more people seem to be talking... db8 can only take JSON objects, correct? Apr 15 19:07:09 how do i close an app? Apr 15 19:07:22 click the "esc" button Apr 15 19:07:26 I believe Apr 15 19:07:27 I think spacebar or ESC puts it to card view Apr 15 19:07:34 and then use the mouse to drag it off Apr 15 19:07:48 cool Apr 15 19:07:58 now i want to try 2.1 emulator Apr 15 19:08:05 then download it? Apr 15 19:08:13 do i need to uninstall 1.4.5 first? Apr 15 19:08:17 zinge: how'd the vid go? Apr 15 19:08:22 nope, you shouldn't Apr 15 19:08:26 kk Apr 15 19:08:39 PatrickC_Pre2: Its in final cut, waiting for me to finish cutting and upload it Apr 15 19:08:58 PatrickC_Pre2: Just been a bit busy this week. Apr 15 19:09:01 it'll take a while to download I believe, depending on what internet speed you have Apr 15 19:09:13 zinge: cool can't wait! Apr 15 19:10:40 what is this a vid of? Apr 15 19:10:51 * PatrickC_Pre2 thinks he found a way to find where Exhibition lies Apr 15 19:11:07 zinge made a video of himself making a frankenpre2 Apr 15 19:11:12 nice Apr 15 19:11:19 yep Apr 15 19:11:25 zinge, when you have it ready, send me a copy, I will throw it on a server for you Apr 15 19:11:38 I'm firing up the emu to look for Exhibition Apr 15 19:11:51 I can use Novabrowser for the emu, right? Apr 15 19:11:53 I just figured I'd put it on youtube, but that works , thanks. Apr 15 19:12:01 well, either way Apr 15 19:12:07 youtube would probably be better Apr 15 19:12:32 where are default apps stored? Apr 15 19:12:42 nm I found them Apr 15 19:12:46 same place as all the apps Apr 15 19:13:26 they aren't in /media/cryptofs/ Apr 15 19:16:14 hmm palm://com.palm.display/control/ Apr 15 19:17:10 its only 204mb Apr 15 19:17:31 what is your dl speed? Apr 15 19:17:39 it's over 900 Apr 15 19:17:43 800kb/s Apr 15 19:18:01 i guess i take fast internet for granted lol Apr 15 19:18:01 wow.. I'm on 3mb, and it takes about 12 min to dl Apr 15 19:18:22 its taking 4 minutes Apr 15 19:18:34 * PatrickC_Pre2 wishes he knew where palm://com.palm.display/control/ was Apr 15 19:19:25 what is the command to make it search an entire folder in novacom? Apr 15 19:19:37 this is on the slow dsl at work, i get 35/35 at home Apr 15 19:19:38 nuttybunny: ping Apr 15 19:19:47 hey Apr 15 19:19:50 find /path/to/place/to/search/in -name "filename" Apr 15 19:20:04 if you only know part of the name, you can us wildcards also Apr 15 19:20:12 like -name "*something*" Apr 15 19:20:37 try find / -name "com.palm.display" Apr 15 19:20:42 there's locate too if that's installed :) Apr 15 19:20:43 that will search the whole phone for it Apr 15 19:20:53 if it's installed and the db is up to date Apr 15 19:20:59 indeed Apr 15 19:21:19 searching Apr 15 19:21:26 thx cryptk Apr 15 19:21:53 it found nothing :/ Apr 15 19:21:58 I know on most distros there is a cron job to update it daily, but I am not sure if they would run that on a phone Apr 15 19:22:05 locate? or find? Apr 15 19:22:10 find Apr 15 19:22:17 it didn't show it in the cmd line Apr 15 19:22:27 well, it may be coded into luna Apr 15 19:22:29 locate is the one that runs on most distros (slocate) Apr 15 19:22:47 yes NuttyBunny we already mentioned that, lol Apr 15 19:22:49 i believe it is nlocate these days Apr 15 19:23:13 mlocate Apr 15 19:23:14 hmmm. will that find command work in windows cmd line? Apr 15 19:23:18 but you should have a symlink Apr 15 19:23:26 or even something set with linux alternatives Apr 15 19:23:30 ahh...mlocate, ye Apr 15 19:23:31 s Apr 15 19:23:32 nope Apr 15 19:23:34 ./var/preferences/com.palm.display/prefsDB.sl Apr 15 19:23:56 yeah, if you are on windows, then I have no clue, but it works on linux systems Apr 15 19:24:15 nuttybunny: I don't see that in the novabrowser Apr 15 19:24:30 find works...but differently in windows Apr 15 19:24:47 PatrickC_Pre2: It's here on my Plus Apr 15 19:25:38 hmm Apr 15 19:25:44 PatrickC_Pre2, unpack the root filesystem from a doctor on your computer then do a search for file contents Apr 15 19:25:54 that's what I'm doing :) Apr 15 19:26:41 I unpacked my pre2 doctor, and I'm not seeing /var/preferences/ Apr 15 19:27:39 in lots of linux distros stuff in var is created on-demand or as-used Apr 15 19:29:02 mmm... yes, var isn't in the main rootfs in the doctors Apr 15 19:29:20 it gets flashed in a different step while the Doctor runs Apr 15 19:30:27 thanks, found it on my pre2 Apr 15 19:30:41 sqlite3 prefsDB.sl Apr 15 19:30:51 sqlite> select * from data; Apr 15 19:30:51 timeout|{ "timeout": 180 } Apr 15 19:30:51 maximumBrightness|{ "maximumBrightness": 11 } Apr 15 19:31:00 maybe it's only in 2.x Apr 15 19:31:04 how do I edit a file like that? Apr 15 19:31:16 sql queries :D Apr 15 19:31:28 lol, I'm still new to this :) Apr 15 19:31:40 is there a texteditor I can use? Apr 15 19:31:56 mmm... look for a "sqlite editor" Apr 15 19:32:20 I think there was even a firefox extension for that Apr 15 19:32:43 well, my ff version doesn't even have google toolbar :D Apr 15 19:33:11 kudos for that! I HATE external toolbars Apr 15 19:33:23 I like google toolbar Apr 15 19:33:25 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sqlite-manager/ Apr 15 19:33:41 I hate it... "this page seems to be in xxx language, translate it?" Apr 15 19:33:55 thx Apr 15 19:34:07 I loved ubiquity, too bad they dropped support for it in 4.x :( Apr 15 19:34:36 firefox....pfft Apr 15 19:34:44 its the new IE Apr 15 19:34:57 naaa its all Nightly Apr 15 19:35:16 i like ff4 a lot Apr 15 19:35:22 its popular, bloated, memory leaking and slow Apr 15 19:35:35 