**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 25 02:59:57 2011
Apr 25 03:11:03 <NickNick> the crickets in here tonight are putting me to sleep
Apr 25 03:11:18 <NickNick> so adeu
Apr 25 07:42:22 <r_e> hey, so I think I found a preware bug. I was installing a theme and I was browsing the launcher when I accidentally tapped on the preware icon. it brought up preware, but stopped the theme install before it finished
Apr 25 07:43:15 <r_e> now I have a theme installed, but its not recognized as being installed in preware
Apr 25 13:56:13 <Nick> hello?
Apr 25 13:56:56 <Guest65847> hello!
Apr 25 14:01:13 <Guest65847> he's jerkin in the front seat, trying to abduct me, I'm wearing crotchless panties
Apr 25 14:49:33 <RagingMind> keith, no need for qpst to change nvram options
Apr 25 14:50:48 <RagingMind> it would take me a while, but there's a post in one of the threads that has instructions on how to use PmModemUpdater to change the options
Apr 25 14:52:44 <RagingMind> *a while to find it
Apr 25 15:40:53 <webfellow> hey all, after i got my dev phone, i turned it into a sprint franken-pre 2 (about a week ag) but for all the tinkering i've tried, it hasn't wanted to connect via wifi ... is there any known issue/fix for something like this?  I can re-doctor np, but thought it was an interesting situation that might be worth exploring.
Apr 25 16:05:57 <destinal> webfellow: never heard of that.  did you swap the whole back including the antennas along with the comm board?
Apr 25 16:06:50 <webfellow> yep, had to, the antenna is soldered to the comm board wires :)
Apr 25 16:07:16 <destinal> and does the CDMA modem part work?
Apr 25 16:07:21 <destinal> ie you can connect to sprint?
Apr 25 16:07:25 <webfellow> i figured it hadn't been heard of before, and i couldn't find anything on a search
Apr 25 16:07:31 <webfellow> yep def connects to sprint
Apr 25 16:08:29 <destinal> hmmmm, definitely a new one on me (though I haven't personally done the swap, I've never heard reports of wifi being an issue when CDMA works after a swap)
Apr 25 16:08:47 <destinal> did you change any tokens?
Apr 25 16:09:03 <webfellow> didn't change any tokens
Apr 25 16:09:24 <destinal> yeah, you shouldn't have to I think, thought if you did maybe it had to do with it
Apr 25 16:09:28 <webfellow> do you know of any settings i could check to ensure things are setup properly?
Apr 25 16:09:29 <destinal> hmmm
Apr 25 16:09:43 <webfellow> yeah :/
Apr 25 16:11:14 <webfellow> i'm a software qa developer by trade, so i can't help but be curious to find answers for obscure issues. any thing you have is appreciated, but i do understand that this is something strange.
Apr 25 16:12:20 <destinal> webfellow: maybe rwhitby-away or someone else more experienced in making sprint pre2's will have ideas of what to check...
Apr 25 16:13:21 <webfellow> yep, hoping to talk to whomever has ideas, i'll ping back later, thanks for the input.
Apr 25 16:23:56 <kevets> man. trying to re-doctor with the verizon 1.4.5 image just to get back to stock pre plus and getting more than halfway through doctor process when it goes "we were unable to reset your phone"
Apr 25 16:24:04 <kevets> anyone get this before?
Apr 25 16:26:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> did you log the doctor?
Apr 25 16:27:47 <kevets> i don't think so, just ran it normally. does it log by default?
Apr 25 16:34:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> kevets: run it from the command line
Apr 25 16:34:42 <kevets> ok will try
Apr 25 16:34:56 <kevets> i see a palmwebosrecoverytoollog0.log.0 in my temp folder
Apr 25 16:34:58 <kevets> Apr 25, 2011 12:21:32 PM com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.CardController postFlashEvent
Apr 25 16:34:58 <kevets> WARNING: Flash Failure
Apr 25 16:34:58 <kevets> err -1 "Error Updating Modem Firmware!!!"
Apr 25 16:34:58 <kevets> 	at com.palm.nova.installer.core.stages.ModemUpdateStage.run(ModemUpdateStage.java:115)
Apr 25 16:34:58 <kevets> 	at com.palm.nova.installer.core.FlasherThread.run(FlasherThread.java:267)
Apr 25 16:34:58 <kevets> 	at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
Apr 25 16:36:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> looks like it can't update the modem firmware.. but that's all I can pull out
Apr 25 16:37:34 <kevets> would that happen if it doesn't have signal? running it from cmd line now
Apr 25 16:40:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> not sure.. destinal?
