**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 07 02:59:56 2011 Jul 07 03:26:54 who knows how to create an ubuntu chroot on-device? e.g. in the dedicated ext3fs partition I've added to a Touchpad Jul 07 03:29:23 with no help from a computer/host? Jul 07 03:29:45 blindfolded with your hands tied behind your back!@ Jul 07 03:30:07 how much help can it have? Jul 07 03:30:27 I did a Debian one that is on the wiki and then created a new one (ubuntu) with that. Jul 07 03:30:47 ka6sox-away: like we used to do on the slug Jul 07 03:30:49 * scoutcamper goes to look for debootstrap for optware Jul 07 03:30:52 with debootstrap-udeb Jul 07 03:30:53 rwhitby, yup Jul 07 03:31:20 exactly like we did with slug Jul 07 03:31:31 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/SlugOS/BootstrapLE?from=DebianSlug.Bootstrap Jul 07 03:31:41 hey rwhitby: I'm trying to update my WIDK, it's failing when configuring libsdl-image. when I check the config.log it's not finding SDL.h but the file is definately there when i check. any idea where I should look next? Jul 07 03:32:07 nope Jul 07 03:32:13 rwhitby, actually I did it the same way you did with the optware bootstrap Jul 07 03:32:28 created the partition, moved the debsmall in there Jul 07 03:32:35 and opened it up. Jul 07 03:32:35 this suuuuckkks! I need to build a openssl static lib :( Jul 07 03:33:01 etx`, why not link to the one already on the device? Jul 07 03:33:10 it's not whitelisted Jul 07 03:33:21 ya, we beat them up on that. Jul 07 03:33:24 at least I don't think it is Jul 07 03:33:29 yeah, it's silly. Jul 07 03:33:29 probably not Jul 07 03:33:39 okay... Jul 07 03:33:44 i had a sdl game engine I wanted to build too Jul 07 03:33:53 hmm. I think Max Blocker patch blocks Hulu Jul 07 03:34:01 cause the ad won't play, the video won't play Jul 07 03:34:38 max blocker does cause some issues like that Jul 07 03:35:03 rwhitby, I just added the natty descriptions to debootstrap on the debian chroot. Jul 07 03:35:17 so it would understand what to do. Jul 07 03:35:52 ka6sox-away: did you ever get to look at the comms board? Jul 07 03:36:15 I am on the left coast...the board is in Texas...and I've asked. Jul 07 03:36:34 road trip! Jul 07 03:36:37 rofl Jul 07 03:36:42 er....not Jul 07 03:36:47 wow. never told me you were that far from how Jul 07 03:36:50 home* Jul 07 03:36:59 whatcha doin on the left coast Jul 07 03:36:59 I already spend enough time on the road. Jul 07 03:37:03 livin Jul 07 03:37:17 lol Jul 07 03:37:20 socal ftw Jul 07 03:37:28 centcal FTW Jul 07 03:37:28 you in california Jul 07 03:37:40 EASTERN FTW Jul 07 03:37:42 I'm on the Pacific Plate. Jul 07 03:37:45 bah Jul 07 03:37:52 so is he. Jul 07 03:37:56 ok. Still no dice. Uninstalled it and still no hulu Jul 07 03:38:05 nice plate Jul 07 03:38:20 bnceo, they might have figured it out from the browser strings. Jul 07 03:38:32 oh you said max blocker patch..nm Jul 07 03:38:33 ya. maybe Jul 07 03:38:43 uninstalling muffle logging Jul 07 03:38:43 * halfhalo shall change his browser string somehow then! Jul 07 03:38:46 remove it and see if it works. Jul 07 03:39:39 19.39Mb/sec Total, 5.33Mb/sec used, 14.06Mb/sec free Jul 07 03:40:08 that didn't work. Jul 07 03:40:40 removed both muffle logging and max blocker patches Jul 07 03:40:57 wait. weird. it played the clip after the message Jul 07 03:41:51 bnceo, find a longer thing...one that has 2 back to back ads Jul 07 03:41:58 see if it works..