**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 07 02:59:57 2011 Aug 07 03:00:32 Anyone know where the wallpapers/ringtones that are expanded to /media/internal after a fresh doctor are stored? Aug 07 03:00:43 ok, and call it after launching chroot from xecutah, or edu the ubuntu script to call it? Aug 07 03:01:00 s/edu/edit/ Aug 07 03:01:01 flare576 meant: ok, and call it after launching chroot from xecutah, or edit the ubuntu script to call it? Aug 07 03:01:10 I edited the ubuntu chroot_wrapper.sh Aug 07 03:01:11 ooh rise of the apes is done downloading Aug 07 03:01:15 time to watch Aug 07 03:01:59 ok, my only concern with that is if I install a new version from preware... will that nuke my change? Aug 07 03:02:05 yes Aug 07 03:02:15 that script will be GONE. Aug 07 03:02:26 ok, I'm glad I understand the process! Aug 07 03:03:15 I have several of them...calling things like libreoffice and other xapps Aug 07 03:03:40 next I have to mod xecutah to handle more than 1 x-server Aug 07 03:03:48 and assign apps to the next server Aug 07 03:04:33 that'd be useful for having a true root clip and the Aug 07 03:04:52 s/the/then a chroot/ Aug 07 03:04:52 flare576 meant: that'd be useful for having a true root clip and then a chroot Aug 07 03:05:10 no use imho to have a gui inside a gui. Aug 07 03:05:13 I **need** that Bluetooth keyboard Aug 07 03:05:20 right Aug 07 03:06:14 okay back to tailor Aug 07 03:06:30 see if I can't make it so nothing can go worng Aug 07 03:06:32 go worng Aug 07 03:06:34 go worng Aug 07 03:06:52 you run libreoffice wo window manager? interesting... Aug 07 03:07:09 I call it from xecutah directly Aug 07 03:07:30 oh, so it has its own card? Aug 07 03:07:34 yes Aug 07 03:07:36 sweet Aug 07 03:07:54 but its currently a TOTAL hack. Aug 07 03:07:58 I understand your usecase now Aug 07 03:08:23 I don't like to waste resources...so having a WM in a WM just seems....wasteful. Aug 07 03:08:27 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/290393-patch-dark-theme-facebook-exhibition-mode.html#post3055284 Aug 07 03:08:30 Someone test that for me please Aug 07 03:08:59 is it just "fork metacity"? linux n00b :/ Aug 07 03:09:18 dunno..don't use it Aug 07 03:10:33 ok, better question then, if I call my script from chroot-wrapper and use it to start 2 things, do I need to fork? Aug 07 03:11:10 are they foreground or background things? Aug 07 03:11:52 whats the other? Aug 07 03:11:52 windows manager and desktop environment, both foreground I guess Aug 07 03:11:58 besides metacity? Aug 07 03:12:30 how would startx call them? Aug 07 03:12:32 lxde Aug 07 03:13:13 "metacity" and "startlxde" Aug 07 03:13:20 does lxde even work...we tested quite afew... Aug 07 03:13:31 dunno if that made the cut or not Aug 07 03:13:48 flare576, what I'd do is start the xterm in the chroot, test how to make it work Aug 07 03:13:52 it works well for me... I was using chromium in it. Aug 07 03:13:54 then scriptify Aug 07 03:14:15 then mod the chroot_wrapper if you want. Aug 07 03:14:25 I have to open the chroot from xecutah twice Aug 07 03:14:37 huh? Aug 07 03:14:47 manually get the wm and env up Aug 07 03:14:50 who's ready to test a release version of uberkernel on touchpad? Aug 07 03:14:51 then scriptify Aug 07 03:15:01 no, I like the idea of an external script so less gets overwritten Aug 07 03:15:17 only 1 command please...not 2-3 Aug 07 03:15:41 once you transfer control to the chroot you don't get anymore Aug 07 03:15:49 you are done Aug 07 03:16:55 my steps: run xecutah, run xserver, run chroot, type "metacity", back to xecutah, run chroot again, type "startlxde" Aug 07 03:18:07 do you close the chroot in between? Aug 07 03:18:19 nope Aug 07 03:18:24 not a good idea Aug 07 03:18:28 ya, Aug 07 03:18:56 I dont know how to fork, so I needed to leave it running Aug 07 03:19:02 flare576, try metacity && startlxde Aug 07 03:19:21 does metacity background itself? Aug 07 03:19:21 see if that gets you where you want to be. Aug 07 03:19:28 it should. Aug 07 03:20:04 why startlxde doesn't actually make that all happen is a mystery. Aug 07 03:20:22 all those start(env) should make that all happen. Aug 07 03:20:47 startkde, startgnome etc Aug 07 03:22:08 oh... it does work. I thought I tried just using start* and it didn't work. is there a way to make it so that I can close the terminal I used it? Aug 07 03:22:47 flare576, if you hack up chroot_wrapper it will show you the xterm, then start the env Aug 07 03:22:59 when you exit the env it will show you the xterm Aug 07 03:23:02 however. Aug 07 03:23:16 if you throw away the card you never see the xterm again. Aug 07 03:23:36 I expect that, yup Aug 07 03:24:31 * ka6sox goes to uberize his TP Aug 07 03:25:08 thank you, ka6sox. I'll play more with this tomorrow :) Aug 07 03:25:21 flare576, yw Aug 07 03:27:16 * ka6sox installs uberkernel for TP Aug 07 03:32:05 rwhitby, it installs, govnah is happy with it...and it also uninstalls cleanly back to stock Aug 07 03:32:25 yep, it's building for public feed now Aug 07 03:38:52 Oooo I got my patch to install finally Aug 07 03:39:18 cool :D Aug 07 03:39:43 Geetings Aug 07 03:39:48 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/290393-patch-dark-theme-facebook-exhibition-mode.html#post3055284 Aug 07 03:40:32 So I can't get the SDK or the webOS quick install to work... I guess the novacom drivers don't support OSX 10.7 lion Aug 07 03:41:35 trsohmers, pretty sure they do work. Aug 07 03:41:53 I get installation failed when I try installing the drivers Aug 07 03:42:11 and from what I am reading online, it isn't supported officially with the 3.0sdk Aug 07 03:42:51 3.0.2 brought the support iirc Aug 07 03:43:04 the logs @ logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs have a discussion about that. Aug 07 03:43:18 Cant get my images to load Aug 07 03:43:33 Maybe on the device side... but the drivers wont install on my machine Aug 07 03:47:38 the version that supports lion is supposedly in the early access area of the Developers forum Aug 07 03:48:13 3.0.2 was released yesterday Aug 07 03:49:00 grab it from the sdk public site Aug 07 03:49:24 Yep, I just got it now. Aug 07 03:49:54 * ka6sox grabs it too...however...my TP communicates just fine. Aug 07 03:51:51 ka6sox: And you are running OSX Lion? Aug 07 03:51:59 Developer build, RC, or release? Aug 07 03:52:19 release Aug 07 03:52:48 hmm Aug 07 03:53:15 I work with enough "developer" or "RC" builds that if I am using it for real stuff I only want release Aug 07 03:53:17 PatrickC, can u get the patch to work? Aug 07 03:53:27 Abyssul: haven't installed it yet Aug 07 03:53:30 * rwhitby waits for a month before installing any new OS version Aug 07 03:53:48 Abyssul: I'll install it later tonight Aug 07 03:54:10 rwhitby, normally I do...but Chuqui's results kinda goaded me into installing it. Aug 07 03:54:21 what result? Aug 07 03:54:24 (also I have a snapshot of SL) Aug 07 03:54:37 oh he was posting about it for a while on g+ Aug 07 03:55:56 uberkernel in public feed Aug 07 03:56:07 someone test please Aug 07 03:56:39 okay let me test from public feed this time Aug 07 04:00:38 OK.. I put my TP into developer mode, and I am trying to use novaterm... Aug 07 04:00:59 I am