**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 16 02:59:58 2011 Apr 16 03:00:34 :/ Apr 16 03:00:43 know what pointers are? Apr 16 03:01:53 nope Apr 16 03:01:59 I need to learn C now.. Apr 16 03:02:32 ok, govnah says I have f104, but preware doesnt Apr 16 03:03:29 ^^ my dads pre Apr 16 03:06:32 your dad's pre has cognitive dissonance Apr 16 03:06:40 apparently Apr 16 03:06:44 what? lol Apr 16 03:07:09 ~holding two opposing ideas simultaneously Apr 16 03:07:51 anyone know why it would be doing this? should I try to *install* the kernel again, even though its installed Apr 16 03:08:42 did you install f104a with preware? Apr 16 03:08:49 yes Apr 16 03:09:06 i'd give it a recovery kernel -> reboot -> f104 install Apr 16 03:19:53 PatrickC_Pre: any luck? Apr 16 03:20:09 I haven't tried it yet :p Apr 16 03:20:13 watching tv lol Apr 16 03:20:50 trying it noq Apr 16 03:20:56 s/noq/now/ Apr 16 03:20:56 PatrickC_Pre meant: trying it now Apr 16 03:28:40 stock pre- is slow... Apr 16 03:29:10 lol Apr 16 03:29:46 its painful lol Apr 16 03:36:54 * phil_bw wanders by Apr 16 03:37:12 * PatrickC_Pre2 trips phil_bw Apr 16 03:37:34 * phil_bw falls and knocks PatrickC_Pre2's computer to it's death Apr 16 03:37:59 * PatrickC_Pre2 laughs because he isn't holding a computer hahaha Apr 16 03:39:31 heh Apr 16 03:40:18 NickNick: booted with SR71 Apr 16 03:42:16 niiiice Apr 16 03:42:26 TV_MA_LSV: hehehe Apr 16 03:42:37 brb.. reboot is comin Apr 16 03:46:32 * PatrickC_Pre2 needs to learn C... but doesn't want to :p Apr 16 03:47:50 any of you make a pre+/2 a sprint pre+/2? Apr 16 03:48:20 loudergood has iirc Apr 16 03:48:52 Loudergood: i am curious what your makefile looked like if u have a chance. Apr 16 03:49:04 I made a gsm pre2 into a vzw one Apr 16 03:49:28 I just used the script Apr 16 03:49:32 ill be making a gsm pre2 into a sprint one but i am still curious if its sitting aorund. Apr 16 03:49:39 in the /scripts/ director Apr 16 03:49:40 oh no changes to the makefiel then? Apr 16 03:49:41 y Apr 16 03:49:50 the script takes care of it Apr 16 03:50:17 what do you want to change the makefile?? Apr 16 03:50:21 I could've done a few things...but I didn't Apr 16 03:50:33 the makefile is pretty well commented Apr 16 03:50:43 nothing in particular... just was wondering thanks guise. Apr 16 03:51:05 I changed my makefile for my pre2 meta-doctor Apr 16 03:51:33 all I did was like, bypass activation, bypass firstuse, auto install preware, auto enable testing feeds Apr 16 03:55:45 * PatrickC_Pre2 is thinking of making a sprintpre2 Apr 16 03:58:48 i edited the makefile to load my wifi profiles Apr 16 03:58:59 which is documented in the meta-doc wiki, i think Apr 16 03:59:42 * PatrickC_Pre2 is waiting for his pre- to boot... Apr 16 04:02:00 ok, well... my pre will get into the luna stage in the boot cycle, then decide to just totally reboot Apr 16 04:04:15 PatrickC_Pre2: is your pre wearing girly underwear? Apr 16 04:04:43 possibly Apr 16 04:05:13 i've read of folks putting SR71 phones in the freezer to keep them cool enough so they could tweak voltages and keep that kernel Apr 16 04:05:35 wow Apr 16 04:05:39 reboots are indicative of not enough voltage i believe Apr 16 04:05:42 haha Apr 16 04:06:10 it got to the luna stage, so I an remove the package with palm-install -r Apr 16 04:06:14 why not just run uberkernel? Apr 16 04:06:20 package removed ;) hopefully Apr 16 04:06:29 I like 1.2GHz more then 1GHz Apr 16 04:06:48 you can manually set a higher speed Apr 16 04:06:49 and SS v2 Apr 16 04:06:53 or vdemand Apr 16 04:06:54 I haven't anything that 1ghz can't do Apr 16 04:06:57 which UK has none of Apr 16 04:07:16 th3co1d: UK can only go to 1GHz Apr 16 04:07:26 really? Apr 16 04:07:35 I can do 1GHz, and 1.1Ghz, but not 1.2GHz :/ Apr 16 04:07:36 really Apr 16 04:07:37 and yep Apr 16 04:07:46 * th3vo1d tries Apr 16 04:08:04 After you get up past a certain point, it's actually slower though... Apr 16 04:08:08 UK is for public consumption, and some phones can't do 1.1 or 1.2, so no public Apr 16 04:08:12 did you know you an access novacom while in the first stage of booting?? Apr 16 04:08:39 PatrickC_Pre2: there are memboot instructions on page 1 of the F104a/F105 thread, if that helps Apr 16 04:08:57 I'm not looking to memboot quite yet ;)a Apr 16 04:09:13 and f104 boots fine, sr71 doesnt Apr 16 04:10:10 hmm Apr 16 04:10:11 ah Apr 16 04:11:38 so the "kernel" just controls closk speeds or what? Apr 16 04:11:42 clock Apr 16 04:12:00 I believe so Apr 16 04:13:00 what does memboot do? Apr 16 04:13:08 who started calling that a kernel? Apr 16 04:13:27 restores the stock kernel if you can't boot Apr 16 04:13:46 i believe. I've never had the "luck" to need it Apr 16 04:13:54 well, when I run the cmd on webos-internals.org it does nothing... Apr 16 04:14:22 * phil_bw wanders off Apr 16 04:14:43 what command Apr 16 04:14:45 ? Apr 16 04:15:04 novacom boot mem:// Apr 16 04:15:15 or novacom boot mem:// < uImage Apr 16 04:15:16 brb Apr 16 04:20:45 ooh f14 does 1,4ghz Apr 16 04:23:21 PatrickC_Pre2, the < uImage needs to be a path to a uImage file Apr 16 04:23:27 that is on your local system Apr 16 04:23:48 it lets you boot whatever kernel you want, but for only one boot, once you reboot the phone you are back to your native, installed kernel Apr 16 04:24:01 you can sue it to test out a kernel before you install it to make sure your phone behaves with it Apr 16 04:24:23 or if you memboot the stock kernel, you can use it for recovery if you installed a kernel that your phone doesn't work with Apr 16 04:25:43 cryptk: thanks, i didn't know all that either Apr 16 04:26:12 yep, basically, phone in recovery mode, you can manually specify a kernel on your local system for it to boot