ie is the new firefox Apr 15 19:35:52 super fast Apr 15 19:35:54 ie is still popular, bloated, memory leaking and slow Apr 15 19:35:55 Nightly is the new IE Apr 15 19:36:30 to run ie at "super fast" speeds, you need a "super fast" machine, to run firefox at a nice speed you can use any machine Apr 15 19:37:21 or you can use opera and run 10 tabs fine on a 1ghz duron Apr 15 19:37:26 but to be honest, i have yet to find the killer browser Apr 15 19:37:30 sineot: I found exhibition (possibly) Apr 15 19:37:38 oh? where's it hiding? Apr 15 19:37:39 talking browsers I see Apr 15 19:37:39 undrwater: try nightly Apr 15 19:37:46 possibly yes Apr 15 19:37:56 I did the unthinkable and switched to IE9... Apr 15 19:37:56 Webkit Nightly supremacy Apr 15 19:38:01 PatrickC_Pre2: OS agnostic? Apr 15 19:38:08 uses about half the resources of firefox on my system Apr 15 19:38:12 Nightly is webkit? Apr 15 19:38:20 undrwater: what?? lol Apr 15 19:38:30 PatrickC_Pre2: will run on any OS Apr 15 19:39:08 yes Apr 15 19:39:13 [ Results for search key : nightly Apr 15 19:39:20 [ Applications found : 0 ] Apr 15 19:39:27 http://nightly.mozilla.org Apr 15 19:39:44 Nightly is a term for anything that gets built, y'know, nightly, PatrickC_Pre2 Apr 15 19:39:45 oh...means that :) Apr 15 19:40:03 no, the browsers name is Nightly Apr 15 19:40:08 is FF6 Apr 15 19:40:15 browser's name is firefox Apr 15 19:40:23 Nightly Apr 15 19:40:24 nightly is the build Apr 15 19:40:25 No, it's Firefox Nightly Apr 15 19:40:30 ...lol Apr 15 19:40:31 I'll send a screenshot Apr 15 19:40:34 lol o wow Apr 15 19:40:38 at least that's what you linked me to Apr 15 19:40:53 unless you're talking about something completely different :) Apr 15 19:41:04 it's PatrickC_Pre2 being PatrickC_Pre2 Apr 15 19:41:07 this is almost like /g/ browser threads Apr 15 19:41:32 1 second Apr 15 19:41:40 * phil_bw can't wait Apr 15 19:41:48 * undrwater is waiting for the point and laugh Apr 15 19:41:53 * NuttyBunny just read "bowser threads" Apr 15 19:42:30 http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee477/patrickc14/Capture.png Apr 15 19:43:33 pssssttttt, PatrickC_Pre2 Apr 15 19:43:41 it's still Firefox regardless of what it says Apr 15 19:43:42 yes? Apr 15 19:44:05 its a different version, yes, but the browsers name is Nightly Apr 15 19:44:11 it used to be Minefield Apr 15 19:44:22 iceweasel Apr 15 19:44:34 PatrickC_Home: so...it's no longer firefox?? Apr 15 19:44:38 that's not the name so much as it is a internal code name to ID what it is for people who don't know better Apr 15 19:44:59 like snow leopard or froyo Apr 15 19:45:02 it is an x64 version, and the beta version Apr 15 19:45:12 PatrickC_Home, there's an extension to firefox that can randomize it's name to just about anything Apr 15 19:45:22 that doesn't mean it's a different browser Apr 15 19:45:43 its the beta/x64 browser Apr 15 19:46:05 its the beta/x64 FIREFOX browser Apr 15 19:46:16 named: nightly Apr 15 19:46:22 you are partially correct Apr 15 19:47:07 I remember when firefox was pheonix Apr 15 19:47:24 heck... I remember installing netscape 4.7 Apr 15 19:47:36 PatrickC_: http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-20054123-12.html Apr 15 19:47:39 sineot: nuttybunny found it Apr 15 19:48:02 maybe it was 4.07 Apr 15 19:49:00 still a sad day when IE works better than Firefox, never thought I'd see that day Apr 15 19:49:43 * PatrickC_Pre2 is shocked Apr 15 19:50:09 Firefox has kind of wallowed for a long time in retarded internet politicking Apr 15 19:50:45 I love firefox... for the first 24-48 hours that I have it open Apr 15 19:50:59 * Loudergood is an obsessive closer Apr 15 19:51:12 why would i use Aurora, when Nightly is 6.x beta and Aurora is 5.x beta Apr 15 19:51:42 nightly will never be a beta Apr 15 19:52:10 i keep more than 20 tabs open at all times in opera and it still doesnt use more than 1gb of memory Apr 15 19:52:30 or gobs of cpu power needlessly Apr 15 19:52:32 PatrickC_Home, nightly is just the newest code compiled every night Apr 15 19:52:37 yeah opera/IE seem to be the only ones that have the memory use thing under control Apr 15 19:52:43 with all the improvements, and all regressions/bugs Apr 15 19:52:47 in fact, its the most stable browser ive ever used Apr 15 19:52:54 it's version number is meaningless Apr 15 19:52:58 and there can be some nasty regression bugs in nightly Apr 15 19:53:06 Nightly is alpha, that's pretty much it Apr 15 19:53:39 it's not even alpha... cause that implies a kind of release Apr 15 19:53:49 an alpha can be a planned release, nightly is a script that fires off and builds every 24 hours Apr 15 19:55:02 to me alpha means a planned release, nightly is auto-generated... no plan or human being saying "this snapshot of code should be distributed and tested" Apr 15 19:55:07 yep 55 tabs open, and opera.exe is using 592,376k Apr 15 19:55:43 wow really? Apr 15 19:55:44 RagingMind: some call it "autobuild" which makes more sense to me :) Apr 15 19:55:58 opera is a pretty solid browser Apr 15 19:56:43 the only thing i wish it had was a way for me to see how much resources each tab is using Apr 15 19:56:52 i just wish it supported the extensions i use Apr 15 19:57:01 undrwater, autobuild sounds better. I just pulled whatever came out of my fingers first :) Apr 15 19:57:02 because sometimes a webpage decides to peg a cpu core Apr 15 19:57:41 above all, I wish the browser makers would STOP MAKING THEM SO DAMN MINIMAL Apr 15 19:57:53 I like my menu bar thank you very much Apr 15 19:57:59 haha Apr 15 19:58:07 