getting "login using a password required" Aug 07 04:01:23 rwhitby, I only see it in testing Aug 07 04:01:29 maybe I missed a feed? Aug 07 04:02:35 nvm Aug 07 04:02:39 figured it out myself Aug 07 04:03:23 rwhitby, 3.0.2-23? Aug 07 04:03:28 or is it still -22? Aug 07 04:04:40 ok, got xecutah running Aug 07 04:04:49 tried installing openssh but can't seem to find it. Aug 07 04:04:58 drobbins, its in preware Aug 07 04:05:04 under optware Aug 07 04:05:44 for the native Aug 07 04:05:55 what is the full path? Aug 07 04:06:41 jas....I'm rebooting my TP. Aug 07 04:07:04 using the preware app... Aug 07 04:07:21 optware apps: and then openssh Aug 07 04:07:27 will will drag in what it needs Aug 07 04:08:32 yep, got that. Aug 07 04:08:40 maybe my xterm doesn't have the path set right. Aug 07 04:08:45 did all that. Aug 07 04:08:59 /opt/bin/ssh Aug 07 04:09:12 but there should be a symlink for that too. Aug 07 04:09:46 Just installed Preware :D Aug 07 04:10:03 /opt/bin/scp too. Aug 07 04:10:51 ok Aug 07 04:11:09 there are also about 1500 packages that are available via ipkg-opt for the device Aug 07 04:11:15 on the touchpad now Aug 07 04:11:20 thanks Aug 07 04:11:24 yw Aug 07 04:12:24 rwhitby, kernel installs, works, removes cleanly Aug 07 04:19:24 trying to figure out how tonpair an apple keyboard Aug 07 04:19:29 to pair Aug 07 04:21:46 there we go Aug 07 04:21:57 the bluetooth pairing on the touchpad is a little tricky Aug 07 04:22:13 you need to enter the code you enter on the touchpad, on the keyboard, then enter, then it pairs. Aug 07 04:22:19 well this is quite nice :) Aug 07 04:23:09 hrm, maybe not. Aug 07 04:23:16 keyboard mapping is off Aug 07 04:25:02 hmmmmmmm Aug 07 04:25:31 drobbins, thats one of the areas that need improvement Aug 07 04:25:55 command-a pops it into flippy flip mode Aug 07 04:26:29 maybe the hp keyboard works better - i wonder if it has control Aug 07 04:26:37 oh and period is not working ;0 Aug 07 04:26:51 so close and yet so far ;0 Aug 07 04:26:57 indeed.... Aug 07 04:27:57 ok Aug 07 04:28:12 it is probably an X problem Aug 07 04:28:24 I have period and comma in the web browser Aug 07 04:31:37 so close to massive hacking ability Aug 07 04:32:36 iirc we may have a possible fix for most of the nits...but there are a few left. Aug 07 04:33:56 pretty impressive so far. Aug 07 04:34:06 you're 95% there :) Aug 07 04:34:24 thanks...a lot of good folk put a lot of effort to make that. Aug 07 04:34:33 I've noticed that the keyboard screen display disappears when a bt keyboard is paired Aug 07 04:34:45 thats a "feature" Aug 07 04:36:09 any power-user oriented keybaord apps available? Aug 07 04:36:59 not yet...its high on everyone's list Aug 07 04:37:05 Iee something called keyboss Aug 07 04:37:12 ya, thats for phones. Aug 07 04:37:17 ah ok Aug 07 04:38:32 I spend a lot of time with mine connected to my "host" computer via USB and logged into it that way. Aug 07 04:38:48 using a screen session Aug 07 04:38:52 or via SSH. Aug 07 04:39:38 ah ok Aug 07 04:39:52 so you go the other direction - log in via sshd. Aug 07 04:40:00 hooray for nostalgia Aug 07 04:40:20 drobbins, yes, mostly because I do low level OS stuff..and not GUI related Aug 07 04:40:57 writing a "safe" LVM resizer and chroot partition application. Aug 07 04:41:13 without reformatting the whole device Aug 07 04:42:10 cool Aug 07 04:42:20 are you working for HP? Aug 07 04:42:45 no, I am with webos-internals...mostly I am the Infra Guy. Aug 07 04:42:55 but occasionally I dabble in dev stuff. Aug 07 04:44:05 that is a pretty intense project for someone outside of HP Aug 07 04:44:22 but the stuff I work on is mostly related to keeping the devices safe and not blowing them up. Aug 07 04:44:56 its been "interesting" working on how to do it and recover from almost any failure. Aug 07 04:46:07 I have scripts that do it...but adding the safety stuff is taking a fair bit of time to do. Aug 07 04:47:06 since I know nothing of GUI's rwhitby is handling all that...