instead of the one on the phone Apr 16 04:29:46 I can memboot from recovery mode? Apr 16 04:29:57 you can only memboot from recovery mode... lol Apr 16 04:30:19 and the uImage would be something like C://File/To/Kernel/on/my/desktop/ ? Apr 16 04:30:22 oh lol Apr 16 04:31:03 well, the phone finally booted.. I was able to palm-install -r the kernel appid when the phone was in luna Apr 16 04:32:50 may I ask what the lastest kernel version the pre is at? Apr 16 04:33:15 M4X: stock? UK? Apr 16 04:33:32 F102, F104, F105? Apr 16 04:33:58 wasn't sure there was a difference. I am using the pre- now and i'll have the pre2 within a week Apr 16 04:34:16 Pre- with 1.4.5? Apr 16 04:34:23 the pre- can go up to 1.2GHz, the pre to can go up to 1.4GHz Apr 16 04:35:37 holy shit Apr 16 04:35:40 s/pre/pre2/ Apr 16 04:35:41 PatrickC_Pre2 meant: the pre2- can go up to 1.2GHz, the pre to can go up to 1.4GHz Apr 16 04:36:02 I will be trying to make a kernel for the pre2 that goes up to 1.5GHz Apr 16 04:36:15 infobot: you wrong there, pal Apr 16 04:36:41 lol..... Apr 16 04:36:55 1ghz is fast, 900 is just fine, 800 is usable Apr 16 04:37:08 1.4GHz is amazing!! :) Apr 16 04:37:10 stock is molasses Apr 16 04:37:51 yeah Apr 16 04:38:17 M4X: i'd recommend starting with UberKernel in Preware, and see how that goes. You'll also need Govnah Apr 16 04:39:48 I've got them both here already. I was actually just wondering if there were any 2.6.38. kernels out Apr 16 04:40:03 what? Apr 16 04:40:07 id been using android for quite awhile and when i used to use web os i was very very green with linux Apr 16 04:41:06 whats 2.6.38? Apr 16 04:41:48 I still am very green with linux :p Apr 16 04:41:54 and I'm a developer lol Apr 16 04:42:42 PatrickC_Pre2: do you have apps out? Apr 16 04:43:00 Just the NEWEST linux kernel version. on the pre- running 1.4.5 it has 2.6.24 Apr 16 04:43:07 no sir. I am just an enthusisast Apr 16 04:43:19 and i can't read irc Apr 16 04:43:25 i need to go to bed thank you guise for your hlep. Apr 16 04:43:33 ok, np night Apr 16 04:43:38 NickNick: yep, 6 Apr 16 04:44:12 yeah, he was talking about kernel version, not CPU speed Apr 16 04:44:14 which ones? Apr 16 04:44:24 not very nice ones... lol Apr 16 04:44:50 Fog Horn, Just a flashlight lite/plus, Lighter Light Beta/Beta Pixi, and Strobe! Lite Apr 16 04:45:18 lol flashlight screen apps Apr 16 04:45:21 can someone point me to an OC kernel for my lappy? lol Apr 16 04:45:27 mostly yep hehe Apr 16 04:45:30 LOL if only Apr 16 04:45:36 PatrickC_Pre2, you would need to compile one Apr 16 04:45:42 they were beginner apps defiantly Apr 16 04:45:50 that means I need to learn C... lol Apr 16 04:45:55 I personally overclock my computer in the bios, which your laptop is not likely to support Apr 16 04:46:07 you don't need to know C to compile a kernel Apr 16 04:46:13 I have Bios (I think) Apr 16 04:46:14 it helps, but not needed Apr 16 04:46:18 unfot\rtunately, overclocking an x86 cpu isnt the same as the omap Apr 16 04:46:19 yes you have a BIOS Apr 16 04:46:20 then how do I? Apr 16 04:46:39 but youe laptop bios is not likely to have options for overclocking Apr 16 04:46:49 :/ Apr 16 04:47:05 you are probably right.. and how do I compile a kernel without knowing C? Apr 16 04:47:11 PatrickC_Pre2, not to be rude, but if you don't even know what a bios is, or that your laptop has one, overclocking your laptop is likely to end with either a broken laptop or a burnt down house Apr 16 04:47:23 and laptops run hot as hell anyway, overclocking them is a bad idea Apr 16 04:48:00 I didn't know how recent of a bios I needed, and I'm not gonna OC my lappy, no need to.. (trying to get a new one) Apr 16 04:48:46 I have never seen a laptop bios that supports overclocking except for extremely few extremely expensive high end gaming laptops Apr 16 04:48:52 due to thermal concerns Apr 16 04:48:59 OC on any laptop is a bad idea Apr 16 04:49:12 mine isn't an expensive gaming laptop :p Apr 16 04:49:31 how do I compile a kernel without knowing C? Apr 16 04:49:48 you need to read about compiling kernels Apr 16 04:50:04 I probably do.. lol.. I will Apr 16 04:50:20 I do not have the time to chat on IRC for the weeks it would require to teach enough about kernel compilation that it would require to be able to kernel OC effectively Apr 16 04:50:36 it's a dark art known by few, passed down from generation to generation. a highly coveted and passionately protected secret. Apr 16 04:50:58 lol Apr 16 04:51:05 (seems more fun than a lmgtfy link ;)) Apr 16 04:51:22 :P Apr 16 04:51:22 and if you don't know how to compile a stock kernel, then compiling an OC kernel is definitely out of the question Apr 16 04:51:41 PatrickC_Pre2: sorry, i'm just being a tad silly :) Apr 16 04:51:55 dtzWill: I know lol Apr 16 04:52:26 and cryptk: I'll try compiling a stock kernel first, then understand what it does, then make my pre2 run at 2GHz :D Apr 16 04:52:44 s/2/1.5/ Apr 16 04:52:44 PatrickC_Pre2 meant: and cryptk: I'll try compiling a stock kernel first, then understand what it does, then make my pre1.5 run at 2GHz :D Apr 16 04:52:56 oh my goodness... Apr 16 04:53:08 infobot: you are wrong! Apr 16 04:53:08 PatrickC_Pre2: what are you talking about? Apr 16 04:53:20 PatrickC_Pre2, infobot only did exactly what you told it to Apr 16 04:53:27 lol Apr 16 04:53:34 I have a pre1.5 Apr 16 04:53:57 all I am saying is infobot did exactly what you told it to, you just didn't tell it to do what you wanted it to do Apr 16 04:54:02 sweet! Pre 1.5! Apr 16 04:54:57 it has 12GB HDD, and 425MB RAM Apr 16 04:55:07 and webOS 1.7.5 Apr 16 04:55:15 802.11a on the pixi Apr 16 04:55:20 on the pixi 1.5 Apr 16 04:56:02 * PatrickC_Pre2 loves to think about webOS phones.. and what