**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 01 02:59:57 2011 Jul 01 03:04:05 It just kicked me at 4%, and the phone booted (looking at the wiki) Jul 01 03:05:07 Ted__: You put a AT&T comm board in a Sprint Pre? Jul 01 03:05:20 I wonder why you would do that. Plenty of AT&T Pre Pluses out Jul 01 03:06:06 I'm just doing it for fun, I have a pre plus. Jul 01 03:06:28 I broke my first pre plus in the shop, and my buddy had a dead sprint pre from a FrankenPrePlus Jul 01 03:06:37 So I'm trying to put the two together Jul 01 03:11:23 I'm not seeing anything about being kicked out at 4% on the Wiki page, only 8%. Jul 01 03:14:28 Any advise, Rod? Jul 01 03:14:35 Ted__: logs? Jul 01 03:15:15 Hm, what's the best way to gather the? Jul 01 03:15:42 "Jun 30, 2011 10:12:12 PM com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.runner.DeviceDiscoveryRunner$DeviceDiscoveryThread run INFO: got devices 0" Jul 01 03:16:10 That's the last line that continues to repeat again, and again (I'm sure you need more, but I thought I should mention it) Jul 01 03:16:26 11h till TP Jul 01 03:16:59 * PatrickC jumps up and down!!! Jul 01 03:19:17 Oh my lord... Jul 01 03:19:30 what? Jul 01 03:19:33 I just read the wiki more carefully, I see this is a common problem. Jul 01 03:19:55 I need to read more carefully, sometimes. I'm going to trouble shoot more before askign any further help. Cheers! Jul 01 03:25:01 Ted__: how are you doing your meta doctor? Jul 01 03:25:08 Linux? Jul 01 03:25:31 hey bnceo Jul 01 03:25:44 Ted__: unplug and replug the device when the doctor is waiting for it like that Jul 01 03:26:08 yo PatrickC: what's up Jul 01 03:26:22 nothin much. just waiting on my touchpad :) Jul 01 03:26:33 Me too. tomorrow before 7pm Jul 01 03:26:40 though I have to wait longer for the TouchStone Jul 01 03:26:45 * PatrickC has to wait for a dev discount Jul 01 03:26:49 don't have $478 Jul 01 03:26:58 really annoying that no accessories at launch Jul 01 03:27:02 + 10% sales tax Jul 01 03:27:04 I just went Amazon store card Jul 01 03:27:09 no sales tax and boom Jul 01 03:27:45 Sam's Club has it for $478 and $578 Jul 01 03:27:46 iirc Jul 01 03:27:55 no Sam's Club near me Jul 01 03:28:03 ah Jul 01 03:28:08 got a Costo, but not a member. BJs member tho Jul 01 03:28:13 we are there almost everyday lol Jul 01 03:28:27 you need to be a member at sams club too Jul 01 03:28:33 id wait for the dev discount if I were u.. just sayin Jul 01 03:28:40 yes summatusmentis: I know =) Jul 01 03:28:45 kk, just clarifying Jul 01 03:28:46 I've heard from a good source that it'll be a good discount.. :) Jul 01 03:28:56 too late. and I don't have an active app anyways Jul 01 03:28:57 PatrickC: care to name your source? Jul 01 03:29:09 I did some very minor app for my job that was just our days off Jul 01 03:29:12 holidays Jul 01 03:29:13 nope.. I don't want to get anyone in trouble Jul 01 03:29:16 but I trust them Jul 01 03:29:22 Done in Ares. But I don't deserve the dev discount Jul 01 03:29:26 ok, just curious Jul 01 03:29:37 At least for the TouchPad. I do deserve one for the PRe2 tho =) Jul 01 03:29:38 they said final price == $250... Jul 01 03:29:38 bnceo: depends on how you define "deserve" Jul 01 03:30:01 I know I'm not a dev that makes catalog apps. In fact, I'm VERY noobie. I got ideas, but no way to really implement them Jul 01 03:30:10 id be very happy with a touchpad for $250 :D Jul 01 03:30:31 bnceo: PM me, and I'll try and help you get started Jul 01 03:30:33 bnceo: if you think of developer pricing as an "investment in the community" by HP, and a way for people to start coming up with ideas, arguably anyone "deserves" it Jul 01 03:30:37 with SDK/Enyo Jul 01 03:30:49 well, I'm going to bed soon Jul 01 03:31:05 ok. Jul 01 03:31:10 But PatrickC: so far, I only have really coded with basic HTML and some XML (for work) with a given stylesheet Jul 01 03:31:12 bnceo: I think that's part of the point in some ways, if you provide people with hardware, maybe it'll hit them enough to want to start developing (if they're not already) Jul 01 03:31:12 you can also email me or twitter me Jul 01 03:31:26 bnceo: wait for Enyo :) Jul 01 03:31:50 it looks simple enough. At least just seeing the kinds and all. clean code. Jul 01 03:32:00 its amazing Jul 01 03:32:06 and I can talk about it now :P Jul 01 03:32:07 But just the little stuff like calling to apis or uses services is tricky for me. Jul 01 03:32:11 haha Jul 01 03:32:24 yeah, I'm waiting for some more charge on my phone before I go to bed Jul 01 03:32:35 summatusmentis: I hope that the Pre2 dev pricing comes back Jul 01 03:32:39 I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around enyo too, but I just need to put some time into it Jul 01 03:32:41 last time I checked, they ran out Jul 01 03:32:47 the template apps are a really good source of info Jul 01 03:32:50 bnceo: the website still has a link Jul 01 03:33:10 I inquired about it a month or two ago and it was gone. they were waiting on fresh supply Jul 01 03:33:13 no idea if it's back yet Jul 01 03:33:21 will email the dev rel guy who told me so Jul 01 03:33:22 email again? Jul 01 03:33:44 Sorry for the delay, guys, I had to aid a relative. Jul 01 03:34:00 no biggie Jul 01 03:34:02 The Meta doctoring is going, it's looking up. And Rod, I'm on it! Jul 01 03:39:05 Alright, unplugging and replugging in the device didn't work, "Next" still remained greyed out. Jul 01 03:39:27 So, I powered off the device (while plugged in) and held the volume rocker up, and powered on. It seemed to work. Jul 01 03:39:37 And I got the big arrow! Jul 01 03:39:46 It's working, it didn't just turn on this time! Jul 01 03:40:02 :) Jul 01 03:40:04 nice! Jul 01 03:40:07 ok. bedtime. Jul 01 03:40:12 gnite guys. Happy TouchPad Day! Jul 01 03:40:20 Goodnight mate! Jul 01 03:44:25 night bnceo Jul 01 03:59:29 Hm...it says "We were unable to reset your phone" Jul 01 03:59:44 Now, I don't see anything about this on the Wiki. Jul 01 