**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 09 02:59:57 2011 Jul 09 03:36:48 so, what cool things can my tomorrow-touchpad do that I've missed? Jul 09 03:38:53 glass theme suite is beautiful Jul 09 03:46:00 rwhitby: Still trying to build the WIDK. Can you give me any direction on how to fix this error? http://pastebin.com/QucuqQHW Jul 09 03:46:27 etx`: is your goal to build node? Jul 09 03:46:57 Not at all, I'm just doing a 'make stage' Jul 09 03:47:11 then just move node out of the way and continue to your goal Jul 09 03:47:33 remove it from the makefile? Jul 09 03:48:41 if you're looking for a compiler toolchain, the 3.0 linux sdk includes one Jul 09 03:49:03 s/looking/just looking/ Jul 09 03:49:03 dwc- meant: if you're just looking for a compiler toolchain, the 3.0 linux sdk includes one Jul 09 03:49:21 oh really Jul 09 03:49:25 s/././g Jul 09 03:49:38 aw Jul 09 03:49:49 yea Jul 09 03:50:00 does it work anything like sb2? Jul 09 03:50:24 I need to build some larger libs that are a pain to compile all the objects by hand Jul 09 03:50:45 sb2? dunno. never used it. Jul 09 03:51:16 is the toolchain for linux any different than the osx one? Jul 09 03:51:21 my host OS is osx Jul 09 03:51:31 yea, it builds linux binaries and runs on a linux host Jul 09 03:52:21 I thought os x's sdk/pdk had a toolchain in it back in 2.x Jul 09 03:52:53 it does Jul 09 03:53:16 but that doesn't allow me to do a ./configure; make Jul 09 03:53:32 do build a library Jul 09 03:53:49 it's fine if i have like six source files that i want to link into a binary Jul 09 03:54:14 s/do/to Jul 09 03:54:18 it should, if you point everything at that toolchain, instead of the default one that builds mach binaries for os x Jul 09 03:54:52 yeah, I'm not sure how to do that :) Jul 09 03:56:42 either set your path so the crosscompiler chain comes before your system binaries, or set the appropriate CC, CCX, etc Jul 09 03:57:42 hrm Jul 09 04:19:35 heh i got the toolchain from the pdk going on mac os, but when it builds static libs they have no table of contents Jul 09 04:19:43 i've run into this before using ar on mac Jul 09 04:19:53 great learning experience heh Jul 09 04:35:43 built a script to setup my env for cross compiling Jul 09 04:35:57 dwc-, rwhitby, thanks for your help! Jul 09 07:53:06 nuttynunny_pre2: ping? Jul 09 08:58:20 So can anyone tell me how to rename a file or move a file onto my pre while in recovery mode on Linux? Jul 09 09:36:46 Anyone tell me how to rename a file on my pre in recovery mode?? Plz! Jul 09 12:41:24 hi. Anybody any idea why openssh (sshd) no longer starts up after the latest update? (Pre-, webos 1.4.5) Jul 09 13:05:07 rrix: Hey, what was it? :) Jul 09 13:16:39 m-h-k: you've hit the webOS 1.4.5 cryptofs bug. uninstall all optware stuff, reboot, then reinstall Jul 09 13:43:14 rwqhi Jul 09 13:43:17 oops Jul 09 13:43:33 rwhitby: thanks, will try this later. Jul 09 14:50:28 hello Jul 09 15:03:09 does someon knows what is "TouchInput records" ? sym+orange+w Jul 09 15:04:08 GarthPS: nice find. dunno what it is, but investigating now. Jul 09 15:05:33 the string appears in LunaSysMgr Jul 09 15:08:22 GarthPS: it creates a file called /var/log/sysmgr-tp. which records all the touchscreen input Jul 09 15:09:03 there is still a problem retrieveing patches for WebOS 2.1.1. From what I read in the forums there are only folders for 2.1.0 and 2.1.2 ... is the team already aware of this problem and will this be fixed soon? I want to patch my Veer so badly ... :P Jul 09 15:11:01 Vince42: the Veer runs 2.1.2 Jul 09 15:11:39 rwhitby: unfortunately the German HP Veer is running 2.1.1 - for what reason ever ... :) Jul 09 15:12:11 do you have a webOS Doctor for that? Jul 09 15:12:36 nope, there's only one official webOS Doctor available for the US American HP Veer Jul 09 15:12:49 there are two threads in the forum about this issue ... I am not sure, but I guess it might be easiest to make maybe a soft link? :) Jul 09 15:13:00 Until it is in