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May 23 05:13:52 <undrwater> is there an offline mapping app available?
May 23 05:14:00 <undrwater> besides navit
May 23 06:31:56 <rwhitby> ndrive
May 23 07:19:55 <swisstomcat> morning
May 23 09:48:09 <NicoSwiss> anyone here
May 23 09:48:10 <NicoSwiss> '
May 23 09:49:26 <NicoSwiss> I have inadvertitely removed Preware from my Pixi (pressed remove instead of update)
May 23 09:51:53 <thor968> and?
May 23 09:52:30 <NicoSwiss> Now, when I use WebOS Quick Install to install Preware, it remains blocked in Installaing
May 23 09:53:18 <NicoSwiss> Developer mode is on
May 23 09:54:30 <NicoSwiss> At the end I have to kill the WebOS Quick Install. Then Pixi still working well, but Preware is not installed
May 23 09:54:34 <thor968> There is a Preware1.5.0.jar I use to install on my Pre2, may be this helps?
May 23 09:55:19 <NicoSwiss> Well, Pixi is still WebOS 1.4.5. Are you sure they are compatible?
May 23 09:56:46 <thor968> Software for the Pixi and the Pre(2) for sure is not compatible, but I don't know what is in the package. You might try it.
May 23 09:57:58 <NicoSwiss> I'll try it
May 23 09:57:59 <NicoSwiss> Many thanks!
May 23 09:58:29 <swisstomcat> hi
May 23 09:58:36 <swisstomcat> are you swiss, nicoswiss? :)
May 23 10:00:15 <thor968> Hi Markus, already in Paris?
May 23 10:00:28 <swisstomcat> no, i'm flying tomorrow
May 23 10:02:29 <NicoSwiss> Woow, now I have lost all my installed applications
May 23 10:03:16 <NicoSwiss> to swisstomcat -> yes, I'm Swiss
May 23 10:04:51 <NicoSwiss> Anyone, any idea to have my Preware back?
May 23 10:08:43 <thor968> What do you mean with "lost all my apps"? You installed the Preware.jar and your apps are gone?
May 23 10:09:21 <NicoSwiss> The installer was not able to install Preware.
May 23 10:09:38 <NicoSwiss> Additionally, all installed applications from Preware are lost
May 23 10:09:57 <NicoSwiss> I'm now restarting the Pixi to see if it founds out somthign more
May 23 10:10:53 <NicoSwiss> I tried with PrewareInstaller-1.5.0.exe
May 23 10:12:04 <NicoSwiss> After restart, the applications are back, but not Preware
May 23 10:12:11 <thor968> Don't know, normaly I do not use Windows. If you (still) have Internalz installed, you can try copying the Preware.ipk to /media/internals and install it from there.
May 23 10:13:12 <NicoSwiss> I don't have Internalz. Why do you need it? It's not enough to copy in the right place?
May 23 10:14:52 <NicoSwiss> I tried with PrewareInstaller-1.5.0.jar, and I got the following error: "ERROR 2: err -99 "Command: put file:///media/internal/developer/InstallWrapper.tar".
May 23 10:14:55 <NicoSwiss> Does this help?
May 23 10:17:07 <NicoSwiss> After that, all the apps disappeared again.
May 23 10:17:16 <NicoSwiss> Trying a restart...
May 23 10:18:37 <NicoSwiss> :o(
May 23 10:22:33 <thor968> Internalz is a filemanager for he Pre that also can install IPKs, sometimes this helps.
May 23 10:25:41 <thor968> Final idea I have is, that you connect with Novacom as root to your device and search for everything that is Preware-related and delete it. Then try to reinstall Preware. I have no clue where the Preware-database for installed packages is located, so as result you may loose this too.
May 23 10:32:17 <NicoSwiss> Yep, that's the danger.
May 23 10:32:51 <NicoSwiss> Now, I have my phone back with all apps, but no preware.
May 23 10:33:12 <NicoSwiss> Should I stay like this, or try more with the risk of loosing everything?
May 23 10:33:23 <NicoSwiss> I think I will stay like this for the momnet.
May 23 10:33:25 <NicoSwiss> Many thanks!
May 23 10:40:53 <Cerealklr> nicoswiss: I'm not certain on this (having not been part of the Preware dev team), but I'm pretty sure that Preware can automatically rescan for orphaned packages. I think there is an emergency app for this in the linux apps section as well.
May 23 10:52:34 <swisstomcat> hi nicoswiss .. are you still here?
May 23 11:25:32 <rwhitby> NicoSwiss: use the official Palm SDK and palm-install to install Preware
May 23 11:25:56 <rwhitby> and then use the ERU package to relist your installed packages
May 23 11:26:08 <swisstomcat> (or preware-boostrap if you don't fear the command-line)
May 23 11:26:18 <swisstomcat> (preware-bootstrap that is)
May 23 11:26:47 <rwhitby> I wouldn't recommend preware-bootstrap in general, since Palm can change things and break it without warning on each new webOS version.  palm-install will always work.
May 23 11:29:26 <swisstomcat> true
May 23 12:00:01 <NicoSwiss> Hi, I'm back from lunch
May 23 12:00:04 <NicoSwiss> :o)
May 23 12:01:51 <NicoSwiss> I'm not used to work with Palm SDK,and palm-install
May 23 12:02:16 <NicoSwiss> Do I have to install the SDK for Palm-install, or can I install the palm-install only?
May 23 12:04:27 <phoque> NicoSwiss, you need the complete SDK
May 23 12:04:40 <NicoSwiss> Thanks :o(
May 23 12:04:44 <phoque> you could also install novaterm
May 23 12:04:54 <phoque> and do it on the device directly
May 23 12:04:54 <NicoSwiss> What's novaterm?
May 23 12:05:00 <phoque> novacom?
May 23 12:05:09 <phoque> novaterm or novacom, don't know :-D
May 23 12:05:16 <phoque> its the thing that talks to the device
May 23 12:05:22 <phoque> the SDK makes use of it too
May 23 12:05:35 <phoque> it enables you to enter the device-shell from your computer
May 23 12:05:47 <phoque> then wget the Preware ipk directly on the device
May 23 12:06:33 <NicoSwiss> Well, I used WebOS Quick Install, which uses novacom (if I got it right), but the installation got blocked.