they *should* be Apr 16 05:04:51 PatrickC_Pre2: what do you want with kernel compiling anyway? Apr 16 05:05:03 fortune and fame like UnixPsycho? Apr 16 05:05:11 I want a pre2 running at 1.5GHz Apr 16 05:05:38 and, the fortune and fame would be nice, but I'm building this for me, and I'm gonna distribute it for brave souls Apr 16 05:05:52 seems like just a matter of time before that happens, right? Apr 16 05:06:42 well, yeah.. but I want it nowwww :D Apr 16 05:07:17 heh Apr 16 05:07:32 I'm very impatient lol Apr 16 05:08:50 seems doubtful that 2.2 will make it to legacy devices Apr 16 05:09:05 and once that happens a bunch of folks are going to cough up cash for Pre2 or newer hardware Apr 16 05:09:06 if 2.0 didn't, 2.2 definitely wont Apr 16 05:09:41 but my impression is that 2.2 won't even be meta-doc'able to legacy devices if a legacy 2.2 doctor isn't released Apr 16 05:09:41 2.2 will end up in one way or another Apr 16 05:10:15 SineOt: yeah? Apr 16 05:10:22 not legally, in other words Apr 16 05:11:23 I'm not so sure, and I don't think all 2.2 features will work with legacy devices (isn't Touch-to-share 2.2?) Apr 16 05:11:44 In one way or another I mean basically, keep the 2.1 kernel features that got released mingled with the 2.2 files, etc Apr 16 05:12:12 It would be nice to get some bugs squashed that are in 2.1... that's for sure Apr 16 05:12:20 Apr 16 05:12:35 Anyone changed their screen-lock-padlock-off.png file? Apr 16 05:12:42 not yet Apr 16 05:12:56 There isn't really much I can think of to replace it with Apr 16 05:13:10 I wanted to replace it with a blank .png Apr 16 05:13:23 so that anyone who doesn't know the phone doesn't know how to unlock it Apr 16 05:13:27 heh Apr 16 05:13:36 lol Apr 16 05:13:39 i know i need same size image pixel wise, do i need same file size too? Apr 16 05:14:14 nupe Apr 16 05:14:21 don't even really need the same size I don't think :p Apr 16 05:14:33 hmm... I replaced it, but now i can't unlock my screen... Apr 16 05:14:46 slide the slider and see if that works Apr 16 05:15:08 yea, that works, but i want the invisible padlock Apr 16 05:15:26 maybe it ignores 0% alpha for touch purposes Apr 16 05:17:05 so i'd need a 1% visible .png instead maybe? Apr 16 05:17:15 try it, worth a shot Apr 16 05:26:13 night all Apr 16 05:30:41 got it. I ended up just modifying the old .png to be totally blank Apr 16 05:30:51 and left the "alpha" option checked when i saved it Apr 16 05:31:04 Posting here, if you're interested: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/198086-how-change-non-password-locks-creen.html Apr 16 05:45:29 well thats all for me Apr 16 05:45:32 night Apr 16 12:17:26 rwhitby: I just pictured you: "I won't tolerate people not erasing their build folders when creating their doctors, when I said make clobber I meant it!!!" Apr 16 12:20:47 yup Apr 16 12:20:47 when you revoke one of my edits, you better put in a comment saying why Apr 16 12:23:29 Yep, it was quite rude in fact. And of course, he won't be around then someone don't clean their build env correctly and come up with failed doctors :) Apr 16 12:24:22 So, you don't expect a good outcome from the creation attempt of a custom doctor for the pixies? Apr 16 12:32:50 the problem is all the stuff that gets created in /var after the first boot Apr 16 12:36:07 ah, yes, we were talking about that yesterday... I wish I had a Pixi... I guess PuffTheMagic will have to play with that Apr 16 14:14:06 morning TV_MA_LSV lol Apr 16 14:14:56 morn Apr 16 14:56:01 I have a pixi that can be played with Apr 16 14:56:39 I keep checking craigslist for abandoned pixis Apr 16 15:03:29 I need a Pixi that can be shipped to Mexico cheaply :) Apr 16 15:04:18 Loudergood, a couple days ago you could have gotten a brand new one off-contract (verizon though) pixi+ for $40 Apr 16 15:04:30 yes I know Apr 16 15:04:56 and verizon doesn't bother me at all.. Apr 16 15:07:13 I'd need GSM, I don't trust the only cdma carrier over here ;) Apr 16 15:10:07 to be fair I wish they were all gsm here Apr 16 15:10:39 and unlocked at that Apr 16 15:18:12 LTE is on the way :) Apr 16 15:18:29 unlocked would be nice too Apr 16 15:19:15 at least they've finally been forced to agree on a standard usb port to charge with Apr 16 15:23:52 except for the veer Apr 16 15:23:58 which cant be sold in europe because of it Apr 16 15:25:17 I'd not heard that Apr 16 15:26:04 europe forces the charging standard of micro USB and the veer has a special usb cable Apr 16 15:26:34 even iPhones are gonna need micro USB soon to keep being sold there Apr 16 15:27:01 I thought the magnetic attachment had a usbport on it Apr 16 15:27:34 not good enough Apr 16 15:27:40 has to be on the device Apr 16 15:27:44 i think anyways Apr 16 15:28:02 it was defined as a standard, it was not made mandatory Apr 16 15:28:47 I was pretty sure the EU made it mandatory? Apr 16 15:28:51 http://www.upvery.com/17821-europe-will-force-all-smartphones-to-take-micro-usb-in-january.html Apr 16 15:28:54 you sure? Apr 16 15:29:16 the internet certainly thinks its mandatory. Apr 16 15:29:29 hrm, I did miss that Apr 16 15:29:39 oh, and keith, no need to be an ass Apr 16 15:30:19 dude, if you think this is being an ass Apr 16 15:30:23 i can be much much worse :) Apr 16 15:30:40 although the standard, as defined, does not preclude the use of an adapter Apr 16 15:30:47 its only been 2 years they've been telling everyone to move Apr 16 15:31:07 yea youre right, with an adapter might still work Apr 16 15:31:24 The agreement allows for the use of an adaptor. Apr 16 15:31:26 nice Apr 16 15:31:33 http://www.eubusiness.com/topics/telecoms/mobile-charger Apr 16 15:31:35 that is odd though..I never looked closely and it's definately not an