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Aug 06 03:01:23 <ka6sox> no slower...just better.
Aug 06 03:31:15 <cryptk> PatrickC, what did you need
Aug 06 03:31:31 <PatrickC> how would I package images into a patch?
Aug 06 03:31:40 <PatrickC> for submission to the patch portal
Aug 06 03:32:37 <cryptk> you mean like screenshots?
Aug 06 03:33:39 <PatrickC> I want to have my patch replace images with edited ones
Aug 06 03:34:00 <cryptk> a patch like that likely would have to be checked directly into the git repo
Aug 06 03:34:31 <PatrickC> ok. so I would just build an IPK?
Aug 06 03:34:57 <PatrickC> Abyssul: ping
Aug 06 03:36:40 <cryptk> PatrickC, no
Aug 06 03:36:57 <cryptk> look at how the sconix patches work with their additional files
Aug 06 03:37:08 <PatrickC> ok.
Aug 06 03:37:14 <cryptk> it would require writing a patch, having a tar.gz with the extra images, having a custom postinst
Aug 06 03:37:24 <PatrickC> ok
Aug 06 03:37:25 <cryptk> and having write access to the git repo
Aug 06 03:37:53 <PatrickC> well, once I get the patch finished, I'll worry about the last part
Aug 06 03:43:16 <PatrickC> advanced systems behavior is one of those, right?
Aug 06 03:45:22 <cryptk> yeah
Aug 06 03:46:11 <PatrickC> there is no .tar.gz or a postinit
Aug 06 03:46:29 <cryptk> are you looking at it on the github repo?
Aug 06 03:46:45 <PatrickC> I was looking at the ipkg.preware.org link
Aug 06 03:46:52 <PatrickC> where's the git repo for patches?
Aug 06 03:46:58 <PatrickC> git.webos-internals.org ?
Aug 06 03:47:48 <cryptk> <cryptk> are you looking at it on the github repo?
Aug 06 03:47:53 <cryptk> notice how I said GITHUB
Aug 06 03:48:09 <PatrickC> where is it?
Aug 06 03:48:14 <PatrickC> I've never seen it before
Aug 06 03:48:15 <cryptk> and to do a patch like that requires having access to the patches repo as well as the build repo
Aug 06 03:48:33 <cryptk> you could probably find it by looking at https://github.com/webos-internals/
Aug 06 03:48:36 <PatrickC> well, once the patch is finished, I'll worry about that
Aug 06 03:51:59 <PatrickC> I don't see any tar.gz in the patches/2.1.0/advanced folder
Aug 06 03:52:10 <rwhitby> Abyssul: what new capabilities would you expect to appear from converting Preware to Enyo?  Apart from making it incompatible with the majority of webOS devices existing right now?
Aug 06 04:29:05 <Abyssul-Pre> wirc on tp :-)
Aug 06 04:29:27 <PatrickC> cool :)
Aug 06 04:29:37 <PatrickC> I got our answer about the patch
Aug 06 04:29:55 <Abyssul-Pre> what's that
Aug 06 04:30:10 <PatrickC> "a patch like that likely would have to be checked directly into the git repo"
Aug 06 04:30:23 <PatrickC> " it would require writing a patch, having a tar.gz with the extra images, having a custom postinst"
Aug 06 04:30:34 <Abyssul-Pre>  or just use a theme ipk
Aug 06 04:30:55 <PatrickC> and submit it as a patch?
Aug 06 04:31:04 <Abyssul-Pre> I'll probably work init sunday
Aug 06 04:31:33 <Abyssul-Pre> I guess either would work
Aug 06 04:41:02 <Muhb> Cygwin worked like a charm, I don't know why they don't support it anymore.
Aug 06 04:41:34 <Muhb> meta-doctored a 2.1 doctor for a sprint phone, and a 2.1 doctor for an at&t pre plus, both worked flawlessly.
Aug 06 04:44:47 <Muhb> granted, I was using a full cygwin install, I don't know if a base install would have worked.
Aug 06 04:46:03 <flare576> Noob question: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Chrooting says the option is "ADD_EXT3FS_PARTITION" but the MAKEFILE says "EXT3FS_PARTITION_SIZE"  Can I assume the Wiki just wasn't updated, or do I need to add the option it specifies to the MAKEFILE?
Aug 06 04:47:38 <scoutcamper|away> flare576, wiki is old
Aug 06 04:47:46 <flare576> danke!
Aug 06 04:56:31 <rwhitby> flare576: always trust the source code, not the documnentation
Aug 06 04:56:53 <flare576> thanks :)
Aug 06 04:56:59 <rwhitby> Muhb: Cygwin (or windows, dunno which) randomly causes people's phones to go into a reboot loop.
Aug 06 04:57:46 <rwhitby> flare576: please correct the wiki page
Aug 06 05:00:41 <flare576> done!
Aug 06 05:44:57 <Muhb> <rwhitby> Muhb: Cygwin (or windows, dunno which) randomly causes people's phones to go into a reboot loop. <-- not mine :B
Aug 06 05:45:27 <Muhb> I'm curious to know what kind of setup others have had installed.
Aug 06 05:46:50 <Muhb> It may also have been that they were enabling meta-doctor options that I didn't enable, options that require linux-specific functionality. I'm not familiar enough with the makefiles and all the hacks present to know what's required.
Aug 06 05:51:06 <Muhb> The only major think I can think of that could potentially be an issue when using cygwin as opposed to true linux, is symlink and mount/loopback support.
Aug 06 05:52:37 <Muhb> but from what I could tell, nothing I enabled required such functionaliy... or if it did, cygwin was able to fake it well enough, this time... not sure how it worked out, but I've got 2.1 on my pre+ now. :B
Aug 06 05:54:14 <Muhb> Now the only remaining issue is figuring out how to sign into my palm profile... since the firstuse app is now the gesture tutorial, I'm not sure how to go about signing in, since I bypassed it, in hopes of doing it later... might have been a mistake, methinks...
Aug 06 05:54:38 <flare576> that was an ordeal.... Someday I'm going to learn "If it's not working the way you think it should, and you've followed all the instructions, shut everything down and restart"
Aug 06 06:03:49 <PuffTheMagic> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppuZEo_IRSY
Aug 06 06:08:16 <flare576> well... that's no fun.  I was hoping 3.0.2 would fix my WiFi issue... I'm set up using 128bit shared WEP, and the touchpad can't seem to connect... Pre- has no problem
Aug 06 06:09:13 <flare576> just comes back with "Unable to connect. Try again."  When I turn off security, works fine.
Aug 06 06:09:55 <flare576> power cycled router, power cycled touchpad... re-entered the code about 20 times in case of typos... I'm sort of out of ideas.
Aug 06 06:13:45 <flare576> try changing broadcast to g-only.... I don't think anything in the house uses b...
Aug 06 06:14:03 <Lumiere> try popping it up to wpa?
Aug 06 06:14:20 <Lumiere> and odd characters in password?
Aug 06 06:14:33 <flare576> WPA doesn't work with some of our other devices
Aug 06 06:14:39 <flare576> password is all digits.
Aug 06 06:15:02 <flare576> G-only didn't help...
Aug 06 06:15:43 <flare576> SSID is all caps, though... that shouldn't matter
Aug 06 06:16:51 <flare576> odd, touchpad can't handle "Shared WEP," it has to be "Open"
Aug 06 06:17:30 <flare576> wonder what that will do to all the other devices...
Aug 06 06:21:35 <Jack87> PuffTheMagic: been playing with tide. great work!
Aug 06 06:21:54 <PuffTheMagic> thanks
Aug 06 06:27:29 <Jack87> dwc-: ping?
Aug 06 06:30:51 * Jack87 thinks he is having similar issue with wirc as dwc- 
Aug 06 06:31:52 <dwc-> ?
Aug 06 06:36:46 <Jack87> dwc-: wirc disconnects me right as I send a message on both pre2 and veer
Aug 06 06:38:53 <PatrickC_> its done that to me too
Aug 06 06:39:22 <Jack87> flare576: update firmware from other devices that don't support wpa
Aug 06 06:39:24 <dwc-> mmm, I don't usually see that
Aug 06 06:39:34 <dwc-> when I DO send a message and it then tells me that it's disconnected
Aug 06 06:39:43 <dwc-> I've *been* disconnected already, but wirc just hasn't told me about it
Aug 06 06:39:49 <flare576> Jack87: you update a Nintendo DS :)
Aug 06 06:39:49 <Jack87> they most likely have firmware/drivers that support it
Aug 06 06:40:09 <dwc-> one thing you can check before you hit enter in a channel is if the user count is 0 or not
Aug 06 06:40:21 <PuffTheMagic> Jack87, https://www.box.net/shared/u1eorm9v62d956fdnd5o
Aug 06 06:40:29 <PatrickC_> dwc-: it doesn't usually tell me 0 users
Aug 06 06:40:32 <dwc-> the other is if you have another client or access to logs fo the channel, compare what time you see the disconnect when you hit enter
Aug 06 06:40:39 <PatrickC_> it just disconnects me
Aug 06 06:40:41 <PuffTheMagic> i've seen the 0 user bug now and then
Aug 06 06:40:47 <PuffTheMagic> try the new ver
Aug 06 06:40:48 <Jack87> thanks Mr puffy
Aug 06 06:41:01 <dwc-> PuffTheMagic: dunno if you saw my earlier message, my plugin still crashed
Aug 06 06:41:14 <dwc-> ... right after I left the office
Aug 06 06:42:02 <PatrickC_> PuffTheMagic: it never says 0 users for me. just disconnects me
Aug 06 06:42:06 <Jack87> its been doing it for some time now :'( hopefully this will resolve it
Aug 06 06:42:08 <dwc-> so all my crashes, at least, aren't fixed... I'll try to stress it some more and see if I can get some more data for you
Aug 06 06:42:17 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC_, try the new ver
Aug 06 06:42:21 <dwc-> PatrickC_: is there a "Connecting... disconnected" in your server window
Aug 06 06:42:29 <PuffTheMagic> dwc-, does it ever crash not using ssl?
Aug 06 06:42:34 <dwc-> PuffTheMagic: yes
Aug 06 06:42:36 <PatrickC_> dwc-: there used to be
Aug 06 06:42:47 <PatrickC_> haven't seen it in the new vers yet
Aug 06 06:43:11 <Jack87> PuffTheMagic: I don't think Patrick_ uses SSL and he experiences same thing
Aug 06 06:44:12 * PatrickC_ doesn't use SSL afaik
Aug 06 06:44:52 * Jack87 hates tp browser download manager. works like shit
Aug 06 06:46:18 <PatrickC_> use Universe :)
Aug 06 06:48:16 <PuffTheMagic> Jack87, only dwc- experiences crashes from what i can tell
Aug 06 06:48:26 <PuffTheMagic> dwc-, have u attached to the processes with gdb and got a bt?
Aug 06 06:48:26 <dwc-> yay I'm special!
Aug 06 06:48:47 <dwc-> PuffTheMagic: on a couple of occasions
Aug 06 06:49:04 <PuffTheMagic> do you have them?
Aug 06 06:49:26 <dwc-> I have one of them... only because it showed up while I was working on that last patch
Aug 06 06:49:57 <dwc-> typically, I don't have gdb attached when it crashes because I'm not ssh'd into the phone
Aug 06 06:49:59 <Jack87> dwc-: entire app crashed?
Aug 06 06:50:52 <dwc-> and, the couple of times I've left gdb attached when I'm not paying attention, I come back to the phone, there was a crash (per logs) as well as a luna restart sometime after that but before I've gotten back to it
Aug 06 06:51:07 <Muhb> I am SO glad I made a backup of my old tokens...
Aug 06 06:51:16 <Muhb> I wasn't aware that webosdoctor would overwrite them permanantly
Aug 06 06:51:36 <dwc-> so I suspect there might be something where when the wirc plugin stops responding, it affects how the app and luna are able to function, and perhaps it kills/restarts them?
Aug 06 06:52:05 <dwc-> puffthemagic: http://pastebin.com/wuEnB6jb
Aug 06 06:53:00 <dwc-> typically, malloc() failing suggests there's already corruption prior to the malloc call, I think
Aug 06 06:54:11 <dwc-> in case my line numbers aren't matching up with git, that's this line
Aug 06 06:54:12 <dwc-> irc_session_t * session = malloc (sizeof(irc_session_t));
Aug 06 06:57:39 <PuffTheMagic> something with prefered interface it looks like
Aug 06 06:59:13 <dwc-> preferred itnerface is set, but it's before any code ever handles it
Aug 06 07:02:59 * Jack87 I skeptical if downloading is any better
Aug 06 07:05:08 <PuffTheMagic> Jack87: ok dont try, dont complain either
Aug 06 07:05:58 <Jack87> PuffTheMagic: what are you talking about?
