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Apr 17 03:11:37 <sharmon2> Is it okay if I ask a question about upgrading to 2.1 on a Sprint Palm Pre?  I've tried the forums without any success.  I've been through a somewhat interesting story.
Apr 17 03:12:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> what's up?
Apr 17 03:14:56 <sharmon2> Well had upgraded to 2.1 from 1.4.5 and all was going great.  Really enjoying the setup.  Overclocking was going smooth, life was good.  All of a sudden started getting really weird signal issues with rapid battery drain.  I started to think that maybe it was 2.1 or an old PRL.  Spent a long time getting the PRL updated, finally worked.  No luck with signal.  Next I doctored back to 1.4.5.  No luck.  Called Spri
Apr 17 03:14:57 <sharmon2> nt, only to find out there is a tower down (ha!)
Apr 17 03:15:28 <sharmon2> So... now I'm trying to get back to 2.1, only now I'm getting really weird profile log-in issues.
Apr 17 03:15:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> erase backup data and try again I believe is the fix for that
Apr 17 03:16:11 <sharmon2> I have been erasing backup data each time I went back and forth
Apr 17 03:16:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> hrmm
Apr 17 03:16:25 <sharmon2> My thoughts too
Apr 17 03:16:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> do you have data connection?
Apr 17 03:16:34 <sharmon2> I did the wipe of the build folder
Apr 17 03:16:48 <sharmon2> I'm connected to a cell tower yes
Apr 17 03:16:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> but do you have data?
Apr 17 03:16:59 <sharmon2> Not sure it's a data tower though
Apr 17 03:17:10 <sharmon2> Has a 1x next to it
Apr 17 03:17:13 <sharmon2> if that helps at all
Apr 17 03:17:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm.. low speed data
Apr 17 03:17:28 <sharmon2> My guess yeah
Apr 17 03:17:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm not sure if you can log into a profile on 1x...
Apr 17 03:17:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> it is lo speed data, EV is 3G
Apr 17 03:17:59 <sharmon2> Yeah
Apr 17 03:18:04 <sharmon2> Think it is low speed data
Apr 17 03:18:07 <sharmon2> EV is 3G
Apr 17 03:18:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> destinal: you here?
Apr 17 03:18:25 <sharmon2> But how about the irony of having it be a downed tower?  Is that great or what haha
Apr 17 03:18:26 <destinal> PatrickC_Pre2: hey
Apr 17 03:18:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> can you log into a profile over 1x?
Apr 17 03:18:56 <destinal> you should be able to log into a profile over any data connection at all
Apr 17 03:19:04 <destinal> it may be sloow on some though
Apr 17 03:19:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> hrmm... sharmon2 can't..
Apr 17 03:20:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> he said that he has a 1x connection, but is getting weird profile login errors
Apr 17 03:20:15 <sharmon2> Maybe not weird, but it just won't accept my login
Apr 17 03:20:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> and he said he erased backup data too...
Apr 17 03:21:12 * phil_bw wanders back by
Apr 17 03:21:20 <sharmon2> Is it worth trying to bypass the login and then set it up afterward (if that is even possible)
Apr 17 03:21:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> it is, if its a wifi only phone
Apr 17 03:21:56 * PatrickC_Pre2 sticks foot out but fails to trip
Apr 17 03:21:56 <sharmon2> No I need cellular service.
Apr 17 03:22:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> then afaik, you can't bypass the login
Apr 17 03:22:18 <sharmon2> Phone is activiated as well.
Apr 17 03:22:21 <sharmon2> Okay
Apr 17 03:22:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> destinal: any idea?
Apr 17 03:22:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> and this is a fresh doctor, correct?
Apr 17 03:23:06 <sharmon2> Fresh doctor meaning?
Apr 17 03:23:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> just recently doctored
Apr 17 03:23:20 <sharmon2> Yes
Apr 17 03:23:33 <sharmon2> Bringing me right to the profile screen
Apr 17 03:23:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok, what OS was the doctor built with?
Apr 17 03:23:50 <sharmon2> webOS internals metadoctor
Apr 17 03:23:58 <sharmon2> and the guide from the internals wiki
Apr 17 03:24:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> did you build the doctor with Windows, OSX, or Linux?
