**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 13 02:59:57 2011
Jul 13 03:46:37 <PatrickC> how come tokens are no longer needed for frankenpre's?
Jul 13 04:10:18 <bikeman> preware is not uodated themes
Jul 13 04:10:53 <PatrickC> updating? or outdated?
Jul 13 04:11:36 <bikeman> stoped updating
Jul 13 04:11:46 <PatrickC> ah
Jul 13 04:12:02 <PatrickC> RavenII: I'm gonna franken pre!
Jul 13 04:12:32 <bikeman> I have preware v1.7.0
Jul 13 04:12:47 <PatrickC> no clue.. sorry
Jul 13 04:15:21 <bikeman> might try unnstalling and reinstallng t
Jul 13 04:18:06 <RavenII> PatrickC: I need a Plus...or 2....got one you wanna sell...for a decent price...of on the house/
Jul 13 04:18:07 <rwhitby> prethemer.com site has been broken
Jul 13 04:18:08 <RavenII> ?*
Jul 13 04:19:36 <PatrickC> RavenII: i've got a plus, but still use it.. srry.. and um about to use my 2 to make a frankenpre2
Jul 13 04:19:41 <summatusmentis> I need to get my hands on a Pre2 as well
Jul 13 04:20:14 <PatrickC> rwhitby: why do the franken doctors no longer need tokens? that's a nice touch.. j/w
Jul 13 04:21:00 <PatrickC> if I decide to sell my pre+ or spare 2, I'll come here first :)
Jul 13 04:43:44 <nburn> My voice dial icon in my launcher keeps moving back to the first launcher pager whenever I do a luna restart.
Jul 13 04:45:15 <PatrickC> nburn: that's a known bug (iirc?)
Jul 13 04:45:44 <nburn> yea? first time ive noticed. any workarounds?
Jul 13 04:46:15 <PatrickC> not sure.. it doesn't happen to me.. then again, I hide the voice dial icon :P
Jul 13 04:46:44 <nburn> are u editing the appinfo file to hide it ? or do you have another method ?
Jul 13 04:47:26 <PatrickC> there's a patch for it iirc
Jul 13 04:47:39 <PatrickC> but it just edits the appinfo I believe
Jul 13 04:49:26 <nburn> found it, luna restarting now .
Jul 13 04:53:18 <nburn> So what's the word on prethemer?
Jul 13 04:53:46 <PatrickC> I believe its down
Jul 13 04:54:15 <nburn> yea, that much is obvious ;)
Jul 13 04:54:36 <PatrickC> lol.. idk any more then that
Jul 13 05:08:44 <rwhitby> nburn: you should speak to prethemer.com
Jul 13 05:08:51 <rwhitby> no-one here is related to that site
Jul 13 05:09:13 <rwhitby> it's a third-party feed which is not enabled by default
Jul 13 05:45:45 <nburn> rwhitby: I understand that, I was simply asking because I thought there would be a high probability of someone knowing the answer here. And since I can't even access prethemer.com how would I ask "them". I guess I shouldn't assume this channel is "all things webos" phht
Jul 13 05:46:22 <rwhitby> nburn: it's about webOS internals, as the topic states.
Jul 13 05:47:07 <rwhitby> in general, your assumption of people knowing stuff would be valid
Jul 13 05:47:14 <rwhitby> prethemer.com is a special case.
Jul 13 05:47:20 <rwhitby> no-one here is involved in running it
Jul 13 05:47:26 <rwhitby> the people who do run it don't come here.
Jul 13 05:47:45 <rwhitby> for that reason, it is disabled by default.
Jul 13 05:48:13 <nburn> okay
Jul 13 05:51:51 <acydlord> it is either an sls, or a bmw z4 convertable
Jul 13 05:52:10 <acydlord> woops, wrong window
Jul 13 06:27:45 <hape> hi, one of our navit test scripts run crays and created 65000 files. As a result of that the file indexter tried to collect them all and filled up the idex db to 90%
Jul 13 06:28:27 <hape> Do anybody know if tehre is a way to clean the indexer database other then viting the doctor?
Jul 13 06:28:57 <hape> I deleted the files two days ago but the index db is still filed with the files.
Jul 13 07:27:41 <birel> Hello
Jul 13 13:09:07 <CorwynSMP> Hello all, just thought I would check this out......
Jul 13 13:09:11 <CorwynSMP> What is this all about?
Jul 13 13:09:42 <elpollodiablo1> rwhitby: is "make stage" part of the WIDK instructions required for building build.git or xecutah or any of the new X stuff?
