**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 22 02:59:57 2011
Jun 22 03:01:04 <dwc-> ahh, a lot of that stuff is going to be driver dependent then
Jun 22 03:45:06 <PatrickC> ka6sox: ping
Jun 22 04:10:35 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC, haeffb ping
Jun 22 04:10:41 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 22 04:11:29 <PuffTheMagic> got a new wirc for u tot test
Jun 22 04:11:48 <PatrickC> ok.
Jun 22 04:12:05 <PuffTheMagic> http://cwl.cogsci.rpi.edu/org.webosinternals.wirc_0.4.4_all.ipk
Jun 22 04:12:10 <PuffTheMagic> its not the same as yesterday
Jun 22 04:12:26 <PatrickC> ok, brb. I'm on wirc now. let me close real quick
Jun 22 04:15:17 <PatrickC> puffthemagic: ping
Jun 22 04:15:30 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Jun 22 04:15:37 <PatrickC> installed
Jun 22 04:15:42 <PatrickC> what was I looking for?
Jun 22 04:15:50 <PuffTheMagic> does it work?
Jun 22 04:15:52 <PatrickC> it threw a few errors
Jun 22 04:15:55 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 22 04:15:59 <PatrickC> I'm on it right now
Jun 22 04:16:02 <PuffTheMagic> normal upgrade errors?
Jun 22 04:16:06 <PuffTheMagic> are u on 1.4.5?
Jun 22 04:16:10 <PatrickC> hmm.. let me paste
Jun 22 04:16:16 <PatrickC> 2.1 Pre2 Unlocked GSM
Jun 22 04:16:51 <PatrickC> http://pastebin.com/5hjCjj8L
Jun 22 04:17:18 <PuffTheMagic> thats normal hp fail
Jun 22 04:17:28 <PatrickC> ok
Jun 22 04:17:53 <PatrickC> weird.. it didn't auto-identify me..
Jun 22 04:18:17 <PatrickC> it connected on the first try, which it doesn't normally do..
Jun 22 04:19:24 <PuffTheMagic> if you put your nickserv password as your server password it should do that automatically
Jun 22 04:20:01 <PatrickC> it used to, but a few updates ago it stopped
Jun 22 04:20:17 <PatrickC> I have it set to do so.. but it hasn't for a while.
Jun 22 04:20:37 <PatrickC> let me quit and see if it does now, I re-entered my password.. maybe there was a typo.
Jun 22 04:21:31 <PatrickC> nope.. didn't work
Jun 22 04:21:34 <PatrickC> This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via <b>/msg NickServ identify &lt;password&gt;</b>.
Jun 22 04:25:30 <PuffTheMagic> well there ya go
Jun 22 04:25:40 <PatrickC> huh? it didn't work..
Jun 22 04:25:52 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC, the big thing i want you to check is if u have connect issues
Jun 22 04:25:55 <PuffTheMagic> not nick issues ;)
Jun 22 04:26:06 <PatrickC> ah.. well, it connects first time now :)
Jun 22 04:26:10 <PatrickC> the last one didnt
Jun 22 04:26:18 <PatrickC> seems to be fixed
Jun 22 04:26:19 <PuffTheMagic> thats good
Jun 22 04:26:24 <PatrickC> lets see if it lasts overnight
Jun 22 04:26:53 <PatrickC> when I leave it connected overnight, around 5:30AM each morning, it losses connection.. but still says its connected
Jun 22 04:27:26 <PatrickC> it shows however many people were connected at the time as being connected, but it won't let me join any other channels (shows 0 for new channels)
Jun 22 04:32:32 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: seems to be working good. I'm going to bed, thanks!