Apr 17 03:24:22 <sharmon2> ubuntu linux
Apr 17 03:24:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok.. hmm
Apr 17 03:24:56 <sharmon2> also ran the git pull and make clobber
Apr 17 03:25:10 <sharmon2> to wipe the build folder
Apr 17 03:25:15 <sharmon2> and then rebuild the doctor
Apr 17 03:26:21 <sharmon2> So far I've doctored from 2.1 down to 1.4.5 and was able to sign in just fine.  Then up to 2.1 and couldn't sign in.  Back down to 1.4.5 where I had trouble but then it finally let me in.  Back to 2.1 and stuck.  Now redoctoring on 2.1 to see what happens again.
Apr 17 03:27:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> and you did erase backup data when on 1.4.5 before moving to 2.1 this time, correct?
Apr 17 03:27:10 <sharmon2> Yep
Apr 17 03:28:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm....
Apr 17 03:28:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> I would try doctoring again
Apr 17 03:29:04 <sharmon2> Down to 1.4.5 with backup data erase?
Apr 17 03:29:13 <sharmon2> Or redoctoring 2.1?
Apr 17 03:29:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> I would try the 2.1 first, then back to 1.4.5 with a backup data erase if the 2.1 doctor doesn't fix it..
Apr 17 03:29:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> is it a frankenpre?
Apr 17 03:30:11 <sharmon2> Not a frankenpre
Apr 17 03:30:37 <sharmon2> That's what I'll do then.
Apr 17 03:30:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok.. and I'm not the most knowledgeable person on here ;) just a fyi.. but I'm the only active one atm lol
Apr 17 03:31:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> I've done the sprint doctor to 2.1 3 times though
Apr 17 03:31:16 <sharmon2> No worries, I appreciate what help you can give.
Apr 17 03:31:32 <sharmon2> Any ideas when people are more active?
Apr 17 03:31:45 <sharmon2> And is this the type of place for this question or should I take it to the forums?
Apr 17 03:31:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, it varies, we are located across the globe
Apr 17 03:31:57 <sharmon2> Right right.
Apr 17 03:32:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> this is better then the forums imho
Apr 17 03:32:14 <sharmon2> Okay
Apr 17 03:32:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> oil, PuffTheMagic: any help on this?
Apr 17 03:35:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> I've gotta get to bed, I'll be on tomorrow though.. what timezone are you located in?
Apr 17 03:35:39 <sharmon2> CST in the US
Apr 17 03:35:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> and if you can, I would just wait on here for someone to respond..
Apr 17 03:35:48 <sharmon2> Okay
Apr 17 03:36:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok, we are the same TimeZone, so I'll be on tomorrow about 2-3PM probably
Apr 17 03:36:34 <sharmon2> Sounds good.
Apr 17 03:36:36 <sharmon2> Thanks again
Apr 17 03:36:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm.. now I have a question :p
Apr 17 03:36:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> np
Apr 17 03:37:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> I have SR71, AND F104a installed...
Apr 17 03:37:15 <sharmon2> Ok
Apr 17 03:37:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> but 1.1GHz is my max lol...
Apr 17 03:37:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll deal with that tomorrow.. lol
Apr 17 03:37:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> cya
Apr 17 03:50:27 <sharmon2> So after it failing to log in once, the second attempt worked.  I have no idea what's going on.  But I'm happy that it is now working on 2.1
Apr 17 09:27:34 <Simpson_2> hi
Apr 17 09:27:51 <Simpson_2> is there anybody working on a app catalog solution for non official providers ?
Apr 17 09:36:39 <cryptk> Simpson_2, not really all that possible, that's why we have Preware
Apr 17 09:37:25 <cryptk> I mean technically anything is possible, but it is more trouble than it is worth, considering that preware will let you know about official app updates, display official apps, etc
Apr 17 09:38:54 <Simpson_2> and how about buying apps ?
Apr 17 09:39:05 <Simpson_2> because that is frustrating me
Apr 17 09:42:46 <cryptk> oh, you meant non official phone providers
Apr 17 09:42:52 <cryptk> not non-official app-providers
Apr 17 09:43:12 <cryptk> as in you live somewhere random, for example Fiji, and you would like access to the US app catalog
Apr 17 09:43:18 <cryptk> or some other paid app catalog
Apr 17 09:43:28 <Simpson_2> ack
Apr 17 09:43:41 <cryptk> if you have a phone that has never been activated, talk to rwhitby, he has some meathod of activating a phone for the US app cat
Apr 17 09:43:42 <Simpson_2> the phone is not available in my country, I imported it
Apr 17 09:43:46 <cryptk> I don't know the details myself
Apr 17 09:43:56 <cryptk> but I do know it only works on a phone that has never been activated
Apr 17 09:44:01 <Simpson_2> I understood there was work on some patch
Apr 17 09:44:32 <SineOt> has it been activated yet?
