**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 08 02:59:56 2011 Jun 08 03:00:01 As it has always been Jun 08 03:01:16 indeed Jun 08 03:01:26 HP hasn't sorted that one out yet Jun 08 03:02:11 I bet the code is a true mess :D Jun 08 03:02:36 sure does sound like a turning their back Jun 08 03:04:28 not exactly, it's HP, they're covering holes for enterprise users. Turning their back on homebrew would imply blocking unauthorized installations, or app nuking a'la Android Jun 08 03:05:09 that's next Jun 08 03:05:21 why is everyone so gloomy...we aren't dead... Jun 08 03:05:23 Palm has always known exactly what apps you have on your device, and they let you run them even if you are not authorized. Jun 08 03:06:01 Bah, we had this discussion back when HP bought Palm, and we're still here. Jun 08 03:07:05 right Jun 08 03:07:20 well they also lied about webos 2.0 Jun 08 03:07:33 really? Jun 08 03:08:26 They did release it Jun 08 03:08:43 ohh you don't call that an outright lie. saying the palm pre will get 2.0 then say no luck to pre users Jun 08 03:08:56 they knew webos-internals would step in and help with meta doctor Jun 08 03:09:01 still have to hack i Jun 08 03:09:03 it Jun 08 03:09:20 not everyone can do it that way Jun 08 03:10:25 You have to understand that to make a new OS on an old device takes money and lots of effort. I'm happy they switched their efforts to the veer, TP and enyo Jun 08 03:10:26 for one I don't have a computer Jun 08 03:10:42 And your connection isnt too good ;) Jun 08 03:10:43 fail connection Jun 08 03:10:53 LOL Jun 08 03:11:50 also with a name like Judas... Jun 08 03:11:54 why does he complain? can't he just go and get a free Veer? ;) Jun 08 03:12:09 or a $50 one? .. Jun 08 03:12:11 Lol Jun 08 03:12:21 on sprint ? Jun 08 03:12:26 or is he one of the Android/iOS lovers that lurk around Jun 08 03:12:31 Bah sprint Jun 08 03:12:48 on sprint they can get a verizon/at&t/unlocked pre2 and switch boards Jun 08 03:13:22 so having a phone under warranty isn't really an option Jun 08 03:13:53 Is sprint really that cheap that users feel the need to stay with them? Jun 08 03:14:48 yes Jun 08 03:15:15 especially for data heavy use Jun 08 03:15:55 Even with those announcements of sprint cutting the cord as well as verizon? Jun 08 03:16:17 those stupid carriers, instead of limiting the users they should upgrade their equipment :@ Jun 08 03:16:24 its $70 a month for unlimited everything except voice calls out of network Jun 08 03:16:56 Nuttybunny: what? Jun 08 03:17:18 ok, ok, not sprint, just verizon :) Jun 08 03:17:34 * Nuttybunny spreads FUD Jun 08 03:17:37 "cutting the cord? Jun 08 03:18:23 I think I read something in P|C, about cutting unlimited data plans, maybe I was wrong Jun 08 03:20:27 every time ive heard that expression, it referred to cable tv subscribers cancelling tv service in favor of internet content delivery Jun 08 03:22:36 ah, ok, sorry then... of course I'm the worst person to trust about those matters, I'm not even in the right country Jun 08 03:59:27 it could also refer to abandoning landline based voice service, but that's almost done now, it would seem to removing unlimited plans (which weren't really unlimited) is supposed to reverse that for people going over the top with VoIP but that doesn't seem to be a significant trend yet Jun 08 07:54:03 Hi everybody. Jun 08 07:55:05 Finally wIRC works even for Me, Jun 08 07:55:43 thanks for that :-) Jun 08 15:30:58 So is there a work around to resolve the app catalog issues with a meta-doc sprint pre2 Jun 08 15:31:59 I can reinstall the updated apps with impostah...but what about new ones that i have not purchased? HOw do i see them and or install them if the app catalog will not populate and show them to me? Jun 08 15:33:16 navinag: First of all, what version do you see in palm.com/profile ? Jun 08 15:33:25 2.1 Jun 08 15:34:05 2.1.0 Jun 08 15:34:13 Device name is blank Jun 08 15:34:36 Everyting was working fine for months until HP recently changed the app catalog? Jun 08 15:35:01 that's weird, you should be seeing every 2.1 app :S Jun 08 15:35:46 I though the issue was related to HP making some change to the app catalog? Jun 08 15:36:29 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/app-catalog-troubles-for-meta-doctored-devices/ Jun 08 15:37:25 pretty sure that was a mistake on HP's part and they fixed it Jun 08 15:37:47 When will the fix be implemented Jun 08 15:38:02 I dont see some of the apps i have installed on my pre2 in the app catalog Jun 08 15:38:08 I'm not having any problems with my meta doctored device? Jun 08 15:38:11 like Music Player Remix Jun 08 15:38:18 what are you using to browse the catalog? Jun 08 15:38:20 and Aodiophile Jun 08 15:38:51 The "App Catalog" Jun 08 15:40:08 The updated App Catalog version 2.0.22300 Jun 08 15:41:17 Should the Palm profile have a "device name" on the website? Jun 08 15:41:43 I can't help, my AT&T Pre+ reports itself as 1.4.5, my Pixi as 9.9.9 and my Telcel as 1.4.0. And I see those apps on the Pre2 :( Jun 08 15:43:24 yeah I've got a meta doctored pre2 that doesn't seem to be able to see those..how odd Jun 08 15:45:03 Yeah..As a result...You cant see the new apps..Like the ones on precentral front page for new apps Jun 08 15:53:56 no one else other than Loudergood and I having these issues on their meta-doc sprint pre 2? Jun 08 15:56:31 * haeffb_pre can not see MR on frankenPre2 Jun 08 15:57:52 AdoraTMI-YokoOno: did you guys get that fixed yet? or was I mistaken? Jun 08 16:09:03 Chuq just indicated that they are still working on the app catalog issues Jun 08 16:09:30 Explained in this article: http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/app-catalog-troubles-for-meta-doctored-devices/ Jun 08 16:10:37 Hey chuqi! were you able to see "that"? :) Jun 08 17:19:30 Adora, what comes after line ending checks? Jun 08 17:20:33 spell checks Jun 08 17:20:36 PuffTheMagic: new app catalog back end that's broken in new ways of course ;) Jun 08 17:21:19 i'd blame ipv6 today :) Jun 08 17:22:42 btw: linux uses LF (\n), mac CR (\r) and windows (and http+many other protocols) CRLF (\r\n) Jun 08 17:23:45 ya think we dont know that? Jun 08 17:23:50 lol Jun 08 17:24:10 Adora hates me, always ignores me Jun 08 17:24:24 well, most linux devs know about the linux and windows ending, yeah :) Jun 08 17:24:52 it's just one more annoying anachronism Jun 08 17:31:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34ag4nkSh7Q Jun 08 17:35:13 nice :) Jun 08 17:41:20 lol @ chuqui Jun 08 18:37:56 bzzzz Jun 08 18:42:31 hi? Jun 08 19:03:03 for info: Save/restore isn't able to restore browser boomarks on webos 2.1 with O2 Pre+ Jun 08 19:09:30 Hi, somebody listening? Jun 08 19:10:33 yes? Jun 08 19:24:32 hi Jun 08 19:29:13 morning Jun 08 19:33:33 How do I make impostah tell my palm profile I'm on a Pre 2? Jun 08 19:34:00 You cannot. Jun 08 19:34:25 Let me repeat it again: "The device record is set once at first activation and can never be changed." Jun 08 19:34:29 Cool thanks... I'm trying to get 2.0 apps on my franken pre 2, ideas? Jun 08 19:34:45 the app catalog is broken. you cannot. Jun 08 19:34:56 Thanks rod Jun 08 19:36:19 Rod, ever have a device Wifi stop working? My Pre 2's wifi doesn't turn on I saw it's likely a hardware problem. just started for no reason I know of Jun 08 19:36:28 hm. i wonder how they set the device record so that it can't be changed again Jun 08 19:36:56 zandi: if (!deviceRecord) { deviceRecord = input } Jun 08 19:37:16 oh, so if you modify the phone, you'd be able to change it? Jun 