**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 15 02:59:57 2011 Jul 15 03:00:20 yeah, I'm used to oop so I'd just like to get a bit better with it Jul 15 03:00:50 im just a guy with a compiler :) Jul 15 03:01:06 (and no shift key :P) Jul 15 03:01:17 and I don't know how to use it! ;) Jul 15 03:01:32 The shift key? Yargh! Jul 15 03:01:46 Anyhow ... why are you doing static linking, anyhow? Jul 15 03:01:50 Oh, This shift key? Jul 15 03:01:51 redundantly Jul 15 03:02:04 because i'm being lazy Jul 15 03:02:19 * cat-xeger bites back a snarky comment about the lazy mans load Jul 15 03:02:54 where I should be building one plugin for this app, I've setup a basic plugin that calls out to sox to convert this wav file for me Jul 15 03:03:35 And I saw Ben said on the forum that the LD_LIBRARY_PATH is set to the app root folder when it's launched Jul 15 03:04:13 So I should be able to use the dynamic libs, but when I call out to sox with popen() sox cannot load the lib Jul 15 03:04:23 I thought that had more to do with chrooting things Jul 15 03:04:35 I'm not sure Jul 15 03:05:04 At this point, I'm going to get the basics laid down then go back and fix my bad shortcuts Jul 15 03:05:23 build one proper plugin Jul 15 03:05:49 * cat-xeger notes that craptastic hacks done in the early stages have a nasty habit of staying forever Jul 15 03:06:02 ... since it's always a pain to go back and fix them, and there are other things to do Jul 15 03:06:15 my pre2 and my touchpad both resample this 30 seconds wav at almost 8 sec, crazy Jul 15 03:06:27 oh I know Jul 15 03:06:46 I have 6 apps I've started, and 0 i've finished Jul 15 03:06:56 ext` - at least they're consistent. Jul 15 03:07:05 lol cat Jul 15 03:07:26 so I'd like to get the whole flow done, maybe ill get excited to finish it proper Jul 15 03:07:40 I have 3 apps started and 8 themes. two themes are posted. no apps ready yet Jul 15 03:07:49 Yeah, it's the most consistent thing i've seen out of hp in a while ;) Jul 15 03:08:54 ... so you're saying that hp is consistently inconsistent... Jul 15 03:09:10 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=16020&view=previous looks to answer your question, btb Jul 15 03:10:25 ... with https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=7944 as an adjunct Jul 15 03:11:09 yeah I saw that a few days ago Jul 15 03:11:36 it wasn't working for me, I think it's because i'm using popen() to call sox Jul 15 03:11:41 etx` - so the summary seems to be "setup your package with the dynamic libs you need to link to, and then you'll have them handy to reference them" Jul 15 03:11:46 Are you doing that? Jul 15 03:12:07 yep yep Jul 15 03:12:32 it didn't work for me and I didn't spend a ton of time investigating it Jul 15 03:12:48 but I will soon Jul 15 03:12:49 * cat-xeger *sighs* Jul 15 03:13:00 that's clearly the better way Jul 15 03:13:18 That sounds remarkably like spending extra time and work trying to work your way into different problems instead of sorting out the first one... Jul 15 03:13:57 ... but maybe I'm just grouchy from spending the last day-or-so cursing the person who designed inconsistent data formats into what I was working with. Jul 15 03:14:00 Yep, it is for sure Jul 15 03:14:05 I used "designed" loosely. Jul 15 03:14:11 heh Jul 15 03:15:19 fwiw, my list includes "see how implausible it would be to get calibre working for webos" Jul 15 03:15:32 ... presuming that hasn't been done yet (I