**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 25 02:59:57 2011 Jun 25 03:00:18 i got some stuff id like to get on this rev. more suitable for the cpu. Jun 25 03:00:25 what are they devvin' ? Jun 25 03:00:27 the stuff i put on the pre-1 Jun 25 03:00:48 i did a remote sync for linux, tethering Jun 25 03:01:20 someone's giving me a pre plus Jun 25 03:01:31 so if someone can hack up a 3.0 for it, that'd be awesome Jun 25 03:01:42 I thought the point of 2.1.2 was so that it could do tts? Jun 25 03:02:05 hacking the dnsserver , some other things here and there that made a difference with packet mgmt. Jun 25 03:14:33 were the specs eh Jun 25 03:16:22 heh Jun 25 03:16:34 lookin at the engadget head-to-head * 2 Jun 25 03:16:50 d00d its 4G? Jun 25 03:17:18 the one coming in july 1st is wifi only Jun 25 03:17:26 oh hell no. Jun 25 03:17:45 I hear the 3g/4g coming late summer Jun 25 03:18:06 i need to get the hspda+ Jun 25 03:18:10 so its world+ Jun 25 03:18:26 dunno what LTE is doing. Jun 25 03:19:03 4g in sales means wimax, lte, hspa+ Jun 25 03:20:29 so ipad2 has 25Wh battery, and hp tab 6,300 mAh Jun 25 03:20:59 oc80z: yeah, next friday Jun 25 03:21:01 the 1st Jun 25 03:21:03 i think thi sis misleading Jun 25 03:21:29 i'd like that 4G Jun 25 03:22:29 watt hours and milliamp hours Jun 25 03:23:16 is that less mAh?? Jun 25 03:23:25 like 2500 mAh? Jun 25 03:24:08 I think 3g/4g versions of tablet is unnecessary since I can just tether it to my phone Jun 25 03:24:49 yeaa. but when the phone is 3g.. Jun 25 03:25:39 i was messin with the new samsung 10.1 tablet Jun 25 03:26:43 * oil is perfectly ok with wifi Jun 25 03:27:04 not having to pay carrier any more money when i dont particularly like them in the first place Jun 25 03:27:13 * halfhalo wants 3g. and gps Jun 25 03:27:20 wifi tabs are perfect imo Jun 25 03:27:29 I didn't realize HP had figured out the up-gesture on the TP Jun 25 03:27:39 do they do it like RIM did? Jun 25 03:27:59 or is there some hidden gesture area that I missed? Jun 25 03:28:30 it uses the pixels around the edges of the screen, a one pixel wide layer to detect the up gesture Jun 25 03:28:46 oh, so the same way the Playbook does it Jun 25 03:28:57 that's still really cool Jun 25 03:29:03 I'm so dependent on that gesture Jun 25 03:29:19 yeah, no hardware gesture area, it's not needed much in a tablet, too big Jun 25 03:29:26 right Jun 25 03:29:27 phones is a different story Jun 25 03:29:53 I like the back-gesture, but I open the app launcher exclusively by swiping up Jun 25 03:29:56 yoo Jun 25 03:30:05 the hp opal is 7" ?? Jun 25 03:30:18 yeah I think so oc80z Jun 25 03:30:22 hmmph Jun 25 03:30:28 oc80z: that's the rumor anyway Jun 25 03:30:30 and the back gesture is very useful... Jun 25 03:31:16 and the two finger swipe up to get the launche directly is good as well Jun 25 03:31:26 launcher* Jun 25 03:32:20 I think it was decided that the two-finger swipe is just two up-swipes registering one after another Jun 25 03:33:01 probably, but was it there in 1.x? Jun 25 03:33:32 well, in theory it should work in 1.x Jun 25 03:33:36 I never tried Jun 25 03:34:03 neither did I, when I had my Pre - Jun 25 03:34:38 I'm on 2.x on my pre-, otherwise I'd check Jun 25 03:34:41 whoa Jun 25 03:34:54 * rrix just learned something new today (two finger swipe) :P Jun 25 03:34:57 I'm probably going to wait for the 7" touchpad Jun 25 03:35:12 not me, 7" tablets feel too small to me Jun 25 03:35:14 I think 9.7" is too big Jun 25 03:35:32 I've had