as long as they keep the option I'm ok with it Apr 15 19:58:19 opera started that one and everyone copied it Apr 15 19:58:28 * Loudergood still uses a bookmarks toolbar Apr 15 19:58:47 though I've delete the names of all the sites and set them to show the favicon Apr 15 19:58:57 thankfully, they have retained the option of regular toolbars Apr 15 20:00:18 I also like the forward, back, home, refresh, etc buttons to be happily next to each other, not all strewn about Apr 15 20:00:42 haha yes indeed Apr 15 20:00:55 I will admit I got used to the hidden menubar though Apr 15 20:01:22 what extensions do you use, keith? Apr 15 20:01:30 times are changin' I must be getting old Apr 15 20:02:12 sabconnect++, nzbstatus Apr 15 20:02:15 looks like lastpass is ported Apr 15 20:02:22 you mean you havent memorized all the keyboard shortcuts, phil? Apr 15 20:02:23 thats mainly it Apr 15 20:02:33 also opera already is pinwheeling Apr 15 20:02:35 :( Apr 15 20:02:43 * keith forcequits Apr 15 20:03:02 phil_bw: i have felt that way since facebook...i still don't understand it Apr 15 20:03:13 phil_bw: or twitter for that matter Apr 15 20:03:23 twitter is basically irc Apr 15 20:03:30 its group txt msging meets irc Apr 15 20:03:39 and instead of channels, its people. Apr 15 20:03:48 I rarely use facebook, mainly on my phone Apr 15 20:04:03 I load it up on the computer and I get overwhelmed Apr 15 20:04:09 :) Apr 15 20:04:10 email and fb and twitter have all migrated to my phone Apr 15 20:04:26 im in 30 irc channels on 4 nets Apr 15 20:04:27 i hear ppl talk about it and i don't understand...even when they show me Apr 15 20:04:33 use twitter and fb fairly religiously too Apr 15 20:04:43 i dont see how any chat medium can overwhelm :) Apr 15 20:04:46 "look, my friend just "checked in" here...see...that way i know she's here Apr 15 20:04:57 http://img855.imageshack.us/i/firefoxdi.png/ that's how I have firefox setup Apr 15 20:05:07 undrwater: if youre social that stuff is great Apr 15 20:05:21 if i wanna know how this concert i am going to is going, i will check twitter/foursquare Apr 15 20:05:34 and msg people 'hows the line? how bad are they searching?' Apr 15 20:05:35 etc etc Apr 15 20:05:54 new app cat photo? Apr 15 20:06:10 by overwhelmed I mean I was just trying to upload some photos and couldn't figure out how... Apr 15 20:06:16 my friends call me when they've arrived :) Apr 15 20:06:27 loudergood: what OS is that? Apr 15 20:06:41 windows 7 Apr 15 20:07:04 why does it look weird where it says "nightly" Apr 15 20:07:19 weird? Apr 15 20:07:27 mine looks nothing like that Apr 15 20:07:41 are you on XP? Apr 15 20:08:37 win7 x64 Apr 15 20:08:53 ill upload a image Apr 15 20:09:32 http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee477/patrickc14/Untitled.png Apr 15 20:10:30 ah, you have the old menubar Apr 15 20:10:45 right click to the right of help Apr 15 20:10:49 and uncheck it ;) Apr 15 20:11:01 thats awesome! lol Apr 15 20:11:22 actually opening that right click menu and clicking customize is my favorite Apr 15 20:11:31 you can then drag stuff all over the place Apr 15 20:11:53 cool Apr 15 20:12:07 what theme are u using? Apr 15 20:12:40 default Apr 15 20:12:53 just checked the small icons box Apr 15 20:13:11 oh, and you dont have the bookmarks bar or the tab bar Apr 15 20:13:13 and dragged stuff around Apr 15 20:13:32 I didn't have any other tabs open Apr 15 20:13:52 my tabs bar is always visible, no matter if its one tab, or 100 Apr 15 20:14:02 that's an option too Apr 15 20:14:05 <3 firefox Apr 15 20:14:20 and that row of icons IS my bookmarks bar Apr 15 20:14:48 well..what's left of it Apr 15 20:16:18 my nightly now -> http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee477/patrickc14/Untitled2.png Apr 15 20:17:32 http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/15/video-garage-fire-claims-chevy-volt-and-homebuilt-ev/ Apr 15 20:17:43 holy smokes Apr 15 20:20:58 sineot: you still here? Apr 15 20:21:12 yup Apr 15 20:22:30 the exhibition file is at /var/preferences/com.palm.display/ Apr 15 20:25:08 is that where the exhibition shut down is? Apr 15 20:25:15 er Apr 15 20:25:21 exhibition shutdown? Apr 15 20:25:25 accellerometers Apr 15 20:26:10 not sure, its a sqlite file, and i dont know how to view/edit properly Apr 15 20:30:33 cool -> http://shop2.sprint.com/NASApp/onlinestore/en/Action/OSBrowseAccessoriesDetail?categoryRefName=Chargers+%26+Batteries&PHONE_ID=PALM100HK&selectedAccessoryID=PGU2300R_C&topPageNumber=0&subPageNumber=0 Apr 15 20:32:47 so what's better than having a full linux xorg desktop environment running in a window on your pre? why having two of them running side by side :) Apr 15 20:33:50 or having a full linux distro running as a card on your pre :) Apr 15 20:34:41 that's what I'm doing Apr 15 20:34:46 only twice Apr 15 20:34:49 :) Apr 15 20:34:56 what distro???? Apr 15 20:35:22 debian Apr 15 20:35:51 how hard?? Apr 15 20:36:05 heh Apr 15 20:36:15 that easy? ;) Apr 15 20:36:36 it's all easy if you know what you're doing Apr 15 20:36:46 PatrickC_Pre2, the only think in my display prefs file is the brightness Apr 15 20:36:49 *thing Apr 15 20:36:55 * PatrickC_Pre2 doesn't know what he's doing... ever.. lol Apr 15 20:37:18 RagingMind: that's all I saw too, but I was using a FF addon to see that Apr 15 20:40:16 ya know this 1ghz sprint pre sure can hold it's own. at 500mhz I could barely run one xserver, at 1ghz I'm running 2 seamlessly Apr 15 20:42:53 it does, I _have_ to use a pretty big compcache Apr 15 20:43:25 I run one x