haven't done much of a search) Jul 15 03:16:03 oooh that'd be cool Jul 15 03:16:17 If it has, I haven't seen it Jul 15 03:16:44 Heh. I haven't either, but it was a cursory search. Jul 15 03:16:49 ... copious spare time, and all that. Jul 15 03:17:26 what's up? Jul 15 03:18:00 Just saying that the thing on my project list is either finding a port of calibre to webos, or seeing how feasible it is if I can't find one Jul 15 03:20:32 ... calibre being the app functionality that has caused me to think that there's a point to getting a tablet Jul 15 03:22:37 Right, and it's mostly python... so it'd be mainly getting the pretty sorted out. Jul 15 03:23:04 mmmmm, Python Jul 15 03:23:15 Eh. Jul 15 03:23:20 heh Jul 15 03:23:29 Some year python may stop feeling like I'm trying to type with galoshes on my hands Jul 15 03:23:37 ... but by that time, it'll have finally morphed into java Jul 15 03:23:47 heh Jul 15 03:24:05 Yeah I dig it, but the whitespace thing gets me Jul 15 03:24:18 no brackets around code blocks, wtfff Jul 15 03:24:24 it's like lua Jul 15 03:24:25 heh Jul 15 03:24:52 My grouse there is that I can't reconstruct a python program if the whitespace is squashed or otherwise mangled Jul 15 03:25:04 yep Jul 15 03:27:47 Ah well. Jul 15 03:28:06 I should sort out laundry, and see about trying to get something closer to 8 than 4 hours of sleep. Jul 15 03:28:33 same Jul 15 03:28:37 minus the laundry Jul 15 03:29:19 8? who ever gets 8? Jul 15 03:29:30 5-6 is my avg Jul 15 03:31:46 e-gadget-guy - good for you... Jul 15 03:32:00 for myself, I prefer to have enough downtime to integrate what I learn. Jul 15 03:32:40 downtime... interesting concept Jul 15 03:32:48 I should try that Jul 15 09:23:25 Hm, is there no trick to having app-specific "Don't ask again" type of behavior with location services? Jul 15 09:23:48 I sorta wanna keep it on "Always ask", but it's a bit annoying when stuff like foursquare then always asks Jul 15 09:23:58 Maybe I'll see if I can write a patch for this, not that I'd have any idea what I'm doing Jul 15 09:24:02 :D Jul 15 14:08:32 So...apparently Palm backs up stuff that was installed Via preware aswell... Jul 15 14:08:36 as well too.... Jul 15 14:11:03 what kind of stuff? Jul 15 14:11:14 cookies and db8, yes. Jul 15 14:11:18 anything else, no. Jul 15 14:26:26 Well, I was trying to figure out how he profile that I made in Govnah survived multiple doctor visits and wipes.... Jul 15 14:27:38 cookies Jul 15 14:29:15 I like cookies, i ate one yesterday though, not as satisfying as I thought it would be... Jul 15 14:50:59 Where is the Hello! app tutorial involving node.js services and enyo? Jul 15 14:52:31 twbbas, it's in git Jul 15 14:52:51 http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/hello/ Jul 15 14:52:54 thank you Jul 15 14:53:13 I'd call it an example rather than a tutorial. Jul 15 14:53:20 true Jul 15 14:53:47 Yeah, I thought there was a tutorial but an example works too Jul 15 14:54:13 anyway... sleepy time for me Jul 15 14:56:03 nn Jul 15 15:01:47 cryptk: I'm new to using git. Is there a way to download those files? I'm not seeing one. Jul 15 15:02:07 install git on your local system Jul 15 15:02:16 then git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/applications/hello Jul 15 15:02:22 assuming you are on a linux system Jul 15 15:02:28 Windows 7 :( Jul 15 15:02:31 if you aren't... then get some windows version of git Jul 15 15:02:36 Ok, thanks Jul 