adapter at the moment Apr 16 15:31:37 so the veer is fine Apr 16 15:31:52 Loudergood, what isn't an adapter? Apr 16 15:32:02 the usb cable for the veer Apr 16 15:32:11 its definitely an adapter Apr 16 15:32:12 but its ok Apr 16 15:32:23 it adapts the magnetic plug to micro usb :) Apr 16 15:32:54 yep, the mag connector is micro USB, then the cable plugs into that Apr 16 15:33:00 http://www.onechargerforall.eu/en/ Apr 16 15:33:22 i wish the phone was bigger and had a standard plug on it Apr 16 15:33:29 even tho i've littered everywhere i go with touchstones Apr 16 15:33:42 yeah same here Apr 16 15:33:55 I've got one at work, one at home, and one in my car Apr 16 15:34:09 i got 3 at home, 2 at work and one in my car :) Apr 16 15:34:44 keith, if you think the veer is cool but you want it bigger and without adapters... get a Pre3 Apr 16 15:34:53 now that thing was great when I got to test it out Apr 16 15:34:55 well duh Apr 16 15:35:02 but so was the veer Apr 16 15:35:05 I kinda want both Apr 16 15:35:06 i'll probably get both. Apr 16 15:35:09 and a touchpad. Apr 16 15:35:27 depends how cheaply i can buy 'em out of contract Apr 16 15:35:39 the problem with the veer is i'm unsure i can get att prepaid data at any decent cost Apr 16 15:36:03 but i have a pre+ thats being a little bitch, so the minute i can switch p tot he pre3 i will definitely do that Apr 16 15:36:07 the veer is so small... and I like my phones small, but I use my pre right now a lot more than my laptop, so I don't want a small screen for web/email/stuff Apr 16 15:36:39 RagingMind: you hold it in your hand and play with it and it will warm up to you Apr 16 15:37:15 my bf has a pixi that I've played with. there's a lot that's nice about it, but the screen is too small for me Apr 16 15:37:37 i like the veer a ton more than the pixi Apr 16 15:37:37 I can use it for messages/email, but I don't like reading web pages on it Apr 16 15:37:42 the pixi still had the best kb Apr 16 15:37:47 of all webos devices Apr 16 15:37:52 the veer is close Apr 16 15:37:56 I LOVE the keyboard on the pixi! it makes me jealous Apr 16 15:38:10 pre3 is alright too, but i hope they firm up the keys a little more before production. Apr 16 15:38:28 I need to see a pre3 before I decide if I like it Apr 16 15:38:40 i've handled all the new devices :D Apr 16 15:38:47 man i missed the sf webos meetup last night :( Apr 16 15:38:52 it might be too big for my taste, and if the front looks too much like the pre2 it'll be ugly Apr 16 15:39:08 huh? Apr 16 15:39:17 the front switch from plastic to glass Apr 16 15:39:21 but other than that, same as all pres Apr 16 15:39:37 the glass is fine, but it's that hard edge around it and how thick it is Apr 16 15:39:49 its not thicker than existing Apr 16 15:39:54 I saw one in the Vzw store and was glad I had my pre Apr 16 15:39:57 pre2 is more thick than pre3 i believe. Apr 16 15:40:05 yeah at that size it'd better be thinner Apr 16 15:40:20 IIRC its almost iphone thin Apr 16 15:40:26 Pre2 is the same thickness as my pre+ except right around the edges Apr 16 15:40:36 feels/seems thicker tho Apr 16 15:40:37 yes that's the problem... the pre2 is just as thick as the pre, but because it has that edge instead of being rounded like the pre... it looks chunky Apr 16 15:41:09 its not rounded because its glass. Apr 16 15:41:15 glass doesnt round well and stay strong :P Apr 16 15:41:25 I know, but it made it ugly Apr 16 15:41:29 correct, I saw a stack of a Pre3, Pre2 on that, Veer on that (Lisa's hand under them all) Apr 16 15:41:36 Pre 3 is thinner Apr 16 15:41:48 RagingMind: i disagree Apr 16 15:42:04 i think the rounded corners makes it look super cheap Apr 16 15:42:07 like its plastic Apr 16 15:42:07 I disagree as well Apr 16 15:42:21 I like the look of the Pre2 (and the 3) Apr 16 15:42:31 its the same look as before, just with glass now Apr 16 15:42:44 I like the glass, and I like the rounded bottom, but the sides of the top part of a pre2 just looks terrible Apr 16 15:42:54 theres a reason why the iphone4 is boxy as well Apr 16 15:43:13 the iphone 4 looks sexy Apr 16 15:43:17 i think the rounded corners look much worse than the pre2/pre3 look. Apr 16 15:44:43 really? its all boxy and thats sexy Apr 16 15:44:46 but the pre2/pre3 isnt? Apr 16 15:44:51 that doesnt even make sense. Apr 16 15:45:21 you're not reading what I said all that close... it's not the hard corners on the pre2 that I don't like Apr 16 15:46:08 < RagingMind> yes that's the problem... the pre2 is just as thick as the pre, but because it has that edge instead of being rounded like the pre... it looks chunky Apr 16 15:46:10 isnt that exactly what you said? Apr 16 15:46:32 yes... I think you should re-read it a couple times :-P Apr 16 15:46:36 he's got ya by the bollocks Apr 16 15:46:49 because it has that edge instead of being rounded like the pre... it looks chunky Apr 16 15:46:56 and the iphone has an edge Apr 16 15:46:56 Yup Apr 16 15:46:58 and isnt rounded Apr 16 15:47:00 but you like it. Apr 16 15:47:03 yup Apr 16 15:47:04 I re-read... you clearly state you don't like the hard edge Apr 16 15:47:09 which the iPhone also has Apr 16 15:47:12 yea super confused Apr 16 15:47:18 the iphone 4 looks sexy Apr 16 15:47:21 no actually I never say I don't like the edge Apr 16 15:47:29 actually Apr 16 15:47:30 because it has that edge instead of being rounded like the pre... it looks chunky Apr 16 15:47:31 er agreed Apr 16 15:47:39 yeah... I give up Apr 16 15:47:42 I don't like what the edge does to the appearance of how thick the top of the phone is Apr 16 15:47:53 you implied you didnt like it cuz you dont like chunk Apr 16 15:48:03 08:39 < RagingMind> it might be too big for my taste, and if the front looks