**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 03 02:59:57 2011 Aug 03 03:05:01 is virtualboyadvanced in preware? Aug 03 03:06:24 I cant seem to find it Aug 03 03:07:08 ignore that, thanks Aug 03 03:10:27 Hehe Aug 03 03:20:36 Picsel office app is looking swell Aug 03 03:28:07 Do kernel installs remove the openssh service startup? Aug 03 03:28:14 no Aug 03 03:28:59 My openssh service doesnt start on boot Aug 03 03:29:09 and the only thing I've done is install a new kernel Aug 03 03:29:45 did you OTA? Aug 03 03:29:58 Sprint Pre2 via metadoctor 2.1 Aug 03 03:30:11 I had openssh working a hour ago Aug 03 03:30:18 Installed SR71 kernel Aug 03 03:30:24 and now winscp cant connect Aug 03 03:30:30 IP address is the same over wifi Aug 03 03:30:38 oh, you installed an experimental kernel Aug 03 03:30:48 all bets are off then. Aug 03 03:30:49 Well yeah... thats the only kind of kernel for the pre2 Aug 03 03:31:01 I just have to reinstall the openssh package Aug 03 03:31:18 well, you left out the Pre 2 *and* the experimental bit from your original question. Aug 03 03:31:28 Yeah Aug 03 03:31:36 Not a big problem Aug 03 03:31:44 Ill shoot my findings to the kernel thread Aug 03 03:33:23 I can't think of a failure mechanism which would cause a kernel install to stop openssh booting, other than a generic experimental kernel execution corruption Aug 03 03:33:55 (experimental kernels can easily cause CPU execution, memory contents and flash contents to be corrupted without warning) Aug 03 03:34:06 Ill test again to make sure Aug 03 03:34:14 Just a trend I've noticed Aug 03 03:41:33 can you spoof-activate a emulator with Impostah? Aug 03 03:41:51 rwhitby: Went from SR71 to stock kernel and the OpenSSH broke again (previous worked before uninstalling and restart). Aug 03 03:43:26 Gonna try a simple restart without any kernel changes. See if the restart is the problem Aug 03 03:48:36 Nope. Restarting the OS kills the service in general Aug 03 03:48:43 Nothing kernel related Aug 03 03:50:58 Abysmal: is your system mounting the ext3 partition on boot? Aug 03 03:51:19 I dont have a ext3 partition Aug 03 03:51:30 Just regular WebOS installation Aug 03 03:51:36 check /var/log/messages to see if it's failing for some particular reason Aug 03 03:51:39 also, try starting it manual Aug 03 03:51:40 ly Aug 03 03:51:52 Got a command for starting it manually? Aug 03 03:51:58 Ill check the openssh wiki Aug 03 03:52:59 the /opt has to exist for ssh to run right? (keys are there) Aug 03 03:53:24 start mobi.optware.openssh Aug 03 03:53:26 or something like that Aug 03 03:53:38 whatever the name is in /var/palm/event.d/ Aug 03 03:55:18 yep that was the right appid Aug 03 03:55:21 and it did start the service Aug 03 03:55:41 Abyssul: can you edit that file? Aug 03 03:56:10 event.d? I can pull it up in Putty with Vi Aug 03 03:56:15 Abyssul: change the third line to: Aug 03 03:56:16 start on stopped finish and started org.webosinternals.optware Aug 03 03:56:42 then reboot and see if it starts Aug 03 03:56:45 rwhitby: btw when are you pushing the package with that? I know you already committed it with something else Aug 03 03:57:13 dwc-: since I haven't been able to reproduce it, I've been waiting to find someone who can Aug 03 03:59:27 To be clear, Im editing the mobi.optware.openssh file in event.d right? :) Aug 03 03:59:49 yes Aug 03 03:59:54 Rebooting now then :) Aug 03 04:01:27 dwc-: I need to make it stop just before optware stops too Aug 03 04:01:38 