**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 29 02:59:56 2011
Jun 29 03:04:13 <bnceo> someone carry a netbook with them
Jun 29 03:04:26 <rwhitby> http://install.preware.org outlines the installation methods
Jun 29 03:06:24 <rwhitby> they have worked the same for every past released webOS device
Jun 29 03:06:33 <rwhitby> and every past released webOS version
Jun 29 03:07:11 <scoutcamper> rwhitby, however, with no webos doctor/sdk we dont have the drivers, correct?
Jun 29 03:07:14 <rwhitby> and a password-protected devmode rightly and correctly inhibits every one of them
Jun 29 03:08:23 <rwhitby> of course removing a password-protected devmode is not impossible, but also not something you would do on a device you didn't own, since it could be misinterpreted as a federal offence in US I believe.
Jun 29 03:09:00 <eduprey> rwhitby: hmm, "exceeding authorized access" etc?
Jun 29 03:09:53 <rwhitby> destinal: you'd know better than I would ;)
Jun 29 03:10:24 <destinal> rwhitby: I doubt anyone would prosecute under it but yeah, it's probably illegal
Jun 29 03:11:51 <summatusmentis> are we sure all of the display models are password protected?
Jun 29 03:12:15 <summatusmentis> I remember seeing something about that, but I didn't read it >_>
Jun 29 03:14:10 <destinal> rwhitby: and yeah, I wonder if there are any locks on bootie (or if there are any ways to USB boot like OMAP3) so bypassing the devmode lock is possible but probably too much work to install preware in a best buy demo model, for most people
Jun 29 03:28:42 <mhats> looking for a clue...loaded 2.1.0 on vzw pre+ and still can't bypass first use
Jun 29 03:28:59 <PatrickC> ##DEVMODE#
Jun 29 03:30:15 <PatrickC> work?
Jun 29 03:31:50 <mhats> just goes back to sing ing
Jun 29 03:31:52 <mhats> *in
Jun 29 03:32:41 <PatrickC> ##3386633# then the call button goes back to sign-in?
Jun 29 03:34:33 <mhats> missed a 6... in dev mode
Jun 29 03:37:49 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 29 03:37:53 <PatrickC> worked?
Jun 29 03:39:26 <mhats> yes...although my aim wasn't to connect with sdk. i want to get into the normal OS by signing in wifi or not at all and had believed running the patch with BypassFirstUse would do that
Jun 29 03:40:45 <PatrickC> mhats: remake the meta-doctor with Bypass FirstUse and Activate Over Wifi marked as included..
Jun 29 03:42:28 <rwhitby> just ##DEVMODE# should bypass first use
Jun 29 03:42:32 <rwhitby> nothing else is required
Jun 29 03:43:09 <PatrickC> rwhitby: will that allow profile login over wifi?
Jun 29 03:43:12 <mhats> and included is just removing the numerals from in front of the SHA1-Digest? (Sorry more familiar with other OS's)
Jun 29 03:44:11 <PatrickC> included is removing the # in the makefile iirc
Jun 29 03:44:14 <rwhitby> PatrickC: Yes, using Impostah
Jun 29 03:44:26 <PatrickC> ah, I forgot about Impostah
Jun 29 03:44:42 <PatrickC> mhats: rwhitby can help you tons more then me
Jun 29 03:44:47 <rwhitby> all bypass patches outside of meta-doctor or impostah are obsolete
Jun 29 03:44:48 <mhats> @rwhitby: how would i nav away from the Developer Mode card? the ##DEVMODE# got me there show it is on, but no inputs are taking me away from there
Jun 29 03:45:04 <rwhitby> mhats: turn it off, reboot, get back in, turn it on.
Jun 29 03:47:07 <mhats> Thanks for your input PatrickC...
Jun 29 03:47:14 <PatrickC> no problem
Jun 29 03:50:17 <mhats> holding power didn' treboot so.. battery pull, andback to sign in
Jun 29 03:51:16 <PatrickC> it should ask you to reboot if you toggle devmode
Jun 29 03:51:50 <mhats> yes, when i turnd it from on to off..but then woudl it not reboot not in dev mode?
