**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 17 02:59:56 2011 Jun 17 03:01:05 Any changes or updates to the WebOS 2 install for legacy devices? Jun 17 03:01:37 its been done? Jun 17 03:03:14 Installed WebOS 2 on my Palm Pre Plus a few months ago and have had memory leak issues, some things freezing or not even work (such as any of the command prompt applications), no IPv6 support added or anything, difficulties with mobile hotspot; and have been wondering if there's been any updates or anything to fix those issues Jun 17 03:05:06 the freezing can be taken care of (or at least mitigated a bit) by increasing the compcache Jun 17 03:05:45 Terminus is the only terminal app I've been able to get working, and you have to modify a file to get it working Jun 17 03:06:00 ahh, didn't of the latter detail Jun 17 03:06:24 I've been using FreeTether instead of mobile hotspot, but I'm on sprint Jun 17 03:06:36 I don't know anything about IPv6 Jun 17 03:06:58 xterm works too Jun 17 03:07:25 is xterm still in the repos? I redoctored, and couldn't find it again Jun 17 03:07:38 Verizon is forcing any 4G LTE device to have IPv6 support; WebOS is the ONLY modern OS that doesn't have IPv6 support (even though the Linux kernel does, but they took it out in their copy of Linux) Jun 17 03:07:56 So I don't know how well that's going to play out for Palm/HP Jun 17 03:07:57 WebOS is also not a 4G LTE device Jun 17 03:08:18 IPv6 is at the software level Jun 17 03:08:28 I expect if/when WebOS gets on a 4G LTE device, it'll support IPv6 Jun 17 03:08:28 Not hardware Jun 17 03:08:30 I know that Jun 17 03:09:08 I don't know if UberKernel supports IPv6, but it's possible you could build your own kernel and get the support if you need it Jun 17 03:11:23 Supposedly if you add IPv6 support to the kernel, Luna freaks out and pretty much makes it unbootable. Jun 17 03:11:26 or something similar Jun 17 03:14:25 I don't hate WebOS or anything, I just hate HP/Palm's decision making Jun 17 03:14:48 Starting with 'no WebOS 2 on legacy devices' Jun 17 03:18:05 Takyoji[laptop]: a lot of people are/were angry about that, but they made a technical decision, and did what they felt they needed to do Jun 17 03:18:31 I would believe that there's something specific in current versions of webOS that break w/ IPv6 Jun 17 03:18:32 Technical in what standpoint though? Jun 17 03:18:36 doesn't mean it won't be there in the future Jun 17 03:18:56 It can be, yes Jun 17 03:19:11 Also, does this mean to add the line? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminus Jun 17 03:19:17 Because it's already there and matches Jun 17 03:19:28 and the file specified in the entry exists Jun 17 03:20:11 well, for instance, the pre- didn't have a big enough parition for the rootfs, so they'd have to resize the rootfs in order to offer OTA stuff. I think there were also drastic changes in the profile format in the back-end Jun 17 03:20:16 no, I think that's old Jun 17 03:20:38 I mean, at least it should be for the Pre Plus Jun 17 03:20:50 are there two lines with us.ryanhope.terminus ? Jun 17 03:21:08 I'm assuming that's part of the reason for the Pre Plus in the first place; was more/better hardware. Jun 17 03:21:19 well, somewhat Jun 17 03:21:21 ahh, I see Jun 17 03:21:24 arguably still not enough for 2.1 Jun 17 03:21:47 Just for Flash, or? Jun 17 03:23:17 no, I think it has to do with the resources required for the OS itself Jun 17 03:23:41 I'm not 100% sure, just bits and pieces I've picked up Jun 17 03:25:35 Takyoji[laptop]: webOS 2.1.0 *is* released for the Pre Plus, by O2. Jun 17 03:25:38 Because I think one of the points was regarding which version of the ARM architecture the Palm Pre Plus has, whereas Flash requires the next