08 19:37:24 no Jun 08 19:37:25 i wasn't sure if they were doing something crazy or not Jun 08 19:37:28 it's server side Jun 08 19:37:38 ah Jun 08 19:37:39 unless you're able to change Palm's server code somehow Jun 08 19:37:43 i see Jun 08 19:38:09 any of you turned a Veer into a dev device? trying to figure out how.. keeps going though this animation of inserting a SIM card, and doesn't seem to let me type webos20090606 to place in developer mode Jun 08 19:38:24 Volcom45: #*DEVMODE Jun 08 19:38:30 oops #*DEVMODE# Jun 08 19:38:35 ah, thx Rod Jun 08 19:39:22 say, has anyone hacked around on the pixi plus? Jun 08 19:40:23 many Jun 08 19:40:33 not sure how this happened, but this marketing company for HP contacted me saying congratulations i'm in the Veer Peer program.. sent me a free veer and they just want me to play with it and help them come up with videos or pics taken by it in my life for HP's facebook page Jun 08 19:40:55 I never signed up or anything, pretty cool though Jun 08 19:42:19 Volcom45: Sound like you have no use for that device..You can reroute it to my address. It not like you were planning on using it :) Jun 08 19:42:31 haha Jun 08 19:42:43 well as a Sprint user, don't really want to sign up for AT&T Jun 08 19:42:56 more of a reason to send it to me Jun 08 19:43:01 hahah Jun 08 19:43:59 but lol Jun 08 19:44:12 tempting Jun 08 19:44:15 heh. i'd like it Jun 08 19:44:18 well. maybe Jun 08 19:44:29 actually, nah. there's probably someone else in here who could use it more Jun 08 19:44:33 wonder if I could just go month-to-month on AT&T with it Jun 08 19:44:36 with no contract Jun 08 19:44:50 or if they'd still require a contract for a data plan Jun 08 19:45:11 if i was going to give it to anyone, it'd be Rod Jun 08 19:45:32 but going to play with it for awhile first.. see what I think of a small phone Jun 08 19:47:11 * NuttyBunny steals Volcom45's Pixi Jun 08 19:47:14 err... Veer ;) Jun 08 19:47:25 lol Jun 08 19:47:27 Collapsible Super Pixi Jun 08 19:47:57 I checked it out yesterday and found it to be pretty snappy...and did i mention how SMALL it was Jun 08 19:48:03 impressive for such a small phone Jun 08 19:51:11 volcom: at&t does have prepaid plans Jun 08 19:51:16 that are month-month Jun 08 19:52:50 Volcom45: I have a veer coupon and donations from the tear-down - you keep the phone and be an ambassador Jun 08 19:55:32 :) Jun 08 20:10:54 I just noticed... in the developer portal, in "Community", what are they going to do with the "Custom Catalogs" section? Just delete it? :S Jun 08 20:13:48 our local news paper had a article on the Veer the other day Jun 08 20:13:57 tore it a new one Jun 08 20:14:42 how the hell is webOS ever gonna take off if its only available on shit phones that get released super slow Jun 08 20:14:49 NuttyBunny: yes, I have advised Chuq that they might as well delete that forum section Jun 08 20:19:13 *sigh* ... but the three catalogs will still exist, am I right? Jun 08 20:19:23 (official, beta, web) Jun 08 20:21:16 I have had no official word on that, so I assume yes. Jun 08 21:55:17 anyone? Jun 08 21:55:54 need help with web doctoro and preware etc Jun 08 22:31:22 waited a whole part of a minute that one Jun 08 22:50:42 so....does anyone know what time I'm eating dinner tonight? Jun 08 22:53:39 Adora: It depends on you finishing to review all those tons of 3.0 apps you have in queue... ;) so, my take is... really late? :S Jun 08 22:53:56 ha =] Jun 08 22:54:06 * NuttyBunny plays with words to see if Adora spills apps info Jun 08 22:54:08 :D Jun 08 23:15:38 Adora Jun 08 23:15:49 how's about approving Phnx twitter client tonight :) Jun 08 23:15:53 por favor Jun 08 23:33:36 Adora: my guess is you're eating it at dinner time. Jun 08 23:44:09 Evening future Touchpad owners