**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 05 02:59:56 2011 Aug 05 03:20:19 * scoutcamper mumbles something about never looking at zdnet again Aug 05 03:30:15 * PatrickC thinks the same thing.. Aug 05 03:30:29 * dwc- never really did Aug 05 03:30:38 Now I cant meta-doctor >.> Aug 05 03:30:46 metametameta Aug 05 03:31:19 I occasionally looked.. not anymore Aug 05 03:32:21 So the Facebook exhibition is nice Aug 05 03:33:19 yep Aug 05 04:25:33 I hate the catalog... Aug 05 04:28:17 why? Aug 05 04:28:43 Doesn't want to work with my Pre-. Keeps giving errors Aug 05 04:41:58 HP academy + $100 rebate + $30 coupon = My price range for TP Aug 05 04:44:20 Is the fact that an app is in the web feed enough to allow it to install on a pre+ with 2.1.0 installed but 1.4.5 in profile even if the app requires 2.1+? Aug 05 04:44:41 or do I just not understand what the advantage of the web feed is :) Aug 05 04:44:44 What web feed? Aug 05 04:45:17 heh Aug 05 04:45:29 Lazar_DobrescuH: the web feed is for apps to be distributed without being checked first, and not being in the official catalog, right rwhitby ? Aug 05 04:45:42 I thouht they discontinued the web feed Aug 05 04:45:50 along with the beta and app catalog feed Aug 05 04:45:54 they discontinued public access to such Aug 05 04:45:59 ^ Aug 05 04:46:00 I see Aug 05 04:46:34 Only thing that shows up in preware now is webosinternals stuff and precentral apps/themes Aug 05 04:46:48 yep Aug 05 04:46:57 cause the public beta feeds were taken down Aug 05 04:46:59 and web Aug 05 04:47:10 ok Aug 05 04:47:40 hm what about the popular app "Music Player (Remix) Web Feed Edition".. wth does that mean :) Aug 05 04:47:55 strangely that is like the 1st google result when I search palm pre web feed :) Aug 05 04:48:06 not sure Aug 05 04:48:48 The author has his own feed that he shares with his followers Aug 05 04:48:56 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.hedami.mprweb visit this link on your webOS phone to see what its about :) Aug 05 04:48:57 To test his app before sending it to the app catalog Aug 05 04:49:07 Abyssul: its an official feed, just not public Aug 05 04:49:14 you need the link to access it Aug 05 04:49:26 Meh, idk. just a guess Aug 05 04:49:39 see link above :) Aug 05 04:50:49 well, when I visit that link it pops the app catalog app which says I can't install that on my current OS :( Aug 05 04:51:07 what OS are you running? 14.5? Aug 05 04:51:09 1.4.5* Aug 05 04:51:10 2.1 Aug 05 04:51:14 but my profile says 1.4.5 Aug 05 04:51:17 (att pre+) Aug 05 04:51:18 ah Aug 05 04:51:23 that's why.. Aug 05 04:51:25 yeah Aug 05 04:51:33 wait, the meta-doctor didn't masq? Aug 05 04:51:42 He might've used an old script Aug 05 04:51:44 I understand... but the developer of this app seemed to tout the web feed as allowing it even in this case Aug 05 04:51:46 nah Aug 05 04:51:51 I doctored like 2-3 weeks ago Aug 05 04:51:59 odd.. Aug 05 04:52:00 When was the last time you did a git pull though Aug 05 04:52:07 I did a pull for that doctor :) Aug 05 04:52:11 oh ok Aug 05 04:52:17 it's supposed to mask what Aug 05 04:52:37 its suppose to tell the servers you are running 2.1 I thought... Aug 05 04:52:41 I dont think it can Aug 05 04:52:56 it does on my vzw pre+ and sprint pre- Aug 05 04:53:03 the wiki page says for att pre+: Aug 05 04:53:04 You will end up with version 1.40.50 listed in your palm profile, and version 2.1.0 listed in the Device Info application. Aug 05 04:53:04 You will not be able to purchase apps that require a minimum webOS 2.x version. Aug 05 04:53:17 ah Aug 05 04:53:24 maybe an ATT specific thing Aug 05 04:53:46 there are 3-4 carriers with that sad stuff ;( Aug 05 04:54:17 was just wondering if the web feed was supposed to help that Aug 05 04:54:24 nope Aug 05 04:54:38 Impostah can help (I think) but only with free apps Aug 05 04:57:55 or apps you have already purchased Aug 05 04:58:08 ah cool Aug 05 04:58:31 that's such a weird limitation :) Aug 05 04:58:48 Lazar_DobrescuH: its a *legal* limitation Aug 05 05:00:41 Wow, I just read all the HP + WebOSinternals relationship controversy Aug 05 05:01:12 Abyssul, enlighten me Aug 05 05:02:27 Jack: you don't want to know Aug 05 05:02:55 zdnet writer making insinuations about WOSI that aren't true Aug 05 05:03:05 that's basically the gist of it Aug 05 05:03:06 Just follow Webosinternals twitter replies over the past 24 hours Aug 05 05:03:08 PatrickC, hum.. what happened Aug 05 05:03:35 zdnet said crap about wOSI.. and then acted like a jerk about it Aug 05 05:03:42 * Jack87 doesnt use or know how to twitter Aug 05 05:03:45 (oops... past 3 hours) Aug 05 05:04:14 link? Aug 05 05:04:29 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/hp-if-you-want-folks-to-hack-the-touchpad-then-open-source-it/18013?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TechBroiler+%28Tech+Broiler%29 Aug 05 05:04:32 Original article Aug 05 05:04:42 jack87, http://summatusmentis.com/2011/08/05/differences-between-a-community-and-unpaid-under-the-table-labor/ Aug 05 05:04:54 Response by a community member Aug 05 05:05:08 PatrickC: it's important to recognize the difference between zdnet, and a zdnet writer Aug 05 05:05:21 thanks Aug 05 05:05:28 jkendrick writes for zdnet, and was not acting like a jerk, as an example Aug 05 05:05:32 Oh, its you summatusmentis :p Aug 05 05:05:39 it is :) Aug 05 05:05:43 lol Aug 05 05:05:43 Nice article Aug 05 05:05:46 summatusmentis: ah.. yeah sorry Aug 05 05:05:48 thank you Aug 05 05:05:58 I never read the link url til now Aug 05 05:06:10 PatrickC: no worries, specificity just seems important in this instance in particular Aug 05 05:07:07 Abyssul: no big, I didn't write it for the recognition Aug 05 05:08:02 rwhitby is magical.... Aug 05 05:08:35 * Jack87 is about to read articles Aug 05 05:19:09 Wish you can change the exhibition Facebook settings Aug 05 05:19:17 The animation is cool though Aug 05 05:19:21 I kinda like it Aug 05 05:19:25 Reminds me of WP7 Aug 05 05:19:32 I wish you could choose dark colors though :/ Aug 05 05:19:37 Yeah Aug 05 05:19:42 Inverted :p Aug 05 05:19:46 Patch time! Aug 05 05:19:49 w/o changing the appinfo.json and index.html :) Aug 05 05:19:51 haha Aug 05 05:19:54 can we? Aug 05 05:19:57 Possible Aug 05 05:20:10 Change the text color in the css and see if the background is in the css or a image Aug 05 05:20:11 I know its possible, but is it allowed? Aug 05 05:20:18 Yeah? Why not Aug 05 05:20:29 is it an open source app? Aug 05 05:20:30 patches arnt limited to the OS Aug 05 05:20:39 its not a stock app, its a third-party app Aug 05 05:20:46 So? Aug 05 05:21:01 I didn't think you could change the code of a closed source app... Aug 05 05:21:20 s/could/could legally/ Aug 05 05:21:20 PatrickC_ meant: I didn't think you could legally change the code of a closed source app... Aug 05 05:22:41 wow this guy is just ignorant and talking about something he doesn't understand Aug 05 05:23:05 Jack87, yep Aug 05 05:23:56 even if you don't know anything about webOS an outside reader could pick up on his ignorance Aug 05 05:26:53 haha NuttyBunny Aug 05 05:27:41 I told him that too lol Aug 05 05:27:52 s/that/that it was funny/ Aug 05 05:27:53 PatrickC_ meant: I told him that it was funny too lol Aug 05 05:27:53 Time to rip apart the FB app Aug 05 05:28:03 its 2 lines... Aug 05 05:28:07 or should be Aug 05 05:28:18 "theme": "dark" Aug 05 05:28:32 and Aug 05 05:28:40 Yeah something like that Aug 05 05:29:04 the "theme" goes in the apinfo.json Aug 05 05:29:17 and the goes in index.html Aug 05 05:29:29 a dock.css, perfect! Aug 05 05:29:51 ah cool! Aug 05 05:30:54 background is e5e7ec Aug 05 05:30:59 What is the dark theme equivalant Aug 05 05:32:00 Ill just look at preware Aug 05 05:32:25 I believe preware just uses the dark theme.. Aug 05 05:32:32 not custom CSS.. but I might be wrong Aug 05 05:32:53 wow, just crashed the openssh service... Aug 05 05:33:11 how? Aug 05 05:33:25 idk, winscp stopped working and now it wont connect Aug 05 05:36:02 Abyssul: I'll get you a good dark color.. I used it in my app before I did dark theme Aug 05 05:36:05 hold on.. Aug 05 05:36:25 Anything thats nice. Aug 05 05:36:35 it is Aug 05 05:36:51 #3B3B3B Aug 05 05:36:56 A text color and background color Aug 05 05:37:09 that's a dark colow Aug 05 05:37:12 color* Aug 05 05:37:14 Yea Aug 05 05:37:21 so white should be the text color Aug 05 05:37:43 I think the original background color could work as the text color Aug 05 05:37:51 White text can be harsh and too contrasting Aug 05 05:38:21 yeah Aug 05 05:39:13 summatusmentis: thanks for your article Aug 05 05:42:14 finally, winscp working Aug 05 05:43:23 Pandora has the palm appid? Cheaters.... Aug 05 05:43:38 palm appid? Aug 05 05:43:50 com.palm.(appname) Aug 05 05:44:04 Allows access to certain APIs Aug 05 05:44:17 but that name isnt allowed in the App Catalog Aug 05 05:44:18 ah Aug 05 05:44:28 facebook uses it Aug 05 05:44:37 Because Palm made it Aug 05 05:44:46 not the one for the Pre Aug 05 05:44:46 Palm didnt make pandora... or did they? o.O Aug 05 05:45:00 Palm made the facebook for Touchpad Aug 05 05:45:02 not phones Aug 05 05:45:05 They made it for the phone too Aug 05 05:45:13 Willing to bet 100 bucks on it Aug 05 05:45:37 wow.. I guess they did.. Aug 05 05:45:44 just looked at the appinfo.json... Aug 05 05:45:49 mmhmm Aug 05 05:45:57 * PatrickC is happy he didn't take that bet.. Aug 05 05:46:07 Wow Aug 05 05:46:13 What should I do with the header color Aug 05 05:46:14 what? Aug 05 05:46:21 screenshot Aug 05 05:46:29 lets see what it looks like Aug 05 05:46:31 You know how its blue? Aug 05 05:46:36 What color? Darker blue? Aug 05 05:46:46 lemme look again Aug 05 05:46:52 just to refresh my brain :) Aug 05 05:47:09 yeah Aug 05 05:47:14 like a royal or navy Aug 05 05:48:41 does webos quick install work on osx 10.7 ? Aug 05 05:48:47 mac os x lion ? Aug 05 05:49:30 I don't see why it wouldnt.. but I haven't tried it yet.. don't have osx /yet/ Aug 05 05:50:43 bhuey: most here don't use webOS quick install. try precentral forum there should be a thread on it Aug 05 05:51:35 but its just a java program. so as long as OSX lion supports java and the novacom driver it should be fine Aug 05 05:52:21 luna restart should reflect my app patch changes :) Aug 05 05:53:11 this is great! http://www.costco.com/Browse/ProductSet.aspx?Prodid=11671098&search=bluetooth&Mo=18&cm_re=1_en-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&lang=en-US&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Sp=S&N=5000043&whse=BC&Dx=mode+matchallpartial& Aug 