version Jun 17 03:25:51 if you can't get it on your particular Pre Plus, you should blame your carrier. Jun 17 03:25:59 also, that Jun 17 03:26:07 sorry rwhitby Jun 17 03:26:12 Any reason why all carriers through the US are asses? Jun 17 03:26:32 because the US citizens encouraged them to be? Jun 17 03:26:32 we like our asses here Jun 17 03:27:00 don't want your carrier to be an ass? buy an unlocked GSM phone and vote with your feet. Jun 17 03:27:36 not an option for some of us :-/ Jun 17 03:27:58 it's a choice you make Jun 17 03:28:13 lol, like I have gsm carrier choices Jun 17 03:28:22 you have one, right? Jun 17 03:28:24 the market here is conveniently segmented Jun 17 03:28:35 one is not a choice Jun 17 03:28:38 and that one has prepaid plans Jun 17 03:28:41 also, it is kind of foolish that they now deny Preware from checking HP/Palm's official repositories now Jun 17 03:28:41 rwhitby: at least in the areas where I am, there are gsm carriers, unless I want to use my phone as a phone Jun 17 03:28:52 granted I'm on cdma prepaid right now Jun 17 03:28:57 rwhitby, looks like your tweets for a little buzz Jun 17 03:29:13 saw a few retweets of the one about HP handing over some pre-release devices Jun 17 03:29:21 Takyoji[laptop]: the deny all third party access to feeds, not just Preware. Jun 17 03:33:18 Now that I have a working terminal, I'll be curious to see what application is causing the memory leak Jun 17 03:33:51 it will be LunaSysMgr Jun 17 03:34:27 as I figured Jun 17 03:36:49 466MB of RAM used Jun 17 03:36:53 in total Jun 17 03:37:32 Takyoji[laptop]: one possible workaround if luna really doesn't like ipv6 is to have ipv6 be a module and modprobe it after luna starts Jun 17 03:37:47 depending on what the issues is, that may work around it Jun 17 03:37:57 ahh,.true Jun 17 03:38:08 rwhitby: wait, Luna leaks memory? Jun 17 03:38:34 * Loudergood is guessing that leaky mojo apps show up under lluna Jun 17 03:38:40 luna Jun 17 03:38:50 yeah, that's what I'd been assuming Jun 17 03:39:40 LunaSysMgr had 21% of RAM, WebAppNgr had 18%, LunaDownloadMgr had 13%, audiod had 10% Jun 17 03:43:40 and after reboot, Luna has 9%, WebAppMgr has 15%, and everything else is under 2.7% Jun 17 03:59:05 * Takyoji[laptop] assumes there's a developer of WebOS here Jun 17 03:59:43 i was told to check #webos for that earlier Jun 17 03:59:45 Erm whoops, read the post date wrong on a forum post Jun 17 03:59:48 but there's smart people in here too Jun 17 04:02:59 there are a few palm/HP employees around Jun 17 04:03:05 they generally don't announce themselves Jun 17 04:06:30 they just sort of bounce in and out Jun 17 04:06:55 especially since palm/HP started absorbing people FROM here Jun 17 04:08:06 I right Jun 17 04:08:13 -I Jun 17 04:33:28 sugardave is here Jun 17 04:33:40 lies Jun 17 04:41:35 I am here, but I mostly lurk in this channel Jun 17 04:43:28 sugardave: pm? Jun 17 04:44:31 or anyone else who wants/is willing to help me with something? Jun 17 04:47:17 what is it? Jun 17 04:47:52 [redacted] Jun 17 04:47:59 oh, I forgot what channel we're in Jun 17 04:49:08 heh Jun 17 04:53:14 sugardave doesn't count as an employee. He won't un-NDA enyo. Jun 17 04:53:36 heh Jun 17 04:53:40 NDAs. fun stuff :/ Jun 17 04:54:55 Tibfib: by that argument, none of them are emplyees :) Jun 17 04:55:26 good point. But we specifically gave sugardave that job Jun 17 04:55:56 I mean he's been there like 3 weeks. He should have had the touchpad out 2 weeks Jun 17 04:55:58 slackers. Jun 17 04:56:02 ago* Jun 17 04:57:13 srsly Jun 17 04:59:57 I got you guys the release date...they didn't want to tell anyone Jun 17 05:00:04 but I said "that's insane" Jun 17 05:00:10 and now we have it Jun 17 05:05:05 hey, anyone around who