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Jul 31 04:12:31 <PatrickC> scoutcamper: ping
Jul 31 04:12:57 <scoutcamper> PatrickC, pong
Jul 31 04:13:22 <PatrickC> I used the source, and found out how to bypass activation.. its a .patch ..
Jul 31 04:13:31 <iam070> hi, i wanna ask how to load custom kernel for pre+ with novacom boot mem:// < uImage
Jul 31 04:14:30 <PatrickC> scoutcamper: my question.. why not distribute the .patch in the feeds?
Jul 31 04:14:54 <scoutcamper> PatrickC, ask rwhitby  or oil
Jul 31 04:15:06 <scoutcamper> im not familiar with it
Jul 31 04:15:08 <PatrickC> ok.. rwhitby ping?
Jul 31 04:22:35 <pigsflew> has anyone released a package through the precentral feeds before?
Jul 31 04:22:57 <PatrickC> yes
Jul 31 04:23:25 <pigsflew> I think i must have done something wrong with setting up my package, because people trying to download it are... simply failing to download
Jul 31 04:23:40 <pigsflew> preware spins forever
Jul 31 04:23:40 <PatrickC> what is it?
Jul 31 04:24:00 <pigsflew> It's "Increase Touchpad Volume" under Other ->Linux Application -> Utilities
Jul 31 04:24:15 <PatrickC> I don't have a TP
Jul 31 04:24:22 <pigsflew> the ipk is also here: http://pigsflew.com/downloads/webos/
Jul 31 04:24:27 <pigsflew> ahh
Jul 31 04:24:47 <pigsflew> well all it does is drops an upstart script in postinst which calls asound
Jul 31 04:24:52 <pigsflew> and in prerm removes that script
Jul 31 04:25:48 <pigsflew> i'm wondering if my CONTROL file is wrong or something
Jul 31 04:27:22 <PatrickC> no clue.. sorry..
Jul 31 04:27:32 <rwhitby> pigsflew: do you have the Location field in your Source: line?
Jul 31 04:27:53 <pigsflew> No--does that need to be set to the url for the file?
Jul 31 04:28:15 <PatrickC> rwhitby: quick question: why don't you distribute the bypass-activation.patch in preware?
Jul 31 04:28:17 <pigsflew> or wait...
Jul 31 04:28:18 <rwhitby> yep, since precentral no longer has packages at a computable address, so it needs to be specified
Jul 31 04:28:33 <rwhitby> PatrickC: has someone submitted it?
Jul 31 04:28:42 <PatrickC> don't think so
Jul 31 04:28:46 <PatrickC> I couldn't find it today
Jul 31 04:28:47 <rwhitby> that would be the reason then
Jul 31 04:29:01 <PatrickC> I didn't know if you had a reason..
Jul 31 04:29:09 <pigsflew> interesting--how does one find out what that will be before submitting it?
Jul 31 04:29:31 <PatrickC> rwhitby: is it open for submission?
Jul 31 04:29:43 <rwhitby> pigsflew: good question - one for PreCentral, since they designed their URL scheme, not me.
Jul 31 04:29:58 <rwhitby> PatrickC: what does the submission page say?
Jul 31 04:30:10 <PatrickC> I havent been there recently..
Jul 31 04:30:14 * PatrickC goes to check
Jul 31 04:30:18 * rwhitby wonders how many times he will need to say things like that before PatrickC learns ...
Jul 31 04:30:49 <pigsflew> thank you again rwhitby, I'll find that out tomorrow, for tonight I'll just fix the package :)
Jul 31 04:30:50 <scoutcamper> PatrickC, what would the point be? if you are in preware to install that patch you are already past its need
Jul 31 04:31:15 <PatrickC> scoutcamper: it enables activation over wifi
Jul 31 04:31:24 <PatrickC> for an actual palm-profile login
Jul 31 04:31:32 <PatrickC> vs Impostah
Jul 31 04:31:39 <scoutcamper> impostah does it just fine
Jul 31 04:31:45 <rwhitby> not on 1.4.5
Jul 31 04:31:52 <scoutcamper> ok, thats true
Jul 31 04:32:11 <PatrickC> impostah does not bring back my apps, launcher pages, accounts, signatures, cookies, etc.