(and playing the the node.js stuff too!0 Aug 07 04:47:07 ) Aug 07 05:00:17 well keep up the good work Aug 07 05:00:26 I am going to bed soon after a bit more playing on the touchpad Aug 07 05:01:02 drobbins, this is the land of intense projects Aug 07 05:10:38 indeed...we only do the HARD ones it seems. Aug 07 05:14:29 the easy ones are all in the catalog for $$ Aug 07 05:15:43 where the heck is Tide? Aug 07 05:15:49 I have the testing feeds enabled Aug 07 05:15:54 in the ocean. Aug 07 05:16:01 Smart.... Aug 07 05:16:08 Go thing Im a mile away from it Aug 07 05:16:13 good* Aug 07 05:18:21 Abyssul, same here...about 1mile. Aug 07 05:18:54 Abyssul, you do know there is an all testing feed right Aug 07 05:18:59 that arm isnt the ony one Aug 07 05:19:42 ill add that one too Aug 07 05:20:35 armv7 Aug 07 05:42:35 Got Tide :) Aug 07 05:45:15 kewl...I am liking it. Aug 07 05:45:25 when I get time...erlang support :D Aug 07 05:53:56 PuffTheMagic: make Tide use vim's syntax highlighting files? :) Aug 07 05:54:25 Any clue what down differential is for the ondemandtcl governor Aug 07 05:54:50 Lumiere, cant, its got its own format for syntax highlighting Aug 07 06:01:00 puffthemagic, the spinner spins endlessly in Tide if the folder is empty when you are searching for a file to open Aug 07 06:04:17 ahh good call, def need to fix that Aug 07 06:04:49 Browser wont let me download Dropbox files WTF HP Aug 07 06:05:55 PuffTheMagic, is there a copy and paste option? Aug 07 06:06:15 ya Aug 07 06:06:20 on the todo list ;) Aug 07 06:06:23 k Aug 07 06:06:39 trying to pull up a sample C file and I dont wanna put it in usb mode to transfer it lol Aug 07 11:16:21 hello guys Aug 07 11:17:35 Voogle is available only in US ? Aug 07 11:43:14 hi Aug 07 11:44:00 Do webosdoctor 1.4.5 removes files from the folder / media / internal /? Aug 07 11:44:53 it's really important Aug 07 11:46:22 guys Aug 07 13:00:04 so important he couldn't wait Aug 07 14:36:30 new here, not sure how the IRC channel operators. Do I just ask questions here? Aug 07 14:43:14 I am working on test automation software for webOS. I have successfully injected key presses into the driver. But have not been able to inject touch events. At this time I do not have a device so I am working with the touch pad emulator. I can monitor event on the touch driver but am not seeing X/Y events. Any ideas where to find some information? Aug 07 15:04:27 :? Aug 07 15:04:50 what touchdriver are you using? Aug 07 15:05:15 I am using uinput. Aug 07 15:05:38 also tried to write to /dev/input/event3 Aug 07 18:13:52 "You need an internet connection to turn off automatic backup." <-- Apparently the backup app doesn't respect Wifi? Aug 07 18:15:47 I'm getting an error in govnah on my touchpad with the unixpsycho kernel. CPU 1 shows no activity and I've reinstalled govnah and everything I try to make a speed change or a governor change it says it can't open the scaling_governor. any ideas? Aug 07 18:19:09 I can't find anything related to it on precentral Aug 07 18:23:56 cpu1 turns of if its not needed Aug 07 18:27:40 right but I can't get it to come on. what about the error in govnah when I try to change the CPU settings? Aug 07 18:35:00 #harate Aug 07 18:48:55 Has