**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 23 02:59:56 2011 Jun 23 03:01:40 whats new about the test script for sprint pre-? Jun 23 03:01:48 test scripts? Jun 23 03:01:54 2.1 scripts? Jun 23 03:02:01 yes! Jun 23 03:02:53 what do you mean "what's new"? Jun 23 03:04:19 i meta doctored to 2.1 a few months ago and just got a replacement on 1.4.5 today, i see alot of talk about test-meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 Jun 23 03:05:24 hmm... never heard of the test ones.. I want to do it :D Jun 23 03:05:34 rwhitby? Jun 23 03:06:13 i just wanted to know if they improved performance, i do know they involve voice dial from the veer Jun 23 03:06:39 voice dial works fine for me on my sprint pre- Jun 23 03:07:43 My Pre- works ok on 2.1 Jun 23 03:07:53 same here Jun 23 03:07:54 everything works, but doesn't work great or optimally Jun 23 03:08:01 hey PatrickC Jun 23 03:08:09 hey oc80z Jun 23 03:08:09 and bnceo Jun 23 03:08:10 mostly it's the switching to SMS app that slows things down Jun 23 03:08:17 i did the meta-pre to verizon-pre FW update Jun 23 03:08:20 and OCing just isn't working as much anymore. Needs RAM Jun 23 03:08:29 yes!!! the SMS lag makes it unbearable to text Jun 23 03:08:32 and i have yet to see or hear or get the time to find a patch/fix for Terminal/Terminus Jun 23 03:08:56 ya dude. I'm bad to talk to cause I did the meta doctor from cygwin and I'm told it's a bad way to go Jun 23 03:09:03 gotta do it using Linux OS, not windows Jun 23 03:09:10 yes, you do. Jun 23 03:09:18 skellatorboy: ls ./scripts/ Jun 23 03:09:27 is terminal/terminus not working? Jun 23 03:09:38 for our orig-pre+2.1 Jun 23 03:09:44 So, I have this HP Veer that I got for $50 and I've stopped playing with it Jun 23 03:09:48 wondering what to do with it now Jun 23 03:10:00 bnceo install aircrack-ng Jun 23 03:10:00 oh you got that amazon deal? Jun 23 03:10:04 start hacking wifi on the go. Jun 23 03:10:11 link? Jun 23 03:10:13 install usbutils Jun 23 03:10:15 yeah, got the amazon deal Jun 23 03:10:35 i was going to do it til i figured out i had no use for a veer Jun 23 03:10:37 dunno i bbl. Jun 23 03:10:42 wish i could getta pre 2 Jun 23 03:10:56 I figured to unlock it and bring it with me to South America along with the Pre2 Jun 23 03:11:19 which is also sitting idle (because I need a GSM phone in South America on vacay) Jun 23 03:11:36 I thought about doing the Sprint Pre2 conversion, but need the GSM phone Jun 23 03:13:08 skellatorboy: ping Jun 23 03:16:02 hrmm.. ./scripts/test-meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 doesn't work Jun 23 03:17:24 cygwin isnt supported you need ubuntu Jun 23 03:17:31 I know Jun 23 03:17:41 I'm doing it on-device ;) Jun 23 03:18:28 ls ./scripts/ works fine Jun 23 03:18:46 PatrickC: chmod +x ./scripts/test-meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 Jun 23 03:18:59 (just a guess... getting Permission Denied?) Jun 23 03:19:44 "PatrickC: 12:42:22> I'm doing it on-device ;)" Jun 23 03:19:49 that's why Jun 23 03:20:11 rwhitby: it won't run the script on-device? Jun 23 03:20:29 OpenEmbedded is not a supported platform for the meta-doctor Jun 23 03:20:40 ah Jun 23 03:20:53 is that user-changable? Jun 23 03:20:57 feel free to work out why and report back Jun 23 03:22:49 who Jun 23 03:23:15 me Jun 23 03:24:13 PatrickC: Are you making a meta doctor on-device? nice :) Jun 23 03:24:24 trying to :) Jun 23 03:26:28 Ugh Jun 23 03:26:33 why is cryptofs a vfat? Jun 23 03:27:00 wonder what the Veer will be overclockable to Jun 23 03:27:32 dunno Jun 23 03:27:33 I have a Pre2 and a Veer and the Veer feels faster at 800mhz than the Pre2 at 1ghz Jun 23 03:27:41 haven't really looked yet Jun 23 03:28:32 rod whats new about the test metadoctor for sprint? Jun 23 03:30:06 rrix: it's vfat cause that's the semantics of the underlying filesystem Jun 23 03:30:12 rrix: it sucks, I know. Jun 23 03:30:20 Feh. Jun 23 03:30:26 skellatorboy: I forget. it should be in the thread Jun 23 03:30:27 * rrix would LOVE to have symlinks right now Jun 23 03:30:47 rrix: for optware (in the optware testing feed) we do an ext3 loop Jun 23 03:31:08 Rod, perhaps this is an NDA question but can the mojo apps go fullscreen on the touchpad? saw your shoutout tweet for wirc but also know an enyo fullscreen version is in the works.. Jun 23 03:32:00 well, work on an Enyo wIRC was reported on PreCentral the other day Jun 23 03:32:33 rwhitby: Meta Doctor could run under the Pre using a loopback mounted filesystem using a big file inside /media/internal, but do you know how much space does it need? Jun 23 03:33:43 argh, 2Gb max file size for fat Jun 23 03:33:56 It should be enough ;) Jun 23 03:34:22 500MB should do it Jun 23 03:34:23 is it fat16? Jun 23 03:34:23 640k should be enough too :p Jun 23 03:34:37 fat32 has a 4GB max I thought Jun 23 03:34:38 basically it's three copies of an unpacked doctor Jun 23 03:36:02 4gb sounds right Jun 23 03:38:54 i love webos 1.4.5! Jun 23 03:39:18 4gb is overkill for a meta doctor Jun 23 03:39:44 besides, creating a 4gb zero filled file is taking ages in my laptop Jun 23 03:39:58 ah, there, it responds again :) Jun 23 03:42:28 Oops guess you can't throw away the main card. :) Jun 23 03:44:56 card.. funny ;) it would be nice to have cards on my laptop... Jun 23 03:45:11 * NuttyBunny thinks of a card like task switcher for compiz :D Jun 23 03:46:18 Haven't ever used compiz Jun 23 03:46:23 hmm Jun 23 03:46:45 webos will be comin to hp computers, so soon you will have cards on a laptop :) Jun 23 03:47:24 madmike1029: I'll see it when I believe it. I think they'll cram it inside a browser :@ Jun 23 03:47:33 I think so too Jun 23 03:47:43 true, it will be in a window Jun 23 03:47:48 well, they're crammed inside a browser right now :) Jun 23 03:47:53 prepare to be underwhelmed! Jun 23 03:47:56 but it will still be "on" your laptop...lol Jun 23 03:47:58 a browser called webos Jun 23 03:48:01 I don't even think it'll have cards tbh Jun 23 03:48:10 Bah, I have that already :P Jun 23 03:48:28 I thought Luna was the browser Jun 23 03:49:04 yeah, but luna is webos Jun 23 03:49:27 I want webOS 3.0 on smartphones. =/ Jun 23 03:49:36 it'll come Jun 23 03:49:43 (I assume) Jun 23 03:49:45 hopefully soon Jun 23 03:49:55 "legacy" smartphones? ;) Jun 23 03:50:04 lol, no Jun 23 03:50:04 Legacy: No, you don't want it Jun 23 03:50:09 you just want enyo Jun 23 03:50:13 trust me ;) Jun 23 03:50:14 yes Jun 23 03:50:20 2.1 is slow enough Jun 23 03:50:27 lawl Jun 23 03:50:30 enyo seems pretty nice Jun 23 03:50:49 2.1 isn't slow with OC I thought? Jun 23 03:50:51 I'll take new hardwarefor $200 Alex :P Jun 23 03:50:57 yeah Jun 23 03:50:58 lol Jun 23 03:51:04 I just want a pre3 for sprint :( Jun 23 03:51:24 at times, pretty slow even on a plus Jun 23 03:51:29 hmm Jun 23 03:52:22 well I have to get back to work, just wanted to test out wirc.. nice work guys Jun 23 03:53:04 Does wIRC have plans for chat log support? Jun 23 03:53:08 :) Jun 23 03:53:16 oh that be nice Jun 23 03:55:04 I think that with chatlogs it would be perfect Jun 23 03:57:45 Ok, we managed to create an ext2 fs inside a 1Gb file, PatrickC will try and make a Doctor inside it, on his Pre ;) Jun 23 03:58:10 bbl Jun 23 03:59:22 use bip for chat logs Jun 23 03:59:48 bip? Jun 23 04:01:41 is there a dif between the "prepared" version and the catalog version of wirc? Jun 23 04:02:34 preware* Jun 23 04:03:05 what is the touchpad experience like? Jun 23 04:05:13 catalog wirc does not support Jun 23 04:05:15 ssl Jun 23 04:06:17 yet Jun 23 04:07:21 cool, good to know Jun 23 04:08:38 how would I use bip with wIRC? Jun 23 04:17:02 time to get to work. Jun 23 04:40:38 at the last step... c'mon!! Jun 23 05:27:25 getting sooo far.. Jun 23 05:27:39 just need to figure out what Java is used for, and if its needed Jun 23 05:28:44 got past many obstacles already :) Jun 23 05:30:13 brick wall.. its a no-go.. stinks.. Jun 23 05:31:40 thanks for the idea, and thanks for the help NuttyBunny-zzz Jun 23 05:32:06 we'll have to wait for a java port to optware.. Jun 23 05:34:13 you still need a computer to run the actual doctor :) Jun 23 05:44:34 NuttyBunny-zzz: you don't know that you couldn't run doctor on a touchpad with usb host mode (if they have it) :) Jun 23 05:51:04 wow for some reason I'm featured prominently in a screenshot on Precentral front page. when was that shot made anyhow? Jun 23 05:52:09 lol Jun 23 05:52:11 a while ago Jun 23 05:52:23 thats the screenshot in wirc catalog Jun 23 05:52:35 hopefully what you're saying makes sense Jun 23 05:56:28 you hacker you, destinal Jun 23 06:22:55 Hey Guys Jun 23 06:23:03 hey Sonny Jun 23 06:23:25 damn Jun 23 06:23:27 There will help you with activated Palm Pre Jun 23 06:23:41 I think the seller has activated it already Jun 23 06:23:48 because it's booted up once Jun 23 06:24:02 If you activated your Palm without installing impost you won't get Pay Apps Jun 23 06:24:28 and also he has already tried to put a simcard in Jun 23 06:24:41 in order to know which network it can be on Jun 23 06:24:57 ok Jun 23 06:25:04 I think I'm screwed basically Jun 23 06:25:15 ok Jun 23 06:25:18 lemmie email the seller again Jun 23 06:25:31 will let you know when he replies Jun 23 06:25:34 ok Jun 23 06:25:45 Someone will help you in the Chat room Jun 23 06:27:31 thanks Sonny Jun 23 06:36:28 hello Jun 23 06:36:32 anybody here? Jun 23 06:36:44 I need some help Jun 23 06:37:33 yes? Jun 23 06:37:36 ~ask Jun 23 06:37:37 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Jun 23 06:38:03 I'm living in New Zealand and I've just bought a Palm Pre 2 Jun 23 06:38:12 new, or second hand? Jun 23 06:38:34 the seller says it's new Jun 23 06:38:57 never believe the seller. has it ever had a palm profile on it? Jun 23 06:39:07 but from the photos that he gave me the other day Jun 23 06:39:17 I can see it is booted up Jun 23 06:39:25 with a simcard installed Jun 23 06:39:32 is that a bad sign? :( Jun 23 06:39:39 at frist use or os screen? Jun 23 06:39:53 OS screen Jun 23 06:40:08 do you have the device yet? Jun 23 06:40:37 and where was the seller located? Jun 23 06:40:45 http://d.pr/lako here the picture Jun 23 06:40:54 I don't have the device yet Jun 23 06:41:00 it's on its way to my house Jun 23 06:41:47 from what country? Jun 23 06:42:09 he said that he won it from a competition of HP Jun 23 06:42:20 he's in New Zealand too! Jun 23 06:43:29 I'm worried =( Jun 23 06:44:02 worst case you will not be able to buy paid apps on it Jun 23 06:44:42 make sure you use Impostah to create your Palm Profile, setting it to US or UK depending on what credit card you have Jun 23 06:44:52 that's what I'm afraid of :( Jun 23 06:45:19 I just have a New Zealand credit card, how can I setup? Jun 23 06:45:46 you cannot use a new zealand credit card to buy apps Jun 23 06:46:10 do some research on "geo-restrictions" on precentral.net Jun 23 06:46:14 make a good friend in the USA Jun 23 06:46:49 here's a response from the seller just now, I hope this will help: "Hey Daniel, Jun 23 06:46:50 The phone is brand new as you will see by the packaging. There were many questions about the phones compatibility with XT so I put my sim card in the phone and logged into my HP account on the phone. I removed the sim and reset the phone back to factory settings. The phone has been factory unlocked and everything is set to how it was. The phone has not be registered or activated. Also, the lady at the post shop told me to take the batt Jun 23 06:46:50 out of the phone and wrap it separately. Jun 23 06:46:50 I hope that answers your question. Jun 23 06:46:51 Cheers mate. Jun 23 06:46:51 Tim " Jun 23 06:48:50 so base on that can you tell anything Rod? Jun 23 06:48:54 he logged into his profile on a non-approved carrier AKA no paid apps Jun 23 06:49:51 damn Jun 23 06:49:54 morning Jun 23 06:50:36 oh no Jun 23 06:50:38 :(( Jun 23 06:50:46 hmm? Jun 23 06:51:01 confirm with someone else, but thats what i gather from that email Jun 23 06:51:02 I'm screwed up Jun 23 06:51:12 thanks for