Jun 22 04:32:44 <PatrickC> I'll let you know what happens overnight
Jun 22 05:40:48 <swisstomcat> morning
Jun 22 06:27:18 <hape> morgen swisstomcat
Jun 22 06:27:26 <swisstomcat> morgen hape
Jun 22 06:48:18 <NuttyBunny> so after certain hour the channel language switches to german? cool :)
Jun 22 06:48:32 <NuttyBunny> I wonder if it switches to australian as well
Jun 22 06:52:29 <rwhitby> I thought it was always in Australian
Jun 22 06:54:24 <NuttyBunny> Nah, I think oil slipped an australian translation plugin in wirc ;)
Jun 22 06:54:47 <NuttyBunny> he doesn't know mexican, so I don't see nothing in spanish
Jun 22 06:55:36 <NuttyBunny> nah... it must be the hour, 2am here. I really have to sleep.. stoopid enyo.. gotta go, bbl
Jun 22 07:33:50 <AdoraSuxPuffySux> ahh, dammit
Jun 22 07:34:56 <AdoraSuxPuffySux> the full nick was AdoraSuxPuffySuxOilStillRoolz
Jun 22 07:36:07 <swisstomcat> erm
Jun 22 07:36:11 <swisstomcat> happy birthday btw :)
Jun 22 07:37:05 <oil> lol
Jun 22 07:39:18 <AdoraSuxPuffySux> swisstomcat:  thx  =]
Jun 22 12:45:26 <Darkmagister> hi all, anyone can help me to try linphone alpha ???
Jun 22 12:45:45 <summatusmentis> you need to talk to Thibaud or rwhitby, I think
Jun 22 12:45:45 <Darkmagister> i don't know how i have to do for compiling it and installing it
Jun 22 12:45:59 <summatusmentis> I don't think you need to do that, I think there are packages somewhere
Jun 22 12:46:09 <rwhitby> Darkmagister: what device and sip provider?
Jun 22 12:46:22 <Darkmagister> really ? i have only see the git repo
Jun 22 12:46:49 <Darkmagister> on an german pre- with 2.0 webos and ekiga provider... or with my personal asterisk server
Jun 22 12:47:18 <rwhitby> Darkmagister: see /msg and report in the PreCentral thread
Jun 22 12:48:09 <Darkmagister> ok
Jun 22 12:49:36 <Darkmagister> thanks to all
Jun 22 13:33:42 <PatrickC> puffthemagic: ping
Jun 22 13:35:04 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Jun 22 13:35:30 <PatrickC> ok. wirc did not stay connected overnight
Jun 22 13:35:44 <PuffTheMagic> that has nothing to do with the fixes
Jun 22 13:35:49 <PuffTheMagic> but u should use 0.4.4 from feed
Jun 22 13:35:53 <PuffTheMagic> its even better
Jun 22 13:36:07 <PatrickC> and when I quit and reconnected, it connected first time (didn't used to do that) but it wouldn't let send any msg's
Jun 22 13:36:13 <PatrickC> ok, I'll upgrade
Jun 22 13:40:55 <Darkmagister> linphone work ... but no audio :(
Jun 22 13:42:18 <Darkmagister> it connect to the server ... i receive and make call but no audio exit
Jun 22 13:42:39 <rwhitby> Darkmagister: the developer of linphone is not here.  report in the thread.
Jun 22 13:43:09 <Darkmagister> ok ... but how can i report some useful info ....
Jun 22 13:43:13 <Darkmagister> ?
Jun 22 13:44:55 <PatrickC> updated. had to remove and re-install to update cleanly.. it already thought I had it installed..
Jun 22 13:47:34 <Darkmagister> ok maybe it's a problem with ekiga
Jun 22 13:47:43 <PatrickC> huh?
Jun 22 13:53:49 <Darkmagister> server
Jun 22 15:13:50 <mickdouglas> hi... just hacking w/ some webos stuff... question.  Is there a wifi signal strength api?
Jun 22 15:14:32 <mickdouglas> also, am i in the correct chan for this question?
Jun 22 15:15:05 <zandi> not sure on both questions
Jun 22 15:15:06 <summatusmentis> the API stuff is probably better suited to #webos
Jun 22 15:15:11 <zandi> you may also want to check out #webos though
Jun 22 15:15:19 <summatusmentis> if you're talking about stuff accessible throug the SDK/PDK
Jun 22 15:15:36 <summatusmentis> I don't recall seeing anything about signal strength, but I'm not sure
Jun 22 15:16:11 <PatrickC> thanks, that just reminded me of something I need to add to one of my apps :)
Jun 22 15:20:09 <Urban_> Yo anybody here?
