**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 21 02:59:56 2011 Jun 21 02:59:59 in here Jun 21 03:00:03 ah Jun 21 03:00:13 http://cwl.cogsci.rpi.edu/org.webosinternals.wirc_0.4.4_all.ipk Jun 21 03:00:31 but my fix might still have a bug im thinking Jun 21 03:00:31 ok, downloading/testing Jun 21 03:00:36 oh Jun 21 03:01:59 mm.. neato should make a sound... I sent the link 3 times to my phone ;) Jun 21 03:02:02 puff, have you gotten wirc to run in the emulator? Jun 21 03:02:14 ya it does Jun 21 03:02:25 oh good, maybe you can tell me why I get this error when I tried it then... Jun 21 03:02:55 dwc-: you're using an i686 wirc, don't you? Jun 21 03:02:58 u trying the latest i686 build from the testing feed? Jun 21 03:03:16 .... if I can find the message, one sec Jun 21 03:03:22 mmm... "waiting for the plugin"... should I restart it? Jun 21 03:03:36 no, I built an i686 ipkg from git Jun 21 03:03:47 NuttyBunny, if u install while wirc is runing u will have issues Jun 21 03:03:54 dwc-, did u use the right toolchain? Jun 21 03:04:26 10:32 < dwc-> 2011-06-05T17:22:09.901338Z [811] qemux86 user.err jailer[1561]: u Jun 21 03:04:29 ndefined device type! Jun 21 03:04:45 it wasn't running. ok, I restarted, trying to connect and.. Jun 21 03:04:56 dwc-, u prob built an x64 version Jun 21 03:04:58 nope, it keeps "Connecting..." ;( Jun 21 03:04:59 with out realizing Jun 21 03:05:33 hmm, pretty sure file told me it was elf 32, but I can't check now Jun 21 03:05:37 I trashed the ipk I was using already Jun 21 03:06:33 No, it wasn't till the first try. I'll restart this Jun 21 03:06:55 till the 2nd Jun 21 03:10:07 does webos keep core files around somewhere? Jun 21 03:11:15 I see these references to minicore, but /var/minicores is empty Jun 21 03:11:27 Not as far as I remember, I think you have to move around something Jun 21 03:11:31 maybe the ulimits Jun 21 03:13:00 is there a special spot to stick that? Jun 21 03:14:16 mm, maybe create a /.enable_coredumps Jun 21 03:14:58 ... and start minicore2 Jun 21 03:15:06 perhaps look in the webos-internals wiki (I know it's mess, google it) ;) Jun 21 03:15:50 anyone who says it's a mess automatically volunteers to clean up 3 pages Jun 21 03:17:02 ok, I'll clean the spanish upgrade and meta doctor ones, do those count? :D Jun 21 03:17:08 * summatusmentis whistles and walks away Jun 21 03:17:16 where would one go to report bugs against optware? Jun 21 03:18:56 nevermind Jun 21 03:19:07 "If you are a user who wants to report a bug in an Optware package, then please post it to the nslu2-linux mailing list." Jun 21 03:24:00 rwhitby: The Pixi seems fine, it's been logged for several days on a profile with Impostah. No issues with gtalk, sms, email. The only 2 details are: "Dr. SkippedFirstuse" and the need to go and download each app (instead of the autodownload on the regular login) Jun 21 03:35:26 puffthemagic: I get that bug too Jun 21 03:37:44 all the time.. Jun 21 03:47:38 * NuttyBunny whistles and walks away Jun 21 03:47:39 ;) Jun 21 03:48:11 lol Jun 21 03:56:12 might have a new fix Jun 21 04:01:24 hmm. share? :) Jun 21 04:13:43 ka6sox-away: Veer kernel patch applied cleanly against stock 2.6.29 (didn't try .1 to .6) Jun 21 04:15:26 rwhitby: oc'ing kernels for the veer? Jun 21 04:15:53 they didn't even fucking touch the messaging system?? ARGH Jun 21 04:16:02 on what? Jun 21 04:16:41 opensource.palm.com, I don't even see a reference for new pidgin packages, and the transports