Aug 06 07:06:08 <dwc-> hmm... unlocking the screen... and ssh'ing into my phone, are ass slow again
Aug 06 07:06:31 <dwc-> I wonder which palm process is hozing the system this time!
Aug 06 07:07:02 <Jack87> of course I'm trying new version of wirc. I was talking about universe browser, and wasn't complaining
Aug 06 07:08:18 <Jack87> and will return feed back soon if it resolved issue or not
Aug 06 07:11:45 <Jack87> test
Aug 06 07:11:46 <Jack87> looks like its working so far
Aug 06 07:11:58 <flare576> oh jesus, what did I do now.  Trying to install UberKernal on Touchpad and getting "cp: write error: No space left on device"   Wonder what I borked in MetaDoctor :/
Aug 06 07:11:59 <Jack87> PuffTheMagic: ping
Aug 06 07:12:58 <dwc-> missing an /opt mount and now all that stuff ended up on the / filesystem?
Aug 06 07:14:28 <Jack87> well no disconnect error thus far. looks like wirc 0.4.6 resolved it... either that or wirc just being reinstalled in general resolved it. will try uninstalling and reinstalling old version on pre2 and report back
Aug 06 07:14:47 <flare576> hrm, the only options I adjusted were "ENABLE_DEVLOPER_MODE", "AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE", "ENABLE_TESTING_FEEDS", EXT3FS_PARTITION_SIZE = 10GB"
Aug 06 07:15:23 <Jack87> flare576: how bigi
Aug 06 07:15:30 <Jack87> is your tp?
Aug 06 07:15:34 <flare576> 32gb
Aug 06 07:15:36 <dwc-> pull up a terminal/ssh and see if "mount | grep /opt" turns up anything
Aug 06 07:15:53 <dwc-> or if df -k /opt shows / or /opt
Aug 06 07:16:13 <dwc-> but, while your'e there, plain 'ol df -k will show you which fs is full
Aug 06 07:17:00 <flare576> Terminal not showing up in Preware; dumb question time: is there a 3.0.2 version?
Aug 06 07:17:15 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Aug 06 07:17:19 <Jack87> lol
Aug 06 07:17:26 <Jack87> use novacom
Aug 06 07:17:47 <PuffTheMagic> Jack87: what?
Aug 06 07:17:47 <Jack87> PuffTheMagic: was pinging to test new version looks
Aug 06 07:18:11 <Jack87> like a win for now
Aug 06 07:18:15 <Jack87> flare576: use novacom
Aug 06 07:18:34 <rrix> There's no native terminal for 3.0?
Aug 06 07:18:36 <flare576> Jack87: ok doke; it's been a long night and I'm slowing down :)
Aug 06 07:18:42 <rrix> er, on-device, not native
Aug 06 07:19:26 <siestacat> is rwhitby here?
Aug 06 07:20:52 <Jack87> rrix: maybe xterm otherwise now
Aug 06 07:21:02 <rrix> ah, right
Aug 06 07:21:59 <Jack87> and on screen keyboard has issues /w it I believe
Aug 06 07:22:26 <flare576> mount | grep /opt shows nothing, and /dev/mapper/store-root is full
Aug 06 07:23:34 <siestacat> rwhitby?
Aug 06 07:24:32 * Jack87 wonders what rwhitby's phone of choice is.
Aug 06 07:25:36 <flare576> I didn't think 10GB for ext3fs was out of line.... it's basically an OS partition for ubuntu...
Aug 06 07:26:59 <siestacat> so rwhitby isn't available?
Aug 06 07:27:04 <Jack87> ya min is 8gig for full install. 10 seems reasonable enough
Aug 06 07:28:32 <Jack87> siestacat: its Saturday he is portly busy. hang tight he might be around later as usual. what did you need? maybe others can help.
Aug 06 07:29:16 <siestacat> I need to talk to him about alpha-testing linphone
Aug 06 07:29:29 <siestacat> I always miss him.
Aug 06 07:29:40 <siestacat> different continents
Aug 06 07:29:45 <rrix> doesn't he have an email address?
Aug 06 07:29:50 <dwc-> you can /msg him
Aug 06 07:29:57 <dwc-> and stay logged in and he'll msg you back
Aug 06 07:30:23 <Jack87> few options out there
Aug 06 07:30:34 <dwc-> or, you can put something like "rwhitby: <whatever you want to say>" ... he usually responds "check your pm" to people in channel so I assume he msg'ed them
Aug 06 07:31:13 <Jack87> pm him in precentral? or leave a note in linphone thread if there is one
Aug 06 07:31:25 <dwc-> here.
Aug 06 07:32:03 <siestacat> don't think this will stay connected to IRC all night for msg to work
Aug 06 07:32:17 <flare576> ah, well, it helps to finish the instructions... :/
Aug 06 07:32:26 <siestacat> I'll pm him on precentral I guess
Aug 06 07:32:56 <dwc-> do you have issues with wirc staying connected?
Aug 06 07:34:32 <siestacat> yes
Aug 06 07:38:25 <Jack87> flare576: what did you miss?
Aug 06 07:38:29 <flare576> well crap.  I didn't finish the steps for mounting on boot initially (ext3fs)
Aug 06 07:38:45 <flare576> after adding it and restarting, the / is still full
Aug 06 07:38:58 <dwc-> you have to remove the old crap
Aug 06 07:39:04 <dwc-> that is still in /
Aug 06 07:39:10 <flare576> yup, I figured that, but I don't know where to look
Aug 06 07:39:11 <Jack87> siestacat: <PuffTheMagic> Jack87, https://www.box.net/shared/u1eorm9v62d956fdnd5o
Aug 06 07:39:15 <flare576> root is a big place ;)
Aug 06 07:39:18 <dwc-> unmount your /opt, cd to /opt and rm -rf *
Aug 06 07:41:53 <flare576> hrm.  "/bin/sh: unmount; not found"
Aug 06 07:42:03 <dwc-> umount
Aug 06 07:42:43 <flare576> thanks... I think I'm dangerously tired and inexperienced just now, but I'd like this thing working before I go to bed
Aug 06 07:44:28 <flare576> umount /opt gives "Invalid argument" and an "ls /opt" gives nothing
Aug 06 07:44:56 <flare576> s/nothing/empty directory
Aug 06 07:45:48 <dwc-> are you cd'd into /opt already?
Aug 06 07:45:54 <flare576> nope, at root
Aug 06 07:46:09 <dwc-> try umount -f /opt
Aug 06 07:46:33 <flare576> "can't forcibly unmount /opt: invalid argument"
Aug 06 07:47:16 <rwhitby> flare576: do you know how to use pastebin.com ?
Aug 06 07:47:28 <flare576> yup
Aug 06 07:47:35 <dwc-> ok, undo what you did in the instructions to get /opt working, then reboot, then see what's in /opt
Aug 06 07:47:52 <flare576> ok dwc-
Aug 06 07:49:38 <rwhitby> flare576: pastebin the output of "cat /proc/mounts" and "df"
Aug 06 07:52:56 <flare576> ./proc/mounts: http://pastebin.com/MnYdWEmf  df: http://pastebin.com/47PqfqWt
Aug 06 07:54:09 <rwhitby> ok, so you have an ext3fs partition and it's mounted
Aug 06 07:54:29 <rwhitby> and your rootfs is full
Aug 06 07:54:57 <flare576> yes, but I did it after I downloaded the ubuntu 11.04 chroot
Aug 06 07:55:08 <rwhitby> so, if /opt is empty, then it's likely you have stuff in /media/ext3fs which is occluded by the mount
Aug 06 07:55:08 <rwhitby> so umount /media/ext3fs
Aug 06 07:55:08 <rwhitby> then check in /media/ext3fs for files
Aug 06 07:55:28 <rwhitby> if there is stuff in there after you've unmounted it, then delete that stuff.
Aug 06 07:55:57 <rwhitby> what has happened is the ubuntu chroot has ended up in the tiny / partition cause the ext3fs partition was not mounted
Aug 06 07:56:06 <flare576> yay!
Aug 06 07:57:01 <flare576> and then "mount /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs /media/ext3fs" to put it back?
Aug 06 07:57:17 <rwhitby> once you have deleted the files that ended up in the root partition, yes.
Aug 06 07:57:42 <rwhitby> pastebin cat /proc/mounts and df again after you've done that to be sure
Aug 06 07:59:57 <flare576> new /proc/mounts: http://pastebin.com/PnwYvge8 new df: http://pastebin.com/APi04tQs
Aug 06 08:00:27 <flare576> UberKernal install successful
Aug 06 08:01:34 <flare576> thank you, rwhitby, I understand the underlying behavior of linux mounting much better!
Aug 06 08:04:16 <rwhitby> those pastes look much better
Aug 06 08:04:16 <rwhitby> you'll need to reinstall the ubuntu chroot
Aug 06 08:04:16 <rwhitby> make sure you change /etc/fstab to mount ext3fs automatically
Aug 06 08:04:16 <rwhitby> and remember that OTA updates are likely to break that
Aug 06 08:05:00 <flare576> already reinstalled ubuntu chroot, updated fstab between downloads :)  and I'll remember!
Aug 06 08:05:57 <flare576> tomorrow will be trying to understand how to get Xecutah on the touchpad.  Wiki makes it sound pretty intimidating and I don't see it in Preware like I do on my Pre-, so... there may be a learning curve :)
Aug 06 08:07:13 <flare576> oh, there it is...
Aug 06 08:07:27 * flare576 goes to bed before he hurts himself or others
Aug 06 08:08:33 <flare576> thank you all again :)  Keep up the amazing work, and PuffTheMagic; I'll be trying Tide very soon :)
Aug 06 08:10:11 <rwhitby> you've already done the hard part of xecutah
Aug 06 08:10:23 <rwhitby> now you just need the testing feeds and just install it
Aug 06 08:15:42 <flare576> yup!  The first time I looked I didn't see it; I blame 1/2 consciousness.  Night all :)
Aug 06 08:15:59 <Jack87> night flare576_sleep
Aug 06 08:23:14 <Jack87> osk keyboard seems to be working ok for me in xterm.
Aug 06 08:23:35 <Jack87> (not on dev beta but am running 3.0.2)
Aug 06 08:34:32 <siestacat> hmm
Aug 06 08:35:18 <rrix> lol
Aug 06 08:39:00 <Jack87> hum. can't do upercase though
Aug 06 09:35:48 <siestacat> can't get voipbuster to work with linphone
Aug 06 09:36:45 <siestacat> any way I can configure ports?
Aug 06 09:40:27 <siestacat> hmm...
Aug 06 09:40:56 <siestacat> endless "waiting for service to come up"
Aug 06 10:03:21 <manuelwolf> hello guys
Aug 06 10:06:07 <manuelwolf> guys , will be hacked phone antenna of Touchpad 4G in your opinion ?
Aug 06 11:32:29 <DWarrior> is there any way to open ports on freetether, or are they managed by the service provider?
Aug 06 14:31:55 <PatrickC_> morning
Aug 06 14:52:38 <PatrickC> Puffy_tp: wIRC stayed connected all night :)
Aug 06 16:59:57 <PatrickC> anyone with a touchpad and Internalz around? have a quick question
Aug 06 17:00:38 * PatrickC wonders what happens if you change palm-build-info to 3.0.2 and reboot...
Aug 06 17:21:03 <PatrickC> impostah keeps going back to its place that *I* put it after reboot. acts like I never uninstalled it/reinstalled it when I did
Aug 06 17:26:34 <CorpX> where could i see the source code for a touchpad app?
Aug 06 17:27:15 <PatrickC> probably github if its open source
Aug 06 17:27:31 <CorpX> whats a good app to see
Aug 06 17:27:43 <PatrickC> what are you looking for?