(most likely NOT) Jul 07 03:42:30 ok. last attempt Jul 07 03:42:32 then bed Jul 07 03:42:45 gl Jul 07 03:43:21 anyone notice the glass on the TouchPad is very diff from the Veer and Pre2 Jul 07 03:43:27 32.1 PSIP=56.4 5.33Mb/sec noguide Jul 07 03:43:39 nice stuff. Jul 07 03:43:45 ok. works now Jul 07 03:43:46 interesting Jul 07 03:43:51 wait. nm. blocked Jul 07 03:43:52 ugh Jul 07 03:43:58 let's wait 30 sec Jul 07 03:44:02 reboot first Jul 07 03:44:16 you may still have the blocking active Jul 07 03:44:19 did a luna Jul 07 03:44:43 has anyone tried pulling out the Bing maps app and putting it on a phone? XD Jul 07 03:44:44 that doesn't reboot the kernel or iptables I don't think. Jul 07 03:45:02 haha Jul 07 03:45:04 (well we know not the kernel) Jul 07 03:45:06 ok. so the ads don't show Jul 07 03:45:09 but the clip shows Jul 07 03:45:12 but very horribly Jul 07 03:45:14 bad flash Jul 07 03:45:20 ok. bedtime. gnite Jul 07 03:45:23 nite Jul 07 03:48:20 rwhitby, I used this but did the entire thing on the TP Jul 07 03:48:23 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian_chroot Jul 07 03:48:34 used that to bootstrap to natty Jul 07 03:50:22 ka6sox-away: how do I get from that to natty? Jul 07 03:51:51 I created 2 loops Jul 07 03:52:01 1 was for the debsmall Jul 07 03:52:04 one was for natty Jul 07 03:52:24 mounted the natty one on the debsmall one Jul 07 03:52:36 my natty will just be the native ext3 partition Jul 07 03:52:50 same thing Jul 07 03:52:58 mount the natty on the debsmall Jul 07 03:53:18 chroot into the debsmall and debootstrap Jul 07 03:53:34 it will complain but then you can fix the profile Jul 07 03:54:09 use the correct repo and arch.... Jul 07 03:54:25 luckily because its already armel you don't have to do --foreign Jul 07 03:54:28 hmm - http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/natty/ubuntu-11.04-r0-minimal-armel.tar.xz Jul 07 03:54:43 anyone know if the current metadr for frankenpre2 on sprint includes sprint nav? Jul 07 03:55:02 ka6sox-away: from http://www.elinux.org/index.php?title=BeagleBoardUbuntu Jul 07 03:55:13 madmike: what does the wiki page say? Jul 07 03:57:12 when I looked I believe I didn't find specific mention. unless I overlooked it, to which I apologize Jul 07 03:57:22 rwhitby, those are a LOT more than you need Jul 07 03:57:26 halfhalo ping Jul 07 03:57:33 PuffTheMagic: ? Jul 07 03:57:33 all the uboot and kernel stuff isn't needed. Jul 07 03:57:43 halfhalo, how do i create a dir with node? Jul 07 03:58:26 lessee what the deps are for debootstrap. Jul 07 03:58:36 PuffTheMagic: import the fs module, then fs.mkdir(path,mode,callback) Jul 07 03:58:43 ka6sox-away: can we do an optware debootstrap? Jul 07 03:59:17 ya, its deps are nothing Jul 07 03:59:19 wget Jul 07 03:59:45 hi all, just stopping in to say that wIRC works great! Jul 07 03:59:58 recommends gnupg but I'm thinking that gets us too deep into crypto stuffs. Jul 07 04:00:11 lemme gin one up...jas Jul 07 04:01:01 halfhalo, do i have to make a dir async? Jul 07 04:01:15 that seems like it will not work for a node service in webos Jul 07 04:01:39 rwhitby, we could use bits of this Jul 07 04:01:41 http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/nix/chroot/chrt04-InstallingUbuntuViaDebootstrap/ Jul 07 04:02:39 PuffTheMagic: its the preferred way. and I'm of the