**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 27 02:59:58 2011 May 27 05:09:31 does anyone know if the bootloader on the pre is open? or is that part of what meta-doctor touches? May 27 05:34:02 ping May 27 05:34:20 wrong channel ;) May 27 05:34:29 fail May 27 05:39:21 finally got my pre 2. May 27 05:39:59 are there any apps or homebrew/patches/kernels for filesystem encryption? May 27 05:49:31 jasonyump: not that I know of May 27 05:49:49 at one point rwhitby and I started a truecrypt app but it never happened May 27 05:49:57 probably because the name was garbage? May 27 05:50:05 lol what was the name? May 27 05:50:09 how far did you guys get on it? May 27 05:51:03 * PatrickC wonders what we are talking about May 27 05:51:12 encryption May 27 05:51:19 im not sure on the service, and i dont remember on the app May 27 05:51:50 it was "true crypt" rot13 encrypted or something? May 27 05:52:18 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/gehrpelcg.git;a=summary May 27 05:52:26 GehrPelcg lol May 27 05:52:53 lol... May 27 05:52:53 umm.. ok lol May 27 05:52:56 sounds like someone just bashed on the kb May 27 05:53:13 they did a halfhalo May 27 05:53:32 no, a halfhalo involves fire and sharp objects May 27 05:53:32 :) May 27 05:53:38 lol May 27 05:54:16 we can't call it truecrypt for whatever reason May 27 05:54:27 and weboscrypt/etc are just lame :/ May 27 05:54:53 yeah weboscrypt woulda been typical May 27 05:55:05 cryptah May 27 05:55:19 halfcrypt May 27 05:55:42 ucrypt May 27 05:56:14 encryption May 27 05:56:14 lol May 27 05:56:41 ncryption :) May 27 05:57:33 i think the app could be completed relatively quickly with code already in other apps (like the filepicker now working async in impostah) May 27 05:57:47 yeah May 27 05:57:49 async!!!!! May 27 05:57:52 rwhitby would have to figure out was needed in the service May 27 05:58:23 i need to rediscover all these new apps like impostah. May 27 05:58:40 ive been away from webos for so long..so much has haappened May 27 05:58:41 which also needs a new name, haha May 27 05:58:47 lol May 27 05:59:10 Impostah is the perfect name for what it does at the moment May 27 05:59:13 doesnt seem like it would be too difficult to get the encryption working. May 27 05:59:25 jasonyump: the binary is built, and it works May 27 05:59:32 * oil looks at it as the "kitchen sink" of the apps, haha May 27 05:59:46 is thats whats on that github? May 27 05:59:50 the problem is that on a Pre- it took a minute to mount an encrypted volume May 27 06:00:06 not github May 27 06:00:40 ah yeah i can imagine.. May 27 06:00:42 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/gehrpelcg.git;a=tree;f=binaries/arm is the binary, which was built with the WIDK May 27 06:01:01 it was much faster on Pixie. Haven't tested on Pre 2 or Veer. May 27 06:01:15 gotta figure out why node is not liking widk this weekend, because I really want to play with an updated version May 27 06:01:18 rwhitby: is the slowness that bad that a spinner wouldn't make it work? May 27 06:01:18 haha May 27 06:01:21 ah it may not be compatible..ill check it out in a minute May 27 06:01:47 the issue is whether the kernel has hw crypto or not May 27 06:01:55 pixi kernel does, pre kernel doesn't. May 27 06:03:20 uberkernel says its got kernel crypto modules required by truecrypt May 27 06:05:15 yes, but they are not hw accel on Pre 1.4.5 kernel May 27 06:05:26 they are on Pixi May 27 06:05:59 ah May 27 06:06:10 do you know if they are or not on the pre 2? May 27 06:32:12 don't know May 27 06:40:12 oil: are you waiting on me to do anything with wIRC? May 27 06:40:47 no, waiting on PuffTheMagic :) May 27 06:40:58 * Adora blames PuffTheMagic May 27 06:41:00 what's the holdup? May 27 