Jul 13 13:10:00 <rwhitby> no
Jul 13 13:10:32 <rwhitby> in fact, please change the WIDK instructions.  You should "make setup" and then go into the package you want to build and "make stage" there, not at the top level.
Jul 13 13:11:32 <summatusmentis> CorwynSMP: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page
Jul 13 13:12:56 <CorwynSMP> Thankl you summatusmentis, I have been there
Jul 13 13:13:25 <summatusmentis> oh, ok, so then, this IRC channel is just associated with that
Jul 13 13:14:50 <CorwynSMP> How does all of this enhance my pre
Jul 13 13:15:05 <CorwynSMP> for exampopole "rooting" my pre
Jul 13 13:15:18 <CorwynSMP> I get the linux prompt?
Jul 13 13:15:24 <CorwynSMP> what does it do?
Jul 13 13:16:43 <rwhitby> CorwynSMP: what webOS device do you have?
Jul 13 13:17:20 <CorwynSMP> plam pre 2
Jul 13 13:17:36 <CorwynSMP> and as you know HP bought pre and sent us all a phone
Jul 13 13:17:49 <CorwynSMP> baaasically I am not impressed
Jul 13 13:18:03 <CorwynSMP> it is as far as I can see a 4th place play
Jul 13 13:18:21 <CorwynSMP> but I am open minded
Jul 13 13:18:34 <CorwynSMP> so I am looking around a bit more
Jul 13 13:19:46 <CorwynSMP> ssseeing what can be done with this device
Jul 13 13:20:07 <CorwynSMP> especially as we may are moving to this on our tablets
Jul 13 13:20:14 <CorwynSMP> if they ever come out
Jul 13 13:22:52 <rwhitby> I would suggest you look at the Preware Homebrew Documentation app in the app catalog. It will tell you all about Preware, Homebrew Applications, Patches, Themes and Custom Kernels.
Jul 13 13:46:04 <elpollodiablo1> rwhitby: isnt "make setup" part of the "make toolchain" for the WIDK?
Jul 13 13:54:13 <PatrickC> anyone made a frankenpre2?
Jul 13 13:54:23 <summatusmentis> all sorts of people have
Jul 13 13:54:27 <summatusmentis> why do you ask?
Jul 13 13:54:53 <PatrickC> I wonder if I should practice taken my plus apart first
Jul 13 13:55:05 <summatusmentis> it might be useful
Jul 13 13:55:10 <PatrickC> ok.
Jul 13 13:55:29 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: any luck finding a pre2?
Jul 13 13:55:45 <summatusmentis> when I was putting together 2 minuses, the first time I didn't really know what I was doing, and the little foam thing got stuck in the vibro-motor
Jul 13 13:55:51 <summatusmentis> I had to re-take it apart and fix it
Jul 13 13:55:57 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: meh, I haven't really been looking
Jul 13 13:56:05 <summatusmentis> but I maybe should, if I want to stay on sprint
Jul 13 13:56:08 <summatusmentis> I really want TTS
Jul 13 13:56:27 <PatrickC> I don't think the pre2 has tts
Jul 13 13:56:36 <summatusmentis> no, it doesn't
Jul 13 13:56:41 <PatrickC> :/
Jul 13 13:57:16 <PatrickC> I'm happy I have 2 pres to use..
Jul 13 13:58:14 <summatusmentis> as far as I can tell, the free pre2 program is over as well
Jul 13 14:18:32 <Tibfib> ~seen destinal
Jul 13 14:18:37 <infobot> destinal <~eduprey@12.145.226.124> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 13d 11h 21m 30s ago, saying: 'dwc-: oh but it has so much to say about it! :)'.
Jul 13 14:53:36 <PatrickC> who developed dr. battery?
Jul 13 14:57:59 <dwc-> probably the person who's name is shown in the credits
Jul 13 14:59:06 <PatrickC> dr. battery doesn't recognise when I have my charger plugged in..
Jul 13 15:49:07 <elpollodiablo1> any reason why palm-package would not work after I installed WIDK?
Jul 13 15:49:23 <halfhalo> not unless your overwrote something for it
Jul 13 15:50:16 <elpollodiablo1> what directory should palm-package live?
Jul 13 15:50:41 <halfhalo> no idea honestly
Jul 13 16:11:08 <elpollodiablo1> rwhitby: after installing WIDK, palm-package and I am guessing all other palm based programs dont seem to be installed. what directory shoul they live in and any reason why these would not be installed or could not be found?