May 23 12:06:59 <phoque> oh, ok
May 23 12:07:01 <phoque> wich installation
May 23 12:07:08 <NicoSwiss> Preware
May 23 12:07:13 <phoque> hmmm
May 23 12:07:45 <NicoSwiss> I have inadvertitely removed Preware 1.5.9 from my Pixi (pressed remove instead of update)
May 23 12:08:10 <phoque> hah, OK
May 23 12:08:16 <NicoSwiss> then tried WebOS Quick Install to install Preware, but remained blocked in Installaing
May 23 12:08:18 <phoque> is your device in devmode?
May 23 12:08:34 <phoque> or is it completely borked?
May 23 12:08:53 <NicoSwiss> Then I tried with PrewareInstaller-1.5.0.jar, and I got the following error: "ERROR 2: err -99 "Command: put
May 23 12:09:14 <NicoSwiss> No, the device is now OK, is st in devmode, but I'm only not able to install Preware.
May 23 12:09:21 <phoque> ok
May 23 12:09:25 <phoque> plug it in
May 23 12:09:33 <phoque> and type "novaterm" in your shell
May 23 12:10:22 <NicoSwiss> Hummm, in which shell?
May 23 12:10:33 <phoque> are you on windows?
May 23 12:10:44 <NicoSwiss> yes :o(
May 23 12:10:55 <NicoSwiss> Windows 7 even ...
May 23 12:11:09 <phoque> thats fine
May 23 12:11:12 <phoque> Press Windows+R
May 23 12:11:18 <phoque> on your keyboard
May 23 12:11:24 <NicoSwiss> done
May 23 12:11:26 <phoque> type in "cmd" (as always, without the quotes)
May 23 12:11:29 <phoque> press enter
May 23 12:11:37 <phoque> a black window should appear. thats your shell
May 23 12:11:48 <NicoSwiss> OK, That's the shell where I tried novaterm
May 23 12:11:52 <phoque> ok
May 23 12:11:56 <phoque> did it work?
May 23 12:11:58 <phoque> novaterm
May 23 12:12:52 <NicoSwiss> novaterm is not recognized as an internal or external command
May 23 12:13:27 <phoque> maybe you need to change to the directory where you've installed novaterm
May 23 12:14:25 <NicoSwiss> yes, yes, I foudn a novacom
May 23 12:14:33 <NicoSwiss> can I use that one?
May 23 12:14:46 <phoque> novaterm should come with novacom
May 23 12:14:46 <NicoSwiss> (it is under folder Plm, Inc
May 23 12:15:16 <NicoSwiss> yes, foudn in the terminal folder
May 23 12:15:27 <phoque> ok
May 23 12:15:30 <phoque> can you execute it?
May 23 12:15:43 <NicoSwiss> yes
May 23 12:15:45 <phoque> ok
May 23 12:15:48 <phoque> you're on your device now?
May 23 12:16:00 <phoque> (look at the part directly in front of the cursor)
May 23 12:16:04 <NicoSwiss> it says not connected
May 23 12:16:06 <NicoSwiss> I try connect
May 23 12:16:13 <NicoSwiss> I'm on it
May 23 12:16:17 <phoque> OK, perfect
May 23 12:16:19 <phoque> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_from_the_Commandline
May 23 12:16:22 <phoque> do that
May 23 12:16:30 <phoque> in novaterm
May 23 12:16:41 <phoque> it'll download Preware and install it directly on the device
May 23 12:16:49 <NicoSwiss> OK.
May 23 12:16:56 <NicoSwiss> What are the risks?
May 23 12:18:12 <phoque> hmmm
May 23 12:18:13 <phoque> none
May 23 12:18:16 <NicoSwiss> I got wget: bad address 'bit.ly'
May 23 12:18:22 <phoque> as long as you do it right :-D
May 23 12:18:28 <phoque> is the device online?
May 23 12:18:35 <phoque> WiFi or 3G
May 23 12:18:52 <NicoSwiss> well, I have put it in USB mode, which makes it off line
May 23 12:18:59 <phoque> ah, eject it
May 23 12:19:03 <phoque> it doesn't have to be
May 23 12:19:18 <phoque> novaterm works even if it isn't in mass storage mode
May 23 12:19:34 <NicoSwiss> I'm ejecting (takes time to get back)
May 23 12:19:43 <phoque> yup
May 23 12:19:57 <NicoSwiss> I'm back and on-line
May 23 12:20:05 <NicoSwiss> I choose "just charge"
May 23 12:20:22 <phoque> correct
May 23 12:20:25 <NicoSwiss> I connect again with Novaterm
May 23 12:20:30 <phoque> yup
May 23 12:20:52 <NicoSwiss> cd /tmp
May 23 12:20:58 <NicoSwiss> wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap
May 23 12:21:30 <NicoSwiss> sh preware-bootstrap and pray...
May 23 12:22:12 <NicoSwiss> Should I include any alpha Preware releases?
May 23 12:22:22 <phoque> you have to decide
May 23 12:22:28 <phoque> it's potentially unstable
May 23 12:22:37 <phoque> and the Wiki says "be prepared to webOSdoctor your device"
May 23 12:22:38 <phoque> :-D
May 23 12:22:42 <NicoSwiss> Is that for alpha versions of Preware, or for alpha applications?
May 23 12:22:49 <phoque> apps
May 23 12:22:53 <phoque> and Preware
May 23 12:23:05 <phoque> wich updates itself using its own feeds
May 23 12:23:06 <phoque> :-D
May 23 12:23:09 <NicoSwiss> OK, I have set yes.
May 23 12:23:30 <NicoSwiss> When I receive updates, do i know if they are alpha or official releases?
