**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 02 02:59:57 2011 Jul 02 03:00:36 has anyone played with ls-control or ls-hubd on their tp yet? know what it is ? Jul 02 03:08:25 did webos2 come with ipv6 stuff in /usr/sbin? Jul 02 03:09:04 format_sd.sh talks about formatting SD cards Jul 02 03:10:53 bpadalino: ls is lunaservice - the dbus replacement for palm service bus messages Jul 02 03:11:08 rwhitby: sure i understand that .. but control and hubd ? Jul 02 03:11:21 i knew about ls-monitor Jul 02 03:11:29 hubd is the hub daemon Jul 02 03:11:41 ls-control rescans the service description files Jul 02 03:12:56 ah Jul 02 03:18:54 setup-tc .. did we play with that before ? traffic control/shaping ? Jul 02 03:21:18 libaffinity sounds interesting as well Jul 02 03:33:46 Hello all. Jul 02 03:35:36 Does Rod happen to be around? Jul 02 03:36:10 hey rwhitby, do you happen do be around? Jul 02 03:36:16 yes Jul 02 03:36:27 just like magic :) Jul 02 03:37:36 lol Jul 02 03:37:47 Hello, Rod. I've not what you requested: I installed Palm SDK, and ran Novaterm, with the commands you gave me, with my Pre plugged into my computer, but I don't understand what I'm looking at, exactly. Jul 02 03:38:05 done* not, "not" Jul 02 03:38:18 (stupid autocorrect) Jul 02 03:39:06 Ted__: did the doctor complete successfully? Jul 02 03:40:10 Yesterday it stopped somewhere between 90 and 100%, and said "Failed to restart device." The device booted with the WebOS Internals/HP logo, but then gave me a cloud backgroud with an infinite "loading" screen. Jul 02 03:40:54 Ted__: what was in the console log while the doctor was runnig. Jul 02 03:41:07 it would have reported the error there when it said "Failed to restart device" Jul 02 03:41:13 Ah, I think I made a mistake. Jul 02 03:41:38 I ran the novaterm commands and booted the phone, I thought an error would have reported there while booting. Jul 02 03:42:08 I'll try to run the doctor again with the tail -f/var/log/messages and ls-monitor running. Jul 02 03:42:15 Does that sound about right? Jul 02 03:44:36 When I try to re-create the doctor, I get this message: bash: ./scripts/meta-wr-franken-sprint-pre-2.1.0: No such file or directory Jul 02 03:48:03 It worked previously, I don't know why it wouldn't now. Jul 02 03:54:33 PatrickC: hi :) Jul 02 03:54:42 hey Jul 02 03:54:50 ok.. get Unified Diff Creator Jul 02 03:54:53 need the link? Jul 02 03:55:12 oh. I'm @awesomeapps_ Jul 02 03:55:52 is that a thing that runs on the phone? Jul 02 03:55:57 er tablet, whatever Jul 02 03:56:07 Ted__: which wiki page are you following, and which step are you up to. Jul 02 03:56:25 cxreg: nope, that's what makes the .patch file Jul 02 03:56:31 ah well, i'm aware of diff :) Jul 02 03:56:33 Ted__: if you get that message, then you are not following the instructions precisely, and you have not even begun to build the meta-doctor Jul 02 03:56:36 and how patches work Jul 02 03:57:03 cxreg: all you need is a unified diff rooted at / Jul 02 03:57:12 well that's easy Jul 02 03:57:16 then what Jul 02 03:57:38 I did everything the same as I did yesterday, though. I copied the exact commands from the wiki, and used the script you provided me with. [./scrips/meta-wr-franken-sprint-pre-2.1.0] (unless I'm typing something wrong.) Jul 02 03:57:42 is there some 'bundle it up as a package' gizmo somewhere, or is that a manual process? Jul 02 03:57:47 I'll hit up the wiki page again and see if it helps. Jul 02 03:58:04 cxreg: I use http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/210781-unified-diff-creator.html Jul 02 03:58:28 oh i see Jul 02 03:58:45 cxreg: http://patches.webos-internals.org is what is used to package them for distribution in Preware Jul 02 03:59:08 oh right on Jul 02 03:59:23 you just send the diff there? Jul 02 03:59:29 you guys rule Jul 02 03:59:53 cxreg: yeah, with metadata and screenshots and so forth Jul 02 04:01:45 whoever wrote busybox is some kind of romulan Jul 02 04:01:48 seriously Jul 02 04:03:06 Rod: same thing, I'm 100% sure I'm following the wiki correctly, this is my third time, I'm getting the same error. Jul 02 04:03:24 Is it because I've previously made the doctor...? Jul 02 04:06:23 Ted__: pastebin the log of everything to did at http://pastebin.com, then give me the URL it gives you. Jul 02 04:07:55 Here you go mate: http://pastebin.com/wbFxQV63 Jul 02 04:08:11 From when I followed the wiki page, to the failier of the doctor being created. Jul 02 04:08:20 fatal: destination path 'meta-doctor' already exists and is not an empty directory. Jul 02 04:08:26 do this: Jul 02 04:08:51 "cd meta-doctor ; git reset --hard HEAD ; git pull" Jul 02 04:09:15 that will update your meta-doctor directory to the latest, clearing out any local modifications you have made in the process Jul 02 04:09:36 Alright, so run that command then ru nthe script as I would normally? Jul 02 04:10:01 yep Jul 02 04:10:09 oh, do a "make clobber" too Jul 02 04:10:15 before running the script Jul 02 04:10:27 that will clear out any previous builds, but keep your downloads Jul 02 04:10:42 Alright, thanks Rod, I'll keep you posted! Jul 02 04:12:11 Alright, it's building. Now, while it's building, should I prepare the "tail -f/var/log/messages" and "ls-monitor"? Jul 02 04:12:26 Ted__: if you pastebin any problems like that, lots of folks here will be able to help you Jul 02 04:12:45 it's the most efficient way to report a problem and get precise help Jul 02 04:13:10 Yes, that site is brilliant, thank you! It's so much easier than trying to describe it, I just never knew how to log -but now I do! Jul 02 04:13:26 * rwhitby bbiab Jul 02 04:14:10 So, would I run those other commands as soon as I plug my pre in for the doctor? Jul 02 