your help man Jun 23 06:51:38 so basically I won't be abe to get any paid apps apart from free apps? Jun 23 06:51:47 correct Jun 23 06:51:59 oh no :( Jun 23 06:52:22 then it'll be super boring :( Jun 23 06:52:35 there's actually a pretty good number of free apps Jun 23 06:52:50 i like the phnx twitter app Jun 23 06:52:50 but yea, that kinda sucks Jun 23 06:53:27 when you get the phone, contact Palm Support. Tell them you bought the phone on Ebay, and it cannot access the app catalog. Tell them that Lisa Brewster from HP Developer Relations told you to have the issue escalated to someone who can reset your device profile on the server. Jun 23 06:54:13 If that doesn't work, contact @Adora on twitter and tell her your story Jun 23 06:56:14 Don't be hard on the seller though, it's not really his fault. Just an unfortunate consequence of Palm's business model decisions. Jun 23 06:56:36 :-X Jun 23 07:03:12 though, to be fair, it's not "new" and was sold as souch Jun 23 07:06:31 There is that. If someone described something as new, I'd hope to find it unopened. Jun 23 07:06:34 my 3d printer is almost alive http://i.imgur.com/XEkHRh.jpg -- now we just need touchpad webos apps to control it :) Jun 23 07:08:06 nice Jun 23 07:08:09 arduino based? Jun 23 07:17:00 wIRC with stacks = unbelievable IRC experience. Jun 23 07:24:21 swisstomcat: custom board but yeah, avr, runs the arduino bootloader etc Jun 23 07:32:16 @rwhitby thanks for your support Jun 23 07:32:20 :) Jun 23 07:32:39 I'll come up here again once I got my hands on the device ;) Jun 23 07:43:13 destinal: some bluetooth interface to the arduino and then an app should be possible Jun 23 07:43:28 swisstomcat: my thoughts exactly :) Jun 23 07:55:18 which arduino has bluetooth? Jun 23 08:09:18 are you there Rod? Jun 23 08:09:53 Danie7: what's up? Jun 23 08:11:02 oh I got more information from the seller Jun 23 08:11:15 I think you might understand Jun 23 08:11:29 It was my WebOS2 account. There was no credit card required. I use this account on my Palm Pre Veer now (same phone just smaller) Jun 23 08:11:39 that's what he said Jun 23 08:12:16 please let me know what it means Jun 23 08:13:07 same thing. as soon as he logged into a webOS account, it locked the device out of paid apps for ever. Jun 23 08:14:05 the app catalog access is based on the device, not the palm profile, which is why he can reuse his profile on a veer. I bet he's done the same thing with the veer and doesn't have paid apps on it either. Jun 23 08:14:58 ah, I understand now, thanks a lot Rod, I got your tips, I'll try to do it and will let you know whether is I success or not Jun 23 08:16:11 rwhitby: you can add a serial-to-bluetooth bridge Jun 23 08:17:01 swisstomcat: yeah, I've read up on it in the meantime. Jun 23 08:17:14 swisstomcat: I've registered for an arduino tutorial at OSCON Jun 23 08:17:30 Might try and get the TouchPad doing something with it. Jun 23 08:17:44 If not via USB host mode, then via bluetooth. Jun 23 08:18:02 so what do you say Rod? I mean the chances that I'll be able to get paid apps are high or low? Jun 23 08:19:54 Danie7: do you have a US or UK credit card? Jun 23 08:22:00 I don't have at the moment :( Jun 23 08:23:53 without one, the chance is zero. with one, and with help from Lisa, the chance is medium, not high. Jun 23 08:25:13 oh, there is the type of credit card that are being sold in my local post office, it's like you buy it and then top up the card in able to use it, will that work? Jun 23 08:27:11 Danie7: have you done the research I suggested? Jun 23 08:28:04 oh, sorry Rod, I forgot :P I'll do it now :) Jun 23 08:28:26 wait, what is it again? :P Jun 23 08:29:08 geo-restrictions on precentral.net forums Jun 23 08:31:06 OK Jun 23 08:33:36 according to your post ->http://forums.precentral.net/worldwide-gsm-cdma/268775-official-app-catalog-geo-restrictions.html New Zealand is not in the restriction region for app catalog, is that right? Jun 23 08:35:34 are you still there Rod? Jun 23 08:53:05 he had to step away Jun 23 08:55:40 ? Jun 23 09:44:11 hi Jun 23 09:44:28 hi Jun 23 09:44:32 thanks for the great work on webos-internals :D Jun 23 09:44:37 thanks! Jun 23 09:44:41 i love browsing around Jun 23 09:44:55 I love cereal Jun 23 09:45:12 indeed cereals are great :) Jun 23 09:45:36 especially lucky charms Jun 23 09:45:44 dont have them in germany :( Jun 23 09:46:03 too bad... they are great Jun 23 09:46:16 i tried them once i ve been to the us Jun 23 09:46:33 ahh, so you know how awesome they are Jun 23 09:46:41 yeah i do ;) Jun 23 09:46:52 coco pebbles are great also! Jun 23 09:47:37 i dont know them, but it sounds like coconut... Jun 23 09:47:42 i hate coconut ^^ Jun 23 09:48:11 frosted flakes with sunflower seeds Jun 23 09:48:26 there is no coconut in coco pebbles Jun 23 09:48:30 coco like chocolate Jun 23 09:48:33 oh Jun 23 09:48:34 haha Jun 23 09:48:35 ok ;) Jun 23 09:48:50 im going to try it when i visit the states again Jun 23 09:48:56 do it! Jun 23 09:49:00 they are great Jun 23 09:49:07 they turn your milk all chocolate Jun 23 09:49:14 thats nice Jun 23 09:49:28 well i did came for two reasons: your opinion to cereals and a question: do you think its worth to install webos2 on my palm pre? Jun 23 09:50:40 that is a personal preference Jun 23 09:50:58 I have no experience running WebOS on a Pre- or Pre+ Jun 23 09:51:03 WebOS 2.X rather Jun 23 09:51:22 I have a sprint franken-Pre2 Jun 23 09:51:52 do you know if the battery lasts even shorter with webos2? Jun 23 09:52:01 I have no experience running WebOS 2.X on a Pre- or Pre+ Jun 23 09:52:01 HP = Hijos de Puta Jun 23 09:52:24 maybe you have heard of Jun 23 09:52:35 aGaTHoS, was that really necessary? Jun 23 09:52:49 karlahund, I haven't heard word either way Jun 23 09:53:00 its ncesary for the cops to watch my intimacy ? Jun 23 09:53:51 they don't update "old" devices to webos 2.0 to sell more new phones Jun 23 09:54:04 ok i maybe i'm just going to try, thank cryptkk Jun 23 09:54:26 aGaTHoS, have you