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May 17 03:03:28 * halfhalo shall go by att store tomorrow to play with veer
May 17 03:04:54 <oil> "the what?"
May 17 03:07:55 <halfhalo> Thewhatnow
May 17 08:04:28 * Jack87 is sad that the new devices dont have TI processors in them
May 17 08:04:57 <ka6sox-away> wait till they brick with an OTA upgrade...
May 17 08:05:38 <Jack87> haha the qualecoms?
May 17 08:06:04 <Jack87> Qualcomm*
May 17 08:09:45 <Jack87> pixi has survived so maybe there is hope
May 17 08:10:19 <Jack87> destinal, are the Qualcomm's as "unbrickable" as the TIs?
May 17 08:26:50 <rwhitby> Jack87: no
May 17 08:28:19 <Jack87> rwhitby, sad
May 17 08:28:31 <ka6sox-away> very
May 17 09:51:46 <mpingu> hi
May 17 10:26:30 <mpingu> http://bellard.org/jslinux/
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May 17 11:06:01 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> rwhitby: Impostah should in theory support wifi activations on the veer, shoundn't it?  v
May 17 11:06:05 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?f=326&t=282562
May 17 14:43:10 <NuttyBunny> Hey, are we already installing the Veer 2.1.2 on our Pres? :)
May 17 14:44:25 <PatrickC> if you can.. DO IT :D
May 17 14:44:52 <PatrickC> I'll do it with you :)
May 17 14:45:08 <NuttyBunny> if the device name doesn't match, we're screwed, and it will probably be the case...
May 17 14:45:20 <RagingMind> is there any reason to do that?
May 17 14:45:26 <PatrickC> change the device name
May 17 14:45:35 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: Just for fun
May 17 14:45:44 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: No, the device type
May 17 14:45:56 <PatrickC> can't you change that?
May 17 14:46:14 <NuttyBunny> mmm... I don't explain myself... stupid brain, unfreeze!!!
May 17 14:46:28 <PatrickC> haha
May 17 14:46:42 <NuttyBunny> the kernel modules have to match the kernel name, exactly, otherwise they refuse to load
May 17 14:47:00 <PatrickC> oh
May 17 14:47:20 <NuttyBunny> Pre/Pre+ = "joplin", Pixi="chuck", Pre2=joplin as well
May 17 14:48:53 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, the proprietary kernel modules?
May 17 14:49:42 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: yep
May 17 14:50:02 <NuttyBunny> ah, we're pretty much screwed
May 17 14:50:10 <NuttyBunny> uImage-2.6.29-palm-shank
May 17 14:50:24 <RagingMind> ...shank?
May 17 14:50:51 <NuttyBunny> yep, new build name... and new kernel version as well
May 17 14:51:22 <NuttyBunny> Of course, I *could* leave the old modules there, and the old kernel, but I doubt it will even boot
May 17 14:51:22 <halfhalo> heh.... shank
May 17 14:51:32 <NuttyBunny> skunk
May 17 14:53:15 <PatrickC> lol
May 17 15:12:15 <NuttyBunny> Argh.. too lazy... ANYONE HERE HAS A VEER? :)
May 17 15:17:36 <RichT23> NuttyBunny: nope i think i would like one though
May 17 15:18:06 <RichT23> i read stuff that they might already have GSM/g3 compatable with the UK
May 17 15:18:51 <RichT23> though i take what "Palm" says with a pinch of slat these days
May 17 15:18:52 <NuttyBunny> RichT23: Pretty nifty little phones, aren't they? :D  I might as well grab one, just for the fun of showing it off to my gf, she got a X10 Mini Pro... same processor as the Pixi.. :S
May 17 15:19:28 <RichT23> i sould have my Pixi back again in the next few days
May 17 15:19:47 <RichT23> this time hopefully with the corect firmware
May 17 15:20:17 <RichT23> probally with the dent in it still though =(
May 17 15:24:29 <PatrickC> RichT23: what happened to it?
May 17 15:26:09 <RichT23> It just died one day... sent it of for repair they replaced the screen
May 17 15:26:31 <RichT23> and flashed it with some image from another provider
May 17 15:26:31 <PatrickC> they =? palm?
May 17 15:26:41 <RichT23> so i could not use my O2 UK sim in it
May 17 15:26:52 <RichT23> yes Palm...