15 15:02:36 and use the same command Jul 15 15:02:58 oh... and get a real OS... (just kidding( Jul 15 15:03:22 or you can just look at the source on that URL I gave you Jul 15 15:03:23 heh Jul 15 15:03:26 Is the new Xecutah launched Xterm broken on the Pre2 right now? Jul 15 15:03:28 just click where it says tree Jul 15 15:03:34 I can get the X Server to launch, but not Xterm. Jul 15 15:03:43 cryptk: Yeah, I saw that. Was just wondering if the was a download thing hidden anywhere on the site Jul 15 15:03:55 no download on the site... gotta use git to get them Jul 15 15:04:00 heh Jul 15 15:05:09 Tigrao: same issue here Jul 15 15:05:36 works fine for me Jul 15 15:05:56 I'm looking for log information as to what might be the problem, but the X logs aren't where I would expect them to be. Jul 15 15:06:01 start X server... it opens in a new card... swap back to xecutah, click start xterm... swap back to the xserver card, there it is Jul 15 15:06:26 aww, it needs a beta doctor Jul 15 15:06:28 cryptk: That's exactly what I am trying to do. Maybe it is because I have the Verizon Pre2 stuck on 2.0.1 still? Jul 15 15:06:31 only on the TP Jul 15 15:06:36 right, sorry Jul 15 15:06:48 Tigrao, AFAIK it should still work on 2.0.1 Jul 15 15:06:51 TP is really all I care about at this moment :) Jul 15 15:07:00 I know there are issues with anything < 2.0 Jul 15 15:07:29 summatusmentis, you can still use it, but you will need either a bluetooth keyboard (as xecutah says) or synergy Jul 15 15:07:36 and synergy is not yet ready for prime time Jul 15 15:07:45 cryptk: right, I read through all that. Jul 15 15:08:13 the X logs should be /tmp/xterm.log Jul 15 15:13:07 Loudergood: are you using webos v2.0.1 and not being able to launch Xterm? Jul 15 15:16:14 elpollodiablo1: I am Jul 15 15:23:27 elpollodiablo1: Both the xserver.log and xterm.log exist in /tmp but they never get written to. Both files are 0 bytes in size. Jul 15 15:23:30 cryptk: Thanks for pointing me to downloading git. That worked perfectly for downloading the entire source of Hello! Jul 15 15:23:42 err cryptk|offline Jul 15 16:30:42 great app for the touchpad, glimpse, you should check it out if you have a touchpad. great example of multi-tasking in one app Jul 15 16:31:03 Weird... xterm will run on my Pre2 if I ssh in and export DISPLAY="127.0.0.1:0" Jul 15 16:31:17 Then I manually run /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosintern Jul 15 16:31:17 als.xterm/bin/xterm Jul 15 16:31:27 whoops Jul 15 16:31:30 Tigrao: very interesting, i seem to recall some issues with using the domain sockets in the jail. Jul 15 16:31:39 Tigrao: ty for the find, i had completely forgotten about that. Jul 15 16:32:25 or at least with the abbreviated display format, which i thought implied domain sockets while yours suggests tcp. Jul 15 16:32:58 I didn't try abbreviated format. I couldn't remember the syntax for the abbreviated format... Jul 15 16:33:16 Is it just 0:0? Jul 15 16:33:20 I have a device that's already activated Jul 15 16:33:24 Tigrao: DISPLAY=:0.0 Jul 15 16:33:30 but I want it to be in dev mode (it currently isnt) Jul 15 16:33:44 dtzWill: Trying that now. Jul 15 16:33:45 the touchscreen is broke.. how would I do it Jul 15 16:33:58 no, for sure on earlier devices when i went into chroot i had to use the longer format.... i just don't remember why exactly (and made up the tcp va domain socket as a possible explanation) Jul 15 16:34:00 w/o