are exacly the same... Jun 21 04:16:50 it's good and bad. Jun 21 04:17:19 current plugins should install and work as-is, and, of course, will have exactly the same problems :@ Jun 21 04:20:15 ka6sox-away: stock kernel built from source. I do not have a Veer to test it though. Jun 21 04:20:56 this is interesting NuttyBunny PatrickC haeffb Jun 21 04:20:57 2011-06-21T04:18:10.907013Z [2794] qemux86 user.alert org.webosinternals.plugin.wirc[9851]: Connecting to server: 1,irc.morphism.net,TurdSandwich Jun 21 04:20:58 2011-06-21T04:18:10.907224Z [2794] qemux86 user.alert org.webosinternals.plugin.wirc[9851]: Connecting to server: 0,chat^[,TurdY Jun 21 04:21:11 thats what happens after an upgrade Jun 21 04:21:20 see how sever 0 is all messsed up Jun 21 04:21:22 meh? Jun 21 04:21:24 but server 1 is fine Jun 21 04:21:36 but then if u close the app and restart Jun 21 04:21:37 2011-06-21T04:18:36.633144Z [2820] qemux86 user.alert org.webosinternals.plugin.wirc[9934]: Connecting to server: 0,chat.freenode.net,TurdSandwich Jun 21 04:21:37 2011-06-21T04:18:36.633282Z [2820] qemux86 user.alert org.webosinternals.plugin.wirc[9934]: Connecting to server: 1,irc.morphism.net,TurdSandwich Jun 21 04:21:43 they look good Jun 21 04:22:15 you're a turd sandwich? Jun 21 04:22:25 was just thinking that haha Jun 21 04:23:22 turd sandwich with mustard Jun 21 04:24:09 turd sandwiches do not look good :P Jun 21 04:24:52 haha Jun 21 04:33:00 PuffTheMagic: First run after reboot, Lumberjack says: "Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'connect' of undefined, file:///media......./wircPlugin.js:164" Jun 21 04:33:39 Note that I have it configured to connect automatically to FreeNode Jun 21 04:35:54 mmm... second time worked fine.. rebooting again (wait another 5+ minutes) Jun 21 04:36:18 ah! Grooveshark update! :D Jun 21 04:36:28 lol Jun 21 04:38:48 I turned auto-connect off Jun 21 04:41:17 * scoutcamper votes we give PuffTheMagic time to finish enyo, then he can come back and fix mojo wirc Jun 21 04:41:51 * NuttyBunny votes the same... (I'm doing exactly the same) ;) Jun 21 04:43:31 well its the same plugin Jun 21 04:43:42 so fix it one place should fix it the other place Jun 21 04:43:48 i think i tracked it down though Jun 21 04:43:54 cool Jun 21 07:41:19 morning Jun 21 07:43:53 morgen swisstomcat Jun 21 07:44:50 hi hape Jun 21 07:46:40 looking forward to navit for the touchpad :) Jun 21 07:47:00 swisstomcat: have you guys sent him one to test on? Jun 21 07:47:16 yeah Jun 21 07:47:35 http://frm.fm/ <== OpenMoko (Neo1973/freerunner developers) have been up to some … interesting work. :P Jun 21 07:49:10 swisstomcat: ? Jun 21 07:51:57 hape: navit will look great on the touchpad, once it's ported to it Jun 21 08:09:37 ok, expected that we would need, at least, to recompile it. Jun 21 14:03:25 hi, i have a problem with my palm pre... it has no data connection, tried doctor 1.4.1 and 1.4.5, pmmodempower cycle, reseting with no success. I have voice and text only data is missing. quick test gives me modem error 20. Jun 21 14:04:31 never saw that error before... although im sure someone here has Jun 21 14:04:43 many folks here running frankenpre's Jun 21 14:05:21 i got the phone 2 days ago, havent hear of frankenpre yet... Jun 21 14:05:44 will look it up.. Jun 21 14:06:27 frankenpre is basically a frankensteined pre from misc. parts Jun 21 14:07:51 well, im from serbia, so i dont realy have access to spare parts Jun 21 14:08:51 