server and the GPE palmtop environment (from debian chroot) just fine on my pre+ with stock kernel Apr 15 20:43:55 GPE? is that what I used to use on my zaurus? Apr 15 20:44:32 no clue, but it's in debian and was something for me to try Apr 15 20:44:46 debian is all kinds of fun on a pre Apr 15 20:44:54 yeah, the handheld thinger Apr 15 20:45:07 sometimes I install massive packages just to see if they'll work Apr 15 20:45:14 hah Apr 15 20:45:23 are the instructions on the wiki? Apr 15 20:45:25 when OpenOffice worked I about passed out Apr 15 20:45:35 what does debian on a pre get you that using terminal/optware wouldn't? Apr 15 20:45:38 OOO worked?? Apr 15 20:45:41 the instructions are somewhere... not sure Apr 15 20:45:51 yeah, didn't you watch my video? Apr 15 20:46:02 it was on precentral, engadget, etc Apr 15 20:46:03 summatusmentis, all of the debian repository of packages :) Apr 15 20:46:04 oh yeah.. I did lol Apr 15 20:46:13 pre-built and ready to run Apr 15 20:46:23 yep Apr 15 20:46:26 exactly Apr 15 20:46:32 you've got to love debian for that Apr 15 20:46:37 RagingMind: I mean, yes, but... is that good? what do you need out of there? Apr 15 20:46:41 sooo many platforms Apr 15 20:46:44 apt-get install -the skys the limit- Apr 15 20:46:59 or is it more for the fun? Apr 15 20:47:07 now if there was a way to link webos location services to gpsd... then we could use all the regular linux tools for mapping and stuff Apr 15 20:47:22 hm... Apr 15 20:47:32 see, that's what I was just wondering about, there's stuff that debian would get me, but I'd have to only use it in debian Apr 15 20:47:53 which woul mean any of the stuff in webos that I want to interact with it won't Apr 15 20:47:57 there's lots of stuff that I haven't played with yet, but it opens the door for lots of software Apr 15 20:48:34 ? Apr 15 20:48:56 I interact with webos stuff in debian all the time Apr 15 20:49:21 have an app info file open in a text editor right now Apr 15 20:49:37 just have to mount -bind what you need Apr 15 20:50:18 phil_bw: so... I could, for example, mount a network filesystem in debian, and use Internalz Pro to browse it? Apr 15 20:51:07 OK! Now I'm in the mood to recompile the plugins again, this time exactly with everything Greg uses. wish me luck!!! Apr 15 20:51:21 quite easily actually Apr 15 20:51:23 as long as the network file system didn't depend on kernel stuff Apr 15 20:51:43 NuttyBunny: Good Luck!!! Apr 15 20:51:54 * PatrickC_Pre2 would like a beta when its done ;) Apr 15 20:51:55 RagingMind: oh, which this one does Apr 15 20:52:17 NuttyBunny: what are you building? Apr 15 20:52:23 it's debain run time stuff but still with the running palm kernel Apr 15 20:52:29 a messaging plugin Apr 15 20:52:32 but theres uber kernel too :) Apr 15 20:52:44 so there's hope for including other kernel modules Apr 15 20:52:48 summatusnemtis: Greg Roll's messaging plugins, they keep crashing on me :@ Apr 15 20:53:10 oh wow... that's insane Apr 15 20:53:11 but when the individual files are used, it works :) Apr 15 20:53:20 I've been downclocked to 500mhz this whole time Apr 15 20:53:27 if I pair a gps to my phone (which it lets me do, just doesn't do anything useful) how would I access that data? Apr 15 20:53:35 compcache and whatnot's been keeping me afloat Apr 15 20:53:45 RagingMind: what brand GPS? Apr 15 20:53:50 RagingMind: so, it seems like in my specific case, there's no major benefit to the debian packages, because I'd need to build the kernel module for webOS anyway Apr 15 20:53:57 just cranked it to 1ghz and now the two desktops are speeding along Apr 15 20:54:04 hehe Apr 15 20:54:08 PatrickC_Pre2, any generic bluetooth gps Apr 15 20:54:42 summatusmentis, well I'm sure there are other possibilities with debian, but for that one specific goal... probably Apr 15 20:55:03 RagingMind: Would this help? https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/services/bluetooth.html Apr 15 20:55:21 RagingMind: sure, interesting Apr 15 20:55:36 idk about any others Apr 15 20:55:43 RagingMind: I know you talk with most GPS via a serial interface (9600 baud), so it may work Apr 15 20:55:43 NuttyBunny, if it ever loads I'm sure it would, AND if I knew how to program :) Apr 15 20:55:51 Oh.. :) Apr 15 20:56:03 nuttybunny will do all the programming for you :) Apr 15 20:56:34 I haven't even finished my pending apps :( Apr 15 20:56:47 man.. what are they?? Apr 15 20:56:57 RagingMind: fwiw, I'm interested in AFS on the pre. Someone in the community has compiled it, but that sounds hard Apr 15 22:13:47 * bnceo slaps NuttyBunny Apr 15 22:15:26 morning Apr 15 22:15:46 morning rwhitby Apr 15 22:16:07 buenos dias Apr 15 22:17:09 stupid janiux@gmail.com... Apr 15 22:18:12 And.. downloading the video, just in case Apr 15 22:18:39 good Apr 15 22:18:43 yup. good Apr 15 22:29:16 video makes the touchpad look pretty choppy Apr 15 22:29:50 emulator probably isn't hardware accelerated Apr 15 22:30:11 he is gonna hopefully get the BAN HAMMER Apr 15 23:15:32 #webos Apr 15 23:22:37 anyone migrated an app from mojo to enyo? Apr 15 23:24:20 even if someone did, they couldnt say Apr 15 23:24:25 Enyo is still under NDA Apr 15 23:27:44 ah that tight of an NDA eh? Apr 15 23:28:32 First rule of NDA, dont talk about NDA :) Apr 15 23:28:54 i hear, the fact of being under NDA/Early Access Program, is NDA Apr 15 23:28:58 I just was curious as to how difficult it was to maintain two code bases.... since obviously one would probably need to do this for a while... there being so many pre 2.xx palms out there