**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 05 02:59:57 2011 Jul 05 03:00:12 that is, it might work, not sure Jul 05 03:01:13 are you sure that file is being used? Jul 05 03:01:34 no, not at all Jul 05 03:02:01 i suppose the browser could have its own resolver Jul 05 03:02:30 but it would be worth experimenting with Jul 05 03:02:40 what I'm saying is that the openembedded rootfs sometimes has /etc files that are not actually used Jul 05 03:02:52 ok, good to know Jul 05 03:03:10 i have played with nss libraries a tad in the past Jul 05 03:03:16 ill make a note to tinker Jul 05 03:03:54 db should be an improvement, and may simplify on-the-fly management too Jul 05 03:04:03 yeah Jul 05 03:04:19 is widk still the best way to build native binaries? Jul 05 03:05:14 singmajesty has a Linux PDK now Jul 05 03:05:28 depends what libraries you need. WIDK is still the most comprehensive. Jul 05 03:05:38 ok Jul 05 03:06:22 BTW, /etc/resolv.conf points to dnsmasq on webOS devices Jul 05 03:06:52 you mean localhost:53? Jul 05 03:07:06 nameserver 127.0.0.1 Jul 05 03:07:09 right Jul 05 03:07:14 that's what i said ;) Jul 05 03:07:22 hm Jul 05 03:08:07 however, "files mdns dns" says /etc/hosts comes _before_ dnsmasq unless i'm grossly mistaken Jul 05 03:08:31 yep Jul 05 03:09:14 but dnsmasq uses /etc/hosts anyway Jul 05 03:09:20 and may even cache/hash Jul 05 03:09:25 so that seems wasteful Jul 05 03:11:29 should i go stare at exploding things in the sky or hack on webos... Jul 05 03:12:07 Do both! Jul 05 03:12:35 cxreg - it should, but I thought one of the recent changes to the linux kernel fubar'd all that Jul 05 03:12:53 not sure how, that's all in libc Jul 05 03:12:58 icbw Jul 05 03:14:33 rwhitby: it definitely uses nsswitch.conf, at least the libc resolver does Jul 05 03:14:38 if i take out "dns" ping fails to find stuff Jul 05 03:14:46 so thats good news Jul 05 03:15:15 IIRC it's more along the lines of "If there's an entry in /etc/hosts, and no equivalent dns, no joy Jul 05 03:15:43 uh Jul 05 03:15:50 that's ... strange Jul 05 03:15:58 Something really spectacularly fucking dumb Jul 05 03:16:21 "DNS: long lines in /etc/hosts breaks all dns lookups" Jul 05 03:16:28 that maybe? Jul 05 03:16:31 ... the sort of thing one stomps up and down and waves arms around about, while making fascinatingly inaccurate statements about parentage and habits of the developers involved. Jul 05 03:16:49 Nah, that's old -- and if you have a line that long in your DNS, you're probably doing something really dubious Jul 05 03:17:27 was it related to ipv6? Jul 05 03:17:40 No, that would have been the java weirdness Jul 05 03:17:50 Ah. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=507164 Jul 05 03:17:52 there was more than one ipv6 related snafu Jul 05 03:18:23 That's one of the iterations of it Jul 05 03:18:33 oh Jul 05 03:18:36 that's just nslookup Jul 05 03:18:45 the responder is right, that's deliberate Jul 05 03:18:58 nslookup uses its own resolver Jul 05 03:19:04 It was an undocumented behaviour change to nslookup and hostname Jul 05 03:19:29 ... and while I'm sure it was deliberate, pretty much every distro has some variation on the bug in question Jul 05 03:19:45 heh Jul 05 03:19:58 (this of course is a variation on the standard rant about principle of least surprise... and WTF are you doing changing interfaces 20 years later) Jul 05 03:20:00 it's user error to use nslookup and expect the full resolver behavior Jul 05 03:20:13 anyway, not going to be a factor here Jul 05 03:20:27 unless webkit also has its own, which it might Jul 05 03:20:32 time to test that out Jul 05 03:20:36 Heh. Jul 05 03:20:55 * cat-xeger 's not going to get ranty... I'm