**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 12 02:59:57 2011 Jul 12 03:05:55 do i have to re-install the rom to wire the files i have installed? Jul 12 03:09:45 reinstall the what to what the files? Jul 12 03:11:11 oops i mean wipe Jul 12 03:11:34 what files did you install? Jul 12 03:11:47 like the remaining config files from an app or overwritten img files Jul 12 03:12:16 themes, openssh, plugins Jul 12 03:12:21 stuff like that Jul 12 03:12:28 you could remove them yourself, but doctoring should wipe it mostly clean Jul 12 03:12:50 k thanks Jul 12 03:12:50 e.g. I think openssh is set up to survive a doctoring Jul 12 03:12:58 ouch Jul 12 03:13:14 well i guess it's worth a shot Jul 12 03:21:33 have you ever done the dr? Jul 12 03:21:48 nope Jul 12 03:22:04 obviously, I'm not hacking my phone enough Jul 12 03:22:20 exactly Jul 12 03:22:42 i love this phone Jul 12 03:44:01 k Jul 12 04:38:05 what happens if dr. battery is running, calibrating, and you unplug the charger? Jul 12 04:41:59 your pre self destructs Jul 12 04:42:32 lol Jul 12 04:42:39 does calibration just stop? Jul 12 04:43:14 my guess is it'd be miscalibrated Jul 12 04:44:16 ok thx Jul 12 05:13:22 so, has anyone looked into modifying the on screen keyboard? Jul 12 06:39:23 I found some old drum triggers... I think when I get a new electric kit I will use them to make some interesting pads... Jul 12 06:39:31 maybe use a sawblade as a splash... Jul 12 08:09:27 ChanServ, ty :) Jul 12 08:09:47 * dtz is talking on xchat running in a debian chroot on an xserver running on his touchpad Jul 12 08:09:59 atm using synergy (not chrooted) to contorl it Jul 12 08:10:04 hehe Jul 12 08:12:18 dtz, nice! Jul 12 08:12:30 dtz, is first man to use mouse on touch pad Jul 12 08:12:38 :)\ Jul 12 08:13:57 Jack87, not true Jul 12 08:14:02 I did it the other night at work Jul 12 08:14:10 but mine was in a chroot Jul 12 08:14:16 cryptk, did you actually did it? Jul 12 08:14:30 cryptk, his is a chroot in xserver :) Jul 12 08:14:50 his linux install is in a chroot Jul 12 08:14:54 his synergy is outside it Jul 12 08:15:00 on mine both were inside Jul 12 08:15:16 hehe exciting stuff Jul 12 08:15:43 so I was the first to use a mouse in X server, dtz is first do do it with synergy outside the chroot Jul 12 08:15:49 did the chrooting come into play because of our experimenting on nook? Jul 12 08:16:31 i dont ever remember much chroot installs going on with the phones Jul 12 08:17:09 Jack87, that's because the phones aren't powerful enough, and don't have a large enough screen, to make it feasable Jul 12 08:17:11 Jack87: http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Debian_chroot&action=history ;) Jul 12 08:17:19 but it had been done Jul 12 08:17:24 but not much GUI stuff Jul 12 08:17:31 but chroots definitely did exist Jul 12 08:17:50 hehe i remember i had a desktop enviorment running with open office using will's xserver before Jul 12 08:17:57 zomg this is good shit. Jul 12 08:18:04 * dtzWill is a happy dtzWill Jul 12 08:18:07 on the original pre. boy it did not handle it at all Jul 12 08:18:18 :) dtzWill you make me happy Jul 12 08:18:38 Jack87: d'awww ;) Jul 12 08:18:45 dtzWill, i contributed to that page haha i didnt even remember Jul 12 08:19:00 lol! didn't even see that Jul 12 08:19:00 looooool Jul 12 08:19:04 s'all good Jul 12 08:19:10 haha Jul 12 08:20:43 holly shit lol funny stuff i feel silly now Jul 12 08:21:18 dtzWill, i bet its nice to see all your work last year on x is paying off now with tp Jul 12 08:21:36 hehe yep :D Jul 12 08:22:27 * Jack87 needs to reboot brb Jul 12 12:12:27 , Jul 12 12:43:12 hello all!!! Jul 12 12:43:48 synergy Jul 12 13:12:11 hello all Jul 12 13:12:30 hello Jul 12 13:13:45 i seem to have an issue after setting up ssh on my pre i can't connect to web pages. have you heard of this problem before? Jul 12 13:14:27 nope Jul 12 13:14:33 lucky me Jul 