Apr 17 09:44:33 <rwhitby> Simpson_2: has the phone ever had a Palm Profile on it since it was manufactured?
Apr 17 09:45:00 <Simpson_2> I've been using it for a while :)
Apr 17 09:45:38 <rwhitby> Simpson_2: that's not an answer to my question
Apr 17 09:46:02 <Simpson_2> I need a profile to use it don't I?
Apr 17 09:46:58 <rwhitby> Simpson_2: that's not an answer to my question either
Apr 17 09:47:59 <Simpson_2> I would conclude yes
Apr 17 09:52:06 <Simpson_2> so...
Apr 17 09:52:39 <rwhitby> so you haven't answered the question yet, so I can't give you any further help.
Apr 17 09:53:11 <Simpson_2> so what do you wanna hear ?
Apr 17 09:53:14 <Simpson_2> yes ?
Apr 17 09:53:21 <rwhitby> Simpson_2: has the phone ever had a Palm Profile on it since it was manufactured?
Apr 17 09:53:36 <Simpson_2> yes ?
Apr 17 09:54:09 <rwhitby> it's a simple question.  not sure what reason you have not to give a simple answer the first time it was asked ...
Apr 17 09:54:30 <rwhitby> meh
Apr 17 09:58:10 * Simpson_2 simply refrains from comment
Apr 17 10:00:12 <rwhitby-away> Simpson_2: The procedure is fairly complex, and requires precise following of directions.  Based on the interaction with you so far, I need to consider whether that will happen, rather than waste my time like the last guy who didn't have a straight answer to that simple question.
Apr 17 10:00:55 <rwhitby-away> When you have a definite answer to the question, without playing cat and mouse, we can restart the discussion.
Apr 17 10:01:08 <cryptk> it is a simple question, have you ever created a palm profile, or logged into a palm profile, on that phone
Apr 17 10:01:24 <rwhitby-away> cryptk: that is not the question
Apr 17 10:01:37 <rwhitby-away> "has the phone ever had a Palm Profile on it since it was manufactured?"
Apr 17 10:01:58 <cryptk> true, so if you got it used, it may not have been you
Apr 17 10:03:07 <Simpson_2> I got it new, a european pre+ and there is no way on these GSM phones to use it without profile
Apr 17 10:03:29 <rwhitby-away> Simpson_2: that is not correct.  You can use any webOS device without a profile.
Apr 17 10:04:38 <rwhitby-away> So instead of answering the question that you think I'm asking, or answering some other question, how about answering the actual question asked.
Apr 17 10:04:41 <Simpson_2> anyway it was more a question if it was possible at all, considering the fact you seem to have Jedi skills to do it, i'd rather not I need the phone productivly
Apr 17 10:05:39 <rwhitby-away> ok, then it's not possible.
Apr 17 10:06:36 <Simpson_2> good
Apr 17 10:06:53 <Simpson_2> any news on a new alpha of linphone ??
Apr 17 11:01:34 <theneb_> Hi all, are there are guides/tips/blogs about porting iOS OpenGL games to WebOS?
Apr 17 11:02:02 <theneb_> What I'm looking for is replacement libraries to cover the different framework gap. ie UIKIT
Apr 17 15:28:20 <Davide-NYC> can I use tokens from one VZWPre+ and write them to another VZWPre+? I failed to keep the token from my second donor VZWPre+ and would like to avoid diong yet another comm board swap.
Apr 17 16:35:41 <roy-pre101> Does anyone remember the name of the app that can export your tokens for you?
Apr 17 16:36:39 <roy-pre101> Show Properties?
Apr 17 16:37:09 <roy-pre101> that's it
Apr 17 18:05:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok, my phone shows I have 2 kernels installed.. but govnah only lets me scale up to the high end of the lower kernel (does that make sense?)
Apr 17 18:06:17 <PuffTheMagic> no
Apr 17 18:06:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> my phone shows I have F104, and SR71 kernels installed
Apr 17 18:07:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> but the max speed I can set my CPU to is 1.1GHz, the highest that F104 can go, not the highest SR71 can
Apr 17 18:08:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> I have screenshots if that would make it easier to understand
Apr 17 18:08:24 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC_Pre2, u should never had 2 installed
Apr 17 18:08:32 <PuffTheMagic> that is problem #1
Apr 17 18:08:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know that...