04:00:38 But, it's booting with the WebOSInternals logo Jul 01 04:01:06 how many percent? Jul 01 04:01:33 ^^ did it fail at? Jul 01 04:02:00 It didn't fail. Jul 01 04:02:11 It hit 100 and said "unable to reset phone" Jul 01 04:02:27 I'm booting manually now, and I have the WebOS Internals logo. Jul 01 04:02:35 So, I suppose this is the moment of truth. Jul 01 04:04:16 it *should* be done.. Jul 01 04:04:21 but I'm not 100% sure Jul 01 04:04:47 It says "Phone Offline" in the top left, and I have a spinning loading wheel. Jul 01 04:05:07 hrmm.. idk sorry Jul 01 04:05:09 I guess when it's done loading whatever it's loading, we'll see. This is strange... Jul 01 04:05:25 I wonder if Rod could tell if it worked or not. Jul 01 04:05:49 idk Jul 01 04:06:11 Is he still floating around out there? Jul 01 04:07:10 idk Jul 01 04:07:32 Hm, well, I don't know what it's doing Jul 01 04:07:37 It just keeps spinning Jul 01 04:19:51 Ted__: you should be novaterm'd into the device and watching /var/log/messages and ls-monitor Jul 01 04:20:31 I can't say I understand that, or know how to do it, I'm afraid. Jul 01 04:21:16 install the Palm SDK. Jul 01 04:21:23 run novaterm to access the command line on the device Jul 01 04:21:31 run "tail -f /var/log/messages" Jul 01 04:21:48 start another novaterm to get a second window into the device Jul 01 04:21:54 run "ls-monitor" Jul 01 04:22:02 watch the output of both windows as the device boots Jul 01 04:22:26 Okay, I'll do that right now! Is there anything I should be looking for, specifically? Jul 01 04:24:22 Could I do this part of the process via Windows? Jul 01 04:24:44 Because I don't see the command on HP/Palm's site on how to install on my version of Ubuntu. Jul 01 04:34:38 Rod, I'm going to do all of this Palm SDK stuff tomorrow, and return with my finding, for I have exams in the morning. Cheers, mate. Jul 01 14:01:43 Anyone here help me with a problem i'm having with Save/Restore? Jul 01 14:10:40 HebrewzHammer: what problem? Jul 01 14:11:40 * cryptk is at best buy, guess what I'm getting... Jul 01 14:12:35 2 touchpads?! Jul 01 14:12:35 an iPad? Jul 01 14:12:39 one for me too :) Jul 01 14:13:07 make it 3!! count me in .D Jul 01 14:13:09 :) Jul 01 14:13:13 motorola xoom Jul 01 14:13:20 * NuttyBunny slaps cryptk Jul 01 14:13:27 have to assess the competition Jul 01 14:13:43 so, you already have a TP? Jul 01 14:13:55 of course its a touchpad, lol Jul 01 14:14:13 I feel I *need* one Jul 01 14:14:15 haha Jul 01 14:14:16 they are locked in the cage, manager on his way with the keys Jul 01 14:14:20 * PatrickC needs one too Jul 01 14:14:26 doit Jul 01 14:14:30 you got one??? O.o Jul 01 14:14:44 cryptk: I don't have $499 for one.. Jul 01 14:14:47 getting it now Jul 01 14:14:58 get a job? Jul 01 14:15:00 awesome! Jul 01 14:15:03 I'm 15 lol Jul 01 14:15:11 I'm waiting on the dev discount Jul 01 14:15:18 16 or 32GB? Jul 01 14:15:22 child labor is ok if you work for a family member Jul 01 14:15:26 32 Jul 01 14:16:03 I love the angry birds sounds Jul 01 14:16:04 you can also get work permits at 15 Jul 01 14:16:10 PatrickC: Actually, I just figured it out. Thanx though Jul 01 14:16:15 sideways with button on the left Jul 01 14:16:17 I'll work at Publix soon Jul 01 14:16:31 pull card down and let go! Jul 01 14:16:53 wheeee! Jul 01 14:16:53 cryptk: pictures!!! Jul 01 14:17:03 it does that on the emu as well ;) Jul 01 14:21:55 PatrickC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqmPIegZ5ZA - Touch pad angry birds Jul 01 14:22:24 * PatrickC wonders if you could masq a pre2 to be 3.0.0 ??? Jul 01 14:22:49 * NuttyBunny is not allowed to talk about that Jul 01 14:23:03 cryptk: hahahaha Jul 01 14:23:29 i went to office depot, they said i could pre-order one Jul 01 14:23:29 wtf Jul 01 14:24:31 this bb has 19 32gb and 17 16gb Jul 01 14:25:21 Patrick: you can, but it wouldn't do you any good Jul 01 14:25:27 cryptk: why not? Jul 01 14:25:36 it would allow me to download 3.0.0 stuff :) Jul 01 14:25:37 won't enable its or anything Jul 01 14:25:47 not really Jul 01 14:25:47 wouldn't it? Jul 01 14:25:52 no enyo Jul 01 14:26:18 extract Enyo from the TP doctor that was released, and install it along side? Jul 01 14:26:28 I can say I'm 8 feet tall all day, doesn't change the fact that I'm 6'1" Jul 01 14:26:50 can't you sideload enyo from the tp doctor? Jul 01 14:26:58 so Enyo stuff will run? Jul 01 14:28:22 no, it wont Jul 01 14:28:44 hmm.. ok Jul 01 14:28:53 I've run Enyo stuff easily on my pre2 Jul 01 14:29:01 figured it would work similar Jul 01 14:30:30 haha, filled out the paperwork, guy saw my email addy and figured out who I am Jul 01 14:30:56 hahaha Jul 01 14:30:56 time to drive, bbiaf (that was the first one this bb sold) Jul 01 14:41:52 figured otu who you are? Jul 01 14:42:07 couldn't do that from the name part of the form? Jul 01 14:42:17 lol Jul 01 14:42:42 cryptk|offline: didn't they send wosi touchpads? Jul 01 14:43:00 * PuffTheMagic is now a TP owner :D Jul 01 14:43:27 you didn't get a pre-release unit either? Jul 01 14:43:35 no, im not in the cool club Jul 01 14:44:42 oh hey, july1... that means in theory they fixed my app catalog issue Jul 01 14:44:51 * dwc- picks up the pre2 Jul 01 14:45:01 dwc-: app cat issue Jul 01 14:45:04 ? Jul 01 14:45:13 PuffTheMagic: Did you get my tweet on time? did you get mine as well? ;) Jul 01 14:45:24 yea, the "what's new" section gave you an eternal spinner and no apps Jul 01 14:45:47 yep, fixed Jul 01 14:45:52 ah. I forgot about that Jul 01 14:45:57 there was an update? Jul 01 14:46:02 server side issue Jul 01 14:46:10 oh Jul 01 14:46:28 stupid cards lol Jul 01 14:47:21 the cards don't go away by themselves ;) Jul 01 14:48:05 haha.. ;P Jul 01 14:48:31 lol Jul 01 14:48:59 I'm just sayin ;) Jul 01 14:49:10 but... sometimes they do Jul 01 14:49:29 I accidently put my touchpad into USBmode... how do I get it out? Jul 01 14:49:42 unplug it? Jul 01 14:49:46 no Jul 01 14:49:52 eject the drive Jul 01 14:49:59 nono Jul 01 14:50:10 