12 13:14:40 i guess, lol Jul 12 13:42:39 what is this TouchPad X Windows Synergy Jul 12 13:46:20 matbee: synergy is something that allows keyboard/mouse sharing Jul 12 13:46:33 :-/ Jul 12 13:46:42 so, they're running X, and sharing the keyboard/mouse over the network, on the touchpad Jul 12 13:47:17 http://www.amazon.com/Cobweb-Neal-Stephenson/dp/0553383442/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1310444056&sr=8-16 Jul 12 13:47:20 that's what i dont get Jul 12 13:47:23 crap, stupid copy-paste Jul 12 13:47:30 http://synergy-foss.org/ Jul 12 13:47:43 matbee: which part? Jul 12 13:47:53 it's not sharing the keyboard/mouse Jul 12 13:48:23 it... what? Jul 12 13:48:58 matbee: yes it is Jul 12 13:49:12 let me see this again Jul 12 13:49:22 one keyboard and mouse... connected to the pc Jul 12 13:49:36 working for both the pc and the tp Jul 12 13:49:38 they're running an X server on the touchpad, and sharing the kb/mouse from the pc to the X server on the tp Jul 12 13:50:05 keyboard input is directed to whatever screen the mouse is on Jul 12 13:50:18 youre sharing an x-server display over a network Jul 12 13:50:25 no Jul 12 13:50:38 just watched your video cryptk Jul 12 13:50:42 nice stuff Jul 12 13:50:51 there is an x server on the pc and another one on the tp Jul 12 13:51:00 matbee: read the link I provided you Jul 12 13:51:21 the to is running its own ubuntu natty and gnome Jul 12 13:51:28 tp* Jul 12 13:51:34 ohhhh Jul 12 13:52:01 it looked like vnc Jul 12 13:52:11 ha Jul 12 13:52:56 so the tp can run ubuntu Jul 12 13:53:45 in a chroot environment, as I understand it Jul 12 14:08:34 yeah that synergy work is awesome Jul 12 14:11:12 matbee: I also want to point out that the desktop is running gnome shell, the tp obviously is not Jul 12 14:14:53 now im excited Jul 12 14:15:48 well, ws Jul 12 14:15:50 was* Jul 12 14:15:56 i just installed synergy on my laptop/desktop on linux Jul 12 14:16:00 hello configuration hell Jul 12 14:16:06 rm -rf synergy Jul 12 14:18:10 it isn't that bad, lll Jul 12 14:18:35 and if a little text file scares you... Jul 12 14:19:24 lol Jul 12 14:20:46 doesn't scare me, no. Funny how linux guys hold -0- interest in gui Jul 12 14:22:29 synergy interfaces with X itself, not gnome, or kde, or lxde etc Jul 12 14:23:10 and it isn't that we aren't interested... we just don't need them Jul 12 14:37:26 but you use xwindows Jul 12 14:37:31 that's why it's so strange Jul 12 14:38:35 do you know which port it uses? Jul 12 14:39:55 24800 Jul 12 14:45:39 i hate our network at work.. our wifi and lan networks cannot communicate Jul 12 14:45:44 i have to tunnel out Jul 12 14:56:02 http://youtu.be/Ua-iFu4N1Yk <- 4 different webOS devices running Synergy. Jul 12 15:08:36 Hm... has anybody run into stability issues with preware on webos2.1 causing luna manager to reset irregularly? I know I'd asked before -- and I've since doctored my pre2 ... and thus far it seems to be a bit better, but not fixed... Jul 12 15:14:34 cat-xeger: your experience is not a common one Jul 12 15:15:38 rwhitby - I'm trying to figure out what my best bet is. I'm perfectly willing to jump up and down and be annoyed, to see if I can get replacement hardware... but (understandably, I think) don't want to do that if it's going to be the same problem again. Jul 12 15:16:08 Preware has no stability issues on any webOS version as far as I know. Jul 12 15:16:36 I have never experienced any Jul 12 15:18:51 rwhitby: you are having far too much fun with synergyfoss Jul 12 15:19:09 just watched your vid Jul 12 15:19:09 I still don't know enough about the underpinnings to be able to come up with a reasonable idea of where the problems might be, and I'd rather avoid mad flailing (since it seems like I've been flailing plenty already) Jul 12 15:20:02 rwhitby: now I want a vid with all of those devices running different gui's and such Jul 12 15:20:25 good morning - haeffb broadcasting live from the highway through freeTether. Jul 12 15:21:05 kde on the tp, gnome on pre2, lxde on veer and e on pixi Jul 12 15:21:30 haeffb: you've been missing all the cool x news Jul 12 15:21:32 oops, wrong channel. carry on. Jul 12 15:21:55 I've been seeing rod's tweets Jul 12 16:39:18 * cat-xeger pats pno on the back Jul 12 16:47:58 just saw this on precentral Jul 12 16:48:01 http://www.shopping.hp.com/accessories-store/touchpad?jumpid=in_r11694_webos_accessories_jun11_shopping-accessories-touchpad-touchstone Jul 12 16:48:16 coupon code: touchpad15 <== 15% off Jul 12 16:50:07 Nice Jul 12 16:50:16 How long is that good for? Jul 12 16:50:45 dunno Jul 12 16:50:56 but I'm canceling my amazon order and using this instead Jul 12 16:51:13 What's the estimated ship date? Or is it really "next day?" Jul 12 16:51:24 As in, I get it tomorrow or Thursday? Jul 12 17:07:52 dunno Jul 12 17:17:27 I've got big problems Jul 12 17:20:52 Woke up to my Sprint Pre 2 with a message sayng something about exchange activesync, a security issue and needing to creat a pin. The message locked my phone. I could not go into card view or access anything else... I have no hotmail or activesync accounts on my phone so I'm like what the hell... inputed a code, message went away, but now I have now accounts on my pre2. No emails, no calindars no sms or chat. ... restarted Jul 12 17:21:55 is it possible for me to go a few months with out needing to doctor? Jul 12 17:24:04 yeah Jul 12 17:42:39 kill_dano: do you have exchange? Jul 12 17:42:49 nope Jul 12 17:42:55 you have no exchange? wow Jul 12 17:42:58 thats cool. Jul 12 17:43:01 hah Jul 12 17:43:04 I don;t think so Jul 12 17:43:35 hopefully you keep good backups! Jul 12 17:43:46 meh no need Jul 12 17:44:11 everything is in the cloud but my games Jul 12 18:12:04 Woke up to my Sprint Pre 2 with a message sayng something about exchange activesync, a security issue and needing to creat a pin. The message locked my phone. I could not go into card view or access anything else... I have no hotmail or activesync accounts on my phone so I'm like what the hell... inputed a code, message went away, but now I have now accounts on my pre2. No emails, no calindars no sms or chat. ... restarted Jul 12 18:12:48 You're not hooked up to any Exchange servers, are you? Jul 12 18:54:53 anyone have a good tutorial on installing openssh? Jul 12 18:56:08 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OpenSSH_Install Jul 12 18:56:21 Funny, I was just doing that last night. Jul 12 18:56:32 how did it come out? Jul 12 18:57:18 It worked great until I f'd my configs and had to doctor again. Jul 12 18:58:06 ouch Jul 12 18:58:12 even ppp0? Jul 12 18:58:43 I only used eth0 Jul 12 18:58:45 Wifi Jul 12 18:58:58 thanks for the link Jul 12 19:03:21 Sure thing Jul 12 19:03:36 You can thank rwhitby for putting it there (or whomever wrote it if not him) Jul 12 19:11:42 does anyone know how to create ipks from .theme zips since prethemer is down? Jul 12 20:10:00 rwhitby and dtzWill: what kind of restructuring changes are you making to X? what is the over all plan? Jul 12 20:17:29 Freshly meta-doctored sprintified franken pre2 has an available webos update from 2.1.0 to 2.1.0 ? 7mb Jul 12 20:45:02 elpollodiablo1: mostly restructuring how we package x up Jul 12 20:45:22 elpollodiablo1: and our work on getting it wokring on the TP (As well as other devices) is in the x_restructure branch as well Jul 12 20:45:30 plan is to have X awesomeness best we can :) Jul 12 20:45:50 yeah I have been looking in x_restructure branch Jul 12 20:46:28 when's that xecutah/synergy stuff landing in preware? Jul 12 20:46:30 looks tasty Jul 12 20:46:56 alright wasnt sure if there was anything specific you were trying to do with restructuring it. Jul 12 20:47:52 I was familiar with v0.2 for X which was fairly simple in set up. Jul 12 20:48:51 