Any modem firmware people on tonight? Aug 03 04:01:47 Brad, what for? Aug 03 04:02:10 I'm having tons of trouble with my sprint pre Aug 03 04:02:18 Explain Aug 03 04:02:27 At first I thought a dr would do the trick Aug 03 04:03:07 but now I am stuck at the first use screen Aug 03 04:03:12 with a spinning wheel Aug 03 04:03:38 the original symptoms were failure to charge and intermittent network issues Aug 03 04:03:59 arnt charging issues dealing with tokens? Aug 03 04:04:01 I think I should have tried flashing the modem firmware first... Aug 03 04:04:45 rwhitby: No luck on that Aug 03 04:06:17 hmm Aug 03 04:06:26 grep ssh /var/log/messages ... anything interesting? Aug 03 04:06:30 Is there any way to get to a terminal at this point? Aug 03 04:06:35 spelled everything right as a second guess check Aug 03 04:07:03 Bradmeister1, did the doctor go without a hitch? Aug 03 04:07:05 and actually, check /var/log/messages.0.gz too Aug 03 04:07:59 Now I cant start the device via command Aug 03 04:08:34 start mobi.optware.openssh doesnt work anymore "unknown job" Aug 03 04:08:38 oh, this is good if it's still not doing it Aug 03 04:08:52 reinstalling package now Aug 03 04:08:57 no, wait Aug 03 04:09:06 I cant openssh in o.O Aug 03 04:09:24 it'll be easier to debug if it's doing it still Aug 03 04:09:34 Mmk Aug 03 04:09:43 Now I gotta connect via cable lol Aug 03 04:10:10 see if /opt/sbin/sshd -D starts up Aug 03 04:10:21 if not, what's the error Aug 03 04:10:38 Abyssul: are you getting bitten by the cryptofs bug? Aug 03 04:10:54 Not that I know of. WHat are the symptoms? Aug 03 04:11:57 dwc-, That command just freezes novaterm Aug 03 04:12:06 see if you can ssh in Aug 03 04:12:12 while that is running Aug 03 04:12:41 Nope Aug 03 04:13:39 Tried it via Terminus too Aug 03 04:13:55 Ill grep for ssh Aug 03 04:14:05 oh wait, the firewall might be in the way if your startup script didn't run Aug 03 04:14:40 Abyssul: files get corrupted to 0 bytes when overwritten on a reinstall Aug 03 04:14:52 /usr/sbin/iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT Aug 03 04:16:55 That worked dwc Aug 03 04:17:01 and now you can ssh in? Aug 03 04:17:05 Yea Aug 03 04:17:18 ok, so then there's nothing wrong with sshd or the files it needs... Aug 03 04:17:30 does initctl list still show the mobi.optware? Aug 03 04:17:44 initctl list? :p Aug 03 04:17:51 What was wrong with my ports lol Aug 03 04:18:10 Is there a way to setup an ext3fs partition right from the Touchpad console without Meta Doctor? Aug 03 04:18:13 the default firewall rules drop incoming connections Aug 03 04:18:20 globex, I dont think so Aug 03 04:18:51 dwc, why would it connect though before I restart? Aug 03 04:19:04 Seems weird that it would block the connect after I restart the OS Aug 03 04:19:33 I took the iptables line from the ssh service startup Aug 03 04:19:43 globex: I believe that webos internals is working on it Aug 03 04:19:44 (the event.d file) Aug 03 04:19:57 it normally gets run when the service starts Aug 03 04:20:13 Alright. Thanks Aug 03 04:20:18 initctl list mobi.optware.openssh Aug 03 04:20:32 globex: if you know how to do online lvm resizes, yes. if not, no. Aug 03 04:20:51 That would be no then. :) Aug 03 04:21:09 Is there a way to press the Up Arrow, or Tab in the Xecutah Xterm? Aug 03 04:21:17 No jobs matching that service Aug 03 04:21:36 globex: no, the palm keyboard is lacking. Aug 03 04:21:47 Alright. Aug 03 04:21:50 hmm, sounds like there might be something