**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 15 02:59:57 2011
Jun 15 04:59:10 <dtzWill> halfhalo: node.js 0.4.8 is now in the widk ^.^
Jun 15 04:59:15 <dtzWill> for your node-using goodness
Jun 15 04:59:40 <halfhalo> weeee!
Jun 15 11:30:32 <beingBoston> NuttyBunny: Hey man, i got my Pre 2 successfully doctored. i used the 2.0.1 doctor from Palm's site and it worked fine
Jun 15 11:32:13 <beingBoston> i'm going to try the 2.1 doc today and see if that works now. Then i'll follow the webos Internals guide and try to build my Sprint pre 2 again
Jun 15 14:02:33 <dtzWill> always get so nervous when doctor'ing ...
Jun 15 14:02:54 <dtzWill> should do it more often, or something.
Jun 15 14:03:12 * dtzWill cross fingers while it's trying to do last boot
Jun 15 14:03:29 <dtzWill> and it failing 2x before finally flashing successfully probably gives me some reason to be concerned :)
Jun 15 14:51:06 <zandi> woohoo! i has a palm pixi
Jun 15 14:54:35 <zandi> fuck... it isn't turning on.
Jun 15 15:08:34 <Loudergood> up and down so fast.
Jun 15 15:10:06 <zandi> yeah
Jun 15 15:10:21 <zandi> is there maybe some trick i can try? i'm really hoping this thing isn't DOA
Jun 15 15:10:58 <Loudergood> change battery?
Jun 15 15:11:26 <zandi> tried that :/
Jun 15 15:11:44 <Loudergood> I've never owned a pixi myself...there was a power button issue, but that may have been pre only
Jun 15 15:13:36 <zandi> :(
Jun 15 15:14:10 <Loudergood> a fixable one
Jun 15 15:14:27 <zandi> fixable?
Jun 15 15:16:42 <Loudergood> does it do anything if you plug in the charger?
Jun 15 15:17:35 <zandi> no
Jun 15 15:18:29 <Loudergood> hmm..I'm out of ideas..
Jun 15 15:22:01 <zandi> fuck
Jun 15 15:22:11 <zandi> guess it's done for then. i can't think of anything else
Jun 15 15:22:21 <NuttyBunny> pixi? where? :)
Jun 15 15:22:27 <zandi> in my left hand
Jun 15 15:22:27 <NuttyBunny> 5 minutes..
Jun 15 15:23:00 <NuttyBunny> ok, open it, take the battery off
Jun 15 15:23:21 <NuttyBunny> plug the usb cable (powered by the wall charger if you can)
Jun 15 15:23:36 <zandi> yup
Jun 15 15:23:51 <NuttyBunny> does it show a battery icon with a "?" inside?
Jun 15 15:24:00 <zandi> nothing at all :(
Jun 15 15:24:21 <NuttyBunny> Well, unless you can try with another charger/cable, I think it won't work at all :(
Jun 15 15:24:53 <NuttyBunny> All the devices I have turn on when you plug in the cable
Jun 15 15:24:58 <zandi> the charger's fine, my pre just noticed it
Jun 15 15:25:13 <zandi> and since this pre charger and the pixi charger have the same output, that isn't an issue either
Jun 15 15:25:32 <NuttyBunny> Exactly, so, the problem is in the Pixi
Jun 15 15:25:40 <zandi> *sigh*
Jun 15 15:26:02 <NuttyBunny> But I don't think it will work, it should had started when you connected the usb cable, unless the port is broken
Jun 15 15:26:04 <zandi> oh well. i can still do stuff on the pre
Jun 15 15:26:21 <zandi> well, i put in a fully charged battery and it didn't do anything then either
Jun 15 15:28:03 <bajirut> huy
Jun 15 15:29:14 <NuttyBunny> zandi: When you put a battery you still have to press the power button, but with the cable you don't have to press anything, that's the reason I suggested it at first
Jun 15 15:30:11 <zandi> ah
Jun 15 15:30:21 <zandi> yeah, it looks like it's just borked, unfortunately
Jun 15 15:33:04 <NuttyBunny> bbl
Jun 15 19:16:26 <beingBoston> What's going on Party Ppl?