elpollodiablo1: we're actually going back towards a very similar model Jul 12 20:49:11 elpollodiablo1: the x_restructure branch (specifically its naming) started when i was working to restructure our packging such that ever target app Jul 12 20:49:18 say a bare xserver package, an xterm package, etc Jul 12 20:49:23 were entirely self-contained Jul 12 20:49:35 such that they played nice with the jail, and potentially app-cat-suitable Jul 12 20:50:01 (the old structure had a special 'xlib' package the rest all knew about and looked there for the x libs and such) Jul 12 20:50:13 but accessing oother package's files isnt' very jail friendly Jul 12 20:50:23 new structure has the xserver and xlib packages from before combined Jul 12 20:50:27 such that the xserver _is_ standalone Jul 12 20:50:57 but since xterm for example needs root to run anyway (jail doesn't give us a tty), we just settled and the xterm package just looks for the libs in the xserver, to reduce copied files etc Jul 12 20:51:05 anyway so in short it's basicaly the same as before package-structure-wise Jul 12 20:51:09 xlib and xserve combined Jul 12 20:51:21 dtzWill: the screenshots are hella impressive Jul 12 20:51:21 oh and instead of launcher icons, xecutah drives it all Jul 12 20:51:49 alright so no root based X apps can be launched and ran once the Xserver is launched Jul 12 20:52:06 through excutah Jul 12 20:52:07 xecutah is a launcher of sorts (seems to be x-specific atm, not sure of overall plans) lets you run things as root Jul 12 20:52:13 Is anyone working on a terminal emulator for TouchPad? Jul 12 20:52:26 elpollodiablo1: nopers, the sever's root-ness is separate from the client's rootness Jul 12 20:52:36 you can run a root xterm on a non-privileged xserver Jul 12 20:52:49 AtomicPlayboy: the xterm in dtzWill's work is probably the one you really want Jul 12 20:52:51 well on a mobile device where such a thing is les security-painful or something Jul 12 20:53:20 AtomicPlayboy: http://twitpic.com/5ovklu Jul 12 20:53:25 AtomicPlayboy: yeppers, http://twitter.com/#!/wdtz/status/90622303548882945 Jul 12 20:53:26 oh alright Jul 12 20:53:51 we're also trying to make the whole x thing a bit ...cleaner Jul 12 20:53:57 the reason it never left testing feeds earlier Jul 12 20:54:14 was it just wasn't polished, and the packaging process was some nonsense i had scripted locally, etc Jul 12 20:54:21 just not the same caliber of goodness we'd want Jul 12 20:54:35 anyway hopefully the lands soon, it's comnig along great ^_^ Jul 12 20:55:05 Sweet, thanks. Jul 12 20:55:50 Is it going into homebrew or App Catalog? Jul 12 20:56:11 dtzWill: thanks for all the details, I will keep an eye on the changes you are making and maybe even dive and to see if there is anything I can help with. Jul 12 20:57:50 elpollodiablo1: sure thing, and will do :) Jul 12 20:58:00 AtomicPlayboy: homebrew, although x server i tthiiihnk could go into app cat Jul 12 20:58:12 I'm guessing it'd be its own emulator Jul 12 20:58:16 Err Jul 12 20:58:27 Not really an emulator considering the underlying OS Jul 12 20:58:58 lol having fun with synergy with all the webos devices? Jul 12 20:59:13 Here's a more immediate question: is there a good ssh client for webOS/TouchPad yet? Jul 12 20:59:19 Jack87: indeed ^.^ Jul 12 20:59:26 If I just want to ssh into other boxes from my TP, not necessarily the TP itself Jul 12 20:59:33 AtomicPlayboy: short answer is 'no', afaik Jul 12 20:59:49 AtomicPlayboy: however the xecutah/xterm/xserver stuff is pretty much ready i think for that kind of usage Jul 12 21:00:03 but few more details to work out, praticularly regarding packaging and making it available/usable/documented/etc Jul 12 21:00:40 In other words, if I install it now, expect system breakage at some point? Jul 12 21:00:44 Or is it moderately stable? Jul 12 21:01:08 AtomicPlayboy: the issue is how would you install it Jul 12 