**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 14 02:59:57 2011 Jul 14 04:04:09 rwhitby: I recreated the patch on my linux box and verified that it applies to the folder. Any way I can just send the file in and not fill in all those fields again? Jul 14 04:21:24 Error454: Can you do an update? Jul 14 04:23:29 rwhitby: I don't see the patch in the dropdown Jul 14 04:23:45 has it been accepted once? Jul 14 04:23:57 no Jul 14 04:24:13 you need to resubmit then. no easier way. Jul 14 04:24:57 rwhitby: ok, third time is a charm but might have severely spartan descriptions Jul 14 04:25:17 make sure it has a homepage link Jul 14 04:25:23 then update that place later Jul 14 04:26:19 alright Jul 14 04:37:19 precom/novacom get seems to have issues.. terminal works fine but get seems to print most of a file, get a packet it can't handle, and then go into an infi-loop trying to refetch the file.. Jul 14 04:37:28 i can give actual error codes if useful Jul 14 04:39:46 what is precom, and why aren't you just using the official SDK novacom? Jul 14 04:40:01 rwhitby: on freebsd Jul 14 04:40:19 http://git.webos-internals.org/tools/precom-progs/ Jul 14 04:40:21 and that's precom Jul 14 04:40:26 ah, ok. Jul 14 04:40:39 no-one has looked at that for months and months Jul 14 04:40:44 indeed :) Jul 14 04:41:03 it seems to work just fine for terminal on touchpad Jul 14 04:41:06 feel free to fix it, but don't expect anyone else to be in a position to help. Jul 14 04:41:59 and I doubt if get/put has had any testing at all Jul 14 04:42:23 let alone novacom protocol changing since then to support password access Jul 14 04:42:30 as a workaround for get/put you could try novacom with cat file and cat > file Jul 14 04:42:47 dwc-: yeah that works fine Jul 14 04:43:25 DraX: if you have any patches, we'll happily apply them. Jul 14 04:44:18 right now i'm just playing around Jul 14 05:45:24 hi all. question. using PDK, is it possible to interface with front-facing camera directly? If so, how about interfacing with external USB devices on webos 3.0? Specifically, I am interested in trying to communicate with an external USB GPS device to receive location information. This is on the HP TouchPad, which comes without an internal GPS. Jul 14 05:45:36 tia Jul 14 05:49:00 June4Katelynn! Jul 14 06:16:46 ej2: no host mode on USB Jul 14 06:33:53 anyone else seen an issue with bing maps where it thinks you are somewhere else? Jul 14 06:34:04 it claims im in russia sometimes. Jul 14 06:34:09 very odd Jul 14 06:35:37 hmm, errors applying hyper animation patch. wonder what's conflicting with it? Jul 14 06:45:33 yay! swank running on nodejs on touchpad connected to emacs on laptop Jul 14 06:45:41 NODE> process.version Jul 14 06:45:41 "v0.2.3" Jul 14 07:11:56 I played with the bing maps app at the store Jul 14 07:12:06 it seemed to do ok with the location Jul 14 07:12:36 kinda sadly, bing had no useful transit information for my area (which is around palm hq) Jul 14 07:12:48 dwc-: none for mine either, where google does. Jul 14 07:12:57 which makes bing maps a backwards step for me personally Jul 14 07:13:05 and of course, the desktop version of google maps is sort-of unusable without dragging Jul 14 07:13:23 and the mobile version of google maps told me to use the application that doesn't exist on the touchpad Jul 14 07:14:29 rwhitby: same here Jul 14 07:15:23 think I'll try and get the Pre 2 google maps app to run on the touchpad in full screen res Jul 14 07:17:09 is the pre2 gmaps apple palm or google developed? Jul 14 07:17:23 dunno Jul 14 07:20:30 not that the app is exactly a pleasant experience in usability, but it's better than nothing Jul 14 07:59:14 it is goog developed i think Jul 14 07:59:29 since it pulls info down from goog every time it's launched Jul 14 13:53:39 Sooo...I meta doctored my phone to 2.1...and now I'm left with 2GB internal? Jul 14 13:56:10 I really wish WebOS thrives...It's leaps and bounds ahead of Android aesthetically... Jul 14 13:56:31 One of those happy go lucky underdog wins kinda story.... Jul 14 13:56:39 