**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 13 02:59:58 2011
May 13 04:23:56 <smknutson> anyone awake?
May 13 04:24:42 <ehsan1> i guess not :) I am up but i am newbie myself :)
May 13 04:27:32 <smknutson> ahh haha hi
May 13 04:29:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> likewise
May 13 04:37:20 * scoutcamper is kinda here
May 13 04:41:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> kinda?
May 13 04:46:33 <smknutson> What network is the 1.4.5.1 update for?
May 13 04:47:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> uh
May 13 04:47:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's either AT&T or Sprint
May 13 04:47:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> don't think VZW
May 13 04:51:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Sprint it is
May 13 11:40:06 <morphis> anybody here already has access to a webos doctor for the HP veer?
May 13 12:20:23 <pritam> how to change Palm Pixi's MEID
May 13 12:21:23 <pritam> plzz can anyone tell me how to change MEID on palm pixi plus
May 13 15:13:52 <ajay> anybody know if any special magic is required to frankenpre a vzpre+ to a vz pre2?
May 13 15:15:58 <RagingMind> trying to avoid an activation fee?
May 13 15:16:10 <jun_> If anybody know the Linphone -0.1.8 ' binary version download link?  I'd like to be a tester.
May 13 15:16:59 <ajay> jun_: ThiBaud and possibly rod are the only two developers afaik, meaning only they can approve new testers
May 13 15:17:31 <jun_> Thank you, ajay!
May 13 15:17:49 <ajay> RagingMind: not exactly.. more MHS, etc.
May 13 15:18:23 <RagingMind> oh yeah... pre2 does not have free mhs
May 13 15:18:44 <ajay> I don't think I need to do anything special to frankenpre, Rod told me that the comm boards are exactly the same, i mean, what else is needed? i don't know what tokens are tho, but tokens are carrier-tied, not esn-tied, right?
May 13 15:22:09 <RagingMind> ajay, the tokens part is what always gets me mixed up
May 13 15:31:19 <ajay> hmm.. tokens..i feel like it's not necessary
May 13 15:31:53 * ajay 's pre is downstairs.. backing up over wifi.. would _Really_ like to run saverestore over VNC!
May 13 15:32:30 <NuttyBunny> ajay, why do you backup over wifi???  :)
May 13 15:32:40 <ajay> NuttyBunny: USB port is flakey
May 13 15:33:06 <RagingMind> ajay, there are tools to backup tokens... wouldn't hurt to back up both phones?
May 13 15:33:09 <NuttyBunny> mmm... whoa... difficult issue :(
May 13 15:33:14 <RagingMind> just in case
May 13 15:33:22 <ajay> NuttyBunny: do you think USB is faster? it doesn't matter to me, because since the phone gets stuck in USB mode (even though it thinks its still in usb mode, the computer can't see it anymore eventually)
May 13 15:34:17 <ajay> all the talk i see is of carrier tokens.. but ok will backup .. for kicks? :)
May 13 15:34:18 <NuttyBunny> ajay, definitely faster, up to 480Mbps, besides max 54Mbps on wifi, but if it gets disconnected it will be too dangerous to to that way :(
May 13 15:35:16 <ajay> hmm.. damn i hadn't really thought of it that way.. have you ever done a speedtest? I wonder how fast the pre really is over usb.. (or any device for that matter :)
May 13 15:35:46 <RagingMind> most wifi is at best 54 Mbit and usb2 is 480 Mbit
May 13 15:36:19 <RagingMind> hmm... took me too long to double check my numbers/units... *sigh*
May 13 15:36:40 <ajay> yeah, it's SUPER-annoying, because i have to do a reboot or luna restart to get it out of usb mode, and then it complains afterwards that some files were/may have been lost. (And actually, contrary to every other usb device i've ever used, it actually does lose files)
May 13 15:37:11 <ajay> RagingMind: i'll guess that real-world the pre has got to best 54, but dunno how close to 480 this stuff can get to..
May 13 15:37:50 <RagingMind> ajay, I suppose I could test that with my pre... :)
May 13 15:38:22 <RagingMind> I wonder what the best way to test that would be... I could novacom get /dev/null  ?
May 13 15:41:39 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: create a long file, use dd to do it, hold on, lemme test too
May 13 15:42:25 <RagingMind> I suppose reading from /dev/zero would be better
May 13 15:43:01 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, I was thinking /dev/zero rather than a real file to avoid reading from the flash storage as a bottle neck
May 13 15:43:33 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: yep, that would be a safe bet, mmm... I need a stopwatch
May 13 15:43:55 <RagingMind> use the time command
May 13 15:44:31 <RagingMind> and the resulting file size... hoping that your local disk isn't a bottle neck
May 13 15:44:43 <RagingMind> could write to a ram disk :)
May 13 15:46:00 <NuttyBunny> mmm... I know, lemme build a command, use dd to create an invisible zero filled file, pipe it through tar, send it through novacom and throw it to /dev/null on the host
May 13 15:46:16 <NuttyBunny> no files involved, no fs bottleneck
May 13 15:47:17 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny is a magical bunny
May 13 15:50:11 <NuttyBunny> almost there... stupid tar: "Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive"
May 13 15:50:46 <RagingMind> What are you using tar for?
May 13 15:51:08 <NuttyBunny> to create an imaginary file that would be uncompressed on the host
May 13 15:52:09 <NuttyBunny> not an imaginary file, you can use tar to copy files from one place to another using STDIN and STDOUT, and you avoid creating files, that should be a better explanation
May 13 15:52:58 <NuttyBunny> and dd is the one causing me trouble... stupid redirects
May 13 15:53:23 <ajay> oh look, it fails over wifi too. awesome
May 13 15:53:35 <NuttyBunny> duh!! of=FILE  - write to FILE instead of stdout
May 13 15:53:45 <NuttyBunny> ajay: what are you backing up, and how?