Apr 25 17:25:47 <destinal> kevets: PatrickC_Pre2: nope, nothing to do with signal
Apr 25 17:26:58 <kevets> hmm... i may have to stop the vz store then - i am scratching my head
Apr 25 17:27:15 <kevets> it pulls down bars and i can *228, but no 3G to log in to profile
Apr 25 17:27:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm.. thx destinal
Apr 25 17:36:00 <kevets> yeah it's pretty wacked out right now. also i wasn't having much luck with trying to metadoctor it and getting the update to work
Apr 25 17:44:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> you are starting in recovery mode? right? that *might* have a different affect and make it work...
Apr 25 17:46:46 <kevets> holding the volume rocker up thing?
Apr 25 17:46:53 <kevets> yeah that is how i powered it on
Apr 25 17:47:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> and got the USB symbol?
Apr 25 17:47:15 <kevets> yes
Apr 25 17:47:55 <kevets> and when i hit next it goes and the screen shows the chip icon with the arrow for a while
Apr 25 17:47:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok, then you were in Recovery Mode.. I have no clue why the doctor keeps failing...
Apr 25 17:48:05 <kevets> then when it stops the log doesn't change and i have to pull the battery
Apr 25 17:48:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> that's what it should do
Apr 25 17:48:12 <kevets> *logo
Apr 25 17:49:19 <kevets> should i just learn how to get the meta doctor to work and that will let me bypass this stuff?
Apr 25 17:50:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> if you bypass first-use, I believe the phone will not activate.. afaik
Apr 25 17:51:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> but I'm not 100% on that
Apr 25 17:51:45 <kevets> ah
Apr 25 17:51:59 <kevets> might just have to go to the store
Apr 25 17:52:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> is it on 2.1 atm?
Apr 25 17:52:49 <kevets> it was on 1.4.5 but i got frustrated last night when it stopped connecting to 3g/data
Apr 25 17:53:16 <kevets> and uninstalled all my patches then when that didn't work i did a reset of all settings to try and put it back to square one
Apr 25 17:53:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> weird....
Apr 25 17:57:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> kevets: can you paste your whole log?
Apr 25 17:57:48 <NuttyBunny> ok, ok... it can't connect to WIFI???!!   I thought the problem was with cell data ;)
Apr 25 17:59:02 <kevets> yea i can
Apr 25 17:59:19 <NuttyBunny> ah, ok... re-reading the backlog, hold on
Apr 25 17:59:44 <kevets> ok here http://pastebin.com/CAJW9pYj
Apr 25 17:59:53 <kevets> thought that would be cleaner :)
Apr 25 17:59:53 <RagingMind> does metadoc not download the needed doctors anymore?
Apr 25 17:59:55 <NuttyBunny> ah, you're kevets... webfellow can't connect to wifi ;)
Apr 25 18:00:26 <kevets> i went to the palm site and gave it my serial and just tried to run that straight away without doing anything more
Apr 25 18:00:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep :) lol
Apr 25 18:00:47 <kevets> webosdoctorp101ewwverizonwireless.jnlp
Apr 25 18:00:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> .jnlp?
Apr 25 18:01:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> I thought they were .jar 's
Apr 25 18:01:11 <kevets> yea that's what it gave me and it was just a downloader for the real jar apparently
Apr 25 18:01:34 <oil> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
Apr 25 18:01:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay oil
Apr 25 18:02:06 <oil> hay is for horses
Apr 25 18:02:19 <kevets> i will try the version from there...tried that one this morning but maybe i missed something
Apr 25 18:02:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/hay oil/hey oil lol/
Apr 25 18:02:36 <webfellow> NuttyBunny: haha, sorry for the confusion, feel free to let me know if you have any ideas about my issue :)
Apr 25 18:02:55 <NuttyBunny> kevets: How many times did you try to doctor your phone?
Apr 25 18:03:23 <NuttyBunny> I'd doctor it to the lowest version available and go from there, I don't know which is the lowest for Verizon... AT&T is 1.4.2
Apr 25 18:03:23 <kevets> two or three that its gave me the 'unable to update device' message
Apr 25 18:03:54 <kevets> really try older one first? i am downloading the vzw 1.4.5
Apr 25 18:03:58 <kevets> oldest is 1.3.5.1
Apr 25 18:04:22 <RagingMind> kevets, I suggest 1.4.5
Apr 25 18:04:56 <RagingMind> but going up from 1.3.5.blah is another way
Apr 25 18:05:04 <RagingMind> will take a long while for all the updates
Apr 25 18:05:22 <kevets> we'll see if this works, that would be easier
Apr 25 18:05:22 <NuttyBunny> No, no, doctor to 1.3.5 to see if the modem accepts the firmware
Apr 25 18:05:25 <NuttyBunny> then doctor to 1.4.5
Apr 25 18:05:30 <kevets> ill dl both
Apr 25 18:05:59 * NuttyBunny doesn't do OTA updates, the one time a friend tried it it borked his phone (stupid Telcel) ;)
Apr 25 18:06:24 <kevets> ooh 1.3.5.1 dl link is broken on the wiki
Apr 25 18:06:43 <RagingMind> they removed a bunch of the older doctors at one point
Apr 25 18:07:10 <kevets> getting 1.4.0 and 1.4.5
Apr 25 18:09:08 <RagingMind> fresh copy of metadoc isn't downloading files, gives me an error to do it manually
Apr 25 18:09:15 <RagingMind> but when I get it manually it still fails
Apr 25 18:09:31 <kevets> do i need metadoc?