recovery mode... excuse me Jul 01 14:50:17 accidently put it in recovery mode Jul 01 14:50:50 ah, I believe hold the power button? Jul 01 14:51:00 nope Jul 01 14:51:12 hrmm.. idk then Jul 01 14:51:22 doctor :) Jul 01 14:51:25 ha Jul 01 14:51:38 wait.. novacom into it, and do the cmd tellbootie Jul 01 14:51:44 possibly? Jul 01 14:52:11 can u brick a tp? lol Jul 01 14:54:09 ok.. fixed enyo.. phew Jul 01 14:54:15 back Jul 01 14:54:17 cryptk: opened yet? :) Jul 01 14:54:39 doing it now Jul 01 14:55:07 yay!! lol Jul 01 14:55:13 I hope the dev discounts ome soon! Jul 01 14:55:15 come* Jul 01 15:03:19 NuttyBunny: no i didnt see your tweet Jul 01 15:06:31 kill_dano, hold the power button for a long time, it will turn off Jul 01 15:06:35 then turn it back on Jul 01 15:07:05 hey I tried that and it didn't work... I got it by pressign power and center button, triggered a restart Jul 01 15:07:57 or maybe I didnt press it long enough Jul 01 15:10:03 wow, thing is fast Jul 01 15:10:13 installed all of my apps from my palm profile in about 40 seconds Jul 01 15:10:16 total Jul 01 15:10:19 what?! Jul 01 15:10:21 sang Jul 01 15:10:26 dang* Jul 01 15:10:35 cryptk: how many apps? Jul 01 15:10:40 17 Jul 01 15:10:52 that's not too many Jul 01 15:10:58 pared with your phone yet? Jul 01 15:11:16 yep Jul 01 15:11:37 sms fwd'ing work? Jul 01 15:11:54 havent got a text yet Jul 01 15:11:57 lemme send myself one Jul 01 15:12:03 lol Jul 01 15:12:54 the call forwarding works with 1.4.5 but will sms forwarding work? Jul 01 15:12:54 ok, just emailed my phone Jul 01 15:13:03 RagingMind, SMS won't Jul 01 15:13:14 it requires a bluetooth profile that 1.4.5 doesn't speak Jul 01 15:13:18 my phone is a sprint Pre2 Jul 01 15:13:44 so that is still bluetooth and not some fancy magic that passes it through hp cloud servers? Jul 01 15:14:06 does 2.1 speak it? (like a pre+ with 2.1) Jul 01 15:15:12 well, my text didn't forward Jul 01 15:16:01 :/ Jul 01 15:16:12 maybe that needs another software update? I'd feel bad for all the people on verizon pre2s :( Jul 01 15:16:25 vzw got 2.1 Jul 01 15:16:50 which profile is it Jul 01 15:17:07 PatrickC, Yes... my statement still stands Jul 01 15:17:28 PatrickC: You still need a mainboard? Jul 01 15:17:46 I'll wait.. I want my touchpad first :) Jul 01 15:17:47 dwc-, MAP Jul 01 15:18:05 it isn't a finalized standard yet, but it is likely to be one very soon Jul 01 15:19:02 ok, im looking for a trade. a working gsm pixi or pre comms board for a pre mainboard Jul 01 15:19:13 2.1 on pre2 doesn't mention MAP in its supported profiles list either Jul 01 15:19:34 will likely need an update for that Jul 01 15:20:08 awesome. maybe we'll get lots of bugfixes at the same time Jul 01 15:20:22 so what does the tP do with dropbox? Jul 01 15:20:31 quickoffice Jul 01 15:20:35 ah Jul 01 15:20:42 get the box.net client! free 50GB! Jul 01 15:20:56 for how long? Jul 01 15:20:58 anyone have a veer to check bluetooth TP pairing? :) Jul 01 15:21:10 kill_dano: idk Jul 01 15:21:47 still no facebook chat huh? Jul 01 15:22:08 hrm. thought there was... Jul 01 15:22:14 lets all bug facebook! lol Jul 01 15:22:28 quick office, app catalog and adoibe reader have updates :D Jul 01 15:23:26 lol Jul 01 15:23:29 already? :P Jul 01 15:24:18 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developer_device_program.html Jul 01 15:25:08 DEV DEVICE PROGRAM Jul 01 15:25:57 no GPS? coulda fooled me.... found where a was with in like 50 feet Jul 01 15:27:34 if it loads the desktop version of facebook do you get chat in the bottom corner? Jul 01 15:27:36 got wifi? Jul 01 15:27:52 kill_dano, wifi with google services Jul 01 15:27:54 holy crap, great discounts Jul 01 15:27:58 yeah,... the bing app is sick Jul 01 15:33:04 I think I will close all my cards with this thing sideways Jul 01 15:34:08 i didn;t realise ow well integrated skype was Jul 01 15:34:42 TP is pretty much like a phone that runs on skype instead of a carrier Jul 01 15:36:54 kill_dano, have you checked if there is a doctor? Jul 01 15:37:22 nope Jul 01 15:37:46 please check, and if there is one, grab the link so we can get it on the wiki Jul 01 15:37:58 why do i need to check? Jul 01 15:38:13 cause i have a TP? Jul 01 15:38:18 I'm checking now Jul 01 15:38:20 send me the URL Jul 01 15:38:56 SDK 3 released. yay! Jul 01 15:39:05 we have a doctor! Jul 01 15:39:27 already? Jul 01 15:39:35 is this some kind of record for HPalm? Jul 01 15:39:55 updating wiki Jul 01 15:40:04 w00t Jul 01 15:40:04 it's 207MB Jul 01 15:40:12 HPalm did it right this time! Jul 01 15:41:52 http://hpplay.com/ Jul 01 15:42:47 scoutcamper, it doesn't like that I have linux :( Jul 01 15:42:54 lol Jul 01 15:43:06 I'm about to build a frankenpre2 from an unlocked GSM Pre2 and my old Sprint Pre-, and reading through all the tutorials... It isn't clear to me if I need to uncomment any extra features in the meta-doctor makefile. i.e. should I bypass the first use app? Jul 01 15:43:13 works fine on FF4 Win7Pro Jul 01 15:44:28 The server at developer.palm.com is taking too long to respond. Jul 01 15:44:32 jeez guys, quit it :p Jul 01 15:44:35 I'm on FF5 Debian Wheezy Jul 01 15:44:56 wow the cut and paste on the TP works awesome!