Jul 13 18:30:20 <dwc-> elpollodiablo1: palm-package is not part of the WIDK. You need to install the SDK.
Jul 13 18:44:30 <elpollodiablo1> dwc: that makes sence I thought the WIDK included SDK files since it Downloads it and extracts stuff from me. Thanks for clarifying that
Jul 13 19:14:25 <dwc-> yea, it pulls the mac sdk to get some stuff out of it
Jul 13 20:26:58 <birel> If I am making a Sprint Pre 2, using a comm board from a Sprint Pre Plus, that has been upgraded to 2.1, do I still have to follow the software part of the how-to?
Jul 13 20:28:34 <PatrickC> no clue.. I'm gonna be making a Sprint Pre2 from a Sprint Pre soon
Jul 13 20:30:20 <birel> Never mind, now that I think about it, the pre 2 will need a sprint specific doctor, so the answer is yes
Jul 13 20:33:03 <birel> Also, is it unheard of, that when I upgraded my sprint pre plus to 2.1, everything works fine? I didn't clear my palm profile or anything, and everything worked from the beginning, including flash, all of my palm profile info and gps
Jul 13 20:33:54 <PatrickC> is the profile already 2.1?
Jul 13 20:45:17 <RagingMind> my local walmart still hasn't put out the touchpad display even though they have the touchpads in stock
Jul 13 20:47:04 <Loudergood> birel: PatrickC, the meta doctor has gotten even better, also don't be surprised if you get an update from 2.1.0 to 2.1.0
Jul 13 20:47:17 <Loudergood> just install it and move on
Jul 13 21:04:00 <PatrickC> Loudergood: I saw you don't have to do tokens anymore
Jul 13 21:05:28 <PatrickC> RagingMind: same with me. my Sam's club has 'em on display though
Jul 13 22:29:45 <rwhitby> elpollodiablo1: you need to install the Linux SDK too. Please add that to the wiki page.
Jul 13 23:12:06 <adarshaj> I am not sure if this is right place to ask this, but anyways, will take a chance.
Jul 13 23:12:39 <adarshaj> So all of sudden I discover that my pixi+ has stopped responding to touch screen. Any creative ideas to diagnose it or make my phone usable from keypad? I have novaterm access to it and run uber kernel(ofcourse phone is in dev mode).
Jul 13 23:15:38 <dwc-> rebooted already?
Jul 13 23:15:57 <PatrickC> doctor?
Jul 13 23:16:16 <NuttyBunny> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xjwf3a_asldkfjasldkfj_travel#from=embediframe
Jul 13 23:16:28 <NuttyBunny> wrong channel
Jul 13 23:21:42 <adarshaj> rebooted, but not yet hard reset, so doctor would help? I am not really sure, I can't find a logical reason why it would start working after doctor?
Jul 13 23:23:33 <NuttyBunny> adarshaj: neither here.  Battery pull didn't work, I assume. Did you (or anyone else) drop it? water on it?
Jul 13 23:24:36 <dwc-> oh yea, even a little rain makes the touchscreen unusable until it dries
Jul 13 23:25:02 <adarshaj> NuttyBunny: yeah, did that, its high humid climate here as of now, so it might have got some sweat on it..
Jul 13 23:25:56 <Error454> Has anyone already messed around with a dummy virtual keyboard driver that no-ops things like PDL_SetKeyboardState?
Jul 13 23:26:07 <NuttyBunny> adarshaj: mmm.. not good, move it to a fresh place,let it dry for a while, then try again. But any way you should think on replacing the screen :(  or go for warranty if you still have it
Jul 13 23:27:48 <Error454> rwhitby: I followed your xecutah wiki page last night, I'm ready to jump in
Jul 13 23:28:09 <rwhitby> Error454: so you have an xserver, xterm and xecutah running?
Jul 13 23:28:10 <adarshaj> Hmm, will wait for another day and let it dry completely before doctoring, I don't think its under warranty now, replacing touch screen would be my last resort, I am now thinking of writing some text based interface for the phone. ummm, lets see...
