**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 09 02:59:56 2011 Aug 09 03:01:23 rwhitby: I'm interested in UK for the pre2 Aug 09 03:01:30 didn't know we had obligations Aug 09 03:04:26 PatrickC: so you've never read the Testing_Feeds wiki page? Aug 09 03:04:40 that alone disqualifies you Aug 09 03:04:42 I did a long time ago Aug 09 03:04:48 its been a while Aug 09 03:04:55 should I read it regularly? Aug 09 03:05:16 it hasn't changed. you should, however, act on what you have agreed to. Aug 09 03:05:33 I'll refresh my memory then Aug 09 03:07:10 tide v0.0.23 pushed Aug 09 03:08:37 rwhitby: never noticed the part about the forums. sorry Aug 09 03:08:41 report there? Aug 09 03:30:26 did the pre2 UK get taken out of the feeds? Aug 09 03:30:49 yes, see @webosinternals tweets Aug 09 03:31:01 rwhitby: I re-read the wiki Aug 09 03:31:07 millertech_: (was not referring to you in the tweets) Aug 09 03:31:14 I must have missed the forum part last time Aug 09 03:31:16 sorry Aug 09 03:31:24 * millertech_ opens spas hd Aug 09 03:31:47 * millertech_ adds spaz to auto correct Aug 09 03:35:42 wirc on tp is really nice Aug 09 03:36:32 rwatkins: ah, I remember now. uninstalling the patch will delete the patches files completely Aug 09 03:36:43 so people will be left with a broken app catalog. Aug 09 03:36:53 fatal flaw in using AUPT scripts for third party apps Aug 09 03:37:07 (since they were only designed for rootfs patches) Aug 09 04:02:06 Puffy_tp: I'm back, but it looks like you may not need me (see Tide out there) Aug 09 04:02:38 you co7ld still try itl Aug 09 04:03:10 * scoutcamper high 5's Puffy_tp on Tide being awesome! Aug 09 04:03:32 im glad people are liking it Aug 09 04:04:35 bug be fixed! Aug 09 04:04:47 dumb question, what's that horizontal line for? Aug 09 04:05:05 print margin Aug 09 04:05:14 common in most editors Aug 09 04:05:31 ah, I figured it was some sort of margin Aug 09 04:05:31 good style is to nit have lines go longer than it Aug 09 04:05:47 hah, don't look at any of my code then Aug 09 04:06:31 24" monitor running 1080p and I'll still have to scroll left right sometimes :) Aug 09 04:07:30 yo, wut up Aug 09 04:07:38 wonder if HP will bring in a alt-tab type of thing with that card button Aug 09 04:07:52 does anyone know how to get out a stripped T5 screw? Aug 09 04:08:02 cause apparently, the screws palm uses are horrible Aug 09 04:09:59 flare576, the WORLD wants to know that... Aug 09 04:10:05 I mean...they went 1/2 way :P Aug 09 04:12:59 they really did Aug 09 04:13:44 bnceo: if you can get to the surface of the screw, I've always been a fan of dremmeling the screw into a flat-driver :) Aug 09 04:14:45 if you can't get to the surface... a very small flat head might be able to be wedged in there, but the screws a lost cause either way :( Aug 09 04:15:20 ka6sox: they could have at least made the arrow keys do something in card view :( Aug 09 04:15:35 yup Aug 09 04:15:41 but...they didn't Aug 09 04:15:46 so we have what we have. Aug 09 04:16:19 wonder... if that's patchable... capture the arrow key and turn it into a left/right swipe action.... Aug 09 04:16:23 no dremel Aug 09 04:16:36 bah. I wanted to do my gf's frankenpre tonight! Aug 09 04:18:24 you must have really done a number on the screw :/ Aug 09 04:18:28 flare576, interesting. Aug 09 04:23:14 ka6sox, in case this'll save me some time: is it possible right now to launch the xserver without space for the onscreen keyboard? Aug 09 04:24:16 flare576: nope :) Aug 09 04:25:05 ok dokey; I'll keep poking around the code for more knowledge, but that'll save me some sanity later :) Aug 09 04:25:37 flare576: i haven't read backlog, just get pinged on xserver ;). if you end up diving into the code much lmk and i'll help as i can :). Aug 09 