**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 10 02:59:58 2011 Jul 10 03:06:51 Lumiere, you not workin today? Jul 10 03:45:44 cryptk: wha? Jul 10 03:55:43 "world phones" are more about the *phone* part working ... i.e. can make calls Jul 10 03:55:51 which, they will Jul 10 03:56:21 there's very few devices with penta-band gsm even, anywhere Jul 10 04:01:34 dwc-: you mean like the iPhone 4 ? Jul 10 04:02:47 unless you mean 5 bands that include the weird 1700 only used in the US Jul 10 04:02:58 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_4#Connectivity) Jul 10 04:04:30 but are all 5 bands usable? Jul 10 04:04:45 depends on how your carrier has locked it down Jul 10 04:04:46 I need assistance with my Palm Pixi Plus, looking to root it without activating it, more importantly, looking for any assistance as to how to port it over to Metro PCS with full functionality. Any assistance out there? Jul 10 04:04:59 the Nokia N8 is also pentaband Jul 10 04:05:01 well, it's an iphone, so it's not really your carrier locking it down at all -- it's apple Jul 10 04:05:20 I'm aware of the n8 Jul 10 04:05:40 "world phone" isn't really about the 3g though Jul 10 04:05:42 dwc-: carriers get to choose locking or not for iPhone Jul 10 04:06:04 it's more the quad band for making voice/2g Jul 10 04:06:09 dwc-: I agree that most people who say "world phone" don't mean 3G. Jul 10 04:06:22 johndoe29831021: there is no such thing as rooting a pre Jul 10 04:06:27 anyways, re: 1700, 1700 is the assigned freq for US 3g Jul 10 04:06:29 or a pixi or w/e Jul 10 04:06:30 dwc-: but when you apply the term to a smartphone, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Jul 10 04:07:12 "world phone" smartphone that doesn't do 3G in at least 3 bands isn't really a world-phone in my book. Jul 10 04:07:22 AT&T/rogers used a non-standard one because they didn't wait, and instead deployed on their freed up 850mhz from their TDMA service Jul 10 04:08:53 dwc-: I know that the US has chosen the weird 1700 freq, since the more standard freqs were already used for other things. Jul 10 04:10:11 and I disagree that there should be really different standards for "world" smartphones... but I know I'm wierd... I actually use my smartphone to ... make voice calls. Jul 10 04:10:31 given the high percentage of the market that is not a smartphone Jul 10 04:10:43 I'm trying to get this done while bypassing activation..... http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux Jul 10 04:11:20 dwc-: marketing a smartphone as a world-phone with only two 3G bands that won't work in most places in the world for 3G data is misleading advertising in my book Jul 10 04:11:24 or technically without bypassing activation. Jul 10 04:11:54 dwc-: saying it for a dumbphone is perfectly fine Jul 10 04:18:35 who's marketing smartphones as worldphones with only 2 3g bands? Jul 10 04:19:12 anything recent comes with one of the US/CA bands, EU bands, and asia Jul 10 04:19:19 so having some Franken Pre2 issues if anyone is around Jul 10 04:20:15 * dwc- also kicks att for breaking the dsl again Jul 10 04:21:40 dwc-: what's the 3G bands for the Pre 3 "world phone" ? Jul 10 04:22:47 bnceo: what's up? Jul 10 04:23:10 I get the battery symbol when I plug USB cable from computer Jul 10 04:23:30 doesn't turn on normally when I have a battery in there (that is charged) Jul 10 04:24:33 johndoe29831021: you still here? Jul 10 04:24:42 beats me. All I hear are rumors on webos websites. Jul 10 04:25:16 I also haven't seen any marketing material for it Jul 10 04:25:52 Yes Jul 10 04:26:09 Still here. Jul 10 04:26:39 ok Jul 10 04:26:56 are you trying to bypass firstuse to use the phone without activating? Jul 10 04:27:05 I can't help with the metro part, sorry Jul 10 04:28:32 Is there any way to bypass the first use activation while preserving the cellular connectivity of the phone? I believe that if I upload the activation bypass file to the phone, it will disable the cellular radio. Jul 10 04:28:51 hence making it impossible for me to proceed with trying to get it on to Metro PCS. Jul 10 04:29:38 see http://en.m.