http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions it does not exist as far as patching goes. Jul 09 15:13:41 Vince42: please /msg me the output from the Show Properties app, or "tokens --list" Jul 09 15:13:53 (/msg me, cause it contains information specific to your device) Jul 09 15:13:59 argh ... that's a shame ... my personal guess is, that the 2.1.1 is probably almost identical to 2.1.0 - but has been adjusted to some European things ... Jul 09 15:14:08 will do Jul 09 15:14:37 once I have that info, I can determine how to enable patches Jul 09 15:16:07 thx rwhitby Jul 09 15:16:24 GarthPS: https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/89712200918384640 Jul 09 15:17:31 rwhitby: :) Jul 09 15:22:26 rwhitby: got my msg? Jul 09 15:25:17 Vince42: yes Jul 09 15:25:36 Vince42: http://ws.hpwebos.com/webosdoctor/hpserialnumberinitial.htm Jul 09 15:25:37 great - got it once or twice? not sure, whether /msg worked on this client ... Jul 09 15:26:02 Vince42: what happens when you log into your palm profile and hit the device options button and get the doctor? Jul 09 15:26:15 will try ... Jul 09 15:29:04 LOL ... it says: "We're sorry, but this is not a valid serial number" :) Jul 09 15:30:44 see msg Jul 09 15:32:03 Vince42: are you able to send a message to Palm and/or o2 support, telling them that your Veer is not working correctly, and that you need to run the webOS Doctor on it? Jul 09 15:34:55 sure, will do - may take a few days though I guess ... Jul 09 15:35:29 as soon as we get the doctor, we can enable patching. Jul 09 15:35:45 kewl - I keep fingers crossed ... :) Jul 09 15:37:56 Vince42: is there an EU Veer available anywhere with a QWERTY keyboard? Jul 09 15:38:36 hmmm ... maybe in GB Jul 09 15:38:39 not sure though Jul 09 15:38:52 afaik the keyboard layouts in Germany and France differ Jul 09 15:39:11 support is only available til 5:30 pm - darn ... Jul 09 15:42:26 Vince42: how much is the DE Veer sim-free ? Jul 09 15:42:48 wait a sec, I'll give you my exakt price Jul 09 15:43:52 I paid 314,00 EUR SIM-free and didn't buy it from O2 but a German dealer ... Jul 09 15:44:41 saying that: "dealer" is literally the exact right word as the HP Veer is an amazing device ... compared to my Pre- which I really rode to death ... :) Jul 09 15:49:32 hi Jul 09 17:16:49 hi, have a question about impostah Jul 09 17:17:33 any chance it could be used to set a system wide http proxy? Jul 09 18:42:31 Can someone help me rename a file on my pre while in recovery mode?? Jul 09 18:50:12 ~seen destinal Jul 09 18:50:21 destinal <~eduprey@12.145.226.124> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 9d 15h 53m 42s ago, saying: 'dwc-: oh but it has so much to say about it! :)'. Jul 09 18:55:43 anyone help me rename a file on my pre while in recovery mode?? Jul 09 19:33:43 Hi Guys, having trouble with restoring my Palm Pre. When I try using WebOS Doctor, it seems to work quite good but then stops at 14% (already at that percentage for ~15minutes)... Is there any known workaround? Using Windows 7 + Java (newest version I guess); Palm shows "CPU Chip with Pointer" icon. Jul 09 19:33:53 Any solution for that? Jul 09 19:34:06 Or any good tutorial on how to unbrick that device? Jul 09 19:34:23 Tried multiple computers, didn't work - I saw a "sao_drive" once, but wasn't able to open it. Jul 09 19:34:37 hrm Jul 09 19:34:54 the webosinternals wiki has some good info on restoring the hard way Jul 09 19:34:58 if you wanna try that Jul 09 19:35:05 may i get a link? Jul 09 19:35:21 its in the topic Jul 09 19:35:29 I'd love to do anything, because now it isn't more worth than a brick :( Jul 09 19:36:43 ... all solutions mentioned in the recovery article didn't work for me ... and some of the problems don't appear - it's just like not doing anything and being stuck. Jul 09 19:37:12 im trying to find it i know ive seen it on there Jul 09 19:37:23 So if you got a really good like - any help would be appreciated! Jul 09 19:37:27 *link