21:01:13 atm we all just build it ourselves, for example. Jul 12 21:01:21 and no it's plenty stable Jul 12 21:01:27 Ah Jul 12 21:01:35 issues are more along the lines of not supporting some of the keys on the keyboards, etc Jul 12 21:01:36 So it's not in a ready-for-install ipkg yet Jul 12 21:01:54 AtomicPlayboy: not in a publicly available manner, no. Jul 12 21:02:15 Gocha Jul 12 21:02:17 but sources are there for those that are interested, and that all works well :) Jul 12 21:02:35 Yeah I still don't trust my source-building skills Jul 12 21:03:04 AtomicPlayboy: this particular setup is a bit of a doozy, as far as these things go, heh >.< Jul 12 21:03:08 one of the things we're working on :) Jul 12 21:03:12 dtzWill, any idea of keyboard input without synergy yet Jul 12 21:03:13 I can see, by the looks of it Jul 12 21:03:38 Wonder what it would take to build a TTY/SSH client Jul 12 21:03:50 Something like PuTTY for webOS Jul 12 21:04:00 Jack87: idk why they couldn't get keyboard working Jul 12 21:04:03 worked great for me Jul 12 21:04:08 * AtomicPlayboy looks for money to throw at developers Jul 12 21:04:09 i was talking on xchat yesterday Jul 12 21:04:17 y'all saw it! :) Jul 12 21:04:49 (i was on as dtz, talking through xchat via synergy hehe) Jul 12 21:05:17 dtzWill, i mean OSK Jul 12 21:05:51 * Jack87 is loving the development history videos Jul 12 21:06:26 Jack87: oh the OSK works too, but misc keys don't work. Jul 12 21:06:33 just need to sit down and update the mappings, honestly. Jul 12 21:06:51 and haven't had a chance to set that up and make it happen yet Jul 12 21:07:06 oh cool. thats nothing, just time. can come after you have all the magic done Jul 12 21:07:27 if its some sort of simple set of text maybe i can help Jul 12 21:07:59 i can do tedious shit if its simple enough while you do real work :) Jul 12 21:09:01 Jack87: appreciated, only ther required debuggin information will require a special build and such, but if i get there and it's offload-able in the nature of the work, i'd love the help :) Jul 12 21:09:05 i'll let you know, :) Jul 12 21:09:35 keep me posted. and that goes for any other portion that you can pass off Jul 12 21:45:09 synergy on webos == http://i.imgur.com/9Hy0o.gif Jul 12 21:46:33 Lol. Jul 12 21:51:22 lol Jul 12 21:59:04 AtomicPlayboy: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OpenSSH_Install is an obsolete page, and has now been marked as such. Jul 12 21:59:18 Ah, okay Jul 12 21:59:44 You probably showed me already, but is there a new page for SSH? Jul 12 22:02:53 yes, I've put it at the top of that page. Jul 12 22:03:05 Ah, okay Jul 12 22:03:09 as with all packages, you read the HomePage link in the package description in Preware Jul 12 22:03:20 Gotcha Jul 12 22:13:34 as expected, the Synergy stuff went straight over the heads of the webOS blogs Jul 12 22:14:13 Pull it out of the air and smash it in their faces. Jul 12 22:36:29 nah, I'll wait until we put it in Preware. Jul 12 22:37:58 To get post-install scripts to execute on package install, do you have to package with WOSQI? Or does palm-install do the job? Sometimes when I package with WOSQI, I don't see a Luna restart happen on install. Jul 12 22:38:13 ^palm-package Jul 12 22:39:03 Error454: depends on how you package it up Jul 12 22:39:30 and Luna Restart is always done by the installer program, not by the package post-install script Jul 12 22:39:36 rwhitby: Is there a recommended method? I'm a little confused. Jul 12 22:39:56 rwhitby: Oh, so I should be installing via preware then? Jul 12 22:39:59 always use Preware to install packages is my recommendation Jul 12 22:40:10 that's probably what I have been missing Jul 12 22:40:33 but I personally just use palm-install for everything, and restart things as needed Jul 12 22:41:23 I keep asking this. anyone know? I have a freshly sprintified meta-doctored franken pre2. After the