ipad1 before, it was awkward to use Jun 25 03:35:48 I have ipad2 and galaxy 10.1 tab now Jun 25 03:35:55 and they're kinda big Jun 25 03:36:01 yeh, when I played with the Galaxy Tab 7", it just seems like an awkward size Jun 25 03:36:04 I use my nook color the post Jun 25 03:36:06 most* Jun 25 03:36:09 I had the Archos 7 gen 8 tablet and it was too small, not big enough to use your hands to type like a keyboard but too big for thumbs Jun 25 03:36:15 like, the screen feels too small to use, but it's too big to hold in my hand Jun 25 03:36:16 I fit that in my pants pocket easily Jun 25 03:36:44 heh Jun 25 03:36:47 I have a Kindle DX, I don't mind the 9.8" size Jun 25 03:36:51 I 2-thumb the nook color when I type in portrait Jun 25 03:36:59 yeah Jun 25 03:37:09 I hate carrying a bag around just to hold the ipad2 Jun 25 03:37:20 shit, Jun 25 03:37:21 oh, I carry a bag all the time anyway Jun 25 03:37:23 ppl are sketchy man Jun 25 03:37:28 I'm using my TP for school, I always have a bag Jun 25 03:37:32 with the nook color 7", I just put it in my front pocket Jun 25 03:37:35 i shit you not i was charging one by the windows Jun 25 03:37:44 and some kid tried to break in, then came in the front, just to steal it Jun 25 03:37:54 u want that in a bag Jun 25 03:38:12 too bad my tp comes july 20th -_- damn canada Jun 25 03:38:26 hop the border Jun 25 03:38:27 ppl go ape shit over it. its bullshit, dont you know its locked down! Jun 25 03:38:42 hmmph marc Jun 25 03:38:52 well you;ll get the info when it comes out u know Jun 25 03:38:52 I keep the 7" tab in my pocket Jun 25 03:38:56 they can come and fight me for it Jun 25 03:38:58 haha, that's a while away and I doubt I'll be able to do that in my parents car Jun 25 03:39:02 yeah speaking of what tablets are for Jun 25 03:39:07 whats good for the reading apps? Jun 25 03:39:13 oh I know, I can't wait Jun 25 03:39:15 i use ah, whats that one call Jun 25 03:39:16 let me look Jun 25 03:39:23 Stanza Jun 25 03:39:30 for iPad.. Jun 25 03:39:38 for android, I use pdf to go but I hear fbreader is good Jun 25 03:39:40 its linux friendl, over the air wifi book sharing.. Jun 25 03:39:42 its epicc good.. Jun 25 03:39:49 get someone to try and port Stanza? Jun 25 03:39:53 the TP will have kindle Jun 25 03:39:56 for ipad2, I just use the ibook Jun 25 03:40:06 touche, kindle Jun 25 03:40:08 marclh server stanza is opensource, dunno about the reader Jun 25 03:40:19 but yr right Jun 25 03:40:21 ill check Jun 25 03:40:32 id drop $50 for the app. Jun 25 03:40:40 Somebody want to help me? Jun 25 03:40:46 I don't really read books so it doesn't really matter for me haha Jun 25 03:40:48 brb Jun 25 03:41:00 sure bubby323, I'll try Jun 25 03:41:09 marclh: stanza's open source? Jun 25 03:41:30 don't know, destinal Jun 25 03:41:36 I redoctored my Pre 2 to get it on my palm profile and it restored everything and all of that but under messaging > accounts & preferences it says SMS account Dr. SkippedFirstUse Jun 25 03:41:39 fbreader's probably more likely of a port Jun 25 03:41:44 but it's decent I hear Jun 25 03:41:48 But under Device Settings its my email Jun 25 03:42:12 fbreader should be pretty easy to port Jun 25 03:42:28 can you send SMS? or is it just an account that you don't need? Jun 25 03:42:37 I don't see anything on the stanza website about it being open source Jun 25 03:42:50 It's written frontend-agnostic, so you could easily whip something up in SDL, or just use the Qt in preware. Jun 25 03:43:07 fbreader is? Jun 25 03:43:10 