May 17 15:27:03 <PatrickC> ah
May 17 15:27:20 <RichT23> but afterwards it had a 'small' dent in the face plate
May 17 15:27:30 <PatrickC> I take mine to sprint (well took) but they're a US based CDMA company
May 17 15:29:52 <RichT23> Mine was sent to the uk repair center for palm
May 17 15:30:11 <RichT23> some company that Palm subcontract the work too
May 17 15:30:23 <RichT23> they seem to do lots of phone repair work
May 17 15:31:18 <PatrickC> mine has always been repaired/replaced by my carrier
May 17 15:32:17 <RichT23> I see...
May 17 15:32:58 <RichT23> ya not sure why it was palm in this case... i had just spoken to palm support trying to find out what was up with it... they then said i should send it back to them
May 17 15:33:42 <PatrickC> O2 you say..
May 17 15:33:46 <PatrickC> yeah.. I find it weird
May 17 15:40:17 <RichT23> I never really liked O2, they are the only carrier for newer Palm's though
May 17 15:42:42 <NuttyBunny> ah, found the partitions :D  (ass).. hahahaha... broadway.xml, on the doctor
May 17 15:43:28 <NuttyBunny> Damn!!! 504Mb of Swap space??!!!!
May 17 15:43:56 * PatrickC thinks nuttybunny likes bricking his phone :D
May 17 15:48:07 <NuttyBunny> Well, seems like the only significant change is to grow the swap to 504mb
May 17 15:48:17 <PatrickC> good/bad?
May 17 15:48:34 <NuttyBunny> good, it's almost the same partition scheme as 2.1.0
May 17 15:49:44 <RichT23> thats a lot of swap space for a little phone
May 17 15:49:46 <RagingMind> that would make sense
May 17 15:49:47 <NuttyBunny> "bad" because I "only" have 5.5gb for media, and 4.7 for shr
May 17 15:50:23 <NuttyBunny> I don't think it's a good idea to play with the Minus, I'll do it on the Plus.. hehehe
May 17 15:51:26 <RagingMind> so... does anyone in here understand the OTA process in webos 2?
May 17 15:51:56 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: Do you really want to look at it? there are several files that get run
May 17 15:52:00 <RagingMind> would it be possible to trick a phone into updating, say from 2.1 to 2.2 if the update is not actually provided by the network?
May 17 15:52:27 <RagingMind> just wondering if I'll have to doctor my phone for each new update... *sigh*
May 17 15:52:46 <NuttyBunny> It could be done, but we need some files that are downloaded from the network, and well, I don't know that they do contain :)
May 17 15:53:19 <RagingMind> it would be nifty if we could take 2 doctors, package up the differences, and apply them to a phone
May 17 15:54:04 <RagingMind> though I imagine ota updates might have special scripts that would need to be run if any of the data structures needed changing?  *shrugs*
May 17 15:59:40 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: let me know what you come up with :)
May 17 15:59:51 <PatrickC> I'll happily brick one of my phones to help haha
May 17 16:05:01 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: The update scripts ARE in the Doctor, the problem is an update file... that I can't find its name.. argh
May 17 16:05:41 <NuttyBunny> data.tar.xz
May 17 16:06:20 <NuttyBunny> it should contain the files that get updated from X to Y version, including boot files and other if they apply
May 17 16:07:01 <NuttyBunny> but we should get our hands on one of these files.............. or... maybe Impostah can "learn" to download update images :D
May 17 16:07:05 * NuttyBunny grins evilly
May 17 16:07:09 <PatrickC> haha
May 17 16:07:50 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, can't we just look at 2 doctors and see what's updated?
May 17 16:07:50 <NuttyBunny> Of course, I don't have time right now, so I'll just try to slap the 2.1.2 rootfs on my Plus
May 17 16:08:41 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: Yes, we can, but we need to know exactly what that files should be changed
May 17 16:14:51 * PatrickC 's pre- has a massive oreo effect :'(
May 17 16:16:22 <PatrickC> and the easy fix doesnt fix ita
May 17 16:16:34 <PatrickC> and I don't want to mess with the tabs/hinges
May 17 16:17:37 <NuttyBunny> mine has a 2mm max oreo
May 17 16:19:10 <PatrickC> I think mines bigger then that :/
May 17 16:21:43 <PatrickC> mines 1/16in..