Aug 06 17:28:16 <CorpX> just to see some enyo code
Aug 06 17:28:31 <PatrickC> Spaz HD
Aug 06 17:31:55 <CorpX> i wanna do something like the old ap mobile
Aug 06 17:31:58 <CorpX> on the pre
Aug 06 17:32:10 <CorpX> go to the ap rss feed, pull stories
Aug 06 17:32:16 <CorpX> and then pull content and parse the text
Aug 06 17:32:20 <CorpX> that'd be legal right
Aug 06 17:32:25 <PatrickC> idk
Aug 06 17:32:34 <PatrickC> probably
Aug 06 17:32:44 <CorpX> i thought it'd be if all the parsing is done client side
Aug 06 17:32:49 <CorpX> be just like a greasemonkey script or something
Aug 06 17:33:11 <flare576> so, according to BoraWare's post (http://tinyurl.com/4xvgxjf), I should install a window manager in the chroot.  I discovered the default for Ubuntu right now is metacity... any known issues with touch interface?
Aug 06 17:53:33 <PatrickC> well, my Pre2 now reports as a TouchPad :)
Aug 06 18:00:17 <PatrickC> ok, my device shows me that its 3.0.2 but the servers still say its 2.1.0
Aug 06 18:02:36 <PatrickC> is git.webos-internals.org down?
Aug 06 18:03:15 <PatrickC> it looks like all webos-internals is down..
Aug 06 18:06:04 <Loudergood> PatrickC: not broken here
Aug 06 18:06:46 <PatrickC> could be because of my new masq...
Aug 06 18:06:48 <PatrickC> hmm..
Aug 06 18:09:31 * PatrickC wonders how to trick the servers.. hmm.
Aug 06 18:10:31 <flare576> how many apps are you seeing?
Aug 06 18:11:34 <PatrickC> I see all the 2.1.0 apps and below
Aug 06 18:11:52 <flare576> brb, wirc update!
Aug 06 18:11:58 <PatrickC> my phone already reports to everything on the phone that its 3.0.2
Aug 06 18:11:59 <PatrickC> ok
Aug 06 18:12:56 <PatrickC> I want to masq my profile as 3.0.2
Aug 06 18:13:03 <flare576> I see 420 apps...
Aug 06 18:13:16 <PatrickC> how do I check?
Aug 06 18:13:24 <PatrickC> preware doesn't have them anymore
Aug 06 18:16:39 <PatrickC> hmm.. backing up didn't change my profile..
Aug 06 18:19:41 <flare576> hah, installed metacity but no desktop manager... then minimized the console window after startinf
Aug 06 18:19:56 <flare576> *starting metacity.
Aug 06 18:29:10 <Muhb> OK, quick question... with 1.4.5, with BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP, I could enable wifi, and log into my palm profile using the First Use app, but as I understand it, as of 2.1.0, the first use app is now the gesture tutorial, and I can't seem to figure out how to tie my redoctored device to my profile again...
Aug 06 18:29:41 <Muhb> I've been trying various things, and either the Gesture Tutorial just takes me through the backswipe gesture and then ends, or it shows a black screen and I have to reset the device.
Aug 06 18:29:46 <Muhb> Won't prompt for email/password.
Aug 06 18:31:38 <Muhb> How does one go about logging in to a palm profile over wifi with 2.1.0?
Aug 06 18:52:03 * Muhb doctors back to 1.4.5 to see if he can't locate the config file responsible for remembering the email address associated with the palm profile...
Aug 06 18:52:20 <Muhb> if I could find that and add it to the doctor like a token, I could just log in using the backup utility
Aug 06 18:52:22 <Muhb> probably
Aug 06 18:52:42 <Muhb> :/
Aug 06 18:53:18 <Muhb> better yet, I wonder if I can back up the old first use app and create a custom ipk and use that in 2.1.0... lol
Aug 06 18:53:58 <Muhb> should have thought of that before redoctoring, dang
Aug 06 19:01:46 * PatrickC wanders in
Aug 06 19:08:38 <flare576> YAY!!! metacity/lxde running on my overclocked touchpad!  goal accomplished, donation incoming!
Aug 06 19:22:19 * Muhb sighs
Aug 06 19:22:34 <Muhb> this should not be this difficult
Aug 06 19:26:29 <PatrickC> what?
Aug 06 19:26:39 <flare576> curses... no Bluetooth keyboard yet and can't seem to copy from webOS into chroot :(
Aug 06 19:29:15 <Muhb> PatrickC, I'm trying to start over completely
Aug 06 19:29:56 <Muhb> with the end goal of having 2.1.0 on my palm pre plus, and access to my palm profile... I haven't found a way to log in without Data access.
Aug 06 19:30:01 <Muhb> I don't have a data plan, I need wifi.
Aug 06 19:31:19 <Muhb> With 1.4.5, I could BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP, enable wifi, launch First Use, and log in that way, but as of 2.1.0, it looks like the First Use app has become the Gesture Tutorial, and when I launch that, it either just goes through the tutorial, without a prompt for an email/password, or (on my most recent attempt at redoctoring/tweaking) it just gave me a blank screen and locked up the phone.
Aug 06 19:31:33 <Muhb> :(
Aug 06 19:32:30 <flare576> Muhb: have you tried following the instructions for copying WiFi profiles over?
Aug 06 19:32:57 <Muhb> ...I honestly didn't think of that. Would that even work?
Aug 06 19:33:05 <Muhb> I have my doubts
Aug 06 19:33:19 <Muhb> Because on first boot up, wifi is always disabled, and I have no way to enable it
Aug 06 19:33:25 <Muhb> (unless I BYPASS_FIRST_USE)
Aug 06 19:33:53 <Muhb> so even if I had the profiles... eh, I dunno. worth a shot if this attempt fails.
Aug 06 19:35:43 <flare576> I have no idea if it'll work, but it's all I can think of to help (total n00b here)
Aug 06 19:36:03 <Muhb> right now, I just logged into my profile with 1.4.5 and deleted my backup, now I'm running a secure full erase, after which I plan on backing up the 1.4.5 Firstuse app, renaming it so it won't conflict with the Gesture tut, and then installing it on 2.1.0 to try and log into my profile that way...
Aug 06 19:36:26 <Muhb> because I know the 1.4.5 firstuse app works... I just don't know if it'll work on 2.1.0
Aug 06 19:36:40 <Muhb> if nothing else at least it'll let me punch in my email address and will hopefully store that somewhere
Aug 06 19:37:03 <Muhb> and then I may be able to log in from the Backup app by tapping the app menu -> accounts & preferences -> password prompt
Aug 06 19:37:11 <Muhb> I'm trying anything I can think of
Aug 06 19:38:07 <Muhb> if worse comes to worse, I don't really NEED a palm profile tied to this phone, I don't intend on using it to back anything up, I've been doing that manually
Aug 06 19:38:19 <Muhb> but I think it's required for app catalog access
Aug 06 19:40:28 <flare576> I think that's accurate, but again... hi concentration of nub sauce here
Aug 06 19:47:07 <trsohmers> Greetings, programs
Aug 06 19:47:39 <trsohmers> anyone home?
Aug 06 19:50:15 <trsohmers> Hello?
Aug 06 19:51:01 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: wirc randomly disconnected me. here's the log: http://pastie.org/2331329
Aug 06 19:51:42 <PatrickC> trsohmers: yes?
Aug 06 19:52:00 <trsohmers> Hi... I just bought a touchpad about an hour ago... first WebOS device
Aug 06 19:52:11 <PatrickC> cool! congradulations!
Aug 06 19:52:22 <trsohmers> I'm a long time Android user and hacker, and wanted to see what the WebOS scene is like
Aug 06 19:52:36 <PatrickC> its awesome! :)
Aug 06 19:53:58 <trsohmers> There doesnt seem to be much related to the Touchpad on the webos-internals site... is everything device cross compatible?
Aug 06 19:54:10 <trsohmers> So like pre hacks and stuff also works on the Touchpad?
Aug 06 19:56:41 <PatrickC> pretty much
Aug 06 20:04:17 <flare576> trsohmers: best advice is to grab the homebrew guide off the market; great jumping-off point!
Aug 06 20:04:20 <Muhb> <trsohmers> I'm a long time Android user and hacker, and wanted to see what the WebOS scene is like <-- welcome to the light side
Aug 06 20:04:22 <Muhb> :B
Aug 06 20:04:31 * Muhb hides
Aug 06 20:05:52 <PatrickC> Muhb: :)
Aug 06 20:06:00 <trsohmers> Haha
Aug 06 20:06:29 <trsohmers> When I told some people from the Android side, they were trying to convince me to stay with Android and not join the dark side
Aug 06 20:06:35 <PatrickC> trsohmers: yes, they are cross-compatible :)
Aug 06 20:06:35 <Muhb> pfft
Aug 06 20:06:41 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 06 20:06:47 <trsohmers> Hopefully we can all agree that Apple is the evil empire.
Aug 06 20:07:02 <PatrickC> apple and google, yes
Aug 06 20:07:12 <trsohmers> lol
Aug 06 20:07:22 <PatrickC> google == android
Aug 06 20:07:22 <trsohmers> You know WebOS has built in google services? Lol
Aug 06 20:07:23 <PatrickC> :)
Aug 06 20:07:24 <Muhb> Android is to Windows as webOS is to Mac OS: The only reason it sold better was because of greater hardware support (and hype from Google).
Aug 06 20:07:48 <Muhb> I'm still sad at how quickly it stole the spotlight.
Aug 06 20:07:55 <PatrickC> trsohmers: yes, I know webOS (not WebOS) has built in google services
Aug 06 20:07:59 * Muhb sighs
Aug 06 20:08:33 <trsohmers> Sorry guys, but I'll remain a google fanboy for a bit... got my gmail and all my other Google services
Aug 06 20:08:55 <Muhb> building in support for google services and having a service built by google are two different things though ;)
Aug 06 20:08:59 <trsohmers> But I'll definatly be talking about webOS on my radio show this week
Aug 06 20:09:42 <PatrickC> trsohmers: I use gmail too, only because its the only real good free email client..
Aug 06 20:09:49 <PatrickC> trsohmers: radio show, where?
Aug 06 20:09:55 <dwc-> mutt > gmail
Aug 06 20:10:04 * PatrickC googles
Aug 06 20:10:28 <hangfire> dwc-: write a webmail/javascript variant, and I'll use it :P
Aug 06 20:10:32 <trsohmers> My first show is going to be this Tuesday on a local AM radio station
Aug 06 20:10:41 <trsohmers> also going to be setting it up to be available online
Aug 06 20:11:00 <flare576> cool!  good luck to yah!
Aug 06 20:11:03 <Muhb> I'm glad to see you're actually willing to try out webOS to see what it's like. I know an Android fan who's constantly asking me "why do you think webOS is better?" And I do my best to explain some of the pros, offer to show him my Pre to see how it works, but he always refuses to even try it out. Makes no sense to me.
Aug 06 20:11:10 <PatrickC> dwc-: does mutt also give you email address?
Aug 06 20:11:14 <dwc-> hangfire: ajax terminal+ssh already done.
Aug 06 20:11:30 <dwc-> no, mutt is an email client.
Aug 06 20:11:38 <hangfire> dwc-: needs to be accessible in the browser, so people can use it anywhere
Aug 06 20:11:40 <PatrickC> I'm talking about full email service
Aug 06 20:11:52 <trsohmers> I'm open to everything... I'm an Apple computer user who hates their mobile products, a Microsoft software user who hates Windows, and an Android user that is open to everything.
Aug 06 20:11:53 <dwc-> hangfire: they do have an ajax terminal for the browser!
Aug 06 20:11:56 <hangfire> command-line in the browser is next step :)
Aug 06 20:12:25 <dwc-> haven't you seen the linux kernel booting in an emu in js :)
Aug 06 20:12:31 <hangfire> yep
Aug 06 20:12:40 <hangfire> didn't see it do anything useful though >_>
Aug 06 20:13:15 <dwc-> http://www.google.com/search?q=ajax+terminal+ssh
Aug 06 20:13:16 <dwc-> pick one :)
Aug 06 20:13:17 <trsohmers> So, I'm guessing you guys have been able to install Busybox on rooted devices?
Aug 06 20:13:32 <PatrickC> ka6sox, cryptk|offline: I get an error when trying to go to webos-internal sites http://pastie.org/2331417
Aug 06 20:13:37 <dwc-> trsohmers: busybox comes preinstalled on unrooted devices
Aug 06 20:13:48 <trsohmers> meaning you have chroot... have any of you guys chroot installed any OSs?