Jun 22 15:20:18 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 22 15:20:51 <Urban_> I got a problem with my Pre and i cant find a solution anywhere
Jun 22 15:22:05 <PatrickC> rwhitby: I see you got a present  :)
Jun 22 15:22:13 <PatrickC> rwhitby-tp*
Jun 22 15:22:20 <PatrickC> Urban_: what's the issue?
Jun 22 15:23:24 <Urban_> Basically i can view some apps on the market if i go to categories. but i cant download any, they just say download failed, and whenever i click on "whats hott" or whatever it is.. it comes up with "This feature is not available right now. Please try again later"
Jun 22 15:23:50 <PatrickC> is the phone activated? what OS version?
Jun 22 15:24:36 <Urban_> Yeah its activated, ive had it for ages i just haven't used it in months.. its updeted to the latest webos. cant remember 1.4 something?
Jun 22 15:24:58 <PatrickC> go into Device Info and see what it says..
Jun 22 15:25:05 <PatrickC> Is it a Pre+ or a Pre-
Jun 22 15:25:42 <Urban_> Im just in the middle of a reset Apps + Data wipe. Its a Pre-
Jun 22 15:25:54 <PatrickC> ok.
Jun 22 15:25:58 <PatrickC> hrmm...
Jun 22 15:26:06 <PatrickC> I don't know what would be causing that..
Jun 22 16:06:06 <PatrickC> hmm.. I can have git on-device.. what about SDK tools.. :)
Jun 22 16:20:33 <summatusmentis> I should setup mode switcher
Jun 22 16:22:21 <PatrickC> MS is amazing
Jun 22 17:54:49 <PatrickC> http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=org.webosinternals.catalog.wirc&applicationid=9315
Jun 22 18:32:19 <dtz> :D
Jun 22 18:32:25 <dtz> go go gadget app cat wirc
Jun 22 18:32:30 <dtz> oil: grats :D
Jun 22 18:32:36 <oil> :)
Jun 22 18:32:41 <dtz> bbiab
Jun 22 20:39:45 <Dvorac> Hey, my current pre broken so I did a comm board swap with another one (still pre-) and was wondering exactly when I would insert the tokens if I wanted to simply run the 2.1.0 doctor right away (as I was never able to turn off backups). Would my best option be to run the meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 script, let it build, and then edit the castle.xml file of the new doctor it made?
Jun 22 20:40:44 <singmajesty> Couldn't you just call Sprint and tell them you switched to a new device?
Jun 22 20:41:10 <Dvorac> Ehh and get charged $10 more a month?
Jun 22 20:41:28 <Dvorac> I already did the swap that took all of 5 minutes of work
Jun 22 20:43:13 <singmajesty> Just an idea :)
Jun 22 20:43:19 <singmajesty> I've swapped and didn't get charged extra
Jun 22 20:43:33 <singmajesty> I just say I already had a Pre on the account
Jun 22 20:43:51 <Dvorac> That would require me to switch the comm boards back anyway now :P
Jun 22 20:45:10 <singmajesty> Yeah :)
Jun 22 20:45:45 <singmajesty> I don't remember the steps for a comm board swap, but maybe someone else here knows
Jun 22 20:45:59 <singmajesty> (Did it a long time ago, and since moved onto newer devices)
Jun 22 20:46:37 <Jack87> wirc is in the catalog now?
Jun 22 20:47:16 <singmajesty> Yep!
Jun 22 20:47:20 <Jack87> nice
Jun 22 20:51:46 <oil> haha
Jun 22 20:53:09 <Jack87> hehe HP Academy has touchpad discounted... a whole $5-$6
Jun 22 20:53:28 <Tibfib> NICE
Jun 22 20:55:19 <Jack87> 64gig = $593.99 and 16gig = $494.99
Jun 22 20:55:38 <Jack87> s/64gig/32gig/
Jun 22 20:55:55 <shadeslayer> heh ...
Jun 22 20:56:09 <shadeslayer> any ideas where i can get a 40 USD discount? :P
Jun 22 20:57:01 <Jack87> noda... costco is showing it available for preorder as well... but its not discounted :( and i dont see any extras like touch stone or anything with it
Jun 22 20:57:12 <Jack87> http://www.costco.com/Common/Search.aspx?whse=BC&topnav=&search=touchpad&N=0&Ntt=touchpad&cm_re=1_en-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&lang=en-US
Jun 22 20:58:42 <Jack87> ka6sox-, hello!