Jul 31 04:32:26 <rwhitby> actually, it can.
Jul 31 04:32:36 <PatrickC> I couldn't find that.. where is it?
Jul 31 04:32:46 <PatrickC> its not in the activation scene?
Jul 31 04:32:48 <rwhitby> the restore button on the backups page
Jul 31 04:33:00 <rwhitby> you can even choose an earlier backup if you like
Jul 31 04:33:04 * PatrickC goes to check
Jul 31 04:34:05 <PatrickC> awesome!
Jul 31 04:34:15 <PatrickC> why don't you have it run the most recent on signin?
Jul 31 04:34:19 <rwhitby> but I would recommend using the patch for 1.4.5, since I only test Impostah on 2.x and later.
Jul 31 04:34:45 <rwhitby> PatrickC: because that would conflict with many other uses of the activation page
Jul 31 04:34:56 <PatrickC> ah true
Jul 31 04:35:17 <PatrickC> maybe a popup option? if the user has a backup?
Jul 31 04:36:29 <rwhitby> no
Jul 31 04:36:34 <PatrickC> ok..
Jul 31 04:36:48 <rwhitby> Impostah is not for naive users.
Jul 31 04:37:13 * PatrickC didn't know about the backups thing.. but uses Impostah all the time
Jul 31 04:37:24 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> hey rwhitby :)
Jul 31 04:37:38 <PatrickC> hey NuttyBunny_Pre2
Jul 31 04:38:08 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> hey! got your email
Jul 31 04:38:19 <PatrickC> cool! look better? ;)
Jul 31 04:47:27 <iamlxm> is there anyone that is familiar with the kernel of webos?
Jul 31 04:49:09 <rwhitby> yes
Jul 31 04:49:27 <rwhitby> what's your kernel development background?
Jul 31 04:49:49 <rwhitby> (so I know how much knowledge to assume)
Jul 31 04:51:15 <pigsflew> rwhitby, sorry to be a pain, but do you know how often the precentral feed updates?
Jul 31 04:52:09 <rwhitby> pigsflew: let me check
Jul 31 04:52:37 <pigsflew> actually, if I can check things like that myself--where would I go to look?
Jul 31 04:53:10 * pigsflew prefers to learn to fish :)
Jul 31 04:53:22 <rwhitby> pigsflew: that one you can't since it's a cron job
Jul 31 04:53:26 <pigsflew> ah
Jul 31 04:53:50 <rwhitby> pigsflew: the autobuilder runs every 15 minutes if idle.  the precentral feed is checked for changes every hour
Jul 31 04:54:16 <rwhitby> pigsflew: I will point you to logs.nslu2-linux.org where you can see the autobuilder logs
Jul 31 04:55:13 <rwhitby> iamlxm: did you have a question about the kernel?
Jul 31 05:17:47 <pigsflew> Hey, it's fixed :) Thanks rwhitby!
Jul 31 05:34:25 <iamlxm> oh, sorry rwhitby.
Jul 31 05:35:39 <iamlxm> i followed the intoduce of custom kernel in the webos-internals wiki, compiled a uImage
Jul 31 05:35:56 <rwhitby> that page is way out of date
Jul 31 05:36:50 <rwhitby> iamlxm: http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/testing-kernels is where we build the testing kernel feed
Jul 31 05:37:09 <iamlxm> turn pre+ into recovery mode, then use novacom boot mem:// < uImage, pre+ successfully boot up, but i cat /proc/version,
Jul 31 05:37:21 <iamlxm> i found that the kernel is not mine
Jul 31 05:38:05 <rwhitby> your boot probably failed and it fell back to the stock kernel
Jul 31 05:38:43 <iamlxm> automated?