Aug 06 20:13:54 <PatrickC> trsohmers: you don't root webos :)
Aug 06 20:14:01 <PatrickC> trsohmers: Ubuntu
Aug 06 20:14:02 <trsohmers> Seriously?
Aug 06 20:14:15 <dwc-> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot
Aug 06 20:14:20 <trsohmers> Are you saying webOS comes as root?
Aug 06 20:14:22 <hangfire> I'm trying to connect to my pre+ using novacom in linux
Aug 06 20:14:25 <PatrickC> you can only "gain root access" you don't have to flash any roms
Aug 06 20:14:30 <hangfire> + it's not being detected :-/
Aug 06 20:14:37 <PatrickC> hangfire: in dev mode?
Aug 06 20:14:49 <flare576> "upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart"
Aug 06 20:14:53 <trsohmers> haha
Aug 06 20:14:53 <PatrickC> ^^
Aug 06 20:15:01 <PatrickC> type that on the main screen
Aug 06 20:15:03 <hangfire> Yesh, does that need to be typed on the keyboard?
Aug 06 20:15:14 <PatrickC> yep
Aug 06 20:15:15 <hangfire> I'm stuck behind the 'first-run' wizard
Aug 06 20:15:16 <dwc-> "need to" no, but does it work, it did in the store
Aug 06 20:15:16 <flare576> ding Dev Mode :-)
Aug 06 20:15:30 <PatrickC> hangfire: what os? 1.4.5/2.x?
Aug 06 20:15:43 <dwc-> gsm *#DEVMODE# is it, twice?
Aug 06 20:15:44 <hangfire> the phone is unlocked, but no data, so I need to re-run doctor
Aug 06 20:15:52 <flare576> I just finished getting ubuntu/metacity/lode
Aug 06 20:15:56 <Muhb> flip the first # and *
Aug 06 20:15:59 <trsohmers> Would you guys suggest it would be worth pairing a webOS phone with the touchpad?
Aug 06 20:15:59 <PatrickC> then go into recovery mode
Aug 06 20:16:06 <PatrickC> trsohmers: yes
Aug 06 20:16:12 <trsohmers> Newegg has a pixi for $50 off contract
Aug 06 20:16:14 <trsohmers> Verizon pixi
Aug 06 20:16:14 <PuffTheMagic> who wants to help figure out a puzzle
Aug 06 20:16:16 <hangfire> PatrickC: VolDown + reboot ?
Aug 06 20:16:24 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: mee!!
Aug 06 20:16:32 <PatrickC> hangfire: vol up
Aug 06 20:16:35 <dwc-> I've got a puzzle! why does my wirc crash lik enobody else's except maybe patrick's!
Aug 06 20:16:35 <PuffTheMagic> how does that not surprise me
Aug 06 20:16:39 <hangfire> PatrickC: >_<
Aug 06 20:16:41 <flare576> s/lode/lxde installed
Aug 06 20:16:50 <PatrickC> dwc-: it did crash
Aug 06 20:16:55 <PatrickC> I pasted the log earlier
Aug 06 20:17:09 <dwc-> yea, I'm pretty sure every time people get that lib out of date? error the plugin has crashed
Aug 06 20:17:11 <PatrickC> <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: wirc randomly disconnected me. here's the log: http://pastie.org/2331329
Aug 06 20:17:27 <PuffTheMagic> yaya i saw that, cept you pasted it in the wrong chan
Aug 06 20:17:40 <PuffTheMagic> and that message does not even suggest it disconnected you
Aug 06 20:18:10 <PatrickC> it could also be that my pre2 reports as a touchpad
Aug 06 20:18:32 <PuffTheMagic> ya i dont worry about anything you report you have fucked with your device so much
Aug 06 20:18:33 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: it did disconnect me, and I had to kill wirc with jstop before it would connect again
Aug 06 20:18:46 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 06 20:19:09 <PatrickC> I usually don't speak up unless someone (usually dwc-) says they've experienced it too
Aug 06 20:19:31 <PuffTheMagic> not the same issues
Aug 06 20:19:43 <PatrickC> really?
Aug 06 20:19:54 <PatrickC> I thought the plugin crashed for both of us?
Aug 06 20:20:22 <dwc-> could be similar issues, but we have no useful debug info to say for sure one way or another
Aug 06 20:20:23 <PuffTheMagic> that is a symtom of a problem, not the actual problem
Aug 06 20:21:15 <dwc-> PatrickC: if you want to verify whether your wirc plugin IS crashing, after you get that message, from the terminal, pgrep wirc
Aug 06 20:21:16 <PatrickC> I'm reverting my pre back to 2.1.. things don't like it when it thinks its 3.1.0
Aug 06 20:21:32 <PatrickC> dwc-: I'll remember that
Aug 06 20:21:39 <dwc-> if there is a number corresponding to a process there, then that plugin is still alive
Aug 06 20:21:42 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: what puzzle are we solving?
Aug 06 20:22:02 <dwc-> you can also look at /var/log/messages for minicore attaching to the crashing wirc
Aug 06 20:22:31 <PuffTheMagic> i have a vertical slider in Tide, but i cant figure out how to match the slider position to document position
Aug 06 20:22:44 <Abyssul-TP> howdy
Aug 06 20:22:48 <dwc-> you can also enable crashdumps and get 0-byte files every time wirc crashes, and you can have webos fill up your /media/internal with all the other webos processes crashing
Aug 06 20:23:46 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: no clue..
Aug 06 20:23:46 <PuffTheMagic> i dont want crashdumps from him
Aug 06 20:23:51 <PatrickC> brb reboot
Aug 06 20:23:58 <dwc-> PuffTheMagic: doesn't matter, we only get 0-byte core dumps anyways from wirc
Aug 06 20:24:13 <trsohmers> I really may get a pixi for $50 and have it pair up with this
Aug 06 20:24:16 <trsohmers> to make phone calls and stuf
Aug 06 20:24:16 <PuffTheMagic> dont encourage him
Aug 06 20:24:18 <trsohmers> stuff*
Aug 06 20:25:55 <dwc-> actually, now that I have gdb on-device, I should see if there's anything interesting in all those other palm process crash dumps
Aug 06 20:26:09 <dwc-> root@mojo:/media/internal/corefiles# du -sh .
Aug 06 20:26:09 <dwc-> 1.0G    .
Aug 06 20:26:37 <trsohmers> So I am going to try to get a chroot install of Android running on here
Aug 06 20:26:52 <trsohmers> I also have chroot images I made of Meego, Maemo, Debian, Ubuntu, and Backtrack 5
Aug 06 20:26:55 <trsohmers> <<Nerd
Aug 06 20:28:52 <PatrickC> and im back to reporting 2.1.0... :/
Aug 06 20:30:19 <trsohmers> Is there any way to increase app window size?
Aug 06 20:30:33 <trsohmers> so an app not optimized for the Touchpad, is there any way to scale it?
Aug 06 20:30:49 <PatrickC> if the developer enables it
Aug 06 20:31:24 <dwc-> can a crafty end-user go into the apps dir and change a property?
Aug 06 20:31:46 <trsohmers> ?
Aug 06 20:32:09 <PatrickC> dwc-: yes
Aug 06 20:32:24 <trsohmers> Please, do tell
Aug 06 20:33:22 <PatrickC> Internalz is your friend :)
Aug 06 20:34:07 <dwc-> who needs internalz when you have a terminal
Aug 06 20:34:12 <PatrickC> true
Aug 06 20:34:28 <dwc-> maybe you can just tell him what the property is
Aug 06 20:34:31 <PatrickC> but internalz can be used for on-the-go
Aug 06 20:34:38 <PatrickC> dwc-: or you could :)
Aug 06 20:34:50 <PatrickC> that folder can be greatly misused..
Aug 06 20:35:01 <dwc-> I can't.  I don't actually know what it is.
Aug 06 20:35:15 * dwc- points at the 0 apps he's developed
Aug 06 20:35:24 <PatrickC> ah
Aug 06 20:35:27 <Abyssul-TP> I'd rather use internalz
Aug 06 20:35:32 <PatrickC> its in the /media partition :)
Aug 06 20:35:37 <PatrickC> Abyssul-TP knows where it is
Aug 06 20:36:05 <trsohmers> im doing three things at once, so Im not looking it up right this second
Aug 06 20:36:12 <Abyssul-TP> I thought it was shown in an article before
Aug 06 20:36:14 <Abyssul-TP> hwo
Aug 06 20:36:32 <Abyssul-TP> oops lol damn keyboard
Aug 06 20:36:44 <PatrickC> Abyssul-TP: don't think so.. people can use that folder for bad stuff.. why would they publicize it?
Aug 06 20:37:43 <Abyssul-TP> you could change a single property to change the ui revision attribute to allow Mojo to expand to TP resolution scale
Aug 06 20:37:48 <PatrickC> its somewhere in /media/cryptofs
Aug 06 20:37:52 <trsohmers> very cool... so you just need the Palm SDK to gain terminal access?
Aug 06 20:38:03 <PatrickC> trsohmers: yes I believe so
Aug 06 20:38:08 <PatrickC> well, novacom drivers
Aug 06 20:38:17 <PatrickC> so depends on the host os
Aug 06 20:38:25 <Abyssul-TP> I thought it was in the appinfo.json for each app
Aug 06 20:38:33 <PatrickC> Abyssul-TP: it is
Aug 06 20:38:50 <PatrickC> but to get there you need to go thru the folders of /media/cryptofs
Aug 06 20:39:26 <Abyssul-TP> yea
Aug 06 20:40:21 <PatrickC> Abyssul-TP: any progress on our facebook patch?
Aug 06 20:41:03 <Abyssul-TP> no. been busy with tp and work
Aug 06 20:41:33 <trsohmers> so I take it that HP/alm isn' against the development community?
Aug 06 20:41:48 <PatrickC> nope
Aug 06 20:41:52 <PatrickC> they are totally for us
Aug 06 20:42:07 <PatrickC> they gave wOSI (webOS Internals) a $10,000 server last year
Aug 06 20:42:32 <Abyssul-TP> yep why would you think that trsohmers
Aug 06 20:43:02 <trsohmers> Because all the companies that use Android (Motorola, HTC, Samsung, LG, etc) all are neutral to anti hacking
Aug 06 20:43:23 <hangfire> trsohmers: depends what you mean by hacking -- HTC are opening up
Aug 06 20:44:19 <trsohmers> Motorola locks their devices down all the way... HTC says that they are going to allow people to unlock the bootloaders with an application (who knows if they are really going to do it)... Samsung has unlocked bootloaders, for now... and LG screws the recovery systems and makes overall shitty devices
Aug 06 20:44:23 <Abyssul-TP> hacking means to take advantage of security vulnerabilities for your own gain
Aug 06 20:44:47 <Abyssul-TP> hacking something that is open isn't hacking, its just coding
Aug 06 20:45:19 <dwc-> oh no, the mass media definition of hacking :P
Aug 06 20:45:24 <trsohmers> lol
Aug 06 20:45:45 <trsohmers> My definition of hacking electronics is doing something that was not originally intended by the manufacturer
Aug 06 20:46:27 <Abyssul-TP> patrickc, adding uirevision attribute to the appinfo.json to 2 will make it full screen
Aug 06 20:46:46 <trsohmers> And my favorite "hacks" are MIT hacks... Sadly, there has only been one or two good hacks since I've been here
Aug 06 20:47:17 <trsohmers> THere's been some funny ones... but only a couple huge/complex ones
Aug 06 20:48:36 <PatrickC> Abyssul-TP: yes
Aug 06 20:54:38 <hangfire> So my network wasn't working on 3g, so I couldn't get through the first-run wizard. I can't find CarrierNetworkSettings.db3 in the webos image -- was it replaced by carrierdb.json ?
Aug 06 20:54:43 <hangfire> * 2.1.0
Aug 06 21:08:55 <hangfire> hrm, I'm running one of the meta scripts to see if that will accomplish something
Aug 06 21:08:58 <hangfire> :-/
Aug 06 21:09:23 <rrix> welp, I think I have Qt 4.7 built
Aug 06 21:43:25 <steviewoolnut1> Hey people, whats the best way to update a palm pre to 2.0 via a mac?
Aug 06 21:44:32 <PatrickC> follow the wiki
Aug 06 21:45:22 <steviewoolnut1> okay, its bait confusing don't you think
Aug 06 21:46:52 <steviewoolnut1> abit*
Aug 06 21:46:53 <PatrickC> not really
Aug 06 21:47:09 <steviewoolnut1> ok ill try it, won't brick my handset will i?