http://m.forums.precentral.net/marketplace/260541-palm-pre-parts-thread.html Jun 21 14:09:03 there are lots of places with spare pre parts Jun 21 14:09:54 people even sell parts on ebay Jun 21 14:10:25 thanks for the link i will keep a look out for them Jun 21 14:11:08 can I brick my phone by flashing the radio, as i see it it is my last option Jun 21 14:11:29 i dont think you can "brick" a pre Jun 21 14:11:40 you may have to get new firmware for your radio if its doesnt work Jun 21 14:11:50 but you should always be able to recover the device without fully bricking it Jun 21 14:12:15 well it works becouse i have voice and text, i only need data Jun 21 14:12:27 according to this post, error 20 means the modem can't sign into the APN for rdata Jun 21 14:12:34 ya i was just going to say Jun 21 14:12:42 i would imagine thats a carrier issue not a firmware issue Jun 21 14:13:00 so maybe double check your APN settings? Jun 21 14:13:31 im confused, for i day i hade data, then i went into usb mode and it was gone... Jun 21 14:14:14 i tryed other carriers with no luck Jun 21 14:14:29 my apn setting are good... Jun 21 14:14:30 what is your carrier? Jun 21 14:14:45 vip mobile srbia Jun 21 14:16:05 http://www.vipmobile.rs/services/data-services.271.html ? Jun 21 14:16:37 ezotek, that happens Jun 21 14:16:47 there's a SQLite file in your system that contains additional data Jun 21 14:17:01 for example BOB in Austria didn't work until I edited that file Jun 21 14:18:58 https://gist.github.com/1037946 Jun 21 14:19:02 I had to run that to enable it Jun 21 14:19:16 took me an hour to figure it out Jun 21 14:21:11 this looks promising, but how do i edit the file Jun 21 14:21:40 you have to novaterm to your device Jun 21 14:22:25 http://discussion.treocentral.com/palm-pre-pre-plus/211728-modifying-webos-carrier-network-settings.html Jun 21 14:22:44 i have terminal app on the phone, can i use that? Jun 21 14:22:51 probably, yes Jun 21 14:22:57 I'd recommend copying the file to your computer Jun 21 14:23:01 and editing it there Jun 21 14:24:03 dwc-, yeah, but it's a pain to do it there (your message in #webos sounded like it was supposed to go here :-D) Jun 21 14:26:58 well will try it when i get home from work... but it seams strange to have connection for a day( without entering in the apn setting) and then nothing... Jun 21 14:27:44 oh, I didn't read that Jun 21 14:27:51 that really is weird Jun 21 14:28:23 try another SIM from that provider if you have one in reach Jun 21 14:30:30 i tried sims from other carriers, with the same results, but i didnt form the same, at the moment i dont have one, but will try it to... Jun 21 14:35:41 well i think i have enuff info to get going, i will start as soon as i get home... Jun 21 14:35:51 THANK YOU ALL FOR THE HELP! Jun 21 14:36:36 good luck Jun 21 14:38:05 thans Jun 21 14:57:01 puffthemagic: ping Jun 21 15:03:18 'morning! :) Jun 21 15:03:28 hey dtzWill! Jun 21 15:04:01 PatrickC: hi! ^.