Apr 17 18:08:37 <PuffTheMagic> well...
Apr 17 18:08:39 <PuffTheMagic> u should fix that
Apr 17 18:08:44 <PuffTheMagic> before doing anything else
Apr 17 18:08:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> I installed the first one (SR71) and removed it via palm-install -r
Apr 17 18:09:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> and when the phone finally did boot, it showed as not installed
Apr 17 18:09:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> then I installed F104A, and rebooted.. everything was fine, till I saw I had 2 kernels installed...
Apr 17 18:09:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> I didn't do it on purpose..
Apr 17 18:11:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm gonna try and remove SR71
Apr 17 18:23:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> removed it, worked fine
Apr 17 18:58:03 <roy-pre101> Trying to frankenpre this pre2 and it's failing at 12% always.  Think wiping the USB will fix that?
Apr 17 19:26:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> roy-pre101: not sure, try it?
Apr 17 19:27:41 <roy-pre101> That fixed it
Apr 17 19:27:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool
Apr 17 19:46:52 <roy-pre101> Hmm, not getting EV on this device after frankenpre'ing it.
Apr 17 19:47:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm..
Apr 17 19:48:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> I forget what you do to fix that..
Apr 17 20:12:58 <roy-pre101> rwhitby-away: Let me know when you're awake!
Apr 17 21:32:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay nuttybuny
Apr 17 21:35:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay rwhitby
Apr 17 21:44:01 <NuttyBunny> hey Rod :)
Apr 17 21:44:05 <NuttyBunny> Hey Patrick
Apr 17 21:44:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> how's compiling comin?
Apr 17 21:44:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> I see your gf didn't kill you last night ;)
Apr 17 21:45:29 <NuttyBunny> I'm playing around with some backup that came into my hands ... have to clean it up, the guy didn't erase his data first :S
Apr 17 21:47:32 <NuttyBunny> And, I'm trying to set up a compiling environment as similar as the one Greg uses (he uses the optware stuff, I'm going with WIDK). I'm pretty sure there's a missing flag somewhere, I can't believe the plugins work fine with his instructions and I can't make it work with 2 diferent versions of the compiler :@
Apr 17 21:58:01 <ajay> paz!
Apr 17 21:58:20 <NuttyBunny> zaz!
Apr 17 21:58:27 <NuttyBunny> rb
Apr 17 21:59:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> hope you can get it working..
Apr 17 22:57:45 <cal> i have been not receiving texts from anyone for the last couple days (although I can send them) since my pre is homebrewed, thought I would check here for any ideas before I call sprint?
Apr 17 23:00:41 <summatusmentis> are you on 1x?
Apr 17 23:01:18 <cal> at this very moment? its on 1x yes because its an airrave
Apr 17 23:01:31 <cal> i havent gotten them for the last couple days though, and have been out and about
Apr 17 23:02:34 <summatusmentis> when an cdma phone has an active data connection on 1x, you won't receive calls/texts
Apr 17 23:03:04 <summatusmentis> but this doesn't sound like that
Apr 17 23:03:15 <cal> well, at home its also connected to my wifi
Apr 17 23:03:40 <cal> is there any log i can check? other than /var/log/messages
Apr 17 23:04:11 <summatusmentis> that I don't know. Are to underclocking at all?
Apr 17 23:04:31 <cal> _under_? lol
Apr 17 23:04:35 <cal> i am overclocked to 1ghz
Apr 17 23:04:40 <summatusmentis> I also noticed when I would screenstate 250/800, at 250 my phone would not notify me
Apr 17 23:04:52 <cal> thats odd
Apr 17 23:05:19 <summatusmentis> I think for whatever reason, the scheduler wouldn't ever get to the notification stuff it needed to run
Apr 17 23:05:34 <summatusmentis> but if you're not underclocking, it's not that either
Apr 17 23:05:39 <summatusmentis> have you tried updating your PRL?
Apr 17 23:16:13 <cal> PRL?
Apr 17 23:21:53 <summatusmentis> cal: Preferred Roaming List (iirc)
Apr 17 23:21:59 <summatusmentis> it's how your phone knows what towers to talk to
Apr 17 23:31:54 <cal> i  guess what i really need to know is, how do i update it?
