**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 12 02:59:56 2011
Jun 12 03:00:26 <rrix> rwhitby: whats the latest version you guys support?
Jun 12 03:01:23 <rwhitby> we don't support any versions :)
Jun 12 03:01:48 <rwhitby> but the wiki has a section with a list of versions that people have had success with.
Jun 12 03:04:52 <ka6sox-away> does tweaks work on a veer?
Jun 12 03:08:48 <halfhalo> ka6sox-away: yes.
Jun 12 03:18:46 <rrix> rwhitby: well 9.04 is on that list,so :)
Jun 12 03:19:25 * rrix will upgrade when hes not on conference wirelss,then...
Jun 12 03:19:40 <rwhitby> you'd better take it off the list or put a note close to that list that 9.04 didn't work for you.
Jun 12 03:20:20 <rrix> theres a note there, now that i look,for wht apears to be the same issue, but on 10.04
Jun 12 03:20:29 <rrix> at least its in fuse
Jun 12 03:20:38 * rrix pulls out the dev machine
Jun 12 03:22:24 <rrix> "It just doesn't work tried for over a week, with fresh Ubuntu 10.4 inside and outside of virtual box, fails on libtool for common/fuse/. "
Jun 12 03:24:18 * rrix will upgrade to latest and try again
Jun 12 03:26:43 <rwhitby> rrix: packages/common/fuse builds for me on 11.04
Jun 12 03:26:57 <rrix> ok, well I will update to 11.04 :)
Jun 12 03:27:39 <rrix> Now to figure out the easiest way to do that on ubuntu... nothing like fedora's preupgrade afaict
Jun 12 03:54:07 <CalvinCollie> morning :)
Jun 12 03:56:01 <CalvinCollie> may i find support here for installing quick install and preware ?
Jun 12 03:57:30 <ka6sox-away> I wish I could help but I use palm-install for that.
Jun 12 03:58:23 <SineOt> easier is just using Novaterm and the command line preware install
Jun 12 03:58:51 <ka6sox-away> SineOt, ya, you still need novacomd
Jun 12 03:59:23 <SineOt> isn't novacomd and nova term all part of the small nova com download from the dev site?
Jun 12 03:59:32 <CalvinCollie> ka6sox-away,  palm install? is it comparable to quick install, yeah ?
Jun 12 04:00:01 <SineOt> CalvinCollie: palm-install is an SDK tool that lets you install an ilk. Command line tool
Jun 12 04:00:02 <ka6sox-away> no, that comes with the SDK...but I am not saying go eet that.
Jun 12 04:00:23 <SineOt> so novacomd is part of the small separate download, but nova term is part of the SDK?
Jun 12 04:00:34 <ka6sox-away> SineOt, dunno
Jun 12 04:00:50 <SineOt> been ages since I installed it, but at least OSX there's a separate download
Jun 12 04:01:10 <ka6sox-away> read the docs on get.preware.org...I just work on the infra....laters
Jun 12 04:02:04 <CalvinCollie> SineOt: oh ok. i just cant find a quick install software pack on the webos-internals website
Jun 12 04:02:22 <CalvinCollie> i find noumerous hits on google the topic, but dunno which version to choose
Jun 12 04:02:24 <CalvinCollie> chose
Jun 12 04:02:35 <SineOt> quick install isn't a webos-internals project
Jun 12 04:02:39 <SineOt> :P
Jun 12 04:02:46 <CalvinCollie> ahhhh ok.
Jun 12 04:02:50 <SineOt> latest version is generally the best. I think it's 4.03 right now?
Jun 12 04:03:08 <CalvinCollie> i really dont know :) but i will look for it :)
Jun 12 04:06:29 <ka6sox-away> thats from canucksoftware.
Jun 12 04:07:56 <CalvinCollie> thanks alot, i think i can go on from there now, following the webos-internals Tutorial :)
Jun 12 04:08:53 <CalvinCollie> .oO now the only thing missing is a skype client :-)
Jun 12 04:10:34 <SineOt> Hee, yeah.