Apr 25 18:09:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> windows?
Apr 25 18:10:13 <halfhalo> great for escaping tricky situations
Apr 25 18:10:25 <kevets> i have win7 and installed ubuntu
Apr 25 18:10:41 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: define your CARRIER and DEVICE variables on the command line
Apr 25 18:10:58 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, I did
Apr 25 18:11:10 <RagingMind> I named it the wrong thing when I downloaded it manually
Apr 25 18:11:16 <NuttyBunny> did it ever download the files automatically? I never tried :S
Apr 25 18:11:50 <RagingMind> for the meta-2.1 scripts it downloaded them automatically
Apr 25 18:12:45 <NuttyBunny> yep, the files get download ON the scripts, for the standard meta doc you have to download them and rename accordingly
Apr 25 18:13:03 <RagingMind> AH
Apr 25 18:13:06 <RagingMind> *doh*
Apr 25 18:14:50 <NuttyBunny> ## START OF AREA FOR ROD'S USE ONLY ##  <-- LOL
Apr 25 18:15:05 <RagingMind> I always thought that was funny
Apr 25 18:15:14 <oil> it used to say "FOR MY USE ONLY"
Apr 25 18:15:24 <halfhalo> lies
Apr 25 18:15:26 <RagingMind> For my eyes only?
Apr 25 18:15:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol, I haven't seen that yet
Apr 25 18:15:36 <kevets> 1.4.0 underway in recovery mode.. here goes
Apr 25 18:15:42 <RagingMind> PatrickC_Pre2, you haven't read through metadoc options enough ;)
Apr 25 18:16:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> I've only read some of them once for my pre2 metadoc :)
Apr 25 18:16:09 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: He stopped at ## END OF AREA FOR END USER CHANGES ##  :)
Apr 25 18:16:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> all the other meta-docs I've made were script'd ones
Apr 25 18:16:26 * NuttyBunny masters the Meta Doctor ;)
Apr 25 18:17:12 * NuttyBunny even has a cryptofs decrypt mode of meta doctor... for his use only, of course :D
Apr 25 18:17:39 <RagingMind> I'm gonna finally fix my BF's pixi
Apr 25 18:19:07 <NuttyBunny> what did you do to it?
Apr 25 18:19:23 <RagingMind> nothing that I'm aware of.  it was weird with preware though
Apr 25 18:19:35 <RagingMind> it would only show me version 0.2.x of wirc
Apr 25 18:20:07 <NuttyBunny> isn't it "normal"?
Apr 25 18:20:16 <NuttyBunny> that's the version I see on my Pixi as well
Apr 25 18:20:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> I am using 0.3.11
Apr 25 18:20:50 <RagingMind> hmm... maybe there's a bigger problem?  PuffTheMagic said that it should be 0.3.x
Apr 25 18:21:04 <RagingMind> so I downloaded and installed the ipk manually
Apr 25 18:21:08 <NuttyBunny> mmm... do you have the testing feeds?
Apr 25 18:21:22 <RagingMind> I tried with and without the testing feeds
Apr 25 18:21:43 <NuttyBunny> yep, in fact it should be 0.3.4 on the standard feeds..
Apr 25 18:22:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> mine is 0.3.11.. and from the testing feeds iirc
Apr 25 18:22:26 <NuttyBunny> We're talking Pixis now :P
Apr 25 18:22:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol..
Apr 25 18:22:34 <NuttyBunny> ;)
Apr 25 18:22:44 * PatrickC_Pre2 steals nuttybunny's 2.1 pixi
Apr 25 18:22:46 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, so I'm not the only on with the old wirc on pixi problem?
Apr 25 18:22:54 <RagingMind> yay! it means I didn't break something myself!
Apr 25 18:23:17 <NuttyBunny> I'll check again, yesterday I did a full erase
Apr 25 18:25:00 * NuttyBunny grumbles at freeTether... gimme my ip address..... please? ;)
Apr 25 18:25:30 <NuttyBunny> funny thing, people in the forums were right, disabling compcache makes the Pixi snappier...
Apr 25 18:26:41 <RagingMind> compcache enabled by default for what pixi versions?