opinion that services should async. But fs.mkdirSync(path,mode) will do what you want Jul 07 04:03:47 ka6sox-away: I get E: No pkgdetails available; either install perl, or build pkgdetails.c from source Jul 07 04:05:19 Does anyone know how to enable logging of all bluetooth packets that are sent/received in webos? Jul 07 04:06:04 which perl Jul 07 04:06:05 halfhalo, have u made a webos node service yet? Jul 07 04:07:08 PuffTheMagic: yeah. I made one from scratch to see how its done. else i just modify them if needed Jul 07 04:08:00 halfhalo, does this look right http://dpaste.com/564178/ Jul 07 04:08:24 seems like that wont work Jul 07 04:09:02 doubt it. there is no reason to have var mkdirs= function at all Jul 07 04:09:13 rwhitby, it looks like debootstrap is real simple...its not even compiled. Jul 07 04:09:19 its a bunch of scripts. Jul 07 04:09:39 PuffTheMagic: lemme modify it to what it should be, hold on Jul 07 04:09:56 thanks Jul 07 04:10:15 all this to make a damn directory Jul 07 04:10:23 webos should have IO services Jul 07 04:11:24 it also requires dpkg Jul 07 04:12:25 woof Jul 07 04:12:54 now I remember why I used debsmall to do it. Jul 07 04:13:02 dpkg requires apt. Jul 07 04:13:11 apt requires a whole raft of things. Jul 07 04:13:41 20:33 <+ka6sox-away> centcal FTW Jul 07 04:13:55 ya... Jul 07 04:13:56 yea, burning up in central california ... so great. Jul 07 04:14:03 not me Jul 07 04:14:43 3000' 1.5miles from the ocean....nice cool breeze Jul 07 04:15:22 PuffTheMagic: http://dpaste.com/564179/ should work. Only thing that may need tweaking is changing var fs=require('fs)" to use IMPORTS, which I can't recall how to do off the top of my head Jul 07 04:15:47 rwhitby, apt-get updat and apt-get upgrade the debsmall Jul 07 04:15:55 add the necessary bits that it is missing Jul 07 04:16:14 this is all too hard :( Jul 07 04:16:21 halfhalo, thats not recursive though Jul 07 04:16:27 orly? Jul 07 04:16:31 its all scriptable. Jul 07 04:16:59 well..I suppose we could... Jul 07 04:17:02 oh, central going north-south Jul 07 04:17:20 strip down debsmall to only what we need, upgrade it, make sure its got what we need Jul 07 04:17:31 then repack it Jul 07 04:17:56 might was well just debootstrap natty minimal on a desktop and then host it somewhere to download Jul 07 04:18:02 PuffTheMagic: recursive, eh? hold on then, slight tweak Jul 07 04:18:19 it was mkdirS Jul 07 04:18:23 sssss Jul 07 04:18:30 rwhitby, can't be done Jul 07 04:18:36 ka6sox-away: why not? Jul 07 04:18:45 ka6sox-away: I did it on a desktop Jul 07 04:18:48 unless you are talking about debootstrapping it --foreign Jul 07 04:18:54 then doing the second stage on the device Jul 07 04:19:19 still requires all the right stuff. Jul 07 04:19:23 PuffTheMagic: well, considering yours doesn't do recursion correct at all :p Jul 07 04:19:31 halfhalo: ok, you got a download tarball for that? Jul 07 04:19:39 ka6sox-away: I used qemu-debootstrap Jul 07 04:19:51 heh Jul 07 04:19:53 okay Jul 07 04:19:56 that works Jul 07 04:19:57 rwhitby: I might. Its large though, 500MB iirc Jul 07 04:20:07 compress it Jul 07 04:20:11 maybe I'll just qemu-debootstrap it myself Jul 07 04:20:13 http://howtonode.org/arm-chroot-fun Jul 07 04:20:18 halfhalo, not recursion in a computer science sense, recursive in that it makes all subdirs Jul 07 04:20:20 it'll be 50MB or so. Jul 07 04:20:39 rwhitby, then