May 23 12:23:37 <phoque> I have no idea
May 23 12:23:41 <phoque> I've said "no" :-D
May 23 12:23:55 <NicoSwiss> It says setup coplete
May 23 12:23:59 <phoque> ok
May 23 12:24:06 <phoque> close novaterm
May 23 12:24:09 <phoque> (type "exit"
May 23 12:24:43 <NicoSwiss> Ok
May 23 12:24:47 <phoque> then take a look in the app launcher menu
May 23 12:24:48 <NicoSwiss> ...and disconnected
May 23 12:24:51 <phoque> Preware should be there
May 23 12:24:57 <NicoSwiss> do I need a restart before running Preware?
May 23 12:25:00 <phoque> no
May 23 12:25:21 <NicoSwiss> It's tehre!
May 23 12:25:30 <phoque> perfect
May 23 12:25:45 <NicoSwiss> ... and seems to work!
May 23 12:25:51 <NicoSwiss> Many, many, many thanks!
May 23 12:26:06 <phoque> you're welcome
May 23 12:26:14 <NicoSwiss> Are you a developer?
May 23 12:26:32 <phoque> I haven't done anything for Preware
May 23 12:26:37 <NicoSwiss> Can i support you?¨
May 23 12:26:38 <phoque> I am developing apps for the catalog
May 23 12:26:48 <phoque> none of them are released though ;-)
May 23 12:27:00 <NicoSwiss> Oh, that's bad as I can't buy any app from the catalog since I'm in Switzerland
May 23 12:27:08 <phoque> they'll be free anyways
May 23 12:27:14 <phoque> I'll let you know ;-)
May 23 12:27:48 <NicoSwiss> Should I give you my meail to put in your newsletter?
May 23 12:28:01 <phoque> I don't even have a newsletter
May 23 12:28:03 <phoque> hah
May 23 12:28:56 <NicoSwiss> Well, I'll then check if I find apps developed by phoque :o)
May 23 12:29:05 <phoque> :P
May 23 12:29:18 <NicoSwiss> Bye, bye and thanks a lot again!
May 23 12:29:28 <phoque> no worries, bye!
May 23 12:50:20 <rwhitby> phoque: FYI, if someone has novacom, then they have palm-install, which is the most reliable way to install Preware.
May 23 12:50:36 <phoque> oh, really?
May 23 12:50:43 <phoque> I thought novacom/novaterm were part of novacom
May 23 12:50:47 <phoque> and palm-install was part of the SDK
May 23 12:51:18 <rwhitby> you may be right. I just install the SDK.
May 23 12:51:34 <phoque> he didn't want to install the SDK
May 23 12:51:36 <rwhitby> palm-install is the only means of Preware installation which is guaranteed to work for every new webOS version
May 23 12:51:45 <phoque> so I figured to go the novaterm way
May 23 12:51:53 <phoque> ok
May 23 12:52:48 <rwhitby> I wouldn't recommend preware-bootstrap in general, since Palm can change things and break it without warning on each new webOS version.  palm-install will always work.
May 23 12:53:30 <rwhitby> but any way to get it installed is better than not having it installed :)
May 23 12:56:08 <thor968> rwhitby: Thanks for the "keyboard-layout-patching-tips", my Pre 2 now is German :-)
May 23 12:59:21 <BigWookie> Hi, Is there a known issue with the Terminal app (0.3.1) on webos2.1 on a pre minux?
May 23 12:59:41 <BigWookie> sometimes crashes the phone, sometimes just blackscreen, never works as expected
May 23 14:22:37 <BigWookie> ;_; terminus crashes bt and ddosn't work either and the sdl terminal won't install
May 23 15:06:22 <Loudergood> BigWookie: overclocking?
May 23 15:06:32 <BigWookie> nope nothing like that
May 23 15:07:00 <Loudergood> I'm not sure how many of those work with 2.1
May 23 15:07:03 <Loudergood> I know they all didn't at first
May 23 15:07:08 <Loudergood> xterm does now
May 23 15:07:41 <Loudergood> http://www.gadgetxplorer.com/2011/03/terminal-apps-for-webos-210.html
May 23 15:09:36 <BigWookie> already tried that
May 23 15:11:10 <Loudergood> hmm.. that's beyond my scope of knowledge then
May 23 15:11:15 <Loudergood> I just use xterm..
May 23 15:11:16 <BigWookie> k, ty
May 23 15:46:34 <steffen-> hi, I've got a problem compiling a webOS application
May 23 15:46:38 <steffen-> cc1plus: Error: /opt/PalmPDK/include/glibc24symbols.h: No such file or directory
May 23 15:46:53 <steffen-> any suggestions? :)
May 23 15:52:56 <NuttyBunny> mmm... developement files for glibc 2.4 maybe?
May 23 19:13:58 <aurash91> does anyone have the linphone ipk?
May 23 20:29:47 <ttk1opc> Hello, is there a guide on going back to 1.4.5 from 2.1 on the sprint pre? When I upgraded to 2.1 the PRL issue was not known at the time.
May 23 20:33:27 <aurash91> dont you just use the stock 1.4.5 doctor?
May 23 20:33:33 <aurash91> iirc, your profile wont work
May 23 20:34:04 <ttk1opc> I assumed so, but wanted to check first
May 23 20:34:45 <ttk1opc> I use google for my contacts, but other than that what will I lose by not having a working profile?
May 23 20:41:52 <aurash91> i'd hold off on it till someone else response
May 23 20:41:55 <aurash91> im not 100% certain
May 23 20:52:38 <ttk1opc> OK
May 23 22:16:05 <tmandry> ka6sox-away: ping
May 23 22:48:03 <ka6sox-away> tmandry, pong
May 24 01:01:36 <ka6sox-home> Maintainence window for working on WOSI servers in 3 minutes...back in 3-4hrs.
May 24 01:02:56 <Loudergood> thanks for the warning ;)
May 24 01:03:41 <PatrickC> ka6sox-home: ok
May 24 01:03:43 <ka6sox-home> I told the powers that be....
May 24 01:04:23 <Loudergood> haha I know, thanks for doing the work btw
May 24 01:04:25 <PatrickC> just wondering as I don't use it often, did  the palm-catalog feed ever get fixed?