tired, my pre2 is still randomly rebooting for no apparently reason Jul 05 03:21:03 ... and everybody gets back to work tomorrow Jul 05 03:21:34 nslookup is a dns tool, it'd be like complaining that my postgres client doesnt look in mysql Jul 05 03:21:45 lol Jul 05 03:22:07 (20 year old interfaces notwithstanding) Jul 05 03:22:17 No... it's more like complaining that your postgres tool used to look in postgres and mysql... and all of a sudden only looks in oracle Jul 05 03:22:22 heh Jul 05 03:23:02 ok this is good nws Jul 05 03:23:13 i change it to "hosts: files" and the browser stops working Jul 05 03:23:23 (I really, Really, REALLY hate it when people change codified behaviour for no particularly good reason, then fail to mention it, and are surprised when people get upset. This goes for library writers too...) Jul 05 03:23:31 Try ldap :P Jul 05 03:23:33 ... or nis Jul 05 03:23:51 ? Jul 05 03:24:03 Other places to look for host info Jul 05 03:24:06 no it really is good news, i wanted to confirm the browser passed through /etc/nsswitch.conf. i want to insert 'db' Jul 05 03:24:09 ... just not likely ones Jul 05 03:24:18 db ?!? Jul 05 03:25:11 why not? Jul 05 03:25:34 cxreg: no /lib/libnss_db.so.2 file Jul 05 03:25:43 s'kay... just had total brain fade for a minute... but wouldn't you have to ... yeah Jul 05 03:25:51 ... build libnss_db... Jul 05 03:26:05 right ok Jul 05 03:26:06 so i build it Jul 05 03:26:10 then we win Jul 05 03:26:16 Heh. Jul 05 03:26:18 What do we win? Jul 05 03:26:26 better ad blocking Jul 05 03:26:43 Ah. Clearly I haven't really been doing any browsing of yet Jul 05 03:26:47 microseconds on dns lookups for ad blocking on sites that take seconds to load Jul 05 03:27:09 it's still a win Jul 05 03:27:15 Y'know, I haven't checked... nscd ? Jul 05 03:27:23 i brought that up, but nscd is a pig Jul 05 03:27:38 Yes, yes it is. Jul 05 03:27:42 I wonder if you can preload the dnsmasq cache Jul 05 03:28:58 max-blocker adds 20k lines to /etc/hsots Jul 05 03:29:08 any way you slice it, db is an improvement Jul 05 03:29:25 Interesting -- they are handling dnssec w/ dnsmasq Jul 05 03:30:50 Hm... 1 million hosts, 60Mb ram Jul 05 03:30:52 ok i think im going to watch the lake union fireworks, back later Jul 05 03:31:11 * cat-xeger thinks it's bedtime Jul 05 03:50:22 I'm trying to set up a used Palm Pre on sprint on my existing account, but it can't establish a data connection. It was already activated on Sprint's end Jul 05 03:52:41 it also shows the wrong phone number (I skipped firstuse in order to see it) Jul 05 03:53:12 so I wonder if it's just that Sprint is lagging behind and not telling my phone the right information Jul 05 03:54:09 i had a similar issue with a custom-flashed pre-. do you know if it has stock firmware for sure? Jul 05 03:56:20 I've been trying on 2.1 (obviously not stock) and stock 1.4.5 Jul 05 03:56:41 though not as much trying on 1.4.5 :p Jul 05 03:56:48 hm. flashing the stock 1.4.5 image fixed it for me Jul 05 03:57:08 the only thing i could think of would be your account doesn't have a data plan (if they can block it like that) Jul 05 03:57:14 or the settings aren't right Jul 05 03:57:40 yeah, it does have data Jul 05 03:58:00 i guess i'd check the settings then Jul 05 03:58:34 stuff like the NAI, etc., though i'm not sure what they're supposed to be on sprint's network Jul 05 03:58:46 wait... did you say you skipped the activation? Jul 05 04:00:32 not activation, but first use (because I can't set up the palm profile without data) Jul 05 04:00:45 ah, right Jul 05 04:00:47 but, er, that was just this last try, to try to diagnose what's going on Jul 05 04:01:56 but it seems that the old phone