Apr 17 23:33:53 <summatusmentis> I think it's in Phone->preferences
Apr 18 00:05:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> cal: what phone OS? 1.4.5 or 2.1?
Apr 18 00:28:30 <cal> 1.4.5
Apr 18 00:28:36 <cal> i wish sprint had 2.1 lol
Apr 18 00:29:19 <Graffix> afraid to give it a shot?
Apr 18 00:29:52 <Graffix> 2.1 that is?
Apr 18 00:34:43 <cal> i just havent looked into it
Apr 18 00:34:57 <cal> sounds like a long process
Apr 18 00:35:31 <cal> and would have to reinstall all my themes and apps and patches
Apr 18 00:36:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> its not that long
Apr 18 00:36:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> and just use save/restore
Apr 18 00:37:50 <cal> yaeh I should try it
Apr 18 00:39:19 <rwhitby> you'd have to reinstall theme and patches even if sprint had 2.1, and preware saved package list handles the apps.
Apr 18 00:41:09 <cal> preware wants me to install a webos 2 app lol
Apr 18 00:41:22 <cal> javascript library
Apr 18 00:41:55 <rwhitby> the author of that app must not have set the MinWebOSVersion flag correctly
Apr 18 00:42:20 <cal> Homebrew JS Service Framework - Jason Robataille
Apr 18 00:42:40 <rwhitby> you should alert him
Apr 18 00:43:28 <rwhitby> but more importantly, it should also be set on the app that depended on it
Apr 18 00:44:50 <rwhitby> preware allows whatever the apps say is allowable for them
Apr 18 01:13:10 * NuttyBunny plays with Impostah :D
Apr 18 01:56:30 * phil_bw wanders by
Apr 18 01:59:08 <m0ngr31> has anyone had problems getting novacom working on debian?
Apr 18 02:01:17 <m0ngr31> i'm getting this error:
Apr 18 02:01:33 <m0ngr31> start: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused
Apr 18 02:02:29 <NuttyBunny> mmm.... ps ax | grep novacom
Apr 18 02:04:28 <m0ngr31> 6615 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep novacom
Apr 18 02:05:03 <NuttyBunny> so, novacomd is not running
Apr 18 02:05:51 <Loudergood> m0ngr31: debian doesn't use upstart
Apr 18 02:06:24 <m0ngr31> yeah, it won't start. when i installed it, i got this: /var/lib/dpkg/info/palm-novacom.postinst: 36: start: not found
Apr 18 02:06:45 <m0ngr31> so i tried installing upstart, then i got the error i posted earlier
Apr 18 02:06:46 <NuttyBunny> start it manually
Apr 18 02:06:55 <NuttyBunny> nohup /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd &
Apr 18 02:08:31 <Loudergood> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accessing_Linux_Debian
Apr 18 02:09:05 <m0ngr31> still says it's not running
Apr 18 02:09:10 <NuttyBunny> mmm...
Apr 18 02:09:22 <NuttyBunny> run it without the  nohup
Apr 18 02:09:26 <NuttyBunny> /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd
Apr 18 02:09:36 <Loudergood> yes that should work fine
Apr 18 02:09:36 <NuttyBunny> does it say anything?
Apr 18 02:09:40 <Loudergood> that's what I used to do
Apr 18 02:10:14 <NuttyBunny> lol
Apr 18 02:13:03 <m0ngr31>  7365 pts/1    S+     0:00 sudo /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd  7366 pts/1    Sl+    0:00 /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd  7372 pts/2    S+     0:00 grep novacom
Apr 18 02:13:14 <m0ngr31> so looks like that works
Apr 18 02:13:18 <m0ngr31> thanks!
Apr 18 02:13:30 <NuttyBunny> excellent
Apr 18 02:14:29 <NuttyBunny> I need a 2.x only app (not voices, another one)
Apr 18 02:15:03 <summatusmentis> NuttyBunny: iirc, Koto Player is 2.0 on
Apr 18 02:15:05 <summatusmentis> only*
Apr 18 02:15:06 <SineOt> Koto Player?
Apr 18 02:15:15 <NuttyBunny> Ah, nice..
Apr 18 02:15:20 * NuttyBunny searches
Apr 18 02:16:19 <NuttyBunny> Excellent, thanks! :)  $30 pesos
Apr 18 02:18:45 <m0ngr31> have any of you guys used phonegap?
Apr 18 02:54:44 <phil_bw> my goodness irc has not been working well on my pre
Apr 18 02:54:49 <phil_bw> anyone around?
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