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Jun 01 04:17:19 <Judas-C> is there something I can do to stop terminus from crashing luna
Jun 01 04:19:01 <NuttyBunny_Home> Yes, you may use xterm
Jun 01 04:19:41 <dwc-> mine doesn't do that
Jun 01 04:19:43 <ka6sox-home> stop using terminus?
Jun 01 04:20:21 <Judas-C> well I have webos 1.4.5.1
Jun 01 04:20:32 <NuttyBunny_Home> Ah, use Terminal then
Jun 01 04:20:45 <Judas-C> as soon as I run it luna restarts
Jun 01 04:20:58 <Judas-C> I do use terminal
Jun 01 04:23:15 <Judas-C> who is still on that ver webos
Jun 01 04:23:58 <dwc-> lots of people
Jun 01 04:24:21 <Judas-C> I mean who here now
Jun 01 04:24:45 <Judas-C> want to see if they can see a certain dir in internalz
Jun 01 04:25:38 * NuttyBunny_Home mentions Mexico (again) and reminds the Telcel last webOS update (1.4.0)
Jun 01 04:26:43 <Judas-C> bet that sucks
Jun 01 04:27:05 <NuttyBunny_Home> no paid apps unless you hack your app catalog here and there :S
Jun 01 04:27:12 <Judas-C> but can't they do a metadoc to 2.1
Jun 01 04:27:18 <NuttyBunny_Home> of course
Jun 01 04:27:25 <NuttyBunny_Home> but there's a restriction in the profiles
Jun 01 04:27:52 <NuttyBunny_Home> it can be overcame with a very small patch in the findapps app, of course
Jun 01 04:28:12 <NuttyBunny_Home> but almost no one knows how to do it
Jun 01 04:28:37 <NuttyBunny_Home> which reminds me.... it should be time to give my friends some paid app fun ;)
Jun 01 04:29:17 <NuttyBunny_Home> how about a couple of "enable paid apps for Mexico Telcel phones"
Jun 01 04:29:46 <Judas-C> what are you running
Jun 01 04:29:58 <NuttyBunny_Home> mmm.. but that means that I'd have to doctor my Pre to 1.4.0... bag
Jun 01 04:30:03 <NuttyBunny_Home> (Bah)
Jun 01 04:30:37 <NuttyBunny_Home> 2.1 on a Pre- (Telcel), Pre+ (AT&T), Pre2 (Unlocked), Pixi (AT&T), and 1.4.5 on a Sprint Pre-
Jun 01 04:31:53 <NuttyBunny_Home> gotta go, 11:30 here, and I have to wake up at 5am :S
Jun 01 06:38:28 <swisstomcat> morning
Jun 01 06:39:34 <halfhalo> Mornn
Jun 01 14:57:47 <kevets> any idea why a metadoctor 2.1 image that i built using the script finishes successfully on my pre + and a vzw doctor image always fails at the modem flashing part?
Jun 01 14:58:18 <kevets> i am afraid something may be wrong with the settings in my makefile
Jun 01 15:23:40 <kevets> # Uncomment the features that you wish to enable below:
Jun 01 15:23:41 <kevets>  BYPASS_ACTIVATION     = 1
Jun 01 15:23:41 <kevets>  BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP  = 1
Jun 01 15:23:41 <kevets>  ENABLE_DEVELOPER_MODE = 1
Jun 01 15:23:41 <kevets>  AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE  = 1
Jun 01 15:23:41 <kevets>  ENABLE_TESTING_FEEDS  = 1
Jun 01 15:23:41 <kevets> # INSTALL_SSH_AUTH_KEYS = 1
Jun 01 15:23:42 <kevets> # INSTALL_WIFI_PROFILES = 1
Jun 01 15:23:42 <kevets> # DISABLE_UPLOAD_DAEMON = 1
Jun 01 15:23:42 <kevets> # DISABLE_UPDATE_DAEMON = 1
Jun 01 15:23:43 <kevets> # DISABLE_MODEM_UPDATE  = 1
Jun 01 15:23:43 <kevets>  ENABLE_USB_NETWORKING = 1
Jun 01 15:24:37 <kevets> does this look like the right settings for my makefile? trying to figure out how the 2.1.0 image always works but my vzw 'stock' images always fail at the modem flashing part
Jun 01 17:04:02 <sugardave> much better
Jun 01 17:04:14 <sugardave> oops, wrong channel :D
Jun 01 17:04:17 <zandi> lol
Jun 01 19:26:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> so which of you are going to integrate the new Google Tasks API into the Tasks app? :-D
Jun 01 19:33:27 <Popple3> IGNTNUNLMTD: If only google would just include tasks in their exchange implementation :(
Jun 01 19:33:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> well it really shouldn't be too hard no
Jun 01 19:33:54 <IGNTNUNLMTD> now*
Jun 01 19:33:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> seriously
Jun 01 19:34:05 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you can get all tasks in a JSON
Jun 01 19:43:23 <summatusmentis> holy crap, Apotheker is talking about licensing webOS, potentially
Jun 01 19:44:02 <SineOt> yup
Jun 01 19:44:14 <RagingMind> NOOOO!!