Apr 25 18:27:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> bbl
Apr 25 18:27:31 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: make a quick guess, in which webOS version Compcache comes enabled with a size of 10 Mb? ;)
Apr 25 18:27:37 <kevets> damn still WARNING: Flash Failure
Apr 25 18:27:37 <kevets> err -1 "Error Updating Modem Firmware!!!"
Apr 25 18:27:48 <NuttyBunny> and... I only see wirc 0.2.4
Apr 25 18:27:50 <kevets> bah
Apr 25 18:28:02 <NuttyBunny> kevets: that's not good at all
Apr 25 18:28:09 <NuttyBunny> is it under warranty?
Apr 25 18:28:48 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, just verifying :)
Apr 25 18:28:49 <kevets> i bought it used - was working up until yesterday...
Apr 25 18:28:56 <NuttyBunny> PuffTheMagic: Piiiiiiing!!! :D
Apr 25 18:29:25 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv6/   <--- check the names for wirc, do you see the problem? :)
Apr 25 18:29:55 <destinal> kevets: you may be able to manually run the modem updater, there's a wiki article on it
Apr 25 18:30:10 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, arm instead of armv6?
Apr 25 18:30:16 <NuttyBunny> Yep
Apr 25 18:30:30 <kevets> destinal: okay sounds like something worth tryin
Apr 25 18:30:55 <RagingMind> what would mean preware is only showing v6 specific apps on the pixi and not plain arm ones that work on both?
Apr 25 18:31:09 <kevets> ModemFW Flash? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/ModemFW_Flash
Apr 25 18:31:16 <RagingMind> I noticed that when I was first playing with this pixi about a month ago
Apr 25 18:31:36 <RagingMind> but then I got my pre fixed so I kinda forgot about it...
Apr 25 18:32:17 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, maybe compcache uses a compression algo that doesn't play nice on the pixi's armv6?
Apr 25 18:35:36 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: yep, surely (about compcache), but I think (just think) that most armv7 apps could also work on armv6
Apr 25 18:37:34 <cryptk> NuttyBunny, most can, they just need a recompile
Apr 25 18:38:35 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, what's the newest save/restore you see?
Apr 25 18:42:48 <kevets> destinal: ##radio# gives me Telephony radio firmware version: CC1.6(535)
Apr 25 18:43:27 <kevets> not sure if thats good or bad but its there
Apr 25 18:47:46 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: 1.3.8 Save/restore
Apr 25 18:48:17 <NuttyBunny> kevets: Perhaps the radio is working, it's just that it isn't accepting another firmware
Apr 25 18:52:57 <ajay> whatsup!
Apr 25 18:53:46 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, it's showing the newest save/restore but not the newest wirc?
Apr 25 18:57:16 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: apparently :S
Apr 25 18:58:12 <PuffTheMagic> NuttyBunny, sup
Apr 25 19:01:09 <NuttyBunny> PuffTheMagic: Is there any reason that on the Pixis the latest version for wirc appears as 0.2.4 instead of 0.3.4?
Apr 25 19:02:05 <NuttyBunny> 0.2.4 is named "armv6" and 0.3.4 is named "arm" on the preware feed, but oddly, save/restore does appear with the latest version :S
Apr 25 19:05:29 <NuttyBunny> ah, the problem is that the packages file reports 0.2.4 only... sorry to bother you PuffTheMagic... time to bug Rod now ;)
Apr 25 19:09:33 <PuffTheMagic> dont bug him
Apr 25 19:09:37 <PuffTheMagic> your phone is messed up
Apr 25 19:09:41 <PuffTheMagic> has stale data
Apr 25 19:10:19 <RagingMind> PuffTheMagic, it's the same as my pixi was after a fresh doctor and preware install
Apr 25 19:10:27 <PuffTheMagic> ya
Apr 25 19:11:15 <PuffTheMagic> its the saved packages list or something
Apr 25 19:11:23 <RagingMind> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv6/Packages
Apr 25 19:11:45 <RagingMind> only reports 0.2.4
Apr 25 19:12:56 <NuttyBunny> I don't lie all tie time :P
Apr 25 19:27:27 <cryptk> wb infobot
Apr 25 19:27:48 <halfhalo> I give it a day before he goes away again
Apr 25 19:35:42 <kevets> oh snap gettin EV icon on my activation screen now
Apr 25 19:38:54 <kevets> wewt profile created
Apr 25 19:39:41 <NuttyBunny> kevets: how? did it work in the end?
Apr 25 19:41:21 <kevets> i didn't do anything else different just drove around did a *228 still didnt have any 3G icons then i just left it powered on at the profile log in for a while. ran ##evdo# and then noticed the EV icon was back
Apr 25 19:41:32 <kevets> very strange but i'll take it
Apr 25 19:45:38 <kevets> okay but get this... i am at 1.4.0 now under device info
Apr 25 19:45:55 <kevets> this was always running 1.4.5 and 1.4.0 is the last doctor that i tried that said it couldn't update the phone
Apr 25 19:48:07 <NuttyBunny> Did it always say that it was 1.4.0??