Apr 15 23:35:34 i suppose i ought to just sign up for the early access program and find out for myself. Apr 15 23:35:47 that would be a good idea :) Apr 16 00:41:03 has anyone actually "fried" their phone with an OC Kernel? Apr 16 00:44:36 no Apr 16 00:45:06 hmm.. could it easily happen? Apr 16 00:45:10 no Apr 16 00:45:26 well unless you do something really stupid Apr 16 00:45:32 * PatrickC_Pre2 wonders how fast his Pre2 can run... Apr 16 00:45:32 like plug it into 220 Apr 16 00:45:45 2.5GHz here I come!!! :D Apr 16 00:45:49 run downhill with it in your pocket Apr 16 00:46:11 how cool would it be to have a phone running at 2.5GHz Apr 16 00:46:22 it wont run cool Apr 16 00:46:28 lol Apr 16 00:46:53 I wonder if 1.5GHz is possible (1.4GHz is) Apr 16 00:46:56 why dont you supply the liquid nitro, a donor pre2 and i'll find out Apr 16 00:47:17 hmm, or I could find out, if you told me Apr 16 00:47:25 source is avail Apr 16 00:47:39 go ahead and play with it. git.webos-internals.org Apr 16 00:47:45 go wild Apr 16 00:47:49 I know, I'm gonna check it out later.. I want to try to get at least to 1.5GHz Apr 16 00:47:56 I will :) Apr 16 00:48:28 step 1) overclock. Apr 16 00:48:34 step 2) announce Apr 16 00:48:38 step 3) profit Apr 16 00:48:54 I'll do some testing in here first (once I get it working on my phone) Apr 16 00:49:10 what is a target temp that I should try to stay at? Apr 16 00:54:17 if I do make a kernel, where/how do I submit it? Apr 16 00:59:05 get it working first and then make the uImage available for memboot testing Apr 16 00:59:40 memboot testing? don't you just have to install it like the F104 kernel? Apr 16 01:01:35 * NuttyBunny gets some popcorn, puts some over PatrickC's Pre 2 for cooking Apr 16 01:02:35 should I learn how to memboot first, or would a doctor fix anything I break? Apr 16 01:03:38 you should learn how to build the kernel, then memboot, no need to doctor, as you'll test via memboot :D Apr 16 01:04:51 can't I install it like I install the ones in preware? Apr 16 01:04:54 lol, Apr 16 01:06:31 speaking of, whats the fastest someone has goten a pre+? Apr 16 01:07:30 1.2GHz I believe Apr 16 01:08:06 thats it? Apr 16 01:08:06 yup I'm pretty sure 1.2 but not sure if it's different with 2.x Pre+ Apr 16 01:08:21 ill have to putmy waterblock on it Apr 16 01:08:28 LOL that was alot like a few months ago Apr 16 01:09:21 Hello Apr 16 01:09:36 Anyone want Trade Palm Pre 2 for something Apr 16 01:09:48 500 to 1ghz is common, but 1.2ghz is max? Apr 16 01:10:25 I believe Apr 16 01:10:35 SonnyDickson: I give you a Pre minus and a Pre Plus for yout Pre 2 (can even throw a P910) Apr 16 01:10:43 the pre2 is 1.4 max I believe (I'm gonna try to change that) Apr 16 01:11:06 I will trade my broken Handspring Visor Neo for the pre2 Apr 16 01:11:10 LOL Apr 16 01:11:46 Naw I won't I still love my first palm shattered as it might be Apr 16 01:11:58 Back Apr 16 01:13:44 is govnah for 2.x only supposed to have 1 default govner? everytime I dr & reinstall it that's all I have. Apr 16 01:13:53 I'm selling my Palm Pre 2 to save up for the Macbook Air 11.7 and buy a Palm Pixi Plus Apr 16 01:13:57 11.6 Apr 16 01:14:27 O_o you're trading a pre2 for a pixi+? Apr 16 01:14:35 Yeah Apr 16 01:14:46 O_o Apr 16 01:15:08 I Want buy a Macbook Air but i want keep working with WebOS Apr 16 01:15:14 Even if the Pixi+ won't ever pass beyond webOS 1.4.5? Apr 16 01:15:19 So i getting a Palm Pixi Plus from ebay for like $60 Apr 16 01:15:47 but a Macbook is like 1000 or so isn't it? Apr 16 01:15:47 There should be hack out there that can make it run 2.0 Apr 16 01:16:01 out there there kinda is Apr 16 01:16:09 The Palm Pre 2 Plus i get like $700 for it Apr 16 01:16:15 Palm Pre 2 Apr 16 01:16:22 - $700 Apr 16 01:16:47 good luck with that Apr 16 01:17:05 thats carrier msrp wishful thinking brand new pricing Apr 16 01:17:08 ??, Therer are selling for that much Apr 16 01:17:23 It in Brand New came from Palm for Free Apr 16 01:17:31 ?? GSM Apr 16 01:17:33 they are selling for about $300 Apr 16 01:17:35 Yes Unlock Apr 16 01:17:46 i'm in Australia not US Apr 16 01:18:11 Here one at $600 http://cgi.ebay.com.au/BNIB-16GB-HP-PALM-PRE-2-QWERTY-FACTORY-UNLOCKED-GSM-OEM-/120648104822?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item1c172ffb76 Apr 16 01:18:27 I'd say you're gonna get about 400U.S. for it (but prob not from die hards) Apr 16 01:18:55 But i'm in Australia not US there cost more here Apr 16 01:19:07 Palm said there would be no 2.0 for Pixi Apr 16 01:19:08 WebOS is not even out here Apr 16 01:19:18 *they Apr 16 01:19:38 Australia, Palm Pre 1 is not even out in Australia WebOS is Died here Apr 16 01:19:53 in this day and age, when the pre+ is ~$110, $350+ for a die shrink and "better" camera is rather steep Apr 16 01:20:48 Palm Pre 2 $749.00 AU http://www.mobicity.com.au/palm-pre-2.html Apr 16 01:20:59 That is how much there cost in Australia Apr 16 01:21:26 that's a store not a private seller Apr 16 01:21:49 Don't leave out the glass and improved hinge and the number increase and the non-"legacy" status. Apr 16 01:22:07 It only place i no who selling them in Australia there no one in Australia on ebay selling one Apr 16 01:22:58 well, sorry to burst your bubble sonny, but most people here are in the good ol USA, home of palm Apr 16 01:23:14 secondly, its a palm pre, not an iphone Apr 16 01:23:18 yeah, i no that i'm hust saying Apr 16 01:23:26 Just* Apr 16 01:23:35 its not exactly something some idiot will pay an exorbitant amount for Apr 16 01:24:10 in Australia there are