Aug 06 21:47:23 <PatrickC> nope
Aug 06 21:47:41 <steviewoolnut1> ok
Aug 06 21:58:37 <hangfire> ! Is there any way to copy contacts from SIM to the phone? I need to do this a few times to get all contacts off my old phone
Aug 06 21:59:36 <dwc-> my pre automatically imported them
Aug 06 22:00:32 <dwc-> and they seem to stick around when I don't have the sim card in there, but you shoudl double check before deleting them from the sim
Aug 06 22:00:40 <dwc-> that they still work afterwards
Aug 06 22:00:47 <hangfire> hmm
Aug 06 22:01:25 <hangfire> How should I test that?
Aug 06 22:09:12 <rrix> hmmm, darron black's qt isnt in my preware any more? :(
Aug 06 22:09:13 <Muhb> I THINK IT'S WORKING :D
Aug 06 22:09:18 <Muhb> my franken-firstuse is working
Aug 06 22:09:19 <Muhb> muhuhahaha
Aug 06 22:09:30 <rrix> its aliiiiive
Aug 06 22:09:50 <PatrickC> Muhb: congrats :)
Aug 06 22:10:03 <Muhb> not out of the woods yet
Aug 06 22:10:26 <rrix> yarr, its not in my feeds wtf.
Aug 06 22:10:36 * rrix finds it on git
Aug 06 22:12:55 <Muhb> I'm really tempted to let fly a stream of explicitives.
Aug 06 22:13:08 <Muhb> "We were unable to sign you in. Contact Palm for help resolving this problem."
Aug 06 22:13:21 <rrix> sad trombone
Aug 06 22:13:24 <Muhb> JUST PRIOR to this failure, it said that my account was active on another phone.
Aug 06 22:13:29 <Muhb> so... it kinda worked
Aug 06 22:13:30 <Muhb> but
Aug 06 22:13:32 <Muhb> not
Aug 06 22:13:34 <Muhb> :(
Aug 06 22:15:41 <Muhb> sad day.
Aug 06 22:25:33 <Muhb> FFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Aug 06 22:25:49 <Muhb> don't you hate it when you're typing an rm command
Aug 06 22:26:02 <Muhb> and accidentally hit enter just a tad too early while typing the path
Aug 06 22:26:02 <Muhb> :|
Aug 06 22:30:19 <rrix> Muhb: woopsie. :(
Aug 06 22:30:28 <Muhb> time to redoctor
Aug 06 22:30:29 <Muhb> AGAIN
Aug 06 22:30:31 <Muhb> XP
Aug 06 22:30:39 <Muhb> oh well
Aug 06 22:30:43 <rrix> i always prepend an echo to it, then edit it out after typing
Aug 06 22:31:02 <Muhb> not as bad as when I was trying to remove a hidden file from my home directory once
Aug 06 22:31:13 <rrix> especially when root :)
Aug 06 22:31:14 <Muhb> rm -rf ~
Aug 06 22:31:20 <Muhb> while reaching for /, I hit enter instead
Aug 06 22:31:22 <rrix> oof
Aug 06 22:31:25 <Muhb> lol
Aug 06 22:31:29 <rrix> backup your backups :)
Aug 06 22:31:40 <Muhb> no room!
Aug 06 22:32:12 <rrix> storage is cheap. i got a tb for like 50$ the other day
Aug 06 22:39:51 <dwc-> hangfire: put the sim in the pre, turn it on/off, take the sim out, verify the numbers are on the phone. from the other phone, delete 1-2 contacts, copy new contacts into that space, put it back in the pre, verify that the new contacts show up, and that the contacts that were deleted from the sim still show up, etc
Aug 06 22:41:00 <PatrickC> Muhb: did you really rm -rf / ? haha
Aug 06 22:53:28 <Muhb> no
Aug 06 22:53:50 <Muhb> I `rm -r /media/cryptofs/apps/user/palm/applications/`
Aug 06 22:54:10 <Muhb> I was going for usr/palm/applications/com.palm.apps.firstuse but hit enter too soon
Aug 06 23:03:37 <PatrickC> ouch
Aug 06 23:42:40 <Muhb> well, crap
Aug 06 23:45:01 <rwhitby> good thing you've got a daily backup ...
Aug 06 23:45:56 <flare576> Nifty, using Govnah I was able to tell that the touchstone charges at about 60% of the wall charger :)
Aug 06 23:51:00 <rwhitby> flare576: check your email
Aug 07 00:15:56 <siestacat> does linphone support bluetooth headsets at the moment?
Aug 07 00:16:14 <siestacat> I've got it working with a totally free service
Aug 07 00:17:55 <flare576> chroot question: if I was
Aug 07 00:18:30 <flare576> grrr, that Bluetooth keyboard can't get here soon enough
Aug 07 00:18:37 <siestacat> and could someone re-link me to wIRC .4.6 again?
Aug 07 00:18:57 <siestacat> that was floating around yesterday
Aug 07 00:21:30 <flare576> chroot question: if I want windows manager & desktop environment to start automagically, I'd update chroot_wrapper.sh, yes?
Aug 07 00:22:08 <flare576> probably with some sort of forking process...
Aug 07 00:25:35 <dawm|laptop> anyone around, need some frankenpre2 help
Aug 07 00:26:49 <siestacat> wIRC update to fix disconnecting?
Aug 07 00:27:33 <drobbins> just got a touchpad
Aug 07 00:28:16 <drobbins> jefferai: yo
Aug 07 00:34:16 <rwhitby> dawm|laptop: what meta-doctor script did you use?
Aug 07 00:34:39 <PatrickC> wow
Aug 07 00:35:03 <PatrickC> webOS just kicked me off my wifi network, and "forgot" the password to it
Aug 07 00:36:12 <Muhb> <rwhitby> good thing you've got a daily backup ... <-- no, I don't, because I can't sign in to my palm profile :(
Aug 07 00:36:17 <Muhb> or use the app store
Aug 07 00:36:23 <Muhb> or anything that requires a profile
Aug 07 00:36:39 <siestacat> I disabled backups
Aug 07 00:36:53 <dwc-> siestacat: 0.4.6 is in the feeds afaict
Aug 07 00:36:59 <Muhb> <dawm|laptop> anyone around, need some frankenpre2 help <-- I'm doing something similar, atm... what's the trouble?
Aug 07 00:37:21 <siestacat> dwx-: : thanks
Aug 07 00:37:47 <flare576> I've been on all day w/ zero dc
Aug 07 00:38:03 <flare576> wIRC on TP
Aug 07 00:38:03 <dwc-> I got a phone call while I was out and my plugin crashed again :(
Aug 07 00:38:19 * dwc- notes edge, not 3g for data
Aug 07 00:38:42 <drobbins> webos is pretty cool
Aug 07 00:39:05 <drobbins> this is my first webos device, just enabled developer mode
Aug 07 00:39:16 <Muhb> At this point, I might just call Palm and tell them I would like the email tied to my palm profile freed up
Aug 07 00:39:21 <Muhb> so I can recreate it
Aug 07 00:39:22 <flare576> drobbins: understatement of the year :)
Aug 07 00:39:34 <Muhb> what device are you working on, drobbins?
Aug 07 00:39:39 <drobbins> looking forward to playing with it and maybe even getting active in the homebrew community
Aug 07 00:39:47 <drobbins> Muhb: just grabbed a touchpad 32GB
Aug 07 00:39:51 <Muhb> nice
Aug 07 00:40:14 <drobbins> I'm getting really sick of Apple stuff, esp. after MacOS Lion
Aug 07 00:40:22 <flare576> It's an amazing community :)
Aug 07 00:40:23 <drobbins> not really happy with that
Aug 07 00:40:28 <drobbins> cool
Aug 07 00:40:31 <drobbins> community is key.
Aug 07 00:40:47 <drobbins> a coworker always raved about WebOS and how awesome it was
Aug 07 00:40:56 <flare576> I'm actually on irc via my 32GB TP :)
Aug 07 00:41:01 <drobbins> nice
Aug 07 00:41:10 <drobbins> so I am in the first steps of unlocking this thing
Aug 07 00:41:20 <Muhb> ......................................................
Aug 07 00:41:25 <drobbins> just bumped into developer mode
Aug 07 00:41:27 <Muhb> HOW DID I NOT NOTICE THIS
Aug 07 00:41:28 <Muhb> oversight of the MONTH
Aug 07 00:41:32 <dwc-> that's actually the last step too :P
Aug 07 00:41:33 <Muhb> I'm so stupid
Aug 07 00:41:38 <flare576> best place to start is the homebrew guide in the app store and the wiki
Aug 07 00:41:49 <Muhb> palm.com/profile has a REMOVE THIS DEVICE FROM MY ACCOUNT option
Aug 07 00:41:51 <Muhb> :|
Aug 07 00:41:54 <flare576> oh no Muhb....
Aug 07 00:42:01 <Muhb> maybe now it'll work
Aug 07 00:42:01 <flare576> lol
Aug 07 00:42:14 * Muhb SIGHS
Aug 07 00:42:16 <Muhb> here goes nothin
Aug 07 00:42:17 * flare576 crosses his fingers
Aug 07 00:42:18 <dawm|laptop> just doctored my frankenpre2 for sprint and cant login to my profile, some romtoken error any ideas?
Aug 07 00:42:54 <Muhb> dawm|laptop: did you update castle.xml per the instructions at http://forums.precentral.net/webos-tips-information-resources/259077-pre-plus-sprint-step-step-conversion-guide.html ?
Aug 07 00:43:13 <dawm|laptop> no that wasnt in the wiki guide
Aug 07 00:43:49 <dawm|laptop> i ran the frankenpre for sprint script
Aug 07 00:43:52 <Muhb> wait, are you swapping a comms board or upgrading to an unsupported webos version?
Aug 07 00:44:00 <Muhb> maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're doing exactly
Aug 07 00:44:01 <dawm|laptop> board swap
Aug 07 00:44:04 <Muhb> ah
Aug 07 00:44:10 <dawm|laptop> sprint pre- board to pre2
Aug 07 00:44:14 <Muhb> k
Aug 07 00:44:31 <dawm|laptop> i rebuilt the doctor gonna try that again just incase i may have goofed
Aug 07 00:44:52 <Muhb> sounds good
Aug 07 00:44:52 <flare576> hmm, I've been "away" this whole time... oops.
Aug 07 00:45:08 <Muhb> if that fails, try updating castle.xml with the values from the pre- comms board
Aug 07 00:45:38 <dawm|laptop> so you mean take it back apart and put the pre- back together.. fun
Aug 07 00:45:43 <rrix> hmmm, sdlterminal doesn't work at all on the touchpad
Aug 07 00:45:49 <rrix> I'm already in love with this thing though
Aug 07 00:46:31 <Muhb> I don't think that's required
Aug 07 00:47:14 <flare576> rrix: do you have a bt keyboard"
Aug 07 00:47:25 <drobbins> flare576: tell me about your irc setup
Aug 07 00:48:13 <rrix> flare576: nope
Aug 07 00:48:14 <flare576> drobbins: once you've got preware installed, search for wIRE and install it like any app :)
Aug 07 00:48:20 <drobbins> ok
Aug 07 00:48:32 <javispedro> *wIRC
Aug 07 00:48:35 <drobbins> flare576: I assume you are using a keyboard
Aug 07 00:49:14 <flare576> rrix: ok, was gonna suggest xecutah+xterm, but w/o a keyboard it's tricky right now...
Aug 07 00:49:20 <rrix> flare576: indeed
Aug 07 00:49:24 <flare576> drobbins: nope, not yet
Aug 07 00:49:31 <drobbins> ah
Aug 07 00:49:40 <drobbins> saw the hp keyboard at the store, but held off on it
Aug 07 00:49:44 <drobbins> I guess any bt keyboard will do?
Aug 07 00:49:45 <flare576> should be here Wednesday lol
Aug 07 00:49:45 <trsohmers> Quick question... can you use almost any bluetooth keyboard with a webOS device?
Aug 07 00:49:51 <drobbins> heh
Aug 07 00:49:59 <trsohmers> Because I've used my Motorola Xoom's bluetooth keyboard with a mac before...