May 17 16:23:09 <NuttyBunny> About 1.6mm :P
May 17 16:23:44 <PatrickC> lol
May 17 16:31:27 <NuttyBunny> uncompressing rootfs now
May 17 16:34:16 <PatrickC> let me know how bad you brick it :P
May 17 16:34:49 <NuttyBunny> I hope not as bad as the Pixi :D
May 17 16:35:54 <PatrickC> haha
May 17 16:35:54 <PatrickC> or as bad as my pre2 lol
May 17 16:36:27 <NuttyBunny> I'm skipping the modem updater :D
May 17 16:36:34 * PatrickC kicks SHR
May 17 16:36:39 <PatrickC> lol
May 17 16:36:44 <PatrickC> making a meta-doctor??? :)
May 17 16:37:52 <NuttyBunny> me? meta doctor? nah
May 17 16:37:58 <NuttyBunny> not yet
May 17 16:38:07 <PatrickC> haha
May 17 16:38:16 <PatrickC> I'm talking could it be made a script?
May 17 16:39:16 <NuttyBunny> ok, here we go, reboot... let's see how much it takes to crash :D
May 17 16:39:22 <PatrickC> haha
May 17 16:39:38 <PatrickC> brb
May 17 16:40:18 * NuttyBunny face PALMs himself... of course it won't boot with the new kernel! :@
May 17 16:41:37 <Loudergood> lol
May 17 16:42:15 <NuttyBunny> I thought of switching to the previous kernel and I forgot to do it :)
May 17 16:44:11 <NuttyBunny> %&#"%$#"%$  stupid bootr... I forgot to remove it :D
May 17 16:46:04 <NuttyBunny> mmm... FLASHING LOGO????
May 17 16:46:24 <NuttyBunny> it stopped flashing...
May 17 16:46:27 <NuttyBunny> wtf
May 17 16:47:27 <NuttyBunny> And... flasing again
May 17 16:55:09 <NuttyBunny> well, pulseaudio dies :(
May 17 17:00:20 <PatrickC> so. no-go atm?
May 17 17:01:13 <PatrickC> pre2 cruzin along at 600MHz
May 17 17:02:53 <PatrickC> hmm
May 17 17:03:12 <PatrickC> how do I get Govnah to display the temp on the icon after I close Govnah?
May 17 17:16:01 <NuttyBunny> I wonder... why the hell didn't I backup my Plus before the attempt?...
May 17 17:16:11 <PatrickC> lol
May 17 17:16:22 <NuttyBunny> yeah, now I'll have to doctor it :S
May 17 17:16:44 <PatrickC> crap
May 17 17:17:16 <PatrickC> so...
May 17 17:17:21 <PatrickC> I guess it didn't boot
May 17 17:25:27 <destinal>  Jack87|Away there are supposed to be similar boot from USB methods for the MSM's but I've not played with it yet
May 17 17:54:00 <NuttyBunny> doctoring my Plus.. I need it in running state
May 17 18:22:05 <Cerealklr> hey all
May 17 18:22:56 <Cerealklr> I see you've managed to brick everything short of your computer in the past few days, Nutty? =] How's it going with those?
May 17 18:34:17 <NuttyBunny> Cerealklr: Both the Pixi and the Pre+ were restored successfully
May 17 18:34:23 <Cerealklr> Wooo!
May 17 18:35:18 <Cerealklr> I sort of imagined it being a more drawn out process from the horror stories I've heard from other mobile OS's. =P What ended up being the trick with the Pixi?
May 17 18:37:49 <NuttyBunny> Cerealklr: No idea, I just tried it again today and it worked
May 17 18:38:11 <Cerealklr> Heh, well I guess there's something to be said for persistence!
May 17 18:38:30 <NuttyBunny> So, going from 2.1 to 1.4.5 works with a Doctor, that's fine, now, I just have to make a script for the 2.1
May 17 18:39:19 <Cerealklr> So trying to upgrade my minus is now pre-eminently recoverable?
May 17 18:40:20 <NuttyBunny> yep
May 17 18:40:39 <Cerealklr> Guess I know what i'll be doing before dinner then. =]
May 17 18:45:46 <PatrickC> did anyone see my preware link?
May 17 18:45:53 <PatrickC> I don't know if it went through
May 17 18:45:56 <SineOt> no
May 17 18:46:11 <PatrickC> http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee477/patrickc14/preware_2011-17-05_131636.png
May 17 18:46:19 <PatrickC> preware won't even install now
May 17 18:46:47 <PatrickC> nothing will install
May 17 18:49:43 <NuttyBunny> ah, yes, install it using palm-install
May 17 18:49:50 <NuttyBunny> it's the supported method
May 17 18:51:03 <joem_work> pfft...