^ Jun 21 15:04:24 you work for wosi? right? Jun 21 15:04:31 PatrickC: how goes it? Jun 21 15:04:51 PatrickC: well, i'm a member sure :). Don't know i'd say any of us 'work' for wosi, hehe. Jun 21 15:05:09 it is great! I've finished 1 port for the TouchPad, and I'm starting development on another Jun 21 15:05:17 are you getting a touchpad early? Jun 21 15:06:07 dtzWill: would you like to help me beta my new app? Jun 21 15:12:07 PatrickC: With all the questions you just reminded me of Chester :) Jun 21 15:13:11 who? Jun 21 15:18:30 Google "Spike and Chester", the little one, jumping around Jun 21 15:19:36 Loony Tunes FTW!!! haha Jun 21 15:20:50 puffthemagic: did you ever get those bugs fixed? Jun 21 15:25:08 PatrickC: sorry for delay, coworker needed something. Jun 21 15:25:18 yay for porting touchpad stuff :) Jun 21 15:25:19 that's fine Jun 21 15:25:40 lol Jun 21 15:26:17 we need to figure out how to install git on-device :) Jun 21 15:27:04 isn't it on optware? Jun 21 15:27:31 git? let me check Jun 21 15:28:40 I don't see it in optware feed in preware Jun 21 15:31:17 pretty sure it's in optware Jun 21 15:31:26 could've sworn, but can't check atm Jun 21 15:31:46 it's there, you're just looking in the wrong place Jun 21 15:31:52 I didn't see anything with "git" in the name Jun 21 15:32:02 install the optware advance linux installer (or something like that) Jun 21 15:32:12 ipkg-opt install git Jun 21 15:32:16 yeah, what NuttyBunny said :) Jun 21 15:32:20 then, on your device, type: ipkg-opt update <--- this updates the packages Jun 21 15:32:27 then what dtzWill typed :) Jun 21 15:32:38 in xterm? right? Jun 21 15:32:43 yep Jun 21 15:32:54 does it matter from which dir? Jun 21 15:32:59 no Jun 21 15:33:25 ipkg-opt not found Jun 21 15:34:18 install the optware advance linux installer (or something like that) Jun 21 15:34:27 that's in Preware Jun 21 15:34:40 installing Jun 21 15:36:26 worked thanks Jun 21 15:36:56 refresh my memory, what ipkg-opt package is telnet included in? i don't remember Jun 21 15:40:03 do we still have to fix the jail settings to get terminus to work? Jun 21 15:40:21 coveredwagonkid, I think net-tools Jun 21 15:42:28 PatrickC: i believe so Jun 21 15:47:32 ok.. umm.. here's the jail settings for terminus: Jun 21 15:47:52 there is no jail_game.conf Jun 21 15:53:36 anyone? Jun 21 15:54:03 PatrickC: trying to find some data for you... Jun 21 15:54:11 thaks Jun 21 15:54:13 thanks* Jun 21 15:54:57 I got my info from here: -» http://m.precentral.net/on-device-command-line-access-returns-webos-2-1 Jun 21 16:00:25 my jailusers files shows this: us.ryanhope.terminus:/dev/null:etc/jail_native-palm.conf Jun 21 16:01:21 mine show: Jun 21 16:04:02 that, all a few others Jun 21 16:04:31 huh? Jun 21 16:04:52 other apps, not just terminus Jun 21 16:05:09 I have a ton of apps in there Jun 21 16:06:40 brb Jun 21 16:07:43 ok Jun 21 16:24:05 PatrickC: does your jailuser files show anything for terminus? Jun 21 16:26:19 bbl Jun 21 16:26:42 coveredwagonkid: if you figure it out, please email me at patrickappcreator @ gmail Jun 21 16:40:28 Hi, I have a palm pixi with webOS 1.4.5 , it doesn't seem to detect my data settings to connect to gprs, manual editing was of no help- fails with "unable to write settings", on googling, found that editing careernetworksetting.db3 might be of help, but I fail to understand the columns in the tables, how should I go about to add my network - TATA DOCOMO settings to the db? Jun 21 16:46:27 logs++ - seems my question has been answered a lot of times, sorry to bother :) Jun 21 16:47:01 its alright Jun 21 16:49:39 coveredwagonkid: inetutils Jun 21 16:50:20 dwc-: got it. thanks Jun 21 18:37:25 hey everyone Jun 21 18:38:47 Yo yo! Jun 21 18:40:21 morning Jun 21 18:41:00 Good morning, in far far away Jun 21 18:41:12 it is... Jun 21 18:41:33 the multiplexer is happy...people can see the Guide now so I'm happy. Jun 21 18:43:38 Great! Jun 21 18:49:32 hmmmm, the dbus in ipkg appears to either