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Jul 24 07:09:45 <AtomicPlayboy> Anybody here have the Ubuntu Chroot on their TouchPad?
Jul 24 07:10:07 <ka6sox> yes
Jul 24 07:10:58 <AtomicPlayboy> What packages did you install after installing the chroot to get a desktop? ubuntu-desktop or something else?
Jul 24 07:11:44 <ka6sox> i chose e17 originally
Jul 24 07:12:01 <AtomicPlayboy> Ah
Jul 24 07:12:30 <ka6sox> but since have removed that and instead am calling the apps I want from xecutah directly
Jul 24 07:12:59 <ka6sox> since we alrady have a WM.
Jul 24 07:13:47 <AtomicPlayboy> So what window manager are you using?
Jul 24 07:13:58 <ka6sox> Luna
Jul 24 07:14:05 <AtomicPlayboy> Oh
Jul 24 07:14:48 <AtomicPlayboy> Don't Ubuntu applications run in the Xserver?
Jul 24 07:15:26 <ka6sox> yes
Jul 24 07:16:00 <ka6sox> I have worked out how to directly call them from xecutah
Jul 24 07:16:11 <ka6sox> and also install them with preware.
Jul 24 07:16:30 <AtomicPlayboy> Oh
Jul 24 07:16:36 <AtomicPlayboy> Do you have instructions for this somehwere?
Jul 24 07:17:28 <ka6sox> I am developing an installer app  + headless apps for those things I know work.
Jul 24 07:17:47 <AtomicPlayboy> Alright
Jul 24 07:19:05 <ka6sox> I would rather not make it so that you can run *any* app as some just dont' make sernse or worse...won't run or cause crashing.
Jul 24 07:19:36 <ka6sox> I have a few i've been playing with that I know work..mostly.
Jul 24 07:19:56 <AtomicPlayboy> In that case, is there a thread on P|C or somewhere else about running Ubuntu on the TP? I'm not having much luck with the forum search or Google.
Jul 24 07:21:20 <ka6sox> <<< hates forums for that very reason.
Jul 24 07:22:00 <ka6sox> AtomicPlayboy, I am too busy writing the app to start a discussion on P|C...sorry
Jul 24 07:22:49 <AtomicPlayboy> No problem, I'm trying to avoid creating a thread when I know there's got to be some kind of discussion out there somewhere already
Jul 24 07:23:22 <ka6sox> probablyis
Jul 24 07:23:53 <ka6sox> right now there is only the natty one...i suspect others will come along too.
Jul 24 07:24:44 <ka6sox> ubuntu just has a neat tool called "rootstock" which creates a nice chroot image from a x86 box with armel apps.
Jul 24 07:24:56 <ka6sox> s/from/on
Jul 24 07:29:46 <ka6sox> dunno if other distro's do the same
Jul 24 07:31:47 <AtomicPlayboy> Alright, by the looks of it, the overall opinion is "Install ubuntu chroot, do whatever you want"
Jul 24 07:31:57 <AtomicPlayboy> So I guess I'm on my own here :P
Jul 24 07:32:53 <ka6sox> ya, sorta...install chroot use the xterm into the chroot
Jul 24 07:33:00 <ka6sox> from xecuah
Jul 24 07:33:09 <AtomicPlayboy> xecutah has a command for running the chroot
Jul 24 07:33:17 <ka6sox> kinda ugly.
Jul 24 07:33:19 <ka6sox> but works
Jul 24 07:33:22 <ka6sox> yes
Jul 24 07:33:25 <AtomicPlayboy> Xecutah -> Xserver -> Ubuntu Chroot
Jul 24 07:33:29 <ka6sox> yes
Jul 24 07:33:30 <AtomicPlayboy> and then apt-get install *
Jul 24 07:33:34 <ka6sox> correct
Jul 24 07:34:01 <AtomicPlayboy> I just want to make sure installing ubuntu-desktop won't break anything
Jul 24 07:34:06 <ka6sox> I am working on a gui based installer.
Jul 24 07:34:07 <AtomicPlayboy> I realize it's running in a chroot to begin with
Jul 24 07:34:35 <ka6sox> won't break stuff ...but would rather not layer WM on top of WM.