can help me out with installing preware on my Palm Pre? I have been trying to install it via WebOS Quick Install and it will not show on my device Jun 17 07:42:52 rwhitby: In the US we only have two nationwide GSM carriers, AT&T and T-Mobile, and it looks as if the former is about to buy the latter. There is not voting with your feet here :) Jun 17 07:46:22 rrix: sound like you guys haven't elected the right people to create a free market digital economy ... Jun 17 07:47:01 indeed. There's not enough public interest to make that a pressing issue currently ;( Jun 17 07:47:47 it also doesn't help that that baby bell owns 50% of the communication infrastructure :) Jun 17 07:48:40 * rrix tries to decide between sleeping and hacking Jun 17 07:55:23 rrix, I gave up sleep Jun 17 07:55:38 yeah, I should work on that Jun 17 07:55:49 * rrix just got home from a RUSH concert, and is kinda hopped up on awesome right now Jun 17 07:57:07 rrix, now thats a name I haven't hear in 20yrs Jun 17 07:57:16 hah Jun 17 07:57:21 They're still alive, too, mostly Jun 17 07:57:32 Neal Peart looks like he's 900 years old though Jun 17 07:58:37 the last CSNY I saw they all looked really old... Jun 17 07:59:58 Universal City either Monday or Wednesday...have to see if any of my clients have tickets. Jun 17 08:01:07 last night was Wierd Al :D Jun 17 08:04:25 hehe Jun 17 08:07:07 there is a Plaque..outside the studios of KCPR on the door of the bathroom where "My Bologna" was taped. Jun 17 12:52:18 My friend gave me his Palm Pre (P100UEU) upgraded to webOS 2.1, but it won't let me create a Palm Profile. Any ideas? Jun 17 12:54:48 doctor it Jun 17 12:55:40 webOS Doctor? Jun 17 12:58:10 or a general practitioner Jun 17 12:58:23 but for the phone, yes, WebOS Doctor Jun 17 13:01:01 That will roll it back to 1.4, correct? Jun 17 13:17:25 not if you follow the 2.1 meta-doctor instructions Jun 17 13:49:27 can anyone offer some insight as to why i may be getting an activation error during the first use app? Jun 17 13:50:11 do you have a 3G/EV connection? Jun 17 13:50:53 no, but wifi is enabled Jun 17 13:51:10 are you on a wifi network? Jun 17 13:51:24 yes Jun 17 13:51:45 here's the rundown... Jun 17 13:52:30 i activated a frankenpreplus running 2.1.0 yesterday and could succesfully make a test call, but did not have EvDO connection Jun 17 13:53:13 I reset the device and it still wont cooperate. Jun 17 13:53:44 ive attempted to red-doctor it, but it keep throwing a incompatible device error at me... Jun 17 13:55:12 sorry, looking at it again, it appears the reset wiped my wifi profiles, so i am not connected... Jun 17 13:55:49 hmm.. rwhitby? Jun 17 13:56:23 sorry, I don't know what's wrong.. I haven't frankenpre'd yet Jun 17 13:57:11 thanks PatrickC Jun 17 13:57:18 np Jun 17 13:57:40 Well coveredwagonkid, if the doctor says incompatible device, you're using the wrong doctor Jun 17 13:58:55 NuttyBunny, built using the meta-doctor scripts, only modified using the instructions from here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_Pre_Plus#Baking_tokens_into_the_meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0_script Jun 17 13:59:36 someone really needs to fix that page Jun 17 14:00:06 bad info? Jun 17 14:01:29 too many choices and places for people to do things they don't understand. Jun 17 14:01:42 the thing that caught my eye was "The following steps will need to be done in order for you to upgrade your Sprint FrankenPre+ to webOS 2.1.0 in the event that your Palm Profile is version 9.9.9 or the normal Sprint script creates a doctor incompatible with your device" Jun 17 14:02:07 it also doesn't say that you only ever need to do tokens once, and never again Jun 17 14:03:06 it also tells you to transfer