be missing a header, or the postinst script is invisibly generating it... Jun 21 18:49:41 /opt/PalmPDK/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus.h:29:33: error: dbus/dbus-arch-deps.h: No such file or directory Jun 21 18:49:47 and indeed, it isn't to be found Jun 21 18:50:10 oh Jun 21 18:50:12 it's under lib Jun 21 18:50:14 that's silly Jun 21 18:50:23 why are headers being stuck under lib? Jun 21 19:21:49 yea, that sounds like it shouldn't be Jun 21 19:22:17 Well, on thinking about it, it kinda makes sense... just feels … dirty Jun 21 19:22:35 lib shouldn't be where arch dependant headers end up, but include doesnt make sense, either Jun 21 19:22:52 you can have arch-dependent headers in include Jun 21 19:23:20 Welcome to open source :) Jun 21 19:23:33 he he Jun 21 19:23:33 everybody can (and do) whatever they see fit Jun 21 19:42:42 especially with poor /opt it's always being abused Jun 21 19:44:42 /opt is not big enough currently Jun 21 20:44:30 yea... I filled up the "new" 64mb ext3 on mine already Jun 21 20:44:33 5mb free Jun 21 20:44:46 I should resize it before I forget Jun 21 20:45:35 I think I might ban lamawihtonel_ till he fixes his client. Jun 21 20:45:46 its broken... Jun 21 20:47:25 isn't it easier to create a /media/crypto/opt and link /opt to that? Jun 21 20:48:51 probably...need to test how something running from that location will react when cryptofs is stopped while the /media/internal is shared out to the USB port. Jun 21 21:14:04 anyone who received a touchpad around? Jun 21 21:15:37 I have one Jun 21 21:15:52 singmajesty: ah, i'm still thinking whether or not to buy one Jun 21 21:15:59 singmajesty: s/buy/preorder Jun 21 21:16:39 singmajesty: i would like to ideally dual boot it, and was wondering of the bootloader is unlocked and everything or not Jun 21 21:20:15 Is the bootloader locked on any version of webOS? Jun 21 21:20:21 Do you already have a webOS phone? Jun 21 21:20:56 nope Jun 21 21:20:57 dualboot it with what? Jun 21 21:20:59 android? Jun 21 21:21:05 i've never handled a webos device Jun 21 21:21:09 summatusmentis: lolno Jun 21 21:21:15 summatusmentis: kubuntu Jun 21 21:21:19 webos devices are not locked down like android devices Jun 21 21:21:28 is there an arm version of kubuntu? Jun 21 21:21:34 summatusmentis: yes Jun 21 21:21:35 because if not, not gonna happen Jun 21 21:21:36 ok Jun 21 21:21:50 there's a base image and you can install packages on top of it Jun 21 21:22:04 the packages are built for the usual platforms + ARM Jun 21 21:22:10 yeah, so, in theory, if you can figure out the required kernel stuff, there's no reason you couldn't Jun 21 21:22:13 as I understand it Jun 21 21:22:28 summatusmentis: the main issues are a) Bootloaders and b) Kernel driver support Jun 21 21:22:46 doesn't the WOSI logo from meta-doctor suggest that bootloaders are not an issue? Jun 21 21:22:47 and i saw a page where HP Provided patches to certain packages Jun 21 21:22:58 Yep Jun 21 21:23:02 summatusmentis: i have no idea what you are talking abou :) Jun 21 21:23:04 To "jailbreak" a webos device... Jun 21 21:23:06 I don't know that much about the bootloader side, but people (including myself) are running custom kernels Jun 21 21:23:12 Type "webos20090606" in the launcher Jun 21 21:23:14 shadeslayer: that was more directed at the channel Jun 21 21:23:15 Or the Konami code Jun 21 21:23:18 ah ok Jun 21 21:23:28 To root it, plug it in and type "novaterm" from your host machine