Jul 24 07:35:13 <ka6sox> iirc xfce doesnt' work
Jul 24 07:35:35 <ka6sox> there is another that does though that is lightweight
Jul 24 07:35:55 <AtomicPlayboy> icewm
Jul 24 07:36:07 <ka6sox> ya, that probably owrks.
Jul 24 07:36:15 <AtomicPlayboy> That's the one Rod recommended in the twitter feed
Jul 24 07:36:26 <ka6sox> haven't tried as i decided not to go that way.
Jul 24 07:36:33 <AtomicPlayboy> Right
Jul 24 07:36:46 <dtzWill> AtomicPlayboy: fwiw some things don't work wel out-of-the-box in a chroot
Jul 24 07:36:56 <dtzWill> AtomicPlayboy: so gnome, etc, need some special love to run, for example.
Jul 24 07:37:08 <dtzWill> AtomicPlayboy: also lxde is nice :)
Jul 24 07:37:34 <AtomicPlayboy> Has anybody started a page anywhere regarding what works/doesn't work in the chroot?
Jul 24 07:37:47 <ka6sox> AtomicPlayboy, not that I've seen
Jul 24 07:37:53 <ka6sox> could you start one?
Jul 24 07:37:57 <ka6sox> :D
Jul 24 07:38:17 <AtomicPlayboy> I just ran apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
Jul 24 07:38:27 <AtomicPlayboy> I'm probably not the one to do documentation for it
Jul 24 07:38:32 <ka6sox> welcome to gnome
Jul 24 07:38:56 <AtomicPlayboy> I thought they stopped using gnome in 11.04
Jul 24 07:39:53 <AtomicPlayboy> Rather, it's not the default anymore
Jul 24 07:39:57 <AtomicPlayboy> For desktops anyway
Jul 24 07:40:08 <ka6sox> oh unity?
Jul 24 07:40:11 <AtomicPlayboy> Yeah
Jul 24 07:40:17 * ka6sox shudders
Jul 24 08:28:53 <Atomic|wIRC> Does anybody else use the HP TouchPad's bluetooth keyboard?
Jul 24 08:30:09 <Atomic|wIRC> The ubuntu chroot doesn't like the \ or ` keys
Jul 24 08:43:33 <dtzWill> Atomic|wIRC: nope, the TP keymapping in the testing feed is rather limited
Jul 24 08:44:09 <Atomic|wIRC> dtzWill: Is there a way to configure xterm to support the keymapping for it?
Jul 24 08:44:16 <Atomic|wIRC> Or is that being worked on?
Jul 24 08:44:26 <dtzWill> Atomic|wIRC: worked on
Jul 24 08:44:44 <Atomic|wIRC> Okay
Jul 24 08:44:59 <dtzWill> Atomic|wIRC: no option avail to end-users; the new keymapping isn't shipped yet, by default or otherwise
Jul 24 08:45:49 <Atomic|wIRC> Ah
Jul 24 08:53:14 <xbonesx>  is there an opera browser for webos yet?
Jul 24 08:57:43 <dtzWill> not native, but probably works in the chroot, haven't tried
Jul 24 09:00:15 <xbonesx> http://starblogger.net/how-to-emulate-java-virtual-machine-to-install-opera-mini-on-webos.html
Jul 24 09:18:52 <Atomic|wIRC> dtzWill rwhitby-pre Let me know if you want testers for the keyboard fix when it's ready.
Jul 24 09:19:22 <Atomic|wIRC> Or is this something that has to come from HP first?
Jul 24 10:03:07 <dtzWill> rwhitby-pre: when's your talk again? also, is a video gonna be posted/slides avail? :D
Jul 24 10:03:18 <dtzWill> hope your flight went well too ^.^
Jul 24 10:04:54 <Sargun> OSCON?
Jul 24 10:05:09 * dtzWill nods
Jul 24 14:19:22 <pantsoftime> is the chroot always going to require repartitioning?