06:41:16 getting the plugin stripped correctly? May 27 06:41:20 i believe May 27 06:41:22 and delete the postinst May 27 06:42:06 and a slowdown i noticed in 2.x when there are a lot of events being fired that we need to fix May 27 06:43:14 channel list and joining a channel with a lot of users locks up the gui May 27 06:44:47 like, someone needs to run '/path/to/crosscompiletoolchain/bin/strip wirc' ? May 27 06:45:06 Adora: he has been out of town, hopefully we'll get it done and resubmitted this weekend May 27 06:50:25 dwc-: probably something like that May 27 06:57:00 hello May 27 09:05:51 Hello May 27 14:00:48 hola May 27 14:23:41 hey hey May 27 14:24:03 hey kevets, did the phone work? May 27 14:25:00 hey kevets May 27 14:25:27 naw - but i got my blackberry activated again so i want to try and figure somethin out with this today. i did run a PmModemUpdater and it completed, but i still think some files are missing May 27 14:25:45 uhoh May 27 14:26:13 after booting it to the 1.4.5.1 .uImage (the files are different sizes after all) i see in /tmp there is a tokens directory May 27 14:26:21 not sure what i can use it for yet May 27 14:26:36 did you ever get it to doctor fully to 1.4.5(.1)? May 27 14:27:13 the tokens directory is just a link to the real tokens, nothing of much use unless the previous owner changed them May 27 14:27:15 nah the last attempt i did is the one that stopped at 64% so i haven't gotten a regular doctor to run completely yet May 27 14:28:10 PmModemUpdater -v does return info now though May 27 14:31:18 heres the output of it now http://pastebin.com/YcyLxyr0 May 27 14:31:38 Don't know what Passthrough Disabled!. means still May 27 14:32:24 once you get membooted, I'm of no help :) May 27 14:32:44 would be interesting to get PmLinuxModemCmd on there and try and test things... May 27 14:32:52 kevets: did you try PmModemUpdater -b ? May 27 14:33:00 haven't yet, lets see May 27 14:33:02 if it reads the entire nvram you may be set May 27 14:33:57 PuffTheMagic: The 2.1 Pixi does the devmode/usbnet crash as well with freetether :D May 27 14:34:01 * NuttyBunny ducks May 27 14:34:14 farts May 27 14:34:22 looks like it stops again May 27 14:34:23 haha? May 27 14:34:26 ah ok May 27 14:34:27 lol May 27 14:34:40 "Start reading NV item from modem . . . . 5182" and not moving May 27 14:42:50 mmm... it's not *that* bad... May 27 14:42:59 it's going farther than the first time ;) May 27 14:43:27 I'd do the PmModemUpdater after all, it seems already borked, you don't have much to lose May 27 14:44:20 it did seem to get farther May 27 14:44:27 heh yeah why not May 27 14:45:16 0531 was the last number you got yesterday May 27 14:45:32 and when you manage to get it working, swap it with someone else ;) May 27 14:46:26 This weekend will be E*yo weekend for me, no Pixi, no Messaging Plugins this time. May 27 14:46:50 lol May 27 14:47:21 whats your main phone NuttyBunny May 27 14:47:39 Pre 2 May 27 14:48:21 i actually was at a verizon store that had one charged and powered on (shocking) and they seem real nice May 27 14:48:36 can't wait to see what the next phone verizon gets is May 27 14:49:37 hopefully it doesn't take all year May 27 14:50:44 * NuttyBunny gets his X.0 b5 EA *DK emu image to play with *ny* May 27 14:53:07 stupid k*yb%ar= ;) May 27 14:54:38 hehe May 27 14:55:03 i dont think *'s every few letters makes talking about whats under an NDA ok May 27 14:55:07 but, im no lawyer May 27 14:56:28 Hey! Look! A puppy!!! May 27 14:58:49 I really have to clean up my VirtualBox images directory May 27 14:59:40 I have 15 different iso files, and this will be the 16th May 27 14:59:53 all SDK related :S May 27 15:00:16 3Gb... well, it's not that much May 27 15:03:52 had to reinstall