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**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 24 05:32:14 2011
May 24 08:05:16 <mpingu> hey
May 24 08:17:45 <SystemR89> hi
May 24 13:23:29 * PatrickC is going to work on backing up Text Assist :)
May 24 14:42:20 <pcwiz84_> anyone there?
May 24 14:44:54 <pcwiz84_> hello?
May 24 17:16:22 <PatrickC> when I did a triple-toggle-reset cause my phone was acting up, when it started booting.. I didn't see Tux
May 24 17:16:32 <PatrickC> I saw the Linux Command Line booting
May 24 17:16:48 <PatrickC> is this normal? I have pix/vid of it happening if needed
May 24 17:20:01 <PatrickC> uNiXpSyChO: could this be kernel related?
May 24 17:20:47 <uNiXpSyChO> i have n oidea what you are talking about
May 24 17:21:15 <PatrickC>  when I did a triple-toggle-reset cause my phone was acting up, when it started booting.. I didn't see Tux
May 24 17:21:21 <PatrickC>  I saw the Linux Command Line booting
May 24 17:21:40 <PatrickC> it looked like when you boot Android before you get the flashing Android logo
May 24 17:22:05 <PatrickC> and after the command line went away, I saw the flashing HP logo, e.g. it was in luna
May 24 17:22:27 <uNiXpSyChO> that is normal on all my new kernels.  nto sure why you just noticed it?
May 24 17:22:53 <PatrickC> I didn't see Tux.. I always see Tux..
May 24 17:23:00 <PatrickC> but this time I didn't
May 24 17:23:15 <PatrickC> oh.. *new* kernels.. sorry.. just saw that
May 24 17:23:16 <PatrickC> ok
May 24 17:23:34 <uNiXpSyChO> you may need rm -rf /
May 24 17:23:51 <freezex> haha
May 24 17:23:56 <PatrickC> doesnt that remove all folders? haha
May 24 17:23:56 <uNiXpSyChO> ;-)
May 24 17:24:33 <Loudergood> it may be time to keep up with some of the twitter feeds PatrickC
May 24 17:24:41 * PatrickC is happy he knows a *little* linux cmd line ;)
May 24 17:25:00 * PatrickC doesn't have a twitter :'(
May 24 17:31:14 <SystemR89> why 1ghz fixed-frequency in AV8B was removed?
May 24 17:32:02 <SystemR89> now pre minus works really slowly :(
May 24 17:32:20 <PatrickC> SystemR89: F104A works great for me
May 24 17:32:27 <PatrickC> and its 1.1GHz
May 24 17:32:33 <SystemR89> wow!
May 24 17:32:36 <PatrickC> screenstate
May 24 17:32:54 <PatrickC> yep
May 24 17:33:02 <PatrickC> all thanks to uNiXpSyChO!!
May 24 17:33:08 <SystemR89> :)
May 24 17:33:15 <SystemR89> I'll try it
May 24 17:33:25 <PatrickC> yep :)
May 24 17:33:26 <SystemR89> How I can test linphone?
May 24 17:33:40 <PatrickC> and if your daring, try SR71 ;)
May 24 17:33:56 <PatrickC> I believe that rwhitby heads up the linphone testing
May 24 17:34:39 <uNiXpSyChO> huh?  AV8B still runs at 1GHz.
May 24 17:34:51 <uNiXpSyChO> and it is still fixed
May 24 17:35:16 * PatrickC doesn't use AV8B.. so he doesn't know
May 24 17:35:23 <SystemR89> wait
May 24 17:35:32 <SystemR89> maybe i'm wrong
May 24 17:35:41 <uNiXpSyChO> yes, you are.
May 24 17:35:54 <uNiXpSyChO> if you have problems, delete the profile and start over
May 24 17:36:04 <uNiXpSyChO> Govnah profile that is.
May 24 17:36:19 <SystemR89> in changelog you've write: not locked anymore to 1ghz
May 24 17:36:41 <uNiXpSyChO> correct.  it gives user's ability to set "fixed" freq to 800MHz or whatever
May 24 17:37:08 <SystemR89> ops..
May 24 17:37:10 <SystemR89> sorry
May 24 17:37:29 <SystemR89> strange, I feel it slowly...
May 24 17:37:56 <PatrickC> have you updated Govnah lately?
May 24 17:38:15 <SystemR89> yeah, today
May 24 17:38:16 <uNiXpSyChO> what does Govnah show as a speed?
May 24 17:38:34 <SystemR89> 1.005
May 24 17:38:50 <PatrickC> SystemR89: you have to go into Govnah and pass the changelog screen to
May 24 17:38:53 <PatrickC> clock again*
May 24 17:40:11 <SystemR89> it's my bad feeling, AV8B runs at the same speed of yesterday...
May 24 17:41:35 <SystemR89> I'd like test linphone with my fritzbox.. I hope that rwhitby could help me..
May 24 17:41:52 * PatrickC loves freeTether!!!
May 24 17:44:42 <Adora> could someone please tell me what # the homebrew documentation app is on the highest rated apps list?
May 24 17:45:47 <NuttyBunny> Adora: Mexico Profile shows that app at the top spot
May 24 17:46:02 <NuttyBunny> Angry Birds in second, drPodder third
May 24 18:00:08 <PatrickC> uNiXpSyChO: is F14Tomcat updated? I'm not showing it as recently updated. I was just wondering, cause I have seen many of the other kernels updated.
May 24 18:00:32 <uNiXpSyChO> F14 is a dying horse
May 24 18:00:42 <PatrickC> nooooo :'(
May 24 18:01:24 <PatrickC> why?
May 24 18:01:39 <uNiXpSyChO> it overheats too quick, and I havent seen much demand for it.
May 24 18:02:16 <PatrickC> my Pre2 (both of them) hardly ever gets above like 40C
May 24 18:02:37 <Cerealklr> Not all of us live in the Arctic. =D
May 24 18:02:59 <PatrickC> and I love the kernel! I love being at 1.4 GHz an having the bragging rights saying "My phone is the fastest out there"
May 24 18:03:11 <PatrickC> Cerealklr: I live in Nashville ;)
May 24 18:03:16 <Cerealklr> there is most definitely that.