after you are done upload it to milla Jul 07 04:20:55 compressed Jul 07 04:21:06 Hmm: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootStock Jul 07 04:21:27 and follow the proceedure in the wiki I pointed out earlier. Jul 07 04:21:31 PuffTheMagic: yours doesn't do that correctly either. Jul 07 04:21:31 but on the device Jul 07 04:22:00 PuffTheMagic: how are you passing in the sub directories to create? Jul 07 04:22:17 im just giving it a path Jul 07 04:22:29 like i would do mkdir -p Jul 07 04:22:42 we can mod this to work natively on the device Jul 07 04:22:43 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian_chroot Jul 07 04:23:18 PuffTheMagic: OOOOHHHHH thats what you are trying to do... that makes more sense Jul 07 04:24:10 all that is on the device Jul 07 04:24:34 easy script... Jul 07 04:25:24 download Jul 07 04:25:30 resize Jul 07 04:25:38 dd onto partition Jul 07 04:25:48 If I'm going to download something, might was well download the final thing. Jul 07 04:25:51 create mounts Jul 07 04:26:00 right..thats what I mean Jul 07 04:26:08 create your minimal natty Jul 07 04:26:16 compress the image Jul 07 04:26:24 upload it to our servers Jul 07 04:26:33 sudo rootstock --fqdn touchpad Jul 07 04:26:48 on which device? Jul 07 04:26:53 host Jul 07 04:27:08 no other options? Jul 07 04:27:14 like arch etc? Jul 07 04:27:14 none needed Jul 07 04:27:38 "Generates Ubuntu armel rootfs tarballs and/or qemu image, to be uncompressed onto a root device." Jul 07 04:28:24 then we upload that to our servers and create the chroot with a script Jul 07 04:29:13 or use that as a loopfile inside cryptofs and bind mount Jul 07 04:29:40 thats all scriptable too. Jul 07 04:30:18 eew, ubuntu Jul 07 04:30:26 no partition needed, and OTA safe Jul 07 04:30:47 I personally have no reason to use ubuntu on anything that isn't a full desktop... and even that's pushing it Jul 07 04:30:56 * dwc- much prefers debian Jul 07 04:31:11 please take this to #flamewars :D Jul 07 04:31:37 they're busy talking about vi/emacs Jul 07 04:31:46 ha ha....probably so Jul 07 04:32:10 ka6sox-away: is this about running ubuntu on a touchpad? Jul 07 04:32:14 sorry came in late Jul 07 04:32:32 rwhitby, if you get it uploaded we can script the rest. Jul 07 04:32:39 including upstart Jul 07 04:32:57 halfhalo, you gonn be able to make that do "mkdir -p" or should I just use the vers u pasted already? Jul 07 04:33:19 PuffTheMagic: :/ I have actually done exactly what you are trying to do. My brain is failing me tonight though Jul 07 04:34:55 and I _know_ how I did it. if parent folder doesn't exist, run new version and wait for callback before going on. Jul 07 04:35:16 isnt that how i did it ;) Jul 07 04:36:14 PuffTheMagic: sorta... but not syntactically correct. you want it in the form of http://dpaste.com/564183/ for functions Jul 07 04:37:46 halfhalo, you did startx on the TP in the chroot? Jul 07 04:37:48 halfhalo: never heard of dpaste Jul 07 04:38:20 ka6sox-away: in the chroot I generally start a wm. e17 works well on it, and terminals work in it as well Jul 07 04:38:53 iirc though you didn't have keyboard right? Jul 07 04:39:23 the mouse worked but no keyboard. Jul 07 04:39:24 ? Jul 07 04:39:37 halfhalo, now you have me more confused Jul 07 04:39:39 with the new xservers keyboard works Jul 07 04:40:18 okay so replace the x in natty with the one that dtzwill did? Jul 07 04:40:38 