LOL I got this Palm Pre 2 from Palm in Developer Program Apr 16 01:25:27 we're not trying to bust your balls, we're just suggesting a slight downturn in your Optimism Apr 16 01:25:51 ok Apr 16 01:25:55 SonnyDickson_: Can we see the link to your app? Apr 16 01:26:11 There no Apps out yet at this time Apr 16 01:26:40 but you plan on creating them on a Pixi? Apr 16 01:26:48 Maybe idk Apr 16 01:27:05 great... Apr 16 01:27:43 so : Apr 16 01:27:43 1. get palm developer free phone Apr 16 01:27:43 2. dont develop anything on it Apr 16 01:27:43 3. pofrit? Apr 16 01:27:53 profit* Apr 16 01:27:59 You left out the ???. Apr 16 01:28:06 he... Palm giving away $500 worth phones to non-devs, and other devs get nothing :S Apr 16 01:28:29 My guess is it'd end up looking more like: Apr 16 01:28:33 Bah, I'd better return to my dev stuff Apr 16 01:28:37 1. Apply to early access program. Apr 16 01:28:44 2. Never get a reply Apr 16 01:28:48 3. ??? Apr 16 01:28:52 4. Profit! Apr 16 01:29:03 * PatrickC_Pre2 needs to learn how to make a custom kernel Apr 16 01:29:09 sigh Apr 16 01:29:50 SonnyDickson_: I don't think that's what the developer device program is for Apr 16 01:30:02 ok Apr 16 01:30:13 so, when developing for the pre, is a phone actually needed except for final testing? isnt that what the emulator is for? Apr 16 01:30:29 SMH Apr 16 01:30:39 well, the phone also doesn't have sound Apr 16 01:30:42 I have made a App before on iOS http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bubbly-tap/id413597475?mt=8 Apr 16 01:30:56 s/phone/emulator/ Apr 16 01:30:57 PatrickC_Pre2 meant: well, the emulator also doesn't have sound Apr 16 01:31:02 it was just easy app i made for funny Apr 16 01:31:05 th3vo1d so many things break between phone & emu Apr 16 01:31:15 sonny, i think you are wearing out any sympathy anyone had for you here Apr 16 01:31:17 err emu & phone I meant Apr 16 01:31:30 ok then Apr 16 01:32:08 it just a Palm Pre 2 i bet you guys all have more then one Palm Something Apr 16 01:32:36 I have 3 palm devices, but I use them all for testing, not for profit Apr 16 01:32:37 they just sort of fall into your hands after awhile Apr 16 01:32:49 I haz a VZW pre+ & a vzw pre2 paid (subsidized) for each Apr 16 01:32:55 i don't want sell the Palm Pre 2 but i have two Apr 16 01:32:55 sonnydickson_ : You'd do better if you'd port that and then send palm some mail. Apr 16 01:33:07 oh lord, now he has 2! Apr 16 01:33:11 I've only got one palm device, ftr. Apr 16 01:33:14 I agrre with ctbeiser Apr 16 01:33:26 ^^ +1 Apr 16 01:33:42 ok Apr 16 01:34:04 Or better yet, make a really awesome app that everyone wants. Apr 16 01:34:20 hwhat how do you have two pre2,donate one to a developer in Aus who really needs one (there are many) Apr 16 01:34:20 you know, if i associated with the palm dev program, i would be REALLY upset right about now Apr 16 01:34:31 you should be ashamed of yourself Apr 16 01:34:33 port it, then make money that way.. you obviously have some OSX machine Apr 16 01:34:54 Yeah, i do Apr 16 01:34:54 Port +1 Apr 16 01:35:08 then why do you need another one? Apr 16 01:35:22 and why are you gonna play the developer program like that? Apr 16 01:36:08 I have NO OSX machines, my main development machine has 128MB RAM, and a 15GB HDD Apr 16 01:36:19 lol nice Apr 16 01:36:21 WOW, Apr 16 01:36:34 O_o is it a Pentium2 ??? Apr 16 01:36:43 patrick are you accepting hardware donations? Apr 16 01:36:44 128mb of ram Apr 16 01:36:46 PatrickC_Pre2 : That gets you the kind of cred that makes me want to mail you some ram or a bigger HDD. Apr 16 01:36:48 but I don't play the development device program.. I have 2 developer devices, and I'm not willing to take palm for granted like that.. Apr 16 01:36:56 NergalJAF: yep Apr 16 01:37:23 th3vo1d: I have a better machine, its just not my main dev machine Apr 16 01:37:28 lol ok Apr 16 01:37:37 dude props to using it still. Wowzers Apr 16 01:37:43 because i have alot of spare hardware sitting around Apr 16 01:38:06 we do too.. my dad is a computer person thru and thru.. Apr 16 01:38:08 I have a P1 I run cakewalk 1.x on Apr 16 01:38:27 NergalJAF: mmx? Apr 16 01:38:39 but its just so old, its not worth updating.. unless I'm updating the entire thing, processor and all Apr 16 01:38:45 i have a pentium 166 somewhere Apr 16 01:39:24 I've got a emate 2000 if we're playing the geek cred game now. Apr 16 01:39:29 Win95 pentium 1 (no MMX) 150mhz gateway LOL soooo slow Apr 16 01:39:34 depends on what motherboard it is Apr 16 01:39:50 my pixi ran faster then my main development machine :/ Apr 16 01:39:56 evening gents Apr 16 01:40:03 hay M4X Apr 16 01:40:05 Howdy M4X Apr 16 01:40:12 ah our frankenpre friend m4x Apr 16 01:40:21 lol hows it going th3vo1d Apr 16 01:40:29 i bit the bullit and got a pre2 Apr 16 01:40:34 bullet even** Apr 16 01:40:44 bbl.. phone needs to charge (4% battery) Apr 16 01:40:55 how does it compare to running a franken? Apr 16 01:40:55 ha you should have bought the one this guy is trying to sell in here Apr 16 01:41:05 ausfag thinks he can get $700 for it Apr 16 01:41:08 oh man how much? gsm/vzw Apr 16 01:41:54 GSM devprogram for 7 bones Apr 16 01:42:00 ctbeiser: whats an emate 2000? Apr 16 01:42:02 meh Apr 16 01:42:10 wait... 7 dollars 0.o Apr 16 01:42:17 lol Apr 16 01:42:38 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMate_300 Apr 16 01:42:56 LOL damn 700 bones Apr 16 01:43:21 Touch-screen, arm processor, full keyboard, arm processor. Apr 16 01:43:22 Newton & Folio had a baby :P Apr 16 01:43:30 lol Apr 16 01:43:40 back :) Apr 16 01:43:53 i used to have a tandy laptop Apr 16 01:43:55 uh that was the fastest charging ever Apr 16 01:44:15 lol.. that's the beauty of having 2 phones :) Apr 16 01:44:35 If Apple had released something like the emate instead of the iPad, the critics woulda loved it and nobody woulda bought one. Apr 16 01:44:44 radio shack should kept making tandy they coulda had a bomb cheap entry Smartphone Apr 16 01:45:29 problem is Apple has a marketing machine & got everyone addicted to a PalmOS knockoff Apr 16 01:46:13 it is more stable than PalmOS with apps on it though LOL Apr 16 01:46:28 I envy you Patrick!! I wish I had... 3 phones!! :D Apr 16 01:46:32 I'd think of it as what palmos would be if it had gotten a couple more overhauls. Apr 16 01:46:35 nicknick hay Apr 16 01:46:46 well, I wish I could repair my Baby Pre soon :( Apr 16 01:47:00 ctbeiser I think I agree on that Apr 16 01:47:10 how is it broken? Apr 16 01:47:26 I shoulda bought one of those $40 pixis yesterday. Apr 16 01:47:29 hey PatrickC_Pre. just Pre tonight, no Pre2? Apr 16 01:47:40 pre2 is dead :/ Apr 16 01:47:41 :) Apr 16 01:47:51 ... Apr 16 01:47:58 lol Apr 16 01:47:59 Ahhh IRC is a geeks paradise on a friday LOL … Apr 16 01:48:06 no touchstone? Apr 16 01:48:20 I have a ts, but is isn't by the couch lol Apr 16 01:48:26 I'm too lazy to move it Apr 16 01:48:30 Unrelated: I can't believe they called the Pre3 the Pre3. It's like, textbook how-to-make-nobody-buy-the-Pre2. Apr 16 01:48:38 NergalJAF: hehe Apr 16 01:48:57 anyone on a VZW Pre+ with 2.1? i've had really good luck with gps lately Apr 16 01:48:59 Loudergood: One of the cables that play below the slider got broken... "somehow" ;) Apr 16 01:49:14 * PatrickC_Pre raises hand in front of NickNick Apr 16 01:49:37 any of you guise run linux? Apr 16 01:49:51 yeah but the pre3 was a shoutout to us greybeards. NickNick yeah the 2.1 fixes most of the gps issues Apr 16 01:49:52 * NuttyBunny raises hand in front of M4X Apr 16 01:49:57 I do in a vbox Apr 16 01:50:08 yes Apr 16 01:50:20 * NergalJAF rasies hand in front of /me Apr 16 01:50:30 I just saw a distro based on ubuntu (as everything is these days it seems) that is really cloud based. I think i am going to throw it on the laptop and check it out Apr 16 01:50:39 NergalJAF: for me it does, if i get a fix a particular way: reboot phone, turn on gps, launch maptool pro, hit the "tracks" button, walk/bike/drive a bit Apr 16 01:50:39 http://www.jolicloud.com/download Apr 16 01:50:49 i've gotten a lock like 6/6 times i've tried it Apr 16 01:51:46 my pre2 vzw can be a bit itchy after being indoors for a bit or after a reboot in i'm not in motion when luna boots Apr 16 01:52:01 if* Apr 16 01:52:18 M4X: I used it a while ago. It's alright even if all it does is illustrate how the idea of Cloud Computing only exists because people running Windows are to scared to download applications and therefore no good ones exist. Apr 16 01:53:05 cloud has some good things but I wouldn't want all my stuff (read porm JK) in it Apr 16 01:53:32 haha, yeah I'm actually using linux mint right now Apr 16 01:53:40 personally, i just dont understand the whole cloud hype Apr 16 01:53:50 ctbeiser: looks like they just revamed it about a month ago. Its interesting. NergalJAF I agree but for my laptop this seems pretty ideal. I wanted to put a small ssd on their ~64gig and this would be great. Loudergood I just uninstalled lmde on the desktop =p Apr 16 01:54:14 yeah I just installed 10.10 Apr 16 01:54:22 I used mint until I built my vbox LAMP server. Apr 16 01:54:32 I used to do rolling debian... Apr 16 01:54:45 I never got the appeal of Mint vs stock Ubuntu… it's not really more intuitive or prettier. Apr 16 01:54:53 Loudergood: I am running 10.10 only kde. I tried to do rolling debian but got annoyed at font rendering and not being able to add ppas Apr 16 01:55:08 but I ended up spending about one day a month fixing it Apr 16 01:55:34 I had kubuntu on there before that Apr 16 01:55:49 i run windows 7 and i like it Apr 16 01:55:52 I hadn't used kde before I like the way it feels. i am not a fan of gnome 3 nor unity :/ Apr 16 01:55:53 thought I'd try mint for something slightly different Apr 16 01:56:05 yeah I've got windows 7 on the desktop Apr 16 01:56:10 dual boot ftw Apr 16 01:56:14 I do like kde Apr 16 01:56:28 I never end up using windows on my laptop though ;) Apr 16 01:56:44 my laptop is my primary computer Apr 16 01:56:48 of course windows 7 drivers dont really exist for my gpu Apr 16 01:56:49 I once tried getting Gentoo running. Took approx 15 hours and then it wouldn't boot because apparently ext3 isn't supported by Grub or something. I did successfully compile a kernel though. Apr 16 01:57:04 and it has vt-x so if i want to play in linux i can Apr 16 01:57:29 yeah I hardly game anymore so I should just move over to the laptop full time Apr 16 01:57:50 ctbeiser: when i get leet enough i want to compile gentoo or arch.... still getting my feet wet. Loudergood what gpu do you have ? Apr 16 01:58:15 it's a radeon x1400 Apr 16 01:58:21 vista drivers kind of work Apr 16 01:58:32 but the power management is lacking so it runs hot Apr 16 01:58:48 M4X: Jump in and try gentoo. You learn so much, even if it's a fool's errand. Apr 16 01:58:52 so the open linux drivers are actually better Apr 16 01:59:16 mobile x1400 huh Apr 16 01:59:21 yup Apr 16 01:59:25 good ol amd driver mess Apr 16 01:59:47 they're all screwed up on linux Apr 16 02:00:06 I have to give amd credit for at least trying to fix it though Apr 16 02:00:15 