Jul 24 14:22:30 <cryptk> yes
Jul 24 14:22:40 <cryptk> there are reasons for it
Jul 24 14:23:13 <cryptk> the root partition on WebOS is read only, so we can't put it there without remounting it RW every time you start it... that's going to be a support nightmare
Jul 24 14:23:30 <cryptk> putting it on /media/internal won't work because that is a FAT partition
Jul 24 14:23:49 <cryptk> putting it on a sparse file in /media/internal would work but it is slow and limiting
Jul 24 14:24:17 <cryptk> but if you can come up with a better option, let us know
Jul 24 14:32:17 <pantsoftime> will do
Jul 24 14:42:52 <pantsoftime> i think that it might be worth trying the POSIX overlay filesystem
Jul 24 14:43:37 <pantsoftime> which is meant to work on FAT style partitions, runs through FUSE, and is supposedly quite a bit faster than doing something like a loop file
Jul 24 14:52:12 <pantsoftime> if i can get a toolchain working i'll tinker with it
Jul 24 15:56:00 <pantsoftime> i've got a simple test case running in posixovl on the device
Jul 24 15:56:09 <pantsoftime> i'll try setting up a chroot after i do some errands
Jul 24 15:56:34 <pantsoftime> i was able to apply permissions and ownership to various files running in /media/internal, etc
Jul 24 17:39:38 <pantsoftime> ok i got the wosi ubuntu chroot running in a posix overlay on /media/internal
Jul 24 17:39:48 <pantsoftime> so far it's not too bad speed wise but i just got it going
Jul 24 17:45:21 <dwc-> is this like that umsdos thing?
Jul 24 17:46:12 <pantsoftime> sort of
Jul 24 17:46:35 <pantsoftime> it performs a similar purpose but it's intended for more modern uses
Jul 24 17:46:38 <pantsoftime> and it runs through fuse
Jul 24 17:47:18 <pantsoftime> does anyone have the control key working in xterm on the bluetooth keyboard?
Jul 24 17:49:33 <pantsoftime> i didn't get my hands on a usb otg cable this weekend, i was hoping to start tinkering with that
Jul 24 17:53:46 <pantsoftime> ugh it's logging everything that the filesystem does for some reason into messages
Jul 24 17:53:59 <PatrickC> what's up?
Jul 24 17:54:40 <dwc-> turn debug down!
Jul 24 17:55:21 <pantsoftime> know offhand how to do that live?
Jul 24 17:55:52 <dwc-> nope
Jul 24 18:00:05 <pantsoftime> i killed off pmsyslogd and things are quite a bit more snappy
Jul 24 18:11:15 <pantsoftime> hah nice
Jul 24 18:11:27 <pantsoftime> got xtightvncviewer working through ubuntu
Jul 24 18:27:51 <CLU> hello guys
Jul 24 19:21:19 <zaza> Hello team wondering if there is vlc ipk already compiled for pre2
Jul 24 19:22:33 * ka6sox laughs
Jul 24 19:23:50 * Lumiere facepalms
Jul 24 19:23:58 <Loudergood> there's an mplayer one out there
Jul 24 19:24:28 <Moris> hi, I have a problem with the openssh app on a touchpad, the dsa and rsa host files are generated with weird names, tried to rename them and move them to /opt/etc/openssh and I get pem_read_privatekey mismatch while running sshd and it doesnt start, any i
Jul 24 19:24:28 <Moris> deas?
Jul 24 19:24:40 <zaza> need to check if mplayer can read asf files
Jul 24 19:24:50 <zaza> still wondering if you can provide the link to the ipk
Jul 24 19:25:28 <Lumiere> zaza: it still won't get them into a media player unless you have a front end
Jul 24 19:27:10 <zaza> well the idea behind using vlc or another player is that the pre navigator does not read asf format, knowing that vlc can read almost all the format thought about installing it
Jul 24 19:28:33 <Loudergood> http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/278909-mplayer-webos-wrapper-1-0-a.html
Jul 24 19:29:05 <ka6sox> Moris, did you rename where the config looks for the private and host keys on sshd_config?
Jul 24 19:29:12 <zaza> Loudergood: Thanks for the link I will check it out
Jul 24 19:31:05 <ka6sox> Moris, if you rename them sshd_config needs to be updated too.