ever stopped to consider that there may be other reasons that they didn't update them? Jun 23 09:55:01 perhaps because the carriers didn't approve it, perhaps because of technical limitations of running 2.X on a Pre-, perhaps because of any number of other reasons Jun 23 09:55:32 perhaps because instead of spending dev time on putting 2.X on older devices, they instead spent dev time working on new devices Jun 23 09:56:08 perhaps because the number of older WebOS devices out there was so small they couldn't justify the financial cost of the development time Jun 23 09:58:50 technical limitation Jun 23 09:58:51 HAHAHA Jun 23 09:59:02 and you laugh because? Jun 23 09:59:23 technical limitation doesn't always mean "the phone can't run it" Jun 23 09:59:46 ok webos 2.0 adds stacking cards... Jun 23 09:59:50 pffffffff Jun 23 09:59:56 HP Jun 23 10:00:06 ... Jun 23 10:00:24 inst going to be palm a mark os HP Jun 23 10:00:28 where is palm? Jun 23 10:00:34 they have been fucked Jun 23 10:00:34 bye Jun 23 10:00:40 yes please Jun 23 10:00:42 o/ Jun 23 10:00:44 get me out here Jun 23 10:00:51 im gonna poke Jun 23 10:01:57 Mate... relax. Enjoy life. get a different phone. HP run a business, not a charity. Jun 23 10:03:04 I paid Jun 23 10:03:15 for an obsolete phone in a year? Jun 23 10:03:29 this is not bussiness this is a robery Jun 23 10:03:40 And you received. When you paid for the phone, there was no mention of specific future version that you would be able to acquire for free. Jun 23 10:04:05 aGaTHoS: please reread the channel topic. unless you have relevant discussion to that topic, feel free to vent elsewhere. Jun 23 10:04:13 You paid for a product at a point in time, with no guarantee of specific future updates. You got precisely what you paid for. Jun 23 10:05:21 I understand i paid for a hardwre I ont own Jun 23 10:05:28 I can't install another os Jun 23 10:05:33 I can't brick it Jun 23 10:05:39 can Jun 23 10:05:39 * Jun 23 10:05:51 but officially they don't give support neither Jun 23 10:06:16 aGaTHoS: which carrier are you with? Jun 23 10:06:17 well, why would they support a version of WebOS that they did not release for that device Jun 23 10:06:53 aGaTHoS: and which device are you referring to? Jun 23 10:07:13 anyway I dont care Jun 23 10:07:18 as i said Jun 23 10:07:25 i have problems much more bigger Jun 23 10:08:25 that's weird Jun 23 10:08:33 my app loads some data in the launch handler Jun 23 10:08:34 It must be exhausting to be so angry all the time. Jun 23 10:08:43 it loads it fine if I leave the card alone Jun 23 10:08:52 but it doesn't load if I minimize the card straight away Jun 23 10:10:30 phoque_uni: checked the logs? Jun 23 10:14:01 urgh Jun 23 10:14:03 Mojo is a pain Jun 23 10:14:04 :-D Jun 23 10:20:52 stbuehler, the db is still being opened Jun 23 10:20:59 it appears that the GUI isn't being updated Jun 23 10:24:46 hm Jun 23 10:25:32 I'm sending notifications Jun 23 10:25:44 I'm updating the model when I'm reactivating the card Jun 23 10:26:01 (sending modelChanged) Jun 23 10:31:09 so you verified with debug output that the model has the correct data and modelChanged got called? Jun 23 10:31:45 apparently activate() doesn't get called when I maximize the card Jun 23 10:32:51 why don't you just send modelChanged when you got the data? Jun 23 10:33:12 because I don't know how to :-D Jun 23 10:33:18 uhm Jun 23 10:33:24 I havent touched the project in quite a while Jun 23 10:33:33 so you depend on the user "reactivating" the app? Jun 23 10:33:39 no Jun 23 10:33:42 I don't want to at least Jun 23 10:33:43 :-D Jun 23 10:33:55 I am listening for the notification Jun 23 10:33:59 but it doesn't get there Jun 23 10:34:06 hm Jun 23 10:34:26 well... usually it does Jun 23 10:34:35 but in this case it seems like it doesn't Jun 23 10:34:37 first: i think you need to listen to Mojo.Event.stageActivate and Mojo.Event.stageDeactivate for minimize/maximize Jun 23 10:34:55 (that is what i found in my app right now^^) Jun 23 10:35:37 but the app should load the data even if not maximised Jun 23 10:35:42 so I am not sure if that'll help Jun 23 10:37:04 well, if you can show the source i might see what is missing Jun 23 10:37:27 I can give you access to the repository Jun 23 10:37:58 k Jun 23 10:38:13 * rwhitby notes that asking for help in this particular channel usually indicates the source is already available ... Jun 23 10:38:33 oh, right, sorry Jun 23 12:51:27 Can I get WebOS 3.0 on a Pre 2? Jun 23 12:51:44 no Jun 23 12:54:25 It's frustrating because I went from Pre+ w/ WebOS 2.1 to Pre 2 with WebOS 2.0.1 Jun 23 12:54:55 I'm afraid if I put WebOS 2.1 on my Pre2 I'll break Flash. Jun 23 12:56:08 I think Verizon is not a WebOS fan because it's so easy to change. Jun 23 12:57:55 why don't you give it a try? Jun 23 12:58:06 you should be able to go back to 2.0.1 easily Jun 23 13:01:53 true Jun 23 13:02:03 I suppose it can't hurt (too much) Jun 23 13:02:25 I need to free up some HD space for the required 10GB Jun 23 13:08:08 yeah no one has WebOS 3.0 on anything yet, let alone a phone...we're hoping it comes to the Pre2 though.. Jun 23 13:47:06 http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110623005373/en/HP-Announces-webOS-Pivot-HP-TouchPad Jun 23 13:47:14 mentioned dev pricing Jun 23 13:47:21 mentions* Jun 23 13:51:43 oooh Jun 23 13:57:34 I don't have any published apps :( Jun 23 13:58:18 is wirc restricted to certain models, by any chance? Jun 23 13:58:27 i checked just the other day on my 1.4.5 pre- and didn't see it Jun 23 13:59:14 wirc in the app cat is only available on 2.x Jun 23 13:59:20 you can still get it in preware Jun 23 14:05:33 hybrids in the app catalog automatically require 2.x due to the bugs in 1.x Jun 23 14:07:23 oh right, I forgot it was a hybrid app Jun 23 14:09:44 alright then. preware it is Jun 23 14:09:53 hybrid? Jun 23 14:11:12 uses mojo and C/C++ Jun 23 14:16:31 ah Jun 23 14:17:02 that's a real bummer, then. i love C Jun 23 14:17:32 oh well. i'm sure i can still run the stuff