far more tokens than are required Jun 17 14:03:21 changing comms boards doesn't change your wifi address, for example Jun 17 14:03:49 i wouldn't have thought so... Jun 17 14:04:02 let alone there are two completely different procedures on the one wiki page. Jun 17 14:07:07 on an aside, another thing i found interesting during this process... sprint gave me two different MSL's and they both appear to work Jun 17 14:52:41 coveredwagonkid: did you get it fixed? Jun 17 14:59:38 hmmmm... does anyone happen to know how the Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo object gets populated initially? Jun 17 15:43:57 Hey guys. Was one of the lucky few who got a Veer at the PDC yesterday. Unfortunately, my original Pre Minus and I are from Sprint... Anybody know the fastest method to get it up and running sans SIM? Doctoring is of course fine, since it's brand new -- but I don't see an applicable doctor.Just searched the wiki, and not seeing anything that looks particularly applicable. Thanks as usual! =] Jun 17 15:45:06 It looks like they posted a link for the Veer doctor here: Jun 17 15:45:07 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions#Veer Jun 17 15:45:19 I forget, is it hard to skip first use with a doctor? Jun 17 15:45:48 Not sure, this is actually my first new device! Jun 17 15:46:31 what, the activiation screen? Jun 17 15:46:35 I've heard people chatting about it (and about rolling their own WebOS Doctors), but I would've thought there'd be a guide on that if it was a recommended process. =P Jun 17 15:46:38 Mhmm Jun 17 15:46:55 It's giving me a series of pretty pictures of where to stick the SIM card that doesn't exist with no apparent way past it Jun 17 15:47:17 what i've been doing lately is messing with nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs.tar.gz so i can change the filesystem the phone starts with Jun 17 15:47:32 There's some information here, looks slightly complicated Jun 17 15:47:32 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Bypassing_Activation Jun 17 15:47:36 that itself isn't so hard, just a bit of untaring, modifying, re-taring Jun 17 15:47:40 I'd actually like to sync it to my acct if possible (since IIRC Palm set it up to accept devices on multiple versions better now), but I'm not dead set on it Jun 17 15:47:49 Sorry we didn't think about it while you were still in Sunnyvale, otherwise I could have doctored your phone without first use Jun 17 15:48:05 The other approach, potentially, would be to get an AT&T or T-Mobile pre-paid SIM Jun 17 15:48:19 The downside to skipping first use is that you have no profile and cannot access the app catalog Jun 17 15:48:44 So if you activate normally, you can download apps to the phone, and more easily switch to it in the future if you switch to a different carrier Jun 17 15:48:49 Wait, unless. Jun 17 15:48:58 Hmmm, That wouldn't be so hot. Would the prepaid SIM allow it to keep functioning after it runs out? Jun 17 15:48:58 I guess it might not take a T-Mobile SIM. Not sure. Jun 17 15:49:05 wait, bypassing activation means no apps? Jun 17 15:49:06 Yeah, over WiFI Jun 17 15:49:10 oh cool Jun 17 15:49:14 that's what I was looking for Jun 17 15:49:31 stooooooop... Jun 17 15:49:39 :) Jun 17 15:49:40 uh oh Jun 17 15:49:43 what's up? =P Jun 17 15:49:51 It's easy :D Jun 17 15:49:58 If you use the official device installer that Palm employees have, you don't have App Catalog access if you skip first use Jun 17 15:50:04 shh Jun 17 15:50:08 ...but maybe there's a hacky way to have both :) Jun 17 15:50:08 lemme talk :) Jun 17 15:50:34 Cerealklr: you CAN have your phone, activated, with NO cell phone service, WITH apps, and NO meta doctor Jun 17 15:50:53 0.o Magic? =] Jun 17 15:51:02 Not that