It really seems like a nice OS. Jul 14 13:56:46 glad to hear it Jul 14 13:56:55 2GB..that's strange Jul 14 13:57:19 Yeah, pretty weird... Jul 14 13:58:41 I wonder if it's because of the MAKEFILE having the partitions setup the way it did.... Jul 14 13:58:48 did you resize any of them? Jul 14 13:59:07 in the makefile?... Jul 14 13:59:21 yeah you can change them to suit your needs Jul 14 13:59:26 nah, I left it alone...I asked in here but all I got was rwhitby telling me to make them all 64gbs... Jul 14 13:59:43 yeah he can be a smartass some times Jul 14 13:59:48 I've noticed. Jul 14 14:01:53 So I have to redo the file? Jul 14 14:02:29 I would suggest recreating it from scratch yes Jul 14 14:02:43 Damn it...maybe 7th time's a charm... Jul 14 14:02:48 ouch Jul 14 14:03:02 Yeah... Jul 14 14:03:05 tell me about it. Jul 14 14:03:34 shouldn't take you long now though ;) Jul 14 14:03:39 lots of practice Jul 14 14:03:59 Hahaha, I'm a pro at that now...and taking these things apart.... Jul 14 14:31:12 VAR_PARTITION_SIZE = 2GB SWAP_PARTITION_SIZE = 512MB EXT3FS_PARTITION_SIZE = 2GB Jul 14 14:31:34 Strange that it left me with...oh wait...no, that's right. Jul 14 14:31:49 2.5 -...no...no it's not right...I should have.... Jul 14 14:32:39 5.5 left....or so Jul 14 14:32:51 that's not a good sign Jul 14 14:33:08 That it took me that long to do the math?...or that I don't have the amount I should have? Jul 14 14:33:51 which partition are you changing? Jul 14 14:34:21 None, I left that part as is... Jul 14 14:34:37 But I still only have 2.3 available for internal... Jul 14 14:41:17 do you have a terminal installed? Jul 14 14:50:01 Loudergood: nah, I couldn't find it...and the one I could find didn't work... Jul 14 14:50:12 ah Jul 14 14:50:33 xterm in the preware testing feeds works well out of the box Jul 14 14:53:26 was going to say...if you were feeling brave you could use parted from the terminal Jul 14 16:11:18 so is tehre any documentation on how specifically to generated a patch for preware? Jul 14 16:12:32 I wonder if I got a 4GB pre... Jul 14 16:12:42 no that doesn't make sense either... Jul 14 16:12:44 hmm. Jul 14 16:13:32 RavenII, What did you do to it? Jul 14 16:15:03 NuttyBunny: remember...how I had to redo the meta file...to get it all registered and everything?... Jul 14 16:15:05 was that you? Jul 14 16:15:37 either way, I finally get everything up and running the way it should be...buttt...I only have 2.3GBs left for /media/internal... Jul 14 16:16:26 http://pastebin.com/vdj9DSBc Jul 14 16:16:29 ^ see Jul 14 16:16:46 I don't think it was me... let's see Jul 14 16:17:00 Oh, sorry Jul 14 16:17:45 you have 2Gb in optware Jul 14 16:18:17 I left the makefile by its default... Jul 14 16:18:39 i have a touchpad patch for the browser - looking for details on how to correctly generate the patch for upload. Jul 14 16:19:08 RavenII|w, weird.. that's meta doctor on a Pre- ? Jul 14 16:19:24 NuttyBunny: yeah... Jul 14 16:19:26 rwatkins: http://patches.webos-internals.org/ Jul 14 16:19:33 NuttyBunny: 2.1 Jul 14 16:19:43 I've never actually done it myself but that should be helpful Jul 14 16:20:18 Loudergood: yes, but generating the Patch? Jul 14 16:20:29 the actual file, not how to get it submitted. Jul 14 16:20:40 i assume unix diff, but the context .. etc Jul 14 16:20:53 ah true Jul 14 16:21:45 and nothing there links to an actual patch file, so I cant see that for reference either. Jul 14 16:22:54 RavenII|w, did you use any script to create it? Jul 14 16:24:02 yeah... Jul 14 16:24:06 one sec... Jul 14 16:24:15 I have to remote into my PC at home to tell you which one Jul 14 16:28:06 NuttyBunny: # Makefile for webOS Doctor modifications Jul 14 16:28:07 # Jul 14 16:28:07 # Copyright (C) 2009,2010 by Rod Whitby Jul 14 16:28:07 # Jul 14 16:28:07 # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify Jul 14 16:28:07 # it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by Jul 14 16:28:08 # the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or Jul 14 16:28:10 # (at your option) any later version. Jul 14 16:28:12 # Jul 14 16:28:14 # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, Jul 14 16:28:16 # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of Jul 14 16:28:18 # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU Jul 14 16:28:23 # General Public License for more details. Jul 14 16:28:25 # Jul 14 16:28:26 omg Jul 14 16:28:27 # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License Jul 14 16:28:28 # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software Jul 14 16:28:30 # Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA Jul 14 16:28:33 # Jul 14 16:28:35 ############################ Jul 14 16:28:36 ## START OF DOCUMENTATION ## Jul 14 16:28:38 ############################ Jul 14 16:28:41 # BYPASS_ACTIVATION removes the Palm activation process that normally Jul 14 16:28:42 # runs on the first boot of the device. This allows users to use the Jul 14 16:28:44 # device even if they do not have access to cellular connectivity or Jul 14 16:28:46 # would prefer not to go through the activation process. Only use this Jul 14 16:28:48 # if you are never going to use cellular connectivity on this device. Jul 14 16:28:52 # Bypassing activation may prevent you from creating a Palm profile. Jul 14 16:28:54 # This is not a method to use a device on a different cellular carrier. Jul 14 16:28:56 # Uncomment the corresponding line below to enable this feature. Jul 14 16:28:58 # BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP allows the device to start without running the Jul 14 16:29:00 # First Use application. This allows users to enable wifi service Jul 14 16:29:02 # first and use that for Palm profile creation and restoring of all Jul 14 16:29:04 # the profile data. Note that to create a Palm profile you may still Jul 14 16:29:06 # need to activate the cellular connection. This will also make the Jul 14 16:29:08 # First Use application visible in the launcher. Jul 14 16:29:10 # This is not a method to use a device on a different cellular carrier. Jul 14 16:29:12 # Uncomment the corresponding line below to enable this feature. Jul 14 16:29:15 # ENABLE_DEVELOPER_MODE puts the phone in Developer Mode. This allows Jul 14 16:29:16 # installation and testing of applications on the device without Jul 14 16:29:18 # needing to type the developer mode activation code. There are no Jul 14 16:29:23 # known security implications of leaving a phone in developer mode. Jul 14 16:29:24 # Uncomment the corresponding line below to enable this feature. Jul 14 16:29:26 # ENABLE_TESTING_FEEDS installs a flag file which tells Preware to Jul 14 16:29:28 # automatically install testing feeds for all WebOS Internals Jul 14 16:29:31 # packages. You must, of course, install Preware as well to use them. Jul 14 16:29:32 # Uncomment the corresponding line below to enable this feature. Jul 14 16:29:34 # INSTALL_SSH_AUTH_KEYS imports the SSH authorized_keys file from the Jul 14 16:29:36 # user's home directory to the device. The user can then connect to Jul 14 16:29:38 # the device from their computer as soon as an SSH daemon is Jul 14 16:29:40 # installed. You must already have a valid openssh authorized_keys Jul 14 16:29:43 # file in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys or in ./config/authorized_keys before Jul 14 16:29:44 # enabling this feature, or it will cause a fatal error. You then Jul 14 16:29:47 # need to install the OpenSSH SFTP Server application in Preware to Jul 14 16:29:48 # actually access the device using the openssh private key that matches Jul 14 16:29:52 # the openssh public key listed in your authorized_keys file. Jul 14 16:29:54 # Uncomment the corresponding line below to enable this feature. Jul 14 16:29:56 # INSTALL_WIFI_PROFILES imports a wifi preferences database file from Jul 14 16:29:58 # the user's home directory to the device. The device will then be Jul 14 16:30:00 # set up to use wifi immediately after the webOS Doctor has completed. Jul 14 16:30:03 # You must already have copied a correctly configured prefsDB.sl file Jul 14 16:30:04 # from the /var/preferences/com.palm.wifi/ directory on the device to Jul 14 16:30:07 # ~/.ssh/com.palm.wifi.prefsDB.sl or to ./config/com.palm.wifi.prefsDB.sl Jul 14 16:30:08 oh... oh god i think its the whole makefile Jul 14 16:30:09 # on your host machine before enabling this feature, or it will cause a Jul 14 16:30:10 # fatal error. Jul 14 16:30:12 # Uncomment the corresponding line below to enable this feature. Jul 14 16:30:14 # AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE automatically queues the installation of Jul 14 16:30:16 # Preware as soon as a network connection is available after first Jul 14 16:30:19 # boot. This feature also installs the preware.org x509 Certification Jul 14 16:30:22 # Authority certificate, allowing packages signed by WebOS Internals Jul 14 16:30:24 # to be installed via the appInstallService installHistory database. Jul 14 16:30:26 # Uncomment the corresponding line below to enable this feature. Jul 14 16:30:28 # Note that this feature is not 100% reliable. Use with caution. Jul 14 16:30:30 # DISABLE_UPLOAD_DAEMON disables a background process that Jul 14 16:30:32 # automatically uploads usage information to Palm on a daily basis. Jul 14 16:30:34 # It uploads debug information related to operating system or Jul 14 16:30:36 # application crashes, users' GPS information, along with data on Jul 14 16:30:38 # every application used, and for how long it was used. You may wish Jul 14 16:30:41 # to disable this on privacy grounds, or if you do not have an Jul 14 16:30:43 # unlimited data plan and will be paying exorbitant data charges. Jul 14 16:30:44 # Uncomment the corresponding line below to enable this feature. Jul 14 16:30:46 # DISABLE_UPDATE_DAEMON disables the Palm Over The Air update daemon. Jul 14 16:30:49 # Uncomment the corresponding line below to enable this feature. Jul 14 16:30:52 # DISABLE_MODEM_UPDATE prevents the device from reflashing the modem Jul 14 16:30:54 # software. This saves some time during the webOS Doctor process. Jul 14 16:30:57 # Uncomment the corresponding line below to enable this feature. Jul 14 16:30:58 # ENABLE_USB_NETWORKING activates USB networking functionality. The Jul 14 16:31:00 # device can then be accessed via USB networking (usbnet drivers are Jul 14 16:31:02 # required on the host). This is not a tethering mechanism. Jul 14 16:31:04 # Uncomment the corresponding line below to enable this feature. Jul 14 16:31:05 well, that is what /ignore was made for :D Jul 14 16:31:06 # REMOVE_CARRIER_CHECK prevents the webOS Doctor from verifying that Jul 14 16:31:08 # it is installing a software version from the same provider through Jul 14 16:31:10 # which the device was distributed. It also removes any and all Jul 14 16:31:13 # carrier-specific applications and features. The webOS Doctor can Jul 14 16:31:14 # then be used to update the core software using a release from a Jul 14 16:31:16 # different provider (excluding any provider-specific functionality). Jul 14 16:31:17 it will go on FOREVER Jul 14 16:31:18 # This is likely to break access to the App Catalog and Updates apps. Jul 14 16:31:22 # This is not a method to use a device on a different cellular carrier. Jul 14 16:31:29 Wow.... Jul 14 16:31:40 How does one fail so bad...? Jul 14 16:32:25 http://pastebin.com/4ntEr65p Jul 14 16:33:08 that's the script I used. Jul 14 16:34:53 http://pastebin.com/kYH5KwSY Jul 14 16:35:07 that's the makefile...RavenII decided he'd post in here.... Jul 14 16:35:19 That bastard. Jul 14 16:44:24 honestly surprised that the server didn't kick him for flooding Jul 14 16:46:16 RavenII|w: You have 2Gb for var and 2Gb for opt, that's the reason you have less than 4Gb of space :P Jul 14 17:06:46 Loudergood: I know right?... Jul 14 17:06:52 I wonder why I didn't get kicked... Jul 14 17:07:01 NuttyBunny: isn't this thing 8GB? Jul 14 17:08:53 RavenII|w, yep, how much does it says you have free? Jul 14 17:09:15 Total size is 2.3 Jul 14 17:11:25 2.3+2+2=6.3, add 500 for the root filesystem, 140 for mojodb, 127 for filecache, 23 for logs and you have about... 