i write manually Jun 23 14:18:04 mornin everyont Jun 23 14:18:35 mornin' Jun 23 14:30:56 zandi: you can still do C code in 1.4.5, just not interacting with mojo Jun 23 14:31:08 what's up? Jun 23 14:31:35 you Jun 23 14:31:39 Loudergood: hmmm. maybe i could run something in C that'll interact with javascript which'll do the mojo stuff... Jun 23 14:31:49 i don't know shit about actual app dev, so whatever Jun 23 14:32:59 zandi: http://ares.palm.com ? Jun 23 14:33:26 didn't even know that existed Jun 23 14:33:50 ares is an online ide Jun 23 14:33:58 very easy, drag-and-drop Jun 23 14:34:15 minimal js knowledge required :) Jun 23 14:34:48 oh wow Jun 23 14:34:55 i didn't even know stuff like that existed Jun 23 14:34:55 yeah Jun 23 14:35:05 only Palm offers it (iirc) Jun 23 14:35:16 I made 5-6 apps with that Jun 23 14:35:18 minimal as "you don't need to know js for the graphical part"... you still need it to make your app do something .) Jun 23 14:35:21 :) Jun 23 14:36:06 but its only like "this.controller.stageController.pushScene("sceneName"); Jun 23 14:36:20 they initiate all the widgets for you Jun 23 14:36:30 yeah, it doesn't look too terrible from what i've seen in the normal webos apps Jun 23 14:37:11 zandi: if you don't know much about web dev, ares is a good place to start Jun 23 14:40:31 cool Jun 23 15:48:19 hello Jun 23 15:49:03 hey Jun 23 15:49:03 do you know how to get linkedin application id? Jun 23 15:49:22 umm.. it used to be fairly simple.. Jun 23 15:49:32 not anymore (that I know of) Jun 23 15:49:48 yep.. :( Jun 23 15:50:11 let me download it (if its free) and I'll get it the hard way ;) Jun 23 15:50:32 thank you very much! Jun 23 15:50:36 np Jun 23 15:51:19 com.linkedin.mobile Jun 23 15:52:35 that was fast Jun 23 15:52:43 thanks again! Jun 23 15:52:46 I know my way around webos ;) Jun 23 15:52:46 np Jun 23 15:53:15 let me launch impostah :) Jun 23 15:54:19 :) Jun 23 15:56:32 worked fine :) Jun 23 15:56:50 good :) Jun 23 15:58:46 is there any way to buy apps with a swedish pre in hungary? :) Jun 23 16:04:56 nomad84_: not that I know of Jun 23 16:09:22 ok, thanks Jun 23 16:09:31 and have a great day Jun 23 16:25:53 why would the email program on webos suddenly stop working.. like no longer updating? Jun 23 16:29:29 I've has a lot of issues with it on 2.1 Jun 23 16:30:40 I usually end up removing the account and then re adding it, but the problem always comes back. Jun 23 16:30:46 yeah, I'm having issues with it on my Pre2 Jun 23 16:31:04 we need a third-party email client.. Jun 23 16:31:36 I've had issues with accounts just being removed and having to add them again Jun 23 16:31:44 I agree Jun 23 16:32:50 Bradmeister1: how hard you think it'd be to make? Jun 23 16:33:45 grr.. I don't want to delete-readd.. but I have to.. :/ Jun 23 16:33:56 PatrickC: I was just wondering the same thing. Jun 23 16:34:26 I would.. but I already have too many apps on my plate lol Jun 23 16:34:45 I think the toughest thing would be handling exchange stuff Jun 23 16:35:02 like global contact lookups Jun 23 16:35:22 and exchange security in general... Jun 23 16:35:27 brb.. reboot to try and fix it Jun 23 16:41:56 reboot fixed it Jun 23 16:43:06 hmm...has anybody scripted a reboot task, for nightly reboots? Jun 23 16:44:10 Preset Reset Jun 23 16:47:50 thanks PatrickC, maybe that will improve my webos quality of life Jun 23 16:50:10 it might Jun 23 16:50:31 PatrickC: did you ever get Terminal/Terminus working on the 2.1 flash? Jun 23 16:50:39 nope.. Jun 23 17:02:20 PatrickC: sorry i couldnt be more help the other day Jun 23 17:02:33 its fine Jun 23 17:02:46 does terminus not load for you at all? Jun 23 17:03:19 it starts Jun 23 17:03:23 but doesn't do anything Jun 23 17:04:42 and there weren't any references in the jailusers file? Jun 23 17:05:30 sorry to rehash this... Jun 23 17:06:25 there were 2 refs in the jailusers file Jun 23 17:06:31 but neither were bad ones Jun 23 17:09:15 the impression i got from that write-up on p|c is that there should be only one reference Jun 23 17:33:41 Need a smart guy's help: is there a command line code I can issue to reload the wifi drivers... something like #kill wifi and then start wifi? My Sprint Pre 2 has it's wifi refuse to turn on from time to time and I want to avoid a reset when it does happen Jun 23 17:37:53 couldnt you just use "ifconfig eth0 up"? Jun 23 17:38:26 nm Jun 23 17:42:37 kill_dano: what does "ls /etc/ini.d" show? Jun 23 17:42:46 oop Jun 23 17:42:53 "ls /etc/init.d" Jun 23 17:43:00 oko hangon Jun 23 17:43:10 if you're lucky, there /might/ be something there Jun 23 17:43:12 lemmie find a mini usb Jun 23 17:43:32 btw, i'm familiar with linux, but not necessarily webos. they might've changed some things Jun 23 17:46:38 doesn;t exist Jun 23 17:46:49 webos uses upstart Jun 23 17:46:53 I think Jun 23 17:47:01 init.d doesnt exist? Jun 23 17:47:08 not there Jun 23 17:47:46 yeah, it does things different then... Jun 23 17:47:56 run "lsmod", that might be interesting Jun 23 17:48:25 shit doesn;t let me copy from the terminal Jun 23 17:49:17 h/o Jun 23 17:49:25 what are you using? novaterm, or novacom? Jun 23 17:49:56 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8104141/quick%20pic%20share/Untitled.png Jun 23 17:49:57 interesting...the patch seems to already do an rmmod Jun 23 17:50:30 novacom Jun 23 17:50:30 sd8xxx is the wifi driver Jun 23 17:50:33 kill_dano: try "ls /etc/init.d" Jun 23 17:51:15 the "ini.d" from earlier was a typo Jun 23 17:53:26 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8104141/quick%20pic%20share/Untitled2.png Jun 23 17:55:48 re Jun 23 17:56:27 I've got one more question :) Jun 23 17:57:13 terminal does launch fine on my pre, but does not give me a prompt Jun 23 17:57:28 terminus? terminal? 