wrong with that mobi.optware.openssh file then? Aug 03 04:22:04 I can ssh in fine now though o.O Aug 03 04:22:07 * dwc- doesn't know much upstart Aug 03 04:22:08 Thanks Rod Aug 03 04:22:18 yea, because you've invoked sshd by hand Aug 03 04:22:22 Mmm Aug 03 04:22:34 Maybe Rod knows more Aug 03 04:23:02 maybe there's an initctl reload or reread or something Aug 03 04:24:00 The help command doesnt list one Aug 03 04:24:10 respawn? Aug 03 04:24:21 status? Aug 03 04:26:41 ubuntu 10.04 upstart has an initctl reload-configuration Aug 03 04:26:55 doesn't appear to work on my phone Aug 03 04:27:16 10.04 or 11.04n Aug 03 04:27:18 ?* Aug 03 04:27:30 10.04 Aug 03 04:27:58 <-- LTS'er Aug 03 04:28:05 ah Aug 03 04:28:12 I used 10.10 & 11.04 Aug 03 04:28:46 I do need my work machine to be stable, so I can't really deal with ubuntu breaking shit every 6 months Aug 03 04:29:14 who said you had t update? Aug 03 04:29:15 Is there a way to mount a windows share into /media/internal/ Aug 03 04:30:16 or symlink? Aug 03 04:31:19 PuffTheMagic: nobody, if you don't want security updates Aug 03 04:33:14 ohhh ya, cause you are a big hacker target, gotta make sure you are up to date Aug 03 04:34:16 oh, well, that explains all the windows botnets then Aug 03 04:41:36 Wow, finally a fix for the headphone jack stuck problem Aug 03 04:41:58 maybe this is a stupid question, but is there an easy way to change the color scheme of an xterm launched from Xecutah? Aug 03 04:42:13 .Xresources maybe? Aug 03 04:42:47 I googled quickly, couldn't come up with a file name Aug 03 04:42:55 was probably googling the wrong thing Aug 03 04:43:14 also wasn't sure if there was something specific about to Xecutah in terms of config Aug 03 04:46:12 Now I remember the whole reason why I needed SSH to work now... lol Aug 03 04:46:17 2-3 hours of debugging... Aug 03 04:46:35 ? Aug 03 04:47:08 We debugged my SSH problem for a hour or two and I just remembered the whole reason why I needed SSH in the first place Aug 03 04:53:50 by default we don't source any resource files afaik Aug 03 04:54:29 i'm not sure if xterm checks by itself--~/.Xdefaults and whatnot generally do it, but they'd need to be loaded Aug 03 04:54:34 xrdb would do it.. Aug 03 04:54:40 anyway none of that exists yet, or is tested Aug 03 04:54:44 i also would like the change the colors :) Aug 03 04:56:01 dtzWill: what are you trrying to do? Aug 03 04:56:17 oh Aug 03 04:56:26 right Aug 03 04:56:32 nothing, just answer his question about how to set colors or whatnot Aug 03 04:56:33 I doon't know if you need xrdb or not Aug 03 04:56:40 i'd imgaine you could modify the xterm launch parameters if you were so inclined Aug 03 04:56:48 though you were trying to make something like gnome-settings-daemon Aug 03 04:57:01 tmzt: there quite possible is a much shorter path, idk Aug 03 04:57:14 well heh you could just run a more fancy terminal _like_ gnome-terminal from the chroot and set colors :) Aug 03 04:57:34 xterm on dtz X is fast than the plugin version? Aug 03 04:57:45 faster Aug 03 04:58:17 god yes Aug 03 04:58:28 or at least in my limited experience with the plugin version Aug 03 04:58:43 and with improvements to rendering stuff it's even more so, although that's all rough still Aug 03 05:00:04 any speed is faster than something that doesn't work ;) Aug 03 05:03:59 rwhitby: good call ^.