May 13 15:54:02 <ajay> ohh if i could use novaterm with unison over usb that would be better..
May 13 15:54:05 <ajay> everything!!
May 13 15:54:07 <ajay> starting with usb
May 13 15:54:15 <ajay> i should have skipped the ubuntu iso.. ;^)
May 13 15:54:41 <NuttyBunny> hahaha... yes, PatrickC did that also ;)  backed up the ubuntu iso.. hahahaha
May 13 15:56:01 <RagingMind> ajay, I use unison over usb in drive mode to back up my media stuff :)
May 13 15:56:09 <ajay> RagingMind: I can't use usb drive mode
May 13 15:56:11 <ajay> remember
May 13 15:56:16 <RagingMind> BUT there's lots of things that you need to tell it to ignore
May 13 15:56:30 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: You were right, I didn't need tar :D
May 13 15:56:38 <RagingMind> yeah... but I imagine there are still the stuff you need to tell it to ignore or it acts... weird
May 13 15:57:10 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: do you have linux or cygwin?
May 13 15:57:16 <RagingMind> linux
May 13 15:57:25 <NuttyBunny> try this: dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=100 | dd of=/dev/null
May 13 15:57:39 <RagingMind> I have one windows box... and it's for things I can't discuss here
May 13 15:57:55 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, on my host machine or pre?
May 13 15:58:39 <NuttyBunny> I think both
May 13 16:00:59 <RagingMind> I added a 0 so that it does a gig on my computer, otherwise it went too fast
May 13 16:01:19 <RagingMind> lappy: 1048576000 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 11.5228 s, 91.0 MB/s
May 13 16:01:26 <NuttyBunny> yeh, but it just test the cpu I think
May 13 16:01:31 <RagingMind> pre+: 104857600 bytes (100.0MB) copied, 4.400849 seconds, 22.7MB/s
May 13 16:01:39 <RagingMind> Yup, that's just cpu :)
May 13 16:01:54 <NuttyBunny> now, the real stuff should be, on the cpu:  novacom -w run file://bin/dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=100 | dd of=/dev/null
May 13 16:02:32 <RagingMind> running...
May 13 16:03:27 <NuttyBunny> it should pipe 100Mb of zeroes over novacom and then throw them to /dev/null.  Now, the result...  104857600 bytes (100.0MB) copied, 11.012421 seconds, 9.1MB/s the first (the Pre dd), and 104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 11.0345 s, 9.5 MB/s (the CPU dd)
May 13 16:03:41 <RagingMind> 104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 21.4181 s, 4.9 MB/s
May 13 16:04:02 <NuttyBunny> that's odd... well, mine is the Pre2
May 13 16:04:05 <NuttyBunny> lemme boot the Plus
May 13 16:04:12 <RagingMind> I'm trying again with a BS=1M on the second dd
May 13 16:04:34 <RagingMind> 104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 21.0618 s, 5.0 MB/s
May 13 16:04:59 <ajay> are these the pre-in-usb-mode speed tests?
May 13 16:05:07 <RagingMind> matching the BS upped the speed of both dd commands by 0.1 MB/s
May 13 16:05:22 <RagingMind> ajay, these are in dev mode using usb, yup
May 13 16:06:48 <NuttyBunny> ah, but we won't be able to do it easily on wifi to compare...
May 13 16:07:02 <ajay> so.. 54 Mb/s wireless .. is about the same speed?
May 13 16:08:01 <NuttyBunny> ajay: seems so
May 13 16:08:36 <RagingMind> there's always netcat?
May 13 16:09:02 <NuttyBunny> heh, we may be being struck by a cpu bottleneck
May 13 16:09:06 <RagingMind> what I'd like to see is to test over usbnet and see if there's novacom overhead
May 13 16:09:27 <NuttyBunny> the plus is 5MB/s, the Pre2 is 9MB/s
May 13 16:09:32 <RagingMind> and any commands to test over usbnet could also test over wifi? :)
May 13 16:09:58 <ajay> woa.. that's weird the pre2 has a almost 2x speed increase
May 13 16:10:13 <RagingMind> ajay, you're unlikely to actually have 54Mbit wifi...
May 13 16:10:16 <ajay> i just realized i'm matching against max wifi
May 13 16:10:40 <RagingMind> and the pre2 does have 2x raw cpu speed over the pre+
May 13 16:10:42 <NuttyBunny> if you think of raw cpu speed it could be that, the Pre2 is almost the double of the 600Mhz of my Plus on 2.1
May 13 16:10:43 <ajay> still, i don't feel dumb anymore for doing backups over wifi, which was the point of the exercise, so ftw :)
May 13 16:11:04 <ajay> oh i just overclocked my pre+ to 800, maybe i better go for 1ghz.. too bad no fixed speed 1 ghz :)
May 13 16:11:07 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, I keep my pre at stock 500 (600 for pdk stuff of course)
May 13 16:11:14 <NuttyBunny> I'll test with a real file
May 13 16:11:19 <ajay> oh it won't keep 800 screenstate so it won't keep 1ghz. eh
May 13 16:11:30 <ajay> RagingMind: how do you surive!