Jul 09 19:38:30 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery Jul 09 19:39:09 thats the most in depth recovery information i've seen Jul 09 21:39:24 is there a good way to access local files in the browser? Jul 09 21:39:26 file://, etc? Jul 09 21:39:29 (anyone know offhand?) Jul 09 21:40:06 modified Machinarium (full game) so taht i could play on the touchpad :) Jul 09 21:40:20 got it setup so that it streams off my server, but for obvious reaons would like to just copy it all to the tp itself Jul 09 21:40:24 so i can play it on the go Jul 09 21:40:32 ps for those who haven't played, it's good, worth the buy Jul 09 21:40:41 got it as part of one of those humble bundle deals i think Jul 09 21:41:01 what was machinarium written in? Jul 09 21:41:22 dwc-: oh, it's flash. Jul 09 21:42:38 had to extract the swf from the projector file, but other than that was mostly straightforward Jul 09 21:42:56 (and had to wrap it in an html file, which again is nbd but just had to be done) Jul 09 21:43:02 apparently .swf files don't work by themselves, idk Jul 09 21:43:25 ahh Jul 09 21:49:03 well..time to load a webserver ;) Jul 09 21:49:27 :) Jul 09 22:13:36 Loudergood: ah, of course. good call. Jul 09 22:14:21 knew there was a good solution. Jul 09 22:16:22 I know universe's home page is a local file:/// Jul 09 22:18:59 that's also inside its cryptofs directory Jul 09 22:19:15 actually...if you install your swf in there it'll probably work Jul 09 22:22:35 errr file:/// doesn't work on my browser? Jul 09 22:22:49 it doesn't work in the webos browser Jul 09 22:23:01 at least, not on my pre Jul 09 22:25:38 you may have to use universe Jul 09 22:25:58 which isn't touchpad ready yet is it.... Jul 09 22:27:23 hooray! lighthttpd worked great, just made /media/internal/www the docroot Jul 09 22:27:27 (so i'd have sufficient space) Jul 09 22:27:29 and off we go Jul 09 22:27:29 :D Jul 09 22:28:16 can you make bookmarks launcher items? :) Jul 09 22:31:48 not that I'm aware of Jul 09 22:32:01 that might be a useful patch...hmm Jul 09 22:34:17 great time at the baltimore meet up Jul 09 23:06:57 hmm no hp play on linux? :( Jul 09 23:08:16 dtzWill: it's just songbird Jul 09 23:08:33 (well, rebranded, and likely with some specific HP extensions) Jul 09 23:08:48 so ... still no official linux support then :p Jul 09 23:08:51 all the more reason for it to be disappointing Jul 09 23:09:00 ^this :) Jul 09 23:09:17 I'm in the middle of copying gigabytes of music to my TP as we speak Jul 09 23:09:22 at least there's a full sdk for linux now Jul 09 23:09:39 I wish there was an ampache client Jul 09 23:10:53 mmm ampache. i'd settle for a good mpd client Jul 09 23:11:10 what does mpd get me that ampache doesn't? Jul 09 23:11:18 remote server plays it? Jul 09 23:11:31 oh Jul 09 23:11:33 want music coming out of my good speakers not my laptop/touchpad/device Jul 09 23:11:36 but controlling it from elsewhere Jul 09 23:11:43 oh, I see. Yeah, I don't have good speakers :) Jul 09 23:11:44 mpd+icecast fits the other use case(s) for me Jul 09 23:11:55 heh, well 'good' Jul 09 23:12:01 my good speakers are my headphones, which are always connected to whatever device I have with me Jul 09 23:12:06 ssh+mplayer :) Jul 09 23:13:14 is that "streaming audio"? Jul 09 23:14:32 ... my TP just rebooted on me Jul 09 23:14:41 oh, I wonder if it's because of USB mode Jul 09 23:14:44 sure... streams off the disk :P Jul 09 23:15:10 dwc-: I guess what I'm asking is whether or not the audio works over ssh Jul 09 23:15:26 or is that gonna play on the remote machine Jul 09 23:15:36 wait, that was way too fast to be a reboot Jul 09 23:15:45 I play it on the remote machine, which ahs the music on it and the better sound card and speakers Jul 09 23:15:51 right Jul 09 23:16:41 dwc-: heh yeah that's what i used to do, mpd does basically the same thing just over a more defined protocol that i can have a semi-nice gui for :) Jul 09 23:17:09 and an mpd client for touchpad would be great