2.1? Jun 23 17:57:31 it does display a cursor, but no shell Jun 23 17:57:42 terminal, 2.e Jun 23 17:57:45 1 Jun 23 17:58:16 I installed xterm from preware Jun 23 17:58:20 xterm is your easiest way Jun 23 17:58:48 how do I launch xterm? Jun 23 17:58:50 kill_dano: check out /etc/init.d/networking Jun 23 17:59:18 I guess I should install it first Jun 23 18:00:02 I'm sorry, but I'm new to webos Jun 23 18:01:42 oh right, that's ok Jun 23 18:01:55 sorry if I'm a little distracted.. Jun 23 18:03:10 nope, my client is lagging, I'm on gprs Jun 23 18:04:03 btw I can't find xterm in preware Jun 23 18:05:37 hmm.. I wonder if it's beta feed only.. Jun 23 18:06:45 xterm is in the testing feeds Jun 23 18:07:01 testing feed, that's it Jun 23 18:54:56 Hi! Jun 23 18:55:24 hey Jun 23 18:55:25 How would I go about getting chatlog functionality in wIRC? Jun 23 18:55:33 chatlog? Jun 23 18:55:38 yeah Jun 23 18:55:45 what's that? Jun 23 18:55:52 like backlog? Jun 23 18:56:26 desktop irc clients have the option of recording all your messages/irc chats Jun 23 18:56:49 http://logs.nslu2-linus.org Jun 23 18:56:50 someone last night said it was possible using integration with something else Jun 23 18:57:13 oil, puffthemagic? Jun 23 18:57:47 wait, so you want to save logs using wirc? or just be able to read some of what was said when you connect? Jun 23 18:58:38 save logs Jun 23 18:59:34 You know, record messages sent/received in a text file so I could read them later Jun 23 18:59:36 eg Jun 23 19:00:03 if webOS randomly restarts or freezes up and requires a battery pull Jun 23 19:00:16 not sure you can save it Jun 23 19:02:01 yesterday someone said you could =/ Jun 23 19:02:31 webOS just glitches enough on me for me to want that functionality Jun 23 19:11:04 BIP integration Jun 23 19:11:11 that's what it is Jun 23 19:12:53 now how do I do that? =/ Jun 23 19:21:29 hi all, i have some trouble with my pre- with webos 2.1 2 week ago the mail app stop to work well, i have a gmail account, but now it only donwload the subject of the email if i try to opening one it try to donwload and but it can't,if i try to send anew email nothig. doens't send. Jun 23 19:21:53 i have tried to remove the account and readd it but nothig ... Jun 23 19:21:55 someone can help me ? Jun 23 19:27:17 Darkmagister: youre running 2.1.2 on a pre minus? Jun 23 19:27:35 yes Jun 23 19:27:50 the webos of a preplus Jun 23 19:28:13 doesnt the meta-doctor build 2.1.0? Jun 23 19:28:22 yeh Jun 23 19:28:54 mmm myabe yes :D webos 2.1.0 Jun 23 19:30:00 there have been some other email issues discussed today and no one seems to have a clear answer or reason from what ive seen Jun 23 19:30:01 sorry Jun 23 19:30:51 I think Darkmagister's issue is caused by a bad flash install... Jun 23 19:31:13 bad flag install ???? Jun 23 19:31:17 do you have flash installed? Jun 23 19:31:24 flash install ? Jun 23 19:31:33 adobe flash? Jun 23 19:31:35 mmm adobe flash ? Jun 23 19:31:41 i think yes Jun 23 19:31:55 yes, I remember seeing this issue before. Jun 23 19:31:55 but what is the problem with the email ? Jun 23 19:31:57 yes adobe flash Jun 23 19:33:04 somehow...if flash hasn't been installed correctly it won't show you the message body in an email. Jun 23 19:33:30 mmmm ... and how can i install or remove flash ? Jun 23 19:34:26 I'm not sure why this the case, but several people had this problem. And I think the best resolution was using a flashless webOS, Ir removing the flash components. Jun 23 19:35:03 let me try to find the thread...I think it was in the PC forums Jun 23 19:35:48 mmm Jun 23 19:36:00 how did you install flash? Jun 23 19:36:25 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Adding_flash_support Jun 23 19:36:35 i don't remember ... i think is included on the webos ... or from preware ... i dont' remember Jun 23 19:41:42 does it list it as an installed app in preware? Jun 23 19:42:05 no Jun 23 19:42:27 i think that is included in webos Jun 23 19:42:28 doctor Jun 23 19:48:18 I can't find the thread, but I am pretty sure that an issue similar to yours was caused by flash. Jun 23 19:49:52 ok thanks ... i go to search some info in the forum ;) Jun 23 19:51:12 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-pre-plus/277428-email-body-missing-after-upgrade-2-1-a.html Jun 23 19:51:25 here some info ... maybe i can try to reinstall flash Jun 23 19:58:17 i think it's better if i rebuild the doctor .... Jun 23 19:58:32 someone have the link of the howto :D Jun 23 19:59:38 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade Jun 23 20:00:07 thanks ;) Jun 23 20:05:06 Had some problems with email Jun 23 20:06:06 signed into gmail in the browser, said there was suspicious account activity Jun 23 20:06:30 changed my password, then reauthenticated with webOS and it worked again Jun 23 20:53:49 Hi Jun 23 20:54:44 hello Jun 23 20:55:45 someone know if the 3G touchpad will make calls without any other connected devices, as Veer or Pre 3? Jun 23 21:00:11 what 3G touchpad? Jun 23 21:00:50 apparently the FCC has seen one Jun 23 21:01:08 for AT&T Jun 23 21:01:17 if the 3G version of Touchpad will make standard calls... (as a standard smartphone!) - and not as the Apple iPad... Jun 23 21:01:47 that it can't... Jun 23 21:02:08 DMeister, I know its announced....but not seen one in the wild... Jun 23 21:02:14 nobdy outside of palm/HP knows at this point Jun 23 21:02:18 nobody Jun 23 21:02:18 so thats an UNK now. Jun 23 21:02:31 what Loudergood said ^^^ Jun 23 21:02:33 oh that's pity... Jun 23 21:02:50 DMeister, its unknown..not "doesn't do it" Jun 23 21:02:58 well...it's not like it's going to be available soon Jun 23 21:03:24 Yeah I'm understanding... Jun 23 21:04:15 good to do your research though..then you wont buy the wrong cpu off ebay like I did this week Jun 23 21:05:12 well, the choice between a Touchpad wi-fi version and a Pre 3 is win (for me) by the last one, even if a Touchpad 3G may... :P Jun 23 21:10:13 where's the best place to bug you guys about a wirc bug? Jun 23 21:12:20 #wirc Jun 23 21:12:20 at least I think it's a bug..it may be a feature Jun 23 21:12:24 ooh right Jun 23 21:12:34 either oil or puffthemagic Jun 23 21:18:02 does anyone know if the version 1.1.9 of Palm/HP Mobile Hotspot of the Veer makes some improvements