my ubuntu "partition" last time i had to build an image... i had only made it like 10GB and after installing a couple ubuntu updates there wasn't free space for the script to finish May 27 15:04:07 that works pretty well though, partitioning itself into a file like that May 27 15:07:38 kevets: next time look into /var/cache/apt and delete the .deb files there, they're already applied updates :) May 27 15:09:09 yep... definitely information i could have used last week! jk.. but that is totally what i was looking for, anything to grab some space May 27 15:09:29 linux can be powerful and a bit scary if you aren't sure of what all the files are there for lol May 27 15:10:04 yeah May 27 15:10:35 Yep, and it's easier to delete something you don't know, since it won't tell you "this file is for this or that", it just lets you delete it... May 27 15:11:11 yea it's like "okay well you're root so i'll let you screw it up as much as you want" May 27 15:11:21 of course, after you do a rm -rf * in the wrong directory (/ for example), you'll learn to be more careful May 27 15:11:23 lol May 27 15:12:10 hehe May 27 15:12:20 kevets: rm -rf / May 27 15:12:20 Yeah, that time I was wondering why the directory was taking soooo long to delete, it only had a few files... then I saw the command again, and ctrl-C .. it was too late :) May 27 15:12:25 is your friend ;) May 27 15:12:26 don't do that May 27 15:12:29 wewt... exchange db at my client today just crossed over the 300GB mark... 95 mailboxes May 27 15:12:30 hehe May 27 15:12:38 not scary at all.... ehhh May 27 15:13:01 haha yeah you learn from stuff like that May 27 15:13:43 hmm... how would you go into recovery mode on the veer? May 27 15:13:46 Fork Bomb FTW! :D :(){ :|: & };: May 27 15:13:48 no removable battery May 27 15:14:41 you don't have to pull a battery to get into recovery mode May 27 15:14:47 it's just a bit easier that way May 27 15:15:03 ah May 27 15:15:31 RagingMind: What do you do then your Pixi won't turn on with the usb cable, charger, or power button? May 27 15:15:47 mine did it about 3 times during my playtime May 27 15:16:02 *playtime* :) May 27 15:17:34 never had that happen with the pixi May 27 15:19:24 howd you get it to turn back on? May 27 15:20:20 battery pull, of course May 27 15:20:38 ah May 27 15:20:53 can you help me do a batt pull on a veer? ;) May 27 15:22:02 bbl May 27 15:25:02 hey, does anyone know how to talk with /dev/modemdiag? May 27 15:27:50 PmLinuxModemCmd ? May 27 15:28:19 haven't heard of that before May 27 15:29:00 *searches webos-internals.org May 27 15:29:53 zandi: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Research_Pre_GSM_Modem May 27 15:30:03 reading it right now May 27 15:30:06 i like what i see so far May 27 15:30:06 the command is in 1.4.x only, not in 2.x May 27 15:31:23 that's fine for me. iirc 1.4.5 is the highest that'll work on the first pre's May 27 15:31:54 2.1 works May 27 15:32:33 ah May 27 15:34:05 wtf. May 27 15:34:19 is it normal to have an empty /var/lib/software/ModemFiles/ ? May 27 15:34:21 NuttyBunny you found that in 1.4.5 eh? May 27 15:35:02 kevets, yep, didn't I tell you? the problem is that the device names aren't the same, and I got no response in the ones that I saw in /dev :( May 27 15:35:17 hmm May 27 15:35:29 so really a gsm only thing it looks like May 27 15:35:38 zandi: maybe, everything in /var is not *that* important May 27 15:35:55 kevets: no, I have a GSM Pre+, that's the one I was playing with yesterday May 27 15:35:56 seems like a lot of the modem flashing testing and stuff was done on gsm pres May 27 15:36:01 oh May 27 15:36:25 maybe i'll try running a regular 1.4.5 doctor image on it May 27 15:36:48 well, i just ls -a'd that on a phone that was running