Apr 25 19:51:11 <kevets> when i started it was 1.4.5 so that last one must have done something even though it crapped out
Apr 25 19:54:04 <NuttyBunny> hehehe.. weird.
Apr 25 19:59:38 <t3k_no> Hello!!! :D
Apr 25 20:00:22 <t3k_no> anybody has the sprint pre (minus) running on 2.1.0???
Apr 25 20:01:41 <t3k_no> my real question, is how long did the upgrade from 1.4.5 to 2.1.0, on average, for most users, if everything went good, without a hitch???
Apr 25 20:02:15 <t3k_no> 1 hour? 6 hours? 50 hours??? lol
Apr 25 20:02:31 <RagingMind> t3k_no, it involves setting up the software to build a doctor, building it, then using it to wipe your phone with the new version
Apr 25 20:02:53 <RagingMind> so it really depends on your tech experience level and how much of that you'll have to learn to do as you go
Apr 25 20:02:56 <t3k_no> just tryin to get a feel for it, so i can plan accordingly...
Apr 25 20:03:23 <RagingMind> if you're quite tech savvy... under an hour
Apr 25 20:03:39 <t3k_no> hmmm... lol
Apr 25 20:03:49 <RagingMind> but plan for more if you're not familiar with linux
Apr 25 20:03:55 <t3k_no> im quite savvy
Apr 25 20:04:07 <t3k_no> but not well-versed with linux...
Apr 25 20:04:32 <RagingMind> it does require linux or OSX...  but it's all here http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade
Apr 25 20:04:56 <t3k_no> but i was able to install ubuntu 10.10 along side with win-vista and ran sum commands
Apr 25 20:05:50 <t3k_no> like forcing it to get the wireless drivers for my broadcom adapter via the repository..
Apr 25 20:06:45 <summatusmentis> I would plan to spend an afternoon on it at least
Apr 25 20:06:51 <RagingMind> then it shouldn't take you too long
Apr 25 20:07:07 <summatusmentis> and then I would triple check everything to make sure you've done it correctly (backed everything up, etc.)
Apr 25 20:10:01 <t3k_no> yea, i keep backing up everything, everyday, just in case i decide to take the leap..., but there's always that one moment, the point of no return, where if and once you go for it, you better go balls out... lol
Apr 25 20:11:20 <t3k_no> kinda like jumping in the river... you know how to swin, you just never know or can never anticipate how cold the water truly is, until ur completely suibmerger... lol
Apr 25 20:13:01 <t3k_no> but thx RagingMind and summatusmentis!!!
Apr 25 20:13:14 <t3k_no> I will check for this afternoon...
Apr 25 20:13:36 <summatusmentis> glad I can help
Apr 25 20:14:28 <t3k_no> i'd do it now, while im at work (semi-free-day... lol), but that means installing ubuntu at work, on a slow PC, with a slow DSL connection... lol
Apr 25 20:20:22 <kill_dano> hey nutty
Apr 25 20:27:19 <xd1936> Hey all. I just got my Verizon Pre2 today and it's stuck at the Boot Screen (clouds, spinning wheel). Any ideas? A WebOS Doctor gets stuck at 56%
Apr 25 20:28:25 <ctbeiser> Take it back to the Verizon store.
Apr 25 20:29:52 <xd1936> It's a developer device, straight from HP..
Apr 25 20:32:15 <xd1936> So it's a hardware problem?
Apr 25 20:37:00 <t3k_no> im no expert, but did it get stuck?? or was it just taking its sweet-a$$ time loading??? (you mentioned the wheel was spinning??)
Apr 25 20:38:05 <t3k_no> how long did you leave it running, before you decided it was stuck?? did the spinning wheel stop spinning??
Apr 25 20:38:11 <xd1936> it's still spinning. it's been about a half hour
Apr 25 20:38:15 <xd1936> how long should it take?
Apr 25 20:39:38 <xd1936> i left it alone for about 15 minutes, tried several times on two different computers to doctor it (fails at 56% every time), and now I'm leaving it alone again
Apr 25 20:40:17 <t3k_no> idk, like i said, im no expert, but once i left it running for a couple hours and that seemed to work...
Apr 25 20:40:37 <t3k_no> maybe the doctor version??
Apr 25 20:41:20 <xd1936> there's only one doctor version for the vzw pre2, 2.0.1
Apr 25 20:41:48 <xd1936> i suppose i could leave it for another hour or two. that doesn't seem like the way it should be though.