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Jul 10 04:30:29 that will help you bypass the firstuse Jul 10 04:30:37 or.. 1 second, I'll get another link Jul 10 04:31:17 johndoe29831021: https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_on_an_unactivated_device.html Jul 10 04:33:21 That second link, will it disable the cellular radio or is it just stating that of course because you bypassed activation, you won't be able to make calls, use data, etc. Jul 10 04:33:58 and can i trigger activation after applying that? Jul 10 04:34:14 I'm not 100% sure.. Jul 10 04:34:52 k, thanks a lot, gonna give that first link a try, gotta download Ubuntu first. Appreciate it. Jul 10 04:35:13 Ubuntu is fun Jul 10 04:35:20 glad I don't have to partion for it Jul 10 04:35:35 bnceo: wubi or vm? Jul 10 04:35:46 inside windows Jul 10 04:35:49 so I guess wubi? Jul 10 04:36:12 I have a spare laptop, might as well full install it just for fun, haven't tried 11.04 yet. Jul 10 04:36:19 do you have to reboot to use it? Jul 10 04:36:28 johndoe29831021: use wubi Jul 10 04:36:48 yes Jul 10 04:36:50 k, gonna go to sleep and resume tomorrow, getting kinda late here. Jul 10 04:37:05 I'll come back and let you know how it went. Jul 10 04:37:07 bnceo: that's wubi :) Jul 10 04:37:11 johndoe29831021: ok Jul 10 04:37:16 yup. I assumed. not a 100% sure Jul 10 04:37:20 * bnceo is a linux newb Jul 10 04:37:30 But I created the meta doctor I need Jul 10 04:37:36 that's why I did it Jul 10 04:37:38 same here Jul 10 04:37:40 But having some issues now Jul 10 04:37:45 I'm getting better at linux all the time Jul 10 04:37:54 with using novaterm daily lol Jul 10 04:38:02 I now do ls in windows Jul 10 04:38:30 I love linux, i'm a WebOS noob. =) Jul 10 04:39:00 I'm a noob in deving. So there you go. haha Jul 10 04:39:20 tampered with it before and i enjoy the UI much more than iPhone or Android, trying to get this Palm Pixi Plus onto Metro PCS for my girlfriend. Jul 10 04:39:49 anyway, have a good night and thanks for the help. Jul 10 04:40:46 so patrick, you did a meta doctor before for what? Jul 10 04:41:20 I did a meta-doctor for 2.1 on my pre+ in windows (a while ago) and I've don't many since Jul 10 04:41:29 heh. the iphone's 5th band is 800Mhz? used by one carrier worldwide... docomo which isn't even the iphone carrier for japan -- softbank is Jul 10 04:42:00 that's pretty useless for a 5th band... the n8's 1700 is more useful ;) Jul 10 04:42:11 I think 800 is used by Claro in Peru Jul 10 04:42:27 isn't 800mhz the band on Sprint and Verizion world blackberries? Jul 10 04:42:52 the wikipedia article for the list of umts networks lists 850/1900 for claro Jul 10 04:42:53 * PatrickC doesn't like BB phones Jul 10 04:43:22 what about Movistar? Jul 10 04:43:32 I think moviestar uses the AT&T bands Jul 10 04:44:18 I will have to investigate when i get there Jul 10 04:44:20 that 800 is probably cdma Jul 10 04:44:42 * dwc- isn't sure Jul 10 04:44:49 yeah. don't think so on that one Jul 10 04:44:51 but who knows Jul 10 04:45:12 dwc-: oh, hey, quick question. do the current gsm pres hsve any specturm limitations on t-mobile? Jul 10 04:45:21 yea, no 3g. Jul 10 04:45:25 no 1700 band Jul 10 