04:29:09 Hey, Rod, sorry about that -I got dropped fro mthe chat for some reason. Jul 02 04:29:50 The Doctor disconnected my Pre, but now it's working again -this time without having to be put in recovery mode. So, I'm hoping it works. Jul 02 04:37:59 While the doctor is running (past 12%, so Novaterm acess is possible) "ls-monitor" doesn't work. Jul 02 04:44:43 It got stuck at 52%, I'll try again. Rod, do you want the log of everything thus far? Jul 02 04:51:26 anyone using cmake to build for a device? Jul 02 04:54:50 I'm not familiar with that, Im afraid...no a no from me. Jul 02 04:54:54 so* Jul 02 05:00:42 The bloody doctor doesn't get past 52%, again. Jul 02 05:02:09 Ted__: waiting for the pastebin ... Jul 02 05:02:35 I'm sorry, I never got a reply if you wanted it or not. Let me grab it. Jul 02 05:02:52 Ted__: I always want it. as the very first thing. Jul 02 05:03:07 Okay, noted :) Jul 02 05:03:42 http://pastebin.com/YhcypzLX Jul 02 05:03:44 prefix it with "rwhitby: ", rather than Rod, cause then I will see it highlighted, even hours after you paste it Jul 02 05:04:25 Alright, noted, again! Jul 02 05:04:32 Ted__: there is a hardware problem with the connection to your comms board Jul 02 05:04:40 Also, the doctor has creeped to 54%, but I see a lot of errors. Jul 02 05:04:48 Really> Jul 02 05:04:51 Hm, okay. Jul 02 05:04:52 open it up, check your connections, and try agian Jul 02 05:05:00 "Error in Read Data from MODEM (TIMEOUT)!" Jul 02 05:05:02 alrighty. Jul 02 05:05:38 Alrighty, was I meant to keep the back of the AT&T Pre Plus when I added the comms board? Jul 02 05:05:40 that also explains your spinning circle in first use Jul 02 05:06:03 It was running before, in "Offline Mode" Jul 02 05:06:10 But, I'll open it up right now. Jul 02 05:06:10 the plastic bit with the antenna should always stay with the comms board, wherever it goes Jul 02 05:06:40 Alrighty, I kept it, I don't know what I could had done wrong...any ideas so I can double check? Jul 02 05:10:20 WOSQI says TP has a 13.h2 mhz CPU! lol no wonder the slowdown :P Jul 02 05:10:35 13.52* Jul 02 05:11:06 that's the BogoMips figure for a TouchPad, yes. Not MHz CPU, BogoMips Jul 02 05:13:49 The white and black cables connecting to the back of the Pre's coms board. Jul 02 05:14:27 rwhitby: Do you think it is possible that I plugged them in in-reverse? Does the white or black cable come first. Jul 02 05:15:23 that won't affect that error Jul 02 05:15:56 BogoMips? Fuck rod is smart Jul 02 05:16:32 Hm, maybe one of the connectors the the chip was loose. Jul 02 05:17:32 rwhitby: the friend that gave this pre to me said something about it havind a "burnt out radio," or at least that's what he though -but the radio is the Sprint Coms board right? So it couln't be that. Jul 02 05:18:07 the problem could be on the CPU board end of the connection to the comms board Jul 02 05:18:14 maybe the comms board was fine all the time Jul 02 05:18:46 Well, the phone worked before, perfectly -like I said, just in offline mode, if that matters. Jul 02 05:23:12 * Lumiere notes that Beats Audio sounds really good Jul 02 05:23:27 * bhuey wonders if webos quick install works for 2.1 Jul 02 05:33:59 Does the latest version of webos quick install work on the touch pad on X64 machine so that i can install preware? Jul 02 05:37:49 navinag, AFAIK it does, but you would want to check it's PC thread to be sure Jul 02 05:37:58 we don't make WOSQI Jul 02 05:38:13 * phil_bw wanders by Jul 02 05:38:16 so how should i install preware? Jul 02 05:38:31 I installed it with palm-install from the 3.0 SDK Jul 02 05:38:33 isnt that the easy method...unless there is a preware installer Jul 02 05:38:47 ugg. mac isn't reading discs again Jul 02 05:38:50 Change Log Jul 02 05:38:51 v4.2.1 - July 1, 2011 Jul 02 05:38:51 - Will now install properly Novacom drivers for webOS 3.x Jul 02 05:38:51 where do i get the IPK? Jul 02 05:38:56 looks like it should work Jul 02 05:39:00 WOSQI that is Jul 02 05:39:19 so much for playing with remote x stuff Jul 02 05:39:30 it instlls the drivers....but freezes wh en i plug in the device...i put the device in dev mode and set a dev password Jul 02 05:40:05 well, I have the 3.0 SDK installed, so I used palm-install with this ipk http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/org.webosinternals.preware_1.7.0_arm.ipk Jul 02 05:40:22 oh, dev password would do it i think Jul 02 05:40:46 So, while I'm doctoring: I might as well as, how's the TP? Jul 02 05:41:06 navinag, WOSQI was recently updated, are you using the latest version? Jul 02 05:41:23 yes..just downloaded it Jul 02 05:41:25 4.2.1 came out only a handfull of hours ago Jul 02 05:41:36 about dev password...should i just clear it? Jul 02 05:41:45 I left mine blank Jul 02 05:41:49 ok Jul 02 05:41:51 that might be it Jul 02 05:41:51 same Jul 02 05:41:56 i will make it blank Jul 02 05:42:03 you can set a password to keep people from being able to put it in and out of dev mode if you want to Jul 02 05:42:07 but it is optional Jul 02 05:42:11 and a personal decision Jul 02 05:42:25 my devices never leave dev mode, so i don't see the point in having one on my devices Jul 02 05:42:40 I think that is more for buisness/corporate use, but some private users may like it Jul 02 05:43:20 well my device is in dev mode but i cant clear the passwor that i set..device says "Cant leave field blank" Jul 02 05:45:55 have you ever set a password for it? Jul 02 05:47:31 rwhitby: I got the "$ Open Port /dev/modemdiag Failed(2=No such file or directory)! $ Error in Read Data from MODEM (TIMEOUT)! " error again... Jul 02 05:48:00 I wish I knew what I was doing wrong, I'm positive the board is in correctly. Jul 02 05:52:28 +cryptk: yes i did Jul 