04:26:45 flare576, yes, if you have a BT keyboard hooked up. Aug 09 04:26:48 :D Aug 09 04:26:50 no backlog to read on this one, and thanks! I'm just getting back into the dev stuff... well, "back in" isn't quite right, all I've done in the past is hijack the 5x4 icons patch and fix a spacing issue :) Aug 09 04:26:59 I do have a BT keyboard hooked up Aug 09 04:27:03 still reserves the space Aug 09 04:27:47 what app? Aug 09 04:27:50 if it's in a config/launch/etc file somewhere, don't tell me just yet, just knowing its possible is enough :) Aug 09 04:27:55 xserver itself Aug 09 04:27:59 oh. Aug 09 04:28:06 I don't muckwiht that. Aug 09 04:28:13 not direclty anyways. Aug 09 04:28:18 hmm, ok Aug 09 04:28:27 I call it, and assign it a display # Aug 09 04:28:30 but thats it. Aug 09 04:28:48 hmm, I don't know how to do that... I've got learning to do :) Aug 09 04:29:04 I need to figure out how to get xecutah to keep track of multiple xservers and assign apps to them. Aug 09 04:30:12 I learned yesterday that most distros have 6 displays with a 7th for x... and that's about all I know about it lol Aug 09 04:32:07 those aren't X displays, those are just virtual consoles Aug 09 04:32:11 is the 2.2 emu out ? Aug 09 04:32:45 dwc-, I have multiple servers running Aug 09 04:32:48 Robi_: not publicly. but I can't say if its out at all Aug 09 04:33:04 ka6sox: I gathered that. I meant flare Aug 09 04:33:39 * dwc- runs his desktops often with multiple X displays Aug 09 04:35:14 hmm, more learning to do ;) Aug 09 04:35:36 the 6 displays you're talking about are often run out of init (see /etc/inittab) Aug 09 04:36:06 I installed my first linux yesterday in a VM... work laptop couldn't work and desktop machine lost its RAID array every time I tried doing it for real. Aug 09 04:36:06 the 7th virtual console (virtual tty, etc) is often used for X though, as you say Aug 09 04:38:08 aw crap.... what's esc in xterm... Aug 09 04:38:27 PatrickC: ah, looking to fully pair with my TouchPad ;] Aug 09 04:38:42 is Skype the only app that uses the TocuhPad camera? Aug 09 04:39:12 flare576: err don't tell you what now? :) Aug 09 04:39:23 Robi_: nope, the 'Camear' app does now as well :) Aug 09 04:40:08 ^ Aug 09 04:40:09 dtzWill, I started a vi run and went into insert before learning how to back out :( lol Aug 09 04:40:13 esc? the escape key? Aug 09 04:40:30 * flare576 does not see escape on TP keypad Aug 09 04:40:41 ohhh Aug 09 04:40:50 sorry, dunno. no touchpad here Aug 09 04:40:52 dtzWill: hm didnt see that one, appcat? Aug 09 04:41:46 Robi_: think so, saw misc articles on it from the usual sources in the last few days Aug 09 04:42:14 i find nothing matching Aug 09 04:43:21 oh I see .99c Aug 09 04:44:27 heh seeing 2 procs in govnah is awesome Aug 09 04:44:30 1 is almost unused Aug 09 04:45:18 I like the fact that you guys made an exhibition mode for govnah :) Aug 09 04:45:35 Robi_: I have not used the camera app, and am not necc endorsing it, but just thought i'd asnwer your question :) Aug 09 04:45:38 i want my 50 dollar credit from HP Aug 09 04:46:09 dtzWill: np , ven though you mispelled it Aug 09 04:46:24 in quotes Aug 09 04:46:33 ;] Aug 09 04:47:08 Robi_, are you downloading it? Aug 09 04:47:12 doctor doctor gime the news ... I wanna twooooo ooohpoint twoooo Aug 09 04:47:38 Robi_: lolol whoops sorry :) Aug 09 04:47:39 flare576: no, enjoying turntable instead Aug 09 04:47:51 flare576: ah, yeah. no esc key atm. Aug 09 04:47:52 hmm, is there something wrong with my binaries, or does webOS strip out debugging info? I can't do `info locals` in an attached gdb :\ Aug 09 04:48:08 er, s/webos/widk's gcc/ Aug 09 04:48:25 I do miss typing space twice for a '.' at the end of sentances Aug 09 04:48:30 rrix, ask that question again in 30minutes