@ Jul 01 15:45:46 wiki updated Jul 01 15:46:17 if there is anyone here with a 16GB TP, can you msg me the first 5 digits of your serial, I want to see if they match the 32GB Jul 01 15:46:31 or just tell me if they are 5CL11 Jul 01 15:47:24 5cl12 Jul 01 15:48:25 thanks, one digit off, how close is your model number? the 32 is HSTNH-129C Jul 01 15:49:24 same number Jul 01 15:49:44 odd that the 32 and 16 have the same model... Jul 01 15:50:26 I named my touchpad 'palmpad' Jul 01 15:50:34 FU HP Jul 01 15:50:44 kill_dano, that was the US trademark office Jul 01 15:50:45 ok, if anyone has a 32GB that does not have their first 5 in their serial 5CL11 let me know Jul 01 15:51:00 same go's for if anyone has a 16GB that the first 5 aren't 5CL12 Jul 01 15:51:02 they wanted PalmPad... which I think would have been much better Jul 01 15:51:07 they could have fought that it seemed like the silliest thing ever Jul 01 15:51:19 and if anyone has a model other than HSTNH-129C I am VERY interested Jul 01 15:51:28 HP owns palm thus they own the very name that they are being reprimanded for so IDK is it makes any sense Jul 01 15:51:30 that would have taken more time, and I guess they didn't want extra hold ups Jul 01 15:51:45 hrm... product number is new Jul 01 15:51:47 kill_dano, they were told that PalmPad was too generic Jul 01 15:51:59 but for some reason TouchPad isn't? *sigh* Jul 01 15:52:04 yeah Jul 01 15:53:26 cryptk, you updated the webos doctor versions page? Jul 01 15:54:07 RagingMind, yes Jul 01 15:54:18 ok, kill_dano does your product number start with FB355UA ? Jul 01 15:56:09 yes Jul 01 15:57:02 sweet Jul 01 15:57:21 that should be everything I need... unless you want to verify that your doctor URL is the same as the 32GB one Jul 01 15:57:32 I don't see a reason why it wouldn't be though Jul 01 16:00:16 I have better things to do :P Jul 01 16:00:34 like yell at my pre 2 for not fwding sms from my TP Jul 01 16:01:02 it doesn't have the MAP profile Jul 01 16:01:08 easily fixed in an update Jul 01 16:01:16 which I would hope will happen soon Jul 01 16:01:35 google voice will have to old me over Jul 01 16:04:20 upswipe in emu? Jul 01 16:04:36 * Lumiere starts restoring from his Pre- to get accounts Jul 01 16:04:43 nomnomnom Jul 01 16:05:02 Lumiere, you missed it... we already have doctors! Jul 01 16:05:31 nice Jul 01 16:05:37 Well I had to go GET one ;) Jul 01 16:05:46 getting one >>> Finding out there is a Dr Jul 01 16:05:51 now have to name her Jul 01 16:06:17 nothing on http://opensource.palm.com/ yet though Jul 01 16:06:39 hehe Jul 01 16:06:53 cryptk: just ask the touchpad? Jul 01 16:07:09 now all I am waiting for Jul 01 16:07:11 Lumiere, I was hoping for kernel sources and patches Jul 01 16:07:21 is the ~50 off stuff Jul 01 16:08:00 F YES Jul 01 16:09:07 cryptk, uname -a? Jul 01 16:10:13 yea... SSL VPN out of the box is pretty hot Jul 01 16:15:28 RagingMind, Linux CryptksTouchPad 2.6.35-palm-tenderloin #1 SMP PREEMPT 129.1.17 armv7l GNU/Linux Jul 01 16:16:10 tenderloin? LOL Jul 01 16:16:28 this is palm we're talking about... Jul 01 16:16:33 they do have a sense of humor Jul 01 16:23:55 has anyone pulled down the TP doctor yet? Jul 01 16:25:31 coveredwagonkid: yep, and alread flashed my device Jul 01 16:25:37 same Jul 01 16:25:41 and signed into my official palm profile. rebooting.... Jul 01 16:26:13 ok, I'm picking mine up now and I saw rod asking about it this morning Jul 01 16:26:33 I have to drive 2 hours to get one :( Jul 01 16:27:16 i'm driving 6 hours today, sad that those are 6 hours i won't be playing with a touchpad Jul 01 16:27:19 BRB it booted Jul 01 16:27:21 :3 Jul 01 16:28:06 I'll be buying one thru dev discount.. I'll have to wait :'( Jul 01 16:29:13 unfortunately, the only accessories I can get today is a zagg invisible shield Jul 01 16:29:24 no touchstone yet :( Jul 01 16:29:39 my touchstone is being delivered today Jul 01 16:29:51 * scoutcamper is going into town in a little while to pick up his 32gb TP and to look arround for Touchstones and cases Jul 01 16:30:06 well Jul 01 16:30:07 I preordered in store Jul 01 16:30:14 don't hold your breath on the cases Jul 01 16:30:45 Lumiere, i may buy an ipad case, it should fit i would think Jul 01 16:31:01 my Best Buy had a ton of Touchpad but no accessories Jul 01 16:31:02 i'd really like to try out the BT keyboard Jul 01 16:31:57 lumiere: same here Jul 01 16:32:27 my bb has a tp with my name on it Jul 01 16:32:54 * oilsworkn imagines touchpad with "scoutcamper" written with a sharpie on the glass Jul 01 16:32:56 and hopefully a touchstone as well Jul 01 16:33:02 lol Jul 01 16:33:18 hmm supernes and vba are marked not tp compatible (b/c they're not, yet!) but it's dl'ing supernes anyway (but not vba) Jul 01 16:33:19 i would be upset Jul 01 16:40:25 oilsworkn, is there a wirc build for the 3.0 emu? Jul 01 16:40:47 the version in the testing feed works with uirevision2 Jul 01 16:40:51 gg I need freetether for activation... Jul 01 16:40:52 (touchpad res) Jul 01 16:41:13 once its tested more itl hit the main feed and be pushed to catalog Jul 01 16:45:35 loving new magazine for apps Jul 01 17:00:42 Is there an easy way to open a *.deb file to see what's inside? Jul 01 17:00:59 file-roller Jul 01 17:01:13 or extracting it on the command line Jul 01 17:01:42 Cool. I want to see what made it into the first 3.0 Linux SDK release Jul 01 17:01:48 (Hoping it contains the PDK) Jul 01 17:01:53 nope... Jul 01 17:02:01 Frustrating. Jul 01 17:02:19 Do you need a beta Linux PDK build? Jul 01 17:03:10 well this is a little bit better Jul 01 17:06:04 singmajesty: dpkg -c Jul 01 17:06:17 or dpkg -x into a destdir Jul 01 17:07:06 I was looking at that deb actually, it's nice and fat, so I was hoping it has the PDK myself Jul 01 17:10:57 I just asked internally Jul 01 17:11:07 I'm told it includes PDK headers, libraries and an arm-gcc toolchain Jul 01 17:11:12 *win* if it does Jul 01 17:11:25 It still has the library warnings, but I think we'll have those gone soon Jul 01 17:11:28 at long last :) Jul 01 17:11:37 now people are going to whine about distro support ;) Jul 01 17:11:47 I know -- I've heard people say, "well, the Linux people know how to figure it out..." Jul 01 17:11:47 http://www.facebook.com/groups/webOSFriends?view=permalink&id=201407406577464 Jul 01 17:11:52 ...but in my mind, why should they? Jul 01 17:12:11 Linux seems like it should be a bigger platform for PDK development, anyway Jul 01 17:12:31 I feel a lot more comfortable with C/C++ when I am using Linux Jul 01 17:14:14 woah... okay I was very wrong Jul 01 17:14:31 someone in irc yesterday was saying that there may be a PDK in the works Jul 01 17:14:44 probably singmajesty Jul 01 17:15:27 but looking at the files this thing installed... there's