7Gb Jul 14 17:11:39 maybe you still have some free space over there Jul 14 17:11:48 RavenII|w: what phone is it again? Jul 14 17:11:52 Pre- Jul 14 17:12:19 yeah 8GB Jul 14 17:15:55 RavenII|w: Do a lvm.static vgdisplay (in novaterm) Jul 14 17:17:36 http://pastebin.com/R9F7aUcn Jul 14 17:20:55 yep, seems about right. The problem is, if you used the defaults, that var and opt are getting 2Gb each one, and they shouldn't Jul 14 17:20:56 Soo stock the Pre only has 64+100mb's for /var... Jul 14 17:21:22 Gotcha...384 for /var is probably going to be more than enough for me... Jul 14 17:21:29 and hell, opt I probably dont' need anything. Jul 14 17:21:37 well....maybe 384 for that too... Jul 14 17:21:39 just incase... Jul 14 17:22:08 If you don't create a dedicated opt partition, the optware bootstrap creates a file in /media/cryptofs Jul 14 17:22:27 What's the diff?... Jul 14 17:22:42 oh....dedicated (faster?) partition... Jul 14 17:22:44 i see. Jul 14 17:22:46 speed when using a dedicated partition :) Jul 14 17:22:52 the other one is encrypted Jul 14 17:22:56 Gotcha... Jul 14 17:24:27 Ok...I think I'm going to do....512 for opt and var...and 256 for swap...it's my understanding (from my Nokia 770 days) that swap shouldn't be that big anyhow... Jul 14 17:24:31 but...what do I know... Jul 14 17:24:37 so....512 all across the board. Jul 14 18:06:16 Ok, I finally get it...it's 8GB shared across the board...it's not just 8GB dedicated for internal, it's shared with everything... Jul 14 18:08:55 RavenII|w: Yep, that's it Jul 14 18:09:36 Gotcha... Jul 14 18:09:45 okk...that makes more sense now Jul 14 18:13:13 Hi Jul 14 18:14:47 <[dtz]> wow, they still haven't released source for the touchpad? :( Jul 14 18:17:49 hm, rwatkins left Jul 14 18:18:37 hmmm Jul 14 18:18:48 Preware 1.7 doesn't show any available apps on my Pre+ Jul 14 18:20:00 hah Jul 14 18:20:02 I wasnt online Jul 14 18:20:03 d'oh Jul 14 18:23:45 that'll do it Jul 14 18:24:24 OOH!...I just realized I have a bag of Rainier Cherries! Jul 14 18:24:27 I'm so happy right now. Jul 14 18:37:59 Would you guys say that 256MB is enough for swap? Jul 14 18:38:00 or more than enough? Jul 14 18:38:17 more than enough Jul 14 18:38:23 Pre- has about 120Mb of swap Jul 14 18:38:43 Doesn't need to be bigger than 256 then right? Jul 14 18:46:35 You know what I found weird...after all that wiping, moving from 1.4.5 to 2.1 and reflashing...etc etc...somehow, the profile I created in Govnah was still there... Jul 14 18:46:46 I didn't think that stuff is backed up.... Jul 14 18:54:52 hmm.. has anyone tried backing up the /var/file-cache/email dir and restoring it? Jul 14 18:57:29 and is /var/palm/backup the profile backups? Jul 14 19:03:14 funny, I was just asking something similar... Jul 14 19:03:25 really? Jul 14 19:03:35 RavenII|w: did what I said earlier work? Jul 14 19:03:46 Forrr...... Jul 14 19:03:55 man... /tmp is full of goodies :) Jul 14 19:04:01 bypassing activation Jul 14 19:04:12 Oh...yeah Jul 14 19:04:25 cool Jul 14 19:04:28 "Backup of LunaSysMgr files for launcher, quicklaunch, dockmode and sysmgr cookies" Jul 14 19:04:49 I think /var/palm/backup might be offline palm profile? Jul 14 19:04:57 I'm actually trying to decide my partition sizes, and trying to figure out how Govnah still had my Profile that I created, even though I wiped, switched between 1.4.5 and 2.1 Jul 14 19:05:23 did you restore your usb? I think that has something to do with i Jul 14 19:05:29 not 100% sure though Jul 14 19:05:32 usb? Jul 14 19:05:41 drive Jul 14 19:05:47 Oh...no not at all Jul 14 19:05:49 /media/internal Jul 14 19:05:52 hmm.. Jul 14 19:06:01 but I don't know if it necessarily wiped it either... Jul 14 19:06:01 it might not have wiped the usb drive Jul 14 19:06:04 Right... Jul 14 19:06:07 it doesn't always wipe mine Jul 14 19:06:16 try uninstalling Govnah, and reinstalling Jul 14 19:08:52 I'm about to reflash again anyhow... Jul 14 19:09:36 Does anyone else get Connection Refused when trying to SSH to their webOS device? After I reinstall OpenSSH and reboot my PC, I always get Connection Refused. Does anyone have