Jul 24 19:31:08 <Moris> ka6sox: I renamed them to standard names (ssh_host_rsa_key) the originals were # and }
Jul 24 19:32:00 <Moris> ssh-keygen seems to ignore the -f option and writes wrong filenames
Jul 24 19:32:11 <ka6sox> why do you want to do this?
Jul 24 19:32:34 <ka6sox> since the other way works and this way doesn't?
Jul 24 19:33:09 <Moris> I want to install openssh as an app on prepared and the files it created had the weird names
Jul 24 19:33:48 <Lumiere> and your point if it was working is?
Jul 24 19:33:52 <Moris> *preware
Jul 24 19:34:18 <Moris> it i
Jul 24 19:34:23 <Lumiere> openssh is already in preware
Jul 24 19:34:34 <Moris> it worked before a webosdoctor
Jul 24 19:36:35 <Moris> I'm installing via preware, preware script generates the host keys with wrong names and I think its because when I try to use ssh-keygen -f it ignores the option and writes whatever filename it wants
Jul 24 19:37:26 <ka6sox> optware was designed to NOT interfere with the base os's naming
Jul 24 19:37:43 <ka6sox> so the "wierd" names are to prevent confusion with the base OS naming
Jul 24 19:38:55 <Moris> if I run sshd it doesnt find the files unless I rename them
Jul 24 19:39:32 <ka6sox> are you trying to save them from before a doctor and then reuse them?
Jul 24 19:40:39 <Moris> no, doctored allready and now it doesnt work
Jul 24 20:04:07 <kill_dano> what's the easierst way to install flash on chromium in touchpad churoot
Jul 24 20:16:12 <PuffTheMagic> chromium comes with its own flash
Jul 24 20:24:04 <kill_dano> nah your thinking of chrome, buddy
Jul 24 20:24:54 <kill_dano> So I get this error when trying to install uberkernel on my TP http://pastie.org/2265021
Jul 24 20:25:05 <kill_dano> says out of space
Jul 24 20:25:26 <kill_dano> what partition is out of space? my usb? the one with ubuntu? the one with my apps?
Jul 24 20:25:56 <PuffTheMagic> same difference
Jul 24 20:26:54 <kill_dano> well it would be the same, but flash is not open source so they don't include it in the open sorce chromium
Jul 24 20:57:23 <kill_dano> So I get this error when trying to install uberkernel on my TP http://pastie.org/2265021what partition is out of space? my usb? the one with ubuntu? the one with my apps?
Jul 24 21:00:53 <tmzt_> chromium on dtzWill's X?
Jul 24 21:15:40 <kill_dano> Hey Puffthemagic, any idea why freetether is pretty slow when sharing with a touchpad on my Sprint Pre 2 with 2.1
Jul 24 21:17:51 <PuffTheMagic> kill_dano, whats slow?
Jul 24 21:18:03 <kill_dano> browsing
Jul 24 21:18:29 <kill_dano> pages load foever
Jul 24 21:18:35 <kill_dano> full bars
Jul 24 21:18:48 <kill_dano> 3g
Jul 24 21:18:59 <kill_dano> pretty conssistently
Jul 24 21:19:23 <PuffTheMagic> no idea, works fine with my 1.4.5 pixi
Jul 24 21:19:24 <kill_dano> did u see this page? seems some ppl have similar results
Jul 24 21:19:27 <kill_dano> http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/289318-touchpad-free-tether-what-has-been-your-experience.html
Jul 24 21:23:24 <PuffTheMagic> should go back go 1.4.5, its fast on that :D
Jul 24 21:53:22 <omastudios> hey is the node service included with org.webosinternals.hello able to execute child processes outside of the jail?
Jul 24 21:59:38 <rwhitby> omastudios: the node service in Hello! intentionally runs outside the jail. not app catalog suitable of course.
Jul 24 22:00:41 <pigsflew> rwhitby, I've been trying to make the build scripts to work in Cygwin--is that not supported? If not, i'll just have to create an ubuntu guest
Jul 24 22:01:03 <rwhitby> forget cygwin
Jul 24 22:01:10 <pigsflew> awesome
Jul 24 22:01:27 <pigsflew> I won't waste any more time then :)
Jul 24 22:07:48 <omastudios> rwhitby: that's what I need. Presumably just remove all lines with CSRVDIR from scripts. Thanks.