Jun 15 19:16:38 <zandi> say, has anyone in here worked with com.palm.systemservice?
Jun 15 19:16:51 <zandi> beingBoston: not much, just tryin' to figure somethin' out in webos
Jun 15 19:16:59 <beingBoston> NuttyBunny: how are you doing?
Jun 15 19:17:05 <beingBoston> zandi: you and me both...
Jun 15 19:17:28 <NuttyBunny> beingBoston, nice, having some issues with a 3.x app ;)
Jun 15 19:18:22 <beingBoston> NuttyBunny: so i got my Pre 2 GSM working again with the help of the 2.0.1 dr
Jun 15 19:18:43 <beingBoston> NuttyBunny: i went through all the steps in the wiki (including backing up my tokens, again)
Jun 15 19:18:47 <NuttyBunny> beingBoston: Yeah, I read that :D
Jun 15 19:19:15 <beingBoston> NuttyBunny:  i built the CDMA Pre 2, run the script, and i get the CPU error again... :-(
Jun 15 19:19:53 <beingBoston> so close, yet so far.
Jun 15 19:20:10 <zandi> at the moment i'm trying to figure out how systemservice stores the carrier value, since i want to change that
Jun 15 19:20:13 <NuttyBunny> beingBoston: I'm sooo sure that it's a problem with the source doctor, which script are you using?
Jun 15 19:20:42 <NuttyBunny> zandi: Impostah can help with thar
Jun 15 19:20:43 <NuttyBunny> that
Jun 15 19:21:02 <beingBoston> NuttyBunny: meta-sprint-franken-unlocked-pre2-2.1.0
Jun 15 19:21:28 <zandi> Impostah?
Jun 15 19:21:41 <beingBoston> zandi: impostah could work with my CPU error?
Jun 15 19:22:18 <zandi> not sure, i was responding to NuttyBunny. i don't even know what Impostah is, and the wiki's not too helpful
Jun 15 19:22:50 <RagingMind> zandi, it's an app in preware that lets you play with lots of values inside the phone
Jun 15 19:24:14 <zandi> oooh, neat
Jun 15 19:24:24 <beingBoston> NuttyBunny: could i edit the script and try to create the custom dr with 2.0.1?
Jun 15 19:24:35 <zandi> would be fun to mess with to test things, but i've ultimately got to modify the webos doctor
Jun 15 19:25:06 <NuttyBunny> beingBoston: Of course, you can do anything with meta doctor, the scripts are basically instructions for creating custom doctors
Jun 15 19:25:24 <NuttyBunny> zandi: Impostah is great for testing stuff in 2.x :D
Jun 15 19:25:36 <zandi> i'm stuck with 1.4.5 :/
Jun 15 19:26:51 <NuttyBunny> ah, no, Impostah is only for 2.x
Jun 15 19:28:07 <zandi>  /cry
Jun 15 19:28:24 <beingBoston> warrenties are made to be voided!
Jun 15 19:28:36 <zandi> lol. i wish
Jun 15 19:28:47 <beingBoston> unless you are running a Pre-, 2.x isn't that great on it
Jun 15 19:30:05 <zandi> pre- as in not a pre+?