^ Aug 03 05:04:29 dtzWill: that's my feeling on randr vs optimisation too Aug 03 05:09:36 rwhitby: well technically the optimizations i'm doing include randr support Aug 03 05:09:45 they just make one orientatio way faster and others slower :P Aug 03 05:10:04 perfect Aug 03 05:10:08 but we'd also want (probably) to extend it so it dynamically resizes as well w.r.t keyboard (and maybe even diff keyboard sizes) Aug 03 05:10:21 but the GL version should be updated to support randr, and possibly first. Aug 03 05:10:28 keep pinging me about it please xD, it's a very valid point. Aug 03 05:19:19 posted this on twitter a few days ago, but: http://twitpic.com/5zcf3z ^___^ Aug 03 05:19:30 gf works at a local cafe part-time and made that on a latte :D Aug 03 05:20:12 just thought you should all know ^.^ Aug 03 05:20:17 true love. so sweet. ;) Aug 03 05:21:59 cute. where can I get one Aug 03 05:29:18 hehe, if you're ever at UIUC in Illinois, i'm sure she'd be delighted to make you one :) Aug 03 05:29:57 that's only ... a little out of the way Aug 03 05:30:01 (my way) Aug 03 05:37:45 Anyway to make govnah profiles permanant? Pulling the battery makes them reset Aug 03 05:37:49 Edit the event.d? Aug 03 05:38:24 Abyssul: govnah intentionally disabled profiles when you have an unclean reboot Aug 03 05:38:44 I know, possiblity of messing the phone up Aug 03 05:38:46 cause when your device reboots due to overclocking, you don't want to get into a reboot loop and need to doctor Aug 03 05:38:51 and not being able to boot Aug 03 05:39:22 so the question is: why are you pulling the battery and causing a catastrophic power failure to all parts of the device? Aug 03 05:39:52 Crap happens :p Aug 03 05:40:17 Just giving my sis this Pre- and I want the profile to remain intact nomatter what she does Aug 03 05:40:41 because I know that Ill open up Govnah at random and the profile will be reset back to default Aug 03 05:40:42 tape the battery compartment shut Aug 03 05:40:52 Duct tape 8) Aug 03 05:40:59 do a controlled device reset every morning at 4am Aug 03 05:41:25 Only thing I hate about that is that it resets your notifications Aug 03 05:42:25 well, if you want your device to do reset loops, just delete the failsafe lines from the upstart script Aug 03 05:42:47 Good idea! :) Aug 03 05:45:52 chmod +s Aug 03 05:47:47 No catalog on unactivated devices? BOOOOOO Aug 03 05:48:30 just log into a profile Aug 03 05:49:04 Impostah? Aug 03 05:49:09 Nope... Aug 03 05:49:16 yes Aug 03 05:49:26 It doesnt show activation tab Aug 03 05:49:30 Its all greyed out Aug 03 05:49:36 ah, 1.4.5 Aug 03 05:49:42 you need 2.1.0 Aug 03 05:49:43 Yea... Aug 03 05:49:47 hehe Aug 03 05:50:00 Could I use the firstuse app to enable a palm profile? Aug 03 05:50:14 there's a patch to enable profile login on 1.4.5 Aug 03 05:50:15 or do I also need to activate too while in firstuse? Aug 03 05:50:24 awesomesauce Aug 03 05:52:02 Homebrew rocks lol Aug 03 05:57:12 ugh, clouds and spinning circle Aug 03 06:04:21 There we go. Took forever to load Aug 03 06:15:00 still wont load catalog Aug 03 07:10:49 morning Aug 03 07:21:43 hey swisstomcat Aug 03 07:22:05 hey rwhitby Aug 03 10:04:52 Hi all Aug 03 10:05:18 been trying to openvpn my touchpad with the openvpn optware Aug 03 10:05:36 but I don't know how to launch the vpn session Aug 03 10:05:44 with a term ? or... ? Aug 03 10:12:16 openvpn --config foo.conf Aug 03 10:12:23 In a terminal, yep. Aug 03 10:14:37 thanks Aug 03 10:15:08 and where can I find a terminal in preware ? I found only Xterm which require a specific firmware Aug 03 10:15:56 I use sdlterminal because no other