02 05:54:03 rwhitby: what would you do from here? Should I call it quits? Jul 02 05:56:57 dunno Jul 02 05:57:21 Is there anything you'd double check? Jul 02 05:57:45 Maybe I should put the Sprint Board in, flash it back to normal, then try again. Jul 02 05:58:03 I just don;t know... Jul 02 05:58:14 novatool? Jul 02 05:59:49 doesn't seem to recognize touchpad :( Jul 02 06:00:04 novacom drivers installed, allegedly Jul 02 06:02:11 Ted__: did you do --wifi-only when you ran the script? Jul 02 06:02:26 No, I'm actually attempting to gain service. Jul 02 06:02:45 It was just ./scripts/meta-wr-franken-sprint-pre-2.1.0 Jul 02 06:03:12 you won't gain service with a broken connection to the modem Jul 02 06:03:35 Ah, so the problem is with the phone -not the coms board connected Jul 02 06:04:01 I thought the Modem meant that I had made a mistake with the comms board. Jul 02 06:04:24 the problem is somewhere between the CPU and the modem chip Jul 02 06:04:30 the two are not talking Jul 02 06:04:37 99% of the time that is a hardware problem Jul 02 06:04:43 Hm...any way to fix it? Jul 02 06:05:02 not really... Jul 02 06:05:09 you need to find which piece of hardware is bad Jul 02 06:05:12 then replace that piece Jul 02 06:05:22 unless it's just a simple connection seating problem Jul 02 06:05:41 true Jul 02 06:05:41 Is there a way to test for a simple connection seating problem? Jul 02 06:05:49 take the board out and reinstall it Jul 02 06:05:55 double check the connections Jul 02 06:06:26 I've already done that...I here the "click" and everything when I press the two together. Jul 02 06:06:39 I can try again, though. I just don't know what to look for. Jul 02 06:06:52 are you double checking both connectors? Jul 02 06:07:06 Both the small and the big, yes... Jul 02 06:07:28 well, do you have another comm board you can test in that phone? or another phone you can test that comm board in? Jul 02 06:08:17 could be the end of the connector on the omap board Jul 02 06:08:23 but that's much harder to check Jul 02 06:08:24 I have an AT&T pre plus with a broken screen, everytime I took it apart and put it back together it booted fine. And I have the Sprint Coms board, previous to the switch, it worked, but the phone was in "Offline Mode" Jul 02 06:08:45 How could I check it? Jul 02 06:11:15 you would need to swap parts between different devices to see if everything works Jul 02 06:11:29 there isn't a "press this button and run a hardware integrity test" app or anything Jul 02 06:12:30 Heh, even if there was, I wouldn't be able to get to it. Jul 02 06:12:31 Hmm, just updated PHD on production device, and it doesn't run. Jul 02 06:12:47 Can anyone else tell me whether PHD 2.0.0 runs on their touchpad? Jul 02 06:13:20 So, I have a dead AT&T Pre Plus. Is it possible to take the two peices that may not be "talking" on the Sprint Pre, and drop them in? Jul 02 06:14:36 rwhitby, runs fine for me Jul 02 06:15:04 Ted__, that depends on what you mean by dead Jul 02 06:17:06 It has a cracked screen, is all Jul 02 06:17:14 Virtually unusable. Jul 02 06:22:35 So is it possible? Jul 02 06:22:40 move the comm board over to it Jul 02 06:22:46 see if that device picks it up Jul 02 06:22:58 move the GSM comm board to the other phone Jul 02 06:23:01 see if it picks it up Jul 02 06:23:05 process of elimination Jul 02 06:23:58 THe GSM board works in the other phone, that's where I got it from, and it doesn't seem to be working with the Sprint phon. Jul 02 06:24:51 ok, put the sprint comm board in another phone and see if the comm board works there Jul 02 06:25:37 The Sprint coms board was told to be "Burnt out" and it didn't work, when I got the phone, it was in offline mode. Jul 02 06:26:20 so you have a comm board that you were told was no good... didn't work in the phone that it was in... and yet you think it would work somewhere else Jul 02 06:27:07 Well, my thoughts were that, if the coms board was broken in the sprint pre, that I could replace it with the gsm board, and it would work. Jul 02 06:27:32 oh, so you are replacing the comm board you were told was bad Jul 02 06:27:43 could be that the comms board was fine all along and it is some other part that was bad Jul 02 06:28:02 could be the cable that connects it, the connector on the main board, all kinds of things Jul 02 06:28:30 cryptk: thanks for checking, I was worried there. Jul 02 06:29:07 works for me after a rebooti now too Jul 02 06:29:15 yeah... looks like that one was all you, lol Jul 02 06:29:37 Hm, the the specific error was between the modem and something else -you and Rod mentioned it earlier. I was wondering if I could take those parts from the AT&T pre, and put them in the SPrint pre, then see if this all works. Jul 02 06:29:52 the system board? Jul 02 06:29:57 you probably could Jul 02 06:30:08 I have swapped system boards on a Pre2 Jul 02 06:30:31 Well, this is kinda a hobby, and I have an extended weekend, so I'm up for anything. Jul 02 06:30:43 Is switching the system board difficult? Jul 02 06:32:27 THe error I got, again, was :$ Open Port /dev/modemdiag Failed(2=No such file or directory)! $ Error in Read Data from MODEM (TIMEOUT)! Jul 02 06:33:49 much more difficult than a comm board Jul 02 06:33:56 and much greater chance of breaking something Jul 02 06:34:08 Well, both phones are broken in their own sense. Jul 02 06:34:33 And, this is just to see if it would work, so I can take the risk. I found the comms switch very easy. Jul 02 06:34:54 But, before I go on with that, is the system board what talks with the modem? Jul 02 06:36:24 rwhitby: Rod, you mentioned something about the CPU and modem Jul 02 06:36:42 yes Jul 02 06:36:47 there are only 2 boards really Jul 02 06:36:56 the system