Jun 29 03:53:18 <rwhitby> correct. then you turn it back on again
Jun 29 03:55:45 <mhats> ok, in the process of the second reboot. ..
Jun 29 03:55:46 <destinal> PatrickC:  I thought in 2.0 it didn't need to reboot when you toggle?
Jun 29 03:56:06 <PatrickC> destinal: I believe it still does
Jun 29 03:56:25 <halfhalo> not my 2.x stuff
Jun 29 03:56:31 <PatrickC> umm. I guess not..
Jun 29 03:56:49 <PatrickC> I haven't actually ever used the dev mode enabler on 2.x until now...
Jun 29 03:59:17 <mhats> success!
Jun 29 04:00:09 <mhats> i was afraid that the reboot questions meant i hadnt succesfully upped to 2.1.0 but version number shows i have
Jun 29 04:00:52 <mhats> thanks to @rwhitby for the webos-internals that got me to this point, donation def. coming your way!
Jun 29 04:58:48 <mhats> ahh, jeeez. when adding flash.. is it expected that the installing of the packged ipk will take forever (10min+)?
Jun 29 04:59:45 <rwhitby> latest meta-doctor scripts install flash as part of the doctor
Jun 29 05:02:05 <mhats> errrrr. ok. i had read at the bottom of the webos2 upgrade page "Adobe Flash  Adobe Flash is not included in this webOS 2.1 doctor, but can be added with files from a VZW Pre 2 2.0.1 doctor. Adding Flash Support  The easiest way to enable Adobe Flash on your webOS 2.1.0 legacy device is by creating a modular package and installing that, along with a patch to make the Adobe Flash preferences visible in the browser. Or you can 
Jun 29 05:02:41 <rwhitby> yeah, the people who tested the new scripts didn't update the wiki
Jun 29 05:03:15 <mhats> and went through that process. so if the Quick Install is hanging still, with the device in usb mode, can i safely disconnect and end?
Jun 29 05:34:44 <RagingMind> rwhitby, when the vzw 2.1 doctor comes out, would it be better to wait till the meta scripts take advantage of any new package versions (for vz specific apps) or would just installing the new packages be okay?
Jun 29 05:35:17 <mhats> somethings still not adding up with flash ...went to a flash site and no go...
Jun 29 05:38:28 <RagingMind> mhats, did you check your browser prefs?
Jun 29 05:43:53 <mhats> yup, there was nothing for flash. had to use quick install after all. **note it wouldnt let me install in usb mode had to select just charge and then asked for GNU then installed rebooted and flash showed up in prefs
Jun 29 05:56:02 <mhats> is there an sdk for ubuntu 11.04?
Jun 29 07:17:30 <rrix> Sigh, I'm tired of Messaging derping and forcing me to delete SMS logs
Jun 29 07:18:13 <rrix> It suddenly thinks that the transport for the SMS is invalid and changing it from whatever it is for SMS to -1 :(
Jun 29 07:32:07 <Legacy> $50 off my touchpad yay
Jun 29 07:49:49 <Technikfreak> hi is tjhere a app like the whatsapp in iphone
Jun 29 07:49:53 <Technikfreak> and a file explroer
Jun 29 07:53:00 <g4lt> go to devel mode, ssh in and use ls ;P
Jun 29 07:53:33 <Technikfreak> good
Jun 29 07:53:41 <Technikfreak> and is there something like a virtual keyboard?
Jun 29 07:53:46 <Technikfreak> i have niow a pre 2
Jun 29 07:54:30 <g4lt> with the loss of graffiti, all palms have keyboards, why do you need a virtual one?
Jun 29 07:54:50 <Technikfreak> because of open the slider is not a nice thing
Jun 29 07:55:09 <Technikfreak> if you jsut want tpo tip a short word like no
Jun 29 08:07:14 <Legacy> I've dropped me pre a lot opening the slider while walking. =/
Jun 29 08:07:33 <Legacy> >attempting to open the slider while walking
Jun 29 08:08:41 <Legacy> yesterday I broke my Pre Plus's power button and scratched the screen a bit while trying to open the slider
Jun 29 08:09:11 <Legacy> and accidentally dropped it on cement
Jun 29 08:10:27 <g4lt> yeah, the treo form factor was nice, ala the pixi
Jun 29 08:10:49 <g4lt> (not too happy with the pixi's button placement, but whatevs)
Jun 29 08:18:01 <Legacy> So is it Sprint or HPalm that's responsible for the carrier not getting a new webOS phone in over a year and a half?