Jul 24 22:08:32 <rwhitby> omastudios: make sure you don't create an open root-running service which can be exploited by any rogue webOS app
Jul 24 22:09:53 <omastudios> actually, is it possible to 'liberate' an existing service from an app catalog application?
Jul 24 22:10:12 <omastudios> I'll be careful I promise :-)
Jul 24 22:10:24 <rwhitby> omastudios: once it's in the jail, you can't get it out
Jul 24 22:11:18 <omastudios> is there an example in the git of restricting use to a single app id or domain? Don't want that open use to occur.
Jul 24 22:18:22 <omastudios> by safe, do you mean preventing any nasty injection via service calls?
Jul 24 22:23:03 <rwhitby> omastudios: see impostah
Jul 24 22:23:28 <rwhitby> especially the code in the C service.  not sure whether node.js services can be similarly secured
Jul 24 22:31:26 <omastudios> ok thanks
Jul 24 22:40:48 <Xuzz> rwhitby: I feel that the "organized … militant" in that post means "organized at all"; which very few other platforms seem to have
Jul 24 22:42:47 <rwhitby> Xuzz: yeah, I specifically try not to recreate the in-fighting that easily happens
Jul 24 22:43:17 <rwhitby> I had enough of that in the early wrt54g/sveasoft/openwrt/ddwrt days
Jul 24 22:43:50 <Xuzz> i don't even know of another mobile platform that has the concept of "open source project that people actually contribute to"
Jul 24 22:44:21 <rwhitby> Xuzz: I find the key is to give anyone with something to contribute commit rights, and always share the credit for anything across as many people as possible.
Jul 24 22:45:43 <pigsflew> you know i think your biography would be fascinating
Jul 24 22:46:25 <pigsflew> i didn't realize you were involved in openwwrt/dd
Jul 24 22:46:55 <rwhitby> I did the openwrt port to the NSLU2 and some other ixp4xx routers & NAS boxes
Jul 24 22:47:10 <zomg> Do you do anything that isn't pretty cool or awesome? ;)
Jul 24 22:47:13 <rwhitby> still have commit rights, but have only done two commits in the last year.
Jul 24 22:48:28 <rwhitby> (had to fix the bluetooth usb dongle support so that I could network my new solar panel inverter)
Jul 24 22:48:50 <pigsflew> ::laughs:: yep, your biography would be amazing
Jul 24 22:48:59 <pigsflew> for every person that fancies themselves a tinkerer
Jul 24 22:49:16 <pigsflew> or just
Jul 24 22:49:20 <pigsflew> a list of your projects
Jul 24 22:49:26 <pigsflew> :)
Jul 24 22:49:42 <rwhitby> pigsflew: I have a partial list in my OSCON talk on Wednesday
Jul 24 22:50:13 * rwhitby is currently at 30,000 feet, 23 hours into travel from Australia to Portland.
Jul 24 22:50:21 <halfhalo> hah
Jul 24 22:50:58 <pigsflew> were i not on the other side of the country :)
Jul 24 22:51:00 <rwhitby> I think I'll just make it airport to airport under 24h this time around
Jul 24 22:52:00 <Xuzz> rwhitby: 23 hours? :|
Jul 24 22:52:20 <rwhitby> Xuzz: yep. I left my house 24.5 hours ago
Jul 24 22:52:31 <Xuzz> yikes
Jul 24 22:52:41 <rwhitby> am currently over Oregon, about to land
Jul 24 22:53:00 * halfhalo has no-one to talk to at work until after oscon.  the person who's cube he is in is giving a node talk.
Jul 24 22:53:08 <rwhitby> Xuzz: all on HP
Jul 24 22:53:21 <Xuzz> rwhitby: yeah, but mostly just travel time yikes
Jul 24 22:53:51 <Xuzz> it only took me like 14 hrs from SF->Sydney, but that didn't include airport waiting, etc
Jul 24 22:53:56 <rwhitby> oops, fasten seat belt sign is on.