Jun 15 19:30:11 <beingBoston> yes
Jun 15 19:30:34 <zandi> yeah, pretty sure that's what i have
Jun 15 19:30:44 <beingBoston> NuttyBunny: i've completely cleared my downloads folder and will download all the dr's again
Jun 15 19:31:27 <beingBoston> zandi: Sprint is not a friend these days... if you feel adventurous, you can build a Sprint Pre 2 running webOS 2.1
Jun 15 19:31:35 <beingBoston> but you risk breaking both phones
Jun 15 19:32:19 <zandi> yeah, i don't think i'd ever do that
Jun 15 19:32:27 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, at one point I had Impostah on 1.4.5
Jun 15 19:32:33 <RagingMind> but it was feature-limited
Jun 15 19:32:59 <RagingMind> I'm pretty sure I'm thinking of Impostah
Jun 15 19:39:22 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: Yep, you can only do a couple of things in 1.4.5 :(
Jun 15 19:40:36 <beingBoston> NuttyBunny: son of a Treo... deleted all doc, ran script, and now doc is at 25%
Jun 15 19:40:51 <beingBoston> i could punch myself
Jun 15 19:41:30 <NuttyBunny> really??? after all this time it was a borked doctor??? damn!
Jun 15 19:41:52 <beingBoston> maybe
Jun 15 19:42:22 <beingBoston> but i'm moving forward, and I hava copy of the PRL so hopefully that'll keep on trucking too
Jun 15 19:42:24 <NuttyBunny> Didn't you by any chance downloaded one of the doctors and rename it? because I'm pretty sure you were using a Pre Doctor on a Pre 2
Jun 15 19:43:02 <beingBoston> I don't believe so, but i've done so much that god only knows
Jun 15 19:56:25 <beingBoston> on the plus side, i've gotten damn good at taking apart and rebuilding a Palm Pre
Jun 15 20:00:00 <beingBoston> NuttyBunny: Restoring my Palm Profile! How sweet it is!
Jun 15 20:00:23 <beingBoston> NuttyBunny: i think i'll celebrate with a beer
Jun 15 20:00:36 <NuttyBunny> Excellent!!! :D
Jun 15 20:04:44 <zandi> send me one!
Jun 15 20:05:31 <beingBoston> zandi: In the spirit of Open Source I give you freebeer.org
Jun 15 20:05:47 <beingBoston> Free Beer! (As in speech)
Jun 15 20:05:54 <beingBoston> open source suds
Jun 15 20:12:27 <Popple3> quick question about patches. A while back my Pre 2 decided to wipe itself, leaving nothing but patches. Unfortunately nothing recognises that these patches have been installed. I left it anyway, coz I was happy with them, but now I want to get rid of some. The emergency recovery app doesn't work, so am I stuck in a situation where I'm just going to have to doctor?
Jun 15 20:13:58 <beingBoston> Popple3: you can run save restore to backup your programs and settings if they are of concern to you and then doctor. that would restore the Vanilla webos
Jun 15 20:15:32 <NuttyBunny> Popple3: Or you can "install" the patches again, and Preware will just say something like "funny, this appears to be already installed", and they'll appear installed once again
Jun 15 20:15:56 <Popple3> NuttyBunny: oh, awesome, I didn't want to chance it, that shall do great :D
Jun 15 20:20:25 <Popple3> NuttyBunny: Nope that didn't work :( It just fails to install, but doesn't mark the patch as installed
Jun 15 20:22:25 <Popple3> screw it, save/restore and doctor
Jun 15 20:29:30 <NuttyBunny> Popple3: I found somewhere the list of the patches that were installed on the Pixi, and I tried to install them and uninstall, one by one, and eventually I managed to uninstall everything from it :)   It just takes patience.  If you don't have time, just doctor it :D
Jun 15 20:30:18 <Popple3> NuttyBunny: But I never get an option in uninstall them
Jun 15 20:31:31 <Popple3> bleh, I'll just doctor
Jun 15 20:31:33 <Popple3> lol
Jun 15 20:31:46 <Popple3> it's already sitting on my desktop from the last time :P
Jun 15 20:39:24 <dtzWill> bah phone is borked :(
Jun 15 20:41:09 <zandi> dtzWill: find solace in the fact you're not the only one to discover their phone is borked today :/
Jun 15 20:52:01 <NuttyBunny> zandi: it's only a Pixi :P
Jun 15 20:52:24 <zandi> lol
Jun 15 21:11:30 <zandi> just curious, but am I the only one to poke around in /usr/lib/luna/CarrierNetworkSettings.db3 ?