Jul 31 05:38:49 <rwhitby> yep
Jul 31 05:38:55 <iamlxm> =.=
Jul 31 05:39:07 <rwhitby> panic reboots, memload is in mem only
Jul 31 05:39:38 <iamlxm> the compiler i used is (Sourcery G++ Lite 2011.03-42) 4.5.2
Jul 31 05:40:10 <rwhitby> iamlxm: all the information about how to successfully build kernels is in that repo, not any wiki pages.
Jul 31 05:41:11 <rwhitby> iamlxm: git repository
Jul 31 05:41:22 <rwhitby> http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/
Jul 31 05:42:31 <iamlxm> rwhitby: you mean that i should repo the kernel in webos-internals git?
Jul 31 05:43:01 <rwhitby> iamlxm: I mean if you want to replicate our success in building kernels that build, then all the information is in that repo.
Jul 31 05:43:50 <iamlxm> ok, thx
Jul 31 05:44:00 <iamlxm> i will hava a try
Jul 31 05:44:39 <rwhitby> and the patches we use are in http://git.webos-internals.org/kernels/patches
Jul 31 05:46:33 <iamlxm> u r kind , see u.
Jul 31 05:53:24 <Abyssul> What kernel would you guys suggest for pre2?
Jul 31 05:54:44 <rwhitby> one of the stable ones
Jul 31 06:03:58 <Abyssul> They are all experimental
Jul 31 06:06:44 <Abyssul> My sprintified pre 2 made from GSM only shows kernels from the testing feeds
Jul 31 06:43:03 <cryptk> Abyssul, that is because you have the testing kernel feed enabled... the versions in that feed are newer, as such preware shows you the latest version
Jul 31 06:43:15 <cryptk> if you disable the kernel testing feed, you will see the lower versions in the stable feed
Jul 31 07:04:55 <joy> hello?
Jul 31 07:05:13 <joy> can any1 help me
Jul 31 07:05:26 <pigsflew> depends on what you need :)
Jul 31 07:07:41 <rwhitby> ~ask
Jul 31 07:07:42 <infobot> Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
Jul 31 07:11:24 <dtzWill> why is everyone against me :(
Jul 31 07:11:41 <dtzWill> http://instantrimshot.com/
Jul 31 07:13:03 <dtzWill> oh, looks like we missed our user in distress
Jul 31 07:21:54 <pigsflew> rwhitby, So I figured out what the pattern is
Jul 31 07:22:50 <pigsflew> whatever the application is named on precentral's listing of it, it lowercases and puts dashes between, and the url is /downloads/that
Jul 31 07:23:06 <pigsflew> except that the name on the page is not necessarily related to the name in the package
Jul 31 07:23:25 <pigsflew> so... yeah, we can guess it in advance, but preware can't
Jul 31 07:39:45 <rwhitby> pigsflew: yep
Jul 31 14:07:17 <haeffb> in order to use SSH from ubuntu to webOS device, do I need to create RSA keys on ubuntu machine? or webos? Or does it matter?
Jul 31 14:07:56 * haeffb thinks they are created on client - which would be ubuntu in this case...
Jul 31 14:08:29 <haeffb> but then I copy the public key to ... where... on the TouchPad?
Jul 31 14:08:39 <RagingMind> you can create them where ever is convenient
Jul 31 14:08:52 <RagingMind> as long as you move/copy the right keys to the right place
Jul 31 14:09:10 <stbuehler> in order to keep the private key private you shouldn't generate it somewhere public
Jul 31 14:09:28 <haeffb> "somewhere public" ?
Jul 31 14:09:37 <haeffb> men's room at the bus station?
Jul 31 14:09:53 <stbuehler> any pc your are not the only admin on
Jul 31 14:10:00 <RagingMind> as long as you have a secure way to transport it and store/remove it then it doesn't matter as much
Jul 31 14:10:03 <haeffb> ok, got that
Jul 31 14:10:34 <haeffb> so, I created keys on my laptop, then copy the id_rsa.pub to /media/internal. Then what?