fine for a while, i figured something would show up. meh May 27 15:36:56 maybe i'd have to update the prl for it to store a file there May 27 15:37:13 oh, and i'm trying to do this modem stuff on a CDMA phone, so i'm not sure if it'll work... May 27 15:49:51 also, it doesn't seem like PmLinuxModemCmd has the features i would need... May 27 16:23:16 say, can anyone run "PmLinuxModemCmd /dev/modemdiag s" and let me know what comes up? May 27 16:23:33 i'm not sure if it just isn't working properly on my CDMA pre, or if it just doesn't return the ESN on stdout May 27 16:28:05 tryin to get 1.4.5 on my pre + to look for that cmd May 27 16:28:08 is it in /usr/bin? May 27 16:28:51 yes, i think so May 27 16:29:04 lemme check... May 27 16:29:27 is there a switch when running a doctor image to bypass the modem flash? it always causes mine to fail out May 27 16:29:31 yes, /usr/bin/PmLinuxModemCmd May 27 16:29:51 no idea. you might have to dig into the code for that one. May 27 16:30:14 i /would/ say to remove the image from your resources, but i'm not sure how it'll behave with it missing. May 27 16:31:13 there must be a switch or something May 27 16:31:18 thats what i'm thinking May 27 16:37:24 well, i'd imagine it would fail out when if fails to open the file, meaning it would just crash anyways... May 27 16:37:51 i'm thinking you may have to dig into the code and just patch that part out though. May 27 16:40:26 how do I autocomplete in wirc? :S May 27 16:40:34 tab? May 27 16:40:48 kevets: doesn't metadoctor have an option to do that? May 27 16:41:17 zandi: wIRC, my Pre doesn't have a tab key :P May 27 16:41:45 yea i think so... i haven't metadoctored a regular vz doctor image yet May 27 16:41:54 then i'm not sure. tab seems like the standard auto-complete thing though, maybe it's a keycombo that'll send a \t... May 27 16:41:56 just lazily by running the provided 2.1.0 script May 27 16:43:13 I feel like it's gesture+i, but I'm not 100% sure May 27 16:44:41 what's goin on? May 27 16:45:04 not a whole lot. just pondering /dev/modemdiag May 27 16:45:23 NuttyBunny_Pre2: why do you need to tab in wirc? lol May 27 16:45:52 what about modemdiag? May 27 16:46:02 autocomplete, not tab.. just autocomplete :( May 27 16:46:12 like for words? May 27 16:46:16 its an option :) May 27 16:46:53 oc80z, i'm trying to talk with it. like send commands & read results, etc. May 27 16:47:05 the PPP commands sent to /dev/modem /dev/modemdiag /dev/gps are ports the modem listens on, they should just be symbolic links to eg; /dev/tts/ttyusb1 or /dev/ttyUSB0 May 27 16:47:14 yeah May 27 16:47:14 try comgt , minicom, May 27 16:47:26 PPP commands like , at , atd , etc.. ath0++ May 27 16:47:38 there should be more ports that give more info. May 27 16:47:41 i don't want to do ppp commands though, i have to do diagnostic stuff May 27 16:47:48 like read the ESN, NV_ITEMs, etc. May 27 16:47:53 yeah May 27 16:48:01 for qualcomm is it? May 27 16:48:07 should be, i think May 27 16:48:15 dunno if there is any licensing/disclousure on their stuff. May 27 16:48:26 i know with other stuff like sierra, there is. May 27 16:48:28 well, i have the commands i need May 27 16:48:36 ah so you need to interface with it May 27 16:48:37 i'm just having issues actually using it May 27 16:48:47 try installing minicom or comgt May 27 16:48:51 like, i tried PmLinuxModemCmd, but i'm not sure it's working right May 27 16:48:54 ok. May 27 16:49:05 can you use PPP scripts? May 27 16:49:11 not sure, i've never done that May 27 16:49:12 like /etc/ppp/peers or chat scripts May 27 16:49:26 im not sure if pppd is installed. May 27 16:49:37 but if it is, you can use the ppp scripts to send commands May 27 16:49:58 hmmm May 27 16:50:02 there are more driver