much, check: Jun 17 15:51:06 man, i'd love to know how to do that, heh Jun 17 15:51:17 1. Boot your phone and get to the "insert sim" screen Jun 17 15:51:24 2. Enter developer mode Jun 17 15:51:47 how do I get it into developer mode from there? Jun 17 15:51:56 ##DEVMODE# Jun 17 15:51:59 something tells me the Konami code won't do it Jun 17 15:52:00 or something like that Jun 17 15:52:01 (how?) easy: on the keyboard begin typing "#*DEVMODE*" (start with the # and the *), then the dialpad appears, and you finish Jun 17 15:52:04 =D gotcha Jun 17 15:52:09 sugardave: *#, it's gsm :) Jun 17 15:52:11 listen to NuttyBunny Jun 17 15:52:19 #* .. sorry Jun 17 15:52:29 so, you enable developer mode and the phone restarts Jun 17 15:52:58 at this moment you can enable wifi and browse the web, and even sync your accounts, but no app catalog access yet Jun 17 15:53:08 oh see? I'm in the wrong channel talking about things I don't know about. I will be in the other channel doing the same ;) Jun 17 15:53:11 okay Jun 17 15:53:36 Install Preware, Rod recommends palm-install (I use that and never fails). Jun 17 15:53:45 Install Impostah Jun 17 15:53:56 Then, the fun begins :) Jun 17 15:54:09 lemme open impostah to tell you the last steps Jun 17 15:54:18 sounds good. =] Jun 17 15:54:36 It's not restarting automatically. Shall I restart it manually, or did I type the code wrong? Jun 17 15:54:43 10:51 <+NuttyBunny> Cerealklr: you CAN have your phone, activated, with NO cell phone service, WITH apps, and NO meta doctor Jun 17 15:54:47 10:52 < Cerealklr> 0.o Magic? =] Jun 17 15:54:49 10:52 <+NuttyBunny> Not that much, check: Jun 17 15:54:51 you typed it wrong Jun 17 15:54:52 10:52 < zandi> man, i'd love to know how to do that, heh Jun 17 15:54:54 10:52 <+NuttyBunny> 1. Boot your phone and get to the "insert sim" screen Jun 17 15:54:57 10:52 <+NuttyBunny> 2. Enter developer mode Jun 17 15:55:00 10:53 < Cerealklr> how do I get it into developer mode from there? Jun 17 15:55:02 10:53 < sugardave> ##DEVMODE# Jun 17 15:55:05 10:53 < Cerealklr> something tells me the Konami code won't do it Jun 17 15:55:07 10:53 < sugardave> or something like that Jun 17 15:55:10 10:53 <+NuttyBunny> (how?) easy: on the keyboard begin typing "#*DEVMODE*" (start with the # and the *), then the dialpad appears, and you finish Jun 17 15:55:13 10:53 < Cerealklr> =D gotcha Jun 17 15:55:16 10:53 <+NuttyBunny> sugardave: *#, it's gsm :) Jun 17 15:55:18 ok, we'll wait till zandi finishes :P Jun 17 15:55:18 10:53 < sugardave> listen to NuttyBunny Jun 17 15:55:21 10:53 <+NuttyBunny> #* .. sorry Jun 17 15:55:23 10:53 <+NuttyBunny> so, you enable developer mode and the phone restarts Jun 17 15:55:26 10:54 <+NuttyBunny> at this moment you can enable wifi and browse the web, and even sync your accounts, but no app catalog access yet Jun 17 15:55:30 10:54 < sugardave> oh see? I'm in the wrong channel talking about things I don't know about. I will be in the other channel doing the same ;) Jun 17 15:55:33 10:54 < Cerealklr> okay Jun 17 15:55:35 10:54 <+NuttyBunny> Install Preware, Rod recommends palm-install (I use that and never fails). Jun 17 15:55:38 10:54 <+NuttyBunny> Install Impostah Jun 17 15:55:41 10:55 <+NuttyBunny> Then, the fun begins :) Jun 17 15:55:43 10:55 <+NuttyBunny> lemme open impostah to tell you the last steps Jun 17 15:55:44 continue, i'm just taking notes. this might be useful Jun 17 15:55:46 10:55 < Cerealklr> sounds good. =] Jun 17 15:55:49 fuck Jun 17 15:55:51 lol Jun 17 15:55:54 wth? Jun 17 15:55:56 :D Jun 17 15:56:00 you're... taking notes in IRC? Jun 17 15:56:08 you shouldn't take the notes in IRC ;) Jun 17 15:56:14 ... Jun 17 15:56:17 zandi: I think this channel is logged Jun 17 15:56:20 oh right, lemme open notepad :P Jun 17 15:56:21 Cerealklr: Let's see, #*DEVMODE# + Send Jun 17 15:56:24 so automatic notes Jun 17 15:56:25 sugardave: publicly somewhere? Jun 17 15:56:44 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/ Jun 17 15:56:51 yar, check thte topic Jun 17 15:56:52 oh Jun 17 15:56:55 I'm slow Jun 17 15:56:59 Sorry about the # and * Jun 17 15:57:07 OIC Jun 17 15:57:13 thought it ended w/ an asterisk Jun 17 15:57:19 cool, i didn'tk now that Jun 17 15:57:36 there we go! =] Jun 17 15:58:01 excellent, after restart install preware, update, install impostah, then... Jun 17 15:58:12 so, i'm assuming that's an issue that would affect a pre- as well? Jun 17 15:58:24 because if my pre- doesn't have apps, that's kinda... pathetic Jun 17 15:59:59 Impostah: Tap Activation -> type your profile email address, your password, and tap "login to profile" Jun 17 16:00:03 and that's about it Jun 17 16:01:43 Cerealklr: US, I assume, you must leave the catalog settings as United States/English. Your veer will get activated with those settings, full catalog access Jun 17 16:01:43 and IIRC, this won't bork my Pre Minus on 1.4.x, right? Jun 17 16:01:52 Gotcha Jun 17 16:02:23 Ah..... if you have your Pre- with THAT profile, it will logout itself from the profile, wiping out your apps Jun 17 16:02:30 (the last logon remains) Jun 17 16:02:40 so it needs a new profile then? Jun 17 16:02:50 If you want to use both phones simultaneously, yes Jun 17 16:02:54 gotcha Jun 17 16:03:21 Palm should really look into that for when the TouchPad comes out... =] Jun 17 16:03:37 Though ofc they're swamped atm trying to get it out the door Jun 17 16:04:13 You can use the same profile on a phone and on a TouchPad Jun 17 16:04:22 oic Jun 17 16:04:25 In fact, Touch-to-Share expects them to be the same profile Jun 17 16:04:28 Problem == solved. Way ahead of me. =] Jun 17 16:04:47 ...because syncing a phone with the TouchPad is designed to share text messages, phone calls, etc with the TouchPad Jun 17 16:04:58 yep! makes sense Jun 17 16:05:02 Heh, I was actually planning Jun 17 16:05:04 Miss a call, both have the notification. Get a text message, both display the message Jun 17 16:05:15 to work on something similar over WiFi for the Pre Minus and my Veer Jun 17 16:05:24 so I could just have my Minus feed my Veer my info Jun 17 16:06:26 Oh, by the way, kudos to whoever the hell made this happen. This credit card sized device is more responsive than my Minus OC'd to 1Ghz. =P Jun 17 16:06:47 hehehe... yes, they say that :) Jun 17 16:07:02 Seriously the Veer is my favorite phone! Jun 17 16:07:07 * destinal wishes he would have gotten on amazon in time to get one of the $50 off contract veers. Jun 17 16:07:17 I almost feel weird saying that sometimes, the way that sounds, but its true Jun 17 16:07:19 that had to have been a mistake but they shipped them :) Jun 17 16:07:34 For some reason, I love having my Pre one-and-a-half Jun 17 16:07:48 ...or Pre one and three quarters? Jun 17 16:07:55 ? Jun 17 16:08:11 It's like a pint-sized "better than Pre Plus not quite as swift as Pre 2" Jun 17 16:08:12 =D I am loyal to my minus, which is indestructable and unbrickable and for all intents and purposes collision and water proof.... but.... =P Jun 17 16:08:31 It's younger siblings are quite nice devices. If only they'd run on Sprint... =P Jun 17 16:09:05 Sprint seems to love Android dearly Jun 17 16:09:09 It's probably paying the bills Jun 17 16:09:12 oh well, that's what hacking around is for Jun 17 16:09:35 I like Sprint because they cost half as much as Verizon and AT&T Jun 17 16:09:45 my sprint plan is awesome Jun 17 16:09:47 In a few weeks there'll be an app to (hopefully securely) transfer calls/SMS/everything else from a Pre Minus to