an /opt/PalmPDK FULL of nifty things :) Jul 01 17:18:42 um... there is a bit of a problem though. the scripts included still look for JAVA16="/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.6/" like in the MacOS PDK Jul 01 17:19:36 Okay, good! Jul 01 17:19:45 Which script? Jul 01 17:19:59 nova-browser Jul 01 17:20:22 it's one that I remembered looking at when I was playing with the mac PDK a while ago Jul 01 17:20:28 There was a Linux PDK project, but it was old and was never completed Jul 01 17:20:33 That's why there was no Linux PDK Jul 01 17:20:59 That was scrapped, and the new Linux PDK is a derivative of the Mac PDK, compiled for Linux Jul 01 17:21:12 So please let me know any places where it should be changed Jul 01 17:21:50 the actual binaries I"ve seen thus far are all linux, so yay for that Jul 01 17:24:41 Send any issues you find to joshua.granick@palm.com Jul 01 17:24:47 Um... k Jul 01 17:25:03 I'll send them back to engineering to so we can be sure to get it resolved for the next release Jul 01 17:25:15 the jars dir is missing... Jul 01 17:25:39 Like for palm-install and palm-emulator? Jul 01 17:25:50 the nova broswer far from the mac pdk worked when I tried it, but here it's just not included. jsut the script to launch it Jul 01 17:26:10 /opt/PalmPDK/share/jars Jul 01 17:27:36 singmajesty: nice! Jul 01 17:27:46 I haven't ever actually used the PDK before (only having linux boxes) Jul 01 17:27:47 So palm-install, palm-package, palm-launch are functional, but nova-browser is not? Jul 01 17:27:53 singmajesty, yes Jul 01 17:28:05 Okay Jul 01 17:28:18 there is a /opt/PalmSDK/0.1/share/jars dir but there is not a /opt/PalmPDK/share/jars Jul 01 17:28:39 What files are there in the Mac PDK? Jul 01 17:29:20 oh boy... I just deleted the files I had lying around from that experiment so that I had room for the new sdk3 install Jul 01 17:32:02 woot, IRC from the touchpad! Jul 01 17:32:21 :) Jul 01 17:32:46 yup! Jul 01 17:33:18 i find portrait + thumb typing was working the best for me Jul 01 17:35:00 time to sleep, nn all Jul 01 18:15:01 guess it's time to doctor the phone again.. Jul 01 18:17:35 probably whip up a fresh meta doc Jul 01 18:18:03 metadoc gets wi bootup logo :) Jul 01 18:23:27 I know...I'm seeing that logo for far too long right now :( Jul 01 18:25:28 not that I don't like it Jul 01 18:25:43 * oilsworkn made it Jul 01 18:25:50 orly Jul 01 18:25:55 lol Jul 01 18:30:33 * Lumiere drools at skype Jul 01 18:37:33 Hello Jul 01 18:38:20 good morning Jul 01 18:38:35 Good morning to you too! Jul 01 18:39:22 I'm having a little bit of a problem installing the Palm SDK on Ubuntu 10.10 Jul 01 18:39:56 ok Jul 01 18:40:22 I just barely installed it on debian so what's up? Jul 01 18:41:17 Whenever I run the command on the HP/Palm website, it says: Jul 01 18:41:21 No command 'deb' found, did you mean: Command 'debc' from package 'devscripts' (main) Command 'derb' from package 'libicu-dev' (main) Command 'dab' from package 'bsdgames' (universe) Command 'debi' from package 'devscripts' (main) Command 'xdeb' from package 'xdeb' (universe) deb: command not found Jul 01 18:41:34 Sorry for the wall of text. Jul 01 18:42:37 dpkg? Jul 01 18:42:57 Pardon? Jul 01 18:43:03 Ted__: that' Jul 01 18:43:05 that's not a command Jul 01 18:43:28 that's a line for /etc/apt/sources.list Jul 01 18:43:39 Ah, alright, alright. I'm very new to ubuntu, and I'm just following what's on the website. Apologies. Jul 01 18:43:55 yeah it should say that better Jul 01 18:44:37 step 2 is a command though Jul 01 18:45:09 Ah, alright, thank you. Jul 01 18:45:12 np Jul 01 18:47:01 I'm doing this because I'm trying to doctor a Sprint Pre with an AT&T coms board, but the doctor kicked me at 100% and said "Could not restart your device."It boots, but upon booting just gives me a loading wheel. Rod told me to install the Palm SDK, and use novaterm to reach the command line of the device Jul 01 18:47:19 Would I need virtual box, as well? Jul 01 18:47:31 no Jul 01 18:47:43 not for what you want to do anyway Jul 01 18:47:51 Alright, thanks again! Jul 01 18:50:50 Novaterm is a program, yes? Jul 01 18:51:39 --Found it on the wiki (such a great site) Jul 01 19:02:38 Hello, sorry for going off -power outage. Jul 01 19:10:45 So I ran the command Rod told me to from the root of my pre (tail -f/var/log/messages) and I can't make anything of it. Jul 01 19:27:08 uh oh...palm.com/rom time to go back over and triple check my steps Jul 01 19:33:53 Anyone have a thought about how to accept a security certificate for a wifi connection? Jul 01 19:34:23 like portals? Jul 01 19:35:11 like my wireless uses has a certificate WPA enterprise Jul 01 19:35:47 I have no clue Jul 01 19:35:48 sorry Jul 01 19:36:30 I'll stab cryptk in the face when he gets on ;) Jul 01 19:37:01 haha Jul 01 19:38:58 Lumiere: under the hood it uses wpa-supplicant Jul 01 19:39:58 Loudergood: the issue is basically that the cert is not fully signed and therefore wpa-supplicant is throwing a huh? and WebOS doesn't know what to do with it Jul 01 19:40:46 ah a self signed cert? Jul 01 19:41:56 yea Jul 01 19:42:53 the proper way to do that involves adding the cert to the client I think...not sure how to do that on webos.. Jul 01 19:43:04 yep! hence why I was asking here :) Jul 01 19:47:58 I'd check on my phone right now but it's out of service for the moment Jul 01 19:48:07 I think I've seen a dialog for it though Jul 01 19:48:18 why is it out of service? Jul 01 19:50:11 stuck on the wosi logo booting Jul 01 19:50:23 now I'm working on doctoring it Jul 01 20:06:52 whee success Jul 01 20:07:47 at least I think so.. Jul 01 20:07:50 ah there's luna Jul 01 20:10:27 bah..forgot to enable wifi Jul 01 20:10:31 oh well Jul 01 20:11:54 lol Jul 01 20:22:27 heh Jul 01 20:25:29 got the wifi up in time Jul 01 20:25:52 watching the phone automatically reinstall all that stuff is a thing of beauty Jul 01 20:29:01 almost makes me want to kiss whoever came up with the