Apr 25 20:41:50 <t3k_no> oh thats right.. verizon...
Apr 25 20:43:34 <t3k_no> yea.. i would just call it in...
Apr 25 20:43:42 <xd1936> damn.
Apr 25 20:43:48 <xd1936> alright.
Apr 25 20:43:54 <xd1936> thanks for the help
Apr 25 20:44:33 <t3k_no> np.. sorry i couldnt help more...
Apr 25 20:44:36 <rwhitby> RagingMind, NuttyBunny, PuffTheMagic: the reason why wIRC 0.3.5 is not showing for Pixi is very simple: "DEVICECOMPATIBILITY = [\"Pre\",\"Pre2\"]" in the build Makefile
Apr 25 20:46:40 <NuttyBunny> so, it's not our pixis that are "messed up" with "stale data" :P    Thanks rwhitby :D
Apr 25 21:00:43 <webfellow> rwhitby: any ideas for my comment earlier? "after i got my dev phone, i turned it into a sprint franken-pre 2 (about a week ag) but for all the tinkering i've tried, it hasn't wanted to connect via wifi ... is there any known issue/fix for something like this?  I can re-doctor np, but thought it was an interesting situation that might be worth exploring."
Apr 25 21:13:55 <webfellow> oop, gotta run, be back later.
Apr 25 21:22:09 <PuffTheMagic> NuttyBunny, testing feed wirc does not have that restriction
Apr 25 21:22:16 <PuffTheMagic> idk why that line was in the stable versionb
Apr 25 21:22:30 <PuffTheMagic> cause pixi have been supported for a while now
Apr 25 21:22:40 <NuttyBunny> Ah, good to know, enabling testing feeds :D  Thanks!!
Apr 25 21:22:56 <PuffTheMagic> anyway 0.3.11-2 should be in main feed when next build goes around
Apr 25 21:24:52 <NuttyBunny> perfect, good to know, thanks :)
Apr 25 23:00:59 <Volcom45> any of you on Sprint suddenly having issues the last 45 minutes? I'm getting this "Your phone could not establish a data connection. Call Sprint for help (128)." message and have no EV or 1x, I enabled data roaming, same prob, rebooted, pulled battery
Apr 25 23:01:21 <Volcom45> I'd just doctored earlier today and everything was working fine, reinstalled all of my patches..
Apr 25 23:02:08 <Volcom45> my phone dialing and SMS works fine, its just data
Apr 25 23:09:23 <Volcom45> weird, it just came back
Apr 25 23:09:34 <Volcom45> Sprint must've had an outage in my area
Apr 25 23:34:43 <RagingMind> Volcom45, it happens sometimes
Apr 25 23:40:46 <pa28pilot> HI folks
Apr 25 23:41:23 <pa28pilot> I'm interested in joining the linphone alpha. I don't mind dumping packet traces and the like as I used to be a protocol stack guy back in the mists of time.
Apr 26 00:07:30 * NuttyBunny shows off his brand new, unlocked, unactivated, unusable Pre2 :)
Apr 26 00:08:11 <summatusmentis> unusable? send it to me, I'll find a use for it
Apr 26 00:08:45 <NuttyBunny> Unusable as "it's sitting there, with a "check sim-sos only" screen
Apr 26 00:08:53 <NuttyBunny> ah, and it just turned itself off
Apr 26 00:09:09 <NuttyBunny> rwhitby: ping? :)
Apr 26 00:11:34 <Loudergood> telcel use different frequencies?
Apr 26 00:12:05 <NuttyBunny> Nop, same as AT&T, I just hadn't read Rod's post
Apr 26 00:12:42 <NuttyBunny> Now following the activation procedure... damn I love the Palm glowing logo :D
Apr 26 00:14:00 <Loudergood> lol
Apr 26 00:14:31 <Loudergood> yeah I may have to get that back
Apr 26 00:15:23 <NuttyBunny> Meta Doctor is our friend
Apr 26 00:34:19 <Volcom45> btw NuttyBunny, built a new metadoc with WUBU last night
Apr 26 00:34:32 <Volcom45> now it see's all my digital pics and ringtones just fine :P
Apr 26 00:34:36 <Volcom45> doctored my phone again
Apr 26 00:34:52 <NuttyBunny> Volcom45: Excellent!! Congratulations! :D  Post on the thread that no one has to be afraid of Linux :D
Apr 26 00:34:54 <Volcom45> maybe that was related to cygwin although i never had that prob the 1st time with that same cygwin doc
Apr 26 00:35:01 <Volcom45> thx :)
Apr 26 00:36:11 <NuttyBunny> here it goes..... activating over wifi... *sigh*
Apr 26 00:37:27 <NuttyBunny> Yes! :D   rwhitby: You're THE MAN! :D
Apr 26 00:38:30 <Volcom45> I was one of the 10 on webosroundup to win a Pre2 today, couldn't be more stoked :P
Apr 26 00:38:35 <Volcom45> def going to sprintify it
Apr 26 00:41:17 <Loudergood> just don't save/restore your govnah profiles from a pre to a pre2
Apr 26 00:41:25 <Volcom45> haha oh ya?