any ideas why? (I've followed the instuctions on the webos-interals wiki.) Jul 14 19:25:57 Any word on terminal for TouchPad? Jul 14 19:26:34 stay tuned. Jul 14 19:27:50 Roger. :( Jul 14 19:35:32 Hi, anyone happen to know of a solution to Pre 2 always thinking I'm roaming? Jul 14 19:36:03 Tried googling but I couldn't find anything more than "yeah it just says that" type of answers and no actual solution Jul 14 19:38:14 CDMA? Jul 14 19:42:33 Man, I reallly like this OS...why didn't I give it a chance before?... Jul 14 19:43:11 because it doesn't have Apple's "SHINY!" Jul 14 19:43:26 or android's "WE'RE NOT APPLE, BUT STILL KINDA SHINY" Jul 14 19:43:53 Android isn't shiny for shit...actually in comparison...this looks and feel a LOT more refined... Jul 14 19:44:50 this, to me, feels like what would be if Android and Apple's Mobile OS (I refuse to call it iOS since that's Cisco's OS) were to have a baby. Jul 14 19:45:52 and yet neither of them has cards Jul 14 19:45:59 which feels like the trump card Jul 14 19:46:07 winphone does Jul 14 19:46:11 ish Jul 14 19:46:17 The cards thing...haha, I'm still trying to get used to not closing them everytime... Jul 14 19:46:22 force of habit... Jul 14 19:47:06 Ok, so I decided 660MB for /var, 256 for Swap and 384 for opt Jul 14 19:47:08 RavenII|w: that's exactly why I use webos, shiny/polished, but still awesomely hack-able Jul 14 19:47:15 Right... Jul 14 19:47:24 also, you know, multi-tasking Jul 14 19:47:27 man, I just wish it would come out on more device... Jul 14 19:47:33 multi what?... Jul 14 19:47:46 what is that...(I'm being sarcastic...) Jul 14 19:47:55 devices* Jul 14 19:48:18 :) Jul 14 19:49:37 Loudergood: GSM Jul 14 19:49:51 no prl for you then... Jul 14 19:53:57 Loudergood: no what? :D Jul 14 20:11:58 Oh neat, more than one terminal app available Jul 14 20:12:15 Last time I used webos (which was like ageees ago) there wasn't any that would function besides the very very basics Jul 14 20:12:23 Now to figure out which of these is the one which works best :P Jul 14 20:12:31 I use XTerm Jul 14 20:12:37 you have webOS 2.x or 1.x? Jul 14 20:13:17 2.1.0 Jul 14 20:13:33 XTerm runs on install Jul 14 20:13:37 Terminal doesnt Jul 14 20:13:50 and Terminus needs a fix to run, easy to do, but needs to be done Jul 14 20:15:03 I seem to be missing some feeds, I assume this should be available via Preware? Jul 14 20:15:27 I believe that Xterm is in the testing feeds.. 1 second.. Jul 14 20:15:32 ~testing-feed Jul 14 20:15:32 it has been said that testing-feed is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Jul 14 20:15:38 there you go :) Jul 14 20:15:47 Cheers, I'll give it a spin Jul 14 20:16:13 have fun, and make sure you read and understand the risks of running testing software Jul 14 20:16:34 If stuff goes boom I still have my iPhone ;) Jul 14 20:17:05 eww.. iphone lol Jul 14 20:17:09 Hehe Jul 14 20:17:42 * PatrickC <3 's his pre's Jul 14 20:23:34 oh wow, actual xterm :D Jul 14 20:23:52 the last thing I remember about terminals on webos was some guy trying to emulate it using Mojo Jul 14 20:24:01 Come a bit further than that since I guess... =) Jul 14 20:24:29 the Mojo doesnt work with 2.1 iirc Jul 14 20:43:05 I can't just leave well enough alone Jul 14 20:43:12 Now my phone won't boot...damn it... Jul 14 20:43:14 haha Jul 14 20:44:22 RavenII|w: Welcome to the work of borked Doctors and semi dead devices ;) Jul 14 20:44:50 This is going to be fun isn't it? Jul 14 21:00:15 All this talk about doctors gets a whole new perspective to it when you've watched Dr. Who Jul 14 21:00:19 =) Jul 14 21:07:10 hate to ask this, but has anyone been seeing Google calendar sync issues with 2.0.1? Jul 14 21:11:37 rwhitby: it is possible to get at the palm mobile google maps if you do http://maps.google.com/?v=palm though the UI it self doesn't seem to work at least on the touchpad Jul 14 21:43:59 * H_spectra grumbles "Now web doctor doesn't even like my phone Jul 14 21:47:27 <[dtz]> H_spectra: only version i haven't seen sync issues on (yet? :/) is 3.0 Jul 14 21:48:37 great ... i