Jul 24 22:54:07 <rwhitby> Xuzz: Adelaide is another 3h from Sydney
Jul 24 22:54:22 <Xuzz> and then transfers.. yeah, i guess it makes sense
Jul 24 22:54:26 * rwhitby bbl from hotel or maybe oscon registration
Jul 25 00:31:20 <pigsflew> you know, that box.net client is really handy for installing packages through preware for testing :)
Jul 25 00:35:17 <ka6sox> pigsflew, ya,I just may do that if for no other reason other than making my development smoother.
Jul 25 00:36:43 <kill_dano> so I get this error installing uberkernel on my touchpad: device full ... what do?
Jul 25 00:38:19 <kill_dano> cp: write error: No space left on device
Jul 25 00:38:48 <kill_dano> is this because of having the 2gb ext3 partition
Jul 25 00:39:23 <dwc-> check with df which filesystem is full
Jul 25 00:40:03 <kill_dano> df?
Jul 25 00:40:13 <kill_dano> oh
Jul 25 00:40:40 <kill_dano> well usb is not, apps is not and the ext3 is not
Jul 25 00:40:56 <dwc-> any of them close?
Jul 25 00:41:03 <kill_dano> and the kernel is only 4mb
Jul 25 00:41:18 <kill_dano> idk how to check
Jul 25 00:41:25 <kill_dano> how do I check?
Jul 25 00:42:55 <dwc-> df -m will show you the measurements
Jul 25 00:43:03 <dwc-> you can ignore anything that's got /var/palm/jail in it
Jul 25 00:43:20 <dwc-> look for things with low numbers in the available column
Jul 25 00:43:33 <kill_dano> thnx
Jul 25 00:43:45 <kill_dano> thnx
Jul 25 00:43:45 <dwc-> particularly at the entries for / and /var
Jul 25 00:56:30 <kill_dano> does uberkernel on TP overclock?
Jul 25 00:56:37 <ka6sox> I don't think df -m is valid? oh nm...its M that isn't valid
Jul 25 00:58:34 <dwc-> I was about to mention the more useful flags in gnu diff, but then I remembered the pre probably only has busybox df
Jul 25 00:58:38 <dwc-> s/diff/df/
Jul 25 00:58:38 <infobot> dwc- meant: I was about to mention the more useful flags in gnu df, but then I remembered the pre probably only has busybox df
Jul 25 00:59:59 <ka6sox> dwc-, it does
Jul 25 01:00:28 <ka6sox> annoys me no end...
Jul 25 01:07:18 <oc80z> hmm hi
Jul 25 01:08:08 <ka6sox> because I need to change from MiB to MB
Jul 25 01:08:47 <ka6sox> or...I could simply do the math for blocks
Jul 25 01:11:29 <ka6sox> probably safer that way
Jul 25 01:11:53 <ka6sox> since I'm pretty sure they are still K instead of k
Jul 25 01:23:12 <ka6sox> wish gimp didn't have 4000 floating palettes
Jul 25 01:29:23 <rwhitby> kill_dano: re uberkernel - what does the package description in Preware say?
Jul 25 01:34:54 <PatrickC> my volume rocker is broke
Jul 25 01:35:03 <PatrickC> can I still go into recovery mode?
Jul 25 01:35:44 <rwhitby> tellbootie recover
Jul 25 01:35:47 <rwhitby> or omap_usb it
Jul 25 01:36:02 <PatrickC> its not in dev mode
Jul 25 01:37:36 <rwhitby> so you have no shell on it at all
Jul 25 01:37:42 <PatrickC> no
Jul 25 01:37:50 <PatrickC> it has a broken touchscreen
Jul 25 01:37:55 <PatrickC> and we need to doctor it
Jul 25 01:38:11 <PatrickC> doctor doesn't recognise it when it boots up all the way for some reason
Jul 25 01:39:09 <rwhitby> you'll need to last resort recover it if it's not already in dev mode and vol is broken
Jul 25 01:39:12 <PatrickC> I just bought it for the comms board.. to frankenpre2
Jul 25 01:39:23 <PatrickC> I need nothing off the device
Jul 25 01:39:26 * rwhitby suggests always leaving devices in dev mode
Jul 25 01:39:34 <PatrickC> I got it off ebay
Jul 25 01:39:56 <PatrickC> touchscreen broken, it wasnt in dev mode when I got it, so I couldn't put it in dev mode after I got it
Jul 25 01:40:52 <rwhitby> you'll need to last resort recover it
Jul 25 01:41:01 <PatrickC> how do I do that?