stuff that can be turned on via debug mode in the /proc/ or /sys/ folder by echo 1 > debug or somthing.. May 27 16:50:14 so you can get more kernel debugging for the specific device May 27 16:50:30 alright May 27 16:50:35 its in there... May 27 16:50:48 my phone is acting like shit.. tbh. May 27 16:50:55 im sorry i cant interface with it and help. May 27 16:51:03 its on its last leg, tbh. May 27 16:51:05 that's fine May 27 16:51:16 thanks for the direction May 27 16:51:21 im tryin to bring my cdma pre + back to life too lol May 27 16:51:31 let me know if you get somewhere zandi May 27 16:51:48 i flashed the verizon firmware on to the sprint pre May 27 16:51:51 sucks May 27 16:52:56 dammit. novaterm doesn't take arrow keys, does it? May 27 16:53:07 it does for me May 27 16:53:09 64%... lets see if it quits out again May 27 16:53:11 :/ May 27 16:53:20 not like up arrow for last command though May 27 16:53:32 yeah, that's the main thing. doesn't take down either May 27 16:53:57 actually, i don't think it takes any for me May 27 16:54:12 yeah now that you mention it im not sure May 27 16:55:36 yeah, no arrow keys for me, lol May 27 16:55:48 i'm stuck with hjkl in vi/less/etc. May 27 16:56:15 on windows? May 27 16:56:26 cause all that works for me May 27 16:56:53 yes, windows May 27 16:57:00 that could be it May 27 16:58:20 ls -l May 27 16:58:26 dang May 27 16:58:30 wrong window May 27 16:59:37 ug May 27 16:59:46 Open Port /dev/tts/modemdiag Failed! still May 27 17:00:31 you /might/ have to be in a sort of diag/dev mode, not sure May 27 17:01:05 this is in memboot mode or whatev May 27 17:01:20 thats what i've been trying under lately May 27 17:09:36 hey zandi can u run PmModemUpdater -b on ur phone and have it complete? May 27 17:09:50 what, that just updates the prl? May 27 17:10:10 PmModemUpdater -b Backup NV items from device to /var/firmware/palm_nv_backup.txt May 27 17:10:18 ooh, i didn't notice that one May 27 17:10:28 mine will never finish May 27 17:10:46 it alwyas hangs after it gets to a certain number, not always the same May 27 17:11:20 ah, so i don't need to do it on an activated phone May 27 17:11:22 i'll give it a shot May 27 17:12:36 when does yours stop? May 27 17:12:41 ah May 27 17:12:48 Start reading NV item from modem . . . . 5182 May 27 17:12:50 yeah, mine seems to have hung on nv item 269 May 27 17:13:05 both phones borked? May 27 17:13:06 and the last time it only got to like 210 May 27 17:13:14 is yours verizon or sprint? May 27 17:13:19 I have a vzw pre+ I can mess around with later May 27 17:13:33 mines unactivated though May 27 17:13:36 not even responding to Ctrl+d/ctrl+c May 27 17:13:43 yea i have to close novaterm to get out of that one May 27 17:14:17 kevets: I can help later today probably if its not fixed by then May 27 17:14:17 yea i am wondering cuz there is a way to back up NV settings to a .txt file, and tehn there is a command to load them in from a file May 27 17:14:30 PmModemUpdater -r /path/to/nvfile Load NV items from nvfile May 27 17:14:41 which I'd like to try if i can get a good NVfile for this phone May 27 17:14:52 I can get you the full nv settings in a .txt file May 27 17:14:55 ooooh May 27 17:15:00 that's EXACTLY what i needed. May 27 17:15:04 i'm gonna be trying that one for sure May 27 17:15:08 tell me how to get 'em May 27 17:15:23 PatrickC: PmModemUpdater -b Backup NV items from device to /var/firmware/palm_nv_backup.txt May 27 17:15:33 just the first part May 27 17:15:43 so: May 27 17:16:05 PmModemUpdater -b May 27 17:16:20 yepp May 27 17:16:21 brb May 27 17:16:25 ok May 27 17:16:30 memboot first I presume? May 27 17:16:52 i'm trying to get it to finish as well May 27 17:17:11 I could get the nvsettings from a sprint Pre minus