Jun 22 20:58:50 <ka6sox-> hi
Jun 22 21:01:51 <shadeslayer> 43 USD to be exact ... my card only has 500 USD and after adding the taxes it goes above the amount i have in the credit card
Jun 22 21:02:02 <shadeslayer> s/credit/pre paid debit
Jun 22 21:04:00 <Jack87> hum... i wonder what website wills ell without charging taxes... would it be amazon?
Jun 22 21:04:35 <rrix> shadeslayer: Could just wait until July for it ;)
Jun 22 21:05:04 <shadeslayer> Jack87: yeah amazon doesn't tell you the taxes
Jun 22 21:05:41 <shadeslayer> rrix: well ... there's that option, but it's selling at a discount of 125  USD right now :P
Jun 22 21:05:59 <Jack87> lies!
Jun 22 21:06:04 <shadeslayer> rrix: i didn't know you idle'd here :D
Jun 22 21:06:08 <rrix> You will have more than 500$ by then though ;)
Jun 22 21:06:14 <shadeslayer> yeah ^^
Jun 22 21:06:19 <rrix> shadeslayer: haven't you seen me bitching about cross compiling in the Cafe? ;)
Jun 22 21:06:48 <shadeslayer> i don't read the backlog of the cafe that often :P
Jun 22 21:06:53 <rrix> hehe
Jun 22 21:09:36 <shadeslayer> rrix: ever tried to run a Qt App on a webOS device?
Jun 22 21:10:22 <rrix> shadeslayer: That's what I'm bitching about cross compiling for, lol
Jun 22 21:10:35 <rrix> shadeslayer: QMake is not kind to Qt for Embedded Linux
Jun 22 21:11:07 <shadeslayer> LOL
Jun 22 21:11:22 * rrix has been trying to rebase darronb's gfxplugin on to a qt 4.7 and diddle the correct ./configure bits to make it properly build in WIDK rather than in the emulator like he had.
Jun 22 21:11:28 <shadeslayer> rrix: i hear they're retiring QMake
Jun 22 21:11:48 <dtzWill> rrix: making any traction on that front?
Jun 22 21:11:51 <rrix> shadeslayer: I keep hearing that, too. I wish they would just use cmake instead of reinventing the $#*^$*& wheel again
Jun 22 21:12:02 <rrix> dtzWill: It builds, but the installation is a nightmare
Jun 22 21:12:03 <shadeslayer> agreed ^^
Jun 22 21:12:09 <rrix> stuff trying to install in to /usr, etc...
Jun 22 21:12:14 <dtzWill> rrix: I played with qt embedded at some point, iirc it had some issues re:neon intrinsics or similar. oh and yes installation is a PITA
Jun 22 21:12:19 <rrix> Some modules simply ignore -prefix
Jun 22 21:12:28 <dtzWill> we really don't have a good way of getting the useful stuff the WIDK builds onto the device usefully.
Jun 22 21:12:52 * rrix was just gonna make an ipkg by hand or scp it
Jun 22 21:13:00 <shadeslayer> rrix: i'm going to try and boot a alternative linux distro if/when i get my touchpad ^_^
Jun 22 21:13:15 <rrix> shadeslayer: I was thinking about doing that myself, but it sounded suspiciously painful
Jun 22 21:13:33 <rrix> I don't know what OOTB driver support it has, or if I'd have to rebase whatever I installed on the webos kernel patches
Jun 22 21:13:43 <shadeslayer> yeah i
Jun 22 21:13:45 <rrix> considering lspci doesn't appear to work *grumble*
Jun 22 21:13:55 <shadeslayer> *yeah i'll probably have to do some of those things
Jun 22 21:14:02 <ka6sox-farfarawa> rrix, it not there
Jun 22 21:14:12 <rrix> ka6sox-farfarawa: what isn't?