05 05:53:11 ;Ntk=Text_Search&Dr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ne=4000000&D=bluetooth&Ntt=bluetooth&No=4&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&topnav=&s=1 Aug 05 05:53:28 I need url shortner Aug 05 05:53:49 bit.ly Aug 05 05:54:02 damn you openssh!! Aug 05 05:54:11 Jack87: novacom drive won't install under my Lion installation Aug 05 05:54:24 Use the new 3.0.2 novacom Aug 05 05:54:39 url ? Aug 05 05:55:02 http://developer.palm.com Aug 05 05:55:07 Located in the new SDK Aug 05 05:55:19 check this out guys http://tinyurl.com/3jb8smq Aug 05 05:55:30 thought I heard Lion support Aug 05 05:55:43 dont fill this place with iphone crap o.O Aug 05 05:56:32 haha did you look at it? Aug 05 05:56:50 yea, how else would I know its iphone related Aug 05 05:57:07 its funny as hell Aug 05 05:57:45 greatest form of flattery they call that right? Aug 05 05:58:26 Abyssul: how's it look? Aug 05 05:58:44 I cant get winscp to work again Aug 05 05:59:05 why do you need it? Aug 05 05:59:07 PatrickC_: did you get a look at that? Aug 05 05:59:37 Jack87: redirected me to the mobile home site Aug 05 05:59:40 lemme try again Aug 05 05:59:50 zomg doom3/id tech 4 source release :D Aug 05 06:00:12 hmm, wrong channel, sorry :) Aug 05 06:00:57 hehe dtzWill this feels like dajavu Aug 05 06:01:16 Jack87: hahhahahah Aug 05 06:01:29 * PatrickC sees a slate webOS phone with a keyboard Aug 05 06:03:34 dtzWill: let the porting beggin (after you sleep) Aug 05 06:03:49 haha :) Aug 05 06:03:54 rofl doom3 Aug 05 06:04:00 i'll get right on that lolol Aug 05 06:04:13 anyway it's not out yet, later this year apparently. just very happy that it's bein released Aug 05 06:04:21 looks what's been done with the tech3 engine, it's glorious Aug 05 06:05:08 indeed Aug 05 06:06:45 whoa touchpad's on woot! Aug 05 06:06:52 yep, thats old news :p Aug 05 06:07:01 yeah, about an hour old by my judge Aug 05 06:07:07 errr i forget what tz woot is... Aug 05 06:07:34 used to checked it daily a good while ago, but.... not anymore. not sure what happend, always kinda blamed it on decreased good-ness Aug 05 06:07:38 Abyssul: why do you need ssh to change the files? Aug 05 06:07:52 graphical interface is easy to manipulate files Aug 05 06:08:00 Im about to go old school though Aug 05 06:08:07 howso? Aug 05 06:08:17 I just use Internalz/Nova-Browser Aug 05 06:09:07 link to TP woot? Aug 05 06:09:13 Jack87: woot.com ? Aug 05 06:09:33 hehe thank Aug 05 06:09:39 sold...13 so far Aug 05 06:09:40 lol Aug 05 06:09:42 * Jack87 is writing Aug 05 06:10:08 * Jack87 meant to say he is wircing Aug 05 06:10:28 Restarting luna now Aug 05 06:10:45 that's not a bad deal for 16gig Aug 05 06:11:05 * PatrickC gets a 32GB for less then that Aug 05 06:11:21 its $399 or $389 on Woot right now, right? Aug 05 06:12:17 ah.. nvm.. my 32GB is $10 more.. Aug 05 06:12:50 PatrickC, it works but a work in progress Aug 05 06:12:51 PatrickC_: how you manage that? Aug 05 06:13:01 Its not as fluid as the original theme, but it has potential Aug 05 06:13:05 35% off Aug 05 06:13:15 Abyssul: screen shots? Aug 05 06:13:18 Getting it :) Aug 05 06:13:26 (on the pre.. so would have to disconnect to try) :) Aug 05 06:13:38 Jack87: I'm a brown belt with loyalty discount Aug 05 06:14:15 http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d182/hardwick246/photos-temp-1jpg.jpg Aug 05 06:14:40 looks much better Aug 05 06:14:49 needs a darker background Aug 05 06:14:52 Yea Aug 05 06:14:58 just do background-color: black Aug 05 06:15:01 see what happens Aug 05 06:15:04 and the text is black lol Aug 05 06:15:14 haha just noticed that Aug 05 06:17:06 Restarting Aug 05 06:17:36 Its so much easier to edit files in winscp than using nova-browser + notepad++ Aug 05 06:18:13 I just tar the dir and use ST2 and palm-package palm-install Aug 05 06:18:26 Pfft Aug 05 06:18:30 Thats too much work Aug 05 06:18:43 its like 3 commands.. Aug 05 06:18:49 rwhitby: what do you say next scale we use touchpad Skype to tune you in Aug 05 06:18:58 tar -cvzf facebook.tar com.palm.app.facebook Aug 05 06:19:25 Its looking better Aug 05 06:19:53 rwhitby, I like Jack87 's idea Aug 05 06:19:58 I'm trying something here Aug 05 06:20:05 you can chill on my TP instead of a laptop Aug 05 06:20:21 then I can get pics of Adora swooning over my TP ;) Aug 05 06:20:23 PatrickC, The quote and border images are miscolored and awkward Aug 05 06:20:34 huh? Aug 05 06:20:49 hehe and when Adora picks you up for a kiss it will be much more poetic Aug 05 06:21:05 Abyssul: they are just images Aug 05 06:21:26 edit them with something like Inkscape/Paint/Photoshop/etc. :) Aug 05 06:21:37 I am Aug 05 06:21:49 The only problem is I dont know how to package images into an ipk Aug 05 06:22:03 just do what I do Aug 05 06:22:05 extract Aug 05 06:22:18 I did Aug 05 06:22:23 I have the files on my desktop :) Aug 05 06:22:44 good man :) Aug 05 06:23:10 How can I pack them into an ipk though Aug 05 06:23:28 ah.. you mean for distribution as a patch... Aug 05 06:23:30 not sure.. Aug 05 06:25:09 Me either lol Aug 05 06:25:35 this.. looks.. awesome! haha Aug 05 06:26:54 What? Aug 05 06:27:11 http://goaruna.com/s/LzltlBGg Aug 05 06:27:45 Abyssul: I think you can just submit the patch file and the builder will do rest (I think someone else clearify) its been a long while since my last patch submission Aug 05 06:28:38 The actual facebook app would take LOTS of work to get a darktheme going Aug 05 06:28:47 The dock is easier Aug 05 06:29:25 in facebook.css Aug 05 06:29:40 change body.app-body's color to 3B3B3B Aug 05 06:30:25 Adora, talking about having Rod skyped into the next SCaLE on a TouchPad rather than a laptop Aug 05 06:30:32 in RE: to your huh? Aug 05 06:31:13 Know what would be cooler? Having a toggle in the preferences to enable the dark or light theme like Preware Aug 05 06:31:24 yeah Aug 05 06:32:54 restarting luna, here sto the best Aug 05 06:33:07 Abyssul, http://patches.webos-internals.org/ patch submission rest is automated Aug 05 06:33:14 * PatrickC doesn't have to restart luna Aug 05 06:33:30 Jack87: how would you include an image into a .patch file though? Aug 05 06:33:45 oh! Aug 05 06:33:46 Doesnt say anything about image manipulation though Aug 05 06:34:13 i remember a messaging patch for changing it to look like bubbles Aug 05 06:34:45 oh wow Aug 05 06:34:47 It looks NICE Aug 05 06:34:49 I have everything kinda fixed Aug 05 06:34:53 screenshot! Aug 05 06:35:04 discription explained to place the images somewhere... what you can do is make the patch look in the media directory for the images or create a symlink or something. and in discription explain where to download the images and place em Aug 05 06:35:08 Looks better on the pre than in screenshot Aug 05 06:35:47 Jack87, there are ways to incorporate image transfer into a patch somehow. Others do it Aug 05 06:35:51 Ill just look at what they do Aug 05 06:36:32 http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d182/hardwick246/photos-temp-1jpg-1.jpg Aug 05 06:37:26 i wonder if they do some sort of wget during the installation Aug 05 06:37:42 Jack87, the files are in the ipk Aug 05 06:37:54 Trying to think of some examples Aug 05 06:38:20 uh.. hum. like the themes? Aug 05 06:38:52 Similar Aug 05 06:38:57 Abyssul: send me the files, I have an idea.. patrickappcreator at gmail Aug 05 06:39:13 Agh, thats a lot of work :p Aug 05 06:39:21 One sec. Making a tease thread Aug 05 06:39:25 haha Aug 05 06:39:25 Abyssul, http://www.webos-internals.org/images/6/6d/Messaging-iphone-style-no-avatar-1.jpg Aug 05 06:39:27 thanks Aug 05 06:39:51 thats the only patch i can think of. maybe you can disect it Aug 05 06:39:57 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/228141-patch-text-message-privacy.html Aug 05 06:40:03 Ill look at it tomorrow its 2:30 Aug 05 06:40:09 This was a proof of concept Aug 05 06:40:30 ooops Aug 05 06:40:35 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/213063-patch-request-messaging-app-like-iphones-11.html#post2037734 Aug 05 06:40:42 :) Aug 05 06:41:49 Abyssul: or just tell me what you changed. whichever is easier Aug 05 06:41:58 Ill send it in a min Aug 05 06:42:49 ok Aug 05 06:43:44 * Jack87 manages to freeze his TP Aug 05 06:43:55 been stuck for over 15min now Aug 05 06:44:27 no switch to goggle back and forth or battery to pull.... what does one do? Aug 05 06:44:33 Sent it PatrickC Aug 05 06:44:39 thanks Aug 05 06:44:50 no keyboard for ctrl alt del either :) Aug 05 06:45:14 I thought the TP had a ringer switch? Aug 05 06:45:21 like seriously haha how do i resolve this Aug 05 06:45:30 ugh.. wirc broke on me.. Aug 05 06:45:31 brb Aug 05 06:45:33 Abyssul, I wish! i dunno what the hell hp was thinking when they took it out Aug 05 06:45:56 I didn't see anything after you said you sent it Abyssul Aug 05 06:46:00 ipad stole idea from palm. and hp takes it out of TP. Aug 05 06:46:06 Hold the home button and power button for 15 seconds Aug 05 06:46:35 Abyssul, thank you sir Aug 05 06:46:49 PatrickC, Get it yet? Aug 05 06:46:54 yep Aug 05 06:46:57 K Aug 05 06:47:14 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/290393-patch-dark-theme-facebook-exhibition-mode.html#post3055284 Aug 05 06:47:23 Get a ipk and put it there :p Aug 05 06:48:23 rebooting now Aug 05 06:48:24 i tried that but i guess i didnt hold it quit long enough. (actually i hit vol button at some point from frustration that might of interrupted the reboot) Aug 05 06:48:25 haha Hp adds a home button and removes ringer switch! how silly! Aug 05 06:49:15 I always thought it did Aug 05 06:49:18 Oh well, not a big deal Aug 05 06:50:28 Alright, its 3am here and I got work at 8. JOY Aug 05 06:50:38 ok Aug 05 06:50:43 Oh great. My pre2 got a update for webos 2.1 lol Aug 05 06:50:52 trying a mix of mine and your changed Aug 05 06:50:54 sprint pre2? Aug 05 06:50:55 Abyssul, no not a big deal... but you do miss it while using it. at least i do (while at work) Aug 05 06:51:06 Yea, Aug 05 06:51:33 Abyssul: I hear you are suppose to apply that.. Aug 05 06:51:35 I think Aug 05 06:51:46 and our files mixed looks amazing! Aug 05 06:51:51 Abyssul, ya just apply it no biggie. I think it fixes the voice controls or something Aug 05 06:51:51 What are you changing PatrickC? I think my changes look near perfect though that was done in 5 