May 24 18:04:10 <PatrickC> most definitely what?
May 24 18:04:17 <Cerealklr> the bragging rights.
May 24 18:04:31 <PatrickC> yeah
May 24 18:04:38 <Cerealklr> Speaking of which, a contest for devs to bring a tastey app and get a touchpad?
May 24 18:04:48 <Cerealklr> Sounds like I'm going to need to drop learning Mojo for a while...
May 24 18:05:05 <PatrickC> yeah.. and join the Eap
May 24 18:05:36 <Cerealklr> Fight Club? What Fight Club. ;]
May 24 18:05:57 <PatrickC> hehe
May 24 18:06:23 <PatrickC> first rule of Fight Club: always say "What Fight Club?"
May 24 18:06:48 <PatrickC> or is it "Never talk about Fight Club"?
May 24 18:07:40 <Cerealklr> I'm sorry, did you say something? If so, I missed it...
May 24 18:07:48 <Cerealklr> Anyway, back to toying with Enyo
May 24 18:07:53 <Cerealklr> and still pretending to do my actual job(s)
May 24 18:07:57 <Cerealklr> =]
May 24 18:07:59 <PatrickC> haha
May 24 18:08:06 <PatrickC> what's Enyo? ;)
May 24 18:11:58 <PatrickC> tmandry: get the meta-doctor made?
May 24 18:56:15 <tmandry> PatrickC: sure did, and my phone is running 2.1 :) thanks!
May 24 18:56:23 <PatrickC> np :)
May 24 18:56:45 <PatrickC> you like it? OC'ing yet?
May 24 18:57:09 <tmandry> not yet, just finished restoring all my preware apps/patches
May 24 18:58:06 <tmandry> but yes, I like it. exhibition is nice
May 24 19:08:42 <PatrickC> tmandry: what device? minus/plus?
May 24 19:09:24 * PatrickC mumbles "Stupid battery.. you should stay charged!!" 
May 24 19:10:05 <tmandry> PatrickC: minus :/ overclocking it now with 32mb compcache and it runs very smoothly :)
May 24 19:10:19 <PatrickC> what kernel?
May 24 19:10:37 <tmandry> my third-party battery recently crapped out.. swapped it with one of my dev devices
May 24 19:11:08 <PatrickC> well.. running freeTether with a Pre2 and a Laptop running off of it..
May 24 19:11:16 <PatrickC> and I think another pre- as well
May 24 19:11:35 <tmandry> nice
May 24 19:11:59 <tmandry> I'm on UK 2.1.0-18
May 24 19:12:26 <PatrickC> I like F104A
May 24 19:13:00 <tmandry> what's different about it?
May 24 19:14:25 <PatrickC> 1.1GHz, and I think that F104A has screenstate-v2 and UK doesnt
May 24 19:14:46 <tmandry> mm, didn't know there was a screenstate v2
May 24 19:15:05 <PatrickC> idk what's different about it, but its v2 :)
May 24 19:15:09 <tmandry> lol
May 24 20:48:29 <spiffyfitz_> ugh i wonder when verizon will get hp veer
May 24 20:48:35 <spiffyfitz_> and i wonder if i even want it
May 24 20:48:44 <spiffyfitz_> i'm due for an upgrade in september
May 24 20:48:52 <PatrickC> Verizon won't get it
May 24 20:49:00 <spiffyfitz_> well there goes that idea
May 24 20:49:01 <PatrickC> they will probably get the Pre3 though
May 24 20:49:18 <spiffyfitz_> i'm so torn between android/iphone/webos
May 24 20:49:22 <PatrickC> if you read the page, it says that there's only GSM versions available
May 24 20:49:24 <spiffyfitz_> they all offer something awesome
May 24 20:50:02 <PatrickC> wait for the Pre3.. I can almost guarantee that it'll go to VZW
May 24 20:50:27 <Loudergood> maybe the mythical keyboardless phone will be out by then
May 24 20:50:35 <summatusmentis> what awesome does the iphone offer that other platforms don't?
May 24 20:50:37 <spiffyfitz_> android is so customizable and has really great potential… iphone is so buttery smooth and the apps and games are unmatched… webos has the BEST interface hands down
May 24 20:50:44 <summatusmentis> oh
May 24 20:51:37 <PatrickC> Loudergood: that might be the "6Month Exclusive" sprint is gonna maybe get
May 24 20:51:54 <Loudergood> PatrickC: zacky59 tell you that?
May 24 20:52:16 <spiffyfitz_> i just LOVE how tiny the veer is
May 24 20:52:19 <PatrickC> heh.. no, it was on WOR or P|C I forget what one
May 24 20:52:32 * PatrickC has yet to see one in person yet
May 24 20:52:48 <spiffyfitz_> maybe i'll just stick with my droidx/pixi combo
May 24 20:53:05 <PatrickC> or get a Pre3 :)
May 24 20:53:26 <spiffyfitz_> the turn by turn GPS on webos is practically non-existant though
May 24 20:53:31 <spiffyfitz_> big feature for me
May 24 20:54:02 <PatrickC> Loudergood: http://webosroundup.com/2011/04/rumor-new-hp-phone-coming-to-sprint-this-august-as-a-6-month-exclusive
May 24 20:54:04 <Loudergood> yeah, navit needs some work, and I haven't tried ndrive
May 24 20:54:19 <spiffyfitz_> ndrive doesn't work on pixi soooo i'm kinda SOL
May 24 20:54:23 <PatrickC> http://beta.ndrive.com for all who want to try it
May 24 20:54:55 <PatrickC> spiffyfitz_: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pixi/280992-webos-2-1-pixi-effort-official-thread-13.html
May 24 20:55:20 <spiffyfitz_> i've been following that
May 24 20:55:27 <spiffyfitz_> doesn't look like it's ready for CDMA pixis
May 24 20:55:32 <spiffyfitz_> if it ever will
May 24 20:55:35 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny is the lead person
May 24 20:55:47 <Loudergood> he's also too nice ;)
May 24 20:55:47 <NuttyBunny> oh sh*t.. what did I do?