a Veer via Wifi Jun 17 16:09:55 ...but I guess that is why Sprint, historically, has been picky about anything newer than the Pixi Jun 17 16:10:04 and since I have hotspotting set up already, I should be good to go! =P Jun 17 16:10:05 I won't be able to afford going to the Pre3 if it's not on Sprint Jun 17 16:10:11 :( Jun 17 16:10:46 I wonder if we could get the PAAAAAALM guy to stir up an angry mob to go pester Sprint Jun 17 16:11:10 hmmm, so now I need a different email address to associate with it... =P Jun 17 16:11:22 summatusmentis: corporate ATT plan currently on an iphone. I can just move the SIM. ATT kind of sucks but at least I'm not paying for it :) Jun 17 16:11:23 I guess my alter-ego gmail address will do. =P Jun 17 16:11:34 =D Jun 17 16:11:37 Yeah, I'm on a corporate plan, too. Makes it sting a lot less Jun 17 16:11:40 destinal: unfortunately, some of us don't get corporate plans :) Jun 17 16:11:52 don't/can't Jun 17 16:12:11 holy wow. Guys, I have news. The keyboard on the veer is surprisingly usable. Jun 17 16:12:12 I used T-Mobile for a while with a Pre 2, but unfortunately it isn't designed for T-Mobile's frequencies, so 3G was spotty Jun 17 16:12:28 T-Mobile is getting bought by AT&T anyway Jun 17 16:12:40 Assimiliated. Jun 17 16:12:42 Yeah Jun 17 16:13:03 assasimilated Jun 17 16:13:07 which I imagine means "eaten and never coming back" Jun 17 16:13:34 and the App Catalog is now open... =] Jun 17 16:13:38 Thanks Nutty, I owe you! Jun 17 16:14:38 Yeah, thanks NuttyBunny. You learn new things every day :) Jun 17 16:14:38 Cerealklr: what was your issue? Jun 17 16:14:39 singmajesty: I thought 3g was nonexistent and you only get EDGE Jun 17 16:14:53 hm. is it slightly different on a palm pixi? i'm not getting it to work... Jun 17 16:14:54 thst I don't have AT&T Jun 17 16:14:55 Technically, 3G works, but at approximately half the distance from the tower Jun 17 16:14:57 =D Jun 17 16:15:00 maybe i'll just use devicetool.jar Jun 17 16:15:17 ...which means that it keeps failing to get a signal, and eventually gives up trying until you reboot the phone Jun 17 16:15:46 I think you use ##DEVMODE# on CDMA, and #*DEVMODE# on GSM Jun 17 16:15:49 singmajesty: ah, I didn't think that pre2 even supported TMO's frequencies for 3g which were different than ATT's Jun 17 16:15:53 (like, at all) Jun 17 16:15:54 (Is that right, NuttyBunny?) Jun 17 16:16:16 singmajesty: 2.x only for those codes iirc Jun 17 16:16:19 zandi: you need to use devicetool.jar with web os 1.x Jun 17 16:16:26 DEVMODE on the dialpad? hasn't seemed to work yet, unless it just goes back to activation Jun 17 16:16:31 destinal: ah, that's probably it Jun 17 16:16:36 oh well Jun 17 16:16:38 zandi: or metadoctor Jun 17 16:17:30 thanks Jun 17 16:17:33 wait, what did I miss? Jun 17 16:18:03 yes, ## is CDMA and #* is GSM Jun 17 16:18:16 on 2.x only Jun 17 16:18:32 Cerealklr: Kudos, glad it worked! :D Jun 17 16:18:43 it's so weird how the dialer uses dial codes that are never actually sent to the modem, just switch statements in the javascript Jun 17 16:19:17 zandi: It's harder on 1.4 since you don't have Impostah there Jun 17 16:19:38 :( Jun 17 16:19:39 NuttyBunny: can't you just unhide and run first use though? Jun 17 16:20:24 (something that IIRC doesn't work on 2.x) Jun 17 16:20:33 destinal: Yep, but you'd need the SIM for the activation Jun 17 16:20:37 dammit Jun 17 16:20:43 can't seem to get this pixi into flash mode Jun 17 16:20:49 X Jun 17 16:20:56 uhoh Jun 17 16:21:14 zandi: press X instead of volume up while plugging the usb cable, it's easier Jun 17 16:21:40 NuttyBunny: huh, I've done it with just devicetool and first use for a wifi only device, but then again it was previously owned by another user so I guess