Jun 29 08:19:08 <g4lt> Legacy: I'd say spring to start, then HPalm helped.  I don't think sprint ever made the palmos->webos transition
Jun 29 08:19:09 <Legacy> The Pre sold well, but had hardware issues...Sprint would be fools to turn down the Pre 2 or Pre 3
Jun 29 09:08:59 <easthero> hi,all
Jun 29 09:09:11 <easthero> what is the backend command of preware?
Jun 29 09:09:31 <easthero> I want a package list that I have installed via preware
Jun 29 09:10:00 <g4lt> I think its ipkg, ala solaris, but ICBW
Jun 29 09:10:41 * g4lt really ought to dissect an ipk to see what it's really doing
Jun 29 09:38:27 <panda|x201> easthero, LOL
Jun 29 09:38:30 <palomino|working> :o
Jun 29 09:39:17 <easthero> ...
Jun 29 09:41:23 <rwhitby> easthero: ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed
Jun 29 09:41:58 <rwhitby> g4lt: http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/toolchain/ipkg-utils/ipkg-unbuild
Jun 29 09:42:01 <easthero> rwhitby, thanks
Jun 29 09:42:28 <rwhitby> Technikfreak: GTalk, and Internalz
Jun 29 09:48:35 <g4lt> rwhitby: interesting, .deb file format, ipkg name.  Did Ian move to HP from sun and I missed it?
Jun 29 09:50:46 <rwhitby> ipkg was never associated with Sun.
Jun 29 09:51:03 <rwhitby> It comes from Zaurus, via OpenEmbedded.
Jun 29 09:51:21 <rwhitby> HP uses OpenEmbedded for the webOS firmware build system.
Jun 29 09:52:47 <michele> hi
Jun 29 09:52:49 <g4lt> that ipkg wasn't, but Sun had one, that Ian worked on, later called simply pkg
Jun 29 09:53:35 <g4lt> anyways, it's better than a database like .pdbs were :)
Jun 29 09:54:47 <rwhitby> yeah, pkg and ipkg are quite different, and not related
Jun 29 09:55:05 <michele> I'd like to test linphone
Jun 29 09:55:30 <rwhitby> michele: what's your device and SIP provider?
Jun 29 09:56:14 <michele> I've a fritzbox with external registration enabled
Jun 29 09:56:21 <michele> my operator is 3 Italy
Jun 29 09:56:38 <rwhitby> not cellular operator, SIP provider
Jun 29 09:56:56 <michele> I could test also with TIM (Italy), Vodafone (Italy) and maybe Wind (Italy)
Jun 29 09:57:00 <michele> oh sorry
Jun 29 09:57:07 <michele> Eutelia VOIP
Jun 29 09:57:18 <rwhitby> and your device?
Jun 29 09:57:22 <michele> and Messagenet
Jun 29 09:57:32 <michele> Pal Pre minus with 2.1
Jun 29 09:57:58 <rwhitby> michele: see /msg and report in the PreCentral thread. I am not the developer.
Jun 29 09:58:22 <michele> thank you very much
Jun 29 09:58:33 <michele> I'll report results as soon as
Jun 29 13:29:00 <NuttyBunny> hey rwhitby-tp ... you should sell me one of your many, many, working Pre minus front screens ;)
Jun 29 15:26:20 <swebos> Rod, are you awake?
Jun 29 15:31:21 <navinag> Anyone know why the appcatalog recent update app keeps spinning?  http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=3007755#post3007755
Jun 29 15:57:26 <cryptk> hola chuqui
Jun 29 15:57:56 <chuqui> cryptk: hey!