Apr 26 00:41:34 <Loudergood> pretty sure that's why i was having stability issues
Apr 26 00:41:38 <Volcom45> wasn't planning on overclocking anyway
Apr 26 00:41:57 <Volcom45> it ought to be good at 1ghz right?
Apr 26 00:42:03 <Loudergood> oh it is
Apr 26 00:48:56 <NuttyBunny> Anyone knows if the 2.1 update appears in 2.0.1? or I have to doctor it?? :S
Apr 26 00:53:00 <Loudergood> should appear
Apr 26 00:54:58 <NuttyBunny> weird... it doesn't, it just sits there, spinner spinning
Apr 26 00:56:42 <NuttyBunny> well. it doesn't matter... 30 minutes for the download, another 15 for the doctor to run, and then another 4 hours for app restore... this is going to be a loooooong night ;)
Apr 26 00:58:42 <Loudergood> lol
Apr 26 00:58:51 <Loudergood> yeah app restore is a pain
Apr 26 00:59:11 * Loudergood ran out of data this month because he forgot to set his last doctor to wifi only
Apr 26 01:00:59 <NuttyBunny> hehehe
Apr 26 01:01:16 <NuttyBunny> I might as well run everything with no SIM on it, just to be on the safe side
Apr 26 01:04:05 <Loudergood> at least I'm prepaid so I didn't go bankrupt
Apr 26 01:08:05 <NuttyBunny> that's good!  Stupid Telcel, three months they cut my service because I owed them like $300 (for running out of data), but turns out that I did have unlimited data, they just made some stupid mistake and were trying to bill me. Fortunately my card didn't pass :D
Apr 26 01:09:57 <Loudergood> yeah not fun
Apr 26 01:42:08 <kill_dano> nutty
Apr 26 01:42:13 <kill_dano> lets fix my pre
Apr 26 01:52:13 <NuttyBunny> kill_dano: hold on a bit
Apr 26 01:52:32 <kill_dano> kk
Apr 26 01:52:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay all
Apr 26 01:52:48 <kill_dano> gonna watch to catch u later cause i gtg too
Apr 26 01:53:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> what's up?
Apr 26 01:53:06 <Loudergood> NuttyBunny is distracted by a Pre2
Apr 26 01:53:36 <NuttyBunny> a bit
Apr 26 01:53:52 <NickNick> hey PatrickC_Pre2
Apr 26 01:54:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> NuttyBunny: heh
Apr 26 01:54:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay nicknick
Apr 26 01:54:15 <NickNick> thats a worthy distraction
Apr 26 01:54:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep
Apr 26 01:58:06 <NuttyBunny> doctoring 2.1... bah, I forgot the stupid logo :)
Apr 26 02:00:54 <NickNick> which carrier NB?
Apr 26 02:01:36 <NuttyBunny> Impostah-activated to US (AT&T), working on Telcel (or so I hope, I haven't slapped the SIM on it)
Apr 26 02:06:01 <NuttyBunny> Reset complete... so long palm logo
Apr 26 02:08:14 <NuttyBunny> save/restore in action... saving :)
Apr 26 02:09:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool :)
Apr 26 02:19:02 <NuttyBunny> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi_bMYFmFGg&feature=player_embedded
Apr 26 02:24:15 <NickNick> That looks perfectly safe, nutty, just keep your kitten out of the room
Apr 26 02:25:54 <NuttyBunny> I have a small dog, and don't worry, with that noise he won't even get near that thing :D
Apr 26 02:27:24 <ka6sox-away> NuttyBunny, I have a small child and he ran into the other room!
Apr 26 02:34:40 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, that you?
Apr 26 02:35:13 <RagingMind> accent doesn't sound right..
Apr 26 02:35:20 <summatusmentis> does anyone remember who it was that got webos keybindings to work in X on debian?
Apr 26 02:36:13 <NuttyBunny> RagingMing: Yep, It's me :D
Apr 26 02:38:06 <RagingMind> summatusmentis, dtzWill would know
Apr 26 02:38:24 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, You, Sir, have earned your IRC nick.
Apr 26 02:38:26 <summatusmentis> RagingMind: it actually might've been him
Apr 26 02:38:43 <RagingMind> that's a lot of commas... I doubt they are all necessary
Apr 26 02:38:57 <RagingMind> summatusmentis, I remember he was helping the guy that set up the keymap
Apr 26 02:39:01 <NuttyBunny> Ah! I get it!... no, no, that's not me and that's not my accent ;)
Apr 26 02:39:09 <summatusmentis> RagingMind: oh, that may be it
Apr 26 02:39:17 <summatusmentis> dtzWill: ping me when you're around?