too much like the pre2 it'll be ugly Apr 16 15:48:07 wait no Apr 16 15:48:09 you didnt imply Apr 16 15:48:09 RagingMind, doesn't like fat things... Apr 16 15:48:11 if the top was thinner then it would look fine even with the edge Apr 16 15:48:13 you said it's ugly :P Apr 16 15:48:35 its a slider, you cant get much smaller with a slider Apr 16 15:48:43 pre3 is probably the thinnest slider i've ever seen Apr 16 15:49:03 says the guy who has handled a veer... the smallest (AFAIK) slider smartphone ever Apr 16 15:49:19 I'm not saying it had to be technically possible when it was built to make it thinner, but that wasn't my point either. as-built it's ugly Apr 16 15:49:21 actually veer feels thicker than a pre3 Apr 16 15:49:25 because of how small it is Apr 16 15:49:33 i didnt have a chance to get out a ruler and check tho ;) Apr 16 15:49:41 I would expect so, otherwise the battery would be ridiculously tiny Apr 16 15:49:55 cryptk: thin != small Apr 16 15:50:02 and with the smaller screen, it doesn't need as large of a battery Apr 16 15:50:03 i agree, veer is definitely the smallest slider Apr 16 15:50:06 keith, I understand that Apr 16 15:50:08 but i dont think its as thin Apr 16 15:50:13 its a slider, you cant get much smaller with a slider Apr 16 15:50:16 you said small Apr 16 15:50:23 08:49 < keith> pre3 is probably the thinnest slider i've ever seen Apr 16 15:50:28 its a slider, you cant get much smaller with a slider Apr 16 15:50:32 you said both! Apr 16 15:50:37 we are both wrong... Apr 16 15:50:39 and both right... Apr 16 15:50:44 pre3 is thinnest, veer is the smallest :D Apr 16 15:50:53 and touchpad is awesome. Apr 16 15:50:58 besides no gestures :( Apr 16 15:51:00 AGREED! Apr 16 15:51:14 hrm... they could do multi touch gestures on it Apr 16 15:51:19 indeed Apr 16 15:51:21 that would be just a software change away Apr 16 15:51:24 but they chose not too :( Apr 16 15:51:40 well the problem is, theres no dedicated gesture area Apr 16 15:51:42 I would love to see a two finger upswipe to replace the gesture upswipe Apr 16 15:51:52 I understand the logistical reasons for removing the gesture area though Apr 16 15:52:02 sadly, most don't Apr 16 15:52:04 they coulda bezeled it like the playbook Apr 16 15:52:16 touchpad as a significant bezel around it Apr 16 15:52:20 thats essentially worthless Apr 16 15:52:27 playbook does not have a gesture area Apr 16 15:52:43 correct, it uses the bezel of the device. Apr 16 15:52:46 http://www.intomobile.com/2011/02/03/rim-blackberry-playbook-gesture-video/ Apr 16 15:52:54 you can gesture on the entire bezel. Apr 16 15:53:02 i fucked around with a playbook the other day too Apr 16 15:53:06 sucker crashed like 5 times Apr 16 15:53:26 so much of it is such a webos ripoff Apr 16 15:53:44 seems like all the tablets are coming out half baked Apr 16 15:53:49 cryptk: actually one could make the argument the entire bezel *is* the gesture area Apr 16 15:53:54 Loudergood: except for ipad Apr 16 15:54:05 I liked QNX, too bad it's been turned into a silly rip-off with it's new tablet gui Apr 16 15:54:17 I am looking for evidence of a touch sensitive bezel Apr 16 15:54:23 haven't seen it yet Apr 16 15:54:27 did you watch that video? Apr 16 15:54:32 I am watching it now Apr 16 15:54:36 http://theunlockr.com/2011/04/13/blackberry-101-how-to-use-gestures-on-the-blackberry-playbook/ Apr 16 15:54:39 or that one Apr 16 15:54:43 or the other 200 on the internet Apr 16 15:54:49 the bezel on the playbook is not touch sensitive... care for me to tell you how it owrks? Apr 16 15:55:06 As you may know, the BlackBerry PlayBook sports a 7-inch screen with a high resolution but there’s almost an inch of bezel around that screen in each direction. This will be used to do some gesture controls and it’s somewhat similar to what webOS does but it’s a bit more refined. Apr 16 15:55:11 why do you think that? Apr 16 15:55:23 that is wrong Apr 16 15:55:24 the OS pays attention to when inputs start on the outter 1px border Apr 16 15:55:33 at :32 you'll see the corner left Apr 16 15:55:36 on just the bezel. Apr 16 15:56:07 this guy clearly states the bezel is touch sensitive. Apr 16 15:56:15 and when i used the playbook Apr 16 15:56:21 i could gesture on just the bezel Apr 16 15:56:26 no, the corner, he puts his finger on the corner and then drags it onto the screen Apr 16 15:56:50 hrm Apr 16 15:56:52 maybe Apr 16 15:57:05 the bezel is not touch sensitive on the playbook at all Apr 16 15:57:19 everyone calls them 'bezel gestures' Apr 16 15:57:29 but when you drag your finger onto the screen, the input obviously starts at the outermost 1 (might be 2) pixels Apr 16 15:57:55 yep, because the easiest way to start your touch input at that outermost border is to drag the finger in from the bezel Apr 16 15:58:07 so the bezel is involved, and it is an aid to the gestures Apr 16 15:58:09 anyways, besides the point Apr 16 15:58:12 but the bezel itself, not touch sensitive Apr 16 15:58:15 webos coulda done something like this Apr 16 15:58:21 it could have been, yes Apr 16 15:58:31 i guess they still could, if youre right Apr 16 15:58:33 but I think I would prefer to see multitouch instead Apr 16 15:58:54 i dont wanna have to click a button to go back Apr 16 15:58:56 because then you could start the gesture from anywhere, including from the bezel Apr 16 15:59:11 exactly, that is why multitouch would be perfect Apr 16 15:59:18 thats still gestures Apr 16 15:59:19 two fingers swiping left = back Apr 16 15:59:29 when did I say it wasn't gestures? Apr 16 15:59:30 multitouch will of course be enabled on the touchpad Apr 16 15:59:39 yes, it will be of course Apr 16 15:59:41 i guess you implied when you said 'instead' Apr 16 15:59:54 multitouch isnt