Jun 29 17:44:50 <dtzWill> bug on a touchscreen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJrLTsmPDd4
Jun 29 17:44:54 <dtzWill> hehe :)
Jun 29 17:46:38 <PatrickC> dtzWill: hehe
Jun 29 18:29:05 <singmajesty> halfhalo: You here?
Jun 29 18:29:13 <halfhalo> si
Jun 29 18:29:25 <singmajesty> Hey, what did you use to output X11?
Jun 29 18:29:51 <dtzWill> singmajesty: an x server? ^.^
Jun 29 18:30:06 <singmajesty> Is it SDL, GLES, or are you redirecting the framebuffer somehow?
Jun 29 18:30:28 * halfhalo points to dtzWill for that.  he did all the hard work, halfhalo only took pretty screenshots.
Jun 29 18:30:28 <singmajesty> dtzWill: Yeah, you can run, say, Ubuntu using chroot on a TouchPad
Jun 29 18:30:33 <singmajesty> Ah
Jun 29 18:30:34 <singmajesty> :)
Jun 29 18:30:38 <halfhalo> singmajesty: what do you think that is?
Jun 29 18:30:54 <singmajesty> Yeah, I saw Linux running on the device, but we didn't get it to output to the screen
Jun 29 18:31:14 <dtzWill> singmajesty:gles (via sdl like normal pdk apps)
Jun 29 18:31:18 <singmajesty> Of course, if we launch an SDL application, the OS automatically turns it into a card. I was just curious what method you were using?
Jun 29 18:31:23 <singmajesty> Ah, that makes sense
Jun 29 18:31:33 <dtzWill> singmajesty: although that's mostly just to make blitting faster
Jun 29 18:32:00 <singmajesty> So did you have to wrap it with your own "stage", or were you able to natively configure it to render that way?
Jun 29 18:32:31 <dtzWill> singmajesty: modified version of xsdl, using kdrive
Jun 29 18:32:35 <dtzWill> http://git.webos-internals.org/x11/xserver/
Jun 29 18:32:55 <dtzWill> (wip, and apologies if code is a bit of a mess atm hehe)
Jun 29 18:33:12 <dtzWill> very col re:auto-card-ing sdl apps, i should play with that.
Jun 29 18:33:26 <dtzWill> *cool, even.
Jun 29 18:33:46 <singmajesty> My wife asked me once, "So, now that you have a TouchPad, you won't really need your computer as much, right?"
Jun 29 18:34:05 <singmajesty> I found myself saying, "No, I like programming too much. That's the thing I can't do with a TouchPad right now"
Jun 29 18:34:21 <singmajesty> I was really impressed by the performance we got using g++ and haxe on the TouchPad
Jun 29 18:34:21 <dtzWill> singmajesty: ^.^
Jun 29 18:34:34 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: if you can make coding a real option on the TP, I will buy you a beer
Jun 29 18:34:41 <summatusmentis> hell, I'll buy you a six-pack
Jun 29 18:34:47 <dtzWill> xserver works well enough to play games like hex-a-hop
Jun 29 18:34:53 <singmajesty> TouchPad running webOS plus, say, gedit, filezilla, maybe Opera
Jun 29 18:35:02 <dtzWill> if i wasn't lazy i'd take a video or so
Jun 29 18:35:12 * halfhalo whistles
Jun 29 18:35:17 <dtzWill> mm that'd be nice.
Jun 29 18:35:23 <singmajesty> That was what I liked about the idea of Jolicloud, except that it wasn't near as nice as webOS
Jun 29 18:35:43 <singmajesty> (Though it was nice to have apt-get and gnome apps running alongside HTML5 apps)
Jun 29 18:36:06 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: dude, TP runing webOS + gvim and an xterm? that'd be sweet
Jun 29 18:36:32 <summatusmentis> do ittt
Jun 29 18:36:38 <summatusmentis> and package it, and put it in preware :)
Jun 29 18:36:39 <singmajesty> I wonder if it would perform well enough to have a running OS instance, then to push separate apps to their own screens?
Jun 29 18:36:53 <dtzWill> summatusmentis: http://twitter.com/#!/wdtz/status/86136317095849984
Jun 29 18:36:55 <singmajesty> So that you could run applications like Parallels, seamlessly as their own application?