Jun 12 04:10:40 <SineOt> I'm sure it'll come at some point.
Jun 12 04:10:50 <SineOt> And not just the kind of iffy Verizon thing.
Jun 12 04:15:30 <CalvinCollie> the verizon thing is not REAL voip, right ?
Jun 12 04:15:38 <CalvinCollie> i heard it works via the mobile network
Jun 12 04:15:56 <CalvinCollie> not even an option here for us living in europe :)
Jun 12 04:16:06 <SineOt> no, it isn't
Jun 12 04:16:29 <SineOt> what it is is that it places a normal phone call to a back end owned by Verizon which then connects the call across Skype to your intended target
Jun 12 04:17:25 <CalvinCollie> uah, not very nice.
Jun 12 04:18:22 <CalvinCollie> i absolutely love the pre plus (got it for 3 days now) but thats the only thing i really miss, phoning and skyping while on the go. I really never liked using headset to skype on my homoecomputer
Jun 12 04:18:50 <SineOt> Yeah, the Pre+ is nice. The Pre2 is nicer, though! XD
Jun 12 04:19:04 <SineOt> I'm personally looking forward to the Pre3… Or whatever Sprint ends up with.
Jun 12 04:19:47 <CalvinCollie> Sine, i havent seen it live for now, its not officially sold in germany :-(
Jun 12 04:19:58 <CalvinCollie> i mean, the pre2
Jun 12 04:20:17 <CalvinCollie> plus: the pre+ is a steal now, running 160 euros NEW :)
Jun 12 07:56:12 <n19htmare> ded
Jun 12 08:38:36 <dwc-_> -
Jun 12 08:42:14 <dwc-_> err
Jun 12 18:17:58 * rrix sighs
Jun 12 18:18:12 <rrix> I'm getting the same FUSE error on 11.04 which I got last night on 9.04
Jun 12 18:21:28 <stbuehler> rrix: you could try to rerun autoconf/automake/libtoolize or starting from a clean dir
Jun 12 18:21:52 <stbuehler> or try autoreconf
Jun 12 18:24:13 <rrix> hmmmm
Jun 12 18:24:30 <rrix> I was running on a clean directory (I just reinstalled and started from scratch)
Jun 12 18:24:33 <rrix> so I will try autoreconf
Jun 12 18:24:37 <rrix> I really don't like autotools :)
Jun 12 18:26:49 <rrix> autoreconf'ing it appears to have worked?
Jun 12 18:26:56 <rrix> yes it looks so
Jun 12 18:27:53 <stbuehler> autotools are.. well, yeah. difficult :)
Jun 12 18:29:22 <stbuehler> although i think using the generated files from the developer will often work; the source matches his version, and the outcome works well. just don't use different autotool versions :D
Jun 12 18:31:06 <rrix> Oh come on
Jun 12 18:31:13 <rrix> make stage reconfigured FUSE and broke it again?
Jun 12 18:31:17 <rrix> fine
Jun 12 18:31:36 <rrix> let's play.
Jun 12 18:32:27 <rrix> Oh wait,I wasn't compiling from withing sb2
Jun 12 18:32:30 <rrix> drats.
Jun 12 18:51:28 <rrix> Okay, FUSE is just kinda borked, lol
Jun 12 18:51:39 <rrix> It's now trying to install in to /sbin even though I gave it a sane prefix
Jun 12 19:12:29 <rrix> Okay, I built FUSE by hand and installed it manually but can't get the makefile to do the same, so is there any way to skip past it?
Jun 12 19:14:52 <rrix> or not. Holy crap, this is really broken
Jun 12 19:29:04 <ka6sox-home> what part of FUSE is borken?
Jun 12 19:29:17 <ka6sox-home> I mean its used by at least 2 things.