board and the comm board Jul 02 06:37:01 they are connected by those cables Jul 02 06:37:14 Could I replace the cpu/modem fro mthe sprint pre with the ones from the AT&T pre? Jul 02 06:37:19 the problem is either the comm board, the system board, or the cable Jul 02 06:37:31 you mean the system board? Jul 02 06:38:12 That was directed at Rod, sorry, it was a followup to my previous message because he mentioned the CPU, I just needed clarification. Jul 02 06:38:19 * rwhitby bbl Jul 02 06:38:37 But, yes, the system board: how would I go about swaping that now? Also, is there a way to check the cable, before going all out and swaping the boards? Jul 02 06:39:06 to swap the system board you would need to fully disassemble the phone Jul 02 06:39:25 it is literally one of the last pieces you remove Jul 02 06:39:43 and yes, you can swap them Jul 02 06:39:59 If I had a form of guidence, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Jul 02 06:40:07 there isn't any Jul 02 06:40:18 I know... Jul 02 06:40:27 How did you figure it out? Jul 02 06:41:11 I took it apart, very very carefully Jul 02 06:41:28 this is definitely not something for the feint of heart, and it is not something I feel comfortable walking someone through Jul 02 06:42:10 Do you need special tools to acomplish this? Jul 02 06:42:25 same as for the comm board swap Jul 02 06:42:28 and small philips Jul 02 06:43:00 Heh, you now what, call me brave, but I want to attempt this. Jul 02 06:43:43 It can't hurt anything, afterall. I have both a t5 and a philips. Jul 02 06:44:40 So, with the coms board out, where do I go? And, what exactly is the system board? Jul 02 06:46:59 it is not something I feel comfortable walking someone through Jul 02 06:47:05 that means I am not going to walk you through it Jul 02 06:47:12 especially over IRC Jul 02 06:47:18 there are too many things that can go wrong Jul 02 06:47:22 and I have only ever done it on a Pre2 Jul 02 06:47:26 and only ever once Jul 02 06:48:31 Well, I wasn't expecting to do it at this hour, I just wanted to get an idea of what I was getting myself into. Jul 02 06:49:21 It honestly seems like my only choice. Jul 02 06:51:27 I know it's asking a lot, but if you get the time sometime to form a guide, or just some advice, could you email me, provided I give you my email. Jul 02 06:51:54 I won't get offended if you say no, it does sound offly hard, and such. Jul 02 06:58:05 cryptk: are you there, mate? Jul 02 06:58:49 here's some advice... don't expect a guide. Jul 02 06:59:11 this is definitely not something for the feint of heart, and it is not something I feel comfortable walking someone through Jul 02 06:59:26 if I'm not going to walk you through it, why would I make a guide walking you through it Jul 02 06:59:28 Alright, apologies. Jul 02 06:59:31 if you want to go about doing it, I would say take pictures of what you're doing, make sure you don't lose anything Jul 02 06:59:45 and have fun Jul 02 07:00:10 Indeed, indeed. Jul 02 07:00:39 If I just knew where to start! lol But, I'll figure it out, there's only so many ways to do it. Jul 02 07:00:50 if you see a screw.... you probably have to remove it Jul 02 07:00:53 there is your guide Jul 02 07:03:02 Heh, fair enough! Jul 02 07:03:05 Thanks guys! Jul 02 07:04:00 It's just the metal plate behind the battery and coms boad that's throwing me off. Jul 02 07:06:54 Wish me luck! Jul 02 07:07:12 Alright guys, thanks again for all the advise. Jul 02 07:07:17 here is a hint Jul 02 07:07:24 the system board is in the half with the screen Jul 02 07:07:45 Oh dear lord. Jul 02 07:07:47 That makes it so much more fun. Jul 02 07:08:02 and if you hear a loud pop Jul 02 07:08:06 then you're doing it wrong Jul 02 07:08:21 Haha what is peices of plastic start snapping? lol Jul 02 07:08:45 I'm assuming the system board is what it attached to the camera? Jul 02 07:08:45 if pieces of plastic start snapping, then it would make a loud pop... at which point you are doing it wrong Jul 02 07:08:50 no Jul 02 07:08:55 Ah, okay Jul 02 07:08:57 the camera is in the half with the battery Jul 02 07:09:04 the system board is in the half with the LCD Jul 02 07:09:18 I'm telling you, you have to completely disassemble the phone to take it out Jul 02 07:09:40 Hey, I'm okay with that, it's broken anyways. Jul 02 07:10:19 I mean, I'll probably fail and endup getting a used sprint pre on ebay and just doctoring that Jul 02 07:10:23 But, in the mean time... Jul 02 07:11:31 I've made it to the lcd half Jul 02 07:11:36 High five, anyone? Jul 02 07:13:31 Well, now it's a matter of figuring otu which board it is... Jul 02 07:14:57 Oh, f- was that a pop? Jul 02 07:19:36 I got the second layor off the lcd side, now what is the system board? Jul 02 07:21:49 it is the biggest board in the thing Jul 02 07:22:00 if you have to ask, then what you are looking at probaly isn't it Jul 02 07:22:46 I mistook the digitizer as the board, for it was barried farthest in. So, on the green board, what do I need, exactly? All of it? Jul 02 07:22:52 It came out it one nice peice. Jul 02 07:23:00 hi all Jul 02 07:23:11 hi cryptk Jul 02 07:23:46 Ted__, it is not something I feel comfortable walking someone through Jul 02 07:23:51 hey Jack87 Jul 02 07:23:57 Sorry, sorry... Jul 02 07:24:59 Welll...I got it out in one peice. Jul 02 07:25:04 :) Jul 02 07:26:39 E-high-five? Jul 02 07:26:42 Maybe? Jul 02 07:28:07 sure Jul 02 07:28:14 * cryptk e-high-fives Ted__ Jul 02 07:28:59 Yay! Jul 02 07:29:19 Yeah, if it wan't apparent, I get a little off the rocker at 3AM. Jul 02 07:30:07 Getting out the system board was a pain, and I killed the connector to the digitizer on the screen -luckily the one in the SPrint pre is fine, and if Im careful, I