Jul 25 01:41:53 <Xuzz> i think it's on the wiki
Jul 25 01:42:18 <PatrickC> ill check
Jul 25 01:45:47 <PatrickC> rwhitby: http://en.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery ?
Jul 25 01:52:35 <PatrickC> i've got to go
Jul 25 01:52:49 <PatrickC> bb in like 30-40 min.. thanks rwhitby and Xuzz!!!!
Jul 25 02:04:36 <pigsflew> WHOA
Jul 25 02:04:55 <pigsflew> I just put the touchpad in usb drive mode while playing music from amazon cloud player
Jul 25 02:05:00 <pigsflew> and it's still playing
Jul 25 02:05:17 <pigsflew> i didn't expect it to do that
Jul 25 02:05:33 <pigsflew> would that be true of pre-webOS 3.0 as well?
Jul 25 02:06:33 <dwc-> there's an amazon cloud player pre-webos3?
Jul 25 02:06:46 <dwc-> oh, is this just the flash webpage?
Jul 25 02:06:49 <pigsflew> yep
Jul 25 02:06:52 <pigsflew> straight off the web
Jul 25 02:07:36 <pigsflew> actually, i can't imagine trying to use cloud player's interface on the pre2 :) but i meant, did apps continue to operate while in drive mode?
Jul 25 02:31:09 <kill_dano> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8104141/Fullscreen%20capture%207242011%20101813%20PM.bmp         <----- that's what I get with a df -m
Jul 25 02:33:17 <PatrickC> rwhitby: when I go to install libusb, it won't install
Jul 25 02:34:13 * rwhitby wonders what he has to do with that
Jul 25 02:34:52 * NuttyBunny gets his popcorn
Jul 25 02:35:01 <NuttyBunny> hi rwhitby btw :)
Jul 25 02:35:31 <PatrickC> rwhitby: the wiki (http://en.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery ) says its required
Jul 25 02:36:30 <kill_dano> could someone take a look at my partition sizes in that picture and see what looks full? something is causing Uberkenel on my TP to say the device is full and not install
Jul 25 02:37:23 <kill_dano> what's /dev/mapper/store-root ?
Jul 25 02:37:27 <rwhitby> kill_dano: you have filled /
Jul 25 02:37:46 <kill_dano> could it be because of ubuntu?
Jul 25 02:37:57 <rwhitby> which means you installed something when you didn't have something mounted, and it ended up filling / (which shouldn't normally be writeable)
Jul 25 02:38:17 <kill_dano> oh. yeah I did do that :(
Jul 25 02:38:26 <NuttyBunny> who uses df -m? I use df -h
Jul 25 02:38:30 <NuttyBunny> I'm human ;)
Jul 25 02:38:42 <kill_dano> so can I use internalz or what should I do to fix>?
Jul 25 02:39:04 <rwhitby> kill_dano: unmount /media/ext3fs, then check to see if there are files in the occluded directory
Jul 25 02:40:12 <kill_dano> ok thanks
Jul 25 02:46:24 <gQuigs> Hi all, trying to do a webos 2.1 updated on a Palm Pre Plus, but stuck on profile screen
Jul 25 02:46:47 <gQuigs> I don't have a dataplan so usually have 3g off, and it doesn't seem to want me to connect to WiFi
Jul 25 02:47:55 <gQuigs> trying to manually connect gives me: iwconfig eth0 essid "BnE"
Jul 25 02:47:56 <gQuigs> Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :
Jul 25 02:47:56 <gQuigs>     SET failed on device eth0 ; Connection refused.
Jul 25 02:47:58 <gQuigs> using novacom
Jul 25 02:48:39 <kill_dano> can someone smarter than me give me the command to unmount /media/ext3fs
Jul 25 02:48:48 <kill_dano> umount not workin
Jul 25 02:49:04 <NuttyBunny> kill_dano: umount /media/ext3fs ;)
Jul 25 02:49:09 <rwhitby> you will need to not be using it first
Jul 25 02:49:56 <NuttyBunny> bbl
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