May 24 20:55:58 * NuttyBunny hides
May 24 20:56:00 <spiffyfitz_> also on the previous page doesn't nuttybunny say that incoming SMS doesn't work?
May 24 20:56:08 <PatrickC> haha
May 24 20:56:27 <NuttyBunny> Yeah, he said that, but RagingMind here pointed me to the modem update, now it works :)
May 24 20:56:34 <spiffyfitz_> ahhhhh
May 24 20:56:52 <spiffyfitz_> uh oh… i only have 20 minutes until i have to leave… do i want to try to screw around with my pixi right now?!
May 24 20:57:06 <spiffyfitz_> also nuttybunny…. have you had anyone try this with a CDMA pixi?
May 24 20:57:07 <Loudergood> generally a bad idea
May 24 20:57:27 <spiffyfitz_> lol yeah bad idea
May 24 20:57:44 <NuttyBunny> spiffyfitz_: yes, there's a guinea pig in P|C right now
May 24 20:57:59 <spiffyfitz_> exxxxcellent
May 24 20:58:15 <Loudergood> zacky59?
May 24 20:58:16 <spiffyfitz_> you rock bunnyman
May 24 20:58:25 <NuttyBunny> and he gets the "Your phone is experiencing an error that can't be solved" error
May 24 20:58:33 <spiffyfitz_> lmao great error
May 24 20:58:36 <NuttyBunny> Loudergood: Who else? :D
May 24 20:58:50 <spiffyfitz_> "your phone is F*CKED"
May 24 20:58:51 <Loudergood> I'm surprised he hasn't exploded with excitement yet
May 24 20:59:03 <PatrickC> he about has :P
May 24 20:59:17 <NuttyBunny> Loudergood: well, he's stuck at the language screen, so, he isn't too happy atm :D
May 24 20:59:34 <PatrickC> hehe
May 24 20:59:49 * PatrickC hopes zacky doesn't visit the channel..
May 24 21:00:49 <NuttyBunny> well, he did learn to use cygwin (sort of), that's an accomplishment
May 24 21:01:02 <NuttyBunny> he actually managed to install novacomd with the SDK
May 24 21:02:43 <NuttyBunny> now I need a pixi patch executable...
May 24 21:04:53 <NuttyBunny> anyone here has stock cygwin?
May 24 21:05:05 <NuttyBunny> does it come with "ar"?
May 24 21:05:26 <PatrickC> I have cygwin.. at home
May 24 21:05:26 <NuttyBunny> I feel like a pirate.. :)
May 24 21:05:44 <PatrickC> why? lol
May 24 21:05:49 <NuttyBunny> arrrrrrrr!!
May 24 21:06:00 <spiffyfitz_> hmm
May 24 21:06:03 <stbuehler> you can probably replace ar with shell scripts :D
May 24 21:06:04 <PatrickC> ok? haha
May 24 21:06:12 <spiffyfitz_> i'm not really seeing a HUGE change from webos 1.4.5 to 2.1
May 24 21:06:20 <spiffyfitz_> feature wise
May 24 21:06:36 <PatrickC> there is a HUGE change
May 24 21:06:37 <stbuehler> nodejs services?
May 24 21:06:47 <NuttyBunny> hw accelerated Luna
May 24 21:07:00 <PatrickC> Exhibition, Node, Voice Memos, Voice Dialing, Better Launcher
May 24 21:07:07 <PatrickC> nDrive :)
May 24 21:07:09 <spiffyfitz_> voice dialing is a big deal
May 24 21:07:12 <NuttyBunny> scratch voice dialing for Pixi
May 24 21:07:17 <spiffyfitz_> awww :(
May 24 21:07:18 <NuttyBunny> as well as Flash
May 24 21:07:19 <PatrickC> Just Type
May 24 21:07:39 <NuttyBunny> spiffyfitz_: Well, you could try to install the ipk's from the Pre, I didn't try that
May 24 21:07:39 <PatrickC> really?
May 24 21:07:48 <spiffyfitz_> just type doesn't seem too different from typing into the launcher though
May 24 21:07:57 <spiffyfitz_> also favorite contacts
May 24 21:08:07 <PatrickC> Flash won't work afaik.. I don't think its built for the armv6
May 24 21:08:19 <spiffyfitz_> don't get me wrong, i'm gonna be all over it when it's stable for the CDMA Pixi
May 24 21:08:28 <PatrickC> Just Type is sooooooooo much better then Universal Search
May 24 21:08:44 <spiffyfitz_> is the HW acceleration very obvious, nuttybunny?
May 24 21:08:51 <spiffyfitz_> the pixi kinda chugs along
May 24 21:08:55 <spiffyfitz_> even overclocked
May 24 21:09:16 <spiffyfitz_> a little choppy here and there especially when flipping between 8+ cards
May 24 21:09:55 <NuttyBunny> spiffyfitz_: you can set it at 600Mhz all the time and runs quite nice... until you open several cards :D
May 24 21:10:31 <PatrickC> haha
May 24 21:10:35 <PatrickC> are there kernels yet?
May 24 21:11:13 <spiffyfitz_> ooooooooh
May 24 21:11:18 <spiffyfitz_> overclocked 2.1 on pixi
May 24 21:11:20 * NuttyBunny kicks PatrickC 
May 24 21:11:28 <NuttyBunny> just 600Mhz, no more
May 24 21:11:29 * PatrickC hides
May 24 21:11:36 <spiffyfitz_> i gotta run, gents
May 24 21:11:42 <NuttyBunny> and comes with compcache, just like the Pre versions
May 24 21:11:46 <spiffyfitz_> frisbee golf is calling
May 24 21:11:57 <PatrickC> lol cya
May 24 21:14:54 * NuttyBunny runs the cygwin installer under crossover under Ubuntu
May 24 21:15:34 <PatrickC> haha
May 24 21:17:34 <Adora> oil:  resubmitty!
May 24 21:17:41 <NuttyBunny> mmm.. not good... it doesn't come with "ar"
May 24 21:18:22 <PatrickC> Adora! hey!