04:45:40 orly? :( Jul 10 04:45:48 yep. I am on EDGE Jul 10 04:45:58 that makes the $50 prepaid much less appealing if 3g isn't an optoin Jul 10 04:46:00 option Jul 10 04:46:11 yea... Jul 10 04:46:22 Tmobile in US just sucks Jul 10 04:46:29 I'm pretty sure I mentioned when you asked that I am only on 2G? Jul 10 04:46:30 like big time. their bands are very mysterious Jul 10 04:46:46 their bands are mysteriously the officially assigned ones for the region :P Jul 10 04:46:49 dwc-: you said you were, but I assumed that was due to your grandfathered edge stuff Jul 10 04:46:58 not hardware limitations Jul 10 04:47:01 ahh Jul 10 04:47:03 unfortunately, the pricing of tmobile and sprint make them much more doable then at&t or verizon Jul 10 04:47:03 at least the AT&T bands exist in lots of diff places Jul 10 04:47:17 Lumiere: indeed Jul 10 04:47:20 which is massively expensive Jul 10 04:47:23 but now sprint isn't rally an optoin Jul 10 04:47:27 option* Jul 10 04:47:36 pretty much Jul 10 04:48:01 I really don't want to pay an additional $75 to get the same service Jul 10 04:48:01 you wont' find 850 3g in a lot of places, but a few more Jul 10 04:48:36 Lumiere: right there with you :-/ Jul 10 04:48:42 Too many bands! Jul 10 04:48:55 probably all the others that had stuff deployed on 1700, or decided that they could be more compatible with bigger badder at&t/cingular/attws/cellular one/ ;) Jul 10 04:49:21 * dwc- guesses that came down probably to not having the clout to get the mfrs to make them phones Jul 10 04:50:06 att is eating t-mobile anyway, so... Jul 10 04:50:45 yea... I'm betting I won't get grandfathered $5 unlimited, but on 3g ;) Jul 10 04:50:53 *unlimited data Jul 10 04:51:09 heh Jul 10 04:51:17 my hope would be that if you get a sim-only account with t-mobile Jul 10 04:51:31 that you could upgrade phones and move sim cards without ever signing new contracts Jul 10 04:51:34 but, you know, I live near SF, where the AT&T 3g is all clogged up with iphone users anyways, so... Jul 10 04:51:40 hahaha Jul 10 04:51:48 it's clogged in all tech areas Jul 10 04:52:09 San Antonio and Washington DC are horrible for it too Jul 10 04:52:16 Lumiere: that's sorta why I'm looking at t-mobile, but if the webos devices can't do 3g, I'm not sure what the point is Jul 10 04:52:16 and nyc Jul 10 04:52:48 summatusmentis: I am going to wait and see Jul 10 04:53:02 I don't do tons of browsing, no streaming, so the 200-250kbps EDGE gives me is typically enough Jul 10 04:53:23 would be nice to be faster when I'm tethering, but ehh Jul 10 04:53:27 that's fairly rare Jul 10 04:53:38 Lumiere: yeah, me too, but I'm 90% sure I'm switching to a carrier that lets me get a pre3 Jul 10 04:53:48 just bought a TouchPad today, and I'm in love Jul 10 04:54:13 my buddy in baltimore is using a sprint mifi for his data Jul 10 04:54:43 (and ditched his home broadband and at&t data plan) Jul 10 04:54:52 dwc-: just another thing to carry around, but I can see why you would do that Jul 10 04:55:33 I am wondering what bands are in use where Jul 10 04:55:35 for t-mobile Jul 10 04:55:42 which, since it was a german O2 pre-, I guess it didn't have AT&T 3g Jul 10 04:55:44 they're showing access in the 2100 band too Jul 10 04:56:37 what do you mean? Jul 10 04:56:47 (tmobile europe maybe?) Jul 10 04:56:57 the wikipedia article for tmobile s Jul 10 04:56:58 us Jul 10 04:58:19 ok. tired. bedtime Jul 10 04:58:20 "1700" is a pair... 1700/2100 Jul 10 04:58:21 gnite guys Jul 10 04:58:36 solving my frankenpre2 issues tomorrow Jul 10 04:58:36 'night Jul 10 04:58:40 night Jul 10 04:58:44 oh and summatusmentis: congrats on the TouchPad Jul 10 04:59:36 dwc-: ic