tool worked for me, but iirc, I installed it manually (downloaded the installer and installed that via preware) Aug 03 10:16:06 I think, "Terminus" also works Aug 03 10:16:36 do you have a link for those ipks ? Aug 03 10:17:16 dl'd sdlterm from preware and there were no new icons added Aug 03 10:18:02 terminus is in preware Aug 03 10:18:28 sdlterminal too Aug 03 10:18:47 Installation worked fine for me. You could also try to launch it from preware Aug 03 10:18:51 sdlterminal yes, but terminus... I really didn't find !! Aug 03 10:19:25 there was no 'launch' button after install... that's really odd... thought it was normal Aug 03 10:20:04 I have it here :) It's in the feed "WebOS Internals", Category "System Utilities", Type "Application" Aug 03 10:21:01 in fact I remember now: sdlterm won't install, it rolls on and on while on the installation page Aug 03 10:22:32 looking for terminus now ;) Aug 03 10:23:19 nope, no terminus where you pointed me at Aug 03 10:23:40 are you sure it's on touchpad 3.0.2 ? Aug 03 10:23:51 with no flux added ? Aug 03 12:48:06 hi, is someone here working on navit? Aug 03 13:46:50 hey tatsuyanakada (or tatsuyanakadai ?), if you still have trouble with making sdlterminal install, you should just install it with WebOSQuickInstall, it should work... **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 03 14:05:28 2011 Aug 03 14:37:10 Anyone know where Preware backs up the kernel files that it modifies?...or any other files that it patches... Aug 03 14:37:15 ? Aug 03 14:42:06 I don't know for certain, I thought most of the stuff got installed in /opt Aug 03 14:42:11 but that may have changed Aug 03 14:45:42 I wonder if it does that the patches do and just copies the original files to a *.bak extension and modify the original file. Aug 03 15:52:49 Does anyone know why installing Uberkernel would stop WIFI from turning on? Aug 03 16:03:40 hello Aug 03 16:04:05 hey Aug 03 16:04:41 any chance i could get directed to someone who may be able to talk about the Linphone app Aug 03 16:06:21 you need to talk to either rwhitby or someone named Thibaud Aug 03 16:06:30 Thibaud is not here Aug 03 16:08:07 Thanks Aug 03 16:09:13 it may be middle of the night were rwhitby, I'm never sure of the time differences Aug 03 16:09:36 yeah, it's almost 2am Aug 03 16:09:49 not sure myself. Aug 03 16:09:54 so, I'd say stick around for a while, or come back later Aug 03 16:11:10 I actually tried to build a ipkg for Linphone to run on the emulator, but I probably captured too many files, since they have some different ones for pre/pixi, anyway it didn't run on the emulator so Aug 03 16:13:36 I'm not sure on the specifics of the build process (what's needed or not), so I think you should try and talk to rwhitby when he's around Aug 03 16:33:37 Is there a special term to search under for things like apps returning a blank white screen, instead of the information that should be there? Aug 03 17:15:27 can you install regular .deb packages in the chroot on the tp? Aug 03 17:15:38 define regular Aug 03 17:16:04 they need to be arm Aug 03 17:16:08 I download a .deb file from a website that is an installer for a program that runs on Linux Aug 03 17:16:21 not unless it's a packaged arm .deb file Aug 03 17:16:27 ok Aug 03 17:16:54 and even then, it'll need to be built against the version of ubuntu that's in the chroot Aug 03 17:17:07 which is 11.04 Aug 03 17:17:24 has anyone tried running vbox in the chroot? Aug 03 17:17:29 hah Aug 03 