May 13 16:12:10 <NuttyBunny> I found that 720Mhz is a really nice speed, and it isn't as battery hungry as the faster ones
May 13 16:13:06 <RagingMind> ajay, I love the phone for how aesthetically pleasing it is and the software it runs... not for the innards
May 13 16:14:05 <RagingMind> it's really not all that slow
May 13 16:14:17 <ajay> RagingMind: i find 1.4.5 at 500 a bit annoying, 2.1 unusable
May 13 16:14:22 <ajay> (mostly)
May 13 16:14:27 <RagingMind> I'm on 2.1
May 13 16:14:34 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: Bah, with a real file it's exactly the same speed
May 13 16:14:36 <ajay> i woulda shot myself if i was you :)
May 13 16:14:48 <RagingMind> what does annoy me (that OCing may fix) is that it doesn't always respond to touch right away
May 13 16:14:52 <ajay> maybe it's my phone.. i'll just tell myself that my pre+ is slower than your phone
May 13 16:15:12 <RagingMind> but my first pre on 2.1 didn't have that problem, just this replacement one
May 13 16:15:13 <ajay> my phone is pretty borked, so i can't say i count as a case study, but mine's not always responsive to touch
May 13 16:15:51 <RagingMind> near the end of the 90 days I have on this I'll go back to 1.4.5 and test... see if I still have the issue and if I can convince them to give me another replacement ;)
May 13 16:16:46 <RagingMind> my first pre+ was super solid on 2.1, and this "new" one... hangs for a second or two a lot and is annoying
May 13 16:17:03 <RagingMind> inbetween those moments... it's a champ
May 13 16:18:12 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: Disable the compcache, you don't need it in a Plus
May 13 16:18:14 <ajay> huh
May 13 16:19:31 <NuttyBunny> So, summarizing, over USB we have: Pre+ - 5MB/s (40Mbps), Pre2 - 9MB/s(72Mbps)... and according to wikipedia: Typical hi-speed USB hard drives can be written to at rates around 25–30 MB/s, and read from at rates of 30–42 MB/s, according to routine testing done by CNet. This is 70% of the total bandwidth available.
May 13 16:19:37 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, I thought compcache only enabled if it was a pre-
May 13 16:20:10 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: Nope, it's enabled on every legacy device (it comes also on the Pixi 2.1), fixed at 10Mb
May 13 16:20:20 <NuttyBunny> look into /etc/eventd/compcache
May 13 16:20:29 <NuttyBunny> event.d
May 13 16:20:50 <RagingMind> I swear I asked about that and rod said it was pre- only... I probably misread it though
May 13 16:20:53 <RagingMind> *sigh*
May 13 16:20:57 <ajay> having compcache enabled could HURT performance??
May 13 16:21:34 <RagingMind> if you have the memory available, why bother wasting the cpu cycles compressing anything?
May 13 16:21:36 <ajay> that's nowhere near 480 MB/s (or is it mbps?)
May 13 16:21:42 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: /etc/palm/preferences/compcache_enabled exists on my Pre+
May 13 16:21:56 <RagingMind> ajay, 480Mbit is usb
May 13 16:22:24 <NuttyBunny> ajay: Not even close, veeeery slow, RagingMind, we are way low than the fastest theoretical speed
May 13 16:22:27 <NuttyBunny> hey Chuqui! :D
May 13 16:22:58 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, that's why I want to test over usbnet mode
May 13 16:23:07 <ajay> RagingMind: oh its Mbit, not MBit.. so 30 MB/s=240 Mbps.. half of theoretical. i guess that's not bad..
May 13 16:23:08 <chuqui> hey, NuttyBunny
May 13 16:23:22 <RagingMind> i'm wondering if novacom on the pre is a bottle neck
May 13 16:23:23 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: compcache could be the culprit of the small hickups you have, it may be compressing and decompressing something in those moments
May 13 16:23:24 <ajay> doin rsync -av sata to sata now, will be curious to see what it puts out
May 13 16:23:40 <NuttyBunny> ajay: no, no, 5MB/s = 40Mbps
May 13 16:24:10 <ajay> NuttyBunny: ? i meant for the high-speed usb HDDs..
May 13 16:24:12 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, I didn't have the hiccups the first time I was on 2.1 :(
May 13 16:24:27 <NuttyBunny> chuqui, we're discussing on how the Pre USB transfer is about 10 times slower than the max theoretical speed for usb 2.0 :D
May 13 16:25:00 <ajay> RagingMind: I wonder if the doctor has changed since then..
May 13 16:25:21 <RagingMind> I *don't* have to reboot after disabling compcache?
May 13 16:25:31 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: well, also the databases fill up with info that doesn't get clean up, my Pre2 takes 4-5 minutes to boot
May 13 16:25:51 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: mmm... if done with govnah, no
May 13 16:26:15 <ajay> NuttyBunny: I thought a large part of the bootup time is related to how many apps you have installed.. there's db cruft too? hrmm..
May 13 16:26:18 <NuttyBunny> ajay: ah, yes, 30MB - 240Mbps, yes, for the hard drives
May 13 16:26:52 <NuttyBunny> ajay: in my case for some reason it's checking the media partition every time it boots... it takes about a minute to do it :@
May 13 16:26:59 <ajay> so just delete mv compcache_enabled no_compcache_enabled ? done..
May 13 16:27:17 <ajay> NuttyBunny: how do you know that's what it's doing, and how long it takes?