idea Jul 01 20:29:06 almost Jul 01 20:46:16 anyone have 'available packages' greyed out in preware on touchpad? Jul 01 20:47:15 the enyo version doesnt work if that's what you're asking? Jul 01 20:47:24 oh Jul 01 20:47:36 i didnt realize that Jul 01 20:48:30 webosinternals WebOS Internals Jul 01 20:48:30 To be very clear: Preware works perfectly on the TouchPad, and installs in exactly the same ways it always has. Nothing different. Jul 01 20:48:35 whats that mean then? Jul 01 20:48:51 that Mojo preware works perfectly on the touchpad iirc Jul 01 20:49:16 yeah, its fixed for tp res Jul 01 20:49:20 back buttons/etc Jul 01 20:49:44 but enyo doesn't work yet? correct oilsworkn Jul 01 20:50:02 right, its not rewritten yet Jul 01 20:50:21 well i just installed preware from webos quick install (1.7.) Jul 01 20:50:33 and 'available packages' is greyed out Jul 01 20:50:35 is that why oil? Jul 01 20:50:53 im just surprised you guys would make this as a public release without it actually being able to install software Jul 01 20:51:06 because one person having trouble means it doesn't work? Jul 01 20:51:20 oh, patrickc made it sound like this is how its supposed to work Jul 01 20:51:22 this isnt? Jul 01 20:51:29 its supposed to work the same as it did on phones Jul 01 20:51:44 ok thats what i assumed, thanks oil Jul 01 20:51:46 do you have a network connection? was it able to download the feed data? Jul 01 20:51:48 i will try to figure it out Jul 01 20:52:23 ooh duh hahah i lost network connectivity Jul 01 20:52:47 lol Jul 01 20:53:20 azakus: hey fellow uiuc-er! :) Jul 01 20:53:21 o/ Jul 01 20:53:29 does wirc work yet? Jul 01 20:53:47 yeah Jul 01 20:53:53 keith: wirc in preware works great :) Jul 01 20:54:01 indeed Jul 01 20:54:09 awesome! Jul 01 20:54:27 azakus: you still in the chambana area? Jul 01 20:54:31 no, I'm in SF Jul 01 20:54:33 jesus, I didn't think I left that much email on the server....it appears to be syncing thousands of messages Jul 01 20:54:35 i couldn't find any local retailers selling tp accesories :( Jul 01 20:54:41 * azakus is a palm employee, ssshhh Jul 01 20:54:55 azakus: oh? congrats :) Jul 01 20:56:48 dtzWill: they dont go on sale yet. Jul 01 20:56:56 azakus: does the palm store have them Jul 01 20:56:59 er i mean 'hp webos sotre' Jul 01 20:57:11 as far as I know Jul 01 20:57:30 interesting since nobody else does Jul 01 20:57:44 so you dont really know them, youre just assuming? :) Jul 01 20:57:48 keith: ah, interesting. however, none of the retailers around me had anything touchpad or touchpad related at all, or knew that they existed Jul 01 20:58:05 the guy said the stores around here didn't get ipad stuff either when it launched Jul 01 20:58:06 so Jul 01 20:58:12 guess that's what i get for being in the middle of nowhere Jul 01 20:58:22 sokay amazon'll have them here soon enough :) Jul 01 20:59:10 wow, official online store doesn't have anything Jul 01 20:59:11 dtzWill: nobody got ipad stuff when they launched, it was a silent launch Jul 01 20:59:11 should be here on/around the 6th, so that works. but am traveling for the weekend to see family, would've been nice to have the accessories to go with the tp goodness ^.^ Jul 01 20:59:13 super lame Jul 01 20:59:19 keith: ah, shows what i know. :) Jul 01 20:59:24 azakus: yea, thats why i wanted to know if the official in person store has it :) Jul 01 20:59:29 dtzWill: i had a ipad on launch day too Jul 01 20:59:32 ah I'm not near there Jul 01 20:59:35 touchpad has far more apps than ipad did on launch day. Jul 01 20:59:46 azakus: ahh, youre in the soma office? i'm down off 20th and harrison in mission Jul 01 20:59:56 ipad on launch day was a complete joke. Jul 01 21:01:37 hilariously, the best buy online store has all the accessories, and the hp one doesn't Jul 01 21:01:48 azakus: but none of them ship for a week or two Jul 01 21:02:15 they all say 'Backordered' on BB.com Jul 01 21:02:32 keith: you're a recent palm recruit too, right? :) Jul 01 21:02:32 i was told hp webos store wont have them, either Jul 01 21:02:38 within the last year or so? Jul 01 21:02:40 dtzWill: nope, but i wouldnt mind being one :) Jul 01 21:02:55 oh i must misremembered. pretty sure i recognize your nick. oh well, sorry ^.^ Jul 01 21:03:09 i'm a recent sf transplant. and i've attended a few palm events, and i have friends who are employees :) Jul 01 21:04:03 is skype working any better? don't have a good person to call video-wise and don't feel like making another account :) Jul 01 21:04:07 no. Jul 01 21:04:07 also the hell is with the lack of camera app, honestly >.< Jul 01 21:04:22 skype did not work in the 3 tests i tried. Jul 01 21:04:34 it worked for me once on the dev device Jul 01 21:04:38 haven't tried on the updated firmware Jul 01 21:04:47 was hoping this would fix all those issues automagically Jul 01 21:04:48 * dtzWill cna dream Jul 01 21:06:32 they could've at leat shipped the tp with a sleeve like the pre :) Jul 01 21:07:02 anyone have skype? Jul 01 21:07:04 wannna test? Jul 01 21:07:12 windows, latest version Jul 01 21:07:14 dtzWill: agreed. Jul 01 21:07:24 dtzWill: but then less people would pay $50 for the $2 of plastic case :) Jul 01 21:07:25 Hello, everyone. Jul 01 21:07:31 Hello, Ted__ Jul 01 21:07:37 Let me say: I am jealous of the touchpad-ness I hear. Jul 01 21:07:46 anyone have skype? Jul 01 21:07:50 lets do some call testing! Jul 01 21:07:57 I would kill for one, but I lack funds :c Jul 01 21:08:07 keith: pm me your nick? :) Jul 01 21:08:16 sent Jul 01 21:08:31 agreed. I want but need better discount or more funds :( Jul 01 21:08:41 or both... Jul 01 21:08:57 So, do you guys mind giving me a hand with a progect I've been working on? Jul 01 21:09:42 is it homebrew or app cat? Jul 01 21:11:02 It's doctoring a Sprint Pre to run an AT&T :p Jul 01 21:11:43 Ted__, so you've switched or are gonna switch comm boards? Jul 01 21:13:05 The comms board has been switched, that was the easy part. It's getting this thing to