17:17:47 * PatrickC ponders a windows VM.. Aug 03 17:17:52 how likely? Aug 03 17:17:53 PatrickC: vbox won't work well Aug 03 17:18:03 not enough RAM? Aug 03 17:18:08 you should do some reading on processor architectures Aug 03 17:18:20 no, again it comes back to arm vs. x86-esque Aug 03 17:18:35 I thought vbox had a mobile version? Aug 03 17:18:39 I'll have to google Aug 03 17:18:43 not as far as I know Aug 03 17:19:21 there's qemu ;) Aug 03 17:20:18 PatrickC: you might also consider doing some reading on virtualization technologies Aug 03 17:20:22 it's not an emulation layer Aug 03 17:21:13 RagingMind: qemu pops up when you look up virtualbox arm Aug 03 17:21:15 :) Aug 03 17:21:37 I'm 90% sure there's no such thing as virtualbox arm Aug 03 17:22:26 there isnt Aug 03 17:44:21 wine also wont work ;) Aug 03 18:17:19 Hello Aug 03 18:18:12 hey Aug 03 18:18:41 Anyone heard from rwhitby today? Aug 03 18:18:50 not yet Aug 03 18:18:57 Thanks Aug 03 18:20:02 well, considering it's about 3:50am where he is... Aug 03 18:20:43 he told me to tell you "zzzzzzzzz" Aug 03 18:20:45 :P Aug 03 18:21:17 lol Aug 03 18:21:37 lol Aug 03 18:21:49 hey dtzWill Aug 03 18:21:59 dtzWill: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4243/dual-core-snapdragon-gpu-performance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-benchmarks/1 Aug 03 18:22:05 see the bottom paragraphs Aug 03 18:22:16 anyone have any updates on the on-device partition resize? Aug 03 18:22:28 "One of the more interesting things about the MDP is that because it's a development platform, not a consumer device sold by an OEM though a carrier, it can either have Vsync enabled or disabled. This is the framerate cap we've seen on virtually every other device, which usually is right around 60 Hz. Through adb, we can turn Vsync on or off on the fly, then reboot Android's surface flinger and run tests. Sadly this procedure, while sim Aug 03 18:23:48 also the paragraph about how apparently commercial devices have it locked ....somehow Aug 03 18:24:05 unclear _why_ personally (why not just left software do what it likes?), but good to know. Aug 03 18:24:19 explains why it wasn't trivial to turn vsync off in our previous efforts Aug 03 18:24:51 wonder how one does so on a dev device, apparently he did it using adb (which i'm assuming means via command-line access a-la novaterm) Aug 03 18:25:27 which is strange--you'd think the benchmark/etc itself would just make the right call.... terminal access suggests something more permanent/global Aug 03 18:27:02 dtzWill: this only applies to MSM devices (the qualcomm chips) Aug 03 18:27:16 dtzWill: you have been able to disable vsync on some of those? pixi, veer, pre2 ? Aug 03 18:27:33 dtzWill: yep, adb == android novacom Aug 03 18:27:53 I wish he had elaborated Aug 03 18:28:08 I looked through the adreno SDK and saw no android app for disabling vsync Aug 03 18:28:28 yeah quick googling doesn't make it clear what was done... Aug 03 18:28:29 maybe he did it through a command, meaning the app is already on the default image on the MSM dev device Aug 03 18:28:36 hmm, maybe. Aug 03 18:28:40 but that image is not available Aug 03 18:28:45 qualcomm == closed Aug 03 18:29:02 linuxjacques_: i haven't tried to disable vsync on any device Aug 03 18:29:10 just helping you attempt to do so :) Aug 03 18:29:14 linuxjacques_, its a source of frustration even for the qualcomm guys Aug 03 18:29:20 i'm happy with vsync and 60fps hehe Aug 03 18:30:00 dtzWill: oh, I