Jun 01 19:44:46 <summatusmentis> why is that bad?
Jun 01 19:45:43 <Popple3> summatusmentis: Introduces a wider range of devices to test against for devs
Jun 01 19:45:54 <RagingMind> i've heard far too many things from android devs about how they hate the number of targets they have to aim at
Jun 01 19:46:20 <Popple3> summatusmentis: And patches may potentially be affected (but don't quote me on that)
Jun 01 19:46:31 <summatusmentis> isn't part of the premise of enyo that you don't need to really worry about form-factors anymore?
Jun 01 19:46:34 <SineOt> They could easily just go the WP7 route
Jun 01 19:46:43 <Popple3> SineOt: Yeah, that's what I was thinking
Jun 01 19:46:57 <oil> better hardware yay?
Jun 01 19:46:59 <RagingMind> and I've read way too much about updates being a HUGE pain with so many different organizations involved
Jun 01 19:47:22 <SineOt> And set requirements on what the hardware can do
Jun 01 19:47:25 <SineOt> Or be
Jun 01 19:47:28 <RagingMind> updates with webos are already a sore spot.  no need to make it worse
Jun 01 19:48:01 <SineOt> RagingMind: a lot of those are two fold though
Jun 01 19:48:28 <SineOt> Especially since a lot of them have crappy overlays like TouchWIZ and Sense
Jun 01 19:49:06 <Popple3> If they take a Microsoft like approach, it could work. I definitely wouldn't like the Android approach though
Jun 01 19:49:08 <RagingMind> imaging HTC selling a webOS 1.3 device... everyone looks at it and thinks "this is crap"  now poof!  badness instilled in the minds of consumers
Jun 01 19:49:36 <SineOt> Where in the world would HTC get a webOS 1.3 build though? :p
Jun 01 19:49:47 <SineOt> Google's problem is that since it's open you can put whatever you want on a device and ship it
Jun 01 19:49:58 <RagingMind> not that they would actually sell 1.3, but down the road if they continued producing whatever device with whatever version they signed on at for a long while
Jun 01 19:50:22 <SineOt> Given that it's just a hint, it's really up in the air
Jun 01 19:51:00 <Popple3> ^ truth
Jun 01 19:51:47 <SineOt> if HP goes the WP7 route and demands that hardware support a screen of X, Y, or Z size, with a CPU of A, B, C speed, etc... And leaves HP with control of the update paths, then it's not nearly as much of a quagmire as Android is at this point, y'know?
Jun 01 19:51:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the WP7 way would be the only way to go
Jun 01 19:51:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and to be REALLY strict
Jun 01 19:52:38 <IGNTNUNLMTD> like, Samsuck thinks they're gonna get away with cutting corners and doing a 2.1 device when, say, 2.5 is out, HP freezes their launch until they fix it
Jun 01 19:52:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I could live with that
Jun 01 19:52:57 <RagingMind> a webOS device with a snazzy samsung screen would be nice
Jun 01 19:53:08 <halfhalo> Samsung has superamoled.  that makes up for everything
Jun 01 19:54:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Samsung devices feel like they're made by a six year old with a hammer and chisel and a piece of plastic
Jun 01 19:55:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I would much, much, MUCH rather see webOS on beautifully designed HTC handset
Jun 01 19:55:17 <halfhalo> superamoled
Jun 01 19:57:38 <Popple3> IGNTNUNLMTD: My Samsung Wave feels awesome in my hand. Very sturdy phone, and pretty easy on the eye too
Jun 01 19:58:01 <summatusmentis> HTC has really nice devices
Jun 01 19:58:09 <summatusmentis> I don't want to give up the palm kb though
Jun 01 19:58:14 <SineOt> Yeah HTC builds some nice ones, and so does Samsung
Jun 01 19:58:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I wasn't impressed when I went to look at the Samsung Galaxy S
Jun 01 19:58:27 <SineOt> everyone can make some missteps though
Jun 01 19:58:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and that was before I turned the damn thing on :x
Jun 01 19:59:06 <halfhalo> the focus is completely plastic, but it weighs like nothing
Jun 01 19:59:14 <Popple3> I wish the Samsung Wave ran Android. Totally would've used it full time then
Jun 01 19:59:46 <Popple3> or of course if it ran webOS... ;)
Jun 01 23:47:15 <rwhitby> morning
Jun 01 23:47:25 <halfhalo> morning
Jun 02 00:33:04 <bnceo> buenos dias rwhitby
Jun 02 00:33:15 <rwhitby> g'day bnceo
Jun 02 00:33:27 <bnceo> slept well?