Jul 31 14:11:02 <haeffb> copy to .ssh/authorized_keys on the TP?
Jul 31 14:11:02 <RagingMind> that's the part I always get lost on
Jul 31 14:11:23 <RagingMind> but remember the server is the phone
Jul 31 14:13:45 <NuttyBunny> I assume /var/home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys
Jul 31 14:14:38 <haeffb> and you can have more than one key in that file... ?
Jul 31 14:14:53 <haeffb> say I wanted to be able to login from multiple clients...
Jul 31 14:15:06 <stbuehler> just cat the .pubs together
Jul 31 14:15:32 <RagingMind> http://en.webos-internals.org/wiki/OpenSSH_Install
Jul 31 14:16:09 * PatrickC doctored about 8 times yesterday.. never lost the USB :D
Jul 31 14:16:17 <stbuehler> it is a good idea to give your ssh keys good "names" in the comment in the .pub file, so you know which to delete if you lose a key
Jul 31 14:24:14 <haeffb> why are computers so picky about spelling?
Jul 31 14:24:47 <haeffb> Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).
Jul 31 14:28:14 <stbuehler> check permissions
Jul 31 19:14:43 <MactavishF> Hi
Jul 31 19:15:03 <MactavishF> Is there anybody who knows how to build a feed?
Jul 31 19:17:00 <PatrickC> yes
Jul 31 19:17:11 <MactavishF> Hi Patrick,
Jul 31 19:17:20 <MactavishF> Could you tell me how?
Jul 31 19:18:44 <PatrickC> lemme grab the link
Jul 31 19:19:22 <MactavishF> thanks
Jul 31 19:19:23 <PatrickC> MactavishF: http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/282230-ipkg-feed-generator-v1-0-a.html
Jul 31 19:19:49 <MactavishF> Nope
Jul 31 19:19:55 <MactavishF> this thing doesn't work
Jul 31 19:20:03 <PatrickC> it should
Jul 31 19:20:14 <MactavishF> I have tried but it get some error
Jul 31 19:20:17 <PatrickC> that's the easiest, (and I believe only public) way to do it
Jul 31 19:20:47 <MactavishF> Yes, I know that. But unluckily, I just keep going get errors.
Jul 31 19:21:05 <PatrickC> you should ask Jason
Jul 31 19:21:10 <PatrickC> sorry, I have no clue
Jul 31 19:21:20 <PatrickC> paste the error. I can try and help
Jul 31 19:21:25 <MactavishF> java -Xmx48m -jar feed.jar Error: Archive entry data.tar.gz is truncated.For input string: "??????15??" java.lang.NumberFormatException: For input string: "??????15??"         at java.lang.NumberFormatException.forInputString(NumberFormatException.java:48)         at java.lang.Integer.parseInt(Integer.java:449)         at java.lang.Integer.parseInt(Integer.java:499)         at ca.canucksoftware.ipkg.Archive.extract(Archiv
Jul 31 19:21:41 <PatrickC> umm.. no clue
Jul 31 19:21:43 <MactavishF> Sorry, it's in a mess. Let me re-send it
Jul 31 19:22:00 <MactavishF> java -Xmx48m -jar feed.jar
Jul 31 19:22:14 <MactavishF> Error: Archive entry data.tar.gz is truncated.For input string: "??????15??"
Jul 31 19:22:28 <MactavishF> java.lang.NumberFormatException: For input string: "??????15??"