Jun 15 21:17:05 <dtzWill> zandi: no solace, but i do feel for you :(
Jun 15 21:17:21 <dtzWill> mine just doesn't want to flash nicely, and i'm done fighting with it.
Jun 15 21:17:51 <dtzWill> was mostly the guts of my original pre- that were transplanted a few times, finally running 2.1 on sprint--but never quite properly w.r.t PRL and the like
Jun 15 21:18:06 <dtzWill> db's were constantly being corrupted, just badness everywhere
Jun 15 21:18:13 <dtzWill> pre3 can't come soon enough ^.^
Jun 15 21:18:16 <dtzWill> .....to sprint :(
Jun 15 21:19:11 <summatusmentis> I saw a rumor suggesting it was
Jun 15 21:19:31 <summatusmentis> but I don't remember where, and when I went to look for it a couple days ago, I could find it
Jun 15 21:22:32 <summatusmentis> it might've been http://www.precentral.net/sprint-get-pre-3-after-all-rumor-and-speculation?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Precentralnet+%28PreCentral.net%29
Jun 15 21:22:41 <summatusmentis> but I think it was more recent, and more "confirmed"
Jun 15 21:24:00 <dtzWill> summatusmentis: here's hoping :/
Jun 15 21:24:18 <summatusmentis> I'm right there with you
Jun 16 00:49:36 <PuffTheMagic> summatusmentis, give it up, no pre3 for sprint
Jun 16 00:50:26 <summatusmentis> PuffTheMagic: based on what?
Jun 16 00:50:57 <summatusmentis> that statement is not any more grounded in anything than the rumors that pre3 is coming to sprint, you know?
Jun 16 00:51:36 <PuffTheMagic> sure it is
Jun 16 00:51:51 <summatusmentis> care to elaborate?
Jun 16 00:52:11 <Lumiere> he's got a + by his name
Jun 16 00:52:36 <summatusmentis> me too :)
Jun 16 00:53:05 <oil> lol
Jun 16 00:53:23 <summatusmentis> I've seen nothing solid that indicates one way or the other whether the pre3 is coming to sprint
Jun 16 00:53:38 <PuffTheMagic> well first the pre3 for sprint "rumors" are more like questions if you read any of the posts, they are not based on anything more than hope, sprint didnt get the pre2, and we know they got raped in the ass from having to service the pre's
Jun 16 00:53:44 <PuffTheMagic> they will never get another sprint slider
Jun 16 00:53:57 <PuffTheMagic> the lack of info about them getting a pre3 speaks volums
Jun 16 00:54:02 <PuffTheMagic> volumes
Jun 16 00:54:20 <summatusmentis> there's always lack of info about phones coming out until they come out
Jun 16 00:54:21 <singmajesty> We don't have any information about any other carriers getting a Pre 3, do we?
Jun 16 00:54:25 <summatusmentis> no
Jun 16 00:54:40 <PuffTheMagic> non US there is evidence
Jun 16 00:55:03 <singmajesty> It looks like Sprint is aiming to go completely in with Android
Jun 16 00:55:08 <summatusmentis> yes, I have seen those headlines, haven't read it
Jun 16 00:55:24 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: VZW has a pretty proven track record of doing the same thing though
Jun 16 00:55:25 <singmajesty> They also make profit when you upgrade to a new phone, and keep your contract. webOS users are known to be loyal
Jun 16 00:55:33 <PuffTheMagic> singmajesty, i'd be willing to bet sprint is waiting for a webos slab
Jun 16 00:55:51 <PuffTheMagic> something with no slider
Jun 16 00:55:53 <oil> my 2 years are up with sprint
Jun 16 00:55:58 <oil> ill probably go where the pre3 does
Jun 16 00:56:07 <PuffTheMagic> oil, same here, but i wont be leaving sprint
Jun 16 00:56:09 <singmajesty> I think that Verizon and AT&T can afford to offer a wider selection of phones, since they both charge twice what Sprint does
Jun 16 00:56:17 <PuffTheMagic> not paying out the ass on vzw or att
Jun 16 00:56:35 <singmajesty> I'm not sure what will happen with Sprint, but whatever happens, I think it is up to them, not up to Palm or HP
Jun 16 00:56:47 <singmajesty> 1.) Does said carrier want said device?