May 17 18:51:17 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: tried that
May 17 18:51:19 <joem_work> my pops just sent me a message, he's getting a pre-release touchpad
May 17 18:51:24 <PatrickC> and I also tried with webOSQI
May 17 18:51:32 <joem_work> i wonder if it has webos 3 on there
May 17 18:51:37 <PatrickC> it will
May 17 18:51:41 <joem_work> suwheet
May 17 18:51:41 <PatrickC> send me one too :P
May 17 18:51:42 <NuttyBunny> Use Linux to create your Doctor
May 17 18:51:46 <PatrickC> I did
May 17 18:51:51 <NuttyBunny> LOL
May 17 18:51:54 <NuttyBunny> I know :P
May 17 18:52:00 <Cerealklr> tell him if he sends it to me i'll check if it has WebOS 3 on it for him
May 17 18:52:03 <Cerealklr> =]
May 17 18:52:07 <joem_work> thats what i told him, tell his office tablet devs he needs a few for... "testing"
May 17 18:52:08 <PatrickC> haha
May 17 18:52:08 <joem_work> hehe
May 17 18:52:17 <joem_work> Cerealklr: hehe
May 17 18:52:29 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: Redo your doctor, and disable the preware installation
May 17 18:52:41 <PatrickC> grr
May 17 18:52:44 <PatrickC> ok.. fine
May 17 18:52:53 <thor968> Good morning, evening or what ever :-)
May 17 18:52:54 <PatrickC> I'll have to doctor later
May 17 18:52:57 <PatrickC> haha
May 17 18:53:44 <thor968> Does anybody knows if there are any news of a new LinPhone-version for webOS?
May 17 18:57:03 <PatrickC> well.. g2g
May 17 19:36:36 <RagingMind> thor968, it looks like development has stalled a bit
May 17 19:44:21 <thor968> Yes, seems to be like this.
May 17 20:03:36 <NuttyBunny> Anyone knows what luna-send command should be sent to take a screenshot of the screen? :D
May 17 20:05:05 <NuttyBunny> luna-send luna://com.palm.systemmanager/takeScreenShot '{"file":"screenshot.png"}' <-  cool
May 17 20:47:33 <MrMicroChip> Does anyone know if the "Verizon FrankenPre 2" meta script for 2.1.0 works for the Unlocked Pre 2 or the actual Verizon Pre 2 or both.  It implies the unlocked Pre 2 (I am not sure they are the same phone)?
May 17 20:48:16 <Loudergood> the unlocked one is the gsm one sold directly by HP and given away as a developer device
May 17 20:52:12 <MrMicroChip> I would agree, so that makes my assumption that the Verizon FrankenPre 2 meta-script is for that phone and not the one sold be Verizon.  However since it is not listed separately and when viewing the script, it may be that it works for both.  So anyone know for sure?
May 17 20:59:13 <Loudergood> the franken part is key
May 17 20:59:41 <Loudergood> it's for people that take a preplus cdma back and put it on an unlocked phone
May 17 21:08:52 <NuttyBunny> morphis: the fso-installer makefile has another bug (at least), it checks the media size for both pre and pre+ for the same size, it doesn't work correctly for the Plus, it complains that 13G is an incorrect value... I'll send a patch in a mometn
May 17 21:13:40 <morphis> NuttyBunny: ok, please send it
May 17 21:13:46 <morphis> I will be go to bed now
May 17 21:13:48 <morphis> gn8
May 17 21:18:07 <halfhalo> Soo... Looks like amazon wireless has the veer in stock now, plus two day shipping
May 17 21:18:45 <NuttyBunny> bah, I would have preferred 8 days and a $50 price tag, no contract
May 17 21:19:04 <halfhalo> Same
May 17 21:19:07 <Loudergood> indeed
May 17 21:19:25 * halfhalo goes hunting around for spare change
May 17 21:20:56 * NuttyBunny fixes the fso-installer Makefile ... really, why just three people mess around with that? :)
May 17 21:21:28 <NuttyBunny> Everybody loves webOS?????!!!
May 17 21:21:32 <NuttyBunny> I do :D
May 17 21:36:15 <NuttyBunny> oil: ping?
May 17 22:47:50 <bnceo> yo yo
May 17 22:47:51 <bnceo> wut up
May 17 22:51:58 <rwhitby> oil: Adora was looking for you. Something about wIRC ;)
May 17 23:07:13 <thor968> Hi, one more thing - at least for tonight :-)
May 17 23:10:37 <thor968> I want to put a German keyboard mate into my UK Pre 2, the "hardware-replacement" is quite simple, but I
May 17 23:10:39 <thor968> haven't found how to change the keyboard-layout on software side.