anyone been able to get bluetooth tethering working between Pre and TouchPad using Freetether? Aug 07 18:51:02 not possible to do that between any 2 webos devices Aug 07 18:51:20 there is no way to initiate a pan connection from webos Aug 07 19:03:08 PuffTheMagic: for tide, would it be possible to setup sftp storage? Aug 07 19:05:01 if someone implements that as synergy provider then yes Aug 07 19:05:38 im not adding any storage code that is not a synergy provider Aug 07 20:03:58 moving between my pre2 and touchpad is really unsettling. Aug 07 20:04:05 the touchpad has such a damn beautiful screen Aug 07 20:22:54 and the pre2 doesnt? Aug 07 20:24:25 oil: it does, but it's so tiny Aug 07 20:24:47 it also doesn't seem to have as high of a dpi Aug 07 20:26:24 No one wants my patch <.< what a waste of time Aug 07 20:46:40 Abyssul, whats your patch? Aug 07 20:47:21 oil: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/290393-patch-dark-theme-facebook-exhibition-mode.html Aug 07 20:49:22 ah Aug 07 20:49:43 yeah, i dont have a facebook account, so ill never use it :/ Aug 07 20:50:20 Look nice though? Aug 07 20:50:44 yeah Aug 07 20:52:58 blah @ legal gray waters Aug 07 20:54:15 so much time and research to figure out Aug 07 21:15:19 http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6579356/game-of-thrones-rpg Aug 07 22:41:08 For the love of humanity can anyone explain to me why this Pre- wont work with the app catalog Aug 07 22:43:07 Abyssul: activated? Aug 07 22:45:15 what's the pedigree of the device and the firmware on it? Aug 07 22:46:01 hey rwhitby Aug 07 22:46:06 pedigree? Aug 07 22:46:26 PatrickC: I am not your dictionary, mate. Aug 07 22:46:38 Seriously, you need to stop doing that. Aug 07 22:46:44 isn't pedigree like lineage? Aug 07 22:47:01 or breed* Aug 07 22:49:27 LOL Aug 07 22:51:38 Pre- with a Pre2 comm board used with a Sprint 1.4.5 doctor Aug 07 22:52:06 used palm bypass activation tool and the profile patch to sign into a palm profile Aug 07 22:52:23 Profile is US region activated Aug 07 22:54:02 (comm board is from GSM unlocked Pre2) Aug 07 23:00:50 rwhitby: Any ideas? Aug 07 23:01:35 I personally would have used the Meta-Doctor. I know that works. Aug 07 23:01:58 I cant make it build Aug 07 23:02:06 Gives me a make error that the make clobber doesnt fix Aug 07 23:02:13 Im going through the metadoctor thread atm Aug 07 23:09:06 oh wow, it built this time Aug 07 23:09:08 Magic... Aug 07 23:11:38 oh wow, public UK for TP Aug 07 23:13:25 Damn OTA update got rid of my sprint apps Aug 07 23:33:08 forgot to skip first-use app Aug 07 23:33:12 Gotta rebuild lol Aug 08 00:02:19 rwhitby: meta-doctor didnt work either Aug 08 00:02:43 what script did you use, and what other modifications did you make? Aug 08 00:03:05 makefile device=pre carrier=sprint of a sprint 1.4.5 doctor Aug 08 00:03:06 cause it works for hundreds of other people Aug 08 00:04:05 There isnt a script for a Sprint Pre- with Pre2 GSM radio. I just wanna use it for wifi only but have app catalog access Aug 08 00:04:14 Abyssul: e.g. what wiki page instructions are you following for that specific hardware configuration? Aug 08 00:04:16 Not asking for cell access Aug 08 00:04:39 No instructions. Just a guess on the configuration. Aug 08 00:04:44 meta-wr-franken-sprint-pre-2.1.0 Aug 08 00:05:00 Can I make that 1.4.5 though? Aug 08 00:06:00 maybe Aug 08 00:06:28 makes no sense that the regular make-file wouldnt work Aug 08 00:06:39 what you should actually do instead is change the tokens to by P100UEU and carrier ROW and then just use a standard ROW GSM doctor Aug 08 00:06:58 