Jul 31 19:22:53 <MactavishF>         at java.lang.NumberFormatException.forInputString(NumberFormatException.java:48)
Jul 31 19:23:09 <MactavishF>         at java.lang.Integer.parseInt(Integer.java:449)
Jul 31 19:23:19 <MactavishF>         at java.lang.Integer.parseInt(Integer.java:499)
Jul 31 19:23:27 <MactavishF>         at ca.canucksoftware.ipkg.Archive.extract(Archive.java:35)
Jul 31 19:23:36 <MactavishF>         at ca.canucksoftware.feedgenerator.Main.writeEntry(Main.java:59)
Jul 31 19:23:43 <MactavishF>         at ca.canucksoftware.feedgenerator.Main.processFiles(Main.java:44)
Jul 31 19:23:53 <MactavishF>         at ca.canucksoftware.feedgenerator.Main.main(Main.java:31)
Jul 31 19:25:54 <MactavishF> ……another question, does anybody know how to flush the dns?
Jul 31 19:29:19 <MactavishF> hi
Jul 31 19:29:55 <MactavishF> ...seems that every body is busy now...
Jul 31 19:36:45 * haeffb back from the lake and resuming my quest to ssh into the TP. Now I get  "Agent admitted failure to sign using the key."
Jul 31 19:37:12 <haeffb> Is this Agent Smith...and why did he admit failure?
Jul 31 19:37:37 <Abyssul-Pre> anyway to use impostah to trick my Sprint Pre2 to tell the Blackboard app that I use Sprint? it currently reports RoW
Jul 31 19:38:35 <MactavishF> The best way is re-burn your rom...
Jul 31 19:41:26 <NuttyBunny> haeffb: Reminded me of "Who is this General Failure and why is he reading my drive?"
Jul 31 19:41:35 <Abyssul-Pre> There is a carrier option in Impostah but it doesnt over the attribute.
Jul 31 19:41:42 <Abyssul-Pre> overwrite*
Jul 31 19:47:27 <haeffb> ssh-add did the trick
Jul 31 19:51:20 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: you used http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/282230-ipkg-feed-generator-v1-0-a.html right?
Jul 31 19:52:11 <NuttyBunny> yup, nice piece of software
Jul 31 19:52:42 <PatrickC> MactavishF was having a problem with it
Jul 31 19:53:00 <PatrickC> MactavishF: please pastebin.com the error :)
Jul 31 19:54:31 <haeffb> woot. FIlezilla into the TP!
Jul 31 19:55:09 <PatrickC> cool!!
Jul 31 19:56:01 <MactavishF> I'm connecting to jason via twitter
Jul 31 19:56:36 <PatrickC> bbl
Jul 31 19:57:35 <PatrickC> MactavishF: NuttyBunny has used it, I have not. I use a private feed generator.. sorry :/
Jul 31 20:01:40 <MactavishF> wow, how did you made that?
Jul 31 20:05:01 <MactavishF> hi
Jul 31 20:09:13 <MactavishF> People come people go. People sitted here long ago
Jul 31 20:14:05 <MactavishF> Anybody knows how to flush the dns?
Jul 31 20:14:15 <MactavishF> I just wanna refresh it...
Jul 31 20:14:54 <MactavishF> all right.......good night mates. since it's 4:14 am now in my timezone.
Jul 31 21:07:41 <NuttyBunny> I'm back..
Jul 31 21:25:54 <PatrickC> no you arent.. :)
Jul 31 22:14:39 <rwhitby> PatrickC: "(and I believe only public) way to do it" <- every single thing about preware feeds is public, including the scripts to generate them
Jul 31 22:14:55 <PatrickC> rwhitby: really?
Jul 31 22:14:58 <PatrickC> never knew that
Jul 31 22:15:44 <rwhitby> It's only one of the fundamental principles of WebOS Internals.
Jul 31 22:16:12 <PatrickC> how come it didn't get as much attention as Jason's IPK generator?
Jul 31 22:16:24 <rwhitby> because it doesn't have a windows gui
Jul 31 22:16:50 <rwhitby> and it's author is not a writer for precentral.
Jul 31 22:17:36 <PatrickC> ah
Jul 31 22:18:59 <rwhitby> and also because we encourage folks to contribute to common public feeds, rather than setting up private proprietary feeds.
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