number and ID (the kind that looks like an email address but it's for the wireless account) are both the old phone owner's Jul 05 04:02:08 that's the problem probably Jul 05 04:02:24 wouldn't activation fix that though.. Jul 05 04:02:37 yeah, it should Jul 05 04:02:53 well... i /think/ so, but i'm not positive Jul 05 04:03:03 i'm not too knowledgeable on CDMA, i just work with it a bit Jul 05 04:04:10 possibly related issue, it didn't have a PRL in /var/lib/software Jul 05 04:04:20 hm. Jul 05 04:04:24 but I put one in there (from old phone) and that didn't fix it. Jul 05 04:04:29 missing a prl isn't good Jul 05 04:04:43 but i'm also not too sure how the palm does these things Jul 05 04:04:53 yeah. it still showed that it had service though, oddly Jul 05 04:06:09 weird... Jul 05 04:06:24 I'll go back to 1.4.5 and see what I can figure out Jul 05 04:08:05 yeah, i don't know much about this. just barely enough to get by Jul 05 04:08:19 might wanna check the wiki, someone might've already written a reliable process up Jul 05 04:08:54 I'll look around some more. Jul 05 04:45:34 are there any *official app cat* remote desktop apps for the tp? Jul 05 08:15:34 Hey Jul 05 08:16:21 Anyone have some old WebOS's that i could buy to Test out, As i'm looking to buy a TouchPad or Palm Pre 3, But i would like to Test out WebOS First Jul 05 08:22:12 SonnyDickson: what's up? Jul 05 08:22:44 I'm looking for some old WebOS Devices for Testing, So i can make up my mind to buy a TouchPad or Palm Pre 3 Jul 05 08:23:24 http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BNIB-8GB-PALM-PRE-QWERTY-BLACK-FACTORY-UNLOCKED-GSM-OEM-/300462532808?pt=AU_Mobile_Phones&hash=item45f4f668c8 Jul 05 08:23:27 $190 Jul 05 08:23:42 That's a lot Jul 05 08:24:15 I'm looking to old Palm's off someone in IRC Jul 05 08:25:03 http://cgi.ebay.com/Palm-Pre-Sprint-Smartphone-Works-great-Clear-ESN-/250848454451?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3a67bba733 Jul 05 08:25:09 US$95 Jul 05 08:25:14 :( Jul 05 08:38:28 morning Jul 05 14:52:09 are the issues with Terminal on 2.1 known? Jul 05 14:52:38 or rather, is it documented anywhere what the problems are? Jul 05 14:53:47 no idea Jul 05 15:32:06 tadaaaa Jul 05 15:32:57 anybody else having problems with updating optware? Jul 05 15:33:10 * masterhit killed the optware on his pre- Jul 05 15:37:00 when i hit the update button is started telling me "can't umount /opt" Jul 05 15:37:19 1st i did a reboot, then uninstall all optware.... Jul 05 15:37:32 now it even won't re install optware Jul 05 15:38:06 masterhit, "update button"? Jul 05 15:38:35 well, in preware, Jul 05 15:38:48 okay which version of preware? Jul 05 15:39:03 and what are you updating? Jul 05 15:39:18 hello all, i just have a quick questoin Jul 05 15:39:20 1.7 on webos 2.1 Jul 05 15:39:35 okay and what are you trying to update? which apps? Jul 05 15:39:36 and i've tried to update bootstrap Jul 05 15:39:53 what is responsible for handling incoming calls? (hardware wise) Jul 05 15:40:06 in optware ... he started creating an loop device 128 mb... Jul 05 15:40:12 and thana hang Jul 05 15:40:27 okay which version of optware bootstrap are you upgrading from? Jul 05 15:40:39 pre 1.5.2? Jul 05 15:41:09 meanwhile its deletet... i think it was 1.5.2, yes Jul 05 15:41:13 fudge_, try #webos Jul 05 15:41:16 -t+d Jul 05 15:41:26 ok Jul 05 15:41:30 going from 1.5.2 to 1.6.0? Jul 05 15:42:12 meanwhile i just want to install.... i have deletes all optware packages in preware... Jul 05 15:42:12 lessee...I did that already I think...lemme look. Jul 05 15:42:44 and the command line doesnt know ipkg-opt anymore Jul 05 15:43:11 masterhit, can you please put together a list