May 17 23:12:06 <thor968> I compared /usr/palm, /etc and other directorys from a German Pre Plus with webOS 2.1.0 and the UK Pre 2 with 2.1.0 but could not find any setting to change the layout. I can exchange the "Z" and "Y" key with "setkeycodes 07 44" and "setkeycodes 14 21" but this also changes the "*" and "(", so I assume that this is not a solution.
May 17 23:12:50 <thor968> I also found several keyboard/keycode-related files in "/usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/.../resources" (and "mojo2"), but they are identical on the German Pre Plus and the UK Pre 2. Do you have any hind where I have to look for that to write a patch that changes the layout? Thanks a lot.
May 17 23:14:39 <SineOt> I think you need to do a metadoctor for that. I believe there is an option when building the doctor to set the keyboard type.
May 17 23:19:25 <thor968> @SineOt: you have any idea what the metadoctor changes while installing that can not be done by a patch?
May 17 23:19:43 <SineOt> no idea. you'd have to look or ask rwhitby
May 17 23:33:50 <thor968> @SineOt: thanks a lot, rwhitby unfortunately is not available, so I have to try it tomorrow. For me it's far to late already. Gn8.
May 17 23:42:24 <Joe739> i would like to install linphone on my palm pre
May 18 00:03:50 <rwhitby> thor968: hi
May 18 00:05:01 <halfhalo> rwhitby: amazon has the veers in stock atm if you are still trying to get one, plus two day free shipping, but only in the US
May 18 00:27:53 <NuttyBunny> yeah! org.webosinternals.catalog.wirc !!! :D
May 18 00:28:03 <oil> :)
May 18 00:29:35 <ScottyDogg> hey all
May 18 00:30:27 <ScottyDogg> Does anybody know, if i have a UK Pre+ can i update to 2.1 using the german updater?
May 18 00:30:45 <NuttyBunny> theoretically, yes
May 18 00:30:50 <NuttyBunny> in theory
May 18 00:31:24 <ScottyDogg> But i should use the meta doctor to be safe?
May 18 00:31:56 <NuttyBunny> nah, use first the official doctor, if it doesn't work, go with the meta doctor :)
May 18 00:33:02 <ScottyDogg> Any chance of a link to the official doctor?
May 18 00:33:38 <ScottyDogg> Also should my palm profile survive the update ok considering it is a O2 Pre+ already?
May 18 00:33:51 <ScottyDogg> Iv already backed up everything
May 18 00:34:22 <rwhitby> ScottyDogg: wiki has doctor links
May 18 00:34:44 <ScottyDogg> Thanks
May 18 00:35:07 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
May 18 01:07:27 <Scotty> Trying to upgrade to WebOS 2.1 but i when i try to install the novacom drivers on my Mac  the installation fails?
May 18 01:07:47 <rwhitby> Scotty: weird. works fine for me on snow leopard
May 18 01:08:10 <PuffTheMagic> thats happened before on one of my macs
May 18 01:08:21 <PuffTheMagic> idk how or if I fixed that
May 18 01:08:30 <Scotty> Im on snow leopard
May 18 01:08:46 <Scotty> How did you resolve that @puff?
May 18 01:12:31 <PuffTheMagic> <PuffTheMagic> idk how or if I fixed that
May 18 01:12:54 <Scotty> Doh
May 18 01:13:05 <Scotty> Well no 2.1 for me then
May 18 01:19:00 <Scotty> deleted and reinstalled the SDK kit inc the drivers
May 18 01:19:06 <Scotty> That did the trick
May 18 01:19:33 <Scotty> Cheers for the help guys
May 18 02:57:59 <Cerealklr> Yes!!!
May 18 02:58:20 <Cerealklr> http://phobos.dnsdojo.org/WebOS/Whyquery.png
May 18 02:58:24 <Cerealklr> =]
May 18 02:58:26 <Cerealklr> Validation.
May 18 02:59:26 <Cerealklr> For anyone interested, i've figured out how to rip all bits of conversation (be that chat or SMS) from the PalmDatabase in Webos 1.4.5
May 18 02:59:34 <Cerealklr> and built an exporter that exports it to JSON
May 18 02:59:57 <Cerealklr> next logical step is to work on an importer, and then finally a converter
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