Jul 10 05:00:35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands#UMTS-FDD Jul 10 05:01:03 yea just looking at that Jul 10 05:03:34 hm, telstra is switching to 850 too? Jul 10 05:12:04 bnceo: hey thanks Jul 10 05:12:13 summatusmentis: on a positive, if you use AT&T with a sim card Jul 10 05:12:18 you have no contract Jul 10 05:12:27 not necessarily Jul 10 05:12:35 AT&T contracts still use sim cards Jul 10 05:13:30 yes, but if you do a sim-only contract Jul 10 05:13:52 they don't lock you into a 2 year contract (vis-a-vi the website's non-legal section) Jul 10 05:14:02 I haven't tried to find any more info Jul 10 05:15:35 oh, I see Jul 10 05:17:23 $65 on AT&T for 450/mo + 2GB data Jul 10 05:18:31 yea Jul 10 05:18:47 +$20 for 1000 txts Jul 10 05:19:00 right Jul 10 05:19:02 ugh Jul 10 05:19:28 $65 on Sprint for 450 voice, unlimited data and text Jul 10 05:19:29 =p Jul 10 05:19:38 Clark008: not for a pre3 Jul 10 05:19:52 I hear virgin mobile you can't bring your own phone either, if a cdma version turns up Jul 10 05:20:12 dwc-: correct, most cdma providers don't let you bring your own phone Jul 10 05:20:24 ahh Jul 10 05:20:27 is pre3 going to att? Jul 10 05:20:35 Clark008: I am a pre- owner looking to figure out what the options will be Jul 10 05:20:41 gotcha Jul 10 05:20:46 Clark008: the money is on att/vzw Jul 10 05:20:51 Clark008: all we know now, according to This Is My Next, pre3 isn't coming to sprint Jul 10 05:20:59 so probably att/vzw Jul 10 05:21:00 I thought they'd do sprint cause of pre- Jul 10 05:21:12 * dwc- wonders how hard it'd be to get a phone from them and clone it onto your pre3 Jul 10 05:21:19 http://thisismynext.com/2011/07/08/exclusive-pre-3-not-coming-sprint/ Jul 10 05:21:30 as much as I hate that I have to move off sprint (which has the same footprint as the big 2 and is way cheaper) Jul 10 05:21:40 dwc-: esn cloning? that's pretty illegal, iirc Jul 10 05:22:09 even if it's your own device? Jul 10 05:22:19 damn, that sucks Jul 10 05:22:31 dwc-: I think so, not 100% sure Jul 10 05:22:41 Clark008: but if I can get into the ~$80 range with no contract Jul 10 05:24:01 although, I never use 450 minutes a month Jul 10 05:24:10 so it shouldn't be an issue Jul 10 05:24:20 rwhitby: i uninstall lighttpd from ipkg-opt, and instlaled the preware version Jul 10 05:24:21 rebooted Jul 10 05:24:25 (my current sprint family plan only has 600 minutes :) ) Jul 10 05:24:39 but doesn't...seem to be running? Jul 10 05:24:59 (despite "stop mobi.optware.lighttpd; start (ditto)) Jul 10 05:25:07 any thoughts? Jul 10 05:25:10 i'll debug it later... Jul 10 05:25:41 check /var/log/messages? Jul 10 05:25:45 I guess I can get a discount through school on anything that isn't vzw Jul 10 05:26:11 failing that, try starting apachectl/httpd from the command line and see if there's any errors printed? Jul 10 05:26:21 I left att cause the iphone pissed me off Jul 10 05:26:27 hate to go back to it for pre3 Jul 10 05:27:55 might as well, sprint wouldn't give me evo 3d subsidized Jul 10 05:30:27 well, so, with discount I could pay $60 on at&t Jul 10 05:30:36 assuming no texting Jul 10 05:30:52 ugh Jul 10 05:56:44 first time using wirc. I'm impressed ! Jul 10 06:40:52 dwc-: yeah, telstra in Australia is pushing 850 hard Jul 10 10:13:06 morning Jul 10 11:03:20 hi Jul 10 14:59:08 I'm trying to compile node.js from source on the TouchPad (I want to get node-waf which does not come bundled on the TouchPad). I ran my build and got to step 69/69 in the Makefile. Where it errors with warning: warning: sync_file_range is not implemented and will always fail /arm-none-linux-gnueabi/lib/libdl.so: undefined reference to `_dl_tls_get_addr_soft@GLIBC_PRIVATE' Jul 10 15:00:48 Googleing seems to indicate its an error with libc not defining dl_tls_get_addr_soft or something. Do I need to compile a newer version of GCC that what's in optware? Jul 10 15:12:26 morning Jul 10 15:12:28 anyone up? Jul 10 15:18:09 bout to beach Jul 10 15:49:46 nice oc80z Jul 10 15:49:52 rwhitby: figured it out Jul 10 15:50:44 brb. ubuntu time Jul 10 16:13:51 meta-doctoring Jul 10 16:13:59 * bnceo is falling in love with ubuntu Jul 10 16:51:59 anyone around? Jul 10 16:52:10 having some activation issues on my FrankenPre 2 Jul 10 16:58:12 rlovelett, which version of node? Jul 10 16:59:09 v0.2.3 Jul 10 16:59:28 ah.... Jul 10 16:59:31 I'm trying to build the exact same version as whats on the TP Jul 10 17:00:04 I'm sure there are patches for it too... Jul 10 17:00:38 nm. figured it out Jul 10 17:00:39 dumb me Jul 10 17:01:04 Do you think it would be worth while to recompile libc for the GCC 4.6? Jul 10 17:01:47 rlovelett, for which build system? Jul 10 17:02:52 I'm actually compiling on the TP because I couldn't figure out how to compile ARM binaries on my linux box Jul 10 17:03:32 So what I'm proposing is building GCC 4.6 on my touchpad then using gcc 4.6 to compile node? Do you think that would have a different outcome or just a waste of time? Jul 10 17:05:58 rlovelett, I doubt that palm is anywhere close to 4.6 of gcc Jul 10 17:06:25 thats what I figured too Jul 10 17:07:05 I have heard rumours that someone has done that. Jul 10 17:07:35 rlovelett: this may be of interest to you if you want to build cross compiling tools: https://github.com/jsnyder/arm-eabi-toolchain Jul 10 17:07:51 Ok well I'll just say this all I am trying to do is this: compile node-expat https://github.com/wahvee/node-expat Jul 10 17:07:58 and it requires node-waf Jul 10 17:08:05 which does not come on the touchpad Jul 10 17:08:07 so there i am Jul 10 17:08:38 does libexpat come on the tp ? Jul 10 17:08:46 yep Jul 10 17:08:55 rlovelett, have you seen widk/pdk/sdk? Jul 10 17:09:02 those all have cross-toolchains Jul 10 17:09:35 ldconfig -p | grep libexpat # libexpat.so.0 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libexpat.so.0 Jul 10 17:10:30 I think the version of libexpat on the TP is 1.95.8 Jul 10 17:10:47 I thought the pdk stuff doesn't work on linux Jul 10 17:10:57 I have the sdk installed though yes Jul 10 17:11:19 @bpadalino I will check that out thank you Jul 10 17:11:32 good luck Jul 10 17:13:26 the 3.0 of the sdk finally added linux pdk support Jul 10 17:20:43 rlovelett: if you setup a natty chroot it can build node modules that work with the native os just fine Jul 10 17:22:51 i don't know what "natty chroot" is? Jul 10 17:23:52 a chroot on the tp with ubuntu natty distro. Jul 10 17:41:00 Does anyone have any experience taking a Palm Pixi Plus and flashing it to Metro PCS? Jul 10 17:41:26 johndoe28940, did you check the wiki? Jul 10 17:42:16 the webos-internals wiki? Yeah, no real how-to guide for Metro PCS. Jul 10 17:52:12 @bpadalino I got that to install. How do I envoke it over the GCC? Jul 10 17:53:12 you mean for configure and make ? Jul 10 17:53:27 i believe they follow the environment variables for $CC Jul 10 17:54:48 yeah I mean for configure and make sorry Jul 10 17:55:06 so something like export CC="something"? Jul 10 17:55:37 its not just linking gcc to the right version/ Jul 10 17:56:08 ka6sox: i am honestly not sure .. i've always used a CC environment variable or just called the correct gcc myself .. Jul 10 17:56:14 never done it with a configure script Jul 10 17:56:49 OE does it that way with a env var. Jul 10 17:57:08 they seem like a