I didn't know that Jun 25 03:43:20 there's gtk and qt frontends, already Jun 25 03:43:38 its a compile-time thing, but you can swap them fairly easily Jun 25 03:43:45 interesting Jun 25 03:43:58 * rrix <3 fbreader :) Jun 25 03:44:13 I only used it briefly on my netbook as an ereader Jun 25 03:44:24 then I cracked the screen on my netbook :( Jun 25 03:44:39 * rrix used it when he didn't have a PalmOS device, but had lots of plucker stuff he wanted to read Jun 25 03:44:45 has tons of native format support Jun 25 03:46:16 heh, the only palmos device I had had way too small of a screen to do any reading on Jun 25 03:46:32 My T|X mostly worked for it Jun 25 03:46:47 I had a centro :) Jun 25 03:46:55 ahh, yeah. :) Jun 25 03:47:12 * rrix wonders how his Pre2 would handles as an idle bus-stop reader Jun 25 03:47:18 screen is smaller Jun 25 03:49:42 does the tp support skype to pc video chat? most tabs dont... Jun 25 03:50:01 That's unknown until the 1st im afraid.. Jun 25 03:50:09 ah damn Jun 25 03:50:14 I know right.. Jun 25 03:50:26 it's a major selling point for me Jun 25 03:50:39 my netbook lagged like hell doing video chats Jun 25 03:50:54 so I sold it for my tp fund :D Jun 25 03:51:23 Nice Jun 25 03:52:20 and a netbook is annoying to take to college, especially with a 9 cell battery to last the day... Jun 25 07:11:46 good morning Jun 25 07:42:29 is there an ssh client for webos (other than cli ssh)? Jun 25 09:08:25 There's a puTTY in the app catalog, but it looks like it has mixed reviews. Also not free, like 3$ Jun 25 09:13:37 rrix: it also needs a program on a Windows PC to work. it's a fail. Jun 25 09:34:51 Does it? Jun 25 09:34:56 and it calls itself putty? Jun 25 09:35:04 That's... reallllly failtastic. Jun 25 11:10:32 hi,someone can help me to know how can i create an UI in js+html and connect it to a c app and package it for the palm pre ???1 Jun 25 11:10:33 hi Jun 25 11:19:37 why if I increase the value of the compcache up to 96 Mb, Govnah can't set that value, reintroducing 32 mb?? Jun 25 11:36:35 why if I increase the value of the compcache up to 96 Mb, Govnah can't set that value, reintroducing 32 mb?? Jun 25 12:36:52 how do I get to USB mode w/o touchscreen? Jun 25 12:46:41 nvm, got it Jun 25 13:28:50 Hi, Can I connect my pixi running web0s 1.4.5 with uber kernel to ad-hoc wifi network? Jun 25 13:29:10 I thought the Pixi- doesn't have WiFi Jun 25 13:29:53 I do have, but allows to connect only to infrastructure ones. but I have access to terminal, so was just thinking if its possible.. Jun 25 15:03:51 any germans online able to help with a quick translation? Jun 25 15:40:49 PuffTheMagic: wIRC bug. when trying to connect it sent my phone into a luna boot Jun 25 16:06:54 lol Jun 25 16:07:14 yeah.. :P Jun 25 16:07:31 http://mobile.twitter.com/veitia/status/84649661977198592 Jun 25 16:07:38 demo units at best buy Jun 25 16:08:14 that's a much bigger bug than the one I reported Jun 25 16:08:40 what happened to you? Jun 25 18:19:08 morning guys Jun 25 22:33:57 greetings Jun 25 22:34:38 anyone alive in here? Jun 25 22:39:35 heh Jun 25 22:42:40 buk buk Jun 25 22:42:46 we're all chickens here :I Jun 25 22:44:58 Hello Jun 25 22:45:01 again Jun 25 22:46:02 welcome back Jun 25 22:46:33 firefox update killed me ^_^ Jun 25 22:47:06 Does anyone has experience with the synergy plugins? Jun 25 22:47:59 no, no one ;) what are you looking for? Jun 25 22:48:15 haha good was hoping u are alive :-D Jun 25 22:48:39 * NuttyBunny hides Jun 25 22:48:39 I was