May 27 17:17:22 fuck. mine stopped at 236 again... May 27 17:17:54 242... May 27 17:18:02 maybe these commands are flaky on CDMA modems... May 27 17:20:16 I don't think so..... May 27 17:20:19 * NuttyBunny_Pre2 tries May 27 17:20:22 fuck. it keeps stopping, but it stops at a higher nv_item each time May 27 17:20:27 i May 27 17:20:44 *i'd be interested in an nv_item dump as well, if anyone can manage to get one May 27 17:22:50 maybe it freezes because of the dumb way it's writing/deleting to show you the nv_item it's on... May 27 17:24:39 nah, it works fine on my Plus May 27 17:24:57 it dumped the file & everything? May 27 17:26:05 go to nelsonhaha.com ... mine did it, on the first try, perfectly :P all the way to 9192 May 27 17:26:44 would you mind uploading the file somewhere? May 27 17:35:41 interesting May 27 17:35:50 mine just dumped the settings actually May 27 17:38:00 mine "froze" and i left it "running" May 27 17:38:16 it still shows up in ps aux, but i don't think it's actually doing anything, just frozen for real :/ May 27 17:38:33 mine never finished before May 27 17:38:38 heres what it looks like http://pastebin.com/xcwiFHNm May 27 17:39:11 bingo! that's what i needed May 27 17:39:23 i /think/ this is enough to craft a .txt file it'll accept May 27 17:39:25 hmm so i wonder if mine will reflash now May 27 17:39:38 although judging on how well it's backing 'em up, i don't think it'll succeed in writing... May 27 17:40:08 is there a diagnostic thing i can try for cdma? May 27 17:40:30 what are you wanting to try? May 27 17:40:42 i dunno... my 3G hasn't worked in over a month May 27 17:40:48 hm May 27 17:41:02 the only thing that comes to mind is the built-in modem test May 27 17:41:26 quick tests? May 27 17:41:29 might also be able to do PmModemUpdater -i May 27 17:41:33 yeah, that's what i was thinking May 27 17:41:49 yeah like i've always gotten '20 Modem' errors on quick tests May 27 17:42:16 can someone point me in the correct direction in regards to a question about a sprint frankenpreplus/meta-doctor-2.1.0 and tokens? May 27 17:42:30 so i wonder if i can take these nv settings and load them back onto the phone after doctoring it back to 2.1.0 with all the extras and activation bypass turned on May 27 17:43:04 kevets: that's similar to what i'm going to try May 27 17:43:09 what phone did you pull this from again? May 27 17:43:23 this is just after a failed 1.4.5 verizon doctor May 27 17:43:23 coveredwagonkid, sorry, i haven't a clue :/ May 27 17:43:26 pre + May 27 17:43:33 i wonder if they're the same on the pre... May 27 17:43:37 i'd imagine so May 27 17:43:54 some of them are proprietary though, so they might've changed between phones May 27 17:44:02 i'm going to try a different one, maybe it won't freeze May 27 17:44:04 zandi, thanks May 27 17:44:25 coveredwagonkid, but, i don't mess with that stuff much. someone else might have a better idea May 27 17:45:33 * kevets fires up his 2.1.0 doctor image May 27 17:46:31 here's my dilema-- i successfully completed my surgery to make a frankenpreplus, ran the default sprint meta-doctor script, and i got the "this dr not compatible with device" error. i saw on the wiki instructions to work around this by injecting the tokens into the meta-doctor, but i didn't pull the tokens before the surgery May 27 17:47:32 my question is do i need to redo everything or can i piece together the tokens from the device as they are now? May 27 17:47:46 that sounds familiar May 27 17:48:01 i haven't done that but i feel like i've read that before May 27 17:48:11 kevets, how did the program behave when it dumped everything? did it continue counting, or did the counting freeze? May 27 17:48:19 i'm wondering if i should let it 'run', or kill