than the Pre 2 version (1.1.4) ? Jun 23 21:21:07 Loudergood, that is an awesome bug! Jun 23 21:21:18 Loudergood, think im gonna mark that 'wont fix' Jun 23 21:21:31 heh Jun 23 21:37:41 does it trigger on good too? Jun 23 21:47:28 I am not sure if a 3G TouchPad will make traditional calls without a connected cell phone, since you (likely) will pay for a data plan, not a voice and data plan, with your carrier Jun 23 21:47:46 However, the TouchPad does support calls through a connected webOS phone, and over data using Skype Jun 23 21:47:58 I think that probably covers all your bases Jun 23 21:48:13 (I know the question was an hour ago, but I thought I'd throw it in here) Jun 23 22:03:17 * Loudergood marks PuffTheMagic 'wont fix' Jun 23 22:04:36 don't know why it didn't occur to me to report that months ago Jun 23 22:12:24 Loudergood, its happend since months ago? Jun 23 22:12:44 yesterday as a matter of fact Jun 23 22:12:59 what's up? PuffTheMagic: wIRC is working great now with 0.4.4& Jun 23 22:13:03 0.4.4* Jun 23 22:13:19 I don't use wirc frequently, as usually I can RDP to this machine Jun 23 22:13:42 but charter cable had issues yesterday, so wirc it was Jun 23 22:14:13 lol Jun 23 22:14:14 charter Jun 23 22:14:23 thats the same company oil uses Jun 23 22:16:00 my other option is 3Mb fairpoint DSL Jun 23 22:16:16 hey, I have 3MB DSL :P Jun 23 22:16:20 and I'm not touching fairpoint with a 10' pole Jun 23 22:16:51 they have so many problems, I hear all about them at work Jun 23 22:23:49 thats the same company oil uses Jun 23 22:23:53 oops Jun 23 22:25:12 scrollback? Jun 23 22:26:55 hi Jun 23 22:29:43 how can I extract the ipkg of the newest version of Mobile Hotspot, 1.1.9 from the Veer, to bring it in the pre? Jun 23 22:29:55 why would u do that Jun 23 22:29:59 when u can use freeTether Jun 23 22:30:23 freeTether FTW Jun 23 22:31:30 is the same thing I said to my users, but they say they would prefer to use mobile Hotspot... (who understands them is good xD) Jun 23 22:32:06 so here I am ... you know how can I do? Jun 23 22:33:38 it should be in the Veer Doctor Jun 23 22:33:49 (dunno) :) Jun 23 22:35:09 Dmeister: what job do you have? I wish I could support pre's and veers all day... Jun 23 22:35:34 Bradmeister1: you really don't =] Jun 23 22:35:45 haha Jun 23 22:35:47 oh great! thanks Nutty... :) Jun 23 22:38:59 Bradmeister our nickname has the same basic ... xD amazing... so U know how extract from the veer's doctor this ipkg? Jun 23 22:39:30 7 zip Jun 23 22:40:00 hahaha Jun 23 22:40:14 that's why i love that doctors are .jar files Jun 23 22:40:21 so easy to modify Jun 23 22:40:39 yeah in what folder? Jun 23 22:41:00 I think might be called carriers? Jun 23 22:41:10 it's pretty deep Jun 23 22:41:48 does anyone know off hand, where the carrier specific apps are stored? Jun 23 22:42:18 * scoutcamper is firing up winrar Jun 23 22:43:30 /resources/.tar Jun 23 22:44:41 thanks scoutcamper! Jun 23 22:44:49 what he said Jun 23 22:45:03 though i haven't played around with it much to see what sort of changes it has Jun 23 22:45:16 ie: i don't know if wiping it clean would leave you with a good flash Jun 23 23:11:38 thanks at all! all do! Jun 23 23:15:24 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/webos-2-1-update-available-for-verizon-pre2-users/ Jun 23 23:15:44 finally? Jun 23 23:15:47 I was just reading that Jun 23 23:16:22 at least Verizon is still pushing updates. Jun 23 23:16:51 pixi plus got one a few weeks ago, pre 2 now. Jun 23 23:17:36 * scoutcamper pokes his vzw pre2 Jun 23 23:17:44 nope, no update for me yet Jun 23 23:17:57 when did sprint give us an update? More than a year ago... Jun 23 23:18:08 no doctor for verizon 2.1.0 yet either Jun 23 23:18:14 keep poking it Jun 23 23:42:06 scoutcamper: update? Jun 23 23:42:14 nothing yet Jun 23 23:53:09 we need a patch for things on the web like "Choose file to upload" to allow us to upload from a webOS device Jun 23 23:54:35 I think PuffTheMagic said he would build an FTP client once he's less busy Jun 23 23:54:46 Sounds like that would solve that scenario Jun 23 23:55:56 kinda.. Jun 23 23:56:39 but it wouldn't solve it for things like Blast Groups Jun 24 00:09:37 update just landed Jun 24 00:09:48 didnt check size, allready dl'ing it Jun 24 00:09:50 :D Jun 24 00:10:04 Has 2.1 been out for unlocked Pre 2 devices? Jun 24 00:10:13 I can't remember what mine has Jun 24 00:10:28 device info Jun 24 00:10:38 singmajesty: yeah Jun 24 00:10:40 (It's off) Jun 24 00:10:50 I took its SIM and put it in a Pre 3 Jun 24 00:10:54 it came out for unlocked devices a while ago Jun 24 00:10:55 Then took it and put it in a Veer Jun 24 00:11:03 I'll take the sim please :) Jun 24 00:11:05 (I guess I like small phones better?) Jun 24 00:11:23 so, now we know the Pre³ has SIM GSM capabilities :P Jun 24 00:11:24 wait, Pre3? Jun 24 00:11:28 Maybe that's one of the reasons why I impulsively wanted more TouchStones Jun 24 00:11:36 So you can charge the armada simultaneously Jun 24 00:11:42 Gotta' charge my fleet! Jun 24 00:11:49 A flotilla Jun 24 00:11:58 Well, mine does Jun 24 00:12:10 Prototype devices could go to the moon and back Jun 24 00:12:14 Doesn't mean that's retail :) Jun 24 00:12:51 hehehehe Jun 24 00:14:25 but they already said the Pre³ was GSM/CDMA world phone.. Jun 24 00:15:09 but if you used the sim from the Pre³ in the veer.. then either the Pre³ was AT&T, or the veer+Pre³ were unlocked.. :) Jun 24 00:17:00 or both the devices are LTE...and that is why they have sim cards!!! Jun 24 00:20:10 lol Jun 24 00:22:19 I'm glad I brought the Pre 2 with me to Europe, though. I literally was in France, middle of nowhere in a Taxi, when my phone died with the address I was meeting someone Jun 24 00:22:41 Then I remembered I brought the Pre 2 as an extra and kept it fully charged, swapped it out and figured out where I needed to go. Jun 24 00:23:00 Being lost in a foreign country is not ideal Jun 24 01:03:55 hi, is there a reason why when i search for preware via webos