Jun 22 21:14:15 <ka6sox-farfarawa> I built it for Optware...still testing
Jun 22 21:14:17 <ka6sox-farfarawa> lspci
Jun 22 21:14:19 <dtzWill> rrix: yep kk just thought i'd make sure you weren't tripped on anything in widk :). keep us posted/let us know if you get that up please :D
Jun 22 21:14:25 <rrix> Oh. I installed it from optware, so :)
Jun 22 21:14:33 <rrix> it was silent, no output
Jun 22 21:14:38 <rrix> dtzWill: most definitely :)
Jun 22 21:14:59 <rrix> (no output on my vzw pre2, at least)
Jun 22 21:15:07 <ka6sox-farfarawa> rrix, no PCI bus I don't think.
Jun 22 21:15:14 <rrix> probably
Jun 22 21:15:17 <ka6sox-farfarawa> I am making lsusb work next
Jun 22 21:15:39 <rrix> Killer :)
Jun 22 21:16:42 <shadeslayer> good night everyone one :)
Jun 22 21:17:06 <rrix> see ya
Jun 22 21:25:20 <rrix> yay! I have a libwebos.so plugin finally!
Jun 22 21:25:32 * rrix thinks he has working install directions, now to see if … they actually work >.<
Jun 22 21:34:09 <deathy_> I'm having trouble getting WebOS Quick Install to run properly. My Pre is in Developer Mode, in just charge, and Quick Install boots, tells me it needs WebOS doctor to run, so I choose the Sprint option. It sits there for a minute and then it closes and nothing happens on my phone.
Jun 22 21:38:00 <deathy_> Anyone have any ideas?
Jun 22 21:38:40 <ka6sox-farfarawa> there really needs to be a WOSQI channel....
Jun 22 21:39:55 <Jack87> ka6sox-farfarawa, agreed
Jun 22 21:44:36 <Bradmeister1> I understand that Jason is planning to make an wosqi user manual app...
Jun 22 21:45:37 <ka6sox-farfarawa> that would be good...since we don't make that app...its tough for us to answer questions about it.
Jun 22 22:05:28 <rrix> stupid qmake apparently doesn't believe in generating binaries that follow rpath either ;(
Jun 22 22:06:39 <dwc-> rpath! psh! who needs rpath when you can break everything with LD_LIBRARY_PATH
Jun 22 22:06:57 <rrix> mm that seems... hacky :)
Jun 22 22:07:47 * rrix is about to just give up and install gcc on his phone
Jun 22 22:08:04 <rrix> That almost sounds less painful than this
Jun 22 22:32:44 * NuttyBunny_Pre2 hops around
Jun 22 23:45:27 <RMind> testing...
Jun 22 23:46:17 <oil_pre> pass
Jun 22 23:47:31 <NuttyBunny> oil_pre: The wircer name should change for those who bought the app. Instant gratification :D
Jun 22 23:48:15 <oil_pre> change the user field in advanced prefs
Jun 22 23:48:52 <oil_pre> bam
Jun 22 23:52:29 <NuttyBunny> mmm.. in the homebrew as well?
Jun 22 23:53:33 <NuttyBunny> my Pre is charging, I'm getting my hands dirrrrty with a X10 mini pro ;)
Jun 23 00:58:23 <RMind> am I still here?
Jun 23 00:58:49 <ka6sox-farfarawa> no
Jun 23 00:58:54 <RMind> cool
Jun 23 01:00:07 <oil_pre> lol
Jun 23 01:03:52 <Dvorac> Ok so I ran the meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 script and now I want to insert the tokens into the created doctor. Can I just unpack the new doctor -> edit the castle.xml file -> run make clobber?
Jun 23 01:04:48 <rwhitby> what wiki page are you following
Jun 23 01:05:33 <rwhitby> Dvorac: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade does not mention tokens at all - you are following outdated instructions.
Jun 23 01:05:44 <Dvorac> rwhitby: Changed the comm boards on pre- to pre-
Jun 23 01:06:20 <rwhitby> ah, you're doing a comms board swap, not a 2.1.0 upgrade
Jun 23 01:06:33 <rwhitby> I hope you're not trying to do both in one action
Jun 23 01:07:02 <Dvorac> rwhitby: Changed comm boards on them but my profile was on 2.1.0 and since my pre broke I wasnt able to disable backup so now I am left with my profile stuck on 2.1.0 but I have the tokens from my old pre so I was hoping to bake them in and have it all at once
Jun 23 01:07:07 <PrinceAlbert> woot! first irc post!