got it to work for a half hour after a fresh doctor, but then as soon as i added 3 patches it broke again ... now my computer doesn't even want to doctor the phone again Jul 14 21:50:52 Ok...soooo...what...oh...nevermind I think I answered my own question. Jul 14 21:51:11 cool Jul 14 22:02:53 I don't get this...I can't flash my phone...when I run the metadoctor it shows the USB symbol, then back to tux almost right away.. Jul 14 22:13:31 Just tried a different USB Cable...still nothing... Jul 14 22:20:43 Weird...now it's working. Jul 14 22:21:18 what is? Jul 14 22:28:00 The 1.4.5 sprint image actually flashes....the metadoc one doesn't...it's wried Jul 14 22:28:02 weird too Jul 14 22:28:30 ahh ... haven't messed with meta yet Jul 14 22:55:17 RavenII|w: I hope you are running the doctors on the command line so you an actually see the errors, and not flying blind by double clicking them to run. Jul 14 22:56:44 rwhitby: that would be me flying blind Jul 14 23:21:00 okay, running a verizon pre 2 with 2.0.1 ... from a fresh doctor i can sync my calendar fine, but then as soon as i turn on developer mode and install preware (and nothing else) my phone looses the ability to send calendar data to google ... anyone else seen this? Jul 14 23:32:19 how about doctor it, sync your calendar, don't install anything else, wait an hour, and see if you still see the sync issue Jul 14 23:35:09 rwhitby: can I ask what the outstanding issues are on Xecutah/xterm stuff? Jul 14 23:35:21 keyboard mappings Jul 14 23:35:33 as in, completely non-functional? Jul 14 23:35:40 or just missing some things Jul 14 23:35:41 no, as in needs tweaking Jul 14 23:35:57 interesting, are those documented somewhere specifically? Jul 14 23:36:12 no Jul 14 23:36:21 hrm Jul 14 23:36:23 we're in "build it yourself" alpha phase right now Jul 14 23:36:50 once you've proved you can build it yourself, you join the dicussion about bugs and how to fix them. Jul 14 23:36:56 oh, ok Jul 14 23:37:14 I expect us to get to "here's the binary alpha phase" today Jul 14 23:37:34 and hopefully into testing feeds over the weekend Jul 14 23:38:17 ah, so pretty close then. I was gonna see if I could spend some spare time over the next week couple weeks to help move the process along, but maybe that's not useful Jul 14 23:41:38 are there planned steps after that, that I could be more useful on? Jul 14 23:43:02 at this point you need to be able to build it to help Jul 14 23:43:10 right Jul 14 23:43:16 there will be full keyboard mapping testing needed Jul 14 23:44:37 ok, I'll see if I can get the build stuff up tonight or tomorrow sometime Jul 15 00:26:30 ooh app catalog update Jul 15 01:40:30 So...I figured out that it didn't like the 660MB partition... Jul 15 01:52:30 RavenII: what do you want to achieve with these partitions? Jul 15 01:55:12 World domination... Jul 15 02:04:43 evening folks Jul 15 02:07:50 So- after waiting two weeks after 2.1 was supposed to push the the pre 2, I am getting impatient and am about to MD it. Having MD 2.1 on my pre+ and 2.0.1 on my 2 is aggravating. Thoughts??? Jul 15 02:09:51 go for it Jul 15 02:10:29 I have 2.1 on my Pre- and I rike it... Jul 15 02:12:08 RavenII: you'll need 64GB partitions for world domination Jul 15 02:12:24 Damn it man... Jul 15 02:13:40 I have 2.1 on my + and I like it, I am wondering tho if anyone has heard if the update is coming in the next few days, or "in the coming months" Jul 15 02:14:16 ^^^ for the pre 2 obvoiusly Jul 15 02:14:32 obviously... Jul 15 02:27:14 Is there a way of searching/downloading webOS apps online? Jul 15 02:27:17 from my computer? Jul 15 02:27:23 So... Has anyone has heard if 2.1 is coming to the Pre 2 on verizon in the next few days? Jul 15 02:27:39 I can't download my bible app... Jul 15 02:27:47 @RavenII - Precentral.net Jul 15 02:27:55 Tried...my login isn't working... Jul 15 02:28:01 futher mucker.... Jul 15 02:28:27 @RavenII - Make a new one. Jul 15 02:28:45 Yeah, I know.... Jul 15 02:28:47 I'm going to.. Jul 15 02:28:50 which bible app? Jul 15 02:29:00 webosroundup...? Jul 