on the playbook? Apr 16 16:00:05 oh yea it is Apr 16 16:00:26 as it stands, no gestures at all on the touchpad Apr 16 16:00:29 what I meant was if I have to chose between a touch bezel, the playbook "simulated" touch bezel, or multitouch gestures, I choose the multitouch gestures instead of the other options Apr 16 16:00:30 so people need retraining Apr 16 16:00:40 to use the same os on diff formfactor :( Apr 16 16:00:46 I never said the touchpad had gestures... Apr 16 16:01:19 i never said you did/didnt? Apr 16 16:01:39 ahh, read out of order Apr 16 16:01:42 my fault Apr 16 16:02:01 i cant wait for new devices Apr 16 16:02:09 esp since my pre plus is being a piece of shit Apr 16 16:02:16 but I would prefer to see the touchpad have multitouch gestures over the playbook method Apr 16 16:02:29 agreed Apr 16 16:02:36 but i would prefer anything over nothing. Apr 16 16:02:41 indeed Apr 16 16:02:52 with a button, it makes it a reprogrammed iPad Apr 16 16:03:02 granted, I like the iPad hardware, I just hate the OS on it Apr 16 16:03:15 so that isn't necessarily a bad thing ;) Apr 16 16:03:24 just not the "best" thing Apr 16 16:03:41 i love ios for atv2 Apr 16 16:03:50 makes a fantastic specialized os for home theater Apr 16 16:03:55 but yea, i've owned 2 or 3 ipads now Apr 16 16:04:01 and they never ceased to piss me off Apr 16 16:04:45 i almost bought a xoom the other day Apr 16 16:04:56 i played with honeycomb on my nook color the other day Apr 16 16:05:04 excited to see what matias has done to honeycomb. Apr 16 16:05:13 blargh, I have a server yelling at me... gotta run... Apr 16 16:05:15 bbl Apr 16 16:05:18 i should go too Apr 16 16:28:53 SineOt already linked to this: http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljlfk6Zglb1qzs75go1_500.jpg Apr 16 16:29:30 but I was just thinking why it should be the perfect inspiration for a webos internals mascot :) Apr 16 16:30:10 the pre is supposed to be shaped like a smooth stone, so an otter with a pre on his head! or maybe just in his hands Apr 16 16:33:07 yes but they're leaving the river stone behind Apr 16 16:40:29 * phil_bw wanders by Apr 16 16:41:18 * PatrickC_Pre2 trips phil_bw Apr 16 16:42:34 bloody hell Apr 16 16:44:13 * PatrickC_Pre2 back into the corner Apr 16 16:45:31 man... getting the app cat error again... :/ Apr 16 16:45:43 sucks Apr 16 16:45:55 I know... but its an easy fix Apr 16 16:47:19 don't know anything about it Apr 16 16:48:04 its on an unactivated device that I logged into a palm profile over wifi to get app catalog access (but I have to re-login every week or so :/) Apr 16 16:48:57 btw, is there ever a time you're not in this chat room patrick? Apr 16 16:49:13 when I'm sleeping or doing school Apr 16 16:49:33 I see Apr 16 16:50:18 but even when I'm doing school, I'm usually logged on Apr 16 16:50:58 phil_bw: wanna test a new kernel I'm making? it won't be ready for maybe a month or 2 though Apr 16 16:51:20 not really, not much of a kernel tweaker myself Apr 16 16:51:35 that's fine Apr 16 16:52:44 I don't need the testers for now, just building a beta group for when its time Apr 16 17:05:28 oh baby Apr 16 17:06:26 dtzWill: when you're around: we have sticky orange keys :) the right way even. had to sacrifice the sym key for the moment but I'll bring it back better than ever later. more when I get off work Apr 16 17:06:40 * phil_bw wanders Apr 16 17:06:44 * phil_bw off Apr 16 21:32:31 I meta-doctored my (O2 UK Pre-) to 2.1, everything is fine apart from no data connection, any suggestions? Apr 16 21:32:47 data worked for profile activation, but not since Apr 16 21:36:42 it also isn't reading my phone number properly (at all) in device info - possibly related? Apr 16 21:39:59 I have no clue.. did you try doctoring again? Apr 16 21:41:45 i was reluctant, everything else worked out nicely, but I'll try that before i give up and go back to 1.4.5 Apr 16 21:42:20 try turning airplane mode on/off? Apr 16 21:43:34 genius Apr 16 21:43:35 thanks Apr 16 21:43:46 i thought i'd tried it Apr 16 21:44:10 did it work? Apr 16 21:44:23 it seems to have Apr 16 21:44:31 cool! Apr 16 21:44:41 yup, thanks Apr 16 21:45:00 np Apr 16 21:46:07 seems strange that my phone number doesnt show up in device info, seeing as it does appear on palm.com/palmprofile and its a new profile Apr 16 21:47:05 I have no clue.. sorry Apr 16 21:48:45 my 1.4.5 doesn't show my number too.. Apr 16 21:49:17 my 2.1 does Apr 16 21:49:20 bbl Apr 16 21:49:21 so probably not 2.1 problem only :) Apr 16 22:35:34 Bad things are happening. I may need a spot of help. Apr 16 22:35:49 Dropped my Sprint Pre+ 2.1.0 Apr 16 22:36:04 Purchased another VZW Pre+ and did the comm board swap. Apr 16 22:36:24 Built the metadoctor after git pull and make clobber. Apr 16 22:36:45 The meta-doctor is telling me that it is not compatible with my phone. Apr 16 22:37:03 Was I supposed to do something with the tokens first? Apr 16 22:37:50 .msg Apr 16 22:41:26 - | /commands | Apr 16 22:43:50 * Davide-NYC /help Apr 16 22:48:30 anyone around that can maybe help with a meta-doctor problem? Apr 16 22:48:39 Davide-NYC, I'm not familiar with any of that Apr 16 22:49:04 hard to tell with out knowing what metadoc script you used Apr 16 22:49:37 used ./scripts/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 Apr 16 22:49:47 but patience will bring along someone who does Apr 16 22:49:50 *is Apr 16 22:49:58 Davide-NYC, that would only work on a sprint device Apr 16 22:50:02 which you dont have Apr 16 22:50:07 yet Apr 16 22:50:23 The sprint comm board is already in the device. Apr 16 22:50:28 so Apr 16 22:50:51 tokens are still vzw Apr 16 22:51:11 Oh boy. I have some scrabling to do. Apr 16 22:51:15 *scrambling. Apr 16 22:51:22 BRB Apr 