no, nothing changes on the natty chroot Jul 07 04:41:03 kk Jul 07 04:41:36 I can't remember the screen shots were they small size or full screen? Jul 07 04:41:54 PuffTheMagic: :( The this.blah:function is the proper way to define functions in this instance. the var that=this; just will let you reference the correct value of this inside of callback functions. Jul 07 04:42:06 ka6sox-away: mine were full size Jul 07 04:44:39 ka6sox-away: on a more practical level, I think debian actually has an ARM port for all the packages Jul 07 04:45:10 they both do Jul 07 04:45:19 since they come from the same stock. Jul 07 04:45:43 debians is officially supported, vs not so much for ubuntu iirc Jul 07 04:45:52 dwc-, does debian have an ARM port for all java libs? Jul 07 04:46:09 I didn't know ubuntu actually built the packages and put them anywhere for arm Jul 07 04:46:22 the armel guys @ Ubuntu would beg to differ Jul 07 04:46:54 scoutcamper: native-code java libs or java bytecode java libs? Jul 07 04:47:18 dwc-, libwjgl Jul 07 04:47:53 halfhalo, why did you switch .mkdirs with .run Jul 07 04:48:00 scoutcamper, all that java stuff is in launchpad for ubuntu. Jul 07 04:48:09 dwc-, i have a certain game that starts with M and ends with inecraft almost working on my chroot Jul 07 04:48:15 the don't "officially" support it either. Jul 07 04:48:32 PuffTheMagic: services need run from what I know. Jul 07 04:48:51 halfhalo, do i need to make a new file for each service call? Jul 07 04:49:03 http://packages.debian.org/sid/liblwjgl-java Jul 07 04:49:10 * rwhitby points out that Hello! has a Node.JS service ... Jul 07 04:49:11 that one? Jul 07 04:49:20 PuffTheMagic: basically, yes Jul 07 04:49:21 rwhitby, im looking at that Jul 07 04:49:24 and no less confused Jul 07 04:49:42 package list looks like a bunch of jar files, so I would guess that is supported on all architectures a jvm is on Jul 07 04:49:45 have you looked at the Palm tutorials? Jul 07 04:50:11 didnt see any on the dev website Jul 07 04:50:17 no didnt go digging though the forums Jul 07 04:50:29 dwc-, ill try a debian chroot tommorow then Jul 07 04:50:47 I'm not actually sure what this is, but this does look like the appropriate JNI for native code compilation as well Jul 07 04:50:50 http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/liblwjgl-java-jni Jul 07 04:51:24 it's rare to find non-arch-specific sorts of packages in debian that aren't supported on all Officially Supported Debian Port architecures Jul 07 04:51:48 (e.g. no native-x86-virtualization sorts of packages built on sparc) Jul 07 04:52:05 lol Jul 07 04:52:18 i will be trying tommorow then' Jul 07 04:52:32 a full minecraft on TP is worth it Jul 07 04:53:56 wow... 87 megs for my chroot Jul 07 04:58:22 halfhalo, too big Jul 07 04:58:41 the issue with this of course will be how to get rid of stuff we don't need Jul 07 04:58:45 and get the stuff we do. Jul 07 04:59:05 and create the right mix Jul 07 05:05:59 rootstock output is 102MB tar.gz Jul 07 05:07:02 whats the target download size? or is there any? Jul 07 05:08:08 cryptk: ping Jul 07 05:08:27 PatrickC, pong Jul 07 05:08:37 a reboot didn't fix lumber Jul 07 05:08:44 I'll try an uninstall/reinstall Jul 07 05:09:28 nope. still don't see a list of my installed apps after a un-install/re-install of Lumberjack Jul 07 05:10:07 not sure man Jul 07 05:10:14 I'm at work at the