meta-doctor i ran updates and it wants to update webos 2.1.0 to 2.1.0 ? Jul 12 22:41:38 I tried packaging up Xecutah and am getting service permission errors when I start X server/term. Maybe I need to a restart Jul 12 22:44:09 did you use the Makefile to package it? Jul 12 22:44:20 nburn: yes, that is known Jul 12 22:45:02 rwhitby: not an issue? Jul 12 22:45:15 haven't heard of it being one Jul 12 22:45:19 rwhitby: just run the update and forget about it ? Jul 12 22:45:23 yep Jul 12 22:45:44 thanks Jul 12 22:47:26 rwhitby: I used Jason's utility, I didn't see the make package option in there before Jul 12 22:48:40 Let me try it that way Jul 12 22:51:33 Error454: In general, utilities from Jason are not comprehensive enough for the stuff from WebOS Internals Jul 12 22:52:10 (not through any fault of his - he does great stuff for 99% of the users) Jul 12 22:52:45 Xecutah is currently in the 1% for which the standard tools like the ones from Jason do not support Jul 12 22:53:07 rwhitby: That makes sense Jul 12 22:53:22 I was pretty excited to see the synergy stuff today Jul 12 22:53:46 Error454: are you going to be a user, or are you going to help with the development? Jul 12 22:54:20 rwhitby: I'll love to help with development Jul 12 22:55:00 Error454: when you have build.git, cross-compile.git and xecutah.git all building, drop me a line. Jul 12 22:55:18 what we need help on at the moment is key mapping files for Pre 2 and Pixi Jul 12 22:55:40 rwhitby: Ok, will do, I have a Pre2 so perhaps I can help out in that area Jul 12 22:58:12 I was syncing up my cross-compile environment last night and was coming up against some odd sound libraries that were missing. Is this from precorder? Jul 12 22:59:27 rwhitby: I can do pre2 Jul 12 23:01:04 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Xecutah is how to build. Expand the wiki page as you go. Once you've got to the end of that, then we'll welcome you to the development channel. Jul 12 23:04:50 rwhitby: what's the best dev environment? what do you use? Jul 12 23:05:00 I will return once victorious Jul 12 23:05:17 rwhitby: never mind. saw the wiki Jul 13 00:20:33 PatrickC and Error454: any luck with the building of the WIDK build.git cross-compile.git and xecutah.git? Jul 13 00:20:53 i've not finished setting up the widk yet Jul 13 00:21:27 Let me know if you get that to work, i was having a hard time Jul 13 00:21:40 im using the mac pdk toolchain now Jul 13 00:21:52 widk kept failing on nodejs build for me Jul 13 00:22:12 if you dont need node, move it to nonworking Jul 13 00:22:32 yeah i did that, then another package failed Jul 13 00:22:50 so i just wrote a script to setup my env in terminal to use the toolchain form the palm pdk Jul 13 00:25:13 PatrickC: I am still setting up WIDK still as well, are you running into errors or just the time it takes to build and download everything? Jul 13 00:25:25 takes time Jul 13 00:26:52 are you doing it using the PDK on linux or the scratchbox 2 way? Jul 13 00:28:01 sb2 Jul 13 00:35:44 etx`: in general, with the widk, you shouldn't "make stage" from the top level. Just build the things you need. Jul 13 00:36:04 rwhitby: ah ok thanks, i didn't know that Jul 13 00:36:33 how is Xecutah coming along? Jul 13 00:36:36 it's so large that something is always broken, but likely not the thing you need. Jul 13 00:36:49 the thought of running X on my touchpad is pretty awesome :) Jul 13 00:36:51 we need key mappings for Pre 2 and Pixi Jul 13 00:36:56 ah Jul 13 00:37:30 I'm working on a music id app right now, it's going to be pretty cool i think Jul 13 00:37:32 etx`: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Xecutah - you want to help? Jul 13 00:37:42 elpollodiablo1_: if you get stuck, give me a shout Jul 13 00:37:55 once I finish up this app and my boxee remote app yeah Jul 13 00:42:25 rwhitby: is it worth setting up in a vbox? Jul 13 00:42:55 