Jun 29 18:37:17 <dtzWill> singmajesty: used to be that you could spwan multiple cards with extra calls to sdl_setvideomode
Jun 29 18:37:20 <summatusmentis> dtzWill: why do I not follow you?
Jun 29 18:37:26 <oil> heh
Jun 29 18:37:33 <singmajesty> Hmm, I remember that
Jun 29 18:37:37 <dtzWill> singmajesty: always played with idea of rootless x plus something that gave each window it's own card
Jun 29 18:37:53 <dtzWill> combined with notification hooks for things like notify-send (err w/e the underlying dbus tech is called)
Jun 29 18:37:58 <singmajesty> Maybe that changed? Because unwiredben has made some recommendations regarding calling SDL_SetVideoMode multiple times for one app
Jun 29 18:38:02 <summatusmentis> dtzWill: oh man, that's really neat. Ideally I'd like each app to have their own window, I want it semi-integrated, but damn
Jun 29 18:38:05 <summatusmentis> this is exciting
Jun 29 18:38:15 <singmajesty> I think it has to do with each process
Jun 29 18:38:31 <singmajesty> Maybe you need to start a new process on webOS in order for it to create a new card?
Jun 29 18:38:57 <singmajesty> So perhaps it could be some kind of lightweight client application that hooks into xserver
Jun 29 18:39:11 <dtzWill> singmajesty: i'd imagine so re:process
Jun 29 18:39:38 <dtzWill> seemed more buggy if anything at the time.
Jun 29 18:39:48 <singmajesty> I just picked up an HP Mini, but now that I look at the screen, I can't help but compare to a TouchPad
Jun 29 18:40:05 <singmajesty> Would be sweet to have a TouchPad with a keyboard, use it like a laptop, or use it without
Jun 29 18:40:43 <dtzWill> singmajesty: bt keyboard is close ^.^
Jun 29 18:41:14 <dtzWill> summatusmentis: i'd say for now just let users spawn the x servers they want and run what they want in each.
Jun 29 18:41:35 * dtzWill wants a bt keyboard
Jun 29 18:41:45 * halfhalo does as well.
Jun 29 18:42:00 <singmajesty> Yeah, a BT keyboard, case and touchstone would be nice
Jun 29 18:42:00 <summatusmentis> dtzWill: that'd be fine with me, how easy is that do to?
Jun 29 18:42:08 <singmajesty> I just wish I could take the keyboard with me ...
Jun 29 18:42:11 <dtzWill> does anyone know, are the acessories going to be available on friday?
Jun 29 18:42:18 <singmajesty> ... but I suppose that might be what an on-screen keyboard is for
Jun 29 18:42:19 <dtzWill> singmajesty: tape? ^.^
Jun 29 18:42:26 <singmajesty> They said they would at Fry's
Jun 29 18:42:37 <singmajesty> I think they did, anyway
Jun 29 18:42:46 <dtzWill> cool. was gonna order on amazon, but backlogged to end of july? :(
Jun 29 18:42:57 <singmajesty> Well, between Costco, Walmart, Best Buy, Fry's ... there's got to be someone with accessories
Jun 29 18:43:01 <dtzWill> although could be a misestimate on their part in terms of expected shipmetns
Jun 29 18:43:16 <singmajesty> When someone purchases a new device is the perfect time to sell them accessories, so it would behoove them to have them all available at once
Jun 29 18:43:22 <singmajesty> Maybe, but this is HP
Jun 29 18:43:26 <singmajesty> They ship stuff all the time
Jun 29 18:43:34 <dtzWill> singmajesty: here's hoping
Jun 29 18:43:42 <singmajesty> But I guess I've never followed HP closely enough to watch a product launch...