moment, so I can't help much Jul 07 05:10:28 ok. thx though Jul 07 05:10:32 profile erase + webos doctor fixes everything ;) Jul 07 05:10:42 sure.. lol Jul 07 05:10:49 who's the head dev for Lumberjack? Jul 07 05:11:10 NuttyBunny: and so does shooting things ;) Jul 07 05:11:25 * PatrickC refers to paper targets Jul 07 05:12:29 PatrickC, git knows who head dev is Jul 07 05:12:43 good point.. I haven't checked git Jul 07 05:13:10 rwhitby, I wonder how much of that we don't need for a chroot. Jul 07 05:13:28 ka6sox-away, depends what you are doing with it Jul 07 05:13:31 oil_! :) Jul 07 05:15:10 I'm off to bed. night all Jul 07 05:15:24 gn Jul 07 05:15:28 nite PatrickC Jul 07 05:15:38 and morning :) Jul 07 05:15:40 scoutcamper, just have to look thru and see. Jul 07 05:16:00 102MB is a bit large... Jul 07 05:21:06 scoutcamper, x apps I suspect Jul 07 05:21:43 seems to work Jul 07 05:21:56 ka6sox-away: mine contains only the basics. no x, just the result of debootstrap. Jul 07 05:21:57 ka6sox-away, lets put it this way, with just installing a GUI, a standard chroot with x-apps will take 500MB Jul 07 05:23:05 scoutcamper, I'm not talking finished size...I'm talking compressed. Jul 07 05:23:25 ka6sox-away, what size are you looking for? Jul 07 05:23:30 think about downloading that over 1X Jul 07 05:23:45 50-60MB Jul 07 05:24:03 as if anyone is going to do this away from wifi Jul 07 05:24:13 you would hope Jul 07 05:24:21 then all bets are off if you have wifi. Jul 07 05:24:38 or you say in the package installer USE WIFI FOR THIS INSTALL. Jul 07 05:26:09 rwhitby, why couldn't we just use the same trick as the optware loop so its OTA safe. Jul 07 05:27:03 I'm doing it on dedicated ext3fs Jul 07 05:27:31 understood...but I'm asking you about it for a package. Jul 07 05:27:41 instead of 1 off. Jul 07 05:28:09 I wonder how slow it would be Jul 07 05:29:15 * rwhitby installs xterm in Ubuntu Jul 07 05:30:07 slow starting or running? Jul 07 05:30:29 the chroot isn't really slow at all. builds node pretty fast Jul 07 05:30:56 chroot won't be slow Jul 07 05:31:01 halfhalo, did you use a loop or a dedicated partition. Jul 07 05:31:12 ka6sox-away: I did loops Jul 07 05:31:14 talking about a loopfs ext3 file mounted from cryptofs mounted from flash Jul 07 05:31:37 rwhitby, correct Jul 07 05:31:50 thats ota safe and disconnectable. Jul 07 05:32:05 but hangs during usb mode Jul 07 05:32:27 hangs as in breaks never to return? Jul 07 05:32:51 (till you restart it) Jul 07 05:33:46 sshd connected on usb mode loop from cryptofs hangs and does not resume the conneciton Jul 07 05:34:07 my usb mode only dies till i unmount the chroot loop Jul 07 05:34:33 scoutcamper: where is your file location? Jul 07 05:35:21 * halfhalo keeps his in /media/internal and mounts to /media/cf Jul 07 05:35:30 * scoutcamper too Jul 07 05:35:54 that's your problem Jul 07 05:36:10 if you put it in /media/cryptofs instead, then it doesn't block usb mode Jul 07 05:36:37 rwhitby, my current chroot .img is 16GB Jul 07 05:36:46 what.... Jul 07 05:38:19 scoutcamper: that's why I have a dedicated partition Jul 07 05:39:13 * rwhitby runs x11perf Jul 07 05:40:24 * ka6sox-away is confused... Jul 07 05:40:51 is a separate partition OTA safe? Jul 07 05:40:56 I thought not. Jul 07 05:41:05 why not? Jul 07 05:42:27 okay its just not doctor safe Jul 07 05:42:53 right, but nothing is doctor safe Jul 07 