doctor and run that's killing me. Jul 01 21:13:29 Rod has been giving me a hand, I know he's a busy guy, and I've been working day and night with little acomplishment. Jul 01 21:14:33 I've used: ./scripts/meta-wr-franken-sprint-pre-2.1.0 to doctor it, at first the phone would boot and kick me out of the doctor, and when it did doctor it got to 100% and said "Failed to restart your device" Jul 01 21:15:10 It booted, with the WebOS Internals Logo, followed by the HP logo, but I'm stuck on a sky screen, with a never ending load wheel. Jul 01 21:15:37 Ted__: fwiw i had random errors like that when i had a bad usb cable. was rather concerned until i switched (i tried different ports to no avail), and it works well again. Jul 01 21:15:40 just something to check :) Jul 01 21:15:54 oh if it booted to the load wheel nvm Jul 01 21:16:14 Rod told me to use Novaterm and run: "tail -f/var/log/messages" and "ls-monitor" but I don't know what I'm meant to be looking for in these lines of text. Jul 01 21:17:00 the hell skype integration is turrible. bummer. Jul 01 21:18:10 trying to update preware over tether sucks Jul 01 21:20:29 exit Jul 01 21:28:34 has anyone booted their tp into bootie and checked out the commands? seen if there was anything good or new added ? Jul 01 21:35:52 did the rootfs of webos1.x and 2.x have /opt there originally .. i thought we had to create that directory ? Jul 01 21:37:41 looks like 10 is the max fingers for the device according to hidd config Jul 01 21:38:31 man half the apps in the pivot magazine don't work/exist Jul 01 21:38:31 lol Jul 01 21:38:37 :( Jul 01 21:38:44 the kindle app, the fb app was flakey Jul 01 21:38:49 misc other ones jsut say 'n/a' Jul 01 21:38:54 kindle gets it's own full page Jul 01 21:39:03 the hell happened, in the reviews i read that seemed to work well enough? :( Jul 01 21:39:23 although lulz at "topaz on the topaz" :) Jul 01 21:41:29 Hi there Jul 01 21:45:51 angry birds HD for free is nice Jul 01 21:46:03 is it free for everyone or just those that already owned it? Jul 01 21:46:05 oh wait... Jul 01 21:46:05 ;) Jul 01 21:52:58 check the appid Jul 01 21:53:00 tell us Jul 01 21:53:01 :P Jul 01 21:53:20 there is libvorbis in webos3 it seems .. Jul 01 21:56:36 nice Jul 01 21:56:45 hmm how to get networking on my touchpad Jul 01 21:56:53 without using shitty phone tether Jul 01 21:57:00 is there any tools that let you search for where tp accessories might be available? Jul 01 21:57:14 leaving to drive for 5-6 hours shortly and would like to check for stores along the way without completely hating my life Jul 01 21:57:15 google? Jul 01 21:57:18 :-D Jul 01 21:57:45 that reminds me Jul 01 21:57:48 dtzWill: my local Best Buy that I got my TP at had tons of TPs and no accessories at all Jul 01 21:58:04 anyone know if bluetooth networking is doable on TP? Jul 01 22:00:39 Lumiere: for what value of 'doable'? we are in the -internals channel after all :) Jul 01 22:00:43 and i don't, either way. Jul 01 22:00:59 I think it should support PAN out of the box Jul 01 22:01:01 dtzWill: something I can do with no terminal access and no net Jul 01 22:01:06 but how that works I have no idea Jul 01 22:01:18 "that reminds me" -> http://twitter.com/#!/wdtz/status/86916249031938048 Jul 01 22:01:32 $5 (paypal) to whoever makes a patch for the TP keybd emoticons... I hate that they have "noses", they look stupid. :-( #bounty #serious Jul 01 22:01:52 basic issue is I can't login to wifi until I can get Terminal installed Jul 01 22:02:05 so that I can f with wpa-supplicant to install a broken certificate Jul 01 22:03:03 Lumiere: novaterm? Jul 01 22:03:20 can you do emergency mode call and '##devmode#' or similar? Jul 01 22:03:26 * dtzWill doesn't remember all the tricks Jul 01 22:05:57 you could try a modfied webos doctor Jul 01 22:06:23 pull the rootfs and add ssl certs in /etc/ssl/certs Jul 01 22:06:30 it's a wifi only device, I doubt it even has a dialer or the option to make an emergency mode call Jul 01 22:06:38 repack, and re-doctor Jul 01 22:06:54 SineOt: you and your good points. Jul 01 22:07:04 dwc-: yeah that'd work for well, was going for simple. Jul 01 22:07:14 not sure if meta has been officially updated for the new doctor or not. Jul 01 22:07:23 Simple would be sending me a TouchPad ;P Jul 01 22:07:26 well, you'd have to do it yourself, probably Jul 01 22:07:38 I don't imagine adding ssl certs was a part of the makefile Jul 01 22:07:55 dwc-: yeah but it has nice targets like 'unpack' and the like Jul 01 22:07:56 shrug Jul 01 22:08:06 ahh Jul 01 22:08:16 it looks like there's a dialer app in the touchpad doctor Jul 01 22:08:28 "title": "Phone & Video Calls", Jul 01 22:08:28 "id": "com.palm.app.phone", Jul 01 22:08:41 hmm, probably for Skype then :o Jul 01 22:08:48 hadn't really thought of that Jul 01 22:09:04 * SineOt holds a Touchpad up to his face, uses it to make phone calls Jul 01 22:10:23 I might be able to novaterm it somewhat Jul 01 22:16:07 dwc-: that's for skype as well as for the phone integration Jul 01 22:17:02 hmm Jul 01 22:17:09 I got a wifi up Jul 01 22:17:24 * scoutcamper hugs TP Jul 01 22:17:35 dtzWill: that's what I assumed Jul 01 22:17:42 ~TP is touchpad Jul 01 22:17:42 ...but tp is already something else... Jul 01 22:17:49 ~tp Jul 01 22:17:49 i heard tp is I AM THE GREAT CORNHOLIO! I NEED TP FOR MY BUNGHOLE! Jul 01 22:17:58 ~no TP is touchpad Jul 01 22:17:59 okay, scoutcamper Jul 01 22:18:05 haha Jul 01 22:18:10 ~tp Jul 01 22:18:10 it has been said that tp is touchpad Jul 01 22:18:40 oooooooooo quell is sweet Jul 01 22:18:44 * scoutcamper likes his touchpad Jul 01 22:18:51 nice and large screen :D Jul 01 22:19:12 scoutcamper: lucky :P Jul 01 22:19:46 * scoutcamper is a winner Jul 01 22:20:28 but no touchstone at local stores Jul 01 22:20:45 :/ Jul 01 22:21:03 id buy the touchstone, but its like $70... Jul 01 22:22:56 PatrickC: i'd buy one if one was availbale Jul 01 22:22:57 :( Jul 01 22:23:11 dtzWill: dev discount? Jul 01 22:25:57 ive got friends at local best buy, sopposed to get a call/ have one set aside for me when they arive :D Jul 01 22:26:55 * PatrickC steals it Jul 01 22:27:08 (j/k) Jul 01 22:27:32 scoutcamper: nice :) Jul 01 22:27:47 PatrickC: nah we covered this, it'll have 'scoutcampter' written on its screen in sharpie ^.