so i could control it from wherever Jul 09 23:17:17 also, wasn't there an ampache webos app a while back? Jul 09 23:17:24 was mojo iirc, but it seemed to work i thought? Jul 09 23:17:26 it probablyt does a lot better job than xmms2 Jul 09 23:17:44 dwc-: x11 forwarded xmms2, or does it have some remote protocol options as well? Jul 09 23:17:56 xmms2 was a client-server model Jul 09 23:18:06 oh that's right. Jul 09 23:18:12 yeah, mojo Jul 09 23:18:30 the one that I use on my pre isn't showing as availble for 3.0 in the app cat Jul 09 23:18:40 and the other one in preware isn't set for full-screen yet Jul 09 23:18:43 which gets me nothing Jul 09 23:20:29 I... it's the optware website that's causing a luna restart Jul 09 23:20:46 what url? Jul 09 23:21:04 whatever the first one in a google search for optware turns up Jul 09 23:21:25 the ddwrt one? Jul 09 23:21:27 removing the private browsing patch to make sure Jul 09 23:21:28 yes Jul 09 23:22:25 yep, hits about 45% loaded, and then luna restarts Jul 10 00:11:51 dtzWill: I thought /media/internal/www was the docroot by default for lighttpd in preware? Jul 10 00:12:46 summatusmentis: what URL for the restart? Jul 10 00:17:35 Is there a fullscreen version of wirc somewhere? Jul 10 00:17:43 yes, in the testing feed Jul 10 00:17:54 let us know which scenes are missing back buttons Jul 10 00:18:06 summatusmentis: what URL for the optware restart? Jul 10 00:18:20 Lemme find the exact one Jul 10 00:18:57 Whats the device specific testing feed url? Armv7? Jul 10 00:19:19 ~testing-feeds Jul 10 00:19:19 testing-feeds is probably a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Jul 10 00:21:48 rwhitby: v Jul 10 00:21:58 Ugh, hold on, pasting is hard Jul 10 00:22:06 http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Optware Jul 10 00:22:23 why are you using a dd-wrt page for optware? Jul 10 00:22:48 Trying to look up how to build an software package Jul 10 00:22:57 you should go to the source then Jul 10 00:23:15 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/AddAPackageToOptware Jul 10 00:23:45 I just googled software, and thats what came up, so I decided to try that first. Thanks Jul 10 00:24:37 Sorry, did you answer if its armv7 for testing feeds? Jul 10 00:24:47 also http://www.optware-project.org/ Jul 10 00:24:55 ~testing-feeds Jul 10 00:24:55 rumour has it, testing-feeds is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Jul 10 00:25:44 actually, replace that nslu2-linux url with http://www.optware-project.org/index.php?title=Add_a_Package_to_Optware Jul 10 00:25:49 Oh, the page has been updated, I missed that Jul 10 00:25:54 Thanks Jul 10 00:30:33 rwhitby: wiki says so, but freshly installed lighttpd says otherwise Jul 10 00:30:42 rwhitby: so i just changed the config, but that's where i got the idea from :) Jul 10 00:30:46 no idea how/why not. Jul 10 00:30:52 on touchpad, for whatever that's worth. Jul 10 00:31:16 dtzWill: I just updated the package the other day Jul 10 00:31:27 ah, mkay. Jul 10 00:32:01 dtzWill: http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/optware/lighttpd/files/lighttpd.conf should point it there Jul 10 00:33:10 rwhitby: oh i installed it from ipkg-opt Jul 10 00:33:11 not preware Jul 10 00:33:19 ah, there you go. Jul 10 00:33:30 sorry, didn't realize they were separate, hehe. Jul 10 00:33:32 do the one from Preware Jul 10 00:33:36 wait Jul 10 00:33:38 it's configured better Jul 10 00:33:45 no i knew they were separate, just figured lighttpd would be ipk-gopt kinda deal Jul 10 00:33:47 like vim Jul 10 00:33:50 etc Jul 10 00:33:53 mkay, great. will do, ty sir. Jul 10 00:34:18 e.g. it lets you browse your saverestore directory :) Jul 10 00:37:42 Wow, this is a much nicer experience :-) Jul 10 00:39:30 rwhitby: thanks Jul 10 02:10:33 Quick question...anyone know if Sprint is going to be getting another WebOS dev?... Jul 10 02:10:42 I'm intrigued. Jul 10 02:10:54 RavenIII: you obviously missed yesterday Jul 10 02:11:06 yeah, why