doctoring Jul 15 16:34:40 dtzWill: Xterm comes up fine when using :0.0 Jul 15 16:34:54 Tigrao: chroot? Jul 15 16:34:55 Tigrao: okay, then that isn't it hehe :). Jul 15 16:35:09 oh i probably just wasn't bind-mounting tmp or something, don't mind me. Jul 15 16:35:31 PatrickC: Not a chroot. I'm just ssh'ed into my Pre2. Jul 15 16:36:09 ah Jul 15 16:36:35 (I'm decently certain i probably just forgot to bind-mount tmp..., seems mostly likely) Jul 15 16:36:57 Tigroa: did you have the xserver card up when you ran the xterm command? Jul 15 16:37:16 elpollodiablo1: Yep Jul 15 16:39:45 PatrickC: You could use the meta-doctor to put it in dev mode. Jul 15 16:39:57 I was trying to avoid the doctor route Jul 15 16:40:09 That's the only way I could possibly think of. Jul 15 16:40:12 anyone want a spotify invite for the US? Jul 15 16:40:14 I have some Jul 15 16:40:39 Spotify would be fun to try... but use the invites on your RL friends first :) Jul 15 16:40:55 none of them have webOS devices :/ Jul 15 16:41:03 so, they don't get love! :P Jul 15 16:41:07 lol Jul 15 16:41:08 want one? Jul 15 16:41:12 Sure :) Jul 15 16:41:32 PM'd Jul 15 16:55:51 is there an easy way to fix the digitizer? Jul 15 18:30:18 Anyone here removed a Pre- comm board? Stuck on step 7 @ http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_Pre_2 Jul 15 18:37:28 been there, what's the issue? Jul 15 18:38:42 there's a bit of glue on that as well, so it can be expected to stick Jul 15 18:40:04 dgathright: making a sprint pre2? Jul 15 18:40:17 yup Jul 15 18:40:22 cool Jul 15 18:40:26 I'll be making one soon Jul 15 18:40:35 just got my spare pre Jul 15 18:40:57 * NuttyBunny steals PatrickC's Pre front screen Jul 15 18:41:05 NuttyBunny: you can have it Jul 15 18:41:15 its cracked, and the touchscreen doesn't work Jul 15 18:41:23 where do I send it? :P Jul 15 18:41:28 once you've done it once it's stupid easy to do Jul 15 18:41:29 argh Jul 15 18:41:47 hehehe Jul 15 18:41:49 Loudergood: cool Jul 15 18:41:56 I'll be doing it for my dad soon Jul 15 18:42:03 NuttyBunny: you wouldn't rather have a pre+ front screen? Jul 15 18:42:17 I have one of those too Jul 15 18:42:28 Loudergood: I read somewhere that they aren't compatible with the minuses Jul 15 18:42:55 interesting Jul 15 18:43:12 Loudergood: need a spotify invite? Jul 15 18:43:42 sure Jul 15 18:43:55 bad esn pre+ is really cheap on ebay nowadays Jul 15 18:44:26 Loudergood: http://bit.ly/ndcmFI Jul 15 18:46:13 Loudergood: Nevermind. I figured it out. On to step 10 Jul 15 18:47:18 that one's a pain but it's obvious what needs to be done Jul 15 18:47:36 how cheap is cheap? Jul 15 18:48:01 (has to be worth comm swapping a pre- to a pre+) Jul 15 18:48:27 dwc-: pre- to pre2 is more worth in imho Jul 15 18:48:37 sure Jul 15 18:49:15 Loudergood: is it easier to swap the whole bezel? or just the comms board? Jul 15 18:49:29 Item image Jul 15 18:49:31 NEW PALM PRE PLUS BLACK MP3 3G TOUCH BAD ESN NO RESERVE Jul 15 18:49:36 uh-huh Jul 15 18:49:40 "new" with a bad esn already Jul 15 18:49:44 riiiight Jul 15 18:49:49 yeah Jul 15 18:50:04 of course ;) Jul 15 18:50:04 see, I needed a good esn.. those aren't as cheap Jul 15 18:50:12 Alright, Pre- now disassembled. Time to take apart the Pre2 Jul 15 18:50:18 actually I gues sthey could have never activated it and ran off with it Jul 15 18:50:20 dgathright: have fun Jul 15 18:50:27 and vzw might have blackballed it Jul 15 18:50:32 either that or it's