the device itself had an initial activation record Jun 17 16:21:45 hah, that's a lot easier Jun 17 16:21:48 on palm servers Jun 17 16:22:04 but it still seems to be stuck on the "no battery" image... do i have to charge the battery or something? Jun 17 16:22:23 * Loudergood holds NuttyBunny upside down and shakes him to see how many other tricks he's never heard of fall out Jun 17 16:22:25 destinal: Exactly Jun 17 16:22:41 zandi: keep the X pressed and insert the battery Jun 17 16:23:12 i am :( Jun 17 16:23:44 Loudergood: ask, I may or may not know the answer ;) Of course, keep the frankenpres, I don't know cdma stuff Jun 17 16:23:51 NuttyBunny: there's no reason I know of that impostah couldn't do the initial activation on a 1.4.5 device, even if you still had to run first use after to get it into the database Jun 17 16:23:59 zandi: Even after you inserted the battery? Jun 17 16:24:13 NuttyBunny: it may not be coded to do it now, but it would be theoretically possible Jun 17 16:24:40 destinal: IIRC, it doesn't have the Activation button "activated", I may be wrong tho, it's been a long time since I touched an 1.4.5 device ;) Jun 17 16:25:27 NuttyBunny: yeah Jun 17 16:25:30 NuttyBunny: yeah, if so it's probably because impostah on 1.x can't do the client side piece, but it could still talk to the server for you I imagine, and let the user run first use after. maybe worth looking into as an enhancement Jun 17 16:25:41 i've done this on the pre- many times, so i'm used to how it usually goes Jun 17 16:26:22 NuttyBunny has many 2.x devices ;) Jun 17 16:26:57 zandi: do it again, I just did it on my Pixi :) Jun 17 16:27:23 NuttyBunny: is it *the* pixi? lol Jun 17 16:27:36 destinal: Yeah, but I think Rod makes system calls that just aren't in 1.4.5, those calls do all the dirty work Jun 17 16:27:55 PatrickC: Of course, *THE* Pixi, still on 2.1 :D Jun 17 16:28:09 no luck Jun 17 16:28:22 DAMMIT. the last one i had didn't power up. hopefully this one isn't fubar as well Jun 17 16:28:27 NuttyBunny: did you ever get that thing running 2.x useably fast? Jun 17 16:29:14 such a small processor and 2.x seems to be quite a bit heavier in places Jun 17 16:29:21 zandi: why power up? why power?... pull cable, pull battery, press and keep "x", insert cable, look at battery icon with "?", insert battery, Presto! Jun 17 16:29:51 destinal: it's not just the processor, it's the memory as well Jun 17 16:30:04 NuttyBunny: well that's a problem on pre- as well Jun 17 16:30:11 i'll try again for you, but the past 3 or so times didn't work Jun 17 16:30:59 but yeah, the last one was just dead. didn't even make it to the "where's the battery?" screen Jun 17 16:31:49 zandi: that's weird, it should power up off the USB cable for that screen to appear Jun 17 16:32:04 I had an early access release of webOS 2.x on my original Pre, and after some time I honestly decided that I preferred to use it with webOS 1.4.5 Jun 17 16:32:25 destinal: As I said, it's not "just" the processor ;) 2.1 is much faster and nicer on a Pre+ than on a Pre- :D Jun 17 16:32:27 Using a Pre Plus on webOS 2.1 with the processor overclocked wasn't too bad Jun 17 16:32:28 destinal: the last one i had was just FUBAR. this is a new one, but it's still behaving kinda wonky Jun 17 16:32:48 2.1 on my clocked pre- is nice Jun 17 16:33:18 zandi: you could always try doing a full charge from the AC adapter first just in case, then power off, hold vol up or x and insert cable (while the battery's still in) but it really shouldn't be necessary Jun 17 16:33:21 i think it's an issue with the battery detection Jun 17 16:34:21 suppose i plug in the cable (no battery no button holding), insert the battery when "prompted". shouldn't it power up? Jun 17 16:34:28