May 24 21:18:28 <Adora> ack!
May 24 21:18:29 * Adora hides
May 24 21:19:17 <NuttyBunny> huh?
May 24 21:19:22 <PatrickC> why are you hiding right now? get the goods before halfhalo hides them
May 24 21:20:31 <PatrickC> Adora: what's different in 2.1.2?
May 24 21:26:08 * cryptk got to see a veer in the wild today
May 24 21:26:15 <cryptk> well.. at the zoo (AT&T store)
May 24 21:26:44 <PatrickC> lol
May 24 21:31:28 <PatrickC> has anyone checked into backing up the Text Assist app?
May 24 21:31:35 <PatrickC> I'm wanting to, but not sure if anyone has
May 24 21:33:10 <NuttyBunny> I don't use the text ass app, I don't want it to "autocorrect" me the way they do in DYAC
May 24 21:33:38 <Loudergood> there's a nice friendly click when it autocorrects
May 24 21:39:25 <NuttyBunny> yep, but I write in spanish and english, and it tends to try to correct my spanish words and change them to english
May 24 21:41:30 <PatrickC> Loudergood: I add many words to my autocorrect dictionary, and hate having to add them over each time I doctor/get a replacement
May 24 21:41:39 <Loudergood> I agree
May 24 21:41:52 <Loudergood> I'd like to import a larger dictionary actually..hmm
May 24 21:42:12 <PatrickC> I'm gonna try to use save/restore to do it
May 24 21:42:35 <PatrickC> if I find out how to do it, do I have to add the UI to save/restore? or do I just supply how to do it?
May 24 21:43:17 <Loudergood> that would be the best way
May 24 21:43:46 <PatrickC> what way? just supplying the "how-to"?
May 24 21:46:12 <Loudergood> well, working with them if you can
May 24 21:46:54 <PatrickC> them being? WOSI? just getting all my ducks in a row :)
May 24 21:47:17 <ajay> hola
May 24 21:47:44 <PatrickC> ajay!
May 24 21:47:49 <PatrickC> what's up?
May 24 21:48:25 <Loudergood> yeah, I think rwhitby does quite a bit of work on it
May 24 21:49:42 <PatrickC> ok, I think I know what needs to happen, I just need to figure out how to *make* it happen with code :)
May 24 21:50:02 <PatrickC> I think I just need to tar up the  apps folder to save, and untar to restore
May 24 21:56:57 <ajay> patrickC! nothin much, you?
May 24 21:57:14 <PatrickC> nothin much
May 24 21:57:24 <ajay> other than the fact i'm logging into my 1.4.5 profile on 2.1.0 (pre2!) for the first time (finally!)
May 24 21:57:38 <PatrickC> just tryin to backup/restore text assist :)
May 24 21:58:12 <ajay> oh forgot about that!
May 24 21:58:16 <ajay> i do want that.. is it possible?
May 24 21:58:40 <ajay> it is lagging a bit. weir.d.
May 24 21:58:44 <ajay> oh and there it crashes
May 24 21:58:47 <ajay> crap
May 24 21:59:39 <PatrickC> ajay: I'm working on it !)
May 24 21:59:41 <PatrickC> :) *
May 24 22:00:21 <ajay> PatrickC: kewl!  i'll be curious to hear ! where are you in the process?
May 24 22:00:41 <PatrickC> getting ready to try and restore now
May 24 22:05:36 <PatrickC> I just need XTerm and Internalz before I can restore
May 24 22:09:08 <ajay> ooo i'm still running an old copy of appcat, i better grab that icon while i still can :)
May 24 22:09:16 <ajay> PatrickC: exciting!
May 24 22:09:33 <PatrickC> grab what icon? lol
May 24 22:09:51 <PatrickC> grr.. I have it backed up.. I just need to restore
May 24 22:10:07 <PatrickC> but before I can restore.. I need to untar the folder :/
May 24 22:10:27 <ajay> now to find the app catalog..
May 24 22:10:32 <ajay> PatrickC: the palm app catalog icon! :)
May 24 22:10:56 <PatrickC> go to software manager
May 24 22:14:02 <Loudergood> PatrickC: what directory did you back up?
May 24 22:14:16 <PatrickC> the entire com.palm.app.textassist
May 24 22:14:31 <ajay> PatrickC: I meant on device, but i found it.. :)  i always wondered what that findapps ipk was about, haha..
May 24 22:14:37 <ajay> PatrickC: interesting..
May 24 22:14:40 <PatrickC> haha
May 24 22:22:58 <rwhitby> tarring up the whole com.palm.app.textassist directory will not be accepted into save/restore.  tar up only the data files that contain the information you want to save, not the app.
May 24 22:24:11 <Loudergood> I'm pretty sure there aren't even data files in that directory
May 24 22:25:30 <rwhitby> first place to look would be the backup manifests in impostah, then the db8 databases.
May 24 22:26:31 <NuttyBunny> give the guy a break, he's learning
May 24 22:29:35 <Loudergood> we're just nudging him in the right direction
May 24 22:37:28 <Cerealklr> PatrickC: If you need a hand, I'll be around. Havn't bothered to play with 3.0's DB yet, but a DB is a DB, and I know those pretty well. =P
May 24 22:37:45 <Cerealklr> Especially considering my prior task looks to have been completed before I even started on it now.
May 24 22:37:57 <PatrickC> Cerealklr: I could always use a hand :)
May 24 22:42:07 <Cerealklr> Let me know if you run into any stumbling blocks and I'll fire up the emu. =]
May 24 22:44:42 <PatrickC> bbl
May 24 22:47:24 <PatrickC> emu? you don't have a device?
May 24 22:48:23 <PatrickC> and I'm already at a stumbling block :) what I was going to do, rod said wouldn't be supported..
May 24 22:58:35 <Cerealklr> PatrickC: A webOS 3.0 device?
May 24 22:58:37 <Cerealklr> if only!