minutes Aug 05 06:51:55 hold on, lemme screenshot Aug 05 06:52:01 Yep. I heard its a positive update :p Aug 05 06:52:26 Ill look up how to add a "enable theme" button to the preference menu Aug 05 06:52:36 by using the Preware code as reference Aug 05 06:52:58 PatrickC, hurry up i want to see screenie :) Aug 05 06:53:03 and go to bed after Aug 05 06:53:17 Lol, silly Jack87 :p I see your comment on PC Aug 05 06:53:24 Jack87: uploading :) Aug 05 06:53:27 :) Aug 05 06:53:46 http://www.zumodrive.com/share/dVhzZTA5YT Aug 05 06:53:49 that should be it Aug 05 06:53:53 Abyssul, someone had to do it. (doing my part to help ;-)) Aug 05 06:54:11 You made the buttons more bezelled? Aug 05 06:54:20 that is Aug 05 06:54:40 Abyssul: took out the quotes and changed the color to a little lighter Aug 05 06:54:48 what is the text under? Aug 05 06:54:58 quotes need to be there imo Aug 05 06:55:09 I don't like them Aug 05 06:55:14 they seem to big and bulky Aug 05 06:55:20 I could shrink them Aug 05 06:55:20 Make two patches then :p Aug 05 06:55:27 Not hard to exclude them Aug 05 06:55:37 Dock-header Aug 05 06:55:45 dock-content Aug 05 06:55:48 that's what the text was under? Aug 05 06:55:49 ah ok Aug 05 06:55:53 in the CSS Aug 05 06:56:00 I'm gonna make those a few shades darker Aug 05 06:56:10 dock-comment-like Aug 05 06:56:20 o.O Aug 05 06:56:22 * Jack87 likes the darker color and quotes Aug 05 06:56:51 Jack87: really? Aug 05 06:56:56 I'll add the quotes back Aug 05 06:56:59 Lol Aug 05 06:56:59 but shrink them Aug 05 06:57:03 Just make two patches Aug 05 06:57:11 and shrinking them might be tricky Aug 05 06:57:11 find with me :) Aug 05 06:57:15 darker the better especially while driving at night and over night when sleeping Aug 05 06:57:23 photo editor Aug 05 06:57:36 Yeah but they might not line up, and also might be blurry Aug 05 06:57:49 Unless you google some quote image vectors Aug 05 06:57:54 * Jack87 would like much darker blue for the header Aug 05 06:58:05 darker? Thats a navy blue Aug 05 06:58:26 You can change the css on your own :p Aug 05 06:58:28 im only looking on screenshot by the way. maybe looks different on device Aug 05 06:58:28 Not hard Aug 05 06:58:35 It does Aug 05 06:58:39 Looks better on the device Aug 05 06:58:56 but ya... the darker the blue the better if you ask me for overnight exhibition mode Aug 05 06:59:31 I never got why HP cant implement a more radical light sensor Aug 05 06:59:44 Like, in pure darkness, the brightness should go to 5 automatically Aug 05 06:59:59 yeah Aug 05 07:00:14 you know how tapping clock app togles mode of background in exhibition Aug 05 07:00:25 sure Aug 05 07:00:26 yep Aug 05 07:00:31 maybe a toggle approach to the themes Aug 05 07:00:38 I want that to work in Facebook too Aug 05 07:00:44 but would probably be hard Aug 05 07:00:58 Good thinking Aug 05 07:01:11 Ill look at the Preware and Clock code to see which is easier Aug 05 07:01:15 (tomorrow) Aug 05 07:01:29 the clock for exhibition is hidden in Luna Aug 05 07:01:35 Well Aug 05 07:01:38 There goes that Aug 05 07:01:50 lol Aug 05 07:01:56 lameness Aug 05 07:02:26 yeah.. Aug 05 07:02:33 and Exhibition is hidden in luna Aug 05 07:02:40 or I would enable landscape Aug 05 07:02:47 I looked for days to try and find it Aug 05 07:03:55 I like the way it looks :) I'm off to bed.. 2am here Aug 05 07:05:15 PatrickC, where are you Aug 05 07:05:32 Nashville TN area Aug 05 07:07:37 Jack87: would you like it if the quotes were there, but smaller? Aug 05 07:08:51 PatrickC: I really don't care all that much about the quotes. I did like them but I'm not picky. but if its a night time theme the darker the colors the better if you ask me. Aug 05 07:09:10 yeah.. Aug 05 07:09:35 * Jack87 is using veer to wirc. best wirc tool ever Aug 05 07:10:00 I can't type on the veer's kb! so small! lol Aug 05 07:10:10 * Jack87 wishes it wasn't bound to gsm/ATT would love to use this on sprint Aug 05 07:10:23 its roomier then my old centro keyboard which I loved Aug 05 07:10:38 its smaller then my old Pixi kerboard Aug 05 07:10:51 type so much faster since you don't need to move fingers around as much Aug 05 07:11:12 * Jack87 never did get a pixi. Aug 05 07:11:24 I only used it for a minute or 2. so I might get used to it after a while Aug 05 07:11:51 I think these keys are spread apart a bit more then pixi no? or maybe I'm still thinking centro Aug 05 07:12:21 haha this is my first time using it this last 2min chatting with you Aug 05 07:12:29 I thought it was smaller then a pixi Aug 05 07:12:43 haha Aug 05 07:12:49 and you like? Aug 05 07:13:17 the screen seems a *lot* smaller then the Pixi's screen! Aug 05 07:13:21 the keys I think are physically smaller but have a bit more space between each other because of it? I dunno I haven't played much with pixi Aug 05 07:13:40 Jack87: yeah i'm jumping to att for the veer and for future webos goodness Aug 05 07:13:49 PatrickC: same size as pixi screen I believe (at least same resolution) Aug 05 07:14:05 it is Aug 05 07:14:22 which is why I was surprised the screen looked so small! Aug 05 07:14:32 dtzWill: Veer is way nice but no way I can justify att pricing and lack of unlimited plans Aug 05 07:15:06 Jack87: :/, yeah i'm not excited about that Aug 05 07:15:15 but luckily i'm usually in wifi Aug 05 07:15:26 sad part is sprint Pre2 won't have touch to share Aug 05 07:15:27 Jack: how'd you get a veer if you aren't on att? Aug 05 07:15:42 * Jack87 used 11gigs of data last month Aug 05 07:15:49 oh damn. Aug 05 07:15:55 wow Aug 05 07:16:03 i usually use ~150M i think, lol Aug 05 07:16:16 PatrickC: developer device Aug 05 07:16:16 I've used something like 3.5GB before.. Aug 05 07:16:23 just got it yesterday Aug 05 07:16:29 that said i barely use my phone for data these days Aug 05 07:16:43 Jack87: I couldn't bring myself to spend $250 on it when a 32GB touchpad is only $389... Aug 05 07:16:47 sprint coverage isn't the best in the roads outside of town around here, and when i'm /in/ town it's a univ campus so wifi everywhere Aug 05 07:16:55 so just gave up on things like streaming radio to my car, etc Aug 05 07:17:05 dtzWill: the thing is with a touchpad! tethering is awesome Aug 05 07:17:21 haha yeah i'm rather excited for that Aug 05 07:17:32 so i'm looking at the 2GB plan and i'll scale back if i don't use much ofit Aug 05 07:18:03 * PatrickC is off to bed for real.. 2:15 am... :/ Aug 05 07:18:04 lol Aug 05 07:18:04 ouch 2gig limit seems so annoying coming from a world of no worries Aug 05 07:18:09 but new gadget + tp tethering goodness (although see previous discussion of my wifi-surrounded nature) + "4g" == i expect to use a good deal more than my old average, at least at first :) Aug 05 07:18:22 well its' $10/GB after that, right? Aug 05 07:18:23 hehe I try to make most of my money hence the 11gigs of data Aug 05 07:18:26 not entirely unreasonable, tbh. Aug 05 07:18:31 err Aug 05 07:18:33 lemme restate taht Aug 05 07:18:50 given $25 for 2GB, charging $10/gb over that seems rather reasonable Aug 05 07:18:57 as far as "zomg you went over the limit" goes. Aug 05 07:18:59 ya the veer 4g is fast from what I understand Aug 05 07:19:25 yeah, i actually don't think (well not sure) i'll get 4g where i live :( Aug 05 07:19:39 dtzWill: 25 per month on top of individual plan costs on top of texting costs Aug 05 07:19:52 hopefully that comes soon or something, but even so i got terrrible 3g experience around town on sprint, so it would be hard to be anything but better Aug 05 07:19:58 nearly $100 a month if not more? Aug 05 07:20:46 Jack87: yeah, i threw some discount deal at it (or plan to, anyway, actually activiating it tomorrow morning) knocking ~18% off and joining a family plan with a few friends Aug 05 07:20:54 I'm not critisizing just trying to see what att would actually be like (me is considering it) Aug 05 07:20:56 but still good deal more than sprint and limited :( Aug 05 07:21:12 * Jack87 was considering gophone unlimited plan Aug 05 07:21:16 nah i'm looking at around $50/mo iirc, haven't sorted it out yet. Aug 05 07:21:28 gophone was tempting, didn't spec it out though. Aug 05 07:22:02 I think for smartphones its a bit different for the data Aug 05 07:22:06 dear god i'm trying to make some slides that apparently are needed by tomorrow >>.<< Aug 05 07:22:22 you don't actually get the unlimited. so that's the part I don't quit understand yet Aug 05 07:22:40 haha do what you got to do. Aug 05 07:22:41 one thing i'm god-freaking awful at is creating slides. i'm actually just fine when /i'm/ the one presenting (in teaching contexts, etc) since i control the content and understand the goal/target/purpose Aug 05 07:22:56 when someone says "send me slides on your work", it just about breaks my brain Aug 05 07:23:00 I really am loving this little guy. wircing is awesome on it Aug 05 07:23:08 Jack87: very glad to hear Aug 05 07:23:38 have you used veer much? Aug 05 07:23:49 what are the slides about anyway? Aug 05 07:24:01 got 2 veers actually, one for myself and one for my girlie... after she saw the veer, and since her bday was about a week later (yesterday, actually!) i knew what to do XD Aug 05 07:24:05 she just about died hehehe Aug 05 07:24:26 this thing is pretty bad ass Aug 05 07:24:38 Jack87: played with it some, haven't dived into it too much since am waiting for it to be activated Aug 05 07:24:52 was disappointing at the pdk app selection, silly resoulution-ness Aug 05 07:25:06 touch to share will be fun! Aug 05 07:25:14 makes me tempted to hack SDL to let me play higher resolutoin games Aug 05 07:25:29 and either truncate the 80 pixels off it (idk how many games would be usable) or scale it :P Aug 05 07:25:29 lol Aug 05 07:25:32 lol I played quake on it Aug 05 07:25:42 earlier today Aug 05 07:25:44 yeah, i actually have no idea how to use touch-to-share Aug 05 07:25:44 lol Aug 05 07:26:09 dtzWill: I don't think you can yet (next phone update) Aug 05 07:26:12 i paired the devices and tried tapping around, idk, apparently i'm silly Aug 05 07:26:13 oh Aug 05 07:26:13 well Aug 05 07:26:19 that would explain my inability Aug 05 07:26:20 lolol Aug 05 07:26:38 Jack87: hahaha excellent. i need to update that, a good deal of low-hanging fruit there... Aug 05 07:26:44 in terms of improving it, i mean Aug 05 07:26:54 :) Aug 05 07:26:56 and it needs to be tp-compat :D Aug 05 07:27:00 pretty sure that's mandatory Aug 05 07:27:04 yes! Aug 05 07:27:09 a device isn't "in" until someone's ported doom and quake to it. Aug 05 07:27:23 ;) Aug 05 07:27:33 I played it on TP to.. but ya needs to be rdone Aug 05 07:27:45 i guess it already runs both--just doesn't have useful input, and that's tangential and not part of the 'in' qualification... Aug 05 07:27:50 you can actually do higher resolution now without lag Aug 05 07:28:07 and have to redo the jump controls and overlay to match Aug 05 07:28:45 (sorry for the re-post, everyone else) Jack87: the girl i got the veer for made this for me the other day: http://twitpic.com/5zcf3z xD Aug 05 07:28:47 lack of gesturezone and keyboard makes changing weapons impossible now Aug 05 07:29:11 Jack87: need to port the gl version and everything will be better Aug 05 07:29:12 lol Aug 05 07:29:16 well graphically anywya Aug 05 07:29:19 *anyway Aug 05 07:29:28 the TP still needs a input overhaul Aug 05 07:29:41 that's cute Aug 05 07:30:02 hehe yeah. she doesn't even have it activated yet and takes her veer around with her everywhere... Aug 05 07:30:07 well anyway, i gotta do these slides >.