Jun 08 23:44:49 NuttyBunny: how are you doing? Jun 08 23:45:18 beingBoston: struggling with enyo :) Jun 08 23:45:53 NuttyBunny: it's a noble struggle i'm sure Jun 08 23:46:04 NuttyBunny: are you under the NDA? Jun 08 23:46:47 yep Jun 08 23:49:53 question for the hive mind: my Pre 2 is still throwing the "CPU-specific initialization failed" when i try to Dr it with the stock 2.1 GSM unlocked Dr. It gets to 12% and fails leaving me with the novaterm and not much else Jun 08 23:50:11 but the name "enyo" can be named! or is it as well under NDA? should I still be referring to it as "Fight Club"? :) Jun 08 23:50:40 beingBoston: I'll happily embrace your Pre2 as one of my testing devices if you don't manage to fix that ;) Jun 08 23:50:42 NuttyBunny: lol, first rule of Enyo is, you don't talk about Enyo Jun 08 23:51:21 NuttyBunny: that's about what i'm at right now. this is just about my biggest nerd foul so far Jun 08 23:52:13 NuttyBunny: it was working fine at one point, but i didn't realize that the tokens didn't need to br brought over Jun 08 23:52:32 but they can be reflashed, can't they? Jun 08 23:52:55 NuttyBunny: that's the answer i'm looking for Jun 08 23:53:12 NuttyBunny: how to recover a pre2 from this error... Jun 08 23:53:52 if it is a loose i'm more then happy to donate it to webOS internals. write it off on my taxes :-) Jun 08 23:53:59 loss* Jun 08 23:54:19 you say that you copied the tokens from another device, right? Jun 08 23:54:51 yes, but when i access the device via novaterm and look at the tokens they are the orignal tokens Jun 08 23:55:39 not reversed as rwhitby was suggesting? Jun 08 23:56:02 correct, i went through each one by hand and they are the tokens right from the box Jun 08 23:56:21 even compared them using notepad++ Jun 08 23:56:25 identical Jun 08 23:57:40 I'm no expert, but it sounds to me like "CPU-specific initialization failed" could mean that the Doctor thinks you have another device, a Pre, and it refuses to flash. Of course, I might be mistaken, and rwhitby will promptly come and kick me for saying stupid things ;) Jun 08 23:58:34 is there somewhere deeper then the tokens that could be effecting the dr? something that marked this as a Pre -? Jun 08 23:59:01 I say you create a meta doctor with the flag that ignores the device type Jun 08 23:59:16 interesting Idea Jun 08 23:59:31 no, the tokens say the device type, modem, carrier, there should be no more than that Jun 08 23:59:42 and very doable :) Jun 08 23:59:46 i'll try that out now. Jun 09 00:00:10 good luck :) Jun 09 00:04:52 i hope the beer i'm brewing turns out better then my Sprint Pre 2 project.... Jun 09 00:06:23 hehehe Jun 09 00:11:23 same error Jun 09 00:14:58 I would hate to have the dubious honor of being the guy who bricked a Pre 2 for the first time Jun 09 00:14:58 argh.. well, it was worth a shot :S Jun 09 00:15:28 it's not bricked, it just won't accept the doctor Jun 09 00:15:33 true Jun 09 00:15:38 but it's not much better off Jun 09 00:15:40 you can flash it manually ;) Jun 09 00:15:49 i'm just being dramatic Jun 09 00:16:18 "THE" pixi was flashed manually, not via a Doctor Jun 09 00:16:30 do tell? Jun 09 00:18:09 Yep, if you dissect the Doctor you can see several scripts... you can recreate your partitions if needed, but I think they're there, then you mount them in their appropiate places, and uncompress the rootfs tarball inside it Jun 09 00:37:39 beingBoston: hi Jun 09 00:37:57 rwhitby: hi rod Jun 09 00:42:19 rwhitby: I don't know what process causes the CPU initialization, so I'm teaching beingBoston how to uncompress the rootfs from the Doctor to his Pre2, as well as updating the modem firmware Jun 09 00:42:34 *CPU initialization error* **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 09 02:59:56 2011