May 13 16:27:31 <ajay> hmm, maybe i need to keep my media partition lean then (for better performance)
May 13 16:27:47 <NuttyBunny> ajay: yes, and disable it in govnah to activate the change immediately (compcache)
May 13 16:27:47 <ajay> all these little things could be explanations of why my pre+ (in addtn to hw issues) performs so poor
May 13 16:28:01 <ajay> oh it might be enabled in govnah? eek
May 13 16:29:03 <NuttyBunny> I looooove to mess with my devices' internals, and I've doing extensive research about backup and restore, and I often perform a fsck (chkdsk in windows world) on the media partition, and it takes a looong time... and, if you novaterm to your device you may find that it's running (fsck.vfat)
May 13 16:30:47 <NuttyBunny> which reminds me... chuqui: Who should I contact to report a media bug, it's a new one that I hadn't read of, my "Video Roll" dissapeared, and all my recorded videos are being held in the "Loaded Videos" section. I can play them but I cannot edit them or share them anymore :'(
May 13 16:43:11 <RagingMind> http://deice.daug.net/netcat_speed.html
May 13 16:44:00 <NuttyBunny> It takes about 30 secs to run fsck.vfat ... not too much, but when the device is booting and doing other things at the same time, it could slow things down
May 13 16:45:31 <RagingMind> crap... now the headphone jack always thinks there are head phones in it
May 13 16:45:45 <RagingMind> I might be getting another replacement... *sigh*
May 13 16:46:41 <NuttyBunny> there's a way, search for "carbon powder" I think, on P|C, that method seems very logical and it should work
May 13 16:50:39 <ajay> RagingMind: that's a common problem, you need to get some fatter headphone plugs and plug+unplug them. rinse+repeat til achieve results
May 13 16:51:10 <RagingMind> blarg
May 13 16:51:16 <ajay> RagingMind: is that on a pre2? crap yet another thing that hopefully would have been fixed... maybe pre3..
May 13 16:51:42 <RagingMind> I do need some graphite powder anyway, the lock on my car and the deadbolt to my apartment are kinda sticky
May 13 16:51:47 <ajay> RagingMind: assuming "blarg" was to my suggestion, i say, hey! easier than getting a replacement :)
May 13 16:52:14 <RagingMind> ajay, this is a refurb pre+ that they gave me as a replacement to my original pre+ that crapped out
May 13 16:52:43 <ajay> RagingMind: i'm not clear what point you are trying to convey to me..
May 13 16:52:55 <RagingMind> blarg was directed into the ether... just my general frustration
May 13 16:52:56 <ajay> RagingMind: Oh because it's a refurb so if it has issues better replace it quick before late?
May 13 16:53:02 <NuttyBunny> I wonder what -- if [ -n "$MEDIA_FIX" ]; then lunaprop -n com.palm.system -m -s $MEDIA_FIX_PROPERTY $MEDIA_FIX  -- does  in /etc/initd.d/mountall.sh   *sigh*
May 13 16:53:25 <RagingMind> I'm already outside of my original warranty, but still in the 90 days for the refurb
May 13 16:53:25 <ajay> oh because i said pre2, ok ignore last comment :)
May 13 16:53:44 <ajay> RagingMind: you're on vz right?  I talked to someone that got verizon to replace his pre+ w/ a Pre2, fyi!
May 13 16:53:44 <RagingMind> so I'm extra sensitive to hardware issues :)
May 13 16:53:53 <NuttyBunny> found it, appears then fsck fixed something
May 13 16:53:57 <ajay> i googled "carbon powder site:precentral.net" and found nothing
May 13 16:53:59 <RagingMind> the pre2 would be nice... but it's too ugly
May 13 16:54:03 <ajay> ??
May 13 16:54:12 <RagingMind> I need the rounded front
May 13 16:54:18 <ajay> ??
May 13 16:54:30 <RagingMind> and I'm so happy that the veer and pre3 have the rounded edges on the front again
May 13 16:54:34 <ajay> to spin it?
May 13 16:54:37 <RagingMind> the pre2 just looked... ew
May 13 16:54:59 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: I trade a Pre+ for your Pre2
May 13 16:55:14 <RagingMind> and the vzw store up here doesn't have any pre2 in stock anymore, they had it with the "feature phones" for about a month
May 13 16:55:42 <ajay> me too :)
May 13 16:56:01 <ajay> RagingMind: he recommends never dealing with a store, it's all about getting the right person on phone tech support
May 13 16:56:10 <RagingMind> and when I asked about it last week the rep instantly started trying to talk me out of a Pre of any kind for practically anything else
May 13 16:56:20 <RagingMind> he was very not nice to the platform
May 13 16:56:41 <ajay> i've had that happen too.. they can't quite sell a phone they don't have in stock, right? but gotta sell something!
May 13 16:57:22 <NuttyBunny> well, well, you have to LOVE the comments developers leave in files: "I'm not going to worry about that as it's not a shipping configuration."  o_O
May 13 16:57:39 <ajay> i saw my friend using his android phone yesterday, followed by seeing my bro+his gf using their iphone/ipod touch, and.. i do feel pretty lacking.
May 13 16:58:06 <ajay> my friend cancelled went data+txt only on verizon, and can still use his droid with no problem to make calls.  That's impossible on webOS
May 13 16:58:12 <ajay> i mean, no additional steps
May 13 17:00:05 <NuttyBunny> "Given a partition or mountpoint, fix it.  Umount it if needed, fsck it, try to mount it, and if that fails reformat it and mount it again.  Once this function returns, we've either mounted the partition (which may now be empty!) or we're so f*cked there's no hope of recovery."
May 13 17:02:39 <RagingMind> ajay, he uses skype or something?
May 13 17:06:51 <NuttyBunny> ok, booting skipping fsck, just once, to test........ please, don't kill my data :D
May 13 17:07:29 <ajay> RagingMind: nope, just google voice+SIPgate over 3g
May 13 17:08:16 <ajay> skype's actually a good idea.. but oh maybe not because then he might show another #.
May 13 17:09:20 <ajay> I'd _LOVE_ to do that.  I dream of using VoIP.. but palm restricts the hell out of the platform. i don't care how many times they talk about "keys" and "unlocked," it's BS when the platform isn't built for open and doesn't have many builtin options to make up for it..