< Aug 05 07:30:09 me want a coffee mug like that Aug 05 07:30:29 haha enjoy we'll chat later Aug 05 07:30:54 haha, she works part-time at a local cafe (fellow student) and makes neat latte-art like that to brighten customer's day xD Aug 05 07:31:10 Jack87: oh i'll probably be around for a bit longer.. i'm so terrible that i'll spend 20 minutes, write a bullet and need to take a break >_> Aug 05 07:31:13 that's awesome Aug 05 07:31:44 haha I'm same way when it comes to slides Aug 05 07:32:19 oh boy.. I won't be a part of your procrastination. get your shit done young man :) Aug 05 07:33:48 whatever it's 2:30am -.- lol Aug 05 07:35:33 * Jack87 is playing quake on veer while wircing :) Aug 05 07:35:56 7 cards up haha this is awesome Aug 05 07:37:37 dtzWill: netstats app will be your friend on ATT Aug 05 07:37:45 ahhh good call :D Aug 05 07:38:07 gd mornin Aug 05 07:40:50 the 80 pixels don't seem too bad I hardly notice the black lines while in game play... hehe I have over 12 apps running playing quake smoothly on stock veer kernel Aug 05 07:45:26 linuxjacques: hola! Aug 05 07:45:50 linuxjacques_: ^ Aug 05 07:48:17 Guest42348: what's going on? Aug 05 07:48:51 stupid irc client Aug 05 07:49:48 Jack87: wait, what? Aug 05 07:50:06 Jack87: oh, do some people 'port' to that resolutoin but just scaling it themselves and having black bars on sides then? Aug 05 07:50:49 howdy Jack87 Aug 05 07:54:00 test Aug 05 07:55:13 Jack87: did it work? :) Aug 05 07:55:13 wirc went nuts on veer now Aug 05 07:55:59 lets see... what are you asking? Aug 05 07:56:10 when running quake as is on veer it seems to run just fine.. there is black bars on the "sides" which is top/bottom when in landscape mode Aug 05 07:56:25 but they are hardly noticeable give the "dark" theme of the game Aug 05 07:56:50 interesting :). Aug 05 07:57:08 haha used my tp as a giant usb stick today hehehe Aug 05 07:57:17 (just misc media from friend's while i was there, hehe) Aug 05 07:57:48 giant usb stick? how did you manage that? Aug 05 07:58:08 err it's giant Aug 05 07:58:14 and i used it as a general usb storage device Aug 05 07:58:18 by putting it into usb mode Aug 05 07:58:18 oh Aug 05 07:58:24 haha Aug 05 07:58:38 i wasnt sure what you meant by usb stick. for some reason i was thinking joystick Aug 05 07:58:50 lack of sleep i suppose Aug 05 07:59:29 32gig flash drive :)... expensive 32 gig flash drive Aug 05 07:59:52 right :) Aug 05 08:01:01 * Jack87 loves it for reading comics and actually paid for jasone's app Aug 05 08:01:09 its not too bad could use some work. Aug 05 08:01:19 which app is this? Aug 05 08:01:34 oh, "comic shelf" interesting. Aug 05 08:01:51 comic shelf Aug 05 08:02:21 its not too bad. but would be nice to have drag zoom magnifine glass kinda thing Aug 05 08:02:41 i think thats one of the main things that bugs me about it. Aug 05 08:03:09 well that and that its not buy for TP and get on phone as well Aug 05 08:03:23 Preader works really well on TP Aug 05 08:04:05 https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.mhwsoft.preader Aug 05 08:04:36 i mean its not an enyo app but its still great and takes up full screen much like preware and wirc Aug 05 08:09:41 dtzWill, did you get a look at this yet? http://tinyurl.com/3ew3kqj Aug 05 08:10:56 * Jack87 kinda wants the keyboard for touchpad :) Aug 05 08:11:49 hehe they even included a dedicated number line like TP OSK Aug 05 08:13:19 Jack87: lol Aug 05 08:14:03 i laughed when i saw it. (i must admit i like my slider keyboard on webos phones) Aug 05 08:17:01 wow, it's a bit hard to try and reconstruct a flamewar on Twitter if you're a few hours late Aug 05 08:17:05 :-) Aug 05 08:17:30 phoque, whats going on Aug 05 08:18:54 Jack87, the discussion between ZDnet and webosinternals Aug 05 08:19:35 i am so bad at figuring out how to follow twitter conversations. it makes no sense to me :( Aug 05 08:26:17 * Jack87 always feels like when reading twitter posts you only see half the conversation what a pain in the ass Aug 05 08:41:22 off to bed i go Aug 05 08:41:24 night all Aug 05 08:47:21 phoque: I can summarize for you if you like :) Aug 05 08:48:07 rwhitby: I'd like Aug 05 08:48:24 so much for bed Aug 05 08:51:02 dude accuses me of doing under the table deals with HP. he half-corrects the statement, and offers an Op-Ed position in his column. I pass, cause I have no confidence that what I write won't be distorted. he calls me an idiot. Aug 05 08:51:53 his co-editor then calls me "ridiculous person with no reading comprehension or attention span" Aug 05 08:54:45 wow what a load of shit Aug 05 08:55:13 read the article. have no respect for ZDNet now Aug 05 08:55:54 worst journalism ever how does he even get a column? Aug 05 08:57:42 well, it would have been reasonable content without the attacks on WebOS Internals Aug 05 08:58:13 One wonders why he felt the need to add baseless accusations to the existing factual content. Aug 05 08:58:17 haha! I am reading a superman comic now. and Perry white is asking for an op-ed on his desk (funny coincidences) Aug 05 08:59:29 its true. all his other points were well made and understandable but the bashing of WebOS Internals was uncalled for. Aug 05 09:00:21 had nothing to do with what the article was about Aug 05 09:01:09 I think it was simply a cry for attention and publicity from other sources Aug 05 09:03:27 and the op-ed was surely part of the scheme. you did good not to bite. and summatusmentis reply I think summed up the truth Aug 05 09:14:07 well, the discussion went a but unflattering on both sides Aug 05 09:14:21 @webosinternals regularily has a rough tone Aug 05 09:14:23 :-) Aug 05 10:06:59 rwhitby: yo Aug 05 10:10:14 grishnav: hey Aug 05 10:10:46 grishnav: I've rebuilt the Pre kernels in the feed. Can you please reinstall and see if it's still the wrong one? Aug 05 10:10:57 sure thing Aug 05 10:11:22 i'm removing dagger now :) Aug 05 10:11:48 dagger works fwiw, and looks to have a sensible version number: Linux version 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 (v1.4.5-182@org.webosinternals.kernels.f102a-kernel-pre) (gcc version 4.2.1 (CodeSourcery Sourcery G++ Lite 2007q3-51)) #2 Mon May 30 22:01:56 HST 2011 Aug 05 10:13:15 * grishnav taps foot Aug 05 10:13:20 these pre's take way too long to reboot Aug 05 10:13:21 lol Aug 05 10:15:24 rwhitby: okay, updating feeds and installing UK Aug 05 10:21:31 rwhitby: wifi works. checking version. Aug 05 10:21:51 as soon as my vpn connects... Aug 05 10:22:47 ** PASTE WARNING ** Aug 05 10:22:54 root@palm-webos-device:/var/home/root# cat /proc/version Aug 05 10:22:55 Linux version 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 (v1.4.5-178@org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre) (gcc version 4.2.1 (CodeSourcery Sourcery G++ Lite 2007q3-51)) #2 Thu Aug 4 21:29:04 HST 2011 Aug 05 10:22:58 root@palm-webos-device:/var/home/root# lsmod Aug 05 10:23:01 Module Size Used by Aug 05 10:23:03 sd8xxx 287016 1 Aug 05 10:23:06 bridgedriver 188276 1 Aug 05 10:23:08 bc_example 6840 0 Aug 05 10:23:11 omaplfb 13808 0 Aug 05 10:23:13 pvrsrvkm 143192 2 bc_example,omaplfb Aug 05 10:23:16 root@palm-webos-device:/var/home/root# Aug 05 10:23:18 rwhitby: all looks good. I think someone tagged the wrong version as the stable. ;) Aug 05 10:23:34 saying paste warning is no replacement for pastebin... just sayin... Aug 05 10:23:42 i know Aug 05 10:23:46 lazy tonight Aug 05 10:23:48 plus... 10 lines Aug 05 10:23:50 people will live Aug 05 10:24:06 at least it is the middle of the night, lol Aug 05 10:24:07 :) Aug 05 10:24:14 yeah Aug 05 10:24:15 if it were busy Aug 05 10:24:22 i woudln't have Aug 05 10:25:48 rwhitby: thank you! Aug 05 10:25:53 don't get support like that from most companies Aug 05 10:25:55 ;) Aug 05 10:26:04 * grishnav is out for a smoke Aug 05 10:27:50 grishnav: glad it is fixed Aug 05 10:28:07 now I can start the weekend with no known bugs Aug 05 10:28:44 rwhitby, I am sure I can find a bug in something... Aug 05 10:28:56 but I will wait until monday to tell you about it ;) Aug 05 10:40:28 * rwhitby bbt Aug 05 13:03:39 Jack87: sorry for the delay. I'm glad you appreciated the post Aug 05 13:13:23 summatusmentis, it was an excellent post ;) Aug 05 13:13:31 thank you Aug 05 13:13:43 and on that note.... time for me to go home and sleep... finally... Aug 05 14:16:29 http://www.woot.com/ Aug 05 14:17:22 Jack87: ping Aug 05 14:21:41 so amazon has a bunch to get rid of eh Aug 05 14:35:22 woot is a pretty nice way to get the word out about these things Aug 05 14:52:27 hi PatrickC_ what's up? Aug 05 14:52:45 * Jack87 needs to shower and head to work Aug 05 14:56:28 do you have the link to Abyssul's screenshot? Aug 05 14:58:35 [23:35:28] http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d182/hardwick246/photos-temp-1jpg-1.jpg Aug 05 14:58:46 davegarbs: I decided not to write a bash script. I'm going with node.js Aug 05 14:59:05 thanks Aug 05 14:59:08 [23:46:09] http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/290393-patch-dark-theme-facebook-exhibition-mode.html#post3055284 Aug 05 14:59:43 your welcome. adios Aug 05 15:01:03 cya Aug 05 15:17:38 So, I was talking to my buddy and I was bitching about the battery life on this thing (P+)...and he said that turning off the LED for the...gesture area helps...I don't know if that's what did it...but wow. Aug 05 15:17:51 My battery has been lasting pretty good so far... Aug 05 15:23:35 I love my gesture area though :) Aug 05 15:27:25 any wifi experts in here today? I had no luck yesterday Aug 05 15:28:33 RavenII: what's a good patch or app that lets you control that? Aug 05 15:28:37 can mode switcher do it? Aug 05 15:28:42 kevets: it's....hang on Aug 05 15:28:55 i wouldn't think it'd help all that much Aug 05 15:28:58 its a tiny led Aug 05 15:29:13 yeah, just curious Aug 05 15:29:13 RavenII: if you used a custom/over clock kernel and applied some sort of power saver scaling that's prolly what did it. Aug 05 15:29:32 tbh the f104a/screenstate v3 with its throttling has been a nice power saver Aug 05 15:31:43 I know dude, but I'm telling you...unless I did something at the same time as installing the patch...I can't explain why I'm getting good life... Aug 05 15:35:47 kevets: F104a has SSv3/ Aug 05 15:35:50 ?