Jun 29 18:43:42 <dtzWill> meh i'll place order on amazon and forget about it :)
Jun 29 18:43:56 * oil needs touchstone/kb for his touchpad
Jun 29 18:43:58 <singmajesty> I got to see it in person, though
Jun 29 18:44:02 <singmajesty> It was pretty cool
Jun 29 18:44:10 <singmajesty> The TouchStone and keyboard are a great combination
Jun 29 18:44:24 <singmajesty> I haven't seen the case close up, but all I care about is that it is thin
Jun 29 18:44:27 <dtzWill> while i'm polling public opinion, is the official bt keyboard the way to go
Jun 29 18:44:28 <summatusmentis> man, I should reach oil-status in WOSI, and get free hardware :)
Jun 29 18:44:30 <singmajesty> The iPad case I have is huge
Jun 29 18:44:40 <dtzWill> b/c $60 for a wireless keyboard is a bit steep
Jun 29 18:44:46 <dtzWill> guess it might be extra portable or something.
Jun 29 18:44:47 <singmajesty> I think so. It has a nice "card" button where a Windows or Apple button would go...
Jun 29 18:44:52 <dtzWill> hehehe
Jun 29 18:44:57 <oil> :)
Jun 29 18:44:57 <singmajesty> It's smaller than it looks online
Jun 29 18:45:04 <singmajesty> But it still types well
Jun 29 18:45:11 <dtzWill> presuambly that actually is a meta key though
Jun 29 18:45:20 <singmajesty> or Home?
Jun 29 18:45:34 <singmajesty> Maybe Home is just the emulator
Jun 29 18:45:38 <dtzWill> singmajesty: perhaps, no idea. but nice that it has a card logo :)
Jun 29 18:46:11 <singmajesty> Yeah, I wish it was a bit cheaper, but I guess that's how accessories go
Jun 29 18:46:18 <singmajesty> The case I bought was $50+
Jun 29 18:46:36 <singmajesty> Ironic, when the HP Mini I just got was $280
Jun 29 18:46:52 <dtzWill> singmajesty: what case, if you don't mind my asking?
Jun 29 18:49:00 <singmajesty> Oh, it was the... let me see...
Jun 29 18:49:56 <singmajesty> This is the one I have
Jun 29 18:49:56 <singmajesty> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004TLH6IU/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B003VAPQM8&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1WY3ENFK1CZA3S7NH5ZX
Jun 29 18:50:14 <singmajesty> ...but I would really rather have the one that's coming out that's designed specifically for the TouchPad
Jun 29 18:52:01 <singmajesty> http://www.precentral.net/first-looks-hp-touchpad-case-photos
Jun 29 18:53:10 <summatusmentis> is the front magnetic on the new tp case?
Jun 29 18:53:12 <dtzWill> mmmm
Jun 29 18:53:28 <dtzWill> well that's the one i was looking at anyway, that's the 'official' case, right?
Jun 29 18:53:29 <dtzWill> hmm
Jun 29 18:53:39 <summatusmentis> I've been wondering about how it stays closed
Jun 29 18:53:51 <singmajesty> I haven't used it yet, but it seems like the official one is going to work better
Jun 29 18:54:02 <singmajesty> Whenever I use my TouchPad outside the case, I don't want to put it back in
Jun 29 18:54:23 <singmajesty> I like the feel of the device a lot more than my case, even though leather is better than some other types of case materials
Jun 29 19:07:52 <summatusmentis> dtzWill: re: halfhalo's tweets, how easy is it to launch an app directly, w/out the need for icewm (or whatever that is)?
Jun 29 19:08:30 <dtzWill> summatusmentis: that's lxde i believe
Jun 29 19:08:52 <dtzWill> summatusmentis: and it's a WIP atm. rght now that all needs a chroot
Jun 29 19:09:13 <summatusmentis> right, that's what I assumed
Jun 29 19:09:22 <dtzWill> so if you're cool with that, you don't need to run any wm at all, although having one (even basic one) is probably a good idea
Jun 29 19:09:23 <summatusmentis> I'm wondering about something closer to xterm
Jun 29 19:09:33 <summatusmentis> (like what's currently in preware)
Jun 29 19:10:02 <dtzWill> summatusmentis: in good time
Jun 29 19:10:07 <dtzWill> but yes that's one of our goals :)
Jun 29 19:10:14 <singmajesty> dtzWill: What OS are you running xserver on?
Jun 29 19:10:19 <singmajesty> Is that Ubuntu, or a different distro?