won't repeat Jul 02 07:39:07 cryptk: this is kinda fun. Jul 02 07:46:42 Got the Sprint pre system board out without breaking anything Jul 02 07:57:04 cryptk: I just spent 15 minutes getting the digitizer back in place Jul 02 08:19:27 hola Jul 02 08:20:08 bluetooth enabled tethering while TP is paired with webos phone Jul 02 08:21:15 there has to be a way. I wondering there is a hidden setting somewhere. will need to poke around in the doctor Jul 02 08:22:24 ping anyone? Jul 02 08:22:35 I been having issues with wirc Jul 02 08:23:44 oh yeah? Jul 02 08:25:24 ya on evdo Jul 02 08:25:45 working ok on wifi Jul 02 08:26:15 well sorta. I am tethering wifi to another device and no disconnects Jul 02 08:27:00 but evdo wirc on actual connected device keeps dissconnecting I dunno why Jul 02 08:28:02 weird huh? Jul 02 08:28:21 no errors or anything? Jul 02 08:28:53 cryptk: it boots, yay Jul 02 08:29:05 nah. lets try round two Jul 02 08:29:32 uhhh... my tp won't turn on?? o_O Jul 02 08:29:42 :/ Jul 02 08:29:52 what did you do will? Jul 02 08:29:58 put it in bag all careful like, after shutting it off Jul 02 08:30:12 just got here, threw it on charger and... nothing Jul 02 08:30:18 ouch Jul 02 08:30:26 no hp logo, no low battery charging... Jul 02 08:30:28 oh boy thats horrible :-O Jul 02 08:30:31 nothing :( Jul 02 08:30:41 hoping its somehow transient Jul 02 08:30:50 or me being extra special Jul 02 08:31:01 up vol power? Jul 02 08:31:06 it *has* been a long day after all Jul 02 08:32:33 its _possible_ it didnt shut off before I put it in the bag??? Jul 02 08:32:59 altho I might be saying that bc I'm super :( that it won't turn on and hypothesizing... Jul 02 08:33:08 sigh Jul 02 08:33:46 even so for it to then overheat while not in use to the point of complete failure.... seems a but much Jul 02 08:35:27 Jack87: but surely the screen should do... something! :/ Jul 02 08:36:39 oh thank god. held hme+power for 20 seconds and got an hp logo... Jul 02 08:36:50 * dtz hugs the channel Jul 02 08:37:06 ~botsnack Jul 02 08:37:06 :), dtz Jul 02 08:44:53 hooray Jul 02 08:45:17 no idea what that was abt, hope it never happens again Jul 02 08:49:01 oil, its everytime I send a message on wirc on the pre2 Jul 02 08:49:11 no errors Jul 02 08:49:46 will I'm glad its working now! Jul 02 08:51:37 ^ dtz :-) hi by the way Jul 02 08:53:08 Jack87: you and me both Jul 02 08:53:18 and hi as well :-) Jul 02 08:53:31 hows it been? Jul 02 08:53:46 yeah man, where have you been Jack87 ? Jul 02 08:53:54 good thank. how have you been Jul 02 08:54:12 hey cryptk good to see you! Jul 02 08:55:44 school been kicking my ass Jul 02 08:56:07 * cryptk is too cool for school Jul 02 09:08:53 well night all, take care Jul 02 09:08:58 :D Jul 02 09:16:17 night night dtz Jul 02 14:45:23 hey guys Jul 02 14:45:53 good morning Jul 02 14:46:09 did somebody try the enhanced responsivenes patch from the forums on a pre 2? does ist work or is it safe? Jul 02 14:46:17 hey Loudergood Jul 02 14:46:34 ooh a new patch to try? Jul 02 14:46:42 ya Jul 02 14:46:47 I just doctored my pre2 Jul 02 14:46:49 sounds really good Jul 02 14:47:10 makes luna more fluid Jul 02 14:50:15 i currently just can't doctor my pre2 if something goes wrong Jul 02 15:02:31 nobody? Jul 02 15:05:55 trying it Jul 02 15:06:07 :) thank you Jul 02 15:06:11 install seems to be stalling in preware though Jul 02 15:08:34 he says he made it on a pre- with 2.1 on it... Jul 02 15:08:58 does compatibility also depend on the device or only webos version? Jul 02 15:30:12 ice8lue, webos version Jul 02 15:30:37 so basically it should work, cryptk? Jul 02 15:30:50 but patches should always be verified to apply cleanly to an unmodified (not meta-doc, not patches) copy of webOS of the target version Jul 02 15:30:53 but it should work Jul 02 15:31:40 there, it worked when I installed it with internalz Jul 02 15:32:39 hrm, I bet I know why Jul 02 15:33:12 why? Jul 02 15:33:15 did you try and install a patch or an ipk? Jul 02 15:33:22 a patch Jul 02 15:33:46 I'm not sure if you can just throw preware a patch file... maybe... Jul 02 15:33:58 and if you can, then it may be because of the cgit transition Jul 02 15:34:02 well..preware certainly doesn't reject it.. Jul 02 15:34:11 not sure if preware has the updated UTLs for the AUPT scripts Jul 02 15:35:11 Loudergood, do you feel any improvements? Jul 02 15:35:26 that's very subjective.. Jul 02 15:35:35 I'll try and think of a situation to test it with Jul 02 15:37:22 feels like I can get away with a much lighter touch Jul 02 15:38:07 ok yeah, google maps seems much much more responsive Jul 02 15:38:28 very cool :) Jul 02 15:41:24 think i'll try too then Jul 02 15:45:39 Hey all Jul 02 15:45:47 How many of you have a Touchpad so far? :) Jul 02 15:46:20 Was curious about the case. Is it just like a book? Jul 02 15:46:28 I'm googling for some better pictures of it right now. Jul 02 15:48:28 Hmmmm...found some pics...just looks like a slipcase kind of? Jul 02 15:50:40 I've just been given an old Palm Pre, but don't have a Sim card for the network that it used to be on. All I can get to is the "create Palm account" page. Is there any way that I can unlock the phone without a sim card from the original netowrk? Jul 02 15:50:57 sorry, it's a pre plus Jul 02 15:51:47 Yes Jul 02 15:54:14 Louder|pre: this? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_Pre_Plus Jul 02 15:55:24 Suggest you look into this http://en.m.