16 22:52:36 Wait, FWIW the phone makes phone calls and can access the web. I just have the wrong carrier apps. Apr 16 22:53:00 hey guise Apr 16 22:54:32 My palm profile displays correctly and I have access to the app catalog Apr 16 22:56:25 I found mention on the wiki to exactly what I am experiencing. "There is also an instance where after pressing the "next" button to start the Doctor, the phone appeared to need charging before the Doctor would start( on a 95% full battery), and then stalled at 0%. Putting the phone into emergency recovery mode appeared to solve this problem. " Apr 16 23:01:11 hay M4X Apr 16 23:01:20 Hows it going PatrickC_Away ? Apr 16 23:01:27 good Apr 16 23:02:33 I realized today that I was over-thinking the meta-doctor Apr 16 23:03:17 how so? Apr 16 23:04:15 i was following the wiki for the metadoctor and trying to build my own scripts... Apr 16 23:04:25 lol Apr 16 23:04:31 I was looking at this drunk last night lol Apr 16 23:04:49 hehe Apr 16 23:05:08 2.1 runs really nice on the pre- Apr 16 23:05:28 yes it does :) especially OCed Apr 16 23:05:37 Davide-NYC, fix your cookies Apr 16 23:05:44 haha i am only @ 720 but yeah its super useable Apr 16 23:05:46 err Apr 16 23:05:47 tokens Apr 16 23:06:46 pre 2 should be in my hands thursday Apr 16 23:07:49 Gotcha. Am doing. Sorry for the noob query. Apr 16 23:10:36 I must've missed something but is there something special I need to do to sign into my palm profile on 2.1? Apr 16 23:24:23 you might have to erase backup data Apr 16 23:24:37 I thought I had done that... I'll have to check again. Apr 16 23:27:39 since I'm building a custom doctor, can I get rid of these sprint apps easily? Apr 16 23:28:25 do I just comment out the lines that point to the sprint ipks? Apr 16 23:39:59 what os are you on? Apr 16 23:40:14 ubuntu linux Apr 16 23:40:28 * Davide-NYC total noob though Apr 16 23:41:37 why do you want to get rid of them? Apr 16 23:41:38 i thought you might be able to get rid of them out of the jar file but i can't find them in the one I just made... not completely sure may just be easier to rm them through novaterm Apr 16 23:41:44 once yuo install and everything Apr 16 23:42:12 why do you want to get rid of them? Apr 16 23:44:36 I can't get the meta-doctor to write to my device. Apr 16 23:44:52 device as in your pre? Apr 16 23:44:56 Even with the new tokens in the castle.xml and (supposely) baked into the jar. Apr 16 23:45:11 it's a Pre+ with Sprint Comm Board Apr 16 23:45:12 is it a frankenpre? Apr 16 23:45:16 ah ok.. Apr 16 23:45:19 yes Apr 16 23:45:36 doctor says my device is not compatible. Apr 16 23:45:37 PatrickC_Pre2: what is Davide-NYC trying to do? Apr 16 23:45:46 what language did you select? Apr 16 23:46:04 I had a working frankenpre which was dropped and started to randomly reboot Apr 16 23:46:06 M4X: he is trying to doctor a frankenpre+ Apr 16 23:46:28 I purchased a replacement VZW pre+ and swapped the comm board and keyboard onto the new donor pre+ Apr 16 23:46:54 I built a meta-doctor using the appropriate script and it failed. Apr 16 23:47:18 oil, rwhitby? Apr 16 23:47:21 it wouldn't build? Apr 16 23:47:54 I then recovered my tokens, wrote them into the castle.xml file. built the meta-doctor according to the instructions at the end of the Sprint_Pre_Plus wiki page. Apr 16 23:48:19 Running that last doctor still gives me the incompatible device error. Apr 16 23:48:27 THat's the whole story thus far. Apr 16 23:48:34 I have no clue, sorry.. I haven't done a frankenpre conversion yet Apr 16 23:48:57 so the doctor was built and you are getting the error in the doctor itself as in the gui not cli Apr 16 23:49:52 ? Apr 16 23:50:02 yes Apr 16 23:50:13 in the doctor what language did you select? Apr 16 23:50:20 English - US Apr 16 23:50:24 dont Apr 16 23:50:25 use the default Apr 16 23:50:38 english uk Apr 16 23:51:01 I'm trying that. Apr 16 23:51:03 why does he have to use english uk? I use english us Apr 16 23:51:04 i believe that was my problem to begin with it said the same thing and then i used the uk irleand default selection and it worked Apr 16 23:51:20 in the setup for the pre it will give you the option for us dictionary Apr 16 23:51:37 i have no idea what it would do with it tbh it just worked for me. Apr 16 23:53:27 any luck? Apr 16 23:53:35 not sure Apr 16 23:53:52 Nope. No good. Apr 16 23:53:57 halfhalo: ping! Apr 16 23:54:06 damn. Apr 16 23:54:13 what Apr 16 23:54:27 can you help Davide-NYC? Apr 16 23:54:44 with what Apr 16 23:54:50 meta-doctor for frankenpre+ to 2.1 issue Apr 16 23:56:15 I can't get into the recovery mode. It goes from the USB icon to the penguin and the doctor tells me I have an incompatible device. Apr 16 23:57:25 Prior to this procedure the donor pre+ had the original VZW comm board in it and I had loaded it with 2.1.0 using the appropriate meta-doctor script. Apr 16 23:58:11 so I'm trying to 2.1.0 doctor a previously 2.1.0 doctored pre+ just swapping the comm board so I can use it on sprint. Apr 16 23:58:45 As it stands now I can use the phone and the web through spring for some crazy reason, but I have the wrong carrier apps installed. Apr 16 23:58:51 *sprint Apr 17 00:02:59 I'm in bootie through novacom Apr 17 00:04:11 can I do anything from here? force overwrite of the firmware or something like that? Apr 17 00:04:59 I'm not sure Apr 17 00:08:32 I am really stuck here. Apr 17 00:08:53 $15 to anyone that can help me. Apr 17 00:09:23 wow Apr 17 00:10:02 u cant be using the sprint pre2 doctor till u fix your tokens Apr 17 00:10:26 u have the wrong carrier apps cause your phone is vzw still Apr 17 00:10:37 so u really have the correct carrier apps for the type of phone u have Apr 17 00:11:56 PuffTheMagic: I'm not trying