Jun 16 00:56:55 <summatusmentis> my 2 years are up also, but I'm on an awesome plan on Sprint
Jun 16 00:56:59 <singmajesty> 2.) Does another carrier want an exclusive more badly than said carrier?
Jun 16 00:57:04 <oil> and hp has more money/influence then palm did
Jun 16 00:57:18 <PuffTheMagic> singmajesty, im not sure you are going with these points
Jun 16 00:57:25 <PuffTheMagic> of course its up to the carrier
Jun 16 00:57:42 <summatusmentis> PuffTheMagic: I can't find the article I'm thinking of, but they cited what they called a reliable source for a 4G Pre3 on sprint
Jun 16 00:57:52 <summatusmentis> and it was one of the major webos news sites
Jun 16 00:58:06 <PuffTheMagic> 4G Pre3 lol
Jun 16 00:58:07 <PuffTheMagic> no
Jun 16 00:58:45 <summatusmentis> I'm not saying it's happening, I'm just repeating what I read
Jun 16 00:58:49 <PuffTheMagic> maybe fake 4g like the veer
Jun 16 00:58:57 <summatusmentis> well, it's all fake 4g
Jun 16 00:59:35 <singmajesty> PuffTheMagic: I have heard a lot of people who talk about "Palm abandoning Sprint" or getting angry at Palm when it really is up to the carrier
Jun 16 00:59:59 <singmajesty> PuffTheMagic: I know it is a "no-brainer" but a lot of people don't think of things that way
Jun 16 01:00:09 <PuffTheMagic> singmajesty, the talk about "palm abandoning sprint" had to do with palm employees and personal phones
Jun 16 01:00:22 <PuffTheMagic> and not being able to use new testing devices cause sprint didnt want them
Jun 16 01:00:27 <PuffTheMagic> so they moved to other carriers
Jun 16 01:00:35 <PuffTheMagic> palm didnt "abandon sprint"
Jun 16 01:00:53 <PuffTheMagic> the employees just moved to where they could currently use their new phones
Jun 16 01:00:54 <singmajesty> Yeah, much the opposite, I suppose
Jun 16 01:01:25 <singmajesty> I changed to T-Mobile, then AT&T because I wanted to use a Pre 2 and a Veer
Jun 16 01:01:55 <singmajesty> Luckily I have a corporate wireless plan -- makes AT&T more appealing
Jun 16 01:01:55 <PuffTheMagic> im not changing carriers when its not even clear webos will be alive in a year or 2
Jun 16 01:02:25 <summatusmentis> I don't believe webos is going away
Jun 16 01:02:39 <singmajesty> I really like the Veer. The TouchPad is just around the corner, then a 3G TouchPad and Pre 3 will come later
Jun 16 01:02:52 <singmajesty> They have more devices lined up afterwards
Jun 16 01:02:53 <summatusmentis> I would maybe believe that it'll be relegated to #3 or #4, in enterprise, or whatever
Jun 16 01:03:05 <PuffTheMagic> summatusmentis, sure its not going away, it will just be on printers
Jun 16 01:03:21 <summatusmentis> have you been watching the stuff about webos in enterprise?