Aug 09 04:48:34 i loooveee my veeerrrr :D Aug 09 04:48:39 dtzWill, ouch.... no more vi for Flare lol Aug 09 04:48:39 ..just thought you should know. Aug 09 04:49:15 loooove the 299 touchpad Aug 09 04:49:19 ka6sox: You mean for when rod wakes up, I take it? Aug 09 04:49:31 actually, if the bt keyboard sends 'esc' that shoouulldd go through, i think. Aug 09 04:49:34 haven't tested that lately. Aug 09 04:49:47 orly Aug 09 04:49:54 just need a bt keyboard with etc then.. Aug 09 04:50:12 although i might be talking about the version of xserver i have that i need to push Aug 09 04:50:14 mean esc Aug 09 04:50:16 silly packaging snafu, sigh Aug 09 04:50:38 don't mean to suggest features exist that don't... Aug 09 04:51:02 * halfhalo was under the impression that lunasysmgr goes omnomnom to esc for the stupid notification thing. Aug 09 04:51:13 flippin 'a, this keyboard makes it way too easy to lose time in here (on screen makes it seem like forever to get a message out) Aug 09 04:52:23 night all. keep on kicking arse :) Aug 09 04:53:41 halfhalo: it would appear you're correct Aug 09 04:54:12 what i meant was "It's possible that if xserver sees SDLK_ESC, it'll do the right thing and send the proper x keyboard event to client X11 apps" Aug 09 04:54:24 but if luna eats it then it won't work, no :) Aug 09 05:47:32 Puffy_tp: your twitter pic looks exactly like an image I remember seeing used for the main page of a website by Mat Buckland long ago.. is that where you got it? :p Aug 09 05:48:26 actually, I think it's different. nevermind. Aug 09 14:17:11 Trying to open a program called celtx on xserver with LXDE and I get a lame error any advice? Here's the error Aug 09 14:23:05 https://www.box.net/shared/fvo0ol0ytazhsdj0t58s Aug 09 14:26:15 quick question, what kind of material is on the com board of the pre and pre+? some kind of magnetic shielding? it looks too specific to be of no importance, and I just tore it in half... Aug 09 14:26:25 Xserver now only opens with the lower sction of the screen unused... how do I launch xserver in fullscreen? Aug 09 14:27:09 it looks like thick and gray (almost shiny) sticky tape... Aug 09 14:28:13 why did you break it? Aug 09 14:28:32 it was an accident Aug 09 14:28:38 I tried to get it all off, but it was too sticky Aug 09 14:28:43 half of it decided to stick to the com board Aug 09 14:28:47 the other half came with me Aug 09 14:28:49 lol Aug 09 14:29:32 OH THAT Aug 09 14:29:35 I could just slap it back on the way it is, but it wouldn't be sticky anymore Aug 09 14:29:43 but at least it would be there Aug 09 14:29:44 UM I think it's just to hold stuff in place Aug 09 14:30:11 I messe dmine up a bit and the backlighting ont he kb became uneven Aug 09 14:30:15 and that was abou it Aug 09 14:30:22 hmm Aug 09 14:31:16 making a pre + for sprint? Aug 09 14:33:09 yup Aug 09 14:33:20 third time swapping boards Aug 09 14:34:11 swapped them a while back, but then sprint refused to activate the phone without adding data to my plan, so I swapped them back and continued using t-mobile for a bit Aug 09 14:34:45 now I'm contemplating messing with the ESN if I can figure out what the MSL is Aug 09 14:37:13 still doing research on the legality of it though, it's annoyingly murky Aug 09 14:39:16 from what I understand so far, changing the ESN in and of itself may or may not be legal, depending on the reason for the change (it used to be completely illegal but the FCC's stance on that changed sometime around 2001-2003 due to difficulties caused to hardware manufacturers and distributors) Aug 09 14:42:17 i.e. if the change is in an effort to avoid paying a lawful fee for a service rendered, or to steal someone else's service, or to hide two lines under one plan, then it's fraud Aug 09 15:27:09 Hey guys