with the SDK installed Jun 21 21:23:30 Root access. Jun 21 21:23:36 I _think_ someone installed android on their pre Jun 21 21:23:41 yep Jun 21 21:23:43 right i was looking at the guides and figured as much Jun 21 21:23:46 So if you want to toy with it outside of the standard App Catalog, go for it Jun 21 21:23:48 so there's no real reason you couldn't Jun 21 21:23:57 it might just be a fair amount of work to get working properly Jun 21 21:23:59 You can use a webOS doctor to make it perfect again in practically any scenario Jun 21 21:24:17 I also know that some people chroot a debian env on their pres currently Jun 21 21:24:20 summatusmentis: yeah thats no issue, i have plenty of time Jun 21 21:24:28 It doesn't handle all types of firmware writing (like if you make a CDMA device think it is GSM) but it does a lot Jun 21 21:24:31 i would like to run it natively Jun 21 21:25:08 hmm ... so in the end, its possible and i should pre order it :D Jun 21 21:25:16 you should order many Jun 21 21:25:17 well, then, assuming the TP doesn't change too much from what we know about pre devices, there's no reason you shouldn't technically be unable to do it Jun 21 21:25:25 in fact, order me one :) Jun 21 21:25:28 The TouchPad uses an ARMv7 processor architecture, an A9 cortex, I believe, and a Qualcomm chipset all around Jun 21 21:25:41 The guys here might be able to go into even further detail, depending on what you need to know Jun 21 21:25:52 * halfhalo wants omap... just for the unbrickable stuff from it. Jun 21 21:25:57 heh Jun 21 21:26:03 well i know it runs on a ArchOS device just fine Jun 21 21:26:26 halfhalo: yeh, the unbrickability is neat Jun 21 21:26:56 and then theres https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TabletList Jun 21 21:27:05 then again, I'm not a big low level tweaker like that. I leave that to the professionals. (or crazy people) Jun 21 21:27:40 If it was stable, Ubuntu on a TouchPad could be fun Jun 21 21:27:58 I'd be intrigued the newer unity stuff on a TP Jun 21 21:28:02 Or just injecting extra packages into the default webOS install Jun 21 21:28:10 Ah, you would need to have GL support Jun 21 21:28:11 singmajesty: actually, theres something brewing on the KDE side called Plasma Active Jun 21 21:28:31 GL or GLES ? Jun 21 21:28:32 lol, nothing is listed as yes under "worth try to support" Jun 21 21:29:01 ^_^ Jun 21 21:29:23 GLES Jun 21 21:29:26 the last issue remaining is that i have to wait till august to get my hands on one :P Jun 21 21:29:29 I should be more specific :) Jun 21 21:29:33 Ah. Jun 21 21:29:44 Well, maybe Unity runs in GLES Jun 21 21:30:04 KDE is supposed to support that as well soon I think Jun 21 21:30:10 I thought the TouchPad was coming out July 1st? Jun 21 21:30:20 unless you're not in the US Jun 21 21:30:25 ^^ I'm from india Jun 21 21:30:35 so someone is bringing it for me from the US :P Jun 21 21:30:36 or some of the other initial release countries Jun 21 21:31:02 Loudergood: afaik KWin supports GLES Jun 21 21:31:32 they booted Kubuntu Mobile on the N900 Jun 21 21:33:45 right, Martin who maintains KWin merged a GLES branch into KDE master in the 4.7 release cycle, so i can say that its all good on the GLES Front too Jun 21 21:34:00 ok then, its pre order time Jun 21 21:34:07 Ah Jun 21 21:34:13 Cool! Jun 21 21:34:33 Well if you dual-boot a desktop OS on the TouchPad, I'm sure more than a few people would be interested Jun 21 21:34:46 :) Jun 21 21:35:04 