stolen Jul 15 18:50:36 I'll practice on my pre+ first Jul 15 18:50:41 but either way, doesn't sound like somehting I'd want to buy Jul 15 18:50:43 "missing inventory" Jul 15 18:51:02 PatrickC: Yeah, I wish I would have done that first Jul 15 18:51:06 yeah I'd have a hard time trusting anyone coming up with a bad ESN phone Jul 15 18:51:12 * PatrickC needs to find a T5 Jul 15 18:51:23 dgathright: hard? Jul 15 18:51:24 PatrickC: lowes Jul 15 18:51:48 Loudergood: I probably have 10 here at home Jul 15 18:51:52 I just need to look :P Jul 15 18:52:10 I thought I did, I have tons of tools Jul 15 18:52:15 http://www.lowes.com/pd_239384-16878-60272_?PL=1&productId=1067905 Jul 15 18:52:19 that was like $5 Jul 15 18:52:25 and good quality Jul 15 18:52:26 PatrickC: Nah, not really, but I'm only halfway through the process and who knows that I fucked up. :) Jul 15 18:52:42 lol Jul 15 18:52:59 dgathright: did you remember to be gentle with the volume button? Jul 15 18:53:06 Loudergood: I'm sure I have it, and if I don't, my dad probably does Jul 15 18:53:18 he takes apart arcade games for a living Jul 15 18:53:38 I have tons of volume buttons to spare :) Jul 15 18:54:06 it's the little wire behind it that gets snagged Jul 15 18:54:36 not the physical button itself that gets damaged Jul 15 18:55:00 ah Jul 15 18:55:32 supposedly replacing that is about as much fun as replacing the screen Jul 15 18:55:51 I need to replace the screen on this pre I bought.. Jul 15 18:56:07 hey, can you activate a pre w/o using the screen *at all*? Jul 15 18:56:41 doubt it Jul 15 18:56:49 try it Jul 15 18:57:05 I don't need to sign into a profile Jul 15 18:57:12 just need the comms board activated Jul 15 18:57:20 then use the palm bypass tool Jul 15 18:57:45 and I can activate the comms board? Jul 15 18:57:52 I want to use its comms board in a pre2 Jul 15 18:58:11 so the comms board has to be activated before being swapped? correct? Jul 15 18:58:12 I'm not sure I understand why you need to do that before hand Jul 15 18:58:25 hasn't it already been by the previous owner? Jul 15 18:58:27 can I activate the comms board once its in a pre2? Jul 15 18:58:39 yeah. but I want it to be on my number Jul 15 18:59:01 do I have to port my number before or after the switch? Jul 15 18:59:17 I don't know about porting numbers Jul 15 18:59:35 ok.. Jul 15 18:59:36 Pre2 disassembled. Was a little more tricky than the Pre1 Jul 15 18:59:36 I had the same ESN so I didn't need to worry about it Jul 15 18:59:42 you understand what I'm saying? Jul 15 18:59:52 Yeah, the cable behind the volume button did get snagged Jul 15 19:00:29 T5 is great for pushing that button out Jul 15 19:01:52 hardware store was out of T5, but T6 is working fine, just a wee bit bigger Jul 15 19:02:04 interesting Jul 15 19:03:56 only 6 screws? Jul 15 19:06:46 dgathright: was the "palm" sticker hard to remove? Jul 15 19:07:54 the hell palm-install is hanging trying to put preware on my pre Jul 15 19:07:55 >:O Jul 15 19:09:23 I occasionally have preware and the official appcat hang trying to install an app Jul 15 19:09:34 a reboot should "fix" it Jul 15 19:10:00 yeah, rebooting now, just unexpected. thanks for the tip, will report if that doesn't fix it.. Jul 15 19:10:56 yep, fixed it. Jul 15 19:26:10 seems easy enough.. except for the kb tabs.. Jul 15 19:28:25 where are the cmd's to capture tokens? Jul 15 19:30:20 All done! Booting the frankenpre Jul 15 19:30:30 yeah! Jul 15 