*... Aug 05 15:39:20 Hi, does webOS 2.1.0 run efficiently on the Pixi Plus? Aug 05 15:39:34 I'm running the last ota update at the moment. Aug 05 15:40:38 siestacat: no, no it does not Aug 05 15:41:21 not at all? I've seen some people report success with it? Aug 05 15:41:34 it works Aug 05 15:41:39 but efficiently, not really Aug 05 15:41:41 RavenII: yep Aug 05 15:41:56 how well does it work? Aug 05 15:42:06 is there a notice-able lag? Aug 05 15:42:12 I tried 2.x on my pixi. then i threw it against the wall. Aug 05 15:42:29 Downgraded to 1.4.5? Aug 05 15:42:38 What about it is bad? Aug 05 15:42:44 it seems to work pretty well from what i've seen. i like the fact that it throttles down based on load Aug 05 15:42:59 i just downloaded it yesterday and updated govnah Aug 05 15:43:03 first off, it was never officially released, but its just to much for the poor little pixi to handle Aug 05 15:43:17 Pixi Plus only added wifi, right? Aug 05 15:43:23 yeah Aug 05 15:43:37 i put it on my Pre- Aug 05 15:43:43 kevets : do you like it, and do you have lots of files stored on it? Do you use several apps at a time? Aug 05 15:43:44 it was hell Aug 05 15:43:54 what was wrong? Aug 05 15:43:56 kevets: it only gives me v2 as an option... Aug 05 15:44:01 F105 gives me V3. Aug 05 15:44:31 I'm really considering giving it a go. Aug 05 15:44:38 pre 2? Aug 05 15:44:43 Does it wipe everything I currently have installed? Aug 05 15:45:08 hmm i haven't tried f105 Aug 05 15:45:13 99% sure it does siestacat Aug 05 15:45:42 Well, that's not much of a problem. Aug 05 15:45:46 Does it keep my phone number? Aug 05 15:45:54 I'm not screwing any of that up? Aug 05 15:46:30 "yeah im waiting for him. is it just me or does 2.1 work like AMAZING. on a pixi its so slick and cool" Aug 05 15:46:52 its slick and cool until you try doing something. then its slow at slower. Aug 05 15:47:18 how slow? Aug 05 15:47:35 slow enough to make the throw it against a wall Aug 05 15:48:13 How'd you install it? Aug 05 15:48:27 Lots of people in the webOS 2.1 on Pixi effort thread seem to like it very much. Aug 05 15:48:58 * halfhalo-work should point out he works for palm right now Aug 05 15:49:18 * siestacat should probably listen Aug 05 15:49:41 Is the linphone guy here? Aug 05 15:49:45 I forget his name. Aug 05 15:50:02 hmm, no 2.1 for me. Aug 05 15:50:37 siestacat: you have to come earlier, you missed him for about 2 hours Aug 05 15:50:45 has anyone here dealt with Palm L3 support? Aug 05 15:52:55 NuttyBunny : Ok, thanks. Aug 05 15:53:17 Does linphone even run on 1.4.5? Aug 05 15:54:04 dtzWill: ping Aug 05 15:54:23 Are there any other VOiP solutions for 1.4.5? Aug 05 15:54:54 siestacat: Yep, it runs on 1.4.5, Pre, Pixi, etc... and ... that's the only one Aug 05 15:55:07 No other solutions? Aug 05 15:55:20 No google talk or skype ports for legacy devices? Aug 05 15:56:40 there is P2GoogleVoice in Preware iirc Aug 05 15:57:33 Has the kid who developed Voogle given up on WebOS? Aug 05 15:57:42 yes for now Aug 05 15:58:04 shame Aug 05 15:58:17 yep Aug 05 15:59:00 at least those of us on Sprint in the US canofficially switch to Google Voice for all voicemail Aug 05 15:59:25 P2GoogleVoice does voip? Aug 05 15:59:34 I tried it once and I believe it still used my minutes. Aug 05 15:59:38 it does GoogleVoice Aug 05 15:59:44 it uses Data I think Aug 05 15:59:49 but I still wish I had a fully functional app that could support whatever codec Google uses for actually listening to the messages Aug 05 15:59:57 there's also Voogle in the app catalog Aug 05 16:00:06 Voogle is broken Aug 05 16:00:19 really? what's broken about it? Aug 05 16:00:34 I'll talk to him Aug 05 16:00:44 it can't handle the "two-part" login system is the claim Aug 05 16:00:51 Voogle works Aug 05 16:00:54 I'm not sure what that means, though Aug 05 16:00:54 Sometimes Aug 05 16:01:02 I got mine from the app catalog. Aug 05 16:01:15 I got rid of the PIN on my Voice account and Voogle still fails Aug 05 16:01:33 Don't use two step verification Aug 05 16:01:36 what version of WebOS are you using, siestacat? Aug 05 16:01:54 wth is two step verification? Aug 05 16:02:06 I'm running 1.4.5 Guinness Aug 05 16:02:19 Works fine for texting over wifi Aug 05 16:02:25 I'm running 2.1 on a frankenpre2 Aug 05 16:02:30 Although there's a glitch where it won't send sometimes. Aug 05 16:02:34 Othertimes, it works fine. Aug 05 16:02:47 sure texting is ok, but can you listen to voicemails? Aug 05 16:03:00 Never tried. Aug 05 16:03:05 Not what I got it for. Aug 05 16:03:11 I use Pageplus mobile. Aug 05 16:03:22 $30 a year, and a smartphone with Wifi data access. Aug 05 16:03:54 yeah, I with people would admit that voicemail is obsolete and quit leaving them for me, but I deal with old dogs I guess Aug 05 16:04:01 "Guess Jon Rubenstein was wrong. My Pixi *Plus* from ATT can handle WebOS 2.1. Aug 05 16:04:02 Casa Bonita XD" Aug 05 16:04:07 and the text transcriptions are mostly useless Aug 05 16:04:15 google voicemail works well for me Aug 05 16:04:17 s/wish/with Aug 05 16:04:18 on verizon Aug 05 16:04:28 I'm on verizon's network through pageplus Aug 05 16:04:45 and for listening to emails it streams pretty well just clicking the link to play message in the email it sends me Aug 05 16:04:51 unfortunately, it ate all of my remaining balance the other day due to a glitch where it made me re-login to my palm profile. Aug 05 16:04:52 easier than loading and trying to play through the flash page Aug 05 16:05:01 siestacat: You won't be able to download.... the latest facebook update on a Pixi Plus Aug 05 16:05:10 oh it emails a sound file? Aug 05 16:05:17 NuttyBunny : Facebook? Aug 05 16:05:20 Ew Aug 05 16:05:22 I disabled email notifications Aug 05 16:05:24 its a 'play message link' that streams when i click it Aug 05 16:05:28 I never even got an account. Aug 05 16:05:32 so not quite an attachment Aug 05 16:05:39 ah, cool, so you're unaffected :) Aug 05 16:05:49 but since there's no GV app for this phone it is still quite usable Aug 05 16:05:50 The Pixi Plus cost $35 Aug 05 16:06:04 i only use it for voicemail basically, not sure what google voice calling would be like Aug 05 16:06:19 It doesn't do VOIP Aug 05 16:06:25 I was disappointed. Aug 05 16:06:30 how is skype supposed to work on the pre 2? Aug 05 16:06:32 well with Sprint, I can just hit my voicemail button on the Pre and it goes straight to Google Voice... which is fine, but I wish I could click a "listen" button directly from the garbled text transcription Aug 05 16:06:34 i never even looked into that Aug 05 16:06:41 ...which is exactly what Voogle used to do Aug 05 16:06:51 Guinness: the email notification will give you that Aug 05 16:07:38 you'll need a data connection but it works pretty well i've seen Aug 05 16:07:40 Be right back... Aug 05 16:08:00 I have unlimited data Aug 05 16:08:08 kevets: skype doesn't "really" work with the Pre2 Aug 05 16:08:31 and you don't need to log in to play your msg from the email link Aug 05 16:08:48 it just make the calls via a "proxy" (so to speak) on Verizon network, all done via cell call Aug 05 16:08:54 oh weird Aug 05 16:09:17 i don't really skype anyways so im not missing it Aug 05 16:09:26 does anybody know what "two step verification" is with Google Voice? I disabled the PIN option, but still have problems Aug 05 16:09:50 doesn't it sms you a code or something? for the two steps Aug 05 16:10:05 one thing i wish this phone would be better at is its media playing capabilities. Aug 05 16:10:11 it just SMSs me the transcription Aug 05 16:10:55 and a voicemail notification that I can click and dial GV to listen to the message Aug 05 16:11:02 i dont know how many times ive had to do a device reset to get the headphone playback to work (media volume control goes away, volume buttons do nothing) or to pick up new songs i've transferred after looking at the spinny arrows Aug 05 16:11:10 Best 1.4.5 upgrades that I can do? Aug 05 16:11:45 kevets, I believe that is because of a bug in the voice dial feature Aug 05 16:11:46 hmm i'd have to play around with that... i never actually dial GV to listen to voicemails Aug 05 16:12:01 hmm maybe i need to redoctor using the new test script Aug 05 16:12:06 what version of WebOS, kevets? Aug 05 16:12:10 i think i did mine to 2.1 just before that came out. Aug 05 16:12:23 or before i knew about it Aug 05 16:12:44 there is a thread somewhere on precentral that tells you how to permanently disable voice dialing Aug 05 16:13:03 I did it and it fixed all of the audio problems you just mentioned Aug 05 16:13:06 i read that the test verizon script allows working voice dial Aug 05 16:13:21 but i'd just as well disable it as i don't exactly need it Aug 05 16:13:25 especially if its buggy lol Aug 05 16:14:06 yeah, I have no need for voicedial... I have everyone I want to talk to on one-button speed dial anyway Aug 05 16:14:24 wonder if its a patch Aug 05 16:14:27 to disable that Aug 05 16:14:43 its like the WebOS version of 'there's an app for that' Aug 05 16:14:48 no. let me see if i can find it again... Aug 05 16:14:48 "There's a patch for that!" Aug 05 16:14:49 brb Aug 05 16:18:09 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/279944-patch-request-disable-voice-dial-launch-when-headphones-plugged.html#post2936219 Aug 05 16:19:16 oh nice Aug 05 16:19:23 think i could just run that in xterm? Aug 05 16:19:31 yeah sure Aug 05 16:20:02 i can't believe there's not a good terminal app yet :X Aug 05 16:20:06 I did it from webos quick install Aug 05 16:20:28 there isn't? what's wrong with Terminal? Aug 05 