of exactly what steps you did so we can see how to best fix this? Jul 05 15:43:55 and which feeds you have enabled etc. Jul 05 15:44:34 any and all information would be a huge help. Jul 05 15:44:39 ok... preware noticed an update on some optware packages, so i updated them... While updating an error occured, telling me "can't umount /optware" Jul 05 15:44:46 just /opt Jul 05 15:45:03 do you have the ipkg log you can send us? Jul 05 15:45:14 thats critical. Jul 05 15:45:25 is it stored automatically? Jul 05 15:46:00 for a while... Jul 05 15:46:15 we need the preware ipkg log after the error. Jul 05 15:47:41 now what i have done nexT: uninstall all optware packages with preware, trying to reinstall optware after a reboot. won't reinstall, again with the reason can't umount... Jul 05 15:47:51 i can mail you the last log Jul 05 15:48:10 pastebin it please Jul 05 15:48:10 masterhit, please do... Jul 05 15:48:16 ya, pastebin is better. Jul 05 15:48:52 ok... 1 moment Jul 05 15:48:59 with pastebin lots of people can look, email only that one person Jul 05 15:49:56 "with many eyes, all bugs are shallow" Jul 05 15:51:03 http://pastebin.com/qEs71fnZ Jul 05 15:51:47 masterhit, thanks... Jul 05 15:52:18 when rwhitby gets up he will look @ that and probably create a different test for the installer script. Jul 05 15:52:45 thanks ... phew Jul 05 15:53:41 give us a day or so to get something pushed into preware. Jul 05 15:53:56 it may be shorter but its an all volunteer organization. Jul 05 15:54:03 :D Jul 05 15:54:43 masterhit, just curious...which optware apps do you use? Jul 05 15:55:13 I think i remember the first time i tried to install he said something like "can't umount /opt device busy" or something, but i havent saved it ... Jul 05 15:56:43 i used ssh sftp nano bash .... and a lot of command line progs Jul 05 15:56:56 installed with ipkg-opt Jul 05 15:59:19 kk.... Jul 05 15:59:59 some of them I hope will be getting some gui help for creating settings...like openSSH Jul 05 16:00:16 i even created a manual for climm on webos-internals :D Jul 05 16:00:43 yeah, was a bit difficult to find the startup script to edit the settings Jul 05 16:00:58 how are you accessing a terminal on the device? Jul 05 16:01:10 right now X-term Jul 05 16:01:20 what device? Jul 05 16:01:26 you said webOS 2.1 Jul 05 16:01:26 pre- Jul 05 16:01:31 yep Jul 05 16:02:00 kk Jul 05 16:02:32 wdtz made it run under webos2.1 Jul 05 16:02:39 terminus needs a fix Jul 05 16:02:56 and terminal refuses to work comlpetely Jul 05 16:03:20 * Lumiere is waiting for terminal on the tp ;) Jul 05 16:04:33 masterhit, yup...known and being worked. Jul 05 16:04:41 Lumiere, we all are... Jul 05 16:05:24 hehe Jul 05 16:05:33 is there anything people can do to help? Jul 05 16:11:18 Any idea why my dev password won't unlock novaterm for my TP? Jul 05 16:36:23 anyone hear back from palm about the dev tp yet? Jul 05 16:38:35 sorry.. wrong channel Jul 05 17:49:15 Hi, is there a way to enlarge the /opt partition created by the optware installer? Jul 05 17:49:44 which version of the optware installer are you running Jul 05 17:49:51 latest alpha Jul 05 17:50:13 0.99.163-16 Jul 05 17:50:27 do you have a terminal? Jul 05 17:50:38 yes Jul 05 17:51:07 then is the same as on a desktop system... Jul 05 17:51:26 unmount, fsck Jul 05 17:52:12 add space to the backing file (/media/cryptofs/optware.ext3) Jul 05 17:52:58 resize2fs, fsck again for good measure Jul 05 17:53:24 ok, thanks Jul 05 17:54:25 sure Jul 05 17:54:41 mmh, one gig takes a long time :) Jul 05 17:54:46 on a pre- Jul 05 17:54:57 if you have any questions, just ask Jul 05 17:55:10 well, even on a pre2, it seems like the flash is pretty slow