it May 27 17:48:20 it never stopped May 27 17:48:28 k May 27 17:48:28 counted all the way up to 9192 or whatever May 27 17:48:45 is that kind of surgery difficult coveredwagonkid? May 27 17:48:45 then said something like "read all nv items"? May 27 17:48:49 seems intimidating May 27 17:49:15 yeah i believe so May 27 17:49:26 alright May 27 17:49:34 mine went all the way to 9192 and then finished succesfully.. weird cause that was like the only time it did that May 27 17:49:35 i'll start to work on this shit then May 27 17:49:39 yeah May 27 17:49:52 kevets, i followed the pictorial on the wiki, as well as the video posted by webosroundup. it wasn't terrible... May 27 17:50:05 nice May 27 17:50:26 i love the fact that people figured out u could even do that, lol May 27 17:56:07 so, does anyone in here have a palm pre? as in one of the first ones? May 27 17:56:43 * PatrickC raises hand May 27 17:56:45 Pre-? May 27 17:58:07 yeah. not a pre+ or anything. just a cdma pre May 27 17:59:25 yep May 27 17:59:28 I got 2 here May 27 18:00:53 i'm wondering, can you run "PmModemUpdater -b" on one and upload the text file it produces somewhere? May 27 18:01:07 i still have my launch day pre May 27 18:01:10 kevets did one from is pre+, but i don't know if any of the nv_items have changed May 27 18:01:27 i don't /think/ they did, but i have to be sure, and none of my palms are cooperating May 27 18:01:38 i'm gonna re-flash one and everything and see if it's in a better mood after that May 27 18:02:14 I can run it in a few, not near a PC atm May 27 18:02:23 coveredwagonkid: could you? May 27 18:02:29 cool, i would appreciate it May 27 18:04:45 hmm on 2.1.0 again now - got the old "Your phone could not establish a data connection (67)" May 27 18:04:51 does that mean my settings are off? May 27 18:05:02 i feel like i need that qpst programmer May 27 18:05:23 turn airplane mode on/off May 27 18:05:28 see what that does May 27 18:06:00 not goin into airplane mode right May 27 18:06:16 still have signal bars May 27 18:06:28 give it a few seconds.. May 27 18:06:45 2nd try did it May 27 18:07:59 turned airplane mode off, no change. still no 3G May 27 18:08:51 hrmm.. May 27 18:08:58 throw it at a wall? :) May 27 18:09:09 did you get it from HP/vzw? May 27 18:09:39 from craigslist - and when i tried the warranty angle they all said it was older than a year May 27 18:09:41 weak May 27 18:12:08 PatrickC sorry for the delay, i'll try in a minute May 27 18:12:39 coverdwagonkid: ok, thanks May 27 18:12:47 kevets: that stinks May 27 18:13:09 anyone in here know C? May 27 18:13:46 yes May 27 18:13:54 not super-amazingly well, but alright May 27 18:13:54 what desktop OS? May 27 18:13:59 linux May 27 18:14:14 well, i'm unfamiliar with how windows does stuff/wants things in C May 27 18:14:26 ah.. I was gonna ask if Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate was a good program to use.. May 27 18:14:40 no idea, but i hear visual studio is alright once it's all setup May 27 18:14:43 I'm wanting to know C for mobile development May 27 18:14:51 honestly, the only IDE i've used at length is eclipse, and that's for java. May 27 18:14:59 * halfhalo pets his VS2010 May 27 18:15:02 yeah same here May 27 18:15:03 i haven't done anything in C of significant size or complication May 27 18:15:17 halfhalo: VS2010 what? Pro, Ultimate, what? May 27 18:15:17 so i've just used vi/vim/gvim, heh May 27 18:15:26 ult May 27 18:15:29 ah May 27 18:15:33 you likey? May 27 18:15:42 it does what it does, and it does it for free May 27 18:15:59 free? VS2010 Ult is like $3000 May 27 18:16:10 * halfhalo knows people May 27 18:16:12 isn't it? May 27 18:16:32 technet ftw May 27 18:16:37 lol May 27 18:16:37 * PatrickC has a dad who's part