singmajesty: btw whats the bootloader called in webOS? Jun 21 21:36:09 bootie Jun 21 21:36:19 lol Jun 21 21:36:50 webOS has cool names for all kinds of parts Jun 21 21:36:55 like trenchcoat Jun 21 21:37:38 Loudergood: whats that? Jun 21 21:37:42 What is sweatshop? Jun 21 21:38:31 btw can we setup 2 boot env's in bootie? Jun 21 21:38:44 and then choose during the boot time? Jun 21 21:38:52 not that I've seen Jun 21 21:39:18 ka6sox-farfarawa: ok, and is this boot environment sourced from a file? Jun 21 21:39:45 nvram... Jun 21 21:39:56 trenchcoat is the flashing tool Jun 21 21:40:17 sweatshop is where the devices are assembled? Jun 21 21:40:31 hmm Jun 21 21:40:40 lol @ dwc- Jun 21 21:41:21 thanks for the insight guys :) Jun 21 21:41:25 sweatshop in this pixi vzw+ doctor Jun 21 21:41:34 I see. I think sweatshop is a child process of trenchcoat, then? Jun 21 21:41:35 appears to be a customer care number, and some luna customizations Jun 21 21:41:44 carrier customizations? Jun 21 21:41:59 perhaps Jun 21 21:42:08 Yeah, I think bootie is cute Jun 21 21:42:10 tellbootie Jun 21 21:42:15 http://pastebin.com/dCcqvrvh Jun 21 21:42:33 is the contents of a sweatshop-verizon-pixie_1.0-57_armv6.ipk, from a 1.4.5 pixi+ vzw doctor Jun 21 21:47:00 Yeah, looks like carrier customizations Jun 21 21:47:15 Maybe not all, but one form of them Jun 21 21:47:50 the palm section of HP needs a research division Jun 21 21:47:59 so next summer they can hire grad-student me as an intern :) Jun 21 21:48:21 * halfhalo grumbles about palm internships Jun 21 21:48:30 halfhalo: no success? Jun 21 21:48:32 We have at least one Jun 21 21:48:35 intern Jun 21 21:48:39 it fell through this year Jun 21 21:48:43 bummer Jun 21 22:05:42 NuttyBunny: /media/cryptofs/opt would not support symlinks Jun 21 22:14:39 rwhitby: really? I thought it would be just like and ext2 fs or something similar Jun 21 22:15:38 nope, it has vfat semantics Jun 21 22:16:17 grrr... seems logical... mounted on top of a vfat fs :@ Jun 21 22:39:49 hey guys Jun 21 22:39:57 how do i send a mp3 (ringtone) to somebody as a text Jun 21 22:40:02 ive done it before i just cant remember how Jun 21 23:18:09 CorpX: ping Jun 21 23:19:35 is that a mod? Jun 21 23:19:41 im on 1.4.5 Jun 21 23:20:46 its in a patch Jun 21 23:20:53 and no, I'm not a mod :) Jun 21 23:20:54 i cant find it Jun 21 23:20:58 oh.. wait.. nvm Jun 21 23:21:06 I misread what you said.. oops lol Jun 21 23:21:35 * RMind continues to plot ways to afford a touchpad... Jun 21 23:21:50 RMind: sell your siblings ;) Jun 21 23:21:55 i was gonna get a touchpad but i still have a pre- Jun 21 23:22:01 CorpX: its in there.. I believe Jun 21 23:22:03 so ill have to use 2 differnet accounts Jun 21 23:22:16 I have a pre-, and I'm gonna but a touchpad Jun 21 23:22:16 so when i get a pre3 ill be forced to dump an account Jun 21 23:22:25 I run 2.1 on my pre- though Jun 21 23:22:30 he's 28 and in the Army... so the government already owns him Jun 21 23:22:37 i cant find ping in preware Jun 21 23:22:40 man.. Jun 21 23:22:42 ping? Jun 21 23:23:01 ya no find Jun 21 23:23:15 CorpX, install a terminal? Jun 21 23:23:42 what's ping? Jun 21 23:23:47 wait Jun 21 23:23:55 i want to send audio file through sms Jun 21 23:23:58 it's already on your phone as part of webOS Jun 21 23:24:37 RMind: I don't think it is? is it? Jun 21 23:25:04 na Jun 21 23:25:11 i cant find the "headphones icon" when i go to attach file Jun 21 23:25:21 audio/video attachments is the