Jun 16 01:03:24 <singmajesty> enyo.Toaster is here to stay
Jun 16 01:03:35 <summatusmentis> HP seems to be putting their eggs in one basket, so to speak
Jun 16 01:03:37 <PuffTheMagic> summatusmentis, iphone has citrix too
Jun 16 01:04:14 <summatusmentis> citrix is not an HP product
Jun 16 01:04:34 <PuffTheMagic> i know... but that is an enterprise selling point
Jun 16 01:04:42 <PuffTheMagic> which u just brought up
Jun 16 01:05:01 <singmajesty> Citrix, Skype, Kindle
Jun 16 01:05:03 <summatusmentis> it's one of them, yes, but there's been a lot of talk about the push they're making in enterprise
Jun 16 01:05:24 <PuffTheMagic> talk means nothing
Jun 16 01:05:26 <singmajesty> VPN and good corporate mail support
Jun 16 01:05:29 <summatusmentis> there was an article about HP partnering with some teleconferencing company
Jun 16 01:05:54 <summatusmentis> by talk, I mean articles reporting on moves HP is making
Jun 16 01:05:58 <summatusmentis> not wild conjecture
Jun 16 01:06:07 <singmajesty> If I had to get some work done and wanted a tablet, I would rather use webOS over another platform. Multi-tasking alone is huge
Jun 16 01:06:11 <PuffTheMagic> its still meaningless
Jun 16 01:06:25 <singmajesty> I think it will be interesting to see if the TouchPad takes off. It could either way
Jun 16 01:06:25 <PuffTheMagic> hardware that runs webos sucks
Jun 16 01:06:38 <PuffTheMagic> i dont see them gaining much market share
Jun 16 01:06:53 <singmajesty> HP is pushing to sell it everywhere you can find a laptop or printer, so Staples, Costco, WalMart, etc.
Jun 16 01:06:59 <Tibfib> someone's not very positive..
Jun 16 01:07:11 <singmajesty> It has better hardware than the iPAd
Jun 16 01:07:14 <singmajesty> iPad
Jun 16 01:07:26 <summatusmentis> meaningless? by that argument, nothing is a valid stance to take until the devices come
Jun 16 01:07:32 <singmajesty> 1.2 Ghz processor, 1GB RAM
Jun 16 01:07:36 <PuffTheMagic> singmajesty, no it doesnt, its not better in 1 category
Jun 16 01:07:49 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: why are you still here?
Jun 16 01:07:56 <Tibfib> what keeps you with webOS?
Jun 16 01:07:57 <summatusmentis> it's better than the iPad1, iPad2 caught up
Jun 16 01:08:03 <PuffTheMagic> Tibfib, i love webos
Jun 16 01:08:09 <singmajesty> iPad 2 only has 512 MB of memory
Jun 16 01:08:17 <singmajesty> and 1 Ghz processor, I think
Jun 16 01:08:25 <PuffTheMagic> i can love webos but have no faith in its staying power
Jun 16 01:08:42 <singmajesty> Yes, that is definitely possible :)
Jun 16 01:10:06 <PuffTheMagic> i guess you are right about the specs
Jun 16 01:10:12 <PuffTheMagic> i though the ipad had more mem
Jun 16 01:10:34 <PuffTheMagic> but i dont think u can compare cpu speeds between an A5 and snapdragon
Jun 16 01:11:17 <Tibfib> sure. but hte touchpad has been pretty speedy in most of hte vids
Jun 16 01:11:23 <Tibfib> dang, hte twice?
Jun 16 01:11:34 <halfhalo> hte is the new the
Jun 16 01:11:51 <PuffTheMagic> Tibfib, a video in isolation doesnt say much
Jun 16 01:11:59 <roxfan> you mean the new teh
Jun 16 01:12:21 <summatusmentis> PuffTheMagic: it's nowhere near isolation, there's been a fair amount of videos
Jun 16 01:12:23 <PuffTheMagic> Tibfib, dont get me wrongi think webos is the best mobile os, but idk how hp is gonna steal devs and users away from the android machine
Jun 16 01:12:26 <Tibfib> I disagree. it shows quite a bit
Jun 16 01:12:35 <PuffTheMagic> summatusmentis, not side by side with an ipad running the same app
Jun 16 01:12:40 <PuffTheMagic> thats what i mean by isolation
Jun 16 01:12:46 <summatusmentis> because the apps would not be the same?