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Jul 02 15:56:59 Louder|pre: ah, fantastic! I was looking at that guide, and didn't fancy looking for a screwdriver :D Jul 02 15:59:43 You can also use that to put webos 2.1 on it Jul 02 16:00:20 I can see that! :D Jul 02 16:06:38 can anyone help me re:sdk/emulator? Jul 02 16:06:51 i do a file->new app in eclipse and it keeps making a mojo app Jul 02 16:17:44 CorpX apparently not Jul 02 16:18:07 Check the dev forums? Jul 02 16:23:49 How do I link to unofficially supported libs in /usr/lib/* while avoiding linker errors during cross-compile Jul 02 16:24:56 add -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefined to your compile maybe ? Jul 02 16:25:55 bpadalino: I'll give that another try, seems like that wasn't working for me last night, but I could be doing something else wrong Jul 02 16:26:11 what is the exact error you're running into ? Jul 02 16:26:20 I also tried -Wl,--unresolved-symbols=ignore-in-shared-libs Jul 02 16:27:16 what am i doing wrong? Jul 02 16:27:44 CorpX: i don't know if the eclipse stuff supports making an enyo app? does it? Jul 02 16:28:17 bpadalino: just stuff like database.cpp:(.text+0xfc): undefined reference to `sqlite3_close' Jul 02 16:28:17 i guess not then Jul 02 16:28:43 https://developer.palm.com/content/index.php?id=4962 they made it seem like it did Jul 02 16:29:02 sosborn: you could compile using scratchbox and have the libraries for linking Jul 02 16:30:10 NuttyBunny: not familiar with scratchbox, I'll take a look at it, thanks Jul 02 16:31:23 sosborn: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_DOOM_with_scratchbox2 , and look at the mapping files, that may help Jul 02 16:46:31 is there any AES support on WebOS hardware? Jul 02 16:46:54 VIA-Padlock, its like cortexifan for your device. Jul 02 16:47:42 i think omaps have some kind of aes accelerator Jul 02 16:48:14 werd. Jul 02 16:48:41 I don't think there's software to support that :( Jul 02 16:49:07 ...kernel support? Jul 02 16:49:18 * Support for OMAP AES HW acceleration. Jul 02 16:49:22 hmm http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/armcrypto.html Jul 02 16:49:29 lists only 35xx Jul 02 16:49:42 maybe, but I haven't seen mentioned in userland apps Jul 02 16:50:12 openvpn has --engine and openssl has --engine, theres SSL hacks to keep the accel on.. Jul 02 16:50:28 dunno, Jul 02 16:50:39 http://www.kernel.org/pub//scm/linux/kernel/git/jejb/storage-tree/drivers/crypto/omap-aes.c Jul 02 16:51:14 yea Jul 02 16:51:52 someone posted they ran into bus errors , because their hardware may not have the acceleration HW onboard.. Jul 02 16:58:28 would be nice, no? Jul 02 16:58:53 the onboard pci-e chip from soek is good++ Jul 02 17:08:06 anyways Jul 02 17:08:19 any hardware stuff posted about 4G stuff i can look at? Jul 02 17:08:20 PuffTheMagic: Does the TP support Bluetooth PAN to avoid using FreeTether with WiFi? Battery lasts a lot more with BT :) Jul 02 17:09:29 NuttyBunny, it supports PAN, but like all webos devices, there is no way to initiate a PAN connection Jul 02 17:09:37 i really need to figure out how to do that Jul 02 17:11:31 So, what would be the script for flashing a Sprint Pre with a AT&T Comms board, and system board? Jul 02 17:12:28 what? Jul 02 17:12:37 I tether over BT Jul 02 17:13:09 oc80z: we need a way to initiate the connection on the TP, otherwise the phones batteries will die rather quickly :) Jul 02 17:13:09 oc80z, not between 2 webos devices Jul 02 17:13:33 oic Jul 02 17:14:49 got to run Jul 02 17:15:21 http://www.sierrawireless.com/productsandservices/AirPrime/Wireless_Modules/High-speed/MC7750.aspx Jul 02 17:15:43 yup. Jul 02 17:59:03 ok, so now I have the phone on + looking for a network unlock code. Jul 02 17:59:11 What's the next step? Jul 02 18:27:55 Hola! I'm trying to find a way to ssh _from_ the pre2 outbound, but thus far the only things I've found in digging seem to be for ssh into the pre2 -- am I missing something obvious? Jul 02 18:29:16 you can install optware and then the appropriate packages from there Jul 02 18:29:26 I think they're in preware too Jul 02 18:30:10 some of the more popular ones are, yes - so the ssh ones i think you're right Jul 02 18:30:19 There's an openssh package in preware, but the docs around it are entirely about connecting to the pre2 -- so while I know it's theoretically possible to do bidirectional ssh, it's unclear if that's actually possible. Jul 02 18:30:42 yes, it's possible Jul 02 18:33:12 * phil_bw wanders by Jul 02 18:33:16 you're looking for a terminal aren't you? Jul 02 18:33:21 So I've gotten webdoctor to update my O2 Pre Plus to 2.1.0, but I can't figure out how to remove the network restriction. Is ther ea patch to the webos firmware, or am I missing somethign esle ? Jul 02 18:33:31 phil_bw: hey! Jul 02 18:33:49 'sup Patrick Jul 02 18:33:55 nothin much Jul 02 18:34:19 Loudergood - could be? I'm guessing that the answer is probably yes, since I don't see an obvious way to get at a shell otherwise. Jul 02 18:34:35 xterm is in preware Jul 02 18:34:49 Ahh, perfect. Jul 02 18:36:15 xterm is amazing Jul 02 18:36:30 Heh. xterm may also not exist for 2.1 yet... Jul 02 18:36:50 cat-xeger: it does Jul 02 18:36:54 I use it almost daily Jul 02 18:36:56 I still like the good ol' regular terminal. then again I'm in the stone age on 1.4.5 so it still works... Jul 02 18:37:21 (I didn't get this phone subsidised, so unlocking it isn't breaking any agreements) Jul 02 18:37:25 Hm, okay, then my search foo sucks in some respect (bloody hell, it's resetting _again) Jul 02 18:37:28 I believe its (xterm) in the testing feeds Jul 02 18:38:07 Ah, okay. I'm not subscribed to those currently -- I'll try that once the phone finishes resetting (again, interminably) Jul 02 18:38:58 ok. I'm trying to generate ssh keys on my pre2, and I keep getting " /bin/sh: /opt/bin: Permission denied " Jul 02 18:39:10 PatrickC - did you mount the fs rw ? Jul 02 18:39:17 I'm running the cmd: /opt/bin ssh-keygen from root Jul 02 18:39:22 cat-xeger: huh? Jul 02 18:39:23 do we know if X ever got updated with the keyboard mods I made so that "sticky" keys work correctly? Jul 02 18:39:24 Missing / Jul 02 18:39:36 Sorry, misread the question initially Jul 02 18:39:38 ok Jul 02 18:39:53 ... but shouldn't it be /opt/bin/ssh-keygen ? Jul 02 18:40:10 that doesn't work either Jul 02 18:40:29 " /opt/bin/ssh-keygen: not found " Jul 02 18:41:12 That reads to me like you just don't have the command installed Jul 02 18:41:25 I'm following http://en.m.