to do a frankenPre2, just a sprintprePlu Apr 17 00:12:00 *Plus Apr 17 00:12:16 its the same procedure basically Apr 17 00:12:42 I followed what I found at the bottom of this page: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_Pre_Plus Apr 17 00:13:16 well u obviously messed something up in this process Apr 17 00:15:32 Is there a way to completely wipe the device (short of recovery mode) and starting over? Apr 17 00:15:52 you mean.... doctoring your phone? Apr 17 00:16:54 take it easy, I'm just trying to get back on my feet here. Apr 17 00:17:17 your phone has what OS on it right now? Apr 17 00:17:28 2.1.0 Apr 17 00:18:38 so if u followed that wiki u should have a castle.xml file.... Apr 17 00:18:45 I do Apr 17 00:18:56 what is DMCARRIER set to? Apr 17 00:19:21 Sprint Apr 17 00:20:15 what about DMMODEL Apr 17 00:20:32 P100EWW Apr 17 00:21:21 DMSETS? Apr 17 00:21:42 No such token Apr 17 00:22:12 my tokens were pulled from my sprint pre from before there were any utilities to help with the process. Apr 17 00:22:45 So I just have the individual text files from the tokens folder in a zip file. Apr 17 00:22:56 did u actually edit the meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 file as directed? Apr 17 00:23:50 can you novaterm into your phone? Apr 17 00:24:06 yes. I found the DMSETS file, should I add it to my custom castle.xml file? Apr 17 00:24:14 yes I can novaterm into the phone Apr 17 00:24:31 what was the first yes in regards to? Apr 17 00:25:10 whether or not I actually edited the meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 script Apr 17 00:25:14 * PatrickC_Pre2 is lost Apr 17 00:25:26 novaterm in and do 'cat /tmp/tokens/DMCARRIER' if that does not say Sprint you failed somewhere in the instructions for fixing your Apr 17 00:25:39 tokens Apr 17 00:28:32 oh brother, now novacom is unable to find device. Apr 17 00:28:37 was working a minute ago Apr 17 00:40:54 is the path correct for castle.xml? Apr 17 00:41:28 is castle.xml supposed to be in the meta-doctor folder? Apr 17 00:46:27 OK, my tokens are wrong on the device. But I can't seem to write the correct tokens to the device. This much is clear. Apr 17 00:47:11 that was always clear ;) Apr 17 00:49:14 should I do a pastebin of the output? Apr 17 00:49:47 what output Apr 17 00:51:26 I can give either the novaterm output while I'm trying to run the doctor and/or the output to the console that built and ran the doctor (does that make any sense?) Apr 17 00:51:48 it makes sense but i dont want either Apr 17 00:52:09 im pretty sure you didnt edit the script properly Apr 17 00:53:27 Davide-NYC: how many times had you tried the procedure? Apr 17 00:54:26 dunno, six? Apr 17 00:54:39 I canged only this one line in the script: $make ${ARGS} CUSTOM_XML=castle.xml clobber-build all || exit Apr 17 00:56:09 and how are u running the script? Apr 17 00:57:01 ./scripts/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 Apr 17 00:57:50 and if I unpack the resulting jar file and look inside the webos tar I find that the castle.xml file contains my tokens. Apr 17 00:58:08 they're just not able to be written to the device for some reason. Apr 17 00:58:49 is there a way to disable the token checking? Apr 17 01:00:15 This is what the terminal throws: http://pastebin.com/8x9rRgs3 Apr 17 01:01:02 you prob need to be using that xml trick on a vzw doctor Apr 17 01:01:38 Aha! Thanks. I'm off to try that. Apr 17 01:02:44 I can use the same castle.xml right? Apr 17 01:02:55 ya Apr 17 01:04:54 then after the vzw doctor I run the meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 doctor. correct? Apr 17 01:05:04 * Davide-NYC what an ordeal! Apr 17 01:05:19 ya Apr 17 01:05:42 its only an ordeal cause u ran the wrong doctor 6 times ;) Apr 17 01:05:44 PuffTheMagic: I thank you very very much regardless of the outcome. Apr 17 01:06:06 you will get it Apr 17 01:06:32 i am glad i got a pre2 doesn't seem as involved Apr 17 01:10:16 should be the exact same issue if u were using it on sprint Apr 17 01:10:42 hm. Apr 17 01:10:44 the flash of the phone has vzw tokens and u need to get sprint tokens on it Apr 17 01:10:52 nah got unlocked gsm model Apr 17 01:10:57 but i assume same deal then. Apr 17 01:11:05 same difference Apr 17 01:12:58 thank you. from what i understand Davide-NYC was using the wrong doctor hense the error for wrong device? Apr 17 01:14:55 i am out of here guise.. ttyl Apr 17 01:19:56 PuffTheMagic: did the guy ever fix his frankenpre+? Apr 17 01:20:22 "that guy" is still here Apr 17 01:20:47 I didn't see his nick in the "online" list.. Apr 17 01:20:52 I am in the process which is more than I could say a while ago. Apr 17 01:21:11 o.. sorry, now I see it :o Apr 17 01:21:47 did you get the token issue fixed? Apr 17 01:21:58 I'd love to be able to interact more with the installer. Something like "token mismatch! ignore?" Apr 17 01:22:58 PatrickC_Pre2: I do not know yet. I'm running a VZW doctor with Sprint tokens in it to subsequently run a proper sprint meta 2.1.0 doctor. Apr 17 01:23:15 ah ok, good luck Apr 17 01:23:47 there's got to be a way to tell the installer to ignore mismatches, musn't there? Apr 17 01:27:08 so I'm doctoring a pre+ with Sprint comm boards using a VZW doctor with sprint tokens. Apr 17 01:28:57 If I wanted to remove the sprint apps (because all of them suck) would I just comment out the lines with the IPKs in them? Apr 17 02:12:44 * th3vo1d stumbles in and knocks over the keg Apr 17 02:26:48 * phil_GOBLAZERS wanders by Apr 17 02:27:35 Just FYI: I'm back in business. Thanks to all that helped. Apr 17 02:29:49 dtzWill: did you get my message about my orange key success? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Apr 17 02:59:58 2011