Jul 05 17:55:28 uff, this killes my connection to the pre Jul 05 17:55:36 dd from /dev/zero onto / is pretty slow Jul 05 17:55:46 *even dd from ... Jul 05 17:56:08 killed the connection but not resize2fs :) Jul 05 17:56:50 should have used screen Jul 05 18:01:09 mmh, still no connection to my pre Jul 05 18:11:44 ... Jul 05 18:17:10 Hello Jul 05 18:23:48 shouldn't I be able to do an Ajax Request in the prototype.js style with Ajax.request ??? Jul 05 18:23:58 for some reason I get an Ajax undefined? Jul 05 18:24:09 I thought it is included in the framework Jul 05 18:24:11 that is only part of prototype.js Jul 05 18:24:18 which is included in mojo Jul 05 18:24:20 not in enyo Jul 05 18:24:59 in enyo it's enyo.xhr.request() Jul 05 18:25:23 hmmm... ok, so the ajaxcall.get is also gone in enyo? Jul 05 18:25:44 consider anything mojo/prototypejs related as being gone in enyo Jul 05 18:25:57 hmm... bummer Jul 05 18:26:06 so I have to redo that part later on Jul 05 18:26:23 however right now I am still on 2.x sdk Jul 05 18:26:28 so it should work, right? Jul 05 18:26:40 * oilsworkn has never done an "ajaxcall.get" before Jul 05 18:27:48 Any libs I need to load for the ajax.request version? Jul 05 18:28:09 for the ajaxcall I use: Foundations.Comms.AjaxCall Jul 05 18:32:45 shouldnt you be using web service instead of ajaxcall? Jul 05 18:32:53 no connection? ssh? usb? Jul 05 18:33:21 (sebastianha) Jul 05 18:33:32 usb Jul 05 18:33:39 hmm... I need to "operate" a website, so thought of ajax Jul 05 18:33:39 just restarted the pre, took too long Jul 05 18:33:47 it is not a webservice I use Jul 05 18:34:25 lol, increased the file by about 40MB only Jul 05 18:35:47 I can make the ajaxcall.get work, but I am then missing the onSuccess etc. part and need to check the result on my own, which makes it a bit annoying Jul 05 18:36:20 so in the forums a lot of people use the ajax.request... howver it seems that I miss to include the library for that Jul 05 18:36:45 and as usual... documentation is slim to none... Jul 05 18:37:15 ajax.request is from prototypejs Jul 05 18:37:23 yay touchpad keyboard comes today yay case shipped today Jul 05 18:38:26 dtzWill: where'd you order from? Jul 05 18:38:48 summatusmentis: amazon, ordered them sometime last week Jul 05 18:38:58 * halfhalo still has yet to hear when his case will be shipped from hp's store Jul 05 18:39:00 @oilsworkn: yes, so do I manually need to load the prototype.js? I thought it is already included? Jul 05 18:39:24 * PuffTheMagic has yet to order keyboard Jul 05 18:39:24 it is in mojo Jul 05 18:39:48 lol, novacom is dropping the connection when there is high IO load on the device Jul 05 18:40:31 hmm... then sth is wrong here :-S Jul 05 18:41:20 dtzWill: hrm, I'd like to get the case and TP at the same time Jul 05 18:41:28 everywhere I've looked doesn't have them thogh Jul 05 18:41:32 though* Jul 05 18:42:16 halfhalo: HP's store didn't have any indication when they'd have more stock Jul 05 18:42:19 when I looked Jul 05 18:42:28 I ordered mine a while ago Jul 05 18:42:50 aaannnddd... I can't really view my order via the online setup it appears Jul 05 18:43:20 I might just use a netbook neoprene sleve I've got laying around until I can find a place that sells the case Jul 05 18:43:27 +40mb is still useful... I only made mine 128M Jul 05 18:44:03 do we know how the front flap stays closed (or if it does)? Jul 05 18:45:08 the QVC offer is tempting, but ships late :( Jul 05 18:45:11 dwc-: I copied it over to /media/internal/ Thats much faster Jul 05 18:45:29 /media/internal is a bad place to put it if you ever put your pre into usb mode Jul 05 18:46:13 I know Jul 05 18:46:21 it's not my daily use pre