Jun 12 19:30:08 * rrix gives up
Jun 12 19:30:44 <rrix> ka6sox-home: it jsut doesn't build. Complains about libtool version mismatches and honestly after three years of hacking linux applications I can't figure this out, and don't really want to any more, lol
Jun 12 19:31:36 <ka6sox-home> where is this? home or on a device?
Jun 12 19:32:10 <ka6sox-home> FUSE should be an sbin thing....
Jun 12 19:32:17 <ka6sox-home> you can make a mess.
Jun 12 19:32:31 <rrix> I'm just doing http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK
Jun 12 19:32:42 <rrix> and it fails at make stage while trying to build FUSE
Jun 12 19:34:58 <ka6sox-home> what OS are you using?
Jun 12 19:35:15 <rrix> a VM with ubuntu 11.04. Tried it in 9.04 the other day and it also failed in FUSE
Jun 12 19:35:35 <rrix> one of the entires in Verified installed clean list also says that it failed in fuse on 10.04
Jun 12 19:35:37 <ka6sox-home> 10.04 is known to work (I did it and I'm not so smart)
Jun 12 19:36:08 <ka6sox-home> I have nothing but 10.04
Jun 12 19:36:22 <rrix> I guess I will downlaod that iso when I get home then
Jun 12 19:36:27 <ka6sox-home> (23 of them)
Jun 12 19:36:40 * rrix sighs
Jun 12 19:36:51 <rrix> Why is this so hard, I mean besides the fact that it's nothing but a hack
Jun 12 19:36:58 <ka6sox-home> are you building 32bit or 64bit?
Jun 12 19:37:17 <rrix> ds32
Jun 12 19:37:21 <rrix> 32*
Jun 12 19:37:41 <ka6sox-home> okay, I gave up on 32bit about 2yrs ago.
Jun 12 19:38:06 <ka6sox-home> but thats just me...
Jun 12 19:38:10 * rrix just used what is listed as working on the wiki
Jun 12 19:38:20 <ka6sox-home> ya, understood.
Jun 12 19:38:31 <rrix> my native system is 64 bit, but I wanted kill myself after an hour of trying to make scratchbox2 compile on it
Jun 12 19:38:39 <rrix> and gave up and fired up kvm
Jun 12 19:40:57 <ka6sox-home> kk
Jun 12 19:41:12 <ka6sox-home> so an emulator in an emulator...fun.
Jun 12 19:41:32 <rrix> The cost of contributing, I suppose
Jun 12 19:41:38 <ka6sox-home> he he...yup
Jun 12 19:41:47 <ka6sox-home> I count the cost in lost sleep.
Jun 12 19:42:02 <ka6sox-home> I think I'm into months now :D
Jun 12 19:42:34 * rrix reinstalls and tries again, knowing he'll hit the same error, but logs would be nice this time
Jun 12 19:51:11 * rrix tries [[PDK_on_Linux]] from inside the VM when it reinstalls
Jun 12 21:56:48 <rrix> Ok, that worked
Jun 12 22:01:05 <ka6sox-home> what worked?
Jun 12 22:01:55 <rrix> [[PDK_on_Linux]]
Jun 12 22:02:10 <rrix> the Alternate Setup section with the script from the git repo
Jun 12 22:03:48 <ka6sox-home> kewl
Jun 12 22:03:52 <ka6sox-home> good job
Jun 12 22:07:20 <rrix> indeed
Jun 12 22:07:33 <rrix> I got a hello world compiled and running on my pre, so :)
Jun 12 22:08:54 <rrix> Now to get darron's qt stuff working
Jun 12 22:11:11 <ka6sox-home> gl
Jun 13 00:21:15 <RMind> quiet night in webos land?
Jun 13 00:22:05 <rwhitby> morning
Jun 13 00:31:13 <haeffb> morning, rwhitby
Jun 13 02:24:51 <oc80z> hmm
Jun 13 02:24:52 <oc80z> whats good
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