May 13 17:12:46 <NuttyBunny> pff... 4:35 seconds for the Luna screen to show... on a Pre 2... *sigh*
May 13 17:34:41 <ajay> hmm.. sata->esata only did 20 MB/s. disappointing
May 13 17:35:10 <ajay> maybe rsync is not the right way to go .. hrmm.. i skipped -z but assumed that would slow it down, maybe i was mistaken
May 13 17:38:21 <ajay> i was right there are no directions for vz pre+ to vz pre2, so it must be seamless
May 13 17:39:40 <ajay> has using metadoctor normally changed at all?
May 13 17:50:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> how do activate a pre/2 if I don't have data?
May 13 17:52:13 <ajay> ok cool the metadoctor still works for its old job, good to know..
May 13 17:52:16 <ajay> with pre2 support and all
May 13 17:53:28 <ajay> PatrickC_Pre2: activate the phone? or login to your profile?  The former is supposedly impossible (so I was told in the channel the other day)
May 13 17:54:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> well.. could I bypass firstuse and still use the radio? and log into a profile over wifi?
May 13 17:55:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/282230-ipkg-feed-generator-v1-0-a.html
May 13 17:55:37 <ajay> well there is that doctor option to allow profile over wifi
May 13 17:55:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^^ awesome!! :)
May 13 17:56:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> but if I do that, can I still use the cell radio to make calls/txt?
May 13 17:56:16 <ajay> i don't see why not..
May 13 17:56:29 <ajay> i feel like someone was saying this isn't true the other day, so don't quote me..
May 13 17:56:54 <ajay> for the former part, calls/txt should be no problem, umm, no problem :)
May 13 18:00:47 <ajay> where in the metadoctor script are the tokens played with?
May 13 18:02:04 <ajay> err, in the 2.1 scripts i mean
May 13 18:02:24 <ajay> i'm arguing with someone over whether i need to use one of the special scripts, but i don't think i need to.
May 13 18:03:53 <ajay> going from att pre+ to pre2 or verizon pre+ to pre2 should require no magic
May 13 18:05:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> comms board swap?
May 13 18:05:43 <ajay> i mean, no software magic, only hardware (comm board swap) magic :)
May 13 18:06:03 <ajay> it shouldn't require a redoctoring of the device, and it definitely shouldn't require a metadoctoring
May 13 18:06:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm not sure.. I haven't done it /yet/ :)
May 13 19:25:36 <Vic_Sage_The> how well does linphone work?
May 13 19:26:05 <Vic_Sage_The> they have a client for webos and I just bought a pixi
May 13 19:26:28 <Vic_Sage_The> pixi plus
May 13 19:30:56 <Vic_Sage_The> anybody home?
May 13 19:31:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yes but I'm of minimal help
May 13 19:33:57 <Vic_Sage_The> does linphone work alright? I just bought a pixi + and I want to make wifi calls and just have it available to me on page plus
May 13 19:34:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> like I said, minimal help :P sorry, don't know the answer to that
May 13 19:35:32 <Vic_Sage_The> i thought this was the irc chatroom for the linphone port to webos
May 13 19:36:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it is, I'm just not one of the developers
May 13 19:37:43 <Vic_Sage_The> well if you are in this room wouldn't it be safe to assume that you have used it
May 13 19:39:30 <SineOt> no
May 13 19:45:08 <Vic_Sage_The> where do I get the linphone app?
May 13 20:26:03 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, graphite worked
May 13 20:44:46 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: Great!! I'll use when (and if) it happens to me!  Right now none of my devices have phantom headphone problems :)
May 13 20:46:00 <Jack87> My Sprint Pre2 is asking to update to 2.1 when it is already 2.1
May 13 20:46:58 <Jack87> i wonder why. any insight?
May 13 20:48:44 <smknutson> Uggh. any idea why my pre won't sign into my profile anymore?
May 13 20:51:22 <Jack87> I was connected on roaming mode with data. i wonder if that had anything to do with it
May 13 20:52:38 <smknutson> I'm on EV
May 13 20:53:26 <smknutson> ohhhh I am on my airave
May 13 20:53:31 <smknutson> maybe that's it
May 13 20:53:47 <PatrickC_Away> smknutson: what phone?
May 13 20:53:57 <PatrickC_Away> I have an airave and never have that problem
May 13 20:54:01 <smknutson> sprint pre plus
May 13 20:54:21 <smknutson> the airave and my wifes intercept don't play nice either
May 13 20:54:40 <PatrickC_Away> is it "modem, airave, other"
May 13 20:54:50 <PatrickC_Away> in how the airave is getting the internet?
May 13 20:55:06 <smknutson> modem, router, airave
May 13 20:55:15 <PatrickC> ahh.. that was our problem too
May 13 20:55:34 <PatrickC> I believe the airave likes to be first (modem, airave, router)
May 13 20:58:28 <RagingMind> Jack87, I've heard of that before, it made voice dial work and gave the person a SIM toolkit (they were on a cdma network so it was kinda useless)
May 13 20:58:59 <Jack87> what did.. running the update?
May 13 20:59:15 <Jack87> "update"
May 13 20:59:24 <RagingMind> yeah
May 13 20:59:37 <RagingMind> this was just after 2.1 came out
May 13 20:59:44 <Jack87> intresting
May 13 21:00:01 <Jack87> i wonder if it will "break" the phone and require a new doctor
May 13 21:00:13 <PatrickC> "new" doctor?
May 13 21:00:21 <PatrickC> don't you have the old one?
May 13 21:00:23 <Jack87> i mean re-doctor
May 13 21:00:59 <Jack87> God i hate windows.. I cant do anything useful on it.
May 13 21:01:12 <PatrickC> lol
May 13 21:02:42 <PatrickC> don't you dual-boot?
May 13 21:03:08 <Jack87> im on work PC
May 13 21:03:13 <Jack87> so i had to bootup laptop lol
May 13 21:03:55 <smknutson> I'll have to try to sign in outside of my airave
May 13 21:04:08 <smknutson> any idea what the sign in failed error is caused by?
May 13 21:05:30 <PatrickC> why are you signing in again anyway? or is this the first time?
May 13 21:06:02 <smknutson> I'm TRYing to go back to 145 on my sprint plus
May 13 21:06:24 <PatrickC> from 2.1?
May 13 21:06:31 <smknutson> correct
May 13 21:06:32 <PatrickC> did you erase backup data?
May 13 21:07:08 <PatrickC> if you don't erase backup data, it won't let you log in on 1.4.5 with a 2.1 profile
May 13 21:07:15 <smknutson> I think so. I hit erase three times, I'm not sure now if it 'took'
May 13 21:07:36 <Loudergood> I thought you had to go back to 1.4.0
May 13 21:07:40 <smknutson> I even went in on my profile and removed the device
May 13 21:07:41 <PatrickC> did you turn off backups? (its been a while since I did it)
May 13 21:07:46 <PatrickC> hmm
May 13 21:08:08 <smknutson> I have no device in my palm.com profile, and it still won't sign in
May 13 21:08:10 <PatrickC> going from 2.1 to 1.4.5 was easy for me
May 13 21:08:22 <PatrickC> weird
May 13 21:08:49 <smknutson> which is why I'll try outside of the airave
May 13 21:08:59 <PatrickC> do you have the tokens in the doctor (I haven't done a frankenpre, so idk where the tokens go)
May 13 21:09:14 <smknutson> tokens baked in for both versions
May 13 21:09:24 <PatrickC> odd
May 13 21:09:41 <smknutson> yeah
May 13 21:10:01 <smknutson> I even flashed a known working 2.1 and as far as I know it gave me same error
May 13 21:10:12 <PatrickC> hmm... now I don't want to frankenpre lol
May 13 21:10:14 <smknutson> tried batt pull, power+rocker 3 times
May 13 21:10:15 <PatrickC> what error?
May 13 21:10:41 <smknutson> Sign In Failed - we were unable to sign in to your profile blah blah
May 13 21:11:02 <PatrickC> hmm.. when I get that, I try to sign in again, and it works
May 13 21:11:08 <PatrickC> can you create a new profile?
May 13 21:11:29 <smknutson> that's my next course of action after turning off airave
May 13 21:12:50 <smknutson> I know the modem works - I was able to reset my palm profile password on the phone
May 13 21:14:10 <rwhitby> morning
May 13 21:14:14 * rwhitby returns to Australia
May 13 21:14:20 <Jack87> RagingMind, think if i manually disable updates the nagging will stop?
May 13 21:14:26 <Jack87> rwhitby, where from?
May 13 21:14:43 <PatrickC> morning rwhitby
May 13 21:14:45 <Jack87> RagingMind, ah shit. too late. it updated on its own god damn it
May 13 21:15:07 <PatrickC> Ohno..
May 13 21:15:15 <PatrickC> hmm.. what did it do..
May 13 21:15:25 <Jack87> PatrickC, lol we will see if it will blow up
May 13 21:15:32 <PatrickC> haha
May 13 21:15:48 <rwhitby> Jack87: I was in San Jose since Monday
May 13 21:15:50 <halfhalo> oh, oh, oh, blowing stuff up!?
May 13 21:16:09 <Jack87> oh wow! werent you down that way like a month ago as well? lots of traveling lately
May 13 21:16:46 <Jack87> halfhalo, sprint pre2 jumped on verizon roaming. and then nagged me about a webos 2.1 update
May 13 21:17:02 <Jack87> and then before i knew it.. it updated... booting back up now
May 13 21:17:36 <halfhalo> bah vzw
May 13 21:18:41 <Jack87> rwhitby, perhaps meta doctor script for sprint pre2 should auto disable OTA update
May 13 21:19:15 <rwhitby> Jack87: why? people want the voicemail to be updated.
May 13 21:19:26 <rwhitby> voice control I mean
May 13 21:19:41 <Jack87> oh... is that how one gains voice control access?
May 13 21:19:55 <Jack87> so this "update" isnt a bad thing?
May 13 21:20:19 <rwhitby> what does the wiki page say?
May 13 21:22:33 <Jack87> rwhitby, intresting. I cant believe i over looked that. thanks!
May 13 21:23:39 <Jack87> i am having a hell of a time sshing into the phone.
May 13 21:24:11 <Jack87> as soon as i figure this shit out i may make the instructions a bit more friendly
May 13 21:32:29 <Jack87> now to gain acess via ssh using login/password
May 13 21:33:26 <rwhitby> PatrickC: you seriously asked that question in the ipkg feed generator thread?
May 13 21:33:57 <PatrickC> I haven't run the program yet, do idk if you put a name in when running the program
May 13 21:34:10 <PatrickC> to name the feed
May 13 21:34:25 <rwhitby> so you waste people's time by asking a question before you've done your own research?
May 13 21:34:51 <PatrickC> I was just wondering...
May 13 21:35:31 <rwhitby> here's a tip.  for most people, other folks get a certain amount of "dumb question" allocation before they start being ignored. something to think about ...
May 13 21:35:55 <PatrickC> ok..
May 13 21:36:08 <rwhitby> especially when the answer is earlier in the same thread, which has not gone over a page yet.
May 13 21:36:30 <PatrickC> I read all the posts.. I must have missed that one
May 13 21:44:17 <NuttyBunny> mornin rwhitby (btw) ;)
May 13 21:44:24 <smknutson1> anyone on familiar with palm profile problems?
May 13 21:45:25 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: Think of the 2.1 pixi guy (I don't even recall his name anymore) :)
May 13 21:45:40 <PatrickC> huh? lol
May 13 21:46:00 <NuttyBunny> I hate my media bug, I have to do the following to get my pictures and videos:  for i in `novacom -w run file://bin/ls -- /media/internal/dcim/100palm`; do echo $i; novacom get file://media/internal/dcim/100palm/$i > $i; done
May 13 21:46:27 <PatrickC> wow.. that stinks.. usbmode doesn't work anymore?
May 13 21:46:43 <stbuehler> you could tar pipe them :)
May 13 21:46:50 <NuttyBunny> it works, but after I exit it, it leaves all media in a limbo state
May 13 21:47:09 <NuttyBunny> stbuehler: ah, yes, but I was testing before and I had the command in the .history :D
May 13 21:47:44 <smknutson1> Anyone know what causes Sign In Failed errors?
May 13 21:48:56 <NuttyBunny> stbuehler: novacom -w run file://bin/tar -- -cv -C /media/internal/dcim/100palm -f - . | tar xvf -      <--- I know my OS ;)
May 13 21:49:11 <NuttyBunny> smknutson1, first use app?
May 13 21:49:37 <stbuehler> very nice :)
May 13 21:49:55 <smknutson1> Yes, on the first use app nutty
May 13 21:50:07 <smknutson1> Cant sign in on 1.4.5 or 2.1 anymore
May 13 21:50:44 <smknutson1> after fresh doctor, and im on EV connection
May 13 21:51:37 <rwhitby> smknutson1: if you follow /var/log/messages and run ls-monitor, you can usually find out why the sign in failed
May 13 21:52:06 <smknutson1> @rwhitby, that seems a bit over my head
May 13 21:52:09 <NuttyBunny> rwhitby: assuming he can use dev mode ;)
May 13 21:52:37 <PatrickC> ##DEVMODE# :)
May 13 21:53:03 <rwhitby> NuttyBunny: BTW, I added account delete capability to Impostah on the flight from the US to AU
May 13 21:53:40 * PatrickC wishes he could code that good :/
May 13 21:54:19 <NuttyBunny> rwhitby: ah, on-device account delete?, nice, because the dr.skipped first use causes problems with sms, the messaging code says it, it only accepts one account :S
May 13 21:55:24 <smknutson1> how would I go about running ls-monitor?
May 13 21:55:37 <PatrickC> novaterm?
May 13 21:55:40 <PatrickC> I think.
May 13 21:56:25 <NuttyBunny> smknutson1: Do you know about novacom, novaterm, and developer mode?
May 13 21:57:01 <Jack87> rwhitby, before you told me how to force install ipks... could you refresh my memory or point me to a reference
May 13 21:57:01 <smknutson1> Ive added the masqfile via commandline Nutty, thats about as far as Ive gone
May 13 21:57:07 <Jack87> if there is no reference i will make one
May 13 21:57:24 <PatrickC> -force-depends ?
May 13 21:57:34 <PatrickC> that's the only force I know lol
May 13 21:58:33 <NuttyBunny> smknutson1: Ok, your device is in 1.4 or 2.1?
May 13 21:59:33 <Jack87> PatrickC, i think it was something like that sounds familiar
May 13 21:59:59 <PatrickC> that's how I got 1.4.5 sprint nav to install on 2.1 and actually run
May 13 22:00:08 <PatrickC> (until the login screen)
May 13 22:00:19 <smknutson1> 1.4.5 now, Nutty
May 13 22:00:52 <ajay> PatrickC: until the login screen?  and then fail?
May 13 22:00:54 * rwhitby bbl - final leg back to home
May 13 22:01:08 <PatrickC> ajay: it errored out at the login screen
May 13 22:01:13 <PatrickC> cya rwhitby
May 13 22:01:17 <ajay> bootsy
May 13 22:01:39 <NuttyBunny> smknutson: mmm... you have 3 options: make a 1.4.5 meta doctor with developer enabled, go to 2.1 and enable dev mode with ##DEVMODE#, or memboot with the installer image so you can enable developer mode on 1.4.5
May 13 22:01:43 <NuttyBunny> cya rwhitby!
May 13 22:02:29 <PatrickC> when I tried to login, it told me it couldn't start the service (or something like that)
May 13 22:02:48 <PatrickC> I believe it uses java services, which are non-existing in 2.x iirc
May 13 22:07:26 <RobiPre> anyone have a problem with silent sms msgs ? no notifications.
May 13 22:07:46 <PatrickC> do you have a patch installed to do anything like that?
May 13 22:08:11 <PatrickC> what OS? 2.1/2.0.1/1.4.5?
May 13 22:10:55 <RobiPre> 2.1, sconix messaging
May 13 22:12:07 <PatrickC> that has a per account settings
May 13 22:12:25 <PatrickC> like, for ring/silent/sound/vibrate iirc
May 13 22:12:48 <RobiPre> default is all silent?
May 13 22:13:10 <NuttyBunny> you may had installed it when it was silent
May 13 22:13:47 <PatrickC> I believe default is silent
May 13 22:13:52 <PatrickC> sconix: ping? :)
May 13 22:14:18 <RobiPre> dont see setting for those defaults
May 13 22:16:15 <RobiPre> all I have in tweaks is messaging system email & topbar
May 13 22:16:26 <NuttyBunny> no, no, not tweaks
May 13 22:16:36 <NuttyBunny> go to the messaging account, enter accounts and preferences
May 13 22:16:48 <NuttyBunny> there, on each account, you have a little bell icon, tap it
May 13 22:23:15 <RobiPre> I dont see that. these are for SMS there is only the palm account
May 13 22:24:20 <sconix> RobiPre: if you don't see the bell you don't have the framework patch installed which is needed by the messaging patch
May 13 22:25:03 <RobiPre> isnt it a pre-req?
May 13 22:25:14 <sconix> no
May 13 22:28:25 <NuttyBunny> isn't it? hahaha, I always thought it would be
May 13 22:28:33 <RobiPre> I only have the green ones installed
May 13 22:30:13 <sconix> So you need the Adv. Sys. Prefs - Framework if you have the Messaging patch, then go to messaging app, preferences and tap the bell icons to set the notification settings
May 13 22:33:27 <RobiPre> that one is not green?
May 13 22:34:03 <sconix> can't remember, the green only means that the patch has tweaks and I don't think the prefs framework provides any
May 13 22:34:28 <sconix> but the messaging patch tells clearly that the framework is needed on the package description
May 13 22:34:42 <RobiPre> ok. might need to have this one as a pre req :P
May 13 22:34:49 <sconix> its not a hard requirement since it would make updating the patches pita since preware does not support dependences on patches
May 13 22:35:28 <PatrickC> it doesnt.. oh
May 13 22:35:31 <RobiPre> hm ok. now of course this failed to install
May 13 22:36:08 <RobiPre> so uninstall all yer patches, then reinstall after the framework one..right?
May 13 22:36:20 <sconix> there is "normal" and legacy version of the framework patch, you most likely need the normal one, but there are still installations that require the legacy
May 13 22:36:36 <sconix> so maybe want to try to install both to see if neither does not install then you have some conflictin one
May 13 22:42:18 <RobiPre> removing the adv sys prefs*
May 13 22:43:01 <RobiPre> adv sys menus should not interfere
May 13 22:43:23 <sconix> no
May 13 22:43:33 <sconix> and the order of adv prefs patches installation should not neither
May 13 22:43:37 <sconix> they should install in any order
May 13 22:45:39 <RobiPre> kk
May 13 22:47:01 <RobiPre> gah bar assistant stillfailed
May 13 22:47:16 <RobiPre> when installing just the framework
May 13 22:49:47 <RobiPre> oh hm might have to disable some tweaks?
May 13 22:56:30 <sconix> no
May 13 22:56:38 <sconix> you just have some other patch installed that conflicts
May 13 23:10:10 <RobiPre> hmm
May 13 23:22:16 <RobiPre> this is getting funny down to only your patches sconix still failing
May 13 23:49:11 <sconix> well if you follow the wiki and do EPR and remove all patches and then start from mine and still they wont install then you have failed uninstallations of some paches and they have left modified code behind
May 13 23:50:08 <sconix> so follow the recommended installation route in the prefs patches wiki
May 14 00:09:51 <RobiPre> thank you, still working on specific patches to see which caused it..
May 14 00:12:51 <RobiPre> hmm palmcontactsVersion1_0.js.rej
May 14 00:13:56 <RobiPre> thats the only hunk left that fails
May 14 00:20:51 <RobiPre> usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmcontactsVersion1_0.js.rej
May 14 01:07:53 <smknutson1> anyone have an idea why my pre plus wont sign in to my profile or make a new one?
May 14 01:27:54 <smknutson1> Hey nutty
May 14 01:31:39 <NuttyBunny> hey
May 14 01:32:22 <smknutson1> Im unable to even create a profile
May 14 01:32:34 <smknutson1> I broke something :(
May 14 01:33:57 <NuttyBunny> do you at least have data access? (the Ev or 3G icon)?
May 14 01:34:20 <SineOt> or the 1X or E icon (it's E for EDGE right)
May 14 01:34:21 <smknutson1> Ev, yes
May 14 01:34:25 <SineOt> what does it show for GPRS?
May 14 01:34:29 <smknutson1> And im able to reset passwords
May 14 01:34:45 <smknutson1> but signing in and creating profiles do not work
May 14 01:35:09 <smknutson1> and I removed my device from my palm.com profile, so I dont think there should be a version conflict now
May 14 01:35:13 <NuttyBunny> Ev was for EVDO on the first revisions of webOS :)
May 14 01:35:31 <NuttyBunny> still on 1.4.5?
May 14 01:35:53 <smknutson1> Yes. I just created a brand new fresh 2.1 doctor that I will be trying in a few
May 14 01:36:09 <NuttyBunny> SineOt: It has shown me a G for GPRS sometimes!!! :D
May 14 01:36:44 <NuttyBunny> go to 2.1, you can work with morefreedom  using Impostah
May 14 01:36:59 <smknutson1> Ive also tried a new 1.4.5 doctor, battery pulls, and power+ringer toggle
May 14 01:37:02 <SineOt> G! Interesting
May 14 01:37:38 <smknutson1> (2.1.0 feels buggy on my device. I miss the gpu acceleration but even at 1ghz it feels clunky)
May 14 01:38:06 <NuttyBunny> btw, for those waiting for 2.1 Pixi, it will be shit. My Pre- with 2.1 flies compared to the Pixi :(
May 14 01:38:55 <NuttyBunny> Is there username autocomplete on wIRC? :)
May 14 01:39:22 <NuttyBunny> smknutson1: Pre minus or plus?
May 14 01:40:02 <SineOt> NuttyBunny: but it's wooooorth trying
May 14 01:42:26 <smknutson1> Sprint Pre Plus
May 14 01:42:49 <smknutson1> It was working fine until it was doctored with 1.4.5, and my mistake, I did NOT erase backup... (idiot I know...)
May 14 02:12:16 <smknutson1> Anyone know how to run ls-monitor?
May 14 02:31:39 <smknutson1> anyone help me?
May 14 02:59:06 <spatulator> hi folks, anyone know where I might find linphone app for alpha testing?
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