^ Jul 01 22:27:55 my tp won't update preware... Jul 01 22:28:11 no, thats my TP, and it didnt :D Jul 01 22:28:59 dtzWill: I must have missed that convo haha Jul 01 22:29:12 ... Jul 01 22:29:29 anyways I go to update the feeds and it just fails silently Jul 01 22:37:17 any pro tips for traveling with the tp until the official case is avail? don't wanna have to purchase a temporary one if i can avoid it... Jul 01 22:38:00 iPad case? if needed? Jul 01 22:38:12 it'll fit really well in an ipad 1 case Jul 01 22:38:14 I'll be waiting to get mine... (tp that is) Jul 01 22:38:14 dtzWill, got a netbook neoprene case? Jul 01 22:38:18 yeah, just didn't wanna buy one for the next few weks. Jul 01 22:38:25 scoutcamper: goood call i actually think i have one for my eee Jul 01 22:38:26 ^____^ Jul 01 22:38:39 thats what im using :D Jul 01 22:40:08 dtzWill: there's always http://www.flickr.com/photos/luns/127811078/ Jul 01 22:41:26 haha Jul 01 22:42:12 dwc-: lol Jul 01 22:42:27 fits great Jul 01 22:42:52 it's a tad loose, but still i can carry it without being so concerned Jul 01 22:42:56 wonderful, tyvm ^.^ Jul 01 22:51:22 no Terminal app for tp... Jul 01 23:53:11 yay keyboard shipped, should be here on the 5th :D Jul 01 23:54:08 nice Jul 01 23:54:32 i am really not excited about a KB Jul 01 23:54:37 * Loudergood likes this hipper, more modern version of the meta doctor script that automagically installs flash Jul 01 23:54:38 seems to defeat the purpose Jul 01 23:55:19 PuffTheMagic: you have to think of it as a companion to the touchstone, Jul 01 23:55:19 PuffTheMagic: I would like the kb Jul 01 23:55:26 seems like a good addition Jul 01 23:55:32 when typing a lot it would be nice Jul 01 23:55:41 yeah Jul 01 23:55:44 not really a OMG MUST HAVE but it'd probably have its uses Jul 01 23:55:48 i wont be using my TP like a desktop Jul 01 23:55:49 like developing on device ;) Jul 01 23:55:51 especially with the angle the Touchstone puts the TP at Jul 01 23:56:04 it's a device I would buy for $20 though, not at its current price Jul 01 23:56:10 there will be a deal desktop or laptop where every i could have the touchstone thing Jul 01 23:56:12 I'll be using mine more then I use my laptop :) Jul 01 23:56:15 real Jul 01 23:56:43 the tp has more everything then my laptop haha.. :P Jul 02 00:56:38 could someone download the typewriter beta app and tell us what you think? thanks1 Jul 02 00:56:47 link? Jul 02 00:56:55 and #webos would also be a good channel Jul 02 00:56:57 Its in the touchpad app store Jul 02 00:57:02 ah Jul 02 00:57:08 free Jul 02 00:57:08 I don't have a touchpad, sorry Jul 02 00:57:24 sorry ill go to webos Jul 02 00:57:31 np Jul 02 01:09:15 ok, who activated a production touchpad today? Jul 02 01:09:16 I need to know if you got the App Catalog "Select Country" screen. Jul 02 01:19:53 PuffTheMagic got his ;) Jul 02 01:20:03 and he didn't get mine :P Jul 02 01:20:24 haha Jul 02 01:25:16 * rrix glares at webos Jul 02 01:25:32 my pre2 just turned on and said that a restore was required Jul 02 01:25:43 weird Jul 02 01:25:51 which means I'll have to dig up my windows machine to put preware back on it using wosqi :( Jul 02 01:26:05 why windows? Jul 02 01:26:17 novacom doesn't work in Fedora for some reason Jul 02 01:26:28 I think there's some incompatibility with the version of libusb we ship Jul 02 01:27:04 ah Jul 02 01:27:20 there are init script and libusb issues that pop up on things besides the supported ubuntu Jul 02 01:28:57 Right Jul 02 01:29:09 the init scripts I can work around, but libusb I cannot, so I just use windows Jul 02 01:29:12 yeah the upstart/init thing is easy to fix Jul 02 01:29:50 * rrix is kinda frustrated by this :( I gotta remember all the stuff I had from preware now Jul 02 01:30:35 you can use library path and an alternate version of libusb to avoid digging up another computer Jul 02 01:33:51 And why can I never log in to my palm profile unless I reset my password? Even my recovery question doesn't work. Jul 02 01:37:41 rrix: the saved packages list that you had save/restore backup to your usb partition every day using the scheduling feature will have remembered that Jul 02 01:37:49 (your list of Preware apps that is) Jul 02 01:37:52 Ah, right. Jul 02 01:37:54 Duh :) Jul 02 01:38:42 i just picked up 5 neoprene slip covers Jul 02 01:38:49 to see which i like the best Jul 02 02:13:16 rwhitby: any ideas about configuring an ssl cert for wpa on a tp? Jul 02 02:17:42 Lumiere: have you added it to your certificate manager? Jul 02 02:18:14 I copied it into /etc/ssl/certs, but I didn't see where certificate manager was Jul 02 02:19:24 the issue is it WPA-EAP with a cert that you have to accept Jul 02 02:20:15 I just happened across it in Device Info -> Menu Jul 02 02:20:16 lucky me Jul 02 02:22:30 it has been there for a long time :P Jul 02 02:22:47 yea, but there is no reason to know until you need it Jul 02 02:22:56 hmm still isn't connecting after trusting the cert Jul 02 02:23:27 try connecting with the browser, and accept the cert? Jul 02 02:23:40 I can't connect to the wifi Jul 02 02:23:49 I grabbed the pem file off my laptop and usbdrived it over Jul 02 02:24:39 it did work when I accepted added the cert in the certs app Jul 02 02:25:40 Lumiere: certificate manager app Jul 02 02:25:47 look in the menu of device info Jul 02 02:26:09 he added it, but it doesn't work Jul 02 02:28:17 "Unable to connect. Try again." Jul 02 02:30:12 I am working through the messages log grepped for wifi but it is somewhat loud Jul 02 02:36:30 I may have to sit on this till cryptk shows up here in 30 minutes **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 02 02:59:57 2011