Jun 29 19:10:25 <summatusmentis> dtzWill: can I ask what the process for doing so is?
Jun 29 19:10:28 <singmajesty> Or is it just xserver on top of webOS?
Jun 29 19:11:07 <summatusmentis> I assume debian chroot
Jun 29 19:11:12 <dtzWill> what?
Jun 29 19:11:24 <summatusmentis> to who?
Jun 29 19:11:34 <dtzWill> the x server is a native webos app
Jun 29 19:11:50 <singmajesty> Ah, so no chroot necessary, no extra distro?
Jun 29 19:12:00 <dtzWill> the x clients are running via a chroot b/c that's easiest way to get things running, all precompiled and such.
Jun 29 19:12:12 <singmajesty> That makes sense
Jun 29 19:12:17 <dtzWill> but x11 forwarding of ssh works fine, for example.
Jun 29 19:12:22 <dtzWill> *over ssh
Jun 29 19:12:36 <singmajesty> What distro is the chroot based on?
Jun 29 19:12:57 <halfhalo> singmajesty: mine is the same as what you and tim did.
Jun 29 19:13:11 <dtzWill> singmajesty: i play with a debian one, but it doesn't really mattter.
Jun 29 19:13:23 <dtzWill> just had a debian image on hand :)
Jun 29 19:14:05 <summatusmentis> so what does it take to go from that to something packaged like xterm is currently?
Jun 29 19:14:11 <singmajesty> So apt-get, g++, FileZilla, Opera, LibreOffice ... it probably all works?
Jun 29 19:14:43 <summatusmentis> if I understand chroot correctly, it should
Jun 29 19:14:55 <summatusmentis> it did when I was running a debian chroot on maemo
Jun 29 19:15:05 <halfhalo> singmajesty: all but opera i think
Jun 29 19:15:10 <rrix> running all of that on a phone would be incredibly painful.
Jun 29 19:15:24 <summatusmentis> I assume he's thinking the TP
Jun 29 19:15:35 <rrix> How much ram does the tp have?
Jun 29 19:15:40 <singmajesty> 1024
Jun 29 19:15:48 <singmajesty> Opera uses QT
Jun 29 19:15:51 <rrix> ah, well, mayhaps
Jun 29 19:15:55 <singmajesty> Would QT work?
Jun 29 19:15:56 <rrix> singmajesty: opera isn't build for ARM
Jun 29 19:16:04 <singmajesty> ah
Jun 29 19:16:08 <singmajesty> ARM build.
Jun 29 19:16:11 <dtzWill> singmajesty: yeah works fine.
Jun 29 19:16:14 * summatusmentis ran a full kde3 env on top of maemo, iirc
Jun 29 19:16:23 <dtzWill> it's just a chroot on an arm device.
Jun 29 19:16:34 <dtzWill> that said some thing that depend on dbus seem to have special needs
Jun 29 19:16:41 <dtzWill> but i haven't poked at that
Jun 29 19:16:52 <halfhalo> yup
Jun 29 19:23:52 <singmajesty> Tweeted
Jun 29 19:24:06 <singmajesty> "Ever thought you wanted to run apt-get, g++, FileZilla, gvim, LibreOffice on a TouchPad? Not such a pipe dream, after all."
Jun 29 19:24:16 <singmajesty> "Ironically, the TouchPad compiled our C++ code using the Ubuntu ARM G++ toolchain about as fast as my laptop, running a 2.8 GHz i7 processor"
Jun 29 20:54:07 <playya_> moin
Jun 29 20:54:24 <playya_> is there any "android on pre" channel?
Jun 29 20:54:24 <PatrickC> hello
Jun 29 20:54:38 <PatrickC> nope
Jun 29 20:54:44 <PatrickC> that's in here. what's up?
Jun 29 20:54:54 <PatrickC> I did it a while ago. and worked on it a little
Jun 29 20:59:01 <playya_> the touchscreen driver uses an old version of our tslib plugin PatrickC
Jun 29 20:59:16 <PatrickC> ah.