what's up? Jul 10 02:11:13 or aren't following anything in webOS land Jul 10 02:11:42 I'll admit to that... Jul 10 02:11:54 there was a story on all three major sites, plus thisismynext.com, plus all over twitter Jul 10 02:12:11 I am just hopeful for a unlocked gsm pre3 at this point Jul 10 02:12:34 I don't want to go to at&t or verizon Jul 10 02:12:39 they're both expensive as heck Jul 10 02:13:02 You think the radio will be swappable? Jul 10 02:13:21 RavenIII: another thing which was covered yesterday Jul 10 02:13:29 damn it man. Jul 10 02:13:30 rwhitby: 3 major sites? Jul 10 02:13:36 pc, wor, and? Jul 10 02:13:41 RavenIII: I recommend you follow @webosinternals on twitter, or at least ready an RSS feed of that Jul 10 02:13:44 PatrickC: ww Jul 10 02:13:48 ah Jul 10 02:14:08 pc, wor, ww?...someone is supposed to make sense of that? Jul 10 02:14:23 pc = precentral Jul 10 02:14:29 wor = webos roundup Jul 10 02:14:30 RavenIII: they are all listed in the Help section of the Preware Homebrew Documentation app Jul 10 02:14:35 ww = webos world Jul 10 02:14:53 PatrickC: thanks. Jul 10 02:16:02 RavenIII: np Jul 10 02:18:44 arg.. my phone doesn't vibrate anymore... Jul 10 02:22:47 Don't feel too bad, the phone I just bought from CL doesn't have a working earpiece... Jul 10 02:23:14 I didn't see anything in the Twitter feed or on....thisismynext.com about the comm board being swapped out. Jul 10 02:24:24 RavenIII: https://twitter.com/#!/webosinternals/status/89474311605329920 Jul 10 02:24:43 of course Jul 10 02:26:35 looks like I'll be back to my ESN "repairing" Jul 10 02:26:52 RavenII: I'm gonna be frankenpre2'ing soon Jul 10 02:27:03 You haven't yet? Jul 10 02:27:19 nope Jul 10 02:27:24 I was under the impression you already had... Jul 10 02:27:30 I'm going to have a spare pre- before I do it Jul 10 02:27:43 for the Comm board? Jul 10 02:27:48 yeah Jul 10 02:27:56 Give me your addy...I'll send you one. Jul 10 02:28:02 Clean ESN Jul 10 02:28:07 I want to have a working pre that I can fall back on if something breaks Jul 10 02:28:15 na, you keep it and do it yourself :) Jul 10 02:28:23 Oh...nah, I only have 2 comm boards Jul 10 02:28:27 RavenIII: yeah, for Pre 3 ESN methods are likely to be the only way Jul 10 02:28:52 rwhitby: so it *might* be remotely possible? Jul 10 02:28:59 rwhitby: how much do you think an unlocked pre3 will cost? Jul 10 02:29:03 PatrickC: yeah, where there's a will there's a way Jul 10 02:29:22 Lumiere: I've put down pre-orders for two, each from different places Jul 10 02:29:54 * Lumiere hates non-GSM networks Jul 10 02:30:01 same here Jul 10 02:30:02 brb Jul 10 02:30:06 I love the price of sprint and therefore use it Jul 10 02:30:10 but CDMA is a pain Jul 10 02:30:42 Lumiere: both of those were for EU banded devices though Jul 10 02:30:51 Yeah...I got away from US Cellular because I spent years of my life hacking phones (modern phones) to work on their network... Jul 10 02:31:00 Now I"m having that issue with Sprint. Jul 10 02:31:44 rwhitby: I thought the pre3 was going to be usable across Jul 10 02:32:10 Lumiere: "world phone" when spoken by an american doesn't actually mean a phone that works everywhere in the world Jul 10 02:32:19 heh Jul 10 02:33:04 "world phone" in america means "works on CDMA in the US, and can roam for GSM and maybe EDGE in some parts of Europe" Jul 10 02:34:49 Lumiere: USD $800 from an importer in Australia, USD $700 (doesn't cover shipping) from Palm in Europe. Jul 10 02:35:13 ouch Jul 10 02:35:55 that's the usual price for an unlocked EU QWERTY GSM webOS device Jul 10 02:36:33 yea Jul 10 02:39:16 (which is what I need for Australia) Jul 10 02:39:28 luckily, the community donates cash to pay for that. Jul 10 02:40:36 I know Jul 10 02:41:00 you guys do an incredible amount for the community Jul 10 02:44:11 donations are the only way I can have 7 webOS devices sitting in front of me for testing various things. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 10 02:59:58 2011