Jul 13 23:28:29 <Kaelic_> Anyone here extracted the diagnostic logs before? they're a blowfish encrypted file and key file
Jul 13 23:28:59 <rwhitby> Kaelic_: encrypted with palm's key - you can't get to it
Jul 13 23:29:34 <rwhitby> but you can see the source files of what it gathers, including all the personal information like wifi access points in those files
Jul 13 23:30:24 <Error454> rwhitby: No, not running. When I get home I'll look at what options there are for getting around the virtual keyboard which is currently preventing the xserver from starting
Jul 13 23:30:26 <dwc-> blowfish is symmetric... I assume the "key file" is an asymmetric encrypted session key that goes with the blowfish-encrypted file
Jul 13 23:30:43 <Kaelic_> Where abouts? I'm trying to read the debug log of the app catalogue on a touchpad, I've noticed in the java it's writing a log out
Jul 13 23:30:47 <rwhitby> Error454: virtual keyboard should not be preventing the xserver running
Jul 13 23:30:52 <Kaelic_> I want to see what country and locale it's reporting
Jul 13 23:31:16 <rwhitby> dwc-: as far as I can tell, the key is embedded in one of the Palm binaries
Jul 13 23:31:30 <Error454> rwhitby: It complains that the symbol for PDL_SetKeyboardState is not found. ldd shows that all libraries are visible so it seems I'm missing something.
Jul 13 23:31:43 <dwc-> the blowfish key? or the public half of an asymmetric key?
Jul 13 23:32:15 <rwhitby> I believe it's public/private, but haven't looked too closely
Jul 13 23:32:45 <dwc-> yea, ok, that sounds sane then
Jul 13 23:34:32 <Kaelic_> rwhitby: Were you saying that the logs before they're collected into the log tar are accessible? or am I misunderstanding?
Jul 13 23:34:57 <rwhitby> Kaelic_: correct. it just grabs existing files from your device
Jul 13 23:35:06 <rwhitby> you can see what it does in the collectlogs service code
Jul 13 23:36:19 <Kaelic_> thanks
Jul 13 23:42:49 <adarshaj> Just curious, can I (dis)connect call from within novaterm commandline?
Jul 13 23:44:47 <Kaelic_> rwhitby: I see where it's composing data about my device, but for example the App Catalogue app is writing to the DebugLogger which is calling a log function on the pmloglib library, it doesn't appear to do anything else with the lib so I presume the result of that log is dumped to a file somewhere. Looking at the collect logs app I don't see how I can trace back to that location (not
Jul 13 23:44:48 <Kaelic_> with a 5min glance any way :) )
Jul 13 23:45:24 <rwhitby> pmloglib goes to /var/log/messages
Jul 13 23:45:44 <rwhitby> collectlogs service, not app
Jul 13 23:46:07 <Kaelic_> that's what I meant, and you've pointed me precisely where I needed, thanks again
Jul 13 23:46:22 <rwhitby> look in /usr/palm/services/com.palm.service.collectlogs
Jul 13 23:46:45 <rwhitby> you will also see that they can send you an automated SMS to extract logs from your device at any time
Jul 13 23:48:19 <Kaelic_> hmm, obviously not on a Touchpad
Jul 13 23:48:39 <rwhitby> they can do it via the profile pubsub on the touchpad
Jul 13 23:50:06 <rwhitby> but since it reports most of the stuff every day anyway ...
Jul 13 23:51:38 <Kaelic_> Well that was a long shot, seems it's reporting my country as US and locale as en_GB when accessing the catalogue, whatever that can mean. My store shows only 1 app, do you happen to know if dev touchpads are locked out of the store for some reason or another?
Jul 13 23:52:08 <rwhitby> you should ask that question in the early access forum.
Jul 13 23:52:28 <Kaelic_> Yeah, but if you knew that would have been easier :p
Jul 13 23:52:39 <Kaelic_> Guess I'll do that then
Jul 13 23:52:40 <rwhitby> it would, but telling you here would break the NDA
Jul 14 00:00:01 <Kaelic_> Posted it, if you know the answer and would be so kind... :)
Jul 14 01:09:57 <RavenII> Could someone suggest a good primer for WebOS?...like shortcuts, how to hide things....etc?
Jul 14 01:12:38 <NuttyBunny> The little manual that came in the box, the gesture tutorial, and the help app ;)
Jul 14 01:12:50 <NuttyBunny> (The videos are nice)
Jul 14 01:12:57 <RavenII> The gesture tutorial takes me to the first time app....
Jul 14 01:13:03 <RavenII> tried that...
Jul 14 01:13:08 <RavenII> No manual...
Jul 14 01:13:12 <RavenII> help app?
Jul 14 01:13:12 <NuttyBunny> what webOS version?
Jul 14 01:13:27 <RavenII> 2.1
Jul 14 01:14:45 <RavenII> it would be cool to use the gesture tutorial app..
Jul 14 01:14:47 <NuttyBunny> Yep, there's a help app, isn't it? the one with an orange book on it? (my Pre is rebooting, I have to wait 9 painstaking minutes)
Jul 14 01:15:01 <NuttyBunny> Isn't it activated?