of the Microsoft Academic Alliance May 27 18:17:00 halfhalo: did you get it free *legally*? May 27 18:17:00 lol May 27 18:17:00 If you are in college you can get it free through dreamspark May 27 18:17:01 Who did the CSS for preware.org? May 27 18:17:11 I got my copy through college too May 27 18:17:18 * PatrickC is in highscool :/ May 27 18:17:23 Matbee, templarian May 27 18:17:33 but I can still get it free... :) May 27 18:17:34 scoutcamper: HS's are in dreamspark as well May 27 18:17:36 legally ;) May 27 18:17:49 PatrickC: technet. Google it. May 27 18:17:58 wait.. dreamspark is for HS too? awesome May 27 18:18:27 last time i tried to register for dreamspark it said i was already on there... May 27 18:18:38 which is totally wrong, but whatever May 27 18:18:41 email them, thats what I did May 27 18:18:50 good idea May 27 18:18:58 can you get OSes through dreamspark? May 27 18:19:15 matbee: That site was done in two ours like we tell everone if you want to redo the website you can. May 27 18:19:16 I think hey have win7 May 27 18:19:24 two hours* May 27 18:19:46 they have vista and 7 and server May 27 18:19:46 * halfhalo is rocking win 7 ultimate on all his windows computers May 27 18:19:46 win7 ultimate? May 27 18:19:51 professional May 27 18:19:59 i'm not sure i even know the difference May 27 18:20:00 how can i find out if the ##DATA# settings i have are correct? May 27 18:20:05 ultimate has lame stuff May 27 18:20:09 PatrickC, since when? All they have on dreamspark is server os's May 27 18:20:10 bah May 27 18:20:29 scoutcamper: I saw win7 on there May 27 18:20:32 In Canada, they have Win7, WinVista, Server May 27 18:20:34 let me get a link May 27 18:20:47 thats win7 embedded edition for me on dreamspark May 27 18:20:49 Win7 x86/x64 May 27 18:21:01 two copies May 27 18:21:19 Templarian, I was thinking about using it for some phonegap projects May 27 18:21:22 that sounds like msdnaa here May 27 18:21:35 Yeah May 27 18:21:55 that's what my dad is a part of.. MSDNAA May 27 18:21:56 which, theoretically, I am registered for. buuuuutttttt technet. May 27 18:22:06 technet > msdnaa May 27 18:22:36 :'( May 27 18:22:55 * halfhalo has windows 3.1 on technet May 27 18:22:56 ah QPST how i missed thee - last time i screwed around with this stuff was hacking my Razr V3m to run some non verizon software to change the look and feel May 27 18:23:18 * halfhalo wins May 27 18:23:34 lol, v3ms May 27 18:23:39 i worked with those a bit May 27 18:23:41 meh May 27 18:23:55 that's my backup, backup May 27 18:23:57 phone May 27 18:24:33 heh May 27 18:25:13 i think i had vivo software running on it May 27 18:25:17 some brazillian carrier, lol May 27 18:26:39 * PatrickC wonders what Dreamspark does for Homeschoolers... May 27 18:28:31 probably jack shit May 27 18:28:40 same as college May 27 18:28:41 sounds like that would be an easy way to milk it May 27 18:28:51 actually they do: http://www.msstudentlounge.com/tabid/60/default.aspx?id=1892 May 27 18:28:52 but i'm pessimistic when it comes to microsoft May 27 23:12:36 can anyone answer a question about PRL updates on sprint frankenpre running 2.1.0? May 27 23:17:05 namely, why you can't use another prl file for the update... May 28 01:32:15 kevets: you fix it? May 28 02:29:52 hello May 28 02:30:31 anyone have info on switching carriers and fixing the texting bug, verizon to cricket on a pixi plus May 28 02:30:57 i added the carrier in the carriersettings file but noticed some old information still sticking around in palmdatabase May 28 02:31:29 i thought it may have something to do with a sms injection flaw they patched from a previous version causing the problems but am unsure **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 28 02:59:57 2011