May 24 22:58:42 <Cerealklr> As to the stumbling block
May 24 22:58:49 <Cerealklr> you're going to want to find where the databases are in 3.0
May 24 22:58:56 <Cerealklr> I'm pretty sure they'd be in /var/luna/data
May 24 23:50:37 <ajay> oo, whitby's in on the ndrive fun too. nice
May 25 00:01:31 <ajay> i don't remember, vzw means legacy?  I'm confused why only adv sys stuff has 2 sets of patches..
May 25 00:05:34 <ajay> hm, looks like only the legacy installs, so maybe not. eh
May 25 00:13:41 <rwhitby> actually, there are three sets
May 25 00:15:52 <PatrickC> are the Pre's and Pixi's modem firmware the same?
May 25 00:16:51 <ajay> rwhitby: yeah i just noticed that.. interesting..
May 25 00:17:13 <ajay> and i have to install a different one each time
May 25 00:17:49 <rwhitby> PatrickC: you realise that Pre and Pixi have completely different modem chipsets, right?
May 25 00:18:18 <PatrickC> nope..
May 25 00:19:02 <ajay> ok, think i got all the advc sys pref patches installed.. phew, i'm tired now.. ;^)
May 25 00:19:16 <rwhitby> PatrickC: you might want to be aware of the hardware before going near modem firmware.
May 25 00:19:51 <PatrickC> ok, thanks
May 25 00:31:44 <ajay> damn preware got uninstalled again? whatsup with that..
May 25 00:32:10 <rwhitby> ajay: did you have auto-install-preware in your meta-doctor?
May 25 00:32:17 <ajay> hm, it looks like it's still there, wonder why it's icon has a black circle on it
May 25 00:32:37 <ajay> rwhitby: yeah.. but it never did so i did by hand.. ah, i see we've figured out the problem before i said more :)
May 25 00:32:53 <ajay> where do I find the appropriate script to disable?
May 25 00:33:05 <rwhitby> yeah, you still have an entry in the installHistory.db that needs to be removed
May 25 00:33:27 <ajay> db? oh that doesn't sound as fun.. ;^)
May 25 00:36:41 <ajay> what app do you recommend for editing this DB?
May 25 00:37:56 <PatrickC> what DB?
May 25 00:38:56 <ajay> InstallHistory.db
May 25 00:39:40 <rwhitby> sqlite
May 25 00:41:39 <ajay> oh, and it's on the device. convenient. now to figure out how to use it.. ;^)
May 25 00:44:08 <rwhitby> sqlite3 foo.db .dump
May 25 00:44:20 <rwhitby> if you have nothing outstanding to install, just remove the .db file
May 25 00:47:53 <ajay> hm, the other 2 apps in there seem to have resolved themselves, so yeah, that sounds easy enough..
May 25 00:51:04 <ajay> oh tux still has a black eye
May 25 00:54:04 <ajay> removed, reinstalling
May 25 01:03:23 <spiffyfitz> oh mn
May 25 01:03:35 <spiffyfitz> man
May 25 01:03:39 <spiffyfitz> good run at the frolf course
May 25 01:07:18 <spiffyfitz> looks like people are going nuts installing 2.1 on their pixis :)
May 25 01:07:34 <spiffyfitz> also lots of issues too i see :)
May 25 01:10:00 <ajay> crap i never fixed optware, now i can't install it.. oh! the curse.. :)
May 25 01:18:20 <ajay> arg
May 25 01:18:41 <ajay> wait, 2.1 on pixis is happenin?  wow..
May 25 01:18:51 <spiffyfitz> nuttybunny pulls through
May 25 01:19:33 <spiffyfitz> i'm hoping he refines it more so there aren't any little issues with it, people with CDMA pixis seem to have to reboot a lot
May 25 01:19:38 <spiffyfitz> so i'm gonna wait to flash mine :)
May 25 01:36:03 <ajay> someone said there was a patch to make photos go into other than 100PALM?
May 25 01:40:34 <PatrickC> look in preware
May 25 01:42:51 <ajay> PatrickC: was that to me?  there was none in photo..
May 25 01:43:16 <PatrickC> I use 'em on all 4 of my 2.1 devices
May 25 02:01:59 <PatrickC> ajay: find 'em?
May 25 02:02:13 <ajay> PatrickC: i didn't look again (in USB mode), did you?
May 25 02:02:28 <ajay> i swear there aren't any from the multiple times i looked.. in camera right?
May 25 02:02:29 <PatrickC> I didn't look, I already have 'em installed :)
May 25 02:02:43 <PatrickC> not sure, let me look
May 25 02:04:58 <PatrickC> ajay: improved photo naming PRE
May 25 02:06:17 <ajay> PatrickC: i have that.. so that just allows me the opportunity to change the directory name, which wouldn't have been possible before the patch (at least that's what i took from the patch).. which.. hrmm..
May 25 02:06:50 <PatrickC> it changes the photos names
May 25 02:07:04 <ajay> I want to store in 101PALM, 102PALM, etc, by default
May 25 02:07:18 <PatrickC> why?
May 25 02:07:52 <ajay> PatrickC: the question isn't why, the question is: why not!
May 25 02:08:04 <PatrickC> lol
May 25 02:08:12 <PatrickC> what would that help?
May 25 02:08:18 <ajay> (as in, why did palm copy an existing system, but forget that default step!)
May 25 02:09:07 <ajay> it's how it's done, you don't create a DCIM/10xVENDOR folder and then not use it as everyone else does, autoincrementing after every 100 (+/-) snaps.. or does the pre actually do that, but the photo-naming patch breaks it?
May 25 02:09:34 <PatrickC> I don't think it ever did that
May 25 02:10:56 <ajay> nonsense
May 25 02:11:07 <ajay> (that's directed at palm, not you btw :)
May 25 02:11:35 <PatrickC> lol
May 25 02:13:45 <ajay> ok i just edited the js itself, whatevs! I say to hpalm..
May 25 02:14:31 <PatrickC> so now it does what?
May 25 02:14:40 <ajay> saves in 102PALM/
May 25 02:14:43 <ajay> videos+photos
May 25 02:15:07 <ajay> which is something, incidentally, the patch enables me to do that i couldn't do before (afaik)
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