05:42:55 but we could create a meta-doctor option to use the existing sizes of thigns. Jul 07 05:43:10 and not tell trenchcoat to reformat that. Jul 07 05:43:47 hmm - good point - I need to make sure that MetaDoctor doesn't reformat the ext3fs partition Jul 07 05:44:58 * ka6sox-away is glad he waited.... Jul 07 05:45:05 now he will get what he wanted... Jul 07 05:45:31 halfhalo and my method is 100% OTA Safe :D Jul 07 05:46:02 scoutcamper: I bet it's not Jul 07 05:46:05 but doesn't allow for you to go into USB mode. Jul 07 05:46:15 in fact I expect it would actually prevent a correct OTA update Jul 07 05:46:15 I would bet its not oo. Jul 07 05:46:32 s/oo/too/ Jul 07 05:46:32 ka6sox-away meant: I would bet its not too. Jul 07 05:46:40 rwhitby, if the chroot is unmounted it should be Jul 07 05:47:02 yes, if that is the case Jul 07 05:47:11 as is the case for any solution if the chroot is unmounted. Jul 07 05:47:30 okay halfhalo scoutcamper rwhitby what is a reasonable size for the ext3fs partition? Jul 07 05:47:33 "oh, if I don't do this thing which causes problems, then there will be no problems" Jul 07 05:47:46 ka6sox-away: I made mine 8GiB Jul 07 05:47:56 kk Jul 07 05:48:12 I have the Ubuntu chroot and a bit of optware and it's 8% full Jul 07 05:48:22 I did 4, and managed to fit gnome, kde, xfce, and a whole lot more in it Jul 07 05:48:27 rwhitby, any reason why xecutah couldn't control this? Jul 07 05:48:34 no reason at all Jul 07 05:48:50 and do the chroot mounts etc and tear them all down when done? Jul 07 05:49:03 so then it *is* OTA safe? Jul 07 05:49:04 ka6sox-away, mine is 16, but im attempting to manually build ARM based java libs on device Jul 07 05:49:17 reasonable is 8 Jul 07 05:49:26 okay 8 it is. Jul 07 05:49:55 8 works for me as well Jul 07 05:49:56 halfhalo, does xfce work on it? Jul 07 05:50:14 ka6sox-away: gnome, kde, and xfce all complain about a lack of dbus Jul 07 05:50:27 the best WM I have found is e17. lxde crashes on terminals Jul 07 05:50:37 ka6sox-away, it will, once someone arround here gets us a DBUS Jul 07 05:50:53 :D Jul 07 05:50:58 okay, so thats enlightenment 17? Jul 07 05:51:01 yes Jul 07 05:51:11 that works...on many levels. Jul 07 05:51:12 best working browser is chrome Jul 07 05:51:27 ka6sox-away: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Jul 07 05:51:47 don't need one...unless I want https with ssl certs or some such thing. Jul 07 05:52:00 lol Jul 07 05:53:12 :D Jul 07 05:53:29 okay now I have work to do....need to get this thing to the state I want. Jul 07 05:54:38 with a working chroot and the bits we need, I can turn off the lappy. Jul 07 05:55:44 * rwhitby installs emacs Jul 07 05:55:59 * ka6sox-away installs vim Jul 07 05:56:02 he he Jul 07 05:56:53 * scoutcamper contemplates installing a RDP tool and connecting to his desktop over chroot Jul 07 05:57:13 that reminds me... Jul 07 05:57:25 apt-get install tighvncviewer Jul 07 05:58:27 bbiab...lots ter do. Jul 07 05:58:35 * scoutcamper sleep now Jul 07 06:01:50 rwhitby: hehe x11perf ^.^ Jul 07 06:01:59 ran that on the pre previously hehe Jul 07 06:02:29 hurt me baby...make me write bad checks! Jul 07 06:02:39 dtzWill: so, a window manager. what about matchbox? Jul 07 06:03:14 halfhalo: lxde crashes when running terms? Jul 07 06:03:42 yup Jul 07 06:03:53 not used matchbox. Jul 07 06:04:07 dtzWill: xserver is landscape only? Jul 07 06:04:28