Aug 07 00:50:05 <drobbins> conversation converging on "bt keyboard"
Aug 07 00:50:08 <rrix> I guess I could try to make ajaxterm work
Aug 07 00:50:10 <flare576> yeah, but the HP one has some special keys for webOS
Aug 07 00:50:24 <trsohmers> But would just the regular keys work and all?
Aug 07 00:51:08 <flare576> trsohmers: everything I've read said any bt keyboard should do with few exceptions, mostly older devices
Aug 07 00:51:52 <flare576> brb, bathing baby time!
Aug 07 00:51:53 <rwhitby> Muhb: use rsync for a daily backup - don't trust Palm backups
Aug 07 00:52:11 <trsohmers> Really liking the Touchpad so far... just limited on apps, but I havent rooted and installed preware yet.
Aug 07 00:52:29 <dawm|laptop> theres no rooting ;p
Aug 07 00:52:39 <rwhitby> drobbins: welcome
Aug 07 00:52:53 <rwhitby> trsohmers: what are you waiting for ? ;)
Aug 07 00:53:13 <trsohmers> rwhitby: Not at a computer where I can install the sdk
Aug 07 00:53:14 <PatrickC> dawm|laptop: get the Pre fixed?
Aug 07 00:53:24 <dawm|laptop> working on it, trying the doctor once more
Aug 07 00:53:26 <Muhb> rwhitby: Oh, I don't trust palm... before redoctoring I made sure to download ipks for all my patches and apps, haha...
Aug 07 00:53:38 <dawm|laptop> phone works, and data, but no txt or profile access
Aug 07 00:53:39 <Muhb> but I would like to at least be able to sign into my profile in order to get app catalog access
Aug 07 00:53:50 <trsohmers> You shouldn't trust palm... they are no longer in business :P
Aug 07 00:53:52 <drobbins> rwhitby: thanks
Aug 07 00:53:53 <Muhb> it wouldn't be an issue if HP hadn't removed the feeds preware depended on :(
Aug 07 00:53:54 <rwhitby> drobbins: PuffTheMagic is our Gentoo evangelist here, if you want any info on building stuff on Gentoo.
Aug 07 00:54:04 <Muhb> but... as it is... I can't think of any other route.
Aug 07 00:54:10 <drobbins> rwhitby: ok cool
Aug 07 00:54:30 <trsohmers> So have most of you guys been here since the Pre was released?
Aug 07 00:54:50 <Muhb> I waited until the price dropped for the pre
Aug 07 00:55:05 <dawm|laptop> i got it on a price mistake
Aug 07 00:55:06 <Muhb> then pre plus came out and I waited a bit longer
Aug 07 00:55:10 <Muhb> finally got it last year
Aug 07 00:55:17 <dawm|laptop> few months after it came out
Aug 07 00:55:19 <rwhitby> drobbins: we mainly use Ubuntu for our official build support, just for ease of user support (focus on one distro and all that)
Aug 07 00:55:43 <drobbins> rwhitby: I forgive you
Aug 07 00:55:56 <rwhitby> drobbins: and I won't hold it against you ;)
Aug 07 00:56:10 <drobbins> thanks
Aug 07 00:56:12 <drobbins> :P
Aug 07 00:56:27 <Muhb> slackware > ubuntu :D
Aug 07 00:56:29 * Muhb runs and hides
Aug 07 00:56:35 <dawm|laptop> PatrickC:  looks like it worked, Sprint is back in the corner, was able to login to profile, its gathering my data now
Aug 07 00:56:45 <Muhb> congrats!
Aug 07 00:57:13 * rwhitby only uses the command-line GUI-less subset of Linux distros through an SSH terminal session to a VM anyway, so says "meh" to OS debates ;)
Aug 07 00:57:48 <dawm|laptop> except its stuck with a spinner after saying 'Setup Complete'
Aug 07 00:58:10 <rwhitby> dawm|laptop: that's normal for an activation bypass, if that's what you did,
Aug 07 00:58:13 <trsohmers> So I am probably going to be returning this 32gb touchpad next week... only reason I got this one was because Staples was completely sold out (Entire warehouse was out) because of the new $200 off
Aug 07 00:58:26 <dawm|laptop> didnt bypass
Aug 07 00:58:39 <trsohmers> and I'll try to trade it in and get $100 back, and then get the 16gb
Aug 07 00:58:39 <dawm|laptop> i think it crashed
Aug 07 00:58:42 <dawm|laptop> yep crashed
Aug 07 00:58:53 <drobbins> rwhitby: I only use ssh too
Aug 07 00:59:24 <rwhitby> drobbins: let me know if you want to contribute a Gentoo chroot minimal image to Xecutah - I'd have no problem with adding that.
Aug 07 00:59:40 <drobbins> rwhitby: ok
Aug 07 00:59:48 <drobbins> rwhitby: what is Xecutah? :)
Aug 07 01:00:14 <drobbins> rwhitby: so I can run gentoo on my touchpad?
Aug 07 01:00:16 <rwhitby> drobbins: front-end to running a chroot as root and rendering on X server in a card
Aug 07 01:00:26 <rwhitby> drobbins: easily.
Aug 07 01:00:30 <drobbins> cool
Aug 07 01:00:35 <drobbins> will need to play with that.
Aug 07 01:00:43 <rwhitby> ~testing-feeds
Aug 07 01:00:43 <infobot> it has been said that testing-feeds is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds
Aug 07 01:00:47 <trsohmers> Wait, so you guys got X running ontop of the webOS launcher?
Aug 07 01:00:47 <Muhb> http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/2b/Spr_4h_103.png <-- "Xecutah!"
Aug 07 01:00:59 <Muhb> yeah
Aug 07 01:01:06 <Muhb> long time ago, haha
Aug 07 01:01:11 <rwhitby> drobbins: get the testing feeds set up in your Preware
Aug 07 01:01:26 <trsohmers> ...I've been trying to do the same thing on Android for 4 months
Aug 07 01:01:31 <rwhitby> drobbins: you'll likely want to resize your USB partition to make room for an ext3fs partition to do this stuff in.
Aug 07 01:01:34 <trsohmers> barley any progress
Aug 07 01:01:39 <Muhb> http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/webos-port-of-xorg-in-the-works-openoffice-support-the-inevitab/ <-- trsohmers
Aug 07 01:01:46 <drobbins> rwhitby: glad I got the 32GB one then.
Aug 07 01:01:50 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot
Aug 07 01:01:53 <drobbins> or you use USB for it?
Aug 07 01:01:56 <rwhitby> I set aside 8GB myself
Aug 07 01:02:31 <rwhitby> you can do a file loopfs if you like, but it make USB mode stop working.  The separate LVM partition is the best way (IMHO)
Aug 07 01:02:41 <drobbins> ok
Aug 07 01:03:01 <rwhitby> the webOS doctor even treats the additional LVM volume with respect and doesn't blow it away
Aug 07 01:03:26 <drobbins> neat
Aug 07 01:04:10 <rwhitby> drobbins: the resize can be done without doctoring if you know what you're doing
Aug 07 01:04:21 <trsohmers> rwhitby: Xecutah automates the entire chroot process?
Aug 07 01:04:46 <rwhitby> trsohmers: we have a package which you install in the ext3fs partition from Preware, and then Xecutah does the chroot and drops you in an xterm
Aug 07 01:05:09 <rwhitby> you add packages in the chroot and set up your X environment as you choose from there
Aug 07 01:05:42 <drobbins> maybe I can get some funtoo stuff happening on webos
Aug 07 01:05:43 <trsohmers> OK... I currently have chroot images for Android, Meego, Maemo, and a non working iOS image.
Aug 07 01:06:45 <Muhb> I sincerely hope this is the last time I ever have to run webosdoctor on this device. :(
Aug 07 01:07:02 <Muhb> at this rate I'm liable to wear out the chip, I JUST KNOW IT ;-;
Aug 07 01:07:05 <trsohmers> Is there anyway you can just put the .img of the rootfs of the OS and have Xecutah run it from there? Get rid of needing to partition your device.
Aug 07 01:07:11 <rrix> hmm, how can I get the touchpad's keyboard to appear when it doesnt think it should?
Aug 07 01:07:41 <rwhitby> trsohmers: you can loopfs mount it
Aug 07 01:07:42 <Muhb> trsohmers: loop device
Aug 07 01:07:56 <drobbins> ok
Aug 07 01:08:01 <drobbins> so I have webos quick install running
Aug 07 01:08:04 <rwhitby> trsohmers: but if you loopfs mount something from /media/internal (the only place big enough) you break USB mode
Aug 07 01:08:27 <Muhb> really?
Aug 07 01:08:31 <trsohmers> Oh fun
Aug 07 01:08:45 <Muhb> I believe I've mounted stuff from /media/internal before...
Aug 07 01:08:45 <Muhb> this was a while ago though
Aug 07 01:08:58 <trsohmers> Do any webOS devices have micro sdcards?
Aug 07 01:09:14 <Muhb> I don't believe so. :(
Aug 07 01:09:22 <Muhb> major downside.
Aug 07 01:09:53 <rrix> 16gb isn't enough for you? :P
Aug 07 01:09:54 <Muhb> then again, I've only had experience with the pre-, pre+, and veer, dunno about the pre2 or the tablet
Aug 07 01:10:05 <Muhb> NO. >:(
Aug 07 01:10:06 <Muhb> :p
Aug 07 01:10:11 <rrix> lol
Aug 07 01:10:19 <rrix> hmmm ajaxterm would work if I could get the keyboard to appear :|
Aug 07 01:10:22 <rwhitby> Muhb: USB mode actually umounts /media/internal - if you have a loopfs mounted from it that breaks
Aug 07 01:10:51 <Muhb> ohhhhhhhhhh
Aug 07 01:10:55 <Muhb> you mean while it's plugged in
Aug 07 01:10:57 <Muhb> gotcha
Aug 07 01:11:05 <rwhitby> yep
Aug 07 01:11:09 <Muhb> sorry, I'm slow today
Aug 07 01:11:15 <Muhb> frustrated with this stupid meta doctor
Aug 07 01:11:17 <Muhb> lol
Aug 07 01:11:20 <rwhitby> some people don't care about that so just use a loopfs
Aug 07 01:11:45 <rwhitby> ka6sox and I are working on a partition resize/create app.
Aug 07 01:11:54 <Muhb> awesome.
Aug 07 01:11:54 <Muhb> that would be useful
Aug 07 01:12:15 <Muhb> ................I just had a horrible thought.
Aug 07 01:12:26 <trsohmers> ...?
Aug 07 01:12:49 <Muhb> it would SUCK if the only reason I'm having problems with this stupid palm profile sign in process, is because I'm using cygwin to doctor these webos images together...
Aug 07 01:12:51 <Muhb> :X
Aug 07 01:13:11 <Muhb> I completely forgot about that.
Aug 07 01:13:17 <dwc-> I can still access my /media/internal while in usb mode
Aug 07 01:13:23 <dwc-> I messed up my fs that way once
Aug 07 01:13:29 <Muhb> haha, fun
Aug 07 01:17:47 <PuffTheMagic> drobbins, i have gentoo on my TP ;)
Aug 07 01:20:15 <drobbins> PuffTheMagic: cool
Aug 07 01:20:20 <drobbins> PuffTheMagic: do you chroot into it?
Aug 07 01:20:52 <drobbins> PuffTheMagic: got a native compiler or a cross-compiler?
Aug 07 01:21:47 * rwhitby bbl
Aug 07 01:22:01 <PuffTheMagic> i crosscompile starting with an arm stage7 then rysnc it over
Aug 07 01:22:13 <PuffTheMagic> that was my workflow for my pre/pixi
Aug 07 01:22:19 <drobbins> ah neat.
Aug 07 01:22:21 <PuffTheMagic> i might consider getting a native compiler on the TP though
Aug 07 01:23:02 <PuffTheMagic> its probably fast enough to keep a system up to date, i dont think i would start from a fresh stage3 though
Aug 07 01:24:31 <drobbins> yeah
Aug 07 01:24:43 <PatrickC> Govnah 1.0.0!
Aug 07 01:24:47 <drobbins> so do you drop to a console mode to run gentoo?
Aug 07 01:24:55 <drobbins> does webos get disabled?
Aug 07 01:25:04 <drobbins> or can you keep it running?
Aug 07 01:25:08 <ka6sox> I use an xterm
Aug 07 01:25:26 <PuffTheMagic> you can use it many ways
Aug 07 01:25:55 <drobbins> neat.