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH Jul 02 18:42:02 should I install openssh first? Jul 02 18:44:20 ok. installed openssh, and now it works Jul 02 18:44:38 Yup, that command is part of openssh Jul 02 18:46:17 ok thanks Jul 02 18:46:26 now I have full git access thru webos :) Jul 02 18:46:58 Heh. Jul 02 18:49:21 optware ftw Jul 02 18:50:30 phil_bw, destinal and I might be making a enyo terminal :D Jul 02 18:50:53 PuffTheMagic: let me know! I can test it on-device with a pre2 :) Jul 02 18:51:06 I'm wanting something better then terminus/xterm Jul 02 18:51:06 ENYO! Jul 02 18:51:19 PuffTheMagic: I have ENYO Installed on my pre2 Jul 02 18:52:35 orly Jul 02 18:52:35 Puff: I'm sure it'll be a wonderful terminal, will love to try it when I finally move on to 2.X Jul 02 18:53:59 PuffTheMagic: yeah, I can give you the instructions. its easy Jul 02 18:55:33 Man. I swear my pre2 spends more time resetting than anything else. Jul 02 18:56:12 well time to drive again Jul 02 18:56:17 * phil_bw wanders off Jul 02 19:00:28 thanks wosi! for making webos the best! Jul 02 19:00:44 I now have full git access to read/write on my Pre2!! Jul 02 19:01:06 Heh! Jul 02 19:01:26 * cat-xeger hasn't tried that yet, but does now have full inbound/outbound ssh capability... which is enough for today :) Jul 02 19:01:38 thanks cat-xeger for the help :) Jul 02 19:01:40 ... tomorrow I can go back to fighting with wallpapre ;) Jul 02 19:01:46 PatrickC - likewise :) Jul 02 19:01:48 cat-xeger: ipkg-opt install git :) Jul 02 19:02:05 TP is so much easier to use while on the can than a laptop :D Jul 02 19:02:06 Heh. Nah... my locals are all mercurial Jul 02 19:02:08 then just a few config cmd's and your set :) Jul 02 19:02:19 PuffTheMagic: hahaha Jul 02 19:02:47 cat-xeger: ah Jul 02 19:03:33 ... but beyond that, I should consider having breakfast ;> Jul 02 19:04:42 lol Jul 02 19:22:39 those who are doing patches for the touchpad... is there any way to change the agent string of the browswer? Jul 02 19:29:36 Does the Touchpad have a usb host controller? Jul 02 19:30:25 i believe it's configured in the kernel, but not sure if the hardware is in place for it Jul 02 19:32:35 Are there any good hardware breakdowns out yet? My searches have not been fruitful Jul 02 19:32:51 those who are doing TP Email Patches, please restore SUPERCOWPOWERS :D Jul 02 19:33:18 haha Jul 02 19:34:27 error454: there was a tech republic teardown Jul 02 19:35:00 bpadalino: that's the one I'm going through right now Jul 02 19:35:14 that's about it .. i don't think ifixit went through one yet ? Jul 02 19:47:00 I need a map of this hardware, the usb pcb doesn't have the usb chip on it Jul 02 19:48:37 i believe the PMIC might have the PHY on it ? Jul 02 19:49:10 This tech republic one is actually quite good, they did a good job of maintaining the same camera perspective to orient yourself. Jul 02 19:51:06 bpadalino: Is the PMIC right by port? Jul 02 19:51:11 ^the Jul 02 19:51:51 i doubt it, it would probably want to be close to the processor since it's supplying all power Jul 02 19:52:02 it's a PM8058 Jul 02 19:52:16 CONFIG_PM8058_USB_VBUS_CONTROL=y is set in the kernel .. Jul 02 19:52:23 Is that Qualcomm? Jul 02 19:52:25 yes Jul 02 19:53:10 CONFIG_USB_OTG is not set in the kernel config Jul 02 19:53:44 but CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD is .. which is under the USB Host Controller Drivers section Jul 02 19:54:50 confusing combination Jul 02 19:55:48 seems like maybe the EHCI_HCD is required to setup the EHCI controller in general .. Jul 02 19:55:59 and they don't necessarily want it to be in OTG or host mode .. Jul 02 19:56:18 That might be, the lack of OTG makes me sad. I don't know why they'd turn that off unless it was a hardware limitation Jul 02 19:56:39 technically they need a micro AB port to support OTG, right ? Jul 02 19:57:10 That's what the help text seems to indicate Jul 02 19:58:09 mini/micro Jul 02 19:59:34 looks like if you modify your usb board, get the right cable, and built your own kernel, you _may_ be able to get OTG to work .. but i wouldn't hold my breath Jul 02 20:00:02 yeah, looks like my dreams may have to wait a bit longer Jul 02 20:00:35 in all honesty, OTG is just another feature that very, very few people would probably use .. so it probably just got shelved Jul 02 20:01:07 You're probably right, it's just now starting to pop up in the latest android releases Jul 02 20:01:44 I thought it would be fun to be able to plug in usb keyboard, mass storage, web cams etc since the 2.6 driver eco-system is so rich Jul 02 20:03:20 the kernel config is in /boot on the touchpad or if you download the doctor .jar, untar a few things, you can see it there too Jul 02 20:04:01 I'll poke around the jar Jul 02 20:10:18 it's downright insane how much CPU time cryptofs takes Jul 02 20:13:43 is it configured to not use the crypto HW acceleration ? Jul 02 20:18:01 is that confirmed? Jul 02 20:18:11 cryptofs may not use SSL Jul 02 20:19:21 *shrug* i don't know how much CPU time it takes .. but if they are not using the hardware accelerated crypto engine .. Jul 02 20:19:29 i can imagine they're wasting a good number of clocks Jul 