15 02:29:04 Youverson Jul 15 02:29:07 version.... Jul 15 02:29:11 have you tried ^^ Jul 15 02:29:14 alright, I have to get out of here... Jul 15 02:29:21 not yet, I will though, thanks. Jul 15 02:29:57 simple bible is better Jul 15 02:33:12 Does anyone know if building binaries and statically linking the libs makes the code run a lot slower? Jul 15 02:33:23 like, 4 times slower? Jul 15 02:33:50 my binary went from 100k dynamically linked, completed its op in 2 sec Jul 15 02:34:07 now the static build is 1.1m and it takes 8 seconds to complete the same task :( Jul 15 02:38:57 etx' more info? what language, what app? Jul 15 02:47:05 etx` - when you link statically, you've increased the size by every library that you pull in Jul 15 02:47:17 ... so yeah, the binary is bound to be larger. Jul 15 02:47:19 cat-xeger: yeah I know Jul 15 02:47:25 yeah i get that Jul 15 02:47:28 As far as performance goes, it'll depend on what/how you linked Jul 15 02:47:38 Sometimes static binaries are faster, sometimes not. Jul 15 02:47:39 but I didn't think it would kill my execution time like that Jul 15 02:47:55 it's just sox Jul 15 02:48:06 etx` - You'd have to go into what you were compiling, what language, how, yada... Jul 15 02:48:13 it's all just c Jul 15 02:48:19 sox to convert some wav files Jul 15 02:48:52 a 30 second wav file takes 2 seconds to resample from 16000 to 11025 with the dynamically linked binary Jul 15 02:49:09 etx' is there any way to have the old stuff flush out the back end? Jul 15 02:49:09 and with the static binary it takes 8 seconds to process Jul 15 02:49:11 crazy Jul 15 02:49:21 Have you considered that the dynamic binary may be doing hardware offloading? Jul 15 02:49:29 ... while the static isn't? Jul 15 02:49:35 keeping the library under a certain size Jul 15 02:49:40 no, because I'm a freakin noob ;) Jul 15 02:50:01 Hey... you're the one who grouched at me about the size thing :P Jul 15 02:50:04 * cat-xeger *grins* Jul 15 02:50:05 well I just tried -O2 and the binary is down to ~600k from 1.1 megs Jul 15 02:50:10 heheh Jul 15 02:50:26 yeah I just didn't realize it would make that large of a difference :) Jul 15 02:50:33 Okay... so what flags are you using... Jul 15 02:51:01 ./configure --host=arm --prefix=/opt/PalmPDK/ --target=arm-none-linux-gnueabi CFLAGS="-mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfpu=neon -Os" LDFLAGS="-L/opt/PalmPDK/device/lib" --enable-static=yes --disable-shared --without-lpc10 --without-oss Jul 15 02:51:36 crap i should strip it too Jul 15 02:51:57 when i build it fails linking for some reason Jul 15 02:52:09 Y'know... that should be considered a hint... Jul 15 02:52:29 so I made a static lib by hand for the dependancy in the source (libgsm) with ar then linked it myself Jul 15 02:52:40 it probably should be, buy like I said I'm a noob Jul 15 02:53:18 it's actually pretty embarrassing, i've been using linux for about 16 years and I don't know more C than I do :( Jul 15 02:53:47 Eh. That's one of my grouses about kids these days... you can do so many things and not know a damn'd thing about the underpinnings... Jul 15 02:54:14 yeah, they should be working with z80 assembler like I had to ... Jul 15 02:54:28 heh, yeah I strive to figure everything out but my time is spread too thin Jul 15 02:54:55 Hey I'm 31 now I don't think I'm a kid anymore, but I'll take it ;) Jul 15 02:56:28 * cat-xeger laughs Jul 15 02:56:33 * cat-xeger turns 23, routinely Jul 15 02:57:08 etx' me too. not a kid and too thin time. I've been around linux since 95 and I'm 50+...and my C isn't that good. Jul 15 02:57:36 52 OK 52 damit Jul 15 02:57:42 hehehhehe Jul 15 02:58:01 Heh. Jul 15 02:58:28 I need to know less Objective C and more C++ heh Jul 15 02:58:46 freakin xcode hides everything Jul 15 02:59:01 I have been busy learning VB and java and C#... Jul 15 02:59:04 C++ won't help you any there. Jul 15 02:59:08 hrmm, strip gets me down to 532kb Jul 15 02:59:17 ... it's all abstractions and subclasses and redirections. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 15 02:59:57 2011