Aug 07 01:25:56 <PuffTheMagic> Xecutah! will allow you to run x11 apps in a card
Aug 07 01:26:04 <PuffTheMagic> so you dont have to leave webos/luna
Aug 07 01:26:11 <drobbins> that's really cool
Aug 07 01:26:17 <PuffTheMagic> or you can just kill luna and run what ever you want
Aug 07 01:26:33 <drobbins> I mainly use console
Aug 07 01:26:39 <drobbins> or ssh
Aug 07 01:26:57 <PuffTheMagic> thats typically what I do also
Aug 07 01:27:11 <PuffTheMagic> drobbins, you gonna start maintaining a funtoo arm stage3?
Aug 07 01:27:28 <drobbins> PuffTheMagic: maybe, if you wanna help me out a bit
Aug 07 01:27:39 <drobbins> PuffTheMagic: I could integrate support for it into metro maybe
Aug 07 01:28:30 <drobbins> that would make it easier to create updated builds
Aug 07 01:29:03 <PuffTheMagic> ya I will have to checkout metro, i have to say, i havent been too hardcore in the gentoo/funtoo stuff as I used to be a few years ago... too many webos projects to work on
Aug 07 01:29:17 <Muhb> anyone know what the user agent of the webos 2.1.0 app store is?
Aug 07 01:29:29 * Muhb can't use wireshark to capture it at the moment, unfortunately
Aug 07 01:29:48 <PatrickC> user agent?
Aug 07 01:29:49 <Muhb> or any app store, for that matter
Aug 07 01:29:51 <Muhb> yeah
Aug 07 01:29:55 <Muhb> I assume it has one
Aug 07 01:30:09 * PatrickC has never heard that term before..
Aug 07 01:30:15 <PatrickC> it probably has one though
Aug 07 01:30:19 <PatrickC> I just don't know it
Aug 07 01:31:07 <Muhb> it's a string that identifies itself by browser, engine, OS, and version
Aug 07 01:31:25 <drobbins> wow, the webos update is taking a long time
Aug 07 01:31:41 <ka6sox> the one from HP?
Aug 07 01:31:50 <ka6sox> hopefully its not our servers....
Aug 07 01:32:00 <Muhb> http://whatsmyuseragent.com/
Aug 07 01:32:56 <Muhb> hmm... quick question... will tapping "emergency call" get me access to the phone app, or will it immediately dial 911? :X
Aug 07 01:33:08 * Muhb is afraid to touch it
Aug 07 01:33:08 <PuffTheMagic> try and find out :D
Aug 07 01:33:14 <Muhb> bad idea... lol...
Aug 07 01:34:37 <Muhb> Considering not too long ago I saw a patch in Preware for the 1.4.5 version of the Phone app that "disabled automatic dialing of emergency numbers, requires user to push the talk button to dial" (or something along those lines) it's probably safe to assume it'll just dial right away...
Aug 07 01:34:41 <Muhb> sigh
Aug 07 01:34:43 <Muhb> oh well
Aug 07 01:35:42 <PatrickC> Muhb: need the dialer at the activation screen?
Aug 07 01:35:50 <Muhb> yeah
Aug 07 01:35:54 <PatrickC> hit "Opt + ##"
Aug 07 01:36:00 <PatrickC> on the physical kb
Aug 07 01:36:27 <Muhb> not doing anything
Aug 07 01:36:31 <PatrickC> or Opt + #* on GSM devices
Aug 07 01:36:35 <PatrickC> hold Opt*
Aug 07 01:37:10 <Muhb> yeah the gsm device did it
Aug 07 01:37:12 <Muhb> :D
Aug 07 01:37:18 <Muhb> Nice, I NEVER KNEW about that
Aug 07 01:37:19 <PatrickC> Option and ## (BB) on CDMA or Option and #* (BZ)
Aug 07 01:37:21 <PatrickC> :)
Aug 07 01:37:23 <Muhb> dang this would have come in handy
Aug 07 01:37:30 <PatrickC> 2.1?
Aug 07 01:37:52 <Muhb> yup!
Aug 07 01:38:03 <PatrickC> type #*3386633#
Aug 07 01:38:11 <PatrickC> to bypass activation
Aug 07 01:38:20 <PatrickC> and enable dev mode
Aug 07 01:38:36 <Muhb> is that #*DEVMODE#?
Aug 07 01:38:40 <PatrickC> yep
Aug 07 01:38:42 <Muhb> I just typed that in to see if it was enabled
Aug 07 01:38:46 <Muhb> it is
Aug 07 01:38:56 <Muhb> hmm
Aug 07 01:38:59 <PatrickC> ok, what did you need the dialer for?
Aug 07 01:39:04 <PatrickC> to bypass activation?
Aug 07 01:39:11 <Muhb> to bypass palm profile creation
Aug 07 01:39:14 <Muhb> so I can enable wifi
Aug 07 01:39:19 <Muhb> so I can try creating a profile again
Aug 07 01:39:21 <Muhb> lol
Aug 07 01:39:22 <Muhb> it's a mess
Aug 07 01:39:31 <Muhb> too much dependence on people having data plans :(
Aug 07 01:39:32 <PatrickC> best way is to make a meta doctor that allows that
Aug 07 01:39:51 <Muhb> I was tired of meta-doctoring so I went with a stock meta-att-preplus-2.1.0 install
Aug 07 01:40:39 <Muhb> I've tried meta-doctoring doctors that will bypass activation and let me enable wifi, but then when I run the Gesture Tutorial (aka Firstuse) it won't give me the screen for entering my email.
Aug 07 01:40:52 <Muhb> :(
Aug 07 01:40:56 <Muhb> or it locks up the device.
Aug 07 01:41:03 <PatrickC> was airplane mode enabled?
Aug 07 01:41:04 <Muhb> one or the other, depending on how annoying it feels like being.
Aug 07 01:41:18 <Muhb> during the gesture tut? no
Aug 07 01:41:26 <PatrickC> airplane mode has to be *disabled* For it to work
Aug 07 01:41:28 <PatrickC> odd
Aug 07 01:41:39 <PatrickC> ok, well do this
Aug 07 01:41:49 <PatrickC> #*DEVMODE#
Aug 07 01:41:52 <PatrickC> and disable it, reboot
Aug 07 01:42:00 <Muhb> but then how will I enable wifi?
Aug 07 01:42:18 <PatrickC> we'll get to that part in a second :)
Aug 07 01:42:23 <Muhb> disabled... after it reboots, what next?
Aug 07 01:42:32 <PatrickC> re-enable it
Aug 07 01:42:39 <Muhb> to bypass activation?
Aug 07 01:42:42 <PatrickC> yep
Aug 07 01:42:47 <Muhb> k
Aug 07 01:43:04 <Muhb> I have a feeling this is going to end up being a manual way of what the meta-doctor came up with, but anything's worth a shot at this point
Aug 07 01:43:12 <PatrickC> then in the meta-doctor folder you git-clone'd, there is a "bypass activation" patch
Aug 07 01:43:16 <siestacat_comput> Hi, is there a toggle to use Linphone not-on speaker phone?
Aug 07 01:43:35 <Muhb> dude you have linphone?
Aug 07 01:43:43 <Muhb> I was looking for that a while back, heh
Aug 07 01:43:54 <PatrickC> rwhitby handles that iirc
Aug 07 01:44:37 <Muhb> re-enabling dev-mode... restart?
Aug 07 01:44:51 <PatrickC> yep
Aug 07 01:45:06 <PatrickC> and lemme get the path to the patch
Aug 07 01:45:14 <Muhb> but
Aug 07 01:45:22 <PatrickC> but what?
Aug 07 01:45:38 <Muhb> isn't the patch automatically applied with BYPASS_ACTIVATION = 1?
Aug 07 01:45:40 <Muhb> in the makefile?
Aug 07 01:45:45 <PatrickC> could be
Aug 07 01:45:50 <PatrickC> you can check
Aug 07 01:45:57 <Muhb> I've tampered with that a few times, no luck
Aug 07 01:46:00 <PatrickC> if not, I'll show you where the patch is
Aug 07 01:46:00 <siestacat_comput> Just read the wiki page
Aug 07 01:46:02 <Muhb> and BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP
Aug 07 01:46:10 <siestacat_comput> It needs to be brought to the front speaker
Aug 07 01:46:37 <PatrickC> those should have bypassed the activation scene and popped you to the main scene
Aug 07 01:46:45 <Muhb> yup
Aug 07 01:46:54 <Muhb> but then I couldn't bring up the screen that asks for email afterwards.
Aug 07 01:47:11 <Muhb> it was a working, unlocked GSM device, but no app catalog access, because there's no palm profile on record.
Aug 07 01:47:19 <PatrickC> well, if it doesn't work. use the file from meta-doctor/patches/webos-2.1.0
Aug 07 01:47:29 <Muhb> it just brought me to the main scene
Aug 07 01:47:40 <trsohmers> Anyone else here with a touchpad?
Aug 07 01:47:46 * Muhb enables wifi
Aug 07 01:48:05 <PatrickC> Muhb: now, leave the cell radio enabled
Aug 07 01:48:07 <flare576> trsohmers: yup
Aug 07 01:48:09 <trsohmers> I'm curious... there is this little popout tray thing on the bottom side of the touchpad.. on the back of it it has the serial number and some other things
Aug 07 01:48:18 <trsohmers> Any idea what the purpose of it is?
Aug 07 01:48:28 <trsohmers> or is it just for the serial number..
Aug 07 01:48:41 <flare576> trsohmers: hold serial # for doctor version discovery.
Aug 07 01:49:09 <trsohmers> so is the webOS doctor everyone is talking about just a recovery program?
Aug 07 01:49:15 <trsohmers> re installs the OS?
Aug 07 01:49:31 <flare576> version-specific recovery tool
Aug 07 01:49:46 <trsohmers> OK... and are there any bootloader tools available?
Aug 07 01:50:02 <Muhb> PatrickC: wifi and phone radio are both up and running
Aug 07 01:50:10 <Muhb> though it says I'm roaming, which is weird, it didn't say that a few hours ago
Aug 07 01:50:16 <Muhb> it would be my luck if a tower lost power somewhere
Aug 07 01:50:18 <Muhb> :P
Aug 07 01:50:37 <flare576> trsohmers: out of my area of expertise...
Aug 07 01:50:45 <Muhb> ........whoaaaaaaa
Aug 07 01:50:46 <Muhb> what
Aug 07 01:50:47 <trsohmers> ok, lol
Aug 07 01:50:47 <PatrickC> Muhb: brb. just try and see :)
Aug 07 01:50:50 <Muhb> I have more apps than I should
Aug 07 01:50:55 <trsohmers> thanks
Aug 07 01:51:06 <Muhb> I have WAY more apps than I should
Aug 07 01:51:22 <trsohmers> flare576:  how long does it take you to charge your touchpad?
Aug 07 01:51:24 <trsohmers> on average
Aug 07 01:51:49 <Muhb> PatrickC: no luck, gesture tutorial just goes through the tutorial... no email request or chance to log into a palm profile. :(
Aug 07 01:52:12 <flare576> trsohmers: only charged it once so far, 2hrs? maybe 3
Aug 07 01:52:39 <trsohmers> Hmm... its at 88%, and I have had it on the charger for 5 1/2 hours
Aug 07 01:52:54 <trsohmers> though I have been using it during that time
Aug 07 01:52:56 <flare576> touchpad is ~40% slower than straight wall charger.
Aug 07 01:53:04 <PatrickC> Muhb: use the file from meta-doctor/patches/webos-2.1.0 that /should/ work
Aug 07 01:53:13 <trsohmers> what do you mean by that, flare?
Aug 07 01:53:26 <flare576> trsohmers: do you have govnah yet?
Aug 07 01:53:57 <Muhb> PatrickC: what should it do? the phone is already activated and working, I just need to tie it with my profile
Aug 07 01:54:08 <NuttyBunny> flare576: do you charge your phone with a touchpad? how do you do that? touch to charge? :)
Aug 07 01:54:23 <PatrickC> that should allow you to bypass needing data for a profile
Aug 07 01:54:48 <Muhb> ...you NEED data for a profile?
Aug 07 01:54:50 <trsohmers> flare576: Haven't hacked this yet
Aug 07 01:54:50 * Muhb facepalms
Aug 07 01:54:53 <trsohmers> or anything
Aug 07 01:54:58 <Muhb> is THAT why having WiFi alone hasn't been working?