current nv whql drivers fully support every desktop card they made since the 6200 Apr 16 02:00:24 ctbeiser: ill have to give it a shot.... ill throw it on the old netbook. Apr 16 02:00:51 the current amd ones support everything since the 2xxx series Apr 16 02:00:58 not sure if that's the same generation Apr 16 02:01:08 nope Apr 16 02:01:33 oh right..that's actually 2 later Apr 16 02:01:34 M4X: Go for something with a comfy keyboard. Apr 16 02:01:41 thats only because every amd card since the HD2xxx series is the same architecture Apr 16 02:02:12 yeah, I'm willing to bet that almost the same is true for nvidia...except for their latest generation Apr 16 02:02:18 not quite Apr 16 02:02:40 the 6xxx and 7xxx are similar, both dx9 generation Apr 16 02:02:56 but the 8xx was dx10, with unified shaders Apr 16 02:03:17 then the gt2xx series has a revised shader arch Apr 16 02:03:42 and revised again with the fermi cards (4xx and 5xx series) Apr 16 02:04:48 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA#Version_features_and_specifications Apr 16 02:05:24 this covers the compute capability differences between dx10 and dx11 card architechures Apr 16 02:06:11 well yes..if you want to get that detailed Apr 16 02:06:13 see that's why I like this room, I learn so much Apr 16 02:06:27 * PatrickC_Pre needs to learn how to compile a kernel, Apr 16 02:07:11 soo easy Apr 16 02:07:24 lol Apr 16 02:07:36 step1 get some popping corn Apr 16 02:08:14 LOL Apr 16 02:08:14 step 2) cook using frying phone Apr 16 02:08:23 LOL Apr 16 02:08:37 1.8ghz should to the trick Apr 16 02:08:43 do Apr 16 02:08:57 1.8 Nothin... 2.5GHz ftw!! Apr 16 02:09:20 2.5...that was the holy grail for athlon xp cpus Apr 16 02:09:48 7.9Thz or nothing, else our phones are just to weak Apr 16 02:10:04 could you immagine a pre2 running at 2.5GHz? Apr 16 02:10:07 THz?? Apr 16 02:10:16 i got my athlon xp past 2.5 Apr 16 02:10:26 lucky you... Apr 16 02:10:41 i think i got it to 2.7 or so Apr 16 02:10:44 even my epox boards and mobile cpus couldn't get past that wall on air Apr 16 02:10:46 TeraHertz Apr 16 02:11:14 abit nf7-s, xp-m 2400+ 35w, water cooling Apr 16 02:11:27 meh Apr 16 02:11:27 * Loudergood has multiple 5.8 GHz chips on his desktop ;) Apr 16 02:11:43 * halfhalo is happy that his q6600 is running at 3.6GHz Apr 16 02:11:49 mind you, its still really slow compared to a core 2 duo at that speed Apr 16 02:12:05 my parents are still using that machine... Apr 16 02:12:15 it's fairly snappy for its age Apr 16 02:12:23 toned it down to 2Ghz though Apr 16 02:12:24 My parents are using a Pentium M ultramobile. Apr 16 02:12:47 slowest computer in my house is my mini Apr 16 02:12:55 you have more than one 802.11a card in your desktop? Apr 16 02:13:09 lol no Apr 16 02:13:23 my laptop and my router are on the desk though... Apr 16 02:13:39 haha Apr 16 02:13:48 I have a Pentium III Hp Laptop somewhere. Has a switch on the side for pulling out the disk drive. Apr 16 02:14:09 i want a thinkpad t23 Apr 16 02:14:15 the floppy? Apr 16 02:14:15 my thinkpad is modular like that Apr 16 02:14:24 th3vo1d: the butterfly? Apr 16 02:14:32 what?? Apr 16 02:14:42 o_O Apr 16 02:14:57 http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T23 Apr 16 02:15:07 nevermind..that's the 701 Apr 16 02:15:21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=478hsrVjVQk Apr 16 02:15:25 check out the keyboard Apr 16 02:16:09 sweet usb 1.1 that's the future Apr 16 02:16:34 lol Apr 16 02:16:41 haha, why would you want a T23? Apr 16 02:16:50 i want it for the onboard native serial port Apr 16 02:16:55 ahh Apr 16 02:16:57 why is there suddenly a green wifi signal next to my freenode channel in wirc? Apr 16 02:18:35 NVM it's the lag meter Apr 16 02:18:39 and to run xp on Apr 16 02:18:45 looks like the T30 has a serial port too Apr 16 02:19:29 I still need serial & parallel ports for my old music hardware (& external scsi) Apr 16 02:19:59 they make expresscard ones Apr 16 02:20:14 serial? or scsi? Apr 16 02:20:20 serial Apr 16 02:20:33 external scsi I don't know Apr 16 02:22:38 might be better off with a dock Apr 16 02:22:38 it might, but id rather not have a netburst laptop Apr 16 02:22:49 That I need for my scsi zip drive Apr 16 02:23:15 but I might actually find an internal zip instead Apr 16 02:24:09 i want it for datalogging and bin uploading for cars Apr 16 02:24:35 and 1.5 hours of battery isnt going to cut it Apr 16 02:25:09 i figure with a fresh main battery plus an ultrabay bat, it should give me more than 3hrs Apr 16 02:27:56 I <3 my T60 with the extended batt and ultrabay batt Apr 16 02:28:06 thing lasts all day long Apr 16 02:28:10 * halfhalo has a T400 with 9cell Apr 16 02:28:27 yeah I've got the 9 cell and the bay one Apr 16 02:28:39 the bay one on adds 1.5 hours or so Apr 16 02:50:31 sudo apt-get install git Apr 16 02:50:33 lmao Apr 16 02:50:34 lol Apr 16 02:50:35 oops Apr 16 02:54:08 what was that for? Apr 16 02:54:50 haha i use a cli based irc client and i was trying to install 'git' its called for in the metadoctor for 'frankenpres' Apr 16 02:55:58 you use irssi? Apr 16 02:56:35 anyone in here compile a OC kernel before? Apr 16 02:57:27 yeah irssi ftw. Apr 16 02:57:44 PatrickC_Pre: I suggest you try compiling a known working kernel first Apr 16 02:58:07 I need to know what language they are written in Apr 16 02:58:27 lol Apr 16 02:58:40 hehe Apr 16 02:58:45 C Apr 16 02:58:58 C, C#, or C++? Apr 16 02:59:04 C Apr 16 02:59:14 with a bit of assembly **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 16 02:59:58 2011