16:20:49 on the touchpad? Aug 05 16:20:56 oh hah Aug 05 16:21:25 i work as a linux admin so i was hoping for a terminal on the go Aug 05 16:21:41 the touchpad is a beta device with beta OS... you have to give it time Aug 05 16:21:59 yeah, i just hope it doesnt turn out like the pres Aug 05 16:22:04 no offense to ya'll Aug 05 16:22:14 so you can't install stuff like xterm on there? Aug 05 16:22:21 from preware Aug 05 16:22:24 is there preware for tp? Aug 05 16:22:32 yes Aug 05 16:22:44 but last i checked, modifier keys were still broken on xterm Aug 05 16:22:50 I'm so disappointed that HP isn't spending more time on phones Aug 05 16:22:54 oh gotcha Aug 05 16:22:56 keyboard stuff Aug 05 16:23:18 I understand the tablet market and all, but still... they're F-ing huge enough to do both Aug 05 16:23:31 i'm disappointed that they still won't make a slab phone Aug 05 16:23:43 i mean, it's not working well for android or the iphone or anything Aug 05 16:23:43 there have been rumors of one Aug 05 16:23:54 damn Aug 05 16:23:57 here's hoping Aug 05 16:24:02 yeah Aug 05 16:24:03 can't paste into xterm Aug 05 16:24:03 I'm sure they will now that 3.0 is made for keyboardless devices Aug 05 16:24:14 yeah Aug 05 16:24:15 yeah, I'd think so too Aug 05 16:24:18 kevets: yep Aug 05 16:24:22 yeah Aug 05 16:24:29 webos would be awesome on a nice 4" slab Aug 05 16:24:29 I'd hope so Aug 05 16:24:31 I never want any other form factor than the Pre myself Aug 05 16:24:34 they'll have the tablet, mini tablet/slab, and the sliders Aug 05 16:24:51 im the opposite, i'd never buy a pre just because it has a hardware keyboard Aug 05 16:24:52 if not, they be silly Aug 05 16:24:54 4" seems a little big.. maybe 3.7/3.8 Aug 05 16:25:03 perfect size for my pocket and I love tactile feedback when I'm texting & driving Aug 05 16:25:05 yeah using terminal without tab or paste is a little rough Aug 05 16:25:07 my coworker has the galaxy s 2 Aug 05 16:25:07 ever see a 4" android phone? Aug 05 16:25:08 or uparrow Aug 05 16:25:08 (kidding) Aug 05 16:25:09 its ginormous Aug 05 16:25:13 good stuff Aug 05 16:25:20 minus the android Aug 05 16:25:31 I like the Evo 3D Aug 05 16:25:38 put webOS on that, and its amazing Aug 05 16:25:39 droid 3 even looks like a solid choice Aug 05 16:25:49 evo 3d is a 4.3" screen Aug 05 16:25:50 but i dont know about the landscape keyboard Aug 05 16:25:53 4" is a nice compromise imo Aug 05 16:26:02 davegarbs: really? Aug 05 16:26:06 my friend works at rogers and took a 3d android in yesterday Aug 05 16:26:09 its better than the 3ds Aug 05 16:26:18 my wife has an EVO with extended battery... May as well have a damn laptop Aug 05 16:26:45 matbee: the evo 3d is a beast Aug 05 16:26:58 crap no curly bracket in xterm either. blah Aug 05 16:27:16 thats definitely not going to work for me Aug 05 16:27:21 is that on a touchpad kevets? Aug 05 16:27:26 kevets, can't you use a USB cable and WebOS Q!uick Install? Aug 05 16:27:33 im just usin my pre2 trying to run this Aug 05 16:27:40 yeah Guinness but i have quick install 4.x Aug 05 16:27:47 i guess i need an old version of it? Aug 05 16:27:50 that's what I used Aug 05 16:27:54 cmd line is back Aug 05 16:27:54 no Aug 05 16:28:02 and kevets: what OS? Aug 05 16:28:08 desktop* Aug 05 16:28:17 windows 7 Aug 05 16:28:23 it's java anyway Aug 05 16:28:36 go to "run" Aug 05 16:28:39 and type: Aug 05 16:29:21 novacom -t open tty:// Aug 05 16:29:28 Quick question: On the meta-doctor wiki it says cygwin is no longer supported and will cause a boot failure... is that a guarantee, or is that more of a statement along the lines of "it MAY cause boot failures, it may not, either way, we don't support users running cygwin anymore"? Aug 05 16:29:52 oh Aug 05 16:29:52 it may, but its likeley Aug 05 16:29:56 look at that. thanks PatrickC Aug 05 16:29:59 brb Aug 05 16:30:04 also, worst case scenario, if my phone fails to boot, could I just re-doctor it with an unmodified image and be back up and running again, or will it brick the phone? Aug 05 16:30:14 if it won't brick it, I'd be willing to give cygwin a shot anyway. Aug 05 16:30:16 yeah you can redoctor Aug 05 16:30:16 I have a full install. Aug 05 16:30:20 sweet Aug 05 16:30:23 you cant brick the pre's Aug 05 16:30:37 Muhb, why not just install Ubuntu on your Windows box the way they suggest? Aug 05 16:30:40 kevets: that's an easy way for novaterm on windows Aug 05 16:30:41 it couldn't be easier Aug 05 16:30:49 or use wubi? Aug 05 16:30:51 just use wubi Aug 05 16:30:56 Because it's a pain booting between windows/linux/windows/linux/windows Aug 05 16:30:59 yeah thats way easier Aug 05 16:30:59 I have a slackware virtual machine Aug 05 16:31:04 but even that's been a pain to work with Aug 05 16:31:20 yeah, wubi is probably what I meant Aug 05 16:31:22 I want to go back to strictly linux someday, I just haven't had time to back up all of my files Aug 05 16:31:27 I've been without internet all summer, lol Aug 05 16:32:09 Muhb, you can install it for one day, meta-doctor, then uninstall wubi and it's like it was never there Aug 05 16:32:26 Yeah, I did that earlier, but it was still a pain having to shutdown/reboot Aug 05 16:32:32 vbox Aug 05 16:32:35 Which is why I went the virtual machine route Aug 05 16:32:38 haha Aug 05 16:32:46 But then I nearly corrupted my filesystem because I was an impatient idiot Aug 05 16:32:53 I loaded my physical drive as a virtual drive Aug 05 16:32:57 so I see Aug 05 16:32:59 so I could access it Aug 05 16:33:06 yeah, bad idea, lol Aug 05 16:33:43 * Muhb updates cygwin first Aug 05 16:33:47 here goes nothing Aug 05 16:33:57 probably Aug 05 16:34:15 I didn't notice anything in particular in the scriptfiles that screamed "this won't work on cygwin" but then again I just glanced at them. Aug 05 16:34:32 we'll see Aug 05 16:34:38 Muhb: it will fail in cygwin Aug 05 16:34:40 good luck Aug 05 16:34:46 they have it set so it won't run in cygwin Aug 05 16:34:56 I'm going to remove that check. Aug 05 16:34:59 And see what happens. Aug 05 16:35:01 ah ok Aug 05 16:35:23 I'm hoping that the warning on the wiki is geared towards basic cygwin installs Aug 05 16:35:25 itd be funny if they spammed that check in 100's of places Aug 05 16:35:26 I selected a full install Aug 05 16:35:39 that would... not be a happy day Aug 05 16:35:40 lol Aug 05 16:35:56 if that happens I'll just suck it up and repartition my hard drive like I should have done yesterday Aug 05 16:36:07 install slackware to the second partition, boot that from vmware, do it the right way Aug 05 16:36:36 meh Aug 05 16:36:39 just virtualmachine it bro Aug 05 16:36:44 its so easy Aug 05 16:36:50 boot from cd Aug 05 16:36:52 do your shit Aug 05 16:36:53 close Aug 05 16:38:47 yeah, I did, but then I uninstalled it because I thought I wouldn't need it again Aug 05 16:38:58 long story Aug 05 16:40:24 I took a Sprint Pre and an AT&T Pre Plus and swapped the comms boards, used the meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 script to create a 2.1.0 doctor, unpacked it and loaded all the Sprint activation tokens, repacked it as pre-p100eww-sprint-2.1.0.jar, loaded it Aug 05 16:40:51 Only to find out that Sprint refuses to change the number in the phone without charging for a data plan, which I will never use, since I'm always in range of Wifi Aug 05 16:41:01 so I'm undoing everything I did and going back to T-Mobile, lol Aug 05 16:41:06 which requires a redoctor ._. Aug 05 17:00:49 linphoen Aug 05 17:00:57 Linphone* Aug 05 17:01:05 that's rwhitby's department iirc Aug 05 17:01:09 Anyone know if the lead developer will be here before 4pm? Aug 05 17:01:15 Next 3 hours? Aug 05 17:01:19 not sure Aug 05 17:01:56 Know if he'll be on tomorrow afternoon? Aug 05 17:02:15 possibly. he lives in the .au Aug 05 17:02:23 so its night by him (I think) Aug 05 17:02:35 It's night now Aug 05 17:02:36 ? Aug 05 17:02:49 by him I believe so Aug 05 17:02:54 So I'll have to get up unreasonably early to find him . Aug 05 17:03:11 I'll be on here 3ish in the morning or something. Aug 05 17:03:13 not all the time Aug 05 17:06:13 try to build my first pdk app, what does "-mcpu=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfparm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc not recognized" mean? how to fix it? Aug 05 17:06:27 Any decent GPS car navigation applications on 1.4.5? Aug 05 17:07:15 carrier app or Navit (I believe Navit works on 1.4.5) Aug 05 17:07:31 Carrier App doesn't work Aug 05 17:07:37 Because I'm going through a third party. Aug 05 17:07:53 Navit would be your best bet Aug 05 17:13:35 Is Navit in preware? Aug 05 17:13:42 I don't see it in the app catalog Aug 05 17:14:20 preware it is Aug 05 17:14:31 where can I get maps for it? Aug 05 17:14:44 with the Navit maps app Aug 05 17:15:19 That's seperate? Aug 05 17:15:26 yep Aug 05 17:15:38 also preware? Aug 05 17:15:42 yep Aug 05 17:16:00 a simple search for "navit" only yeilds the application Aug 05 17:16:19 I believe the maps app is in the testing feeds Aug 05 17:16:27 ~testing-feed Aug 05 17:16:28 well, testing-feed is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Aug 05 17:16:37 ok. Aug 05 17:16:42 I'll add it to preware. Aug 05 17:16:49 Thanks for the help. Aug 05 17:17:07 np Aug 05 17:18:09 uh, regarding the testing feeds, I'm not willing to sacrifice and webos doctor my phone again. Aug 05 17:18:25 I don't suppose the Navit Maps App is dangerous though. Aug 05 17:18:32 Guinness: anyone can officially switch to google voice for all voicemail. change your forward settings to forward to them instead. they have instructions. Aug 05 17:18:44 its not that dangerous in my use of it Aug 05 17:21:36 navit maps is currently not doing much error checking. so _if_ it goes wrong it might at least mess up your navit config Aug 05 17:23:18 hey noradtux Aug 05 17:23:32 hi :-) Aug 05 17:23:40 the non-testing navit doesn't use the navit maps -- you have to download your own Aug 05 17:23:41 you the dev of Navit? Aug 05 17:24:12 maybe not _the_ dev, but I am involved ;-) Aug 05 17:25:04 cool :) Aug 05 17:31:18 noradtux : navit maps doesn't have access to anything important? Aug 05 17:31:26 I don't care if it fouls up navit Aug 05 17:32:52 it has full access to the file system. but it I cannot imagine what it could mess up outside of navit's settings Aug 05 17:33:45 Good. I already lost $20 over a app catalog glitch.... Aug 05 17:34:04 it is just modifying the mapset xml file and ofcourse the maps