Jun 16 01:12:51 <summatusmentis> oh, I see
Jun 16 01:12:52 <Tibfib> yeah ?
Jun 16 01:13:15 <singmajesty> It's pretty fast
Jun 16 01:13:27 <singmajesty> Oh, yeah. That's hard to test
Jun 16 01:13:47 <singmajesty> iPad developers can use 40 MB of memory. 128 MB or so for iPad 2, I think
Jun 16 01:14:03 <singmajesty> I successfully used 682 MB of memory in one TouchPad app
Jun 16 01:14:16 <singmajesty> 400 MB + four other games before running out of memory
Jun 16 01:14:30 <PuffTheMagic> congrats?
Jun 16 01:14:50 <singmajesty> In the end, it's about the experience and not just specs, though, but that was fun from a development perspective
Jun 16 01:14:57 <Tibfib> singmajesty: heh, couldn't that get out of hand if devs use that much?
Jun 16 01:15:20 <PuffTheMagic> sure would
Jun 16 01:16:09 <halfhalo> heh... an app using 1023MB...
Jun 16 01:16:29 * Tibfib waits for halfhalo to make said app
Jun 16 01:16:52 <singmajesty> Well, you know the "too many cards" error?
Jun 16 01:17:01 <halfhalo> "what does your app do?" "uses all your ram" "oh, so its a vista clone?"
Jun 16 01:17:03 <singmajesty> That happens when an app says it requires X amount of memory, but that isn't available
Jun 16 01:17:26 <singmajesty> So the OS tries to preemptively deal with memory management most of the time
Jun 16 01:17:38 <Loudergood> heh, I've never actually seen that error...but then I never owned anything with less ram than a pre plus
Jun 16 01:17:49 <Tibfib> never??
Jun 16 01:17:51 <singmajesty> I'm not saying that devs SHOULD use that much memory in their apps, but imagine that many games are designed for the iPad... 40 MB to 128 MB
Jun 16 01:18:03 <PuffTheMagic> i never see that error either on my pixi
Jun 16 01:18:14 <singmajesty> That means you might be able to run 17 games before the OS will stop assigning memory
Jun 16 01:18:22 <PuffTheMagic> then again, i dont keep 5 games running at once
Jun 16 01:18:25 * Tibfib used to see it all the time on pre-
Jun 16 01:18:32 <singmajesty> Yeah, I have only seen it once on a Pre Plus, I think
Jun 16 01:18:44 <PuffTheMagic> why would anyone keep 5 games open, thats retarded
Jun 16 01:18:51 * halfhalo hasn't seen it since his plus days
Jun 16 01:19:47 <singmajesty> No, that isn't the point
Jun 16 01:20:00 <singmajesty> Maybe you have a Flash video, plus your email, plus your calendar, plus four websites open...
Jun 16 01:20:11 <singmajesty> You know, a common scenario on a desktop, maybe?
Jun 16 01:20:27 <halfhalo> what is this desktop you speak of
Jun 16 01:20:30 <singmajesty> You can relax and use it like a computer
Jun 16 01:20:32 <singmajesty> haha
Jun 16 01:20:40 <singmajesty> *top
Jun 16 01:20:52 <Loudergood> throw in spaz, facebook, and angry birds and that's pretty much how I use my pre2..
Jun 16 01:20:54 <singmajesty> Like you would do on your something-top
Jun 16 01:21:11 <singmajesty> Imagine if your laptop only let you run one app at a time?