Im trying to debug the synergy plugins can someone tell me how to run the command C:\Program Files\Palm, Inc\novacom.exe" -t open tty://, on a mac? Aug 09 15:27:21 or the equivalent command Aug 09 15:33:12 i have three app catalog $50 credits on my account... could this be because i've had to return touchpad twice? Aug 09 16:02:29 joem_: bonus! Aug 09 16:02:46 they probably think you bought 3 touchpads Aug 09 16:03:17 could bei do show 3 devices on my options Aug 09 16:03:56 milkncookies: you just need to find out where the sdk installer puts novacom on the mac Aug 09 16:04:28 * halfhalo-work has his in /usr/local/bin/novacom on his mac Aug 09 16:18:31 used bonus doll hairs and bought the preware homebrew doc Aug 09 16:36:37 rwhitby: have there been any reports of uberkernel on pre- being angry recently? Aug 09 16:36:57 _something_ changed on my phone that's making it lag like nothing else, and not come back from sleep Aug 09 16:55:41 SPC/MSL acquired! :D Aug 09 16:55:46 I love it when things just work out. Aug 09 17:08:41 farewell infobot Aug 09 17:44:04 any patches available to address unable to open mime type issues from the browser? Aug 09 17:49:16 damn...even with a partition I'm still rebooting when I try to install libreoffice Aug 09 17:52:48 any trick to not have to delete the filenotify.db3 when uploading new media stuff? Aug 09 17:53:05 media playback works great h264 video and everything after deleting that guy and device restart Aug 09 17:56:51 wait for it to scan normally? I think there might be a patch somewhere that lets you force it to scan as well Aug 09 18:07:45 yup, libreoffice-common kills it every time...time to go log digging Aug 09 18:21:12 http://pastebin.com/dbyYicLh Aug 09 18:21:18 kernel panic.. Aug 09 18:28:44 yup, like clockwork :/ Aug 09 18:46:23 i see an Enable Media Sync patch Aug 09 18:46:32 not 100% sure what it does Aug 09 18:47:03 i think thats old "webos syncs with itunes" stuff Aug 09 18:47:45 oh that's right... does that still work? Aug 09 18:48:11 don't think so Aug 09 18:48:40 so that patch probably isnt gonna do anything Aug 09 18:49:30 it's the advanced options in launcher patch Aug 09 18:49:48 looks like it's for 2.1 Aug 09 18:50:54 nice.. thanks Aug 09 18:52:36 rwhitby: ping? Aug 09 18:59:59 rwhitby: nvm.. I actually read something and learned.. Aug 09 19:00:09 haha Aug 09 20:25:16 hi Aug 09 20:25:44 help me...!!! Aug 09 20:25:50 ok.. what? Aug 09 20:25:54 error ipkg Aug 09 20:26:26 what did you do? Aug 09 20:26:35 what are you trying to install? what device? Aug 09 20:27:09 that the flashlight for the camera install gives me error log ipkg Aug 09 20:27:25 paste the log please Aug 09 20:27:32 we can't help if we don't see the error Aug 09 20:27:34 Guest74660, device and os? Aug 09 20:28:29 I can do with that is that the update does not uninstall the patch Aug 09 20:28:57 Guest74660: can you please clarify what you are saying? Aug 09 20:28:58 ok Aug 09 20:28:59 ok Aug 09 20:29:03 wait... Aug 09 20:29:14 Guest74660: what device/os? Aug 09 20:29:24 WEB OS 1.4.5 Aug 09 20:29:40 Guest74660, pre or pixi? + or -? Aug 09 20:29:43 pre/+/pidi? Aug 09 20:29:44 pre Aug 09 20:29:44 pixi* Aug 09 20:29:50 pre Aug 09 20:29:56 Guest74660, Pre+ or Pre-? Aug 09 20:30:08 palm pre Aug 09 20:30:18 so - probably Aug 09 20:30:23 - Aug 09 20:30:25 is there a little button on the bottom? Aug 09 20:30:26 ok Aug 09 20:30:32 lol Aug 09 20:30:53 * PatrickC thinks about the pic of the Pixi with the button.. haha Aug 09 20:31:39 is pre- Aug 09 20:32:01 I do not speak English I'm from mexic Aug 09 20:32:36 Error installing: See IPKG Log Aug 09 20:32:48 What does it say below that? Aug 09 20:32:54 err. Sorry Aug 09 20:33:07 Tap the button at the very top left of the screen Aug 09 20:33:48 ok Aