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May 16 03:02:37 <threethirty> howdy all
May 16 03:03:22 <threethirty> anyone know of a way to do this in webos? http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2011/05/lazydroid-controls-your-android-phone-from-your-web-browser/
May 16 03:04:31 <Cerealklr> @threethirty: Well, absolute simplest way to do it is through Google Voice. If that is out of the picture, I have a feeling there is a way to set this up, but I don't know that it's been done yet by anyone
May 16 03:04:31 <SineOt> Yeah... Use Google Voice :p
May 16 03:04:46 <Cerealklr> SineOt: Ninja'd
May 16 03:04:51 <Cerealklr> =P
May 16 03:04:58 <SineOt> Boooooo
May 16 03:05:01 <Cerealklr> Anyway, i'm off to bed all, g'night!
May 16 03:06:04 <threethirty> Cerealklr, ty, and nn
May 16 04:17:46 <NuttyBunny> Cerealklr: Now develop a script to import those conversations in a new database, sqlite or db8 and everyone will be happy! :D
May 16 05:23:27 <PatrickC> I made a meta-doc that has auto-install preware set to on, but preware never installs
May 16 05:23:56 <PatrickC> I see the preware icon with the little "installing" circle at the top of the icon, but it never installs..
May 16 05:24:03 <halfhalo> runroh
May 16 05:24:51 <PatrickC> yeah... and I have to uninstall/reinstall preware 2 times usually to fix it
May 16 05:26:30 <PatrickC> argg... g2g
May 16 05:26:33 <PatrickC> bbl
May 16 05:27:13 <PatrickC> ping me if someone can help, I'll stay logged on as long as the phone will stay logged on.
May 16 13:24:50 <smknutson> anyone here with a sprint pre plus?
May 16 15:00:22 <PatrickC>  I made a meta-doc that has auto-install preware set to on, but preware never installs
May 16 15:00:27 <PatrickC> I see the preware icon with the little "installing" circle at the top of the icon, but it never installs..
May 16 15:00:35 <PatrickC> and I have to uninstall/reinstall preware 2 times usually to fix it
May 16 16:23:09 <unsigned> Hello, I want to create a patch that stops certain annoying notifications that my carrier sends.. (http://imgur.com/a/Cc98k)
May 16 16:23:20 <unsigned> Whats the best way to go about doing that?
May 16 16:24:36 <PatrickC> not sure
May 16 16:28:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Holy crap, a carrier worse than VZW? Say it ain't so!
May 16 16:29:04 <NuttyBunny> unsigned: You could poke around in/usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui
May 16 16:29:11 <NuttyBunny> IGNTNUNLMTD: Meet Telcel in Mexico! :D
May 16 16:29:27 <PatrickC> haha
May 16 16:29:27 <unsigned> IGNTNUNLMTD, I get these once ever hour..
May 16 16:29:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> O.O
May 16 16:29:35 <unsigned> just to remind me how lucky I am to get serviced
May 16 16:29:39 <PatrickC> usigned: wow
May 16 16:29:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> NuttyBunny: what's so bad about Telcel?
May 16 16:30:10 <NuttyBunny> I get some "Sim Services: Check ADN" notifications every now and then
May 16 16:30:15 <PatrickC> they are on 1.4.(1)?
May 16 16:30:59 <NuttyBunny> IGNTNUNLMTD: Pricing policies, they have webOS stuck on 1.4.0, they cripple Androids by taking off most google apps and inserting yahoo ones, the service is horrible..
May 16 16:31:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> re: the Yahoo... rofl, that's awful
May 16 16:31:27 <NuttyBunny> but they have the largest gsm network here :(
May 16 16:31:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and same with 1.4.0
May 16 16:32:15 <NuttyBunny> they told me that it didn't pass the "homologation" area (wtf?)... My guess was that since they didn't get a cut from the app sales, they didn't allowed their users to buy apps
May 16 16:32:19 <PatrickC> wait... Yahoo apps on android? hahaha
May 16 16:33:25 <PatrickC>   I made a meta-doc that has auto-install preware set to on, but preware never installs
May 16 16:33:30 <PatrickC> I see the preware icon with the little "installing" circle at the top of the icon, but it never installs..
May 16 16:33:35 <PatrickC> and I have to uninstall/reinstall preware 2 times usually to fix it
May 16 16:34:12 <RagingMind> Voices or Voice Memos?
May 16 16:34:13 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC, yep, it's a known bug, I don't know how you didn't knew of it... it's (buried) in the 5000posts thread for the 2.1 update!!! :D  LOL
May 16 16:34:42 <PatrickC> lol..
May 16 16:34:51 * PatrickC probably should have googled :P
May 16 16:35:19 * NuttyBunny reboots the Plus.... everyone, please, cross fingers.... if this works, the barrier that didn't let me go on with the plugins will be lifted
May 16 16:35:27 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny IGNTNUNLMTD, I'd take yahoo maps over google any day
May 16 16:35:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> But I'd take Bing over both... go webOS! :)
May 16 16:36:14 * IGNTNUNLMTD crosses fingers!
May 16 16:36:20 * NuttyBunny prefers NDrive... :D
May 16 16:36:22 <PatrickC> id take nDrive over all any day :)
May 16 16:36:23 <RagingMind> google maps are just aweful
May 16 16:36:26 <PatrickC> haha
May 16 16:36:46 <PatrickC> nuttybunny: High Five!
May 16 16:36:53 <RagingMind> I can't afford ndrive :-P
May 16 16:36:58 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: hahaha
May 16 16:37:10 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: Me neither.... that's the reason we're beta testers ;)
May 16 16:37:24 <RagingMind> and I have a Vzw Pre+... my GPS isn't worth spending that kind of money on
May 16 16:37:30 <PatrickC> hmm.. my "K" key, which should show ":" as the alt, shows "`"
May 16 16:37:42 <PatrickC> RagingMind: see PM :)
May 16 16:38:33 <NuttyBunny> Ok, plus booted.. fingers crossed, creating account...
May 16 16:38:50 * PatrickC crosses every part of his body :D
May 16 16:38:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> RagingMind: Truth, VZW sucks re: GPS
May 16 16:39:11 <NuttyBunny> ok, it's really hard to type with the fingers crossed
May 16 16:39:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> although the Pre 2... not so bad!
May 16 16:39:20 <IGNTNUNLMTD> NuttyBunny: lol
May 16 16:39:35 <PatrickC> haha
May 16 16:40:38 <NuttyBunny> well, it didn't work as expected, but at least it didn't crash
May 16 16:40:48 <webOSBuckeye> hey guys do you still need tokens for the Veer?
May 16 16:40:58 <webOSBuckeye> i have'em ready to go in an e-mail, just need an address to send them to...
May 16 16:42:25 <RagingMind> webOSBuckeye, I think rwhitby may be interested, but I'm pretty sure this is his sleepy time
May 16 16:43:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> tokens?
May 16 16:44:04 <webOSBuckeye> anyone have an e-mail for him?  yeah tokens from the show properties app
May 16 16:44:47 <Loudergood> how about a link to a webos doctor?
May 16 16:45:32 * NuttyBunny cries and returns to his corner, blames /lib/libc.so.6
May 16 16:50:59 * NuttyBunny returns hopping around
May 16 16:51:33 <NuttyBunny> IT FREAKING WORKS!! IT SEEMS TO WORK AS INTENDED!!   :D
May 16 16:51:42 * NuttyBunny tests his other accounts
May 16 16:52:04 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, what are you doing that's different from the messaging plugins in the forums?
May 16 16:52:40 <morphis> NuttyBunny: I merged your patch for the fso-installer
May 16 16:53:52 <NuttyBunny> morphis: Nice, thanks!  Sorry for the mixup, it was the first time I needed to generate a git patch :D
May 16 16:54:32 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: It's EXACTLY the same, in fact, what I just managed to do is to jump from Greg's compiling environment to Rod's WIDK :D
May 16 16:55:36 <RagingMind> so now it can be in preware?
May 16 16:55:42 <morphis> NuttyBunny: no problem at all
May 16 16:56:01 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: I don't see an email yet ;)
May 16 16:56:02 <morphis> NuttyBunny: I fixed one mistake you made, you did a "tar --xz" which cannot work
May 16 16:56:10 <morphis> NuttyBunny: should be a "tar -- -xz"
May 16 16:57:47 <NuttyBunny> morphis: mmm... yes... there's a possibility that it slipped by :)   but hey, you got the idea of that on-the-fly decompressing :D
May 16 16:59:24 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: email? it's still crashing, not as often, I still have some work to do ... and it's still incomplete, fbchat is not there, and I still have to rebuild sametime and office communicator.... The first hurdle is the crash
May 16 16:59:53 <PatrickC> well.. at least it isn't crashing :)
May 16 17:00:07 <PatrickC> well.. not atm.. once I get it it probably will lol
May 16 17:00:38 <NuttyBunny> it crashed here, twice now... gonna rebuild other libraries, hold on
May 16 17:00:48 <PatrickC> ok
May 16 17:01:04 * PatrickC holds onto desk
May 16 17:02:49 <morphis> NuttyBunny: yes, I got it :)
May 16 17:11:15 * PatrickC just found a freehost with unlimited FTP and bandwidth hehe
May 16 17:13:01 <Loudergood> PatrickC: really?
May 16 17:13:12 <PatrickC> yeah.. and they give 3 email accounts
May 16 17:17:49 <PatrickC> http://x10hosting.com is the address irc
May 16 17:17:51 <PatrickC> iirc*
May 16 17:25:45 <NuttyBunny> mmm... checking out
May 16 17:25:57 <NuttyBunny> s/out/ it /
May 16 17:25:58 <infobot> NuttyBunny meant: mmm... checking  it
May 16 17:26:07 <NuttyBunny> grr
May 16 17:26:15 <Cerealklr> close enough. =]
May 16 17:26:48 <PatrickC> hehe
May 16 17:30:31 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: But I cannot use my domain there :S
May 16 17:30:37 <PatrickC> why?
May 16 17:33:59 <NuttyBunny> I can't host nuttybunny.com with the free version :)
May 16 17:34:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> if one was to buy paid hosting, MediaTemple seems expensive but it's the best out there by far
May 16 17:37:53 <NuttyBunny> Well, it will be later, right now I only would host a couple of things :)
May 16 17:38:56 <Loudergood> yeah I've heard good things about nearly free speech
May 16 18:15:26 <mandaman2k> Hi all, i was looking if someone could help me with the issue that the messaging app does not reconnect after the connection is lost
May 16 18:39:43 <mandaman2k> anyone? please?
May 16 18:43:58 <ka6sox-sick> which messaging app?
May 16 18:45:06 <mandaman2k> gtalk
May 16 18:46:00 <mandaman2k> what happens is that in 2.1.0 there is a code where it says that if signal is low or no data connection, to disconnect
May 16 18:46:29 <mandaman2k> but after you gain data connection again, it wont reconnect to gtalk or any other IM service
May 16 18:47:18 <ka6sox-sick> have you contacted the maintainer of that app?
May 16 18:50:03 <mandaman2k> umm, it is the stock messaging app from webos...
May 16 18:50:30 <ka6sox-sick> then its more appropriate (and you might get more help) in #webos
May 16 18:56:28 <NuttyBunny> mandaman2k: It's set that way in the source code.  As soon as I manage to recompile it properly (it crashes when connecting to a TLS server), I'll post an update to Greg's plugins, and maybe I'll patch Palm's libraries as well
May 16 18:58:24 <mandaman2k> NuttyBunny: oh ok thanks, and a patch is what i was thinking about, but i've never done a patch so i thought that maybe with your help we could make one
May 16 19:00:59 <NuttyBunny> mandaman2k: There are 2 options for doing this: 1. Change the purpletransport library, patching the source code, and recompiling it, or create a routine that waits for a connection to come up, and then issue a connect signal to the messaging app. The second option is more universal, and could be more configurable, but the idea just came last wednesday, and well, U2 came and I didn't do anything in the weekend :)
May 16 19:02:54 <mandaman2k> hahaha, I know, I also went to U2, what a great concert, but the f#@!ing traffic was not normal
May 16 19:03:08 <mandaman2k> and yes i was thinking also on the second option
May 16 19:04:45 <mandaman2k> NuttyBunny: umm and when do you think your are going to start on the patch? so maybe I could help you
May 16 19:09:29 <NuttyBunny> mandaman2k: well... I hope no later than this week, but I really want to fix the plugins first.
May 16 19:10:53 <mandaman2k> ok ok, or could you guide me on how to start the patch? to gain a little bit of time
May 16 19:13:08 <NuttyBunny> mandaman2k: well, the idea is to code a function that has a callback that gets activated whenever a network connection goes online, this function should call every messaging account and set them to online. I haven't look at the files and I really don't know where to put the function, from where we should be making the callback, and the parameters for the messaging app, so, right now, the progress could be stated as -100% ;)
May 16 19:15:20 <mandaman2k> NuttyBunny: wow it is much harder than I expected, but I'll start reviewing the source code of the messaging app to see were to send the connect command
May 16 19:16:38 <NuttyBunny> mandaman2k: ok! :D
May 16 19:18:55 <PatrickC> mandaman2k: this patch is gonna be tough.. fyi :)
May 16 19:26:52 <mandaman2k> PatrickC: NuttyBunny: The sourcecode for the 2.1.2 from the veer hasn't been uploaded, right? beacuse we could also check if this issue was resolved on that update and back port it this one.....
May 16 19:27:13 <PatrickC> check opensource.palm.com
May 16 19:28:45 <NuttyBunny> mandaman2k: I really don't think so, they tend to release source code a week after the doctors hit the page
May 16 19:29:46 <mandaman2k> NuttyBunny: ok i'll keep checking often to see when it is uploaded
May 16 19:30:51 <mandaman2k> NuttyBunny: this code, http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/282197-google-talk-webos-2-0-doesnt-re-login-after-signal-loss.html#post2960194 where did you find it?
May 16 19:31:01 <NuttyBunny> mandaman2k: yeah, check on PreCentral, I'll have 2 preware feeds, one for testing and one for releases, I'll post them on the thread.
May 16 19:31:55 <NuttyBunny> mandaman2k: imlibtransport service, it's on Palm's open source page
May 16 19:32:20 <mandaman2k> NuttyBunny, ok great thanks
May 16 19:32:33 <NuttyBunny> aaaaaaaand... Outlook died again... stupid Microsoft :@
May 16 19:33:05 <mandaman2k> jajajajaja, no comments
May 16 19:34:05 <NuttyBunny> The worst thing that can happen is that you are answering an email, move to other thing, then it dies, and you forget of the email... :S
May 16 19:41:14 <oc80z> hey uNiXpSyChO
May 16 19:41:35 <oc80z> erround? is there VIA Padlock AES support on the orig pre/pre2 etc..?
May 16 19:42:19 <oc80z> kernel modules, cryptographic api modules, kmod crypto-core (has the AES/SHA hw crypto stuffs, for SSL/AES256BF)
May 16 21:30:57 <scotter> does anybody know what causes the music player to randomly skip certain tracks?
May 16 21:31:41 <scotter> There is nothing with the tracks themselves that raises any flags to me, they're a mixture of different types, some m4a some mp3 etc
May 16 21:32:29 <NuttyBunny> scotter: Nope, mine does it as well :S
May 16 21:33:49 <scotter> strange, is it a known issue?
May 16 21:34:21 <bnceo`> sigh
May 16 21:34:25 <bnceo`> I just got back from the AT&T store
May 16 21:34:29 <bnceo`> who wants to read my experience?
May 16 21:34:57 <SineOt> bnceo`: did the Veer have Facebook preinstalled on it?
May 16 21:35:02 <bnceo`> nope
May 16 21:35:13 <bnceo`> guess you want to read it?
May 16 21:35:27 <NuttyBunny> scotter: Well, no, I haven't seen it reported
May 16 21:35:29 <SineOt> I mostly just want the Exhibition enabled Facebook app :C
May 16 21:35:40 <NuttyBunny> bnceo`: I want to read
May 16 21:36:07 <bnceo`> http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2964255#post2964255
May 16 21:36:20 <bnceo`> SineOt: that's coming I bet
May 16 21:36:32 <bnceo`> it just seems like such a cool idea to have a live FB feed
May 16 21:36:52 <SineOt> Yeah, but it's kind of annoying. They showed it off on device at the Feb 9th event, press shots of the Veer show it
May 16 21:36:57 <SineOt> but you can't get it anywhere
May 16 21:37:09 <bnceo`> I DLed Angry Birds on the phone
May 16 21:37:20 <bnceo`> but the way they have the security band, it's hard to fully launch
May 16 21:38:11 <bnceo`> I should have looked for Facebook. That's my bad
May 16 21:38:32 <SineOt> Nah, no worries. I'm still only seeing 1.5 on my Pre2
May 16 21:38:49 <SineOt> and it's not included in the doctor
May 16 21:39:00 <bnceo`> it wouldn't be included in doc
May 16 21:39:06 <SineOt> so it's either 2.1.2 only (not likely) or it just hasn't been shipped yet
May 16 21:40:59 <Jack87> scotter: sometimes the headphones jack mess with tracks
May 16 21:41:13 <bnceo`> FB is being worked on for 2.1 devices according to Kerris
May 16 21:41:25 <Jack87> try it. play songs and fiddle with the headphones in the port ever so slightly
May 16 21:41:52 <scotter> Jack87: it happens even without using headphones
May 16 21:41:55 <NuttyBunny> Jack87: It skips complete tracks
May 16 21:42:48 <rwhitby> bnceo`: kerris actually only said facebook is being worked on. my assumption is he means an enyo facebook app that will only work on webos 3.x devices
May 16 21:43:19 <bnceo`> Hmm, I would say that's the bigger project, but there has to be an intermediate update for phones
May 16 21:43:47 <rwhitby> "there has to be"?  I doubt it. webOS 2.x is dead to Palm, everyone is working on 3.x
May 16 21:44:13 <bnceo`> So no FB update for phones until they got 3.0?
May 16 21:44:17 <bnceo`> wonder how long away that is
May 16 21:44:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> this mentality of "there has to be" among webOS users is getting more and more sickening
May 16 21:44:31 <rwhitby> unless they have two facebook teams, why would they put their only team on anything other than for the touchpad?
May 16 21:44:50 <NuttyBunny> Agreed :(
May 16 21:45:13 <NuttyBunny> but they should at least fix the ssl and the timeline bugs :S
May 16 21:45:25 <bnceo`> Sorry Rod. What NB said. That's what I meant
May 16 21:45:35 <bnceo`> fix the bugs and let the phone people hold over for a bit
May 16 21:45:46 <bnceo`> I didn't mean a full on 2.0 update for phones. Just a big fix
May 16 21:45:48 <bnceo`> bug*
May 16 21:46:56 * NuttyBunny preps "the Pixi".
May 16 21:47:19 <bnceo> :o
May 16 21:47:25 <bnceo> the infamous/famous pixi 2.0 project?
May 16 21:47:39 <Loudergood> he's called nutty for a reason ;)
May 16 21:47:43 <bnceo> haha
May 16 21:47:48 <NuttyBunny> Yep... it can't be done with a Doctor
May 16 21:49:22 <bnceo> so yeah
May 16 21:49:30 <bnceo> I'm sorta still steaming at my local AT&T store
May 16 21:49:44 <NuttyBunny> And, like Palm, I need to move on other things. I don't know how I got dragged onto this :S
May 16 21:50:47 <NuttyBunny> rwhitby: On every "full erase" and "erase apps and data", the devmode_enabled file gets wiped?
May 16 21:50:54 <rwhitby> yes
May 16 21:51:01 <rwhitby> it's in /var
May 16 21:51:29 <NuttyBunny> right :)  Thanks
May 16 21:51:39 <SineOt> rwhitby: and not just for the TouchPad, since I remember them stating that the 2.x/3.x lines will merge later on which I take to assume that 3.0 will arrive on phones
May 16 21:54:31 <phoque_uni> wild... somehow Preware is now notifying me of an update for one of my apps that I've added using the FeedGenerator and Dropbox
May 16 21:54:36 <phoque_uni> I did that days ago
May 16 21:55:15 <SineOt> totally conjecture, but if a webOS slate exists then I have a feeling it wasn't announced just because it would have meant a 3.0 launch for phones + tablet for the virtual keyboard, and it would have looked bad to be launching the Pre3 on 2.x and the Pre Slate on 3.x
May 16 22:01:42 <PatrickC> bnceo: nice read
May 16 22:02:59 <NuttyBunny> cloning the Pixi..
May 16 22:04:50 <NuttyBunny> bnceo: damn, those people suck :(
May 16 22:05:22 <SineOt> that's par for the course though. retail floor people in carrier stores tend to know nothing about the products they're selling
May 16 22:05:27 <SineOt> because it's just a job, not an enjoyment
May 16 22:09:50 <Jack87> I'm reading that thread now and its very disappointing. also making me want a veer. however I'm on sprint.
May 16 22:10:25 * PatrickC keeps getting emails from AT&T about an IRC botnet..
May 16 22:10:28 <PatrickC> uhoh
May 16 22:10:42 <halfhalo> those silly botnets
May 16 22:10:55 <PatrickC> well.. this is the second one. :/
May 16 22:11:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> thing is, I bet you almost any of us in here could sell more of any kind of any phone from a carrier store in 1 day than their best sales rep
May 16 22:11:16 <halfhalo> Still debating wether to pick up a veer or focus friday... gah...
May 16 22:12:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> just think of the TouchPiss UI
May 16 22:12:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> that should be enough to dissuade you
May 16 22:12:16 <PatrickC> what? lol
May 16 22:12:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> or is the Focus the Windows 7 version?
May 16 22:12:36 <ctbeiser> The focus felt pretty cheap and chintzy to me when I used it, and from my experience with samsung hardware, it's not something I'd buy.
May 16 22:12:41 <halfhalo> what touchpiss ui... the focus is a samsung wp7 with the superawesome superamoled
May 16 22:13:16 * PatrickC thinks all halfhalo cares about is amoled :D
May 16 22:13:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah
May 16 22:14:04 <Cerealklr> well, from the demo pics, I'll attest that W7P has a sort of metro flare to it, but I think it's like trying to dress the dog up in pearls and taking it to dinner =P
May 16 22:14:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> TouchPiss = my special, deserving name for TouchWiz UI = the single worst UI and UX in the mobile market today
May 16 22:14:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> generally I hate Samsung
May 16 22:14:34 <Cerealklr> ^^^^ Agreed. God the Instinct was atrocious
May 16 22:14:44 <Cerealklr> Good riddance.
May 16 22:14:53 <ctbeiser> The thing I dislike about WP7 is that it's pretty much impossible to get anything done quickly at all.
May 16 22:15:01 <PatrickC> IGNTNUNLMTD: ah
May 16 22:15:01 <halfhalo> For a device that would be my main media player (as the samsung would), superamoled is a requirement,  The plain amoled on my epic is nice as it is.  Buuuuttttt  I also want to dev on the veer now...
May 16 22:15:20 <ctbeiser> It's insanely pretty, granted, but it's impossible to actually use..
May 16 22:15:20 <IGNTNUNLMTD> get the Veer and then a TouchPad
May 16 22:15:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you won't be sorry
May 16 22:15:36 <SineOt> unless one of them kills your family
May 16 22:15:40 <SineOt> then you'll be sorry
May 16 22:15:47 <Cerealklr> He makes a good point
May 16 22:15:51 <Cerealklr> I'd take it into consideration
May 16 22:15:54 <ctbeiser> Why is it that people want to watch movies on telephones? I just don't get it.
May 16 22:16:19 <PatrickC> ctbeiser: I want to
May 16 22:16:29 <PatrickC> like, on a trip.. netflix would be awesome
May 16 22:16:56 <halfhalo> If I get the veer now, I doubt i will get a wp7 device for a long time.  However, If i get the focus now, I'll just end up buying the veer off contract within a few months just to have one
May 16 22:17:15 <SineOt> I used to not get it, but then I realized that laying in bed holding something smaller than a laptop/tablet is awesome
May 16 22:17:33 <Cerealklr> halfhalo: Well the simple solution is to find one of each to play with
May 16 22:17:37 <SineOt> oil: oh, my death grip on the Pre? It also works holding it upside down. I KNEW there was a reason why I held it like that
May 16 22:18:02 <Cerealklr> I know that if Sprint ever manages to stock a Pre3 I'm upgrading to that, but I had to play with WebOS for 15 minutes before I chose it over a 'droid
May 16 22:18:10 <halfhalo> Cerealklr: I have played with both
May 16 22:18:48 <Cerealklr> halfhalo: Then experience should end up guiding you. Tally up the utility of both in your most typical use cases. =]
May 16 22:19:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> so that settles it: get the Veer, be happy.
May 16 22:19:47 <Jack87> Cerealklr: webos on pre2 and beyond is a whole different experine
May 16 22:19:52 <Jack87> experince*
May 16 22:19:52 <Cerealklr> Of course, we're more or less in this room because we see something in WebOS that we don't see in the competition. If you want a fully unbiased opinion it's going to have to be your own. =]
May 16 22:19:55 <halfhalo> nah... pretty sure going to end up with focus.  dammit.  At least I can use the pre2 as a phone now
May 16 22:20:26 <Jack87> halfhalo: still scared of com board swap :)
May 16 22:20:32 <Cerealklr> Jack87: Nothing makes me happier to hear (or sadder...) I'm considering just upgrading my trusty pre, but even running at 1Ghz it occasionally stutters a bit, and i'm worried about usability issues if I uphack it to 2.0
May 16 22:20:33 <halfhalo> no?
May 16 22:21:02 <halfhalo> I did a swap between - and + after the first devdays, twas easy
May 16 22:21:14 <NuttyBunny> returning THE Pixi to 1.4.5
May 16 22:21:38 <Jack87> Cerealklr: ya I just bought one and sprintified it.. nothing like a over clocked pre on 2.x... I now wonder how I delt with it before.
May 16 22:21:55 <Jack87> halfhalo: I'm just giving you shit.
May 16 22:22:17 * halfhalo cries in the corne.... wait... why is this room round!
May 16 22:22:30 <ctbeiser> Cerealklr : Have you tried changing the overclock to 800mhz? For no apparent reason it seems faster to me.
May 16 22:22:36 <Cerealklr> Heh, i'm a bit anxious about the amount of money i'd have to sink into doing that. =P Starving College student budget and all
May 16 22:22:48 <Jack87> Cerealklr: responsiveness and quality of screen plus physical build quality makes it feel awesome
May 16 22:23:31 <Jack87> Cerealklr: ya.. I got mine for $170 from someone who got it free as a dev device. I was a bit annoyed by what he was doing.
May 16 22:23:56 <Cerealklr> ctbeiser: You know, I never thought to. Perhaps tonight if I have a bit of scratch time i'll do some testing @800mhz and with the other kernels (been on Thunderchief as long as I can remember)
May 16 22:24:18 <NuttyBunny> Jack87: you should had reported him to Palm, those kind of people don't deserve to even call themselves developers :@
May 16 22:24:23 <Cerealklr> Jack87: I nearly convinced my family to let me fly out to the Dev Days too. Just missed it. -.-
May 16 22:24:32 <halfhalo> I think I am the only one who has a pretty much stock pre(s)
May 16 22:24:49 <Cerealklr> Oh well, now that i'm finally actually doing some WebOS development maybe i'll have a better excuse. =]
May 16 22:24:54 <Jack87> NuttyBunny, all i know is his first name. it really bugged me. but it saved me $30 as well
May 16 22:25:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> no, I have a stock Pre, a stock Pre Plus, and a stock VZW Pre 2
May 16 22:25:19 <Jack87> I still have not recived my dev device HP/Palm promised me :-(
May 16 22:25:50 <halfhalo> Glare at the person who's fault it is.  that usually works for me
May 16 22:25:51 * Jack87 has one stock pre
May 16 22:26:09 * Cerealklr glares at HP
May 16 22:26:14 <Cerealklr> it didn't work
May 16 22:26:16 <Cerealklr> =P
May 16 22:26:18 <Cerealklr> actually
May 16 22:26:20 <Cerealklr> more accurately
May 16 22:26:20 * NuttyBunny has a stock Pixi (or it will be in a few minutes after the Doctor finishes)
May 16 22:26:38 * Cerealklr glares at the stocking guy who missed a row when filling out shipment labels for the dev devices.
May 16 22:26:41 <Cerealklr> Did that one work for you?
May 16 22:26:46 <Cerealklr> =]
May 16 22:27:01 <Cerealklr> Okay, everybody cross your fingers
May 16 22:27:12 <NuttyBunny> Ok, this can't be good... Dr. stuck at 8%... crap
May 16 22:27:23 <halfhalo> Besides being comswapped, my pre- and + are stock (save for bypassed activation), the pixi is stock, and the pre2 is stock
May 16 22:27:24 <Jack87> NuttyBunny, just wait for it
May 16 22:27:28 <Cerealklr> WOO
May 16 22:27:42 <Cerealklr> NuttyBunny: Validation!
May 16 22:27:52 <Cerealklr> This morning when I woke up I rewrote the script
May 16 22:27:56 <Cerealklr> to dump into JSON
May 16 22:27:59 <dtzWill|wirc> 'ello all :)
May 16 22:28:05 * dtzWill|wirc waves
May 16 22:28:12 <Jack87> dtzWill|wirc, hello!
May 16 22:28:14 <Cerealklr> and then for giggles I went ahead and started working on a quick HTML/SASS/JS viewer for chats
May 16 22:28:33 <Cerealklr> looks like everything is getting fully exported and sorted nicely
May 16 22:28:55 <Cerealklr> It's just a matter of finding a way to reinsert into the device now. The easiest way would be to copy the new devices DB off-device
May 16 22:29:03 <NuttyBunny> Cerealklr: Excellent!!! :D
May 16 22:29:13 <Cerealklr> and then on the computer run another script to insert the SMS/chat history into it
May 16 22:29:16 <Cerealklr> and then copy it back on
May 16 22:29:28 <dtzWill|wirc> Jack87: hi ^.^
May 16 22:29:29 <Cerealklr> of course, that's highly dependent on table structure not changing
May 16 22:29:40 <Cerealklr> but i'm sure converters could be written
May 16 22:29:46 <Jack87> someone is selling HP veer for $625 on ebay! its $350 off contract normally
May 16 22:29:48 <Cerealklr> to update between different table structures. ^.^
May 16 22:30:17 <NuttyBunny> Cerealklr: Yep, indeed, it has to be different, they differ even from 1.4.0 to 1.4.5 :(
May 16 22:30:29 <NuttyBunny> and now you have another database system
May 16 22:30:45 <dtzWill|wirc> Jack87: if they get someone to buy it, more power to them I suppose xD
May 16 22:31:01 <Jack87> dtzWill|wirc, i am just mad im not the one doing it
May 16 22:31:08 <NuttyBunny> Jack87: still at 8%, no processes running.... I'll give it 15 minutes
May 16 22:31:10 <Cerealklr> uhm. Thank God for cream soda and Webos Internals having awesome documentation on the database structures across major versions?
May 16 22:31:13 * Cerealklr is hopeful
May 16 22:31:35 <Jack87> NuttyBunny, ouch... did you run it via terminal to see what is going on?
May 16 22:32:20 <NuttyBunny> Jack87: Of course :D   Exception in thread "Thread-6" java.lang.NullPointerException   hahahaha
May 16 22:32:33 <NuttyBunny> I'll try again
May 16 22:33:02 <NuttyBunny> pfft... we were unable to reset your phone
May 16 22:34:09 <NuttyBunny> webOS Doctor: I LAUGH AT YOU!!!!  Do you really think you'll stop me from restoring 1.4.5 to my Pixi? Even if I have to wipe it and rebuild the partitions, I'll do it! :P
May 16 22:34:26 <Jack87> veer launch isnt even talked about on engadeget :( at least not that i can find
May 16 22:35:25 <keith> http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/15/samsung-infuse-4g-and-hp-veer-4g-now-on-sale-at-atandt/
May 16 22:35:52 <keith> http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/13/hp-veer-4g-review/
May 16 22:36:16 <Jack87> keith, thanks! i couldnt find it
May 16 22:36:40 <keith> np
May 16 22:36:50 <keith> pro tip: engadget uses tags so you can always search via tags
May 16 22:36:54 <keith> http://www.engadget.com/tag/Veer/
May 16 22:36:57 <keith> :P
May 16 22:37:11 <Jack87> roger that
May 16 22:39:54 <Jack87> they said "k. It's a chore to carry around an easily misplaced little nicknack like the adapter, "
May 16 22:40:08 <Jack87> but you can just attach it to your headphones and forget about it
May 16 22:40:18 <Jack87> I just hate that it only goes on one way
May 16 22:40:29 <keith> you know that engadget sucks now right?
May 16 22:40:32 <keith> everyone decent left.
May 16 22:40:41 <keith> http://thisismynext.com/2011/05/09/veer-4g-review/
May 16 22:40:45 <keith> this is where they all went.
May 16 22:41:17 <Jack87> ooo gotcha thanks (is it because aol owns it?)
May 16 22:41:24 <keith> correct
May 16 22:41:28 <keith> aol fucked it all up
May 16 22:41:31 <keith> everyone decent left.
May 16 22:41:33 <keith> the new ceo sucks.
May 16 22:41:51 <Jack87> haha sounds like the review was done by an ATT rep
May 16 22:41:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Joshua Topolsky was a pretty ardent Apple fanboy
May 16 22:42:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> engadget in general is just .... meh
May 16 22:42:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and has been for a long, long time
May 16 22:42:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> before the AOL fuckup too
May 16 22:42:27 <ka6sox-sick> language
May 16 22:42:32 <ka6sox-sick> we log this
May 16 22:42:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> pardon
May 16 22:44:12 <keith> joshua topolosky is a pretty ardent webos fanboy as well.
May 16 22:44:24 <keith> lucky for palm
May 16 22:44:29 <keith> too bad hes not anymore
May 16 22:44:47 <SineOt> I dunno, his Veer review came across as pretty positive
May 16 22:45:08 <SineOt> his real chiding point for it was that Palm can't just make okay hardware, they need to make amazing hardware
May 16 22:45:11 <keith> some ppl disagree and feel he ripped hpalm a new one.
May 16 22:45:31 <SineOt> I didn't get that from his review at all
May 16 22:45:59 <keith> me neither
May 16 22:46:02 * keith shrugs
May 16 22:46:25 <keith> IGNTNUNLMTD: i dont know of a better gadget centric site
May 16 22:46:35 <keith> ive read engadget since the beginning when ryan helped start it
May 16 22:46:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you have to go specialized
May 16 22:46:37 <keith> gdgt sucks
May 16 22:46:39 <keith> gizmodo sucks
May 16 22:46:49 <SineOt> I think it's some some people kind of can't pick up on nuances like "it's okay but should have been better" and view everything as like either TOTALLY HATE or TOTALLY LOVE
May 16 22:46:52 <SineOt> which is dumb
May 16 22:46:56 <IGNTNUNLMTD> there is no such thing as a good aggregate tech site
May 16 22:47:05 <keith> heh
May 16 22:47:05 <keith> i'
May 16 22:47:16 <keith> m not reading 30 sites to get mainly the same info.
May 16 22:47:20 <keith> engadget is fine
May 16 22:47:20 <IGNTNUNLMTD> reading *just* engadget is daily
May 16 22:47:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> er
May 16 22:47:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lazy
May 16 22:47:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 16 22:47:33 <keith> but you cant take reviews with a grain of salt
May 16 22:47:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I just like making a ruse in the comments
May 16 22:47:40 <keith> i dont have time for that
May 16 22:47:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> fair enough
May 16 22:47:56 <keith> ive posted maybe 5 comments my whole life on engadget
May 16 22:48:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's so easy to post something that will be a winner on there
May 16 22:48:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the crowd is easy to please
May 16 22:48:36 <keith> heh
May 16 22:48:47 <keith> sounds pointless
May 16 22:49:13 <SineOt> I just use ShutUp.css to never ever see comments period
May 16 22:49:23 <SineOt> it's awesome, the internet is so much better
May 16 22:49:54 <keith> i do like comments sometimes
May 16 22:50:14 <keith> just sick of trolls
May 16 22:50:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you must hate PreCentral then
May 16 22:50:48 <keith> i dont read it, correct.
May 16 22:50:58 <IGNTNUNLMTD> also, the winningest Safari Extension ever would be to remove all YouTube comments but the Top Commentors
May 16 22:50:59 <keith> i read forums.xbmc.org the most and i ban people who try to troll :)
May 16 22:51:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I should write that
May 16 22:51:13 <keith> people use safari extensions?
May 16 22:51:20 <halfhalo> people use safari?
May 16 22:51:20 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yes, I use plenty
May 16 22:51:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yes
May 16 22:51:29 <SineOt> yup
May 16 22:51:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> because for development, > *
May 16 22:51:47 <SineOt> µTube is awesome, cleans YouTube up to be an awesome, nice website
May 16 22:52:11 <Jack87> people just dont realize they can leave the dongle attached to their headphones do they?
May 16 22:52:53 <bnceo> keith and Jack87: I always said that if the Veer came with an HP branded Bluetooth headset, it would have been genius
May 16 22:52:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> SineOt: link?
May 16 22:53:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> bnceo: Beats bluetooth
May 16 22:53:19 <keith> bnceo: agreed
May 16 22:53:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> would have been EPIC
May 16 22:53:35 <keith> does BT work with another codec besides AMR yet?
May 16 22:53:46 <SineOt> IGNTNUNLMTD: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3372062/Safari%20Extensions/mTube/Index.html
May 16 22:54:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> oh nice
May 16 22:54:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> a little too excessive for me, I still like related vids
May 16 22:54:22 <SineOt> mix in ClickToPlugin so that YouTube uses HTML5 for everything and you're golden
May 16 22:54:22 <Jack87> bnceo, indeed stero of course :)
May 16 22:54:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I already hose the ads with AdBlock Plus
May 16 22:54:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah
May 16 22:54:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I do that to
May 16 22:54:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> too*
May 16 22:54:43 <Jack87> that alone can be taken out of their marketing funds
May 16 22:55:20 <keith> heh yes of course, a2dp
May 16 22:55:28 <keith> but does bluetooth support anything besides AMR codec?
May 16 22:55:38 <keith> i own bt speakers, etc
May 16 22:55:40 <Jack87> i wish the doungle was a USB adapter so you could still use any old micro usb cord you had just add the adapter to the magnetic strip
May 16 22:55:40 <keith> and they're all AMR.
May 16 22:55:44 <keith> AMR is shit.
May 16 22:55:48 <keith> Jack87: that'd be cool
May 16 22:56:09 <NuttyBunny> oh, crap...
May 16 22:56:18 <Jack87> i have no idea why they didnt come up with such a thing. or if they did why they dismissed it
May 16 22:56:23 <NuttyBunny> mi pixi is fucked.... well, gotta go.. c-ya :)
May 16 22:56:50 <PatrickC> what did you do to it now? lol
May 16 22:57:12 <keith> when you rush devices, stuff gets lost.
May 16 22:57:37 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: Well, since the Doctor wouldn't want to boot, I deleted the info on every partition except the boot one.... and the doctor still won't work
May 16 22:57:52 <PatrickC> uhoh
May 16 22:57:55 <NuttyBunny> and, of course, the pixi won't boot anymore :D
May 16 22:57:57 <Jack87> keith, hhaha i guess. it just seem so obvious and simple though. same concept as the headphones adapter
May 16 22:58:07 <Jack87> same concept as the ac adapter
May 16 22:58:18 <keith> i doubt anyone who designed the veer is still at hp.
May 16 22:58:18 <Jack87> or touch stone
May 16 22:58:19 <Jack87> haha
May 16 22:58:28 <NuttyBunny> I'll fix it later... c-ya!
May 16 22:58:36 <keith> the veer was probably designed back in 08/09.
May 16 22:58:38 <Cerealklr> adios!
May 16 22:59:00 <SineOt> yeah, the FCC filing for the Veer had the name Palm all over it
May 16 22:59:08 <SineOt> Pre3/Touchpad stuff has all been HP named
May 16 22:59:09 <Jack87>  lol http://www.amazon.com/Charging-professional-custom-outperforms-original/dp/9985622596
May 16 22:59:30 <Jack87> well we saw the battery and internals had palm all over it to
May 16 22:59:31 <PatrickC> haha
May 16 23:00:06 <keith> pre3/touchpad still are most likely palm designed
May 16 23:00:09 <keith> just later in the yr
May 16 23:00:13 <PatrickC> yeah
May 16 23:00:14 <keith> veer is probably 100% palm tho
May 16 23:00:27 * PatrickC wants a $50 veer.. but was too late :'(
May 16 23:00:43 <Jack87> keith, funny thing is for the touch stone you still need the old cable
May 16 23:00:56 <PatrickC> yeah
May 16 23:00:56 <keith> yup
May 16 23:01:29 <Loudergood> PatrickC: you know they all got canceled anyway right?
May 16 23:01:38 * PatrickC got a blackberry working with his ts
May 16 23:01:45 <PatrickC> Loudergood: they did?!
May 16 23:01:45 <halfhalo> That made me a sad panda...
May 16 23:01:57 <Jack87> so many of the palm branded accories are obsoleate kind of annyoing
May 16 23:02:48 <PatrickC> s/blackberry/blackberry charger/
May 16 23:06:38 <keith> any cable will work
May 16 23:06:45 <keith> i shaved my sprint car charger for the car
May 16 23:06:48 <keith> just need 800mA
May 16 23:06:49 <keith> IIRC
May 16 23:07:40 <Loudergood> the verizon car chargers must have one hell of an output
May 16 23:07:57 <Loudergood> mine charged my pre on a touchstone and an iphone at the same time.
May 16 23:08:15 <PatrickC> keith: I did it with no modifications
May 16 23:08:46 <Jack87> in the car the one that worked best with touch stone is the palm charger.. i jsut hate that you can only use palm usb cords in it because i cant plug my nook color in
May 16 23:08:53 <Jack87> which also has its own special cord
May 16 23:09:23 <keith> PatrickC: lucky you.
May 16 23:09:35 <keith> i had 0 luck with the official palm branded charger
May 16 23:09:39 <keith> the sprint one worked much better
May 16 23:09:50 <keith> Jack87: that one didnt work with my accord at all
May 16 23:10:25 <Jack87> keith, the palm branded charger didnt? really? anything else I used failed with the touch stone.
May 16 23:10:35 <PatrickC> Jack87: palm USB cables?
May 16 23:10:37 <Loudergood> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003WSGXXK/
May 16 23:10:46 <Jack87> yup
May 16 23:10:48 <Loudergood> that one is the sweet one, with a usb port on it
May 16 23:11:04 <Jack87> its too ugly
May 16 23:11:12 <PatrickC> I just use aftermarket things
May 16 23:11:18 <Loudergood> yeah but it chargest everything
May 16 23:11:23 <keith> Jack87: this was around july or august of 2009.
May 16 23:11:44 <Jack87> ya me to.. when pre first came out. i dirve an i35
May 16 23:11:48 * PatrickC didn't get a webos phone till mar 10
May 16 23:11:55 <PatrickC> march '10 *
May 16 23:11:55 <keith> i got one the day they came out
May 16 23:12:02 <keith> i had the touchstone mounted in my car less than a month later
May 16 23:12:06 <Jack87> i paid top dollar fo rthe damn thing when palm wasnt "discounting" anything
May 16 23:12:07 <PatrickC> haha
May 16 23:12:42 <keith> i paid $60 for both my touchstones
May 16 23:13:04 <keith> well 1st 2
May 16 23:13:07 <keith> now i have like 6 :)
May 16 23:13:24 <Jack87> hehe i got lucky on that i found them for $30 bucks.. then i found them at this local store for $5.. and picked up all they had 4 i think? haha now i have touchstones everywhere and carry one around to
May 16 23:14:29 <Jack87> Lisa also gave me one at scale. 7 touchstone total its really nice and hadny
May 16 23:14:44 <Jack87> i bought a bunch of the oem chargers on amazon last week for 4 bucks
May 16 23:14:50 <Jack87> cord and ac adapter
May 16 23:15:13 * PatrickC has 5 of those
May 16 23:15:17 <PatrickC> I need batteries
May 16 23:15:30 <Jack87> http://www.amazon.com/Palm-Original-Smart-Adapter-Charging/dp/B002ITKQKU/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1305587530&sr=1-1
May 16 23:15:43 <Jack87> PatrickC, http://www.amazon.com/Palm-Standard-Battery-Pixi-Pre/dp/B002CMITYI/ref=sr_1_4?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1305587530&sr=1-4
May 16 23:16:04 <Jack87> they are really cheap now and nice to have.
May 16 23:16:04 <PatrickC> good price
May 16 23:16:33 <Jack87> when the loose battery issue was happening i got two batteries from sprint so i havent needed batteries
May 16 23:17:09 <PatrickC> I have 4 devices, had 5 batteries, lost 1, now only have 4 again :/
May 16 23:17:33 <Jack87> pre/pre+/pre2/pixi?
May 16 23:17:51 <PatrickC> pre/pre+/2 pre2's
May 16 23:17:53 <keith> i have like 8 batteries
May 16 23:18:00 <keith> TWO pre2s?!
May 16 23:18:03 <PatrickC> yeah
May 16 23:18:06 <keith> why
May 16 23:18:08 <keith> do you need 2?
May 16 23:18:09 <Jack87> how did you manage that?
May 16 23:18:11 <SineOt> oh god PatrickC why do you have two of them
May 16 23:18:29 <Jack87> i know he got a dev device
May 16 23:18:31 <PatrickC> I had some issues with my first, emailed for a warranty replacement...
May 16 23:18:33 <Jack87> did you buy a verizon one?
May 16 23:18:42 <Jack87> oh your pre+?
May 16 23:18:44 <PatrickC> and they sent me a new one, and told me to keep the old
May 16 23:18:52 <keith> wow
May 16 23:18:54 <keith> lucky you
May 16 23:18:57 <Jack87> oh wow really?
May 16 23:18:59 <PatrickC> no, the pre2 was acting up.. and I got a replacement.
May 16 23:19:00 <PatrickC> yeah
May 16 23:19:00 <keith> can i have it? :)
May 16 23:19:01 <SineOt> why do i have a feeling that the issues were you doing something dumb
May 16 23:19:02 <Jack87> send me the one with an issue :)
May 16 23:19:10 <keith> i asked 1st
May 16 23:19:14 * keith shoves Jack87 
May 16 23:19:18 <Jack87> \haha
May 16 23:19:27 <PatrickC> SineOt: it was a wifi radio issue
May 16 23:19:31 <PatrickC> lol..
May 16 23:19:37 * PatrickC hides the pre2's
May 16 23:19:44 <keith> hide yoh kids
May 16 23:19:47 <keith> hide yoh wife
May 16 23:19:53 <Jack87> keith, PatrickC is a kid!
May 16 23:20:00 <PatrickC> haha
May 16 23:20:05 <keith> you seem like you were born in 87
May 16 23:20:10 <keith> so you might be considered one too :P
May 16 23:20:16 <Jack87> :)
May 16 23:20:16 * PatrickC was born in '96
May 16 23:20:25 <Jack87> keith, see the difference?
May 16 23:20:35 <keith> it was a joke anyways
May 16 23:20:38 <Loudergood> haha
May 16 23:20:49 <keith> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzNhaLUT520
May 16 23:20:53 <Loudergood> my gf was born in 87...still has a little maturing to do ;)
May 16 23:20:55 <keith> Jack87: not really :)
May 16 23:21:11 <Jack87> lol
May 16 23:21:23 <keith> hrm i should go move my car
May 16 23:21:33 * PatrickC just got his permit
May 16 23:21:59 * Jack87 wants to ride his bike but they keep delaying the maintance ahhh!
May 16 23:22:09 <halfhalo> Lulz
May 16 23:22:38 <Jack87> keith, i dont know what to think of that video
May 16 23:22:44 <keith> HIDE YOH KIDS
May 16 23:22:46 <keith> HIDE YOH WIFE
May 16 23:22:50 <keith> you've never seen it before?
May 16 23:22:55 <keith> you need to catch up your internet memes.
May 16 23:23:02 <keith> next you'll be asking me what a lolcat is
May 16 23:23:05 <Jack87> no
May 16 23:23:13 <PatrickC> heh
May 16 23:23:16 <keith> and what icanhazchesseburger means
May 16 23:24:09 <PatrickC> failblog!!!
May 16 23:24:38 <keith> 4chan!!!
May 16 23:24:49 * Jack87 wonders why we dont have a decent PDF reader for webos and envy's android 
May 16 23:24:54 <Jack87> keith, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pezdRcVe04c&NR=1&feature=fvwp
May 16 23:24:55 <Cerealklr> Keith pleaese, we're logged here. =P
May 16 23:25:12 <keith> ..ok?
May 16 23:25:18 <keith> and whats your point?
May 16 23:25:34 <Cerealklr> Unmentionable things ought not be mentioned. =P
May 16 23:25:34 <keith> Jack87: yes, i saw those 2 years ago, when they were new :)
May 16 23:25:40 <keith> what, 4chan?
May 16 23:25:46 <keith> lolcats?
May 16 23:25:48 <Cerealklr> shhhhh!
May 16 23:25:54 <keith> i fail to see what is unmentionable.
May 16 23:26:06 <keith> next you'll be telling me reddit is also 'unmentionable'
May 16 23:26:12 <Cerealklr> tacgnol might hear you!
May 16 23:26:26 <keith> who?
May 16 23:26:40 <Cerealklr> 0.o And here you claim to be speaking of lolcats
May 16 23:26:48 <Cerealklr> I don't even frequent the site and know the main memes!
May 16 23:26:48 * Jack87 wonders if its bad that he doesnt feel sorry for the girl in that video
May 16 23:26:52 <keith> i dont follow any of that crap.
May 16 23:27:01 <keith> 4chan/lolcats/icanhaz/reddit are all stupid.
May 16 23:27:18 <keith> but i'm not ignorant enough to know they arent where 90% of internet memes come from :)
May 16 23:27:29 <keith> are where^
May 16 23:27:32 <Cerealklr> Jack87: Hate to hop into the wayback machine, but do you know if WebOS world still offers the $25 plussing service? And if it does,  do you think 145 (w/ plussing included) is worth the difference?
May 16 23:27:43 <keith> Cerealklr: yes, they do.
May 16 23:27:49 <Cerealklr> been googling idly about and all the information I could find is fairly old.
May 16 23:28:07 <Cerealklr> keith: thanks. =] Unfortunately it means I still have to decide then... hrmm
May 16 23:28:11 <PatrickC> Cerealklr: why not plus it yourself?
May 16 23:28:26 <PatrickC> or 2.1ify it
May 16 23:28:33 <SineOt> PatrickC: you can blame someone else if it doesn't work
May 16 23:28:40 <PatrickC> true
May 16 23:28:42 <Jack87> Cerealklr, http://webosworld.com/device-services/
May 16 23:28:46 <PatrickC> good point
May 16 23:29:04 <Cerealklr> PatrickC: Fear? I've worked with analog circuits before, but this is a bit more complex than anything else I've done (and also, I want to plus it precisely so I can 2.1ify it. =])
May 16 23:29:30 <Jack87> Cerealklr, its pretty simple reall.y you can do it. I pulled it off with my pre2
May 16 23:29:36 <Cerealklr> Jack87: Ouch! Those prices have taken a hike
May 16 23:29:42 <Cerealklr> Guess if i'm doing it I'll be doing it myself!
May 16 23:29:54 <Cerealklr> in that case, is the Pre 2 worth it over the Pre Plus? =P
May 16 23:29:59 <PatrickC> Cerealkle: I have a minus 2.1ify'd
May 16 23:30:05 <PatrickC> yes!! yes!!
May 16 23:30:33 <keith> pre 2 is worth it
May 16 23:30:34 <Cerealklr> PatrickC: My minus is a thing of beauty, but she stutters a good bit at 1Ghz on Performance. Still need to do some more testing w/ other kernels and lower clock speeds
May 16 23:30:37 <keith> but not for 2-3x the cost.
May 16 23:31:06 <PatrickC> Cerealklr: 1.1GHz is much smoother then 1GHz for me
May 16 23:31:16 <Jack87> Cerealklr, if you can get your hands on a pre2 off contract for $200 or less its worth it
May 16 23:31:24 <Cerealklr> huh. Sounds like the sweetspot is anywhere but 1Ghz. =P
May 16 23:31:32 <PatrickC> lol
May 16 23:31:44 <PatrickC> I run my 2 (well, both) at 1.4Ghz
May 16 23:31:58 <Jack87> Cerealklr, doesnt matter what you do with your pre.. .peformance is not even comparable vs the pre2
May 16 23:32:08 <PatrickC> yeah
May 16 23:32:10 <Jack87> ram is a huge factor to maybe as i have not ran 2.0 on a preplus
May 16 23:32:32 <keith> i run 2.1 on a pre+
May 16 23:32:33 <keith> its ok
May 16 23:32:37 * oil runs 500mhz
May 16 23:32:37 <PatrickC> I would have frankenpre2'd a long time ago, but I still need my warranty
May 16 23:32:41 <PatrickC> lol
May 16 23:32:46 <Jack87> keith, you dont have a pre2?
May 16 23:32:53 <keith> no
May 16 23:33:04 <Jack87> precentral couldnt help you obtain one?
May 16 23:33:06 <bnceo> oil is old school
May 16 23:33:11 <keith> why would they?
May 16 23:33:19 <oil> actually, i run 720mhz screenstate
May 16 23:33:20 <PatrickC> oil runs 500MHz on his pre2
May 16 23:33:28 <Cerealklr> PatrickC: My warranty is starting to run short now, which is why i'm more open to it
May 16 23:33:30 <Jack87> not same keith that works for precentral?
May 16 23:33:32 <oil> pre2 isnt overclocked
May 16 23:33:34 <keith> nope.
May 16 23:33:42 <Jack87> haha
May 16 23:33:43 <keith> 16:34 -!-  irc
May 16 23:33:45 <keith> er
May 16 23:33:49 <bnceo> Pre2 goes down to 500mhz or even 300mhz if nothing is happening I believe
May 16 23:33:49 <keith> keith [~freenode@xbmc/staff/keith]
May 16 23:33:50 <PatrickC> why? the pre2 is awesome oced
May 16 23:34:10 <PatrickC> bnceo: yeah, 300MHz iirc
May 16 23:34:40 <bnceo> pre2 doing 1ghz is plenty
May 16 23:34:49 <Jack87> PatrickC, i run uberkernel at 1ghz and whatever other defaults are for it because the other kernels seem to not be as stable. i dunno why otherwise iw ould provide better info
May 16 23:34:49 <bnceo> webos just need 1ghz and 512 RAM pretty much
May 16 23:35:10 <Jack87> bnceo, how is is veer at 800mhz?\
May 16 23:35:13 <Cerealklr> bnceo: They said that about computers too. =D But seriously though, nothing would make me happier.
May 16 23:35:14 <PatrickC> Cerealklr: my warranty ran out in march (when I got my pixi last year) and I just got my pre replaced again a few days ago
May 16 23:35:16 <Cerealklr> =P
May 16 23:35:20 <PatrickC> they don't mind here lol
May 16 23:35:20 <bnceo> it flys man
May 16 23:35:22 <bnceo> like boom
May 16 23:35:31 <Jack87> soo 800mhz and 512mb of ram?
May 16 23:35:33 <bnceo> if anything, my oily fingers are not gonna love the gorilla glass
May 16 23:35:43 <bnceo> need to put a zaggshield on it
May 16 23:35:49 <PatrickC> my fingers hate my gorilla glass
May 16 23:35:49 <Jack87> bnceo, im getting used to it on the pre2 and loving it now
May 16 23:36:07 <Loudergood> yeah it took me a little bit to get used to the glass, now I love it
May 16 23:36:09 <bnceo> I have to wipe down my phone and now and then
May 16 23:36:15 * oil has yet to use anything better then a pre- as daily phone
May 16 23:36:17 <PatrickC> same here
May 16 23:36:25 <bnceo> I am thinking of getting a pre plus zagg and putting it on a pre2
May 16 23:36:31 <Loudergood> bnceo: isn't that what shirts are for? ;)
May 16 23:36:34 <PatrickC> oil: really? you haven't frankenpre2'd?
May 16 23:36:37 <Jack87> poor oil. dont you have a pre2?
May 16 23:36:45 <oil> yeah
May 16 23:36:45 <Jack87> you need to sprintify it yo
May 16 23:36:55 <oil> lol
May 16 23:37:04 <Jack87> halfhalo, where is our sprintifying video from scale?
May 16 23:37:08 <PatrickC> before I sprintify mine, I'll get a backup minus to be safe
May 16 23:37:21 * PatrickC wants to see it
May 16 23:37:22 <bnceo> I was goin gto sprintify my pre2, but I will be giving it to my cousin in Peru this summer
May 16 23:37:25 <bnceo> they use GSM down there
May 16 23:37:32 <halfhalo> We never finished the second one
May 16 23:37:46 <Jack87> i didnt swap the back pannel i swapped the commboard it self. so its a bit funky with the antena wires
May 16 23:37:49 <oil> one of my pre2s has a broken spacebar :/
May 16 23:37:52 <halfhalo> But the stuff I did tape is on some sd card somewhere
May 16 23:37:54 <Jack87> but i didnt like the back pannel from my old pre
May 16 23:37:56 <oil> the other i use for dev
May 16 23:38:00 <bnceo> poor oil =\
May 16 23:38:07 <oil> lol
May 16 23:38:16 <Jack87> oil, i wonder if its a loose connection
May 16 23:38:17 <bnceo> I assume the busted one is DevDay one?
May 16 23:38:22 <oil> nope
May 16 23:38:25 <Jack87> when you take it apart you might be able to fix it?
May 16 23:38:35 <oil> the devdays one which ive opened many times still works great
May 16 23:38:43 <oil> its the one wi bought that has never been opened which is busted
May 16 23:38:43 <PatrickC> lol
May 16 23:38:51 <Jack87> oil, how do you do it?
May 16 23:38:51 * PatrickC has yet to open any webOS phone
May 16 23:38:58 <Jack87> how do you not sprintify it
May 16 23:39:10 <Jack87> just swap the bad keyboard from your regular per?
May 16 23:39:10 <bnceo> only think I've done is do a Pixi Plus on Sprint. super easy
May 16 23:39:13 <oil> lazyness?
May 16 23:39:13 <bnceo> caveman can do it
May 16 23:39:13 <Jack87> pre*
May 16 23:39:26 <PatrickC> oil: haha
May 16 23:39:29 <halfhalo> Goodman
May 16 23:39:42 <Jack87> oh god life feels so good on a good phone lol.. i now realize how bad the original pre sucked ass... it was webos that kept me going
May 16 23:40:07 <oil> pre- still works great
May 16 23:40:13 <Jack87> halfhalo, rick got sick during the second one so i left to help him.
May 16 23:40:17 <scotter> Does the touchstone provide usb connection or just charging?
May 16 23:40:20 <PatrickC> mine works great too..
May 16 23:40:25 <bnceo> pre- on 2.1 is ok. Surviving
May 16 23:40:30 <bnceo> but man, that veer is lovely
May 16 23:40:30 <halfhalo> Ah, right
May 16 23:40:33 <PatrickC> scotter: just charging
May 16 23:40:39 <bnceo> so tempted to get another account just for it
May 16 23:40:45 <bnceo> though gf would be wondering why I need two phones
May 16 23:40:47 <Jack87> scotter, original touchstone is just charging
May 16 23:40:57 <halfhalo> Were you there for the last pre2 giveaway Jack87?
May 16 23:40:59 <keith> tell her drug dealing
May 16 23:41:05 <bnceo> haha
May 16 23:41:09 <keith> and for your hookers
May 16 23:41:11 <keith> and give her the eye
May 16 23:41:13 <keith> she'll shut right up
May 16 23:41:14 <bnceo> not a good look when you work for the US Army...
May 16 23:41:20 <Jack87> halfhalo, ya of course
May 16 23:41:25 <halfhalo> Good
May 16 23:41:38 <keith> tell her you're a spy then
May 16 23:41:38 <Jack87> you mean our give away not HPs?
May 16 23:41:40 <keith> and give her the look
May 16 23:41:46 <halfhalo> Yeah, ours
May 16 23:43:38 <bnceo> I wonder what makes the Veer locked
May 16 23:43:43 <Jack87> halfhalo, im in the video... with you :) http://www.twitvid.com/6OS8F
May 16 23:43:52 <bnceo> it just can't accept a non AT&T Sim I presume
May 16 23:44:07 <halfhalo> Lol, I didn't remember
May 16 23:44:45 <bnceo> I'm disturbed to watch this video
May 16 23:44:49 <bnceo> what is it?
May 16 23:45:06 <Jack87> webos internals giving away a pre2 at scale
May 16 23:45:31 <Jack87> to the first person to capture lisa brewseter and bring her to our booth
May 16 23:46:28 <bnceo> haha. hilarious
May 16 23:46:34 <halfhalo> Yup
May 16 23:47:07 <oil> all i can think is "awkward..."
May 16 23:47:07 <Jack87> halfhalo is the one handing it off
May 16 23:47:28 <Adora> can you see how white my hand is?
May 16 23:47:33 <Adora> that girl had a death grip on me
May 16 23:47:35 <Jack87> the hackers hired merceneries to capture Adora :)
May 16 23:47:37 <Adora> I had bruises!
May 16 23:47:45 <Jack87> did you really?
May 16 23:47:50 <halfhalo> You should have ran faster
May 16 23:47:59 <Jack87> i dont think she ran at all
May 16 23:48:28 <bnceo> anyone seen the new HP monitors on engadget?
May 16 23:48:41 <Jack87> bnceo, does it run WebOS?
May 16 23:48:43 <PatrickC> arg.. its not on youtube is it?
May 16 23:48:49 <bnceo> just a regular PC monitor
May 16 23:48:54 <bnceo> but the base is where the internals are
May 16 23:48:59 <bnceo> the screen itself is super thing
May 16 23:49:01 <bnceo> thin*
May 16 23:49:15 <bnceo> I might have to buy this
May 16 23:49:20 <Cerealklr> bnceo: That's what it wants you to think. Actually hiding a Veer in that base.
May 16 23:49:31 <Jack87> Adora, i dunno if you know this but that video was captured on an original palm pre
May 16 23:49:33 <Loudergood> does the veer ship with a new facebook app?
May 16 23:49:41 <bnceo> if the base had a touchstone charging dock on it, OMG
May 16 23:49:57 <bnceo> Loudergood: no
May 16 23:49:59 <Cerealklr> bnceo: Okay that would legitimately be one of the best things ever.
May 16 23:50:17 <bnceo> just to lay your phone on the base and let it charge
May 16 23:50:25 <bnceo> caues it's getting powered from the power cable
May 16 23:50:39 <bnceo> someone give me the number to HP!
May 16 23:50:43 <Jack87> hehe what about attaching it to the side of the computer :) that be fun
May 16 23:50:49 <halfhalo> Power cable of doom?
May 16 23:50:49 <bnceo> that too
May 16 23:50:55 <PatrickC> and using it for USB too
May 16 23:51:04 <Cerealklr> http://www8.hp.com/in/en/contact-hp/office-locations.html
May 16 23:51:07 <Cerealklr> problem == solved
May 16 23:51:19 <bnceo> http://www.engadget.com/photos/hp-x2301-micro-thin-monitor/
May 16 23:51:54 * PatrickC drools
May 16 23:51:56 <bnceo> So serious pre2 activation question here
May 16 23:52:03 <Jack87> bnceo, while you are at it tell them to have a usb dongle attachment for the veer rather then a funky cord... Adora make our voice herd  please :)
May 16 23:52:21 <PatrickC> bnceo: yeah
May 16 23:52:22 <bnceo> I already activated the pre2 here on AT&T from a friend's sim card. But it's out now and just using it as wifi
May 16 23:52:38 <bnceo> anyways, before I go to Peru on vacation, I want to doctor it
May 16 23:52:42 <bnceo> and wipe it clean
May 16 23:52:45 <PatrickC> and..
May 16 23:52:57 <oil> usb cord? touchstone!
May 16 23:53:10 <bnceo> I will then turn off and turn back on when I get to Peru. Here is where I will buy a GSM Sim Card
May 16 23:53:13 <PatrickC> and use the touchstone as the USB!!
May 16 23:53:31 <bnceo> now, will me flashing it now prevent peru sim card to see entire app catalog
May 16 23:53:40 <PatrickC> bnceo: I meta-doctored to bypass activation, and activated over wifi
May 16 23:53:43 <bnceo> or since I already activated the first time on AT&T here, he will
May 16 23:53:51 <PatrickC> stuck a friends SIM in it, and it worked fine
May 16 23:54:13 <bnceo> bypass activation, but not profile creation, right?
May 16 23:54:22 <PatrickC> I bypassed profile creation
May 16 23:54:29 <bnceo> see, I don't want to do that
May 16 23:54:30 <PatrickC> and logged in over wifi
May 16 23:54:56 <bnceo> I want my cousin to start fresh, minus the US catalog access
May 16 23:55:09 <bnceo> to create a profile and all that jazz
May 16 23:55:09 <PatrickC> then make a new profile afaik
May 16 23:55:45 <bnceo> IC. interesting
May 16 23:56:15 <bnceo> so yeah PatrickC. like that monitor
May 16 23:56:18 <bnceo> I'm impressed.
May 16 23:56:24 <PatrickC> I love that monitor
May 16 23:56:28 <Loudergood> the only catch is that he will have US catalog access with a new profile
May 16 23:56:40 <bnceo> that is fine Loudergood. that is what I want
May 16 23:56:45 <Loudergood> good
May 16 23:56:50 <PatrickC> it just needs a touchstone that can be the USB transfer too :D
May 16 23:56:59 <bnceo> omg. I know pat. I know
May 16 23:57:13 <bnceo> the new monitors with that base need a touchstone style charging area
May 16 23:57:40 * Jack87 says stick a touch stone on it and call it good
May 16 23:57:58 <bnceo> that works
May 16 23:58:04 <bnceo> but something just seameless
May 16 23:58:08 <PatrickC> Jack87: that doesn't solve the TS being the usb transfer
May 16 23:58:11 <Jack87> been fun chatting guys. im out
May 16 23:58:12 <bnceo> one less cable
May 16 23:58:22 <Loudergood> samba server ;)
May 16 23:58:25 <PatrickC> cya
May 16 23:58:28 <Cerealklr> adios!
May 16 23:58:44 <Jack87> have a good evening guys
May 16 23:59:01 <bnceo> yeah, gotta get going as well
May 16 23:59:04 <bnceo> back latars
May 16 23:59:10 <bnceo> for webos roundup prolly
May 16 23:59:10 <PatrickC> cyas
May 17 00:05:23 <Cerealklr> Mmkay, i'm off to get some exercise and do some much needed thinking. Something about the best code being done > 10m from a computer. =P Cya!
May 17 00:11:50 <Abyssul-Pre> Does anyone have their Pre- slow down immensly when they get a text message?
May 17 00:12:28 <Abyssul-Pre> Might see if doctoring will help
May 17 00:12:38 <Loudergood> any patches?
May 17 00:13:09 <Abyssul-Pre> indeed, webos 2.1 as well
May 17 00:13:25 <Abyssul-Pre> uk kernel
May 17 00:14:45 <Abyssul-Pre> also have trouble takes pics with camera. used to work perfectly after the uk update to fix it
May 17 00:15:08 <Abyssul-Pre> just thought I would ask if anyone had any ideas as to the issue
May 17 00:17:55 <Loudergood> new to me
May 17 00:20:19 <PatrickC> Abyssul-Pre: try f104
May 17 00:20:31 <PatrickC> I have no issues with F104
May 17 00:21:13 <Abyssul-Pre> ill try it but last time I tried it wouldnt even open the camera app.
May 17 00:21:48 <PatrickC> hmm
May 17 00:22:03 <PatrickC> if F104 doesn't work, I would try a doctor
May 17 01:48:17 <webostoandroid> where do i download 2.2?
May 17 01:49:29 <ka6sox-away> android or webos?
May 17 01:51:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> with a name like that, he's looking for trouble
May 17 01:51:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> in one way or another
May 17 01:51:57 <halfhalo> yup
May 17 01:55:33 <ka6sox-away> yup
May 17 01:55:37 <ka6sox-away> no kidding.
May 17 01:56:05 <webostoandroid> webos
May 17 01:56:06 <webostoandroid> XD
May 17 01:56:31 <ka6sox-away> do you have a webos device?
May 17 01:56:45 <uNiXpSyChO> i have it 2.2
May 17 01:56:55 <uNiXpSyChO> oops.  wrong window
May 17 01:57:00 <uNiXpSyChO> ;-)
May 17 01:57:23 <webostoandroid> yep
May 17 01:57:35 <webostoandroid> where can i just download it?
May 17 01:58:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> <redneck voice>You looking to start some trouble with that name, boy?</redneck voice>
May 17 01:59:28 <webostoandroid> no… lol…. i just typed in webostoandroid to say that webos trumps android...
May 17 01:59:30 <webostoandroid> have faith in me
May 17 01:59:31 <webostoandroid> lol
May 17 01:59:52 * uNiXpSyChO failure
May 17 01:59:55 <ka6sox-away> we think differently around these parts.
May 17 02:00:07 <ka6sox-away> looks like moving from webos TO android.
May 17 02:00:13 <webostoandroid> good
May 17 02:00:18 <webostoandroid> i can stop lying now
May 17 02:00:32 <webostoandroid> i am trying to port webOS to my android, well, to everyones android
May 17 02:00:43 <ka6sox-away> I see....
May 17 02:00:47 * uNiXpSyChO smells a troll
May 17 02:01:13 <webostoandroid> im not trolling....
May 17 02:01:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and guess what? that's illegal.
May 17 02:01:36 <webostoandroid> oh.
May 17 02:01:38 <webostoandroid> nevermind then
May 17 02:01:39 <webostoandroid> lol
May 17 02:01:53 <ka6sox-away> okay I'll ask it...why?
May 17 02:02:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> why is it illegal?
May 17 02:02:17 <webostoandroid> the license
May 17 02:02:20 <webostoandroid> right?
May 17 02:02:23 <webostoandroid> why not lol?
May 17 02:02:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yes. because it isn't open source
May 17 02:02:31 <webostoandroid> its just a proof of concept
May 17 02:02:33 <ka6sox-away> nm...missing point
May 17 02:02:35 <webostoandroid> dang
May 17 02:02:39 <webostoandroid> hmmmmm
May 17 02:03:01 <IGNTNUNLMTD> rod whitby had to throw down against some idiots on XDA a few months back... remember that?
May 17 02:03:09 <webostoandroid> no i dont
May 17 02:03:14 <webostoandroid> but thanks for telling me, guys!
May 17 02:03:30 <webostoandroid> good info to know before i waste my time on an illegal port
May 17 02:03:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, search XDA developers, there was a thread about this
May 17 02:03:39 <webostoandroid> okay
May 17 02:03:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> some guys tried porting it to the Hero
May 17 02:04:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and Rod Whitby stepped in and told them no, as he should of
May 17 02:04:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> have*
May 17 02:04:18 <webostoandroid> thanks for telling me
May 17 02:04:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> mhm.
May 17 02:04:50 <uNiXpSyChO> not sure why n00bs think it's so easy to port webos to another device
May 17 02:04:58 <webostoandroid> not a noob...
May 17 02:05:03 <webostoandroid> lol.. but its fine
May 17 02:05:09 <uNiXpSyChO> oh?  and you were asking for 2.2?
May 17 02:05:34 <webostoandroid> ?
May 17 02:05:42 <uNiXpSyChO> and how can you port webos to android?  Android is an OS, not a device.
May 17 02:05:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 17 02:06:03 <webostoandroid> webos is an os?
May 17 02:06:03 <uNiXpSyChO> webos 2.2 doesnt exist.  if it does it's buried in palm somewhere.
May 17 02:06:11 <uNiXpSyChO> damn kids
May 17 02:06:12 <webostoandroid> on the hp veer?
May 17 02:06:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> nope, 2.1.5
May 17 02:06:36 * uNiXpSyChO looks for a troll grenade
May 17 02:07:09 <webostoandroid> shipped with 2.2 my friends
May 17 02:07:50 <uNiXpSyChO> i'm running 3.0
May 17 02:08:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> uNiXpSyChO: ˚'(BAN) <- there's your grenade
May 17 02:08:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> now pull the pin
May 17 02:08:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and get it over with
May 17 02:08:17 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :)
May 17 02:08:28 <webostoandroid> http://mobilephonecheap.blogspot.com/2011/02/hp-veer-specs-smallest-webos-22.html
May 17 02:08:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> oh, wow, because "MOBILE PHONE CHEAP" is a reliable information source
May 17 02:08:58 <IGNTNUNLMTD> cool, good work.
May 17 02:09:40 <uNiXpSyChO> doesnt matter... the troll asked to download 2.2... it doesnt exist.  only up to 2.1
May 17 02:09:45 <webostoandroid> lol go on the att website or engadget bro
May 17 02:09:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> "bro"?
May 17 02:09:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> cool.
May 17 02:10:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, the actual version number on the doctor is 2.1.2
May 17 02:10:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Engadget knows as much about mobile technology as my 16 year old brother... "OH COOL BIG SCREEN"
May 17 02:10:45 <webostoandroid> hp has a phone called the doctor?
May 17 02:10:58 <IGNTNUNLMTD> <insert eyeroll here>
May 17 02:10:58 <webostoandroid> and whats all this talk of palm i hear? who are they?
May 17 02:11:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> back to Python
May 17 02:11:05 <webostoandroid> hm
May 17 02:11:06 <webostoandroid> >
May 17 02:11:08 * uNiXpSyChO hand is itching on the pin
May 17 02:11:10 <webostoandroid> like the snake?
May 17 02:11:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> oh just do it already
May 17 02:11:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's not like anyone will miss him
May 17 02:11:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :P
May 17 02:12:04 <webostoandroid> Well if theres a snake you guys better tell me
May 17 02:12:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> more because I want to hear the sound in colloquy
May 17 02:12:13 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :P
May 17 02:20:46 <NuttyBunny> PuffTheMagic: The correct expression for your last tweet, in mexican spanish, would be "NO PINCHES MAMES" or something like "no fucking kidding!"
May 17 02:21:36 <webostoandroid> boy do i love my android phone
May 17 02:22:52 <ka6sox-away> have fun!
May 17 02:22:56 <ka6sox-away> I'm outta here...
May 17 02:23:03 <ka6sox-away> got webos stuff to do.
May 17 02:24:53 <halfhalo> webos stuff in a webos channel? don't make me laugh
May 17 02:25:18 <ka6sox-away> ~lart halfhalo
May 17 02:25:19 * infobot beats halfhalo over the head with a microkernel
May 17 02:25:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 17 02:25:38 <IGNTNUNLMTD> uNiXpSyChO: what's the strike count?
May 17 02:25:50 <halfhalo> its only a microkernel, didn't hurt
May 17 02:25:52 <uNiXpSyChO> 2
May 17 02:26:15 * uNiXpSyChO has to open a bottle of MD20/20
May 17 02:26:39 <uNiXpSyChO> looking like strike 3 coming
May 17 02:26:54 <rwhitby> morning
May 17 02:26:59 <webostoandroid> so long guys, and thanks for all the fish
May 17 02:27:03 <halfhalo> morning
May 17 02:27:06 <uNiXpSyChO> troll
May 17 02:27:43 <halfhalo> is leaving when someon gets opped a foul? hmmm
May 17 02:27:58 <ka6sox-away> no
May 17 02:28:15 <rwhitby> So, what's the cheapest way to get a Veer right now?
May 17 02:28:50 <rwhitby> $400 off-contract from AT&T, locked?
May 17 02:28:53 <SineOt> five finger discount
May 17 02:29:02 <halfhalo> that's what it looks like
May 17 02:29:22 <rwhitby> Should be able to #*DEVMODE# it and then Impostah activate it for US and wifi-only.
May 17 02:29:37 <halfhalo> yup
May 17 02:30:00 <rwhitby> What's the lead time for that option? Can someone walk in off the street and get one without having to be an AT&T customer?
May 17 02:30:04 <bpadalino> rwhitby: $350 from amazon with no service ?
May 17 02:30:14 <halfhalo> let's see... if I time this right, I can pick one up Monday in addition to the wp7 focus friday
May 17 02:30:33 <SineOt> I'm fairly sure they can, rwhitby, but I think it may take some hassle to get them to sell one off contract
May 17 02:30:36 <Loudergood> bpadalino: I think that's it
May 17 02:31:36 <halfhalo> amazon has a lead time, don't they? with att you just walk in the store
May 17 02:31:51 <bpadalino> apparently an 8-9 day backordering ..
May 17 02:32:12 <SineOt> at the worst I think Amazon's lead time would be the 1 day for shipping out, but if it is on back order then there's that to factor in on too
May 17 02:32:37 <halfhalo> I'm pretty much stuck with online or in store with whatever phone I get on contract due to student discount
May 17 02:33:17 <bpadalino> MSRP from att store is $450
May 17 02:34:16 <halfhalo> then amazon is def the way to go, esp with no tax
May 17 02:34:30 <rwhitby> but we're talking two weeks lead time
May 17 02:34:41 <halfhalo> true
May 17 02:35:07 <bpadalino> $450 MSRP from BB too .. surprisingly enough, bb's website is saying $0 on contract ?
May 17 02:35:26 <rwhitby> I wonder if AT&T staff can get it cheaper off-contract.
May 17 02:35:53 <halfhalo> the question becomes whether its worth it to get the device two weeks early for 100 bucks... which is a no in my case
May 17 02:36:54 <bpadalino> i wonder if you bought it retail if they would give you the unlock code immediately
May 17 02:37:05 <halfhalo> I doubt it
May 17 02:37:29 <halfhalo> I'm betting 6 months
May 17 02:41:15 <halfhalo> you know... its almost cheaper to just get a family plan with two lines than get the device off contract...
May 17 02:41:45 <bpadalino> really??? how?
May 17 02:43:31 <rwhitby> bpadalino: I'd be using it wifi only anyway for development
May 17 02:43:45 <halfhalo> wait, thinking of a one year contract which would break even due to rate discounts
May 17 02:43:48 <rwhitby> so not really concerned about the cellular details
May 17 02:44:16 <bpadalino> rwhitby: understandable - just more of a business query than anything
May 17 02:47:03 <halfhalo> dang.  the focus is 500 off contract, so getting that subsidized instead of the veer.
May 17 02:53:00 <halfhalo> lol... att lists australia as australasia in their wifi hotspot locator
May 17 02:53:18 <rwhitby> australasia is short for .au and .nz
May 17 02:53:33 <rwhitby> like north america including canada
May 17 02:53:47 <halfhalo> only is showing .au everywhere else
May 17 02:53:54 <halfhalo> but good to know
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