somehow unhappy with the web2sms app for O2 GErmany Jun 25 22:48:46 :-D Jun 25 22:48:51 oh where is NB?? Jun 25 22:48:56 :-) Jun 25 22:49:05 think I PMed that before Jun 25 22:49:07 web2sms Jun 25 22:49:27 right now it is a standalone app Jun 25 22:49:38 which is annoying... like extra login, keeps its own history Jun 25 22:49:39 etc Jun 25 22:49:56 so I thought of integrating it into the synergy messaging Jun 25 22:50:00 like the plugins Jun 25 22:50:25 since I couldn't motivate a developer to take a look Jun 25 22:50:54 I looked into the developer documentation of Palm for the synergy stuff Jun 25 22:51:26 It's vague Jun 25 22:51:26 however content seems to need.... let's say improvement Jun 25 22:51:29 well, the way Greg did it is with a couple of "transport" files (imaccountvalidator and imlibpurpletransport), you could grab the source for both and play around, I don't know of other way to do messaging, the source is in opensource.palm.com Jun 25 22:51:46 like, uncomfortably vague :/ Jun 25 22:51:48 yes, I looked at it... Jun 25 22:51:59 I think it could be way easier with the web2sms thing Jun 25 22:52:00 I was looking at it and it's sparse to the point of being near useless Jun 25 22:52:39 the web2sms is based on Javascript Jun 25 22:52:51 like logging in to the website and send the sms Jun 25 22:53:10 you can look the callbacks in the transports and use those with js (I suppose) Jun 25 22:53:11 I hoped to integrate that into the messaging with my own transport Jun 25 22:54:04 Ok, how the hell do they expect me to play Team Fortress? It requires 10Gb of free space and I have 500Mb ;) Jun 25 22:54:12 sorry, go on Jun 25 22:54:30 öh... yes... Jun 25 22:54:57 yeah... big BUT... I am not a developer... I did some programming like ten years ago, so I can make sense out of the tutorial and how the synergy thing should work Jun 25 22:55:08 however I am not able to get it off Jun 25 22:55:48 I was able to integrate the create account part... so my modest wish would have been to just get a log entry when I create the account Jun 25 22:55:52 so far no luck Jun 25 22:56:20 so (after this lengthy intro) is there any more documentation on the synergy stuff? Jun 25 22:57:00 aaaaaah... pff.. I really don't think so... you could ask chuq, or in the Palm forums, but I don't think they haven't made much improvement there... Jun 25 22:57:15 they still have the same messaging protocols in .... well.. you know where : Jun 25 22:57:57 Who knows, maybe the reason it's so sparse is because it's getting changed in 3.0/Enyo again Jun 25 22:58:35 I'm still holding to the dream that Sprint will get a Pre3 slate that will be the flagship 3.0 phone :p Jun 25 22:59:09 not sure why they don't have stuff... I even feel the tutorial is not working too well Jun 25 22:59:49 I thought of using the messaging plugins and get the idea out of that... Jun 25 23:00:08 but good to know that there is not much more out there... Jun 25 23:00:10 SineOt: It's not changing, I guess it almost the same sh*t Jun 25 23:00:33 the interface may change, b/c of enyo, but the innards.. the same Jun 25 23:00:51 good/bad... 2.x plugins should work with minimal effort Jun 25 23:01:22 argh, 5Gb more.. help? ;) Jun 25 23:01:32 buy a bigger drive? :I Jun 25 23:01:45 troubles with 5gb? Jun 25 23:02:31 well, baobab won't help me much, I must have tons of really small files :( Jun 25 23:03:31 so, some related question Jun 25 23:03:42 in case of I get that far, that it works Jun 25 23:04:14 is there a possibility to show a popup in the messaging app, while sending a message over the new transport? Jun 25 23:05:05 popup? should be, but if you're trying to do it as plugins, you should go the way the messaging app works, your transport will talk to the messaging app, and it will send a notification, just like the normal messaging app does Jun 25 23:05:54 hmmm... not sure if we are talking about the same Jun 25 23:06:04 first I only want to send msgs Jun 25 23:06:12 so my idea behind it Jun 25 23:06:31 as soon as i hit the send in the msg app, it logs in to the SMS service, sends the sms Jun 25 23:06:40 A Synergy transport will hook the stock messaging app up with your which in this case is the sms2web thingy Jun 25 23:07:05 at that point I want to popup a dialog to show the amount of free SMS left. Jun 25 23:07:19 Don't think that you could do that, but I dunno. Jun 25 23:08:20 aaaahhh Jun 25 23:08:47 *thinking* Jun 25 23:08:50 still 5gb missing? Jun 25 23:09:02 no, I need just 2 more ;) Jun 25 23:10:21 I don't know how feasible is that you could subscribe to a node.js service with both your plugin and a background app, which could be the one sending the popup Jun 25 23:10:37 or a .c service, or whatever Jun 25 23:10:59 yeah... c service is out of my area of competence :-D Jun 25 23:11:27 not having done any coding for 10 years gives me already a hard time on javascript :-D Jun 25 23:15:52 hmmm... ok, next question Jun 25 23:16:09 anyone here, that knows if the linphone stuff is still under development? Jun 25 23:16:49 bueller? Jun 25 23:16:56 bueller? Jun 25 23:16:58 anyone? Jun 25 23:20:17 chris1492, 1 minute for an answer isn't a "bueller" moment. Jun 25 23:23:38 hehe.. I am very impatient Jun 25 23:24:06 not sure how this works... everyone in here is hibernating? Jun 25 23:26:34 chris1492, well...its a saturday( depending on where you are ) and often they are "slow" Jun 25 23:28:20 hmmm... is there a way to get the history of the chat? Jun 25 23:28:40 won't leave the chat on Jun 25 23:28:51 so if someone is answering I'll miss it Jun 25 23:29:30 link in the topic~ Jun 25 23:29:40 Logs: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/ Jun 25 23:29:47 you can view everything Jun 25 23:29:50 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/ Jun 25 23:30:33 hmm...wonder if those are still on the old server...should check that. Jun 25 23:32:10 huh ok, sorry for missing it in the topic Jun 25 23:34:28 everyone here isn't hibernating, but we're on a weekend, family, you know :) Jun 25 23:34:46 I'm not hibernating Jun 25 23:34:52 I'm… Customizing ponies :( Jun 25 23:36:07 SineOt, these kind of ponies?: http://dvice.com/archives/2010/11/meet-the-my-lit.php Jun 25 23:36:19 hehe... Jun 25 23:36:34 hell no Jun 25 23:36:39 those things are abominations :< Jun 25 23:36:48 Generation 3/3.5 were just… So. So bad. Jun 25 23:37:28 when I open the link will i bea able to sleep afterwards? Jun 25 23:37:57 yeah Jun 25 23:37:58 some things, once seen, will never leave you. Jun 25 23:38:02 I just remember that it can be very unwise to click on unknown links in chats Jun 25 23:38:29 chris4242: it's one of the terrible "newborn" G3.5 ponies with a soldering iron for a unicorn horn Jun 25 23:38:39 ... Jun 25 23:38:55 ok.... guess some ppl really have too much time on work :-) Jun 25 23:39:55 "Oh I could repair this radio... orrrr.... I mate a pink pony with a soldering iron!" Jun 25 23:40:20 hehehe.. it's nice :) Jun 25 23:40:53 hey...mine works perfectly...nice