Jul 05 18:46:49 just want to experiment Jul 05 18:46:52 summatusmentis: yeah, nowhere around me has anything tp-related (not OOS, just not at all), and while i was in WI the local nowhereville town shops there didn't have anything tp-related either Jul 05 18:47:11 fwiw the people at boths places consoled me telling me they didn't get anything ipad2 related /either/ due to the nature of their stores Jul 05 18:47:14 but still :( Jul 05 18:47:22 sebastianha: ok. sound good then. Jul 05 18:47:40 dtzWill: the best buy nearby carries the TP itself, but I didn't see any accessories, and checking the store online suggested they don't have them Jul 05 18:48:52 my local fry's electronics and microcenter had them as well as the bestbuy Jul 05 18:49:00 so I actually ended up in 3 different stores that had them this weekend Jul 05 18:49:58 dwc-: yeah i really should've stopped at fry's on the way back Jul 05 18:50:04 oh well, accessories are in the mail, amazon prime ftw Jul 05 18:52:20 hm, interesting... frys.com claims the stores have the touchstone dock, and 1 has the cases Jul 05 18:52:34 but not available for shipping for another 2 weeks Jul 05 18:54:04 yeah my touchstone isn't slated to come for a few weeks :( Jul 05 18:54:22 * dtzWill hopes amazon gets an unexpected (with respect to their ship estimation heuristics) delivery Jul 05 18:55:43 haha does the old touchstone work at all with the tp? xD Jul 05 18:56:13 :) Jul 05 18:56:38 any status on a terminal on TP? Jul 05 18:56:42 can anyone send me the link for the linphone alpha Jul 05 18:57:04 summatusmentis: lots of activity, but not quite there yet. Jul 05 18:57:09 evilkokonut: you need to talk to rwhitby or someone named Thibaud (who isn't here) Jul 05 18:57:19 yeah, compiling on device :) Jul 05 18:57:23 k thanks Jul 05 18:57:42 dtzWill: I saw the Xecutah stuff, is that the general direction? Jul 05 18:57:50 summatusmentis: one of many, yes. Jul 05 18:57:53 rather than working on Terminal? Jul 05 18:57:54 compiling on device is pretty fast Jul 05 18:58:44 summatusmentis: rather than working on what now? Jul 05 18:58:55 the Terminal app currently in preware Jul 05 18:59:14 which is also a WI project, as I understand it? Jul 05 18:59:25 although, I guess that's mojo Jul 05 18:59:26 summatusmentis: someone else is gonna hafta answer why we can't modify the plugin-based terminal to work on the TP Jul 05 18:59:42 that was probably a java plugin, right? Jul 05 19:00:12 summatusmentis: i don't know, but that's such an ..obvious direction that i can't imagine it wasn't considered and subsequently discarded (given that we're not doing that atm) Jul 05 19:00:19 i just wasn't part of that conversation/etc Jul 05 19:00:23 summatusmentis: pretty sure it's c Jul 05 19:00:26 and, actually, the reason I care about that app at all was the gesture-based shortcuts, which doesn't matter on the TP Jul 05 19:00:34 heh :) Jul 05 19:00:43 getting x stuff working and off the ground will be glorious, though Jul 05 19:00:55 well, it's been a long pet project of mine and i think a few others might rather enjoy it :) Jul 05 19:01:06 * halfhalo whistles Jul 05 19:01:12 I'd be all for it Jul 05 19:01:25 and with the terminal motivation it's getting more of the full WOSI support, and it's coming along nicely Jul 05 19:01:30 I just want to be able to copy and paste and things Jul 05 19:01:49 summatusmentis: hmmm. i don't see that in the near future, but it's a _very_ reasonable case. Jul 05 19:02:22 we could wrap things in a hybrid (to get javascript goodness with our native goodness), but that makes rendering terrrrribly slow Jul 05 19:02:55 it's possible someone here knows more about how the clipboard is implement that we can make some magic luna-send invocation or something ^.