quick install it says that there are "no packages found"? Jun 24 01:13:51 are you on apps tab? Jun 24 01:13:57 *the Jun 24 01:18:18 yay I might get an android phone tomorrow Jun 24 01:18:59 but its sprint so it might be a pain in the butt to activate with page plus Jun 24 01:19:27 worst comes worse it'll be an awesome wifi phone Jun 24 01:21:41 I like my palm pixi but I just need wifi calling sometimes Jun 24 01:27:45 yeah i figured it out. I restarted my comp and it worked perfectly Jun 24 01:29:46 random Jun 24 01:42:42 what's goin on? Jun 24 01:42:52 singmajesty: I got the payment Jun 24 01:46:57 hey rwhitby-tp Jun 24 01:47:01 huzzah I might be gettin my android backup phone tomorrow Jun 24 01:47:22 :/ Jun 24 01:47:57 its only going to be used for wifi calling my pixi is my main phone Jun 24 01:48:50 ah Jun 24 01:49:36 * PatrickC doesn't usually want to go to Wal-Mart... but.... I WANT TO!! Jun 24 01:50:09 I just need it as a home phone that I can use without using my minutes Jun 24 01:50:22 minutes are for when I am out and about Jun 24 01:51:14 wifi is for home Jun 24 01:53:26 * NuttyBunny is envious. Not saying hello to rwhitby-tp :P Jun 24 01:53:33 hehehe Jun 24 01:53:41 just "hi" rwhitby-tp Jun 24 01:53:48 tp = tiny phone Jun 24 01:54:06 haha Jun 24 01:54:17 ah, right! Veer! ;) Jun 24 01:54:23 NuttyBunny: you'll thank me when you use full-screen mojo wIRC next month ... Jun 24 01:54:24 heh Jun 24 01:54:38 scales great :) Jun 24 01:54:45 that is what I hate about cell phone carriers I just won't get a data plan because they always say unlimited but unlimited is 2gb Jun 24 01:54:53 full-screen mojo? :) Jun 24 01:55:04 not on sprint Jun 24 01:55:07 rwhitby: Next month, if I manage to get one for free. If not, it will take more time :S Jun 24 01:55:07 afaik Jun 24 01:55:44 sprint doesn't throttle after so much? Jun 24 01:56:06 not that I've seen Jun 24 01:56:19 and I've used over 1000MB roaming.. :P Jun 24 01:56:41 its like $50 a month? Jun 24 01:56:55 idk how much Jun 24 01:56:59 my parents pay it Jun 24 01:57:02 technically if you use more than 300MB of roaming a month they can, and have done so before, cancel your contract Jun 24 01:57:26 really? Jun 24 01:57:34 I must have gotten lucky? Jun 24 01:57:37 yup. Jun 24 01:57:42 my parents pay it <-----I instantly hate you Jun 24 01:57:51 :P Jun 24 01:58:04 lol, I'm 15 :P Jun 24 01:58:58 well wehn you get my age you will find that $50 a month for internet is too goddamn much Jun 24 01:59:20 but I digress Jun 24 01:59:20 get a 4G mifi? Jun 24 02:01:06 when it comes to cellphone companies Capitalism doesn't work Jun 24 02:01:15 So I'm about to the point of giving up on getting widk and qmake to not fight and just installing gcc et al on my phone or a spare pre- my friend has Jun 24 02:02:14 you'll want a Pre+ or Pre2 at least to compile Jun 24 02:02:27 otherwise you'll be thrashing swap in flash Jun 24 02:02:41 True, I hadn't thought of that Jun 24 02:02:43 * rrix sighs Jun 24 02:02:50 the US has like 3 options when Japan has all kinds of options that come to barely a quarter what we are paying Jun 24 02:03:37 thats why I have pre-paid for the stars and bars and wifi phone for europe Jun 24 02:05:00 heh Jun 24 02:05:05 i thought rrix said wicd Jun 24 02:05:17 ewww :P Jun 24 02:05:26 PatrickC did you get terminal/terminus workin? Jun 24 02:05:33 nope Jun 24 02:05:35 rrix i was about to suggest nm-cli Jun 24 02:06:11 * rrix just uses the kde applet, no need for nm-cli really Jun 24 02:06:27 unless you mean running NM on my phone, which would just be a little mad ;) Jun 24 02:06:36 create a capture control, then this.$.capture_screen.call Jun 24 02:06:47 (screenshot) Jun 24 02:06:49 hows the veer treatin ya rw Jun 24 02:06:53 screenshit.. hehehe Jun 24 02:07:16 depends Jun 24 02:07:44 bbl Jun 24 02:08:16 has development stopped on linphone? Jun 24 02:08:47 just sorta curious there Jun 24 02:09:45 dunno. haven't seen Thibaud for a while. Jun 24 02:09:55 it probably works well enough for him. Jun 24 02:11:21 i've personally gotten it to connect but never any audio Jun 24 02:12:59 on sipgate Jun 24 02:22:02 hope 1.9 was a marked improvement Jun 24 02:22:39 i'd pay him for the app if everything was ironed out Jun 24 02:25:45 sounds like a month worth of work Jun 24 02:27:14 if he could get it in the app store i'd pay Jun 24 02:29:48 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.textone.app Jun 24 02:30:13 bwa ha ha ha ha I am better than you raster Jun 24 02:31:03 I can be enlarged many times while you go pixelated Jun 24 02:31:45 lol sorry had to do that Jun 24 02:32:11 enhance! Jun 24 02:32:17 Vic_Sage: aaah but no matter what you must become a raster to be seen! Jun 24 02:32:27 zoom in on that water droplet! Jun 24 02:32:30 so your path lies through me.. no matter what Jun 24 02:32:31 now flip the image and zoom in! Jun 24 02:32:32 :) Jun 24 02:32:47 and haven't u seen CSI Jun 24 02:32:54 they can infinitely enhance rasters anyway Jun 24 02:32:55 :) Jun 24 02:32:58 lol Jun 24 02:33:05 LMAO Jun 24 02:33:32 as oil says Jun 24 02:33:50 zoom in on water droplet in b& w security cam image Jun 24 02:33:51 don't forget to pan that image Jun 24 02:33:58 then zoom in on the reflection Jun 24 02:33:58 haven't you seen flash I can be viewed as an SWF therefore foiling your evil razterization Jun 24 02:34:06 and zoom in on the window relfect3ed in the drop Jun 24 02:34:14 then zoom in on the mirror seen thru the window Jun 24 02:34:16 and presto Jun 24 02:34:22 u can see the culprit! Jun 24 02:34:23 :) Jun 24 02:34:35 best one I ever saw was the reflection off of an eyeball Jun 24 02:34:50 Vic_Sage: an SWf gets rasterized in order to get to your framebuffer Jun 24 02:34:53 to get to your screen Jun 24 02:34:55 MWHAHAHAHAHA Jun 24 02:45:14 rwhitby: did he ever put linphone into a feed? Jun 24 02:45:51 even if it's not perfect, it would be cool to be able do install it easily Jun 24 02:46:14 yeah **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 24 02:59:57 2011