19:30:41 I'll be doing mine tomorrow (hopefully) Jul 15 19:30:52 just got to call sprint and activate it Jul 15 19:39:04 I'll be soooo happy to get rid of my pre- Jul 15 19:40:13 wirc on 1.4.5 why does emergency fstab fix need to be run? Jul 15 19:40:53 and what does it do? Jul 15 19:41:10 did you OTA update to 1.4.5? Jul 15 19:41:34 yes Jul 15 19:41:54 then the fstab part of your phone is broke.. Jul 15 19:42:16 you need to run the emergency fstab fixer to be able to use PDK/Hybrid apps iirc Jul 15 19:42:41 is that the saving data to the internals directory issue? Jul 15 19:42:56 no clue Jul 15 19:43:03 ok Jul 15 19:43:03 all I know is it needs to be run Jul 15 19:43:16 does it matter if it is before or after wirc install? Jul 15 19:43:31 not sure Jul 15 19:43:32 sorry Jul 15 19:43:37 I would do it before Jul 15 19:43:40 just to be safe Jul 15 19:43:54 that is what I was thinking thanks Jul 15 19:44:17 np Jul 15 19:45:08 tokens backed up Jul 15 19:45:17 I'm all ready for tomorrow Jul 15 19:45:30 dgathright: worked? pre2 activated/working? Jul 15 19:46:00 PatrickC: Well, it boots, and wifi works fine. But no audio from the speaker (tried YouTube). Jul 15 19:46:11 it currently says "phone offline" Jul 15 19:46:19 So, what do I do next? Jul 15 19:46:20 not good? Jul 15 19:46:24 I have no clue Jul 15 19:46:33 I haven't done the swap yet Jul 15 19:46:48 anyone know where the emergency fstab fixer code lives? I cant remember if I OTA or DRed it I want to see if mine is correct or not. Jul 15 19:47:02 Oh, I skipped Step 15. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_Pre_2 Jul 15 19:47:43 doctor? Jul 15 19:48:21 elpollodiablol: just run it, lol. it won't kill anything if you doctored Jul 15 19:49:14 dgathright: I'm just happy we don't have to do the tokens thing anymore Jul 15 19:49:21 that makes it much easier imho Jul 15 19:54:02 PatrickC: Crap, that's right, b/c this is a Sprint comm board, I need to Doctor with Sprint webOS 1.4.5 :( Jul 15 19:55:57 Well, I guess I could go straight to webOS 2. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade Hmmm... Jul 15 19:57:12 why do you need to doctor? Jul 15 19:57:18 tokens aren't /needed/ Jul 15 19:57:49 i can't back up the tokens from my comms board Jul 15 19:58:04 unless there's a novacom cmd Jul 15 19:58:14 I dunno, just following the directions. Last step is to doctor it. Jul 15 19:58:46 yep Jul 15 19:58:52 and the tokens are no longer needed Jul 15 19:58:53 I think I'll start with 1.4.5 just so I can get a working phone. Then maybe later upgrade to 2 Jul 15 19:58:57 "NOTE: Tokens are no longer needed to create a Sprint Franken Unlocked Pre 2. You only need to run the script below. However, it is still a good idea to capture and store the tokens from each phone for potential future use." Jul 15 20:01:23 wirc is nice! Jul 15 20:01:30 yep! :) Jul 15 20:02:32 "Your device is not compatible with this version of Doctor" Hrmm..... Jul 15 20:03:07 uhoh Jul 15 20:03:37 Loudergood: you there? Jul 15 20:05:01 yes Jul 15 20:05:18 bbl Jul 15 20:05:27 gonna see if I can start to take the pre2 apart Jul 15 20:05:30 what script did you use? Jul 15 20:05:49 No script, just downloaded the Sprint 1.4.5 doctor, which obviously didn't work Jul 15 20:06:06 oh yeah that wont work at all Jul 15 20:06:34 So do I just go straight to Step 16? Jul 15 20:07:02 The device seems to work, though I don't have speaker audio. Will investigate that later. Jul 15 