02 20:19:54 hmm Jul 02 20:20:10 so aes-128 is on the crypto-fs API Jul 02 20:20:34 which interfaces back and forth with eCryptFS//jffs/ext4 all in kernelspace Jul 02 20:21:03 there are many hw accel crypto shit out there.. i dont know much about it. Jul 02 20:21:17 Hmm, interesting that CONFIG_USB_STORAGE is set. Has anyone tried plugging in a mass storage device? Jul 02 20:21:19 doesn't look like they're using it .. Jul 02 20:21:38 error454: so, you think it might act as a host? Jul 02 20:21:42 libqcrypto is the qualcomm driver to talk to their crypto engine Jul 02 20:21:45 and i don't see it anywhere Jul 02 20:21:51 I don't have a tp yet.. but if it does.. amazing! Jul 02 20:22:09 PatrickC: I'm curious, not only is CONFIG_USB_STORAGE set but 11 specific subdevices underneath that Jul 02 20:22:28 hrmm.. it would be the first tab to do so? Jul 02 20:22:47 anyone with a tp, can you check to see if /dev/qce exists ? Jul 02 20:23:13 There may be some new android tabs that can. This could just be a remnant of a default kernel config, who knows. Jul 02 20:23:15 * PatrickC is waiting for dev discount Jul 02 20:23:27 error454 there are kernel options under USB , like on-the-go options Jul 02 20:23:36 error454: it wouldn't hurt to try? Jul 02 20:23:46 oh, well i am dumb .. it's right there in the config Jul 02 20:23:49 PatrickC: I'm gonna try as soon as I get mine Jul 02 20:23:55 awesome Jul 02 20:23:58 CONFIG_CRYPTO_DEV_QCE along with CONFIG_CRYPTO_DEV_QCEDEV .. both not set Jul 02 20:24:02 looking at the doctor? Jul 02 20:24:07 yeah Jul 02 20:24:17 I love the doctors :) Jul 02 20:24:26 that would allow for quicker crypto most likely Jul 02 20:24:30 I got skype running on my pre2 (the search app only) Jul 02 20:24:54 theres a section on that Jul 02 20:25:01 its like on-the-go or somthing Jul 02 20:25:09 so its not passive or host mode Jul 02 20:25:14 the OHCI/EHCI is a beast Jul 02 20:25:14 OTG Jul 02 20:25:25 and the developer working on OHCI died Jul 02 20:25:33 rip hacker guy. Jul 02 20:25:39 yikes Jul 02 20:25:40 it requires hardware changes too Jul 02 20:25:57 is this about the usb host? Jul 02 20:26:20 yeah, making USB more peer-to-peer, so they can negotiate which is host and which is device on the fly Jul 02 20:26:20 to support other devices Jul 02 20:26:25 like that 10.1 samsung does.. evidently. Jul 02 20:26:31 yeabh bp Jul 02 20:26:41 CONFIG_USB_GADGET_MSM_72K Jul 02 20:27:07 man.. I hope it acts as a host.. would be so nice Jul 02 20:27:08 make sure everything is in NDA Jul 02 20:27:08 The newer android usb host implementations are really slick, I'd like to get the webos one on-par Jul 02 20:27:23 heh Jul 02 20:27:27 I meant, usb mass storage Jul 02 20:27:29 is not under, does not fall under, NDA Jul 02 20:27:30 hehe Jul 02 20:27:33 drop files to a thumb drive without plugging into a computer :) Jul 02 20:27:54 PatrickC: or plug in a CDC/RNDIS device for 4g/lte Jul 02 20:28:04 Does the Touchpad block you when you enter mass storage mode - like previous devices? Jul 02 20:28:05 or that lol Jul 02 20:28:08 hwwh Jul 02 20:28:12 or a dvd rom drive Jul 02 20:28:28 whats a dvd? Jul 02 20:28:30 j/k Jul 02 20:28:34 haha Jul 02 20:28:38 blu-ray drive :P Jul 02 20:28:47 VHS player Jul 02 20:29:09 well Jul 02 20:29:16 i got to run Jul 02 20:29:19 l8rz Jul 02 20:29:23 cya Jul 02 20:29:36 I g2g too Jul 02 20:29:48 gotta replace the hdd in my dads laptop Jul 02 20:29:57 enjoy the day Jul 02 20:29:58 * PatrickC wishes he could get the old one... Jul 02 20:30:11 cya error454, and let me know what you find.. Jul 02 20:30:17 @awesomeapps_ on twitter Jul 02 20:30:22 will do Jul 02 20:30:30 thx. cya Jul 02 20:42:52 no /dev/qce Jul 02 20:44:20 i was watching top while installing the audubon birds app and cryptofs was 90+% for about 45 minutes while it installed Jul 02 20:44:29 and all of that for maybe a few hundred jpgs Jul 02 20:45:02 glad you were able to confirm that the hw accel isn't installed, hopefully something that can be worked out Jul 02 20:45:53 i don't have an adapter that flips the direction of the usb port Jul 02 21:27:53 rwhitby: you around? Jul 02 22:15:56 quick question for you all : has there been any problems using save/restore moving data to the TP? Jul 02 23:07:00 hello? Jul 02 23:19:13 i'm using My Jul 02 23:19:43 oops, I'm using My Tether and I'd like to improve the connection speed, is there anything else I should install? Jul 02 23:23:22 sorry we dont support that program around here Jul 02 23:23:50 oh, ok Jul 02 23:24:05 why dont you use freetether? Jul 02 23:24:29 i don't know what the difference is, I've had my tether for over a year now Jul 02 23:25:03 i just installed webos quck install and saw freetether Jul 02 23:25:46 the difference is the mytether dev is MIA and the project is dead isnt it Jul 02 23:26:46 oh, ok Jul 02 23:27:19 where as freetether is still being developed and its free and you can talk to its devs right here Jul 02 23:27:59 ok, i'll try it Jul 02 23:28:08 uninstall my tether first Jul 02 23:28:20 might even want to reboot after doing that Jul 02 23:28:27 i didnt know anyone still used that Jul 02 23:28:35 i'm on my tether now :P Jul 02 23:29:15 i installed freetether through the QI, will uninstall my tether and try it out Jul 03 00:39:56 I bet anything you just broke something Jul 03 01:17:31 Hey everyone! Jul 03 02:24:24 hey Jul 03 02:24:48 any support for 2.0 flashed pre origs, with terminal / terminus Jul 03 02:32:46 so i've been using Preware to install a bunch of stuff, but some patches fail for me Jul 03 02:33:23 most notably call blocker Jul 03 02:35:34 using palm pre webos 1.4.5, is there one that's known to work? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 03 02:59:57 2011