pretty smart bunch :) Jul 10 17:57:58 it depends on the configure script, ive been dealing with that all week Jul 10 17:58:13 i have a small bahs script to set all my env vars up Jul 10 17:58:21 *bash Jul 10 17:58:32 then something like ./configure --host=arm Jul 10 17:59:02 yeah some configure and make things depend on the output of a compiled program .. so when cross compiling, it's just no good Jul 10 17:59:39 yesterad i was building a static lib of taglib and it uses cmake Jul 10 17:59:42 nightmare. Jul 10 18:00:02 i can't type, too much coffee heh Jul 10 18:18:54 why can't I install app launcher configuration to my palm pixi plus verizon Jul 10 18:45:08 arrgghhhhh PALLLMMMMM Jul 10 18:45:32 frakin mediaCapture stuff works for crap :/ Jul 10 18:49:46 wut up homies Jul 10 18:50:10 hey bnceo Jul 10 18:52:53 so I figured out my FrankenPre issue Jul 10 18:53:13 but in the process, I've gotten pretty good at doing the conversion Jul 10 18:53:44 lol Jul 10 18:53:50 I'll be doing it soon Jul 10 18:54:35 I think i broke my gps when i did my conversion Jul 10 18:54:47 only google location services work, that's not normal is it? Jul 10 18:55:04 apparently, GPS issues are known to happen Jul 10 18:55:17 ah ok at least its not something I did Jul 10 18:55:21 it doesn't bother me too much Jul 10 18:55:39 so my issue is that I didn't have my pre activated before I put it into a PRe2 Jul 10 18:55:47 ahh yeah Jul 10 18:56:04 so docting to 1.4.5 now. I'll make a crap profile (it's activated on Sprint's end) Jul 10 18:56:08 Does anyone here use a Boxee box or Boxee on a computer ? Jul 10 18:56:16 nice Jul 10 18:56:19 and then proceed to swap out the boards again Jul 10 18:56:29 thtas a pain ;) Jul 10 18:56:30 then I can doctor again Jul 10 18:56:34 haha. yup Jul 10 18:56:52 but like when I first got XP and fubared my desktop 10 years ago Jul 10 18:56:55 i managed to get it going first try Jul 10 18:56:55 I learn and got good at it Jul 10 18:57:25 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade#GPS Jul 10 18:57:26 and i desoldered the antenna and everything cause I wanted to use as much of the pre2 body as I could Jul 10 18:57:30 ^^for your GPS issues Jul 10 18:57:54 oh yeah. I didn't mess that much Jul 10 18:59:17 sorta feels weird being without a phone for a while Jul 10 18:59:27 but in a good way. haha Jul 10 19:00:45 I'm pondering doing the pre2 upgrade, I kinda just want the pre3 when it's out though Jul 10 19:01:00 you on vz or AT&T I presume Jul 10 19:01:05 if so, ya. Just wait it out Jul 10 19:01:06 it's coming Jul 10 19:01:11 im so happy with my pre2 im in no hurry for the pre3 Jul 10 19:01:31 as a Sprint user, this Pre2 is my only choice that it has to last me a while Jul 10 19:01:42 bnceo: no, I'm on sprint right now Jul 10 19:01:46 I might just switch carrier Jul 10 19:01:48 carriers* Jul 10 19:01:51 ya. Jul 10 19:02:03 if you're month to month, reevaluate when it comes out Jul 10 19:02:09 ill probably switch when it comes out Jul 10 19:02:13 I am, my contract has been over for a while Jul 10 19:02:18 my gf switched to vzw to get a pre2 heh Jul 10 19:02:36 I can't. GF's line is still under ETF Jul 10 19:04:37 yay. phone is activated Jul 10 19:04:47 gonna let it going through its paces. t hen swap the boards Jul 10 19:06:20 hp needs to do something about this terrible documentation. this is driving me insane Jul 10 19:06:27 their forum search is a joke too Jul 10 19:06:33 they need a tech writer Jul 10 19:06:37 * bnceo is one, but just started Jul 10 19:06:47 I can build stuff for ios faster then webos and that is just stupid Jul 10 19:07:50 sometimes, finding stuff is just a pain. that I will