actually, it makes a lot of sense that guesses end up with non-working outcomes Aug 08 00:07:43 Well its essentialy a pre- with sprint tokens but just a gsm radio (that I dont even use) Aug 08 00:08:17 which is the same as a P100UEU or P100UNA as far as the app catalog is concerned Aug 08 00:08:49 Indeed. Ill look into how to edit the tokens Aug 08 00:09:14 you will also want to capture dbus-control --capture and /var/log/messages output around the time that the app catalog is refusing you. I presume you're using a brand new profile to test it. Aug 08 00:09:28 Yep, new profile Aug 08 00:10:29 There is a thread on Precentral with others who couldnt get it to work too. Ill hopefully get a solution Aug 08 00:17:19 pastebin.com/vui2bKWS Aug 08 00:18:04 simnotready error and DISC0050 error "Unable to authenticate" Aug 08 00:19:06 what did you do with regard to carrier and model checks Aug 08 00:19:17 Nothing Aug 08 00:19:27 Originally was 2.1 Aug 08 00:19:42 oh, you have a device which has gone backwards? Aug 08 00:19:42 changed the comm board, doctored it, and here I am Aug 08 00:19:51 (in webOS versions) Aug 08 00:20:05 Yeah Aug 08 00:20:13 new profile though. Did it change the tokens? Aug 08 00:20:36 there are reports that the servers are rejecting devices which have gone backwards from 2.x to 1.x Aug 08 00:20:48 Wonderful lol Aug 08 00:20:56 it may well be a change on the servers by HP Aug 08 00:21:17 Cant even use impostah to install free apps. I think there is a PC .jar that can do it for 1.4.5 though Aug 08 00:22:45 No hope then? :p Aug 08 00:24:04 Wonder if I could install the 2.1 app catalog and have it work Aug 08 00:28:32 Abyssul: it has nothing to do with the application Aug 08 00:28:44 Didnt think so :p Aug 08 00:30:55 Trying to find that one .jar on the forums that creates a fake app which gets "updated" by the software manager Aug 08 00:31:00 Similar to what impostah does Aug 08 00:32:09 Nvm found it. Its DummyMaker Aug 08 00:32:47 yep. that Aug 08 00:34:39 if impostah doesn't work then dummy maker is unlikely to work Aug 08 00:34:45 oh. requires 2.0 or higher. dangit Aug 08 00:35:07 This effectively sucks... Aug 08 00:39:11 Does anyone know if there is a work around to buy apps that require 2.x after upgrading to 2.1.0 on an at&t pre plus? Aug 08 00:39:58 I always thought you could with the new scripts Aug 08 00:40:07 Probably wrong Aug 08 00:40:32 Not sure... Aug 08 00:42:21 nope Aug 08 00:42:33 not gonna happen, server side stuff, AT&T didn't allow it :( Aug 08 00:42:59 ok, thought that might be the case just checking, thanks Aug 08 02:03:34 wow, defcon finally over, back to not ignoring the rest of my life :) Aug 08 02:03:52 lol Aug 08 02:04:33 hey destinal Aug 08 02:04:53 PatrickC: hey Aug 08 02:05:40 I masq'd my pre2 as 3.0.2 and still couldn't get the app cat to work, it doesn't matter anymore though :) I'm getting a real tp :) Aug 08 02:24:50 PatrickC, you try my patch? Aug 08 02:25:21 I forgot to install it last night.. can you email it to me? I won't be at a computer to dl it from the thread.. Aug 08 02:29:51 When my phone updated, it stole my Sprint apps away from me <.< Aug 08 02:30:16 :/ Aug 08 02:56:59 PatrickC Aug 08 02:57:16 yeah? Aug 08 02:57:36 In response to above, you can email the attachment (patch) from precentral Aug 08 02:57:43 they have an "email attachment" button Aug 08 02:57:48 then install the patch from phone Aug 08 02:58:15 you must be signed in and it'll email to your account's email Aug 08 02:58:51 ah ok Aug 08 02:58:55 forgot about that **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 08 02:59:58 2011