when you need a "third hand" Jun 25 23:40:57 for soldering Jun 25 23:45:39 why if I increase the value of compcache up to 96 Mb, Govnah can't see this value, reintroducing the default 32 Mb... ??? Why? Jun 25 23:46:39 perhaps... Govnah doesn't have the 96Mb option? Jun 25 23:47:15 You don't really need to be taking comp cache up that high. Jun 25 23:49:07 yeah, but over 96 Mb Is a risk? Jun 25 23:49:38 dunno Jun 25 23:50:19 oki... Thanks... Jun 25 23:50:57 Steam: Downloading Teamfortress 2 at 100kb/s (0%) 11 hours left Jun 25 23:51:22 you are doing a gaming session? Jun 25 23:52:00 nah, it's free and I just want to see what the fuzz is all about. After all, I LOVE First person shooters :D Jun 25 23:52:13 Haha. Jun 25 23:52:46 it's been a looooong time since my last LAN party Jun 25 23:53:01 UT2003 was the rage at that time, and StarCraft (1) Jun 25 23:53:58 bbl Jun 25 23:54:09 UT-GOTY and SC(1) for me. Jun 25 23:54:47 our "LAN parties" when I went to College were MUDs on the Mainframe. Jun 25 23:54:58 i miss ut04... *sniff* Jun 25 23:56:12 hmmm i remember starcraft.... it was the reason i stopped gaming :-D Jun 25 23:59:57 We started back in the days with Doom, then ROTT, then Duke... the rest.. his history ;) Jun 26 00:01:12 Castle Wolfenstein Jun 26 00:01:40 wait, what? Jun 26 00:02:01 we had a StarTrek game on the System360/40...wasted a lot of paper :D Jun 26 00:02:10 rwhitby: I can't remember if I told already, but trying to use the touchpad as bluetooth audio for a non-webOS phone did not work Jun 26 00:03:50 ka6sox-home: MUDding killed my motivation to do college Jun 26 00:05:22 MUDding killed my first college studies :P Jun 26 00:05:25 not good Jun 26 00:05:46 sugardave, ya, when we would get in the terminal room late @ night we had some fun...one of our guys figured out how to make the lights on the front of the Model 370/155 say things... Jun 26 00:06:45 (of course those would cause the computer to ABEND) and crash. Jun 26 00:07:01 huh... what is this : qemux86 user.err jailer[1369]: undefined device type! Jun 26 00:07:03 ? Jun 26 00:07:06 haha Jun 26 00:08:08 its frozen D: Jun 26 00:11:02 is there a novacom command to restart the phone? Jun 26 00:12:17 nevermind Jun 26 00:14:22 ? Jun 26 00:34:44 reboot Jun 26 00:51:31 reset Jun 26 00:51:34 to zero Jun 26 00:51:35 return Jun 26 01:13:02 chris4242: that jailer error happens all the time on the emulator Jun 26 01:13:40 Palm should really employ someone to just use the phone and the emulator for a day, and note down every single spurious error in the logs and drive them either to correction or removal. Jun 26 01:16:19 i think it would take longer than a day Jun 26 01:19:14 rwhitby: thanks... Will disabling the jailer help? Jun 26 01:19:24 for testing of course Jun 26 01:22:41 chris4242: what are you testing? Jun 26 01:23:27 haha, basically my own javascript skills Jun 26 01:23:54 I am trying to create a new synergy messaging component Jun 26 01:24:02 ... and empower said someone to actually fix it Jun 26 01:24:16 so I can use a websms provider to send sms right out of the messaging app Jun 26 01:26:27 not only the emulator, but the rest of the webos2 bugs Jun 26 01:28:13 one l and two tails Jun 26 02:00:08 hello Jun 26 02:56:57 Hi guys... Just donated to WOS-Int! Jun 26 02:57:50 Next I want to 2.1.0 my Verizon pre 2, but I hear there's an update coming. thoughts? Jun 26 02:59:51 egadgetguy: better wait a couple of days **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 26 02:59:57 2011