^ Jul 05 19:02:57 I don't know that much about X, does it have an "API" so to speak? Jul 05 19:03:15 yeah, that's where I was going with this Jul 05 19:03:34 terminal will make my TP pretty reasonable as an alternative to my current computer Jul 05 19:03:58 you know, for when I buy it Jul 05 19:04:16 I can attest to that Jul 05 19:04:30 dtzWill: the plugin-based terminal, afaik doesn't work on webos2, so probably doens't in 3 either Jul 05 19:04:49 dwc-: indeed Jul 05 19:05:13 dwc-: ah, good to know. do you know why? Jul 05 19:05:38 * summatusmentis has been wondering as well Jul 05 19:12:50 okay WTH: http://twitter.com/#!/HP/status/88235710468984832 Jul 05 19:12:57 yes hp, that sounds great. Jul 05 19:13:09 i would love to read my kindle books on your sweet tablet. Jul 05 19:13:12 yep, that sounds great. Jul 05 19:13:27 oh wait i installed your app and it tells me it's not ready yet an an update (aka any actual app at all) will 'come soon' Jul 05 19:13:31 Jul 05 19:13:53 just tired of seeing this on my feed, since i really want to use it :( Jul 05 19:14:56 I'd askeda bout it at one point, when I first started using webos ~4 mo ago... the answer I got back was that the undocumented API had changed and nobody had had time to look at it yet Jul 05 19:47:05 dtzWill: I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw that tweet! Annoying. Jul 05 20:02:36 hi Jul 05 20:03:17 hey Jul 05 20:45:59 Why do the meta-doctor scripts for comm board swaps no longer require tokens? Jul 05 20:51:29 msg nickserv identify 1rc[l!3nt Jul 05 20:51:32 ahh! Jul 05 20:51:51 msg nickserv ghost pigsflew_ 1rc[l!3nt Jul 05 20:53:18 :) Jul 05 20:53:35 ok, changed it :/ Jul 05 20:54:05 that was somewhat embarassing Jul 05 20:54:17 hunter2 Jul 05 20:54:23 lol Jul 05 21:36:37 I tried to compile openttd and got this error: /opt/lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.2.3/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find /usr/lib/libpthread_nonshared.a Jul 05 21:36:39 anyone an idea? Jul 05 21:36:59 I compiled on the device Jul 05 21:39:00 do you have the /usr/lib/libpthread_nonshared.a file? Jul 05 21:39:13 i have a feeling the linker cannot find libpthread_nonshared.a :) Jul 05 21:39:18 :) Jul 05 21:39:19 ok Jul 05 21:39:25 that's what I already knew Jul 05 21:39:31 the .so file is there Jul 05 21:39:40 and I don't know how to tell not to take .a file Jul 05 21:39:57 and link dynamically Jul 05 21:40:33 --dynamic (guessing) ;) Jul 05 22:17:16 if there's a libpthread_nonshared.a, change it to -lpthread_nonshared Jul 05 22:26:08 "The home of the webOS homebrew community is webos-internals.org"... from zdnet article Jul 05 22:26:09 :D Jul 05 22:27:57 lol Jul 05 22:29:04 PuffTheMagic, not the home...but one of the Homes. Jul 05 22:29:05 * PuffTheMagic is tempted to put that int he topic Jul 05 22:29:28 ka6sox, i like that someone else thinks its THE home Jul 05 23:14:14 ok.. I cannot install/remove apps.. Jul 05 23:15:10 and a luna-rescan doesn't fix it. Jul 05 23:43:22 and yay touchstone should be here this week too ^.^ Jul 05 23:43:37 cool Jul 05 23:43:51 lets hope so.... Jul 05 23:43:57 need a stand. Jul 05 23:44:01 ka6sox: indeed Jul 05 23:44:15 ka6sox: still disappointed won't be able to use it on the stand effectively from the keyboard :( Jul 05 23:44:18 was rather looking forward to that Jul 05 23:45:28 dtzWill, what? Jul 05 23:45:41 ka6sox: got the bt keyboard ("the"==official hp one) Jul 05 23:45:43 you mean the stand breaks the keyboard or ??? Jul 05 23:45:53 and while you can open card mode, etc, you can't change cards, etc Jul 05 23:46:46 right... Jul 05 23:46:53