if I set it up on the dualboot, I'll have to grow my partition.. and it'll be a while before I can do that Jul 13 00:43:21 PatrickC: whenever someone does that, they neglect to maintain it and it causes more hassle than it's worth. Jul 13 00:43:39 but if you're talking about your own personal VM, yes, that's what I do. Jul 13 00:43:40 by setting it up in a vbox? Jul 13 00:43:42 what kernel is 3.0 using? Jul 13 00:43:57 yeah, my own personal VM. Jul 13 00:44:06 yeah I just used ubuntu 11.04 on a virtualbox install Jul 13 00:44:24 PatrickC: define "worth" then? either you want to do it or not, right? Jul 13 00:44:35 I want to do it Jul 13 00:44:58 then how would it not be "worth doing" for you? Jul 13 00:45:20 I didn't know if it would be better to wait and do it on the dualboot Jul 13 00:45:27 or if the vbox would suffice Jul 13 00:45:41 do I need ssh between my host and the vbox set up? I saw that on the widk wiki as a suggestion.. Jul 13 00:58:18 I don't see why you would have to Jul 13 00:58:42 when i had a working widk I used it from the vmware window just fine Jul 13 01:03:17 ok. thx Jul 13 01:27:19 rwhitby: ping? Jul 13 01:27:31 hi Jul 13 01:27:38 Yeah, me again Jul 13 01:27:41 :P Jul 13 01:28:37 I followed the instructions from Application:OpenSSH. I'm in with root/key-auth and such, but I noticed after a power cycle that sshd doesn't appear to be running Jul 13 01:28:47 Does it need to be added to upstart? Jul 13 01:29:24 http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/optware/openssh/upstart/mobi.optware.openssh Jul 13 01:29:34 http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/optware/openssh/control/postinst adds it Jul 13 01:30:06 Got it. Jul 13 01:30:08 if you're on 1.4.5 and recently did updates on optware packages, you got bit by the cryptofs bug in 1.4.5. Jul 13 01:30:15 uninstall all optware packages, reboot, reinstall. Jul 13 01:30:16 No, this is my TouchPad. Jul 13 01:30:28 touchpad should work as-is. Jul 13 01:30:36 It works, but doesn't come up on reboot Jul 13 01:30:42 check /var/palm/event.d/ for mobi.optware.openssh Jul 13 01:30:43 Will the above links solve that? Jul 13 01:30:49 touchpad should work as-is. Jul 13 01:31:11 It's in there, yeah Jul 13 01:31:14 Hm Jul 13 01:31:24 Alright, I'll try rebooting and see what happens Jul 13 01:31:57 it's pretty hard to make that upstart script fail Jul 13 01:32:05 it only has three commands Jul 13 01:32:12 On another note: Interestingly, the TP has been a lot more stable since yesterday. No idea what was going on then. only one freeze/luna restart today. Jul 13 01:32:16 Heh Jul 13 01:33:07 the rng was merciful Jul 13 01:34:49 Yep Jul 13 01:34:51 Worked that time Jul 13 01:34:57 Guess I'm just stupid Jul 13 01:35:27 Once again, thanks for the info. Jul 13 01:43:12 rwhitby: I am getting an error with sb2-init, the wiki says to upgrade qemu. how is this done? Jul 13 01:44:23 Aha! Jul 13 01:44:43 FINALLY managed to catch a lockup-reboot in action Jul 13 01:45:40 elpollodiablo1_: are you using Ubuntu 11.04 x86 32-bit ? Jul 13 01:46:20 nope still on 9.10 Jul 13 01:48:30 would it be easier to update qemu or install ubuntu 11.04? Jul 13 01:48:43 http://pastebin.com/hSm89Y77 Last minute of /var/log/messages before crash. Jul 13 01:49:24 In case anyone finds that useful Jul 13 02:05:20 elpollodiablo1_: use 11.04, otherwise I won't be able to support you Jul 13 02:05:53 alright I just came to the conclusion is would be easier just to intsall a new 11.04 vm Jul 13 02:07:50 rwhitby: I am going to update the wiki because it still says to use ubuntu 9.10 Jul 13 02:08:04 please do Jul 13 02:15:39 elpollodiablo1_: please update the rest of the page to all be related to 11.04 too (e.g. dependencies) Jul 13 02:20:12 I will as I go throught the set up on 11.04. Jul 13 02:38:18 elpollodiablo1_: thanks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 13 02:59:56 2011