Apr 26 02:39:22 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, Okay, that makes a bit more sense then :)
Apr 26 02:40:26 <RagingMind> Though not a certainty I would say it's fairly likely that someone from Mexico City would not have a British accent
Apr 26 02:40:34 <RagingMind> if that's what it is...
Apr 26 02:40:35 <dtzWill> summatusmentis: hello :).  what's your question/issue?
Apr 26 02:41:02 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: Everybody has a different accent, it depends largely on the teacher's
Apr 26 02:41:05 <summatusmentis> do you remember who had the webos keybindings working in debian X?
Apr 26 02:41:27 <dtzWill> summatusmentis: what doesn't work?
Apr 26 02:41:32 <RagingMind> dtzWill, you are one of the more reliably summonable people in here it seems
Apr 26 02:41:53 <dtzWill> anyway phil_bw redid some of it to better handle modifier sticky and some other improvements
Apr 26 02:42:07 <summatusmentis> dtzWill: right, that's what I was wondering about
Apr 26 02:42:10 <dtzWill> as of...last week? i haven't had a chance to look at it in detail yet.
Apr 26 02:42:13 <summatusmentis> specficially for XTerm
Apr 26 02:42:20 <dtzWill> well afaik that has nothing to do with debian?
Apr 26 02:42:36 <dtzWill> oh he might've used debian to get his copy of xkbset.
Apr 26 02:42:40 <summatusmentis> iirc, the conversation was about using the same technique for the xterm binaries
Apr 26 02:42:43 <summatusmentis> yes
Apr 26 02:42:50 <summatusmentis> that sounds right
Apr 26 02:42:52 <dtzWill> anyway in theory that'll all be going into the xterm packages when i get a moment :)
Apr 26 02:43:03 <summatusmentis> ah, ok :)
Apr 26 02:43:28 <summatusmentis> is there capacity for other keybindings (gesture+t for tab, as an example)?
Apr 26 02:43:52 <dtzWill> that's not configurable at the moment, no.
Apr 26 02:44:05 <summatusmentis> oh, ok.
Apr 26 02:44:18 <dtzWill> well not directly so anyway. you can add an xkb mapping the equiv of of control+t to be tab if you'd like..
Apr 26 02:44:22 <dtzWill> right now gesture+t is control t :)
Apr 26 02:45:03 <summatusmentis> well, I just would like to use the terminal, and have gotten very used to certain things (detaching screens, etc.)
Apr 26 02:45:11 <NuttyBunny> gesture-i does tab on xterm
Apr 26 02:45:28 <dtzWill> well control a/control d should still detach in screen's normal default, for example.
Apr 26 02:45:30 <summatusmentis> oh, hey, look at that
Apr 26 02:45:44 <summatusmentis> so I really just need to learn the current xterm keybindings
Apr 26 02:46:01 <dtzWill> possibly, yes :)
Apr 26 02:46:06 <RagingMind> what's up?
Apr 26 02:46:07 <dtzWill> should be half-usable >_> :)
Apr 26 02:46:17 <summatusmentis> ok, cool
Apr 26 02:46:25 <dtzWill> RagingMind: re: summonable, it's because i'm almost always on just not here/active :)
Apr 26 02:46:37 <summatusmentis> dtzWill: are they documented anywhere?
Apr 26 02:46:57 <RagingMind> or down/left/right?
Apr 26 02:48:23 <dtzWill> summatusmentis: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:X#Keyboard_Support
Apr 26 02:48:40 <NuttyBunny> brb.. dinner time x me
Apr 26 02:49:14 <RagingMind> ah... arrow keys are on TODO, hehe
Apr 26 02:49:59 <summatusmentis> dtzWill: sweet, thanks
Apr 26 02:50:39 <RagingMind> does the cryptofs support unix permissions?
Apr 26 02:51:36 <NuttyBunny> yep
Apr 26 02:52:22 <RagingMind> so there could be a Debian "app" that installs a Debian chroot or uses debootstrap to build one?
Apr 26 02:52:36 <dtzWill> RagingMind: in theory, yes.
Apr 26 02:53:20 <NuttyBunny> Ah! My Pre 2 just became choppy and slow!!!!
Apr 26 02:53:20 <NuttyBunny> I guess I'd better wait till it downloads everything ;)
Apr 26 02:53:33 <dtzWill> haha :)
Apr 26 02:55:45 <summatusmentis> dude, pre2 was choppy and slow?
Apr 26 02:55:53 <summatusmentis> my pre- gets choppy and slow
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