was going on "[13:23] <+dtzWill> explains why it wasn't trivial to turn vsync off in our previous efforts" Aug 03 18:30:17 you mean, we tried the trivial things and didn't succeed :-) Aug 03 18:30:25 indeed, sorry. Aug 03 18:30:29 now I understand :-) Aug 03 18:30:34 but i see the ambiguity Aug 03 18:30:42 i still want someone to fix the emoticons on the TP Aug 03 18:30:46 who the hell uses a nose :( Aug 03 18:30:54 lol Aug 03 18:31:04 we're not all lying pinnochio's here :( Aug 03 18:31:16 :----| Aug 03 18:31:25 hahaha Aug 03 18:31:39 ka6sox: you mean the closed-ness is frustrating to the qualcomm guys> Aug 03 18:31:41 ? Aug 03 18:31:46 yes Aug 03 18:31:51 the linux guys Aug 03 18:31:52 ah :-( Aug 03 18:32:05 they do have some nice git repos though Aug 03 18:32:12 codeaurora Aug 03 18:32:17 yup Aug 03 18:32:34 I don't want to give them my first born though Aug 03 18:34:51 dtzWill: I started looking through the kernel patch for vsync stuff. but it's a lot of code/matches Aug 03 18:35:09 better than no code/matches :) Aug 03 18:35:27 I was hoping I could do it through /sys or /proc but I coundn't find anything relevant there Aug 03 18:35:35 dtzWill: true lol Aug 03 18:37:52 so, we need $995 to buy an MSM dev device to figure out how to disable vsync so my GL benchmark will run properly :-) Aug 03 18:38:32 I thought worst case I'd just ask the palm devs on Friday but now I'm not sure they'd be able to tell me Aug 03 18:39:36 linuxjacques_: what's gong on on friday? Aug 03 18:39:42 * dtzWill out of touch, apparently Aug 03 18:39:46 or out of the loop, anyway Aug 03 18:40:27 dtzWill: the 8-5 palm dev day Aug 03 18:40:52 I'll be in sunnyvale for it Aug 03 18:42:14 oh, nice :D Aug 03 18:42:25 <-- jealous :) Aug 03 18:42:42 every time I see sunnyvale I s/v/d/ and think of Buffy Aug 03 18:43:17 and I lived there for 4 years Aug 03 18:43:18 * linuxjacques_ too Aug 03 18:43:30 sunnyvale, not sunnydale Aug 03 18:44:19 assuming you survived it would probably be more fun to spend 4 years in sunnydale ;) Aug 03 18:44:33 more ... interesting Aug 03 18:44:38 in the Chinese sense Aug 03 18:45:35 not sure how that's specifically Chinese Aug 03 18:46:00 RagingMind, "May you live in interesting times" Aug 03 18:47:22 ancient Chinese proverb Aug 03 18:47:25 rather, curse Aug 03 18:48:04 in that sense, interesting means chaotic, dangerous, etc/ Aug 03 18:50:53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_in_interesting_times Aug 03 18:51:53 well, with the efforts of the Tea party we're heading in "interesting" directions Aug 03 18:52:15 yes, I'm afraid we are all living in interesting times Aug 03 19:13:21 I'm installing the recommended OS for WIDK (for once) Aug 03 19:13:42 ubuntu desktop LTS 10.04.3 32-bit Aug 03 19:13:56 (in a kvm vm) Aug 03 19:32:07 am I still here? we just had a power outaage Aug 03 19:32:19 yup Aug 03 19:32:32 yep Aug 03 19:32:47 ka6sox: how's the on-device resize comin? Aug 03 19:33:11 time is all I need Aug 03 19:33:11 PatrickC, patience grasshopper Aug 03 19:33:18 ok Aug 03 19:34:46 power grid is probably way overloaded Aug 03 19:34:52 Is the Kalemsoft media player the only media player for WebOS? Aug 03 19:34:53 yesterday was record usage Aug 03 19:35:00 today is at least as hot Aug 03 19:35:03 Koto Aug 03 19:35:06 ^ RavenII Aug 03 19:35:10 and my app Aug 03 19:35:10 RavenII, no. we have Koto Player, and mplayer Aug 03 19:35:25 and music player remix Aug 03 19:35:39 Sorry... media to me = video. Aug 03 19:35:47