Jun 02 00:38:19 <rwhitby> actually, no. my 6 yr old woke us up at 2am, but thankfully went back to sleep pretty quickly.
Jun 02 00:57:44 <floridarandy> webos2.1 install question
Jun 02 00:58:04 <floridarandy> is it appropriate here?
Jun 02 00:58:08 <rwhitby> yes
Jun 02 00:58:19 <floridarandy> greetings and thanks for all you do first off
Jun 02 00:58:36 <floridarandy> new to me verizon palm pre plus....
Jun 02 00:58:47 <floridarandy> power on shows English/Espanol
Jun 02 00:59:07 <floridarandy> have completed wiki throughstep 4.4
Jun 02 00:59:15 <rwhitby> which wiki page?
Jun 02 01:00:05 <floridarandy> at 4.5 step 4 run mod webos doctor.  at usb connection phone continues to show english/espanol
Jun 02 01:00:31 <floridarandy> not sure if doctor is running as it seemed the yellow asterisk shoudl appear??
Jun 02 01:00:56 <floridarandy> both wikis....first metadoctor, then webos2 upgrade
Jun 02 01:04:20 <floridarandy> this phone is not activated and unsure what os version was on it previously
Jun 02 01:05:57 <rwhitby> did you put the phone into recovery mode?
Jun 02 01:06:26 <floridarandy> no...just looking at wiki How to Recover?
Jun 02 01:06:54 <rwhitby> yep
Jun 02 01:07:08 <rwhitby> you get a big USB symbol on the phone when you're in recovery mode
Jun 02 01:07:33 <floridarandy> yes...familiar on my personal pre plus...will give it a whirl...brb to report either way
Jun 02 01:11:38 <floridarandy> success...have to go past language screen on phone in order for poweroff to appear...then recovery worked and doctor is active
Jun 02 01:12:16 <floridarandy> by the way...couldn't find the test-meta-verizon-preplus-2.1.0...was going to try flash version
Jun 02 01:12:35 <floridarandy> for now 2.1 then separate flash per instructions
Jun 02 01:27:28 <djk> .
Jun 02 01:29:55 <Loudergood> ..
Jun 02 01:30:08 <halfhalo> ...
Jun 02 01:31:19 <floridarandy> webos2.1 followup question
Jun 02 01:32:48 <floridarandy> doctor successfully completed...phone booted using HP logo so I assume complete.  Language selected and phone trying to activate.  Is there a way to use phone wifi without activation in order to complete installing flash support, preware, etc.  preparing this phone for son in college and want to have it complete before sending so he can activate on his verizon account?
Jun 02 02:47:23 <Ted___> Hello.
Jun 02 02:48:17 <dwc-> hi
Jun 02 02:50:23 <Ted___> I know this chat has a purpose devoted to Preware questions, but since I first got my Pre users here have often been able to answer other questions about the Pre.
Jun 02 02:50:35 <Ted___> Would you mind if I veered from the topic of Preware?
Jun 02 02:53:36 <dwc-> I don't think anyone would mind
Jun 02 02:54:50 <Ted___> Cool, because I've been poking around on Precentral for awhile, and while I love the site, sometimes the forums don't always hold the answers I'm looking for.
Jun 02 02:55:55 <Ted___> I was curious about preforming a coms board swap.
Jun 02 02:56:58 <Ted___> Have you ever preformed one?
Jun 02 02:57:07 <dwc-> not I, but I know there's some docs for it on the wiki
Jun 02 02:58:41 <Ted___> Yes, I've seen them, but I'm not to concerned about the physical guide as much as the "extractic tokens
Jun 02 02:58:55 <Ted___> "extracting tokens" part.* (Pardon the typo)
Jun 02 02:59:17 <dwc-> well, I've seen them do it. seemed pretty straight-forward
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