Jun 16 01:21:14 <Tibfib> woot spaz
Jun 16 01:21:17 <singmajesty> That sounds retarded to me ;)
Jun 16 01:21:24 <summatusmentis> spaz is slow :(
Jun 16 01:21:32 <Tibfib> enyo yo
Jun 16 01:21:33 <halfhalo> so are the devs
Jun 16 01:21:35 <halfhalo> BAZING
Jun 16 01:21:38 <Tibfib> hahaah
Jun 16 01:21:48 * halfhalo kids, he kids
Jun 16 01:21:49 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: I mean, fair enough
Jun 16 01:22:43 <PuffTheMagic> most webos apps start so fast i dont see the point in keeping them open all the time
Jun 16 01:23:01 <summatusmentis> not on my pre- :(
Jun 16 01:23:06 <PuffTheMagic> on only thing that needs to stay open all the time is wIRC
Jun 16 01:23:12 <PuffTheMagic> ;)
Jun 16 01:23:17 <Loudergood> that's usually during one of my ADD fits
Jun 16 01:23:18 <singmajesty> Its when you're looking at a website, then you get a notification and you check your email, then you start writing a response while looking up a couple references in your calendar and another website or two ...
Jun 16 01:23:29 <singmajesty> wIRC for a TouchPad would be cool :)
Jun 16 01:23:32 <singmajesty> I would use that
Jun 16 01:23:43 <Loudergood> se...when I'm doing that is when I love my phone the most
Jun 16 01:23:52 <summatusmentis> Loudergood: I agree
Jun 16 01:24:11 <summatusmentis> it's a nice feeling to be able to be productive, use my phone the way I want to
Jun 16 01:24:15 <Tibfib> yessss wIRC
Jun 16 01:24:16 <Loudergood> and my 2 month long inability to spell a complete sentence continues
Jun 16 01:24:17 <PuffTheMagic> singmajesty, if hp sent me a tp i would start working on it
Jun 16 01:24:30 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: get in line
Jun 16 01:24:52 <PuffTheMagic> i have better things to do with my time than stand in line
Jun 16 01:25:00 <PuffTheMagic> I do want to get R working on the touchpad though
Jun 16 01:25:12 <PuffTheMagic> doing stats and graphing would be nice on that
Jun 16 01:25:13 <halfhalo> R?
Jun 16 01:25:23 <PuffTheMagic> an opensource stats program
Jun 16 01:25:23 <summatusmentis> the stats language
Jun 16 01:25:24 <PuffTheMagic> its baller
Jun 16 01:26:46 <summatusmentis> I never really learned it
Jun 16 01:27:42 <PuffTheMagic> its not hard, and i wont pay for SPSS
Jun 16 01:29:08 <singmajesty> I think that a TouchPad would be fun with a TouchStone and a bluetooth keyboard
Jun 16 01:29:29 <singmajesty> My only problem is that I like programming too much to not be able to do development
Jun 16 01:29:29 <PuffTheMagic> bt keyboard is lame
Jun 16 01:29:34 <PuffTheMagic> may as well get a laptop
Jun 16 01:29:52 <singmajesty> It would be neat to have a JS editor to edit an Enyo app on the device, or...? I don't know
Jun 16 01:30:33 <singmajesty> My wife loves Kindle, Sparkles, web browsing, using it for recipes
Jun 16 01:30:59 <singmajesty> I like being able to watch a video or check my email, but I do use my laptop more for work
Jun 16 01:31:06 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: by JS editor, do you mean an IDE?
Jun 16 01:32:01 <singmajesty> Yeah
Jun 16 01:32:19 <halfhalo> cloud9ide
Jun 16 01:32:38 <singmajesty> Dave Balmer told me to check that out
Jun 16 01:33:04 <halfhalo> theres your first problem
Jun 16 01:35:38 * Tibfib is sooo happy sparkle is going to available for tp
Jun 16 01:43:48 <singmajesty> Has Rod Whitby been around today?
Jun 16 01:44:26 <Loudergood> he should be up soon
Jun 16 01:44:46 <Loudergood> he usually is anyway.
Jun 16 01:45:51 <singmajesty> We have the Google Location Services issue flagged as an A candidate for an upcoming webOS 3.x build
Jun 16 01:46:10 <singmajesty> In time for an Australian/New Zealand release of the TouchPad, I believe
Jun 16 01:46:51 <singmajesty> I also filed the webOS 2.x Pre/Pre Plus app catalog submission bug, which I think we'll be able to take care of
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