name of the patch iirc Jun 21 23:25:51 sweet Jun 21 23:25:53 installing now Jun 21 23:26:12 ping is... but it's different from what you're talking about Jun 21 23:26:27 it just... pings stuff Jun 21 23:26:47 ya Jun 21 23:26:48 lol Jun 21 23:39:06 this is kinda scary... I enabled core dumps, rebooted the phone, went to do other stuff, and not 40 min later (mostly spent not being touched) I have 2 coredumps already... ar.reminders.js and uploadd Jun 21 23:48:23 dwc-: that's not good :) Jun 21 23:49:01 dwc-: core dumps? Jun 21 23:51:00 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_dump Jun 21 23:52:01 make it run faster? Jun 21 23:53:09 lol Jun 21 23:55:26 * PatrickC is still new to Unix/Linux :) Jun 21 23:55:40 I've been doing basic HTML/CSS for years though.. Jun 21 23:55:55 but.. nothing more. so this is all new to me lol Jun 21 23:58:13 I'm just the opposite Jun 21 23:58:19 huh? Jun 21 23:58:27 I've been using linux for years, but HTML/CSS is new to me :) Jun 21 23:58:35 hehe Jun 21 23:58:38 or, newish Jun 21 23:58:44 same, well modern HTML :) Jun 21 23:58:54 used to write web pages all the time but the new stuff.. Jun 22 00:00:57 oil, puffthemagic: wirc and lumberjack look amazing in enyo :) Jun 22 00:02:31 "back in mah day everyone used tables and iframes and everything was cross browser! none of this newfangled fancyness" Jun 22 00:05:14 * Loudergood joins the marquee everywhere movement Jun 22 00:10:18 how can I possibly get the ESN from a Palm pre??? Jun 22 00:11:17 look under the battery iirc Jun 22 00:11:20 bidomo: MEID is in device info, more info Jun 22 00:13:25 yes, I have the MEID, is the ESN the same_ Jun 22 00:13:56 Im just steps away from activating Jun 22 00:14:36 so i want to start developing for webos on linux where should i start? Jun 22 00:15:34 Epyon22: start in #webos :) Jun 22 00:16:10 PatrickC: oh ok lol sorry about that Jun 22 00:16:16 that's fine Jun 22 00:17:38 I want to flay whoever invented qmake Jun 22 00:17:45 already got the MEID from the back of the phone, using a script for activating it in MX, but it ask for ESN which I ignore what it is Jun 22 00:18:13 I have the most wonderous set of hacky ugly scripts to make Qt properly install on to my cryptofs Jun 22 00:27:33 bidomo: FYI, you can convert the MEID to the pESN Jun 22 00:28:05 i found this the other day, it might work: http://www.meidconverter.com/ Jun 22 00:43:43 zandi: I think I love you, I never activated a CDMA before, hope it is all I need Jun 22 01:04:31 when I try to send the ##USBPASS# it doesnt do anything... Jun 22 01:23:09 bidomo: it should ask for a 5-digit code (based on the serial number of the palm device) Jun 22 01:23:21 if it doesn't even do that, i'd check if devmode is on Jun 22 01:26:06 and back on the MEID/pESN thing, iirc the pESN will always start with 80, and the remaining digits are from the lower bits of the MEID's sha-1 hash Jun 22 01:26:20 the details are on wikipedia, but i know the pESN is frlom the MEID Jun 22 01:36:04 do the normal linux commands to control wifi power work on a pre? Jun 22 01:38:34 haven't tried Jun 22 01:45:18 I also haven't tried, but I would doubt it Jun 22 01:45:21 at least to some extent Jun 22 02:52:51 RMind: iwconfig is installed Jun 22 02:53:05 wpa supplicant is installed and used for certain Jun 22 02:59:26 hmmm... just looking to keep temp down while running hotspot on a road trip **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 22 02:59:57 2011