Aug 05 17:34:21 Just found it. Aug 05 17:34:46 had to use the /all testing feed Aug 05 17:35:51 hmm... Aug 05 17:36:12 started the application, click "Ok I've gone through all of this" and the app doesn't respond... Aug 05 17:36:22 This should function on a pixi? Aug 05 17:36:55 it should Aug 05 17:37:17 doesn't appear to be, no response on button press. Aug 05 17:37:27 do you have the filemgrsvc installed? Aug 05 17:37:52 I am not sure if the package already depends on it Aug 05 17:37:57 Yeah Aug 05 17:38:10 Have it installed for internalz Aug 05 17:38:24 Hmm, re-ran the application and a white screen. Aug 05 17:38:30 Utter lag out. Aug 05 17:38:55 And I suppose navit depends on "speech dispatcher" Aug 05 17:39:51 won't even bring up the options menu in the upper right. Aug 05 17:40:02 it's supposed to have a gui? Aug 05 17:40:13 yes Aug 05 17:40:42 it's not functioning properly on my pixi plus Aug 05 17:43:32 pixi itself is being extremely laggy at the moment Aug 05 17:43:38 going to do a restart... Aug 05 17:43:49 habit does not work properly on Pixi, afaik Aug 05 17:45:26 habit? Aug 05 17:47:20 well, uninstalling navit Aug 05 17:49:22 can navit use garmin maps that I already own? Aug 05 17:55:14 error installing fstabfixer Aug 05 17:55:18 not going well today Aug 05 17:57:03 navit can display Garmin maps, but it cannot use them for routing Aug 05 17:58:34 So I have to compile a bunch of open maps.... Aug 05 17:59:36 wIRC is functioning Aug 05 18:00:13 siestacat2: maps.navit-project.org Aug 05 18:03:05 siestacat_onpixi: cool Aug 05 18:04:15 yeah Aug 05 18:04:29 some reason, pc just booted itself out Aug 05 18:05:15 navit maps accurate at all for rural locations? Aug 05 18:06:35 there he goes ... Aug 05 18:07:24 I can't reconnect from pc Aug 05 18:10:37 there we go.. Aug 05 18:11:01 quality of osm varies strongly. it's quite good where I live, that's around Hamburg, germany Aug 05 18:12:13 I'm around maine. They were good in JogStats Aug 05 18:12:33 copying bin file to pixi Aug 05 18:14:25 does navit require a luna or java restart after installing maps? Aug 05 18:15:06 appears to be very glitch Aug 05 18:15:09 y* Aug 05 18:16:36 won't even open to the settings page Aug 05 18:34:47 infobot chroot Aug 05 18:34:48 it has been said that chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html Aug 05 18:35:23 infobot ext3 Aug 05 18:36:47 I have a question about the metadoctor: When it talks about the WiFi Profiles, it uses the term "Enable;" If I don't follow the file backup steps, will wifi not work, or will i simply need to re-add my access points? Aug 05 18:38:37 in case some situational knowledge is needed: I have a brand new touchpad I plan on using to try Xecutah, X Windows, chrooting, etc on :) Aug 05 18:51:56 hmmm, it looks like those steps are for devices which generally require a GSM/CDMA/etc connection for First Run... Aug 05 18:52:19 or, of course, those who have already setup wifi points and want to keep them Aug 05 18:57:31 the chroot is already in Preware, you only need the ext3fs Aug 05 18:57:49 as far as the wifi points go, not sure, sorry. Aug 05 19:11:17 is there a way to masq my phone to tell preware its running 3.0? Aug 05 19:18:59 PatrickC: just to clafiy your meaning: I still need to metadoctor to make the partition for the chroot to live on, yes? Aug 05 19:27:49 also, PatrickC, the only information I'm finding on masquerade is down-version for authenticating to carriers; i'm not finding a lot of info about up-masqing... that seems potentially dangerous though... if it's labled as 3.0 only, chances are it's not going to work on a 1.4.5 or 2.x device... Aug 05 19:42:36 flare576: yes, you still need a meta-doctor Aug 05 19:42:54 and flare576 I run enyo on my Pre2, so 3.x apps work for me (for the most part) Aug 05 19:42:58 thanks, I thought you were giving me an uber shortcut :) Aug 05 19:43:24 I am in a way :) Aug 05 19:43:36 you don't have to build the chroot, its already in preware :) Aug 05 19:43:48 sorry I can't be more help then; I couldn't actually find any help for down-masquerading, which would likley lead you to the solution for faking out preware. Aug 05 19:43:50 they (wOSI) are working on an on-device resizing tool Aug 05 19:44:30 that'd be pretty slick; it seems to me that you should be able to resize partitions as root without re-doctoring, but I'm not good enough on the CLI to figure it out myself Aug 05 19:44:38 I'm wondering if you could just reverse the down-masq? link? Aug 05 19:44:59 flare576: you can resize w/o doctoring Aug 05 19:45:00 that's what I tried to say: I couldn't find a resource that describes how to masq Aug 05 19:45:01 I've done it Aug 05 19:45:13 you just need to use lv resize tools Aug 05 19:45:48 hmm, so the meta doctor is just a less-error-prone way of doing it, so that's what the guides use? Aug 05 19:46:07 yeah Aug 05 19:46:14 the meta-doctor is easier imo Aug 05 19:46:21 and safer (I think) Aug 05 19:47:30 I have to agree, you don't want to post "resize your primary partition" into a guide and have someone nuke their data ;) Aug 05 19:48:07 well, the worst that would happen is that you lose all data on the device. you can always recover it :) Aug 05 19:48:29 s/it/the device/ Aug 05 19:48:29 PatrickC meant: well, the worst that would happen is that you lose all data on the device. you can always recover the device :) Aug 05 19:48:48 which is what you end up doing with the doctor, but at least there it's up front "You're nuking your device" Aug 05 19:49:07 PatrickC, it could be worse than that... Aug 05 19:49:15 ka6sox: really? Aug 05 19:49:30 webOS is always recoverable? isn't it? Aug 05 19:49:40 if it were "simple" and "safe" it would be done already Aug 05 19:50:04 I said that the meta-doctor was safer, cause lv desire could kill the device Aug 05 19:50:25 anyone overclocking their touchpads? Aug 05 19:50:39 and you would lose all data, and have to take some difficult (to me) measures to recover Aug 05 19:51:10 just how thorough is the doctor in recovering the device? Aug 05 19:51:15 davegarbs..yes Aug 05 19:51:31 Muhb, it doesn't recover the data at all. Aug 05 19:51:33 Muhb: the doctor can recover the device from just about anything I think Aug 05 19:51:35 thats gone Aug 05 19:51:39 Muhb: device? I believe it repartitions if necessary. Data? gone Aug 05 19:51:41 not "recover" Aug 05 19:51:43 bad word Aug 05 19:51:50 I mean, restore to a working state Aug 05 19:51:58 if something horrible happens Aug 05 19:52:22 does it go through the whole process of repartition/reformat/reflash/reinstall? Aug 05 19:52:35 I found it odd one day when I used the doctor that the USB contents weren't wiped, I expected they would be Aug 05 19:52:43 depends on what state it finds Aug 05 19:53:00 state? Aug 05 19:53:09 yeah Aug 05 19:53:11 is there a way to see what different states are or to force a state? Aug 05 19:53:11 how bad the device is Aug 05 19:53:17 not that kind of state Aug 05 19:53:18 interesting Aug 05 19:53:34 bbl...work Aug 05 19:53:36 "Do i see a /media/internal partition" "no" "ok, make one" Aug 05 19:53:44 that kind of state. Aug 05 19:53:44 hmm Aug 05 19:53:47 ok Aug 05 19:54:03 doctor is kind when it can be ;) Aug 05 19:54:08 if I wanted to wipe all data and start completely fresh then, how would I go about that? Aug 05 19:54:19 rm -rf / Aug 05 19:54:20 does the deviec work? Aug 05 19:54:21 ? Aug 05 19:54:22 :D Aug 05 19:54:26 yes Aug 05 19:54:39 device info - reset options I believe Aug 05 19:54:41 just doctor Aug 05 19:54:49 doctor wasn't thorough enough last time Aug 05 19:54:50 from there you can nuke USB data and apps, then doctor Aug 05 19:54:53 device info -> secure full erase Aug 05 19:54:57 there were account remnants and USB contents still present Aug 05 19:55:03 glazunov: are you using any special settings? Aug 05 19:55:22 Device Info -» Reset Options -» Secure Full Erase Aug 05 19:55:44 I'll bet you could pass the doctor params to instruct it to do a full erase: but I don't know them Aug 05 19:55:44 davegarbs: no all the settings were automatically set after the reboot...haven't had a need to change anything...no yet anyway Aug 05 19:56:10 to google! Aug 05 19:56:24 you didn't change anything in govnah? Aug 05 19:56:47 work time! Aug 05 19:59:08 erasing! Aug 05 19:59:20 secure full erase? Aug 05 19:59:56 yup Aug 05 20:00:02 couldn't find any webosdoctor params Aug 05 20:00:11 otherwise I would have preferred that Aug 05 20:00:38 why? on-device is easier imo Aug 05 20:03:00 just contemplating future complications Aug 05 20:03:46 it would be nice if, say one day I completely brick the phone, I could do a secure full erase and re-doctor all in one step, rather than doctor to get the phone working, and then do a secure full erase after the fact Aug 05 20:04:01 * Muhb always likes to think worst-case scenario Aug 05 20:04:02 :) Aug 05 20:04:08 but I don't think there's such a thing with the pre Aug 05 20:04:11 haha Aug 05 20:31:24 ? Aug 05 20:31:50 ? Aug 05 20:35:32 q Aug 05 21:35:02 rwhitby here? Aug 05 21:35:12 * Jack87 wishes for keyboard binding options in future webOS release Aug 05 21:35:31 siestacat_onpixi, in probably 1-2 hrs Aug 05 21:35:59 alright, I'll check in later Aug 05 21:36:06 concerning linphone Aug 05 22:13:41 shoot Aug 05 22:13:46 did a secure full erase Aug 05 22:13:50 forgot to plug the phone in Aug 05 22:13:55 battery died Aug 05 22:14:02 stuck at glowing "palm" Aug 05 22:14:12 blargh Aug 05 22:14:15 doctor time! :) Aug 05 22:16:08 eh oh Aug 05 22:16:18 * Jack87 hopes you didn't mess up the modem Aug 05 22:19:09 Muhb: What's the word could you doctor back? Aug 05 22:19:30 hey Jack87 Aug 05 22:19:39 hi PatrickC Aug 05 22:19:54 Hello all. Aug 05 22:20:30 hey Aug 05 22:20:35 technical question. Aug 05 22:20:42 ok Aug 05 22:20:59 Any one install the "Private Browsing" Browser WebOS patch? Aug 05 22:21:42 It DOES work; however, it still adds to the "Search Using" area of the TP. Any idea how to clean that up? Aug 05 22:30:09 "search using" ? is that the justtype thing? Aug 05 22:30:27 dwc-, gonna be merging your patch ina few min Aug 05 22:30:41 dwc-, did u also have the connection/double text/cant send bug? Aug 05 22:31:17 that's one bug? Aug 05 22:31:43 yup Aug 05 22:31:46 I have connection bugs, cant send I think is related to one of the connection bugs, and I don't know what double text is Aug 05 22:32:06 wanna test a ipk soon? Aug 05 22:32:15 sure, why not Aug 05 22:33:54 yea... find says the only modified bits in my install is the wirc plugin, so I have everything else in my git repo Aug 05 22:34:08 huh? Aug 05 22:35:03 I've been testing a handful of things Aug 05 22:35:11 but I started to get lazy about using palm-install or uploading the ipk Aug 05 22:35:16 and just started scp'ing the wirc bin Aug 05 22:36:25 wIRC testing. I'M IN :) Aug 05 22:36:27 (if I can be) Aug 05 22:37:20 actually it's sad, I have 3-4 things half-fixed, heh... I should finish them Aug 05 22:39:42 Muhb: What's the word could you doctor back? <-- Haven't started yet, I don't have a Linux VM. Aug 05 22:39:44 :( Aug 05 22:39:55 Ubuntu was giving me grief. Aug 05 22:39:55 why is that needed? Aug 05 22:40:00 just download the doctor? Aug 05 22:40:00 meta-doctor. Aug 05 22:40:05 It's a nonstandard phone... Aug 05 22:40:08 ah Aug 05 22:40:39 WUBI it Aug 05 22:41:23 I'd like a more permanant and portable solution Aug 05 22:41:39 This is just the latest in a long chain of events where I've gone "dang I wish I had linux" Aug 05 22:42:18 wubi could be a permanent solution Aug 05 22:42:19 I've been trying to set up a solution with my usb drive, but I've had little luck Aug 05 22:42:29 but then it's not portable Aug 05 22:42:32 :p Aug 05 22:42:34 :) Aug 05 22:42:37 Jack87 is the bomb with Ubuntu :) Aug 05 22:42:48 dwc-, PatrickC https://www.box.net/shared/u1eorm9v62d956fdnd5o Aug 05 22:43:14 thanks Aug 05 22:43:16 what is this share.swf Aug 05 22:43:21 is the box.net app on the tp free? Aug 05 22:43:34 big thing in the middle, for a download button? Aug 05 22:43:38 PatrickC_: yes Aug 05 22:43:40 its free Aug 05 22:43:46 Jack87: appid? Aug 05 22:44:07 dwc-, need a different link Aug 05 22:44:08 ? Aug 05 22:44:21 no, there's a working download link up top, I'm just curious what it does Aug 05 22:44:36 ya the big area is a stupid flashy flash link Aug 05 22:44:38 :/ Aug 05 22:44:38 I'll just ask a box employee what it does Aug 05 22:45:36 I mean, what it does besides annoy me by not having the direct dl.box.net link that I can copy/paste into the pre's ssh, heh Aug 05 22:47:08 dwc-, idk why it wont just spit out a direct download link Aug 05 22:47:34 http://m.box.net/index.php?rm=box_download_shared_file&file_id=f_852416199&shared_name=u1eorm9v62d956fdnd5o Aug 05 22:47:37 :) Aug 05 22:47:39 that should be it Aug 05 22:48:07 it's ok... I already downloaded it in firefox, scp'd it to the pre, and installed it from preware Aug 05 22:48:27 why dont u just palm-install? Aug 05 22:48:34 so much easier Aug 05 22:48:46 because I haven't rebooted and the novacomd/kernel module are stuck :P Aug 05 22:49:09 brb Aug 05 22:49:11 installing Aug 05 22:50:04 bwa haha Aug 05 22:50:08 slax iso you saved me Aug 05 22:50:18 * Muhb made a vm called "HDDless" and booted slax from it Aug 05 22:50:29 yay for the quicknlazy approach :) Aug 05 22:55:25 darn it Aug 05 22:55:27 * Muhb reboots Aug 05 22:56:17 won't download for me.. //cc Puffy_tp Aug 05 22:56:30 fail Aug 05 22:56:49 PatrickC loses! Aug 05 22:56:51 yeah Aug 05 22:56:53 :/ Aug 05 22:57:23 can you share from one box.net acct to another? Aug 05 22:57:39 PuffTheMagic: verified that the preferred address works (but I assume you tested that already) Aug 05 22:57:41 ya whats yoru account email Aug 05 22:57:46 dwc-, no id idnt Aug 05 22:57:51 i just trusted your patch worked Aug 05 22:57:57 patrickappcreator -at gmail Aug 05 22:58:04 * dwc- sticks in a system(rm -rf) next time Aug 05 23:01:14 dwc-, i did review it though Aug 05 23:02:29 ok, well, it works. what else changed? (there's no changelog) Aug 05 23:02:52 i added some clearTimeouts in the js Aug 05 23:05:04 can someone with the box.net app confirm the appid is com.box.webos Aug 05 23:06:22 PatrickC, just downlaod the damn link and install it Aug 05 23:06:48 PuffTheMagic: it won't let me on the phone. and Impostah doesn't see it as an app Aug 05 23:06:58 I have /a/ box.net app Aug 05 23:07:03 but I want the official Aug 05 23:07:19 they shouldn't keep it from phone users Aug 05 23:08:02 even your phone dont have flash u should see a dl linkat that top Aug 05 23:08:36 I see the link Aug 05 23:08:45 it downloads it as an encrypted filename Aug 05 23:08:53 not org.webosinternals...ipk Aug 05 23:09:02 so? Aug 05 23:09:29 I can't open something that doesn't end in .ipk with preware and have it install it Aug 05 23:09:34 I'm not near a computer Aug 05 23:10:02 rename it Aug 05 23:10:03 internalz Aug 05 23:10:11 ah I'll try that Aug 05 23:13:09 2011-08-05T23:11:19.215606Z [23414] palm-webos user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: org.webosinternals.wirc: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'scrollWidth' of undefined, palmInitFramework367:12876 Aug 05 23:13:15 i don't remember seeing that one before Aug 05 23:13:34 dwc-, orientation change?> Aug 05 23:13:37 PuffTheMagic: what's different? Aug 05 23:13:46 idk u tell me Aug 05 23:13:58 u said you had connection issues before Aug 05 23:14:01 do u still? Aug 05 23:14:04 PuffTheMagic: no, it's just sitting here on the charger Aug 05 23:14:06 the "Tab Complete" is new? Aug 05 23:14:16 no Aug 05 23:14:23 PuffTheMagic: that can't be tested unless I leave it on overnight Aug 05 23:14:27 I ment the setting for it Aug 05 23:14:41 PuffTheMagic: but my second server isn't connecting Aug 05 23:15:01 what phone/os?> Aug 05 23:15:03 (I typically only connect it to one... once I start doing two, the plugin seems to get less happy and crash) Aug 05 23:15:09 pre2/2.1.0 Aug 05 23:15:23 plugin crashes? Aug 05 23:15:30 yesh..... Aug 05 23:15:40 proof? Aug 05 23:15:58 root@mojo:/var/log# ls /media/internal/corefiles/wirc.*.core | wc -l Aug 05 23:15:58 33 Aug 05 23:16:23 that's why I was asking you about debugging the other day Aug 05 23:16:44 because I was trying to track down the causes Aug 05 23:16:44 auto join enabled? Aug 05 23:16:47 no Aug 05 23:18:11 i can connect to 2 no prob on my tp Aug 05 23:18:18 guess i will have to charge up my shit pre2 Aug 05 23:19:06 the only different setting I can think of is that I have preferred interfaces set... I'll turn that off Aug 05 23:20:44 nope, that didn't do it Aug 05 23:21:49 hmm Aug 05 23:22:09 was not able to connect to two ircds as the second, one which I run, the other one being freenode Aug 05 23:22:14 dwc-, i really dont like that fact that i just plugged in a pre Aug 05 23:22:18 was able to connect to work's ircd though as the second Aug 05 23:22:49 this is odd Aug 05 23:22:59 what interface u using? Aug 05 23:22:59 waiit a second Aug 05 23:23:06 is this a catalog build (nossl?) Aug 05 23:23:23 ummm Aug 05 23:23:24 I just realized the two that I tried to connect to as the second were both using ssl Aug 05 23:23:36 i might have forgot to do SSL=1 Aug 05 23:23:49 forgot that was conditional Aug 05 23:24:25 how is it that ssl was even an option though Aug 05 23:25:02 yea, I don't see anything for tls/ssl in the advanced settings Aug 05 23:25:37 the difference is I'm connecting to an SSL port and starting with something that isn't an SSL/TLS handshake and the server is closing the connetion Aug 05 23:26:57 so u had a preconfigured server that was set to ssl Aug 05 23:27:03 yep Aug 05 23:27:21 1 sec Aug 05 23:27:29 actually, I have several of those =] Aug 05 23:27:54 https://www.box.net/shared/u1eorm9v62d956fdnd5o Aug 05 23:27:56 this should have ssl Aug 05 23:28:09 in fact, the only reason I was connecting to a non-SSL'd in the first place was I was trying to see if SSL was affecting the wirc crashes Aug 05 23:29:18 Puffy_tp: does the "lag meter" constantly ping the connection? Aug 05 23:29:34 define constantly Aug 05 23:29:48 every X seconds Aug 05 23:29:52 yes Aug 05 23:30:00 how else would u determine lag? Aug 05 23:30:05 cool. that should keep me connected overnight, Aug 05 23:30:15 I figured that's what it did, just checking Aug 05 23:30:21 PatrickC: you wish! Aug 05 23:30:29 dwc-: huh? Aug 05 23:31:10 I still got kicked off at night or during idle times Aug 05 23:31:19 weird Aug 05 23:31:32 though, I think one of the versions in the last ~4 months has mostly fixed that, for non-crashing-plugin incidences Aug 05 23:32:31 I've never used the lag-meter before.. so.. Aug 05 23:34:24 dwc-, u install the ssl verision? Aug 05 23:39:46 yes. seems to work. Aug 05 23:40:27 I can't reliably reproduce the crashes, but I can let you know if they seem to go away in the next few days Aug 05 23:41:25 same here Aug 05 23:42:15 cryptk|offline: ping Aug 05 23:42:28 or anyone who works at the patches portal Aug 05 23:43:53 certainly knowing that it should be fixed, I'll hammer it a little harder with the behaviors that used to be more correlated with crashes Aug 06 00:59:08 awww, my plugin still crashes Aug 06 01:15:56 morning Aug 06 01:17:02 so after some use today I noticed that my Touchpad memory usage in Govnah was up around 800mb. the only app I had open was govnah. I did a Luna restart and the memory usage went down about 100mb to 700 mb . I then did a full reboot and it came up around Aug 06 01:17:02 530mb. Why is the memory not freed up after long use? is there a way to free up memory without any type of reboots? This has got to be a problem that HP is aware of and hopefully is trying to fix.... Aug 06 01:17:08 morning Aug 06 01:17:15 afternoon for me Aug 06 01:19:13 oh...by the way rod. I have noticed decreased keyboard response with the 1.7ghz fxxx kernel. just reporting my observation Aug 06 01:19:57 my post earlier regarding memory refers to the stock kernel Aug 06 01:22:03 Guess Rod has not had his coffee yet Aug 06 01:44:23 * rwhitby does not look at > 1.5 GHz problems at this time Aug 06 01:44:50 greetings rwhitby Aug 06 01:45:26 navinag, you may want to try something like jstop to see if you can tell what's using that much ram Aug 06 02:11:51 just picked up a touchpad for $200 off and am already loving your hard work!!A Aug 06 02:51:55 So Preware hasnt been converted to eyno Ui yet? Aug 06 02:52:17 I believe its a work in progress. Aug 06 02:52:27 What about the add/del launcher pages patch Aug 06 02:52:31 I just got a TP :p Aug 06 02:52:38 that I have no clue :) Aug 06 02:53:52 Nvm found it Aug 06 02:53:59 Its an linux app Aug 06 02:55:29 Abyssul, good software takes TIME and patience Aug 06 02:57:11 Abyssul, pretty much everyone in WOSI does this as a hobby, so dev is usualy slower than your average company **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 06 02:59:57 2011