Jun 23 01:07:36 <rwhitby> Dvorac: what carrier?
Jun 23 01:07:43 <Dvorac> rwhitby: Sprint
Jun 23 01:08:04 <rwhitby> you need to do the swap using 1.4.5
Jun 23 01:08:42 <Dvorac> rwhitby: Gah okay. And for my palm profile? Do I do the swap then upgrade and sign in with 2.1.0?
Jun 23 01:09:16 <PuffTheMagic> PrinceAlbert, congrats
Jun 23 01:09:36 <rwhitby> use a test profile to do the comms swap
Jun 23 01:09:56 <scoutcamper> PrinceAlbert, is this a Catalog wirc or a preware wirc? :D
Jun 23 01:10:36 <Dvorac> Q2: For the tokens on 1.4.5 do I simply unpack -> edit castle.xml -> make clobber?
Jun 23 01:10:45 <Dvorac> Thanks for the help rwhitby
Jun 23 01:11:28 <rwhitby> make clobber will delete your edited castle.xml
Jun 23 01:11:49 <PrinceAlbert> wIRC is so easy to use, now I know where to ask all the 2.1 on Sprint Pre questions that are covered in the wiki
Jun 23 01:12:09 <PrinceAlbert> yep, app catalog puchase!
Jun 23 01:12:19 <oil_pre> yay
Jun 23 01:13:40 <Dvorac> rwhitby: So then just create a new castle.xml file which I get from the 1.4.5.1 doctor and add to meta-sprint-1.4.5.1 script "$make ${ARGS} CUSTOM_XML=castle.xml clobber-build all || exit"
Jun 23 01:13:56 <rwhitby> yep
Jun 23 01:14:13 <Dvorac> Got it. Thanks.
Jun 23 01:17:47 <PrinceAlbert> thanks again for all your work W-I team! I'll be back this weekend when I try the Sprint test meta doctor. =P
Jun 23 01:19:03 <PuffTheMagic> PrinceAlbert, thanks for your purchase
Jun 23 01:21:29 <ka6sox-farfarawa> does this mean its "in" finally?
Jun 23 01:24:20 <NuttyBunny> yup
Jun 23 01:24:29 <NuttyBunny> now go and buy it ;)
Jun 23 01:24:57 <Dvorac> rwhitby: Sorry to bother you with one more question but $make ${ARGS} CUSTOM_XML=castle.xml clobber-build all || exit goes where it cuttrently is just $make #{ARGS} clobber-build al || exit right?
Jun 23 01:26:03 <rwhitby> yep
Jun 23 01:32:11 <Volcom45> congratulations oil on wIRC hitting the app catalog!
Jun 23 01:32:39 <Volcom45> I'm guessing it uses a different ID? So we can't save/restore our homebrew version settings? I'm going to buy it to support you either way :)
Jun 23 02:04:12 <nohorse> thanks for shipping the wIRC app. good job!
Jun 23 02:05:12 <Volcom45> nohorse, were you able to save/restore your settings to the app catalog version?
Jun 23 02:05:15 <Volcom45> or is it a diff id?
Jun 23 02:05:34 <rwhitby> Volcom45: diff id
Jun 23 02:05:39 <Volcom45> k
Jun 23 02:05:43 <Volcom45> thx Rod
Jun 23 02:06:01 <rwhitby> to migrate, you have to unpack the cookies.sql file from the backup, then change the cookie path names in the .sql file, then pack it back into the catalog version zip file, then restore. after the next version of save/restore has been released with the catalog wirc support
Jun 23 02:06:56 <dwc-> in short: just keep using the version you've been using ;)
Jun 23 02:07:46 <Volcom45> yeah :P
Jun 23 02:08:00 <Volcom45> i'll probably buy just to support, but keep using the homebrew with all my settings
Jun 23 02:13:39 <RMind> oil, it doesn't happen if my screen stays on, but does when the screen goes off
Jun 23 02:13:58 <RMind> and nothing shows in lumberjack
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