Jun 29 20:59:29 <PatrickC> I would report to the thread if you have info on new drivers
Jun 29 21:00:59 <playya_> we added some check on malformed input (e.g. after backlight turned off): https://github.com/playya/tslib
Jun 29 21:01:21 <PatrickC> I would report to the forum (need the link?)
Jun 29 21:01:46 <playya_> and an account :/
Jun 29 21:01:58 * NuttyBunny looks around
Jun 29 21:02:00 <PatrickC> that takes a few seconds to set up :)
Jun 29 21:02:23 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: hey
Jun 29 21:02:32 <NuttyBunny> hey
Jun 29 21:02:36 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: what's the android forum link?
Jun 29 21:02:39 <playya_> i only know the googlecode page
Jun 29 21:02:51 <PatrickC> playya_: has some drivers for it
Jun 29 21:03:16 <playya_> no. the ts driver is based on old code
Jun 29 21:03:43 <PatrickC> but you have the updated drivers?
Jun 29 21:04:46 <playya_> tslib plugin
Jun 29 21:14:48 <NuttyBunny> http://forums.precentral.net/other-handhelds/278450-android-pre.html?highlight=android+for+pre
Jun 29 21:28:11 <NuttyBunny> unfortunately I no longer can test or play with android :(
Jun 29 22:17:51 <Guest9571> hi
Jun 29 22:18:06 <Guest9571> hi
Jun 30 01:52:35 <destinal> ~whe
Jun 30 01:52:35 <infobot> from memory, whe is a WebOS Hacker Extraordinaire, which is what Joshua Topolsky called zsoc after he typed "make" one time...
Jun 30 02:21:51 <dtzWill> hahaha
Jun 30 02:21:54 <dtzWill> aww, miss zsoc :(
Jun 30 02:31:55 <destinal> dtzWill: me too
Jun 30 02:46:17 <Deihmos> Touchpad reviews not that bad. Also not that good
Jun 30 02:47:11 <destinal> Deihmos: IMO what's awesome will be what developers and hackers do with it, not whether it's as thin as ipad2
Jun 30 02:47:47 <destinal> it seems good enoiugh that if it can do awesome things, people will forgive it for nnot being ipad2
Jun 30 02:47:52 <Deihmos> Main gripe is sluggish.
Jun 30 02:48:06 <Deihmos> Plus app catalog
Jun 30 02:48:34 <Deihmos> What awesome things
Jun 30 02:49:52 <destinal> Deihmos: yeah, sluggish has always been a webos thing, but I've heard it's way better than the earlier demos
Jun 30 02:50:49 <Deihmos> Being sluggish all these years is a major problem. Can never forget when I first got the pre.
Jun 30 02:51:29 <Deihmos> Why is it so sluggish though. Is it even capable of not being sluggish
Jun 30 02:52:05 <destinal> lots of layers of abstraction usually.  at some point you need to mae a plane aerodynamic rather than just putting bigger engines on it
Jun 30 02:53:21 <rwhitby> destinal: a log of the sluggishness in current webOS devices is all the logging to flash
Jun 30 02:54:20 <Deihmos> Can flash be on demand ?
Jun 30 02:54:24 <destinal> rwhitby: ah right, pretty massive logging (and may make the flash drive fail prematurely as well).  probably a good idea to turn that off I suppose
Jun 30 02:54:34 <dwc-> not flash like adobe flash, flash like flash storage
Jun 30 02:54:52 <Deihmos> Oh
Jun 30 02:55:07 <dwc-> most of us care little about what powerd thinks about our wifi
Jun 30 02:55:27 <destinal> dwc-: oh but it has so much to say about it! :)
Jun 30 02:56:27 <dwc-> ... or that luna has realized it should update the clock display
Jun 30 02:57:09 <rwhitby> yeah, as I've said before, Palm should employ an intern to watch /var/log/messages for a day and drive every single message printed either to removal or to a bug report.
Jun 30 02:58:09 <bpadalino> so much logging
Jun 30 02:58:45 <rwhitby> and it's not only speed, all that flash writing takes battery power too
Jun 30 02:59:54 <Deihmos> I kind of thought palm wouldb get Webos right by now. I don't understand what the team has been doing all these years
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