agree with Jul 10 19:08:14 i wish they would just fix the forum search, i know a ton of answers are hidden in there with no way to find them Jul 10 19:08:42 like, i go back to find a topic I read a couple months back, i have to go page by page looking for it :/ Jul 10 19:09:16 with every answer from HP should come new documentation to note that Jul 10 19:10:15 that would be huge Jul 10 19:10:17 help Jul 10 19:17:38 meta-doctoring time Jul 10 19:21:57 Anyone have any idea on this: Jul 10 19:22:05 I trying to use the MediaCapture object Jul 10 19:22:19 it's making a PalmCall to com.palm.mediad Jul 10 19:22:32 this is the error I get when trying to record audio Jul 10 19:22:33 Error: com.palm.mediad is not running. Jul 10 19:22:50 Do i need to require that service somewhere so it will be started or something? Jul 10 19:36:42 w00t! Apps DLing and google syncing Jul 10 19:36:58 grats! Jul 10 19:37:15 I feel pretty good right now. Like I really did something Jul 10 19:37:35 the WebOS Internals peeps and their helpers have really made this easy for non-techs like myself Jul 10 19:37:44 cause you think I would know how to write a script? Jul 10 19:39:17 bnceo: etx`: start a wiki? Jul 10 19:39:32 i should Jul 10 19:39:39 im like two seconds from giving up Jul 10 19:39:53 it just seems like everything is more difficult than it should be Jul 10 19:40:17 I guess its just easier to get docs and examples for ios Jul 10 19:40:28 i really shouldn't compare the two tho ;) Jul 10 20:09:17 I just published an app to the app store. Jul 10 20:09:28 It's basically http://www2.tech.purdue.edu/cg/courses/cgt411/covey/48_laws_of_power.htm inside an app. Jul 10 20:09:55 it that OK??? Jul 10 20:10:30 I'm not charging for it. Jul 10 20:27:38 scoinvPre: of course it's ok Jul 10 20:27:55 it's a start. Now start thinking of some more functionality Jul 10 20:30:25 scoinvPre: that's totally fine Jul 10 20:44:16 hmm Jul 10 20:44:23 can't seem to install an IPK Jul 10 20:45:16 bnceo & PatrickC: cool. thanks. I was just a little worried about getting sued. :) Jul 10 20:45:26 lol Jul 10 20:45:32 I get package dependencies not satisfied Jul 10 20:46:13 scoinvPre: what's the name? Jul 10 20:46:41 of the app? Jul 10 20:46:44 Hey guys. Just curious... What's a good way of distributing a theme without using Prethemer? Jul 10 20:46:52 48 Laws of Power Jul 10 20:47:34 Garrett92C: I believe PC has a theme feed Jul 10 20:47:35 bbl Jul 10 20:47:45 scoinvPre: I'll look For it :) Jul 10 20:47:47 bnceo: Google the error with quotes around it. Jul 10 20:48:03 PatrickC: Oh yea, I forgot about that feed. lol Jul 10 20:48:04 haha Jul 10 20:48:20 I have a bunch of ideas for apps. :) Jul 10 20:48:42 scoinvPre: id love to help with some :) Jul 10 20:48:53 how much JS knowledge do you have? Jul 10 20:49:47 I'll say I'm right between beginner to advanced Jul 10 20:49:53 scoinvPre: sorry.. g2g.. PM me if you want, I can talk with you in a few ;) Jul 10 20:49:57 hmm. maybe cause I don't have the right SDK going Jul 10 20:50:00 scoinvPre: same here Jul 10 20:50:04 only got the recently released 3.0 Jul 10 20:50:12 PM me and we can talk if you want ;) Jul 10 20:50:19 will do Jul 10 20:50:27 I have a current app that's in beta that could use some love too :) Jul 10 21:01:01 bah. gonna miss Sprint Nav on my Sprint Pre2 =\ Jul 10 21:52:59 bnceo: ping Jul 10 22:48:46 thx for the ping Jul 10 23:00:29 bnceo: PM? Jul 10 23:25:18 hello? Jul 10 23:25:44 anyone have an experience with Sprint Pre 2's? Jul 10 23:27:02 I submitted a patch last night that hasn't been approved/denied. I found a bug today and also wanted to add tweaks. Jul 10 23:27:51 resubmit? Jul 10 23:29:23