20:07:26 yes Jul 15 20:07:39 make sure you use the right doctor for your doner device Jul 15 20:07:47 was it verizon or gsm? Jul 15 20:07:57 Sprint Pre- Jul 15 20:08:07 the other half Jul 15 20:08:17 GSM Pre2 Jul 15 20:08:28 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade Jul 15 20:08:58 Too much reading :\ Jul 15 20:09:10 with patience you'll get through it Jul 15 20:09:12 it's worth it Jul 15 20:09:15 alright alright.... Jul 15 20:12:26 Loudergood: what do you use to take the "palm" sticker off with? Jul 15 20:12:31 I don't see that in the wiki Jul 15 20:15:29 what Palm sticker? Jul 15 20:15:45 PatrickC: ^ Jul 15 20:16:27 on the torx screw opposite of the power button screw Jul 15 20:16:36 I have a sticker covering it Jul 15 20:17:10 Yeah, just ignore that it's even there. it'll unscrew just fine with it on Jul 15 20:17:30 ah ok Jul 15 20:17:44 Screwdriver vs Sticker? Screwdriver wins. :) Jul 15 20:17:49 haha Jul 15 20:18:00 man... I'm anxious.. lol Jul 15 20:18:07 I want to do it soooooo bad right now.... Jul 15 20:18:28 The hardware swap is the easy part. There's a lot to do software-wise Jul 15 20:18:29 :( Jul 15 20:18:40 (at least it seems) Jul 15 20:19:06 not really Jul 15 20:19:17 just 3 commands (or is it 4) Jul 15 20:19:21 git clone Jul 15 20:19:26 mkdir Jul 15 20:19:29 ./scripts Jul 15 20:20:00 but i've made many meta-doctors :)r Jul 15 20:20:09 read the whole wiki first Jul 15 20:20:23 * dgathright *sighs* Jul 15 20:28:32 dgathright: let me know if you need any help on the doctor Jul 15 20:37:49 I don't get it...I keep trying the gesture tutorial...and I've MASTERED the back gesture...are there more this thing could teach me?... Jul 15 20:38:09 Even the help app takes me to a "can't be found" or something along those lines.... Jul 15 20:38:59 if you can change cards without first going to card view then you're all set Jul 15 20:39:46 Loudergood: you can do thaT? Jul 15 20:40:28 yeah Jul 15 20:40:56 under screen and lock turn advanced gestures on Jul 15 20:41:18 takes a little to get used to Jul 15 20:41:51 because a full swipe changes app in that direction, forward and backward are reduced to a half swipe Jul 15 20:42:17 Sick... Jul 15 20:42:36 See, what I'm trying to learn without asking because of the risk of being flamed...isss.... Jul 15 20:43:31 How does one use the...dock? efficiently...like, I know there's the wave thing...but is there a way of hiding the dock, can I put more icons on it than the 5...can I put icons on the desktop....etc. Jul 15 20:43:51 IS there a desktop?.... Jul 15 20:44:07 coming from android...this is...new Jul 15 20:46:56 Patch, no more than 5, andd...no Jul 15 20:46:57 gotit Jul 15 20:50:53 you likin webos so far? Jul 15 20:50:54 man.. i've only got a T8.. no T5s Jul 15 20:54:19 halfhalo-doctori: doctoring? Jul 15 20:54:35 no, monkeying Jul 15 20:55:20 dgathright_: get the doctor done? Jul 15 20:56:33 PatrickC: It's still downloading the doctor files. Jul 15 20:56:38 ah Jul 15 20:56:46 but everything else is runing find? Jul 15 20:56:52 yeah, so far Jul 15 20:57:31 not gonna lie... really want a mac laptop right now Jul 15 20:57:45 I thought you had one Jul 15 20:57:51 I gave it back, didn't i? Jul 15 20:57:51 mac mini Jul 15 20:57:55 ah Jul 15 20:58:00 and mbp for work Jul 15 20:58:01 dgathright: great! Jul 15 20:58:10 I'm gonna buy a mbp soon Jul 15 20:58:29 someone has one here with 8gb ram, 900gb hdd, 3.0GHz i5, for $205 Jul 15 20:59:55