Jul 14 01:15:33 <RavenII> Yeah, but when I finish activating it just sits there with the spinning circle thing...I manually reboot and it just takes me back to it when I go to the gest app
Jul 14 01:16:25 <NuttyBunny> Ah, you used developer mode to skip the first activation, then activated it with the gesture tutorial?
Jul 14 01:16:33 <RavenII> Right...
Jul 14 01:17:14 <NuttyBunny> Well, the "right" way to do it is with a full erase, then login to your profile, I don't remember what gets changed when you do it properly, but it lets you use the gesture tutorial
Jul 14 01:23:33 <joem_> had to exchange my TP @ best buy today, cracked plastic around the speaker?
Jul 14 01:24:24 <rwhitby> joem_: second case of that I've heard
Jul 14 01:25:18 <joem_> fitted hp case coming in the mail
Jul 14 01:25:30 <joem_> i wouldn't be surprised if i cracked it while cleaning it
Jul 14 01:25:51 <joem_> the cloth maybe caught on the inside of the speaker or something, pulled it up
Jul 14 01:55:29 <johndoe2089432> Hello everyone, have a question, newbie here, I installed Preware using WebOS quick install, installed just fine but I search and can't find the Terminal application available in the repositories for installation.
Jul 14 01:56:21 <rwhitby> johndoe2089432: what webOS version?
Jul 14 01:58:07 <johndoe2089432> 1.4.5.1, Palm Pixi Plus
Jul 14 02:01:00 <rwhitby> johndoe2089432: give me 10 minutes
Jul 14 02:01:11 <johndoe2089432> k, thanks.
Jul 14 02:03:19 <RavenII> Ok...so now that that's done...I could use the gesture tutorial....
Jul 14 02:03:23 <RavenII> woo....hoo.
Jul 14 02:05:00 <rwhitby> ProTip: the latest webOS 1.x version is not 1.4.5 ....
Jul 14 02:05:51 <johndoe2089432> All of my searches for a palm pixi plus image have been 1.4.5.1.
Jul 14 02:06:18 <johndoe2089432> *for Verizon.
Jul 14 02:06:51 <rwhitby> that is correct.  I had a max webOS version set as 1.4.5 for Terminal
Jul 14 02:06:56 <rwhitby> which prevented you from seeing it
Jul 14 02:07:07 <rwhitby> since you have 1.4.5.1
Jul 14 02:07:40 <rwhitby> johndoe2089432: update your feeds now and you should see it
Jul 14 02:11:02 <johndoe2089432> Instlalled, thanks!
Jul 14 02:17:07 <DraX> so where do installed apps actually get installed?
Jul 14 02:17:38 <rwhitby> in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications
Jul 14 02:18:16 <DraX> am i going to guess by the cryptofs thing that i can't modify them?
Jul 14 02:20:23 <DraX> well i can look at the source
Jul 14 02:20:32 <DraX> so maybe i can modify it
Jul 14 02:20:37 <DraX> unless it's signed i gues
Jul 14 02:25:33 <rwhitby> DraX: you should watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdBXpZBMQmw
Jul 14 02:26:13 <rwhitby> DraX: what pointed you to #webos-internals ?  The same place should have answers to your questions.
Jul 14 02:26:53 <DraX> just pulled from memory..
Jul 14 02:46:52 <Error454> Whoever looked at the camera patch I submitted, can you tell me whether the data was garbled, whether the diff was in a bad format or whether my code was just garbage ;)
Jul 14 02:47:26 <rwhitby> Error454: what did running patch -n tell you when you tested it against the doctor rootfs files?
Jul 14 02:48:17 <Error454> rwhitby: I never ran patch -n, I just packaged up the mods and ran it on my device
Jul 14 02:49:00 <Error454> I diff'd against the stock camera app from the doctor's rootfs
Jul 14 02:49:10 <rwhitby> did you use diff -u on a linux machine to create the patch?
Jul 14 02:49:31 <Error454> I had to use diff from a windows machine, some cygwin git portable bash shell
Jul 14 02:49:53 <rwhitby> did you leave windows line endings in there?
Jul 14 02:50:46 <Error454> I didn't specifically strip them out.  I can re-run on my linux box with diff -Burn and strip out windows line endings
Jul 14 02:52:07 <rwhitby> Error454: did the denied message contain the output from the patch command?
Jul 14 02:54:02 <rwhitby> Error454: jhojho reports that the denial message should have the patch command output in it
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