Aug 07 01:55:01 <flare576> sorry, mistyped: touchSTONE is 40% slower.
Aug 07 01:55:02 <trsohmers> Havent been at a computer to install the SDK yet
Aug 07 01:55:19 <PatrickC> Muhb: generally you need data for a profile
Aug 07 01:55:24 <trsohmers> Ah... I didn't buy any accessories... just using the wall charger
Aug 07 01:55:24 <PatrickC> but that patch changes that
Aug 07 01:55:47 <Muhb> well that explains everything...
Aug 07 01:55:54 <flare576> trsohmers: once you do you can see the amp draw, then see how fast the charge is happening.
Aug 07 01:56:04 <PatrickC> that patch should fix your problem
Aug 07 01:56:04 <Muhb> so, assuming this works, the gesture tut should detect my wifi signal and use THAT to ask for my email?
Aug 07 01:56:05 <trsohmers> OK, cool
Aug 07 01:56:15 <Muhb> or am I running the wrong app?
Aug 07 01:56:29 <Muhb> I noticed that com.palm.app.firstuse is now the gesture tutorial, so I assume that's what I need to be running
Aug 07 01:56:32 <amistak> Quick question friends: I have a FrankenPrePlus on Sprint. Any easy way to reactivate this device?
Aug 07 01:56:44 <PatrickC> Muhb: yes, that's what you need to run
Aug 07 01:56:55 <PatrickC> the only thing I'm not sure of is if you can still make calls
Aug 07 01:57:06 <PatrickC> I've only ever used that on *unactivated* devices
Aug 07 01:57:16 <Muhb> mine's activated
Aug 07 01:57:17 <trsohmers> Ok, going to go boot up my mac and hack this sucker
Aug 07 01:57:29 <Muhb> I've used it on at&t, t-mobile, sprint... now back on t-mobile
Aug 07 01:57:35 <flare576> trsohmers: yay!!!!
Aug 07 01:59:14 <PatrickC> Muhb: if you want to use the patch, you can. but I don't garuntee 100% working phone after. it /should/ work like it does now (but have a profile)
Aug 07 01:59:25 <PatrickC> but I can't guarantee that
Aug 07 01:59:35 <Muhb> amistak: assuming you updated the tokens in castle.xml per the instructions at http://forums.precentral.net/webos-tips-information-resources/259077-pre-plus-sprint-step-step-conversion-guide.html , you should be able to activate the phone yourself through sprint's website, I believe.
Aug 07 02:00:03 <Muhb> if anything breaks I suspect it'll be my profile, rather than my ability to use the phone
Aug 07 02:00:15 <Muhb> but we'll see
Aug 07 02:00:22 <PatrickC> as long as you understand the risks :)
Aug 07 02:00:53 <Muhb> what risks? risks of more time wasted by redoctoring yet again? :D
Aug 07 02:01:00 <amistak> I did indeed. The phone worked well before. Just my main died and this is the only device I have. I'm just wondering, if upon reactivating this device with Sprint, that it will work.
Aug 07 02:01:01 <Muhb> no biggie! I'm willing to try anything at this point, haha...
Aug 07 02:01:41 <PatrickC> Muhb: lol ok
Aug 07 02:01:46 <Muhb> amistak: it should, the process worked well enough for me when I tried it. I just couldn't get my ESN/number updated because they wanted to charge me for a data plan that I didn't want, so I left sprint.
Aug 07 02:02:03 <flare576> I cannot wait for my by keyboard lol
Aug 07 02:02:13 <amistak> ah excellent. well I will try it now then ty
Aug 07 02:02:35 <ritalinhum> what's a by keyboard?
Aug 07 02:02:47 <PatrickC> bluetooth keyboard
Aug 07 02:03:08 <trsohmers> oy.. this is very different from any android stuff
Aug 07 02:03:12 <flare576> friggen auto correct
Aug 07 02:03:13 <ritalinhum> oh
Aug 07 02:03:37 <Muhb> erm... PatrickC, easy way to apply patches without having GNU patch installed on the device? :X
Aug 07 02:03:52 <PatrickC> use webos quick install
Aug 07 02:03:56 <flare576> trsohmers: VERY different, yes
Aug 07 02:04:32 <flare576> trsohmers: are you stuck, or just commenting?
Aug 07 02:04:32 <Muhb> wosqi works with patch files?
Aug 07 02:04:38 <Muhb> I did NOT know that... nice
Aug 07 02:04:38 <trsohmers> Just commenting
Aug 07 02:04:40 <PatrickC> yep
Aug 07 02:04:53 <trsohmers> downloading the SDK now.. see you guys on the other side
Aug 07 02:04:55 <flare576> Muhb: afaik, yup
Aug 07 02:05:06 <flare576> :-)
Aug 07 02:12:42 <Muhb> kk... so far so good... preware installed, gnu patch installed, lsdiff installed, bypass-activation.patch installed...
Aug 07 02:13:28 <ka6sox> Muhb, how long have you been at this?
Aug 07 02:13:50 <Muhb> off and on all day
Aug 07 02:14:08 <Muhb> if I had devoted as much attention to it earlier today as I am now, when I was less tired, I probably could have been done a lot sooner
Aug 07 02:14:49 <Muhb> SUCCESS
Aug 07 02:14:55 <Muhb> I THINK
Aug 07 02:14:55 <Muhb> MAYBE
Aug 07 02:14:59 * Muhb shouldn't speak so soon
Aug 07 02:15:34 <flare576> lol, you think you'd learn ;-)
Aug 07 02:15:51 <Muhb> Signing in...
Aug 07 02:15:57 <Muhb> wait for it
Aug 07 02:16:06 * Muhb knows it'll fail
Aug 07 02:16:26 <Muhb> ...well
Aug 07 02:16:40 <Muhb> that was weird
Aug 07 02:16:57 <shingo> hiａｌｌ～
Aug 07 02:17:01 <Muhb> "Data not restored. We were unable to restore your data." <-- no kidding, considering I DELETED all of it
Aug 07 02:17:04 <Muhb> I'm not sure if that's a success or a failure.
Aug 07 02:17:08 <Muhb> now it's just messing with me
Aug 07 02:17:50 <PatrickC> Muhb: sorry, idk about that one
Aug 07 02:17:57 <Muhb> I don't either
Aug 07 02:17:58 <Muhb> lol
Aug 07 02:18:03 <Muhb> I hit the "try again" button at the bottom
Aug 07 02:18:10 <Muhb> and now it says "You've already used this palm profile on another device"
Aug 07 02:18:12 <Muhb> so I GUESS it worked
Aug 07 02:18:14 <Muhb> but I don't know
Aug 07 02:18:16 <Muhb> lol
Aug 07 02:18:23 <Muhb> I'm dumbfounded at this point, this is craziness
Aug 07 02:19:42 <flare576> well, try your end-game: check app store!
Aug 07 02:20:25 <Muhb> it's rebooting
Aug 07 02:20:34 <flare576> do it meow!
Aug 07 02:20:38 <Muhb> I couldn't get out of the activation card because it took over fullscreen
Aug 07 02:20:43 <Muhb> so I'm waiting for it to reboot, lol
Aug 07 02:20:54 <Muhb> My phone appeared back in my palm.com/profile at least
Aug 07 02:20:57 <Muhb> so it did SOMETHING
Aug 07 02:20:59 <Muhb> I just don't know waht
Aug 07 02:21:12 <Muhb> it's the wrong number and the wrong carrier
Aug 07 02:21:14 <Muhb> but... meh
Aug 07 02:21:16 <Muhb> I don't care anymore
Aug 07 02:21:17 <Muhb> lol
Aug 07 02:21:25 <dwc-> cat must have had a litter
Aug 07 02:22:00 <PatrickC> dwc-: huh?
Aug 07 02:22:06 <PatrickC> oh GrandmaAdora?
Aug 07 02:22:10 <PatrickC> look over in #webos :P
Aug 07 02:24:28 <Muhb> Device Info reports that my palm profile is my email! :D
Aug 07 02:24:32 <Muhb> We're GETTING SOMEWHERE
Aug 07 02:24:35 <Muhb> I like getting somewhere
Aug 07 02:24:42 <Muhb> this is nice
Aug 07 02:25:11 <PatrickC> yep :)
Aug 07 02:25:19 <PatrickC> thanks wOSI for the patch
Aug 07 02:25:25 <Muhb> IT WORKS
Aug 07 02:25:25 <Muhb> APP CATALOG, WOOT
Aug 07 02:25:51 <PatrickC> AWESOME
Aug 07 02:25:54 <Muhb> PatrickC, thank you SO much for your help... I don't think I would have thought to try that patch, I figured it did the same thing that metadoctor did, which wasn't working at all.
Aug 07 02:26:10 <PatrickC> no problem
Aug 07 02:26:12 <Muhb> turns out post-install tweaking worked better than pre-install doctoring.
Aug 07 02:27:58 <Muhb> ugh
Aug 07 02:28:13 <PatrickC> what?
Aug 07 02:28:17 <Muhb> NOW I just need to figure out how to restore PalmDatabase.db3 information
Aug 07 02:28:41 <PatrickC> Impostah iirc
Aug 07 02:29:35 <Muhb> and all the contacts stored by #*66623#
Aug 07 02:29:46 <Muhb> impostah can restore that information?
Aug 07 02:29:48 <PatrickC> that I can't help with
Aug 07 02:29:58 <PatrickC> impostah can restore profile backups
Aug 07 02:30:05 <Muhb> interesting
Aug 07 02:30:15 <Muhb> did not know that, I thought it just displayed information
Aug 07 02:30:16 <PatrickC> but I use CDMA.. so.. sorry :/
Aug 07 02:30:30 <Muhb> CDMA should have 66623
Aug 07 02:30:40 <Muhb> only in the form of ##66623#
Aug 07 02:30:55 <Muhb> From what I understand I just have to email the file to myself or open it with Internalz
Aug 07 02:31:02 <Muhb> and the pre will take care of the rest
Aug 07 02:31:07 <PatrickC> what is that? contacts?
Aug 07 02:31:18 <PatrickC> yeah, cdma has the contacts exporter
Aug 07 02:31:19 <Muhb> yeah, it's a contacts exporter
Aug 07 02:31:29 <PatrickC> yep
Aug 07 02:31:30 <Muhb> it throws them all into one giant file in /media/internal/.temp/
Aug 07 02:31:31 <PatrickC> I've used it
Aug 07 02:31:42 <Muhb> so handy
Aug 07 02:53:07 <flare576> anyone have time for some n00b questions about chroot and linux in general?
Aug 07 02:53:26 <Abyssul> PatrickC, ping
Aug 07 02:53:33 <PatrickC> yes
Aug 07 02:53:35 <PatrickC> ?
Aug 07 02:53:39 <Abyssul> Im working on the patch
Aug 07 02:53:45 <PatrickC> cool
Aug 07 02:53:46 <Abyssul> Im thinking more of a scrim deal than a theme
Aug 07 02:54:54 <dwc-> flare576: shoot
Aug 07 02:55:27 <PatrickC> Abyssul: cool
Aug 07 02:55:33 <Abyssul> I need a tester or two though
Aug 07 02:55:37 <PatrickC> just send me screenshots/patch when done :)
Aug 07 02:55:44 <PatrickC> I'm sure people would help :)
Aug 07 02:56:18 <flare576> I'd like to have metacity and lewd on launch of chroot... I think I found the file I need to edit, but I'm not 100% sure
Aug 07 02:56:49 <dwc-> patrick would get along well with Glados
Aug 07 02:57:08 <PatrickC> dwc-: huh?
Aug 07 02:57:18 <dwc-> love testing
Aug 07 02:57:27 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 07 02:57:30 <ka6sox> flare576, what is that?
Aug 07 02:58:02 <flare576> it's in the chroot app folder in /bin/chroot-wrapper.sh
Aug 07 02:58:10 <PatrickC> dwc-: I'm helping with the patch :)
Aug 07 02:58:14 <ka6sox> yep
Aug 07 02:58:18 <ka6sox> thats the one
Aug 07 02:58:34 <flare576> k, do I need to fork the commands?
Aug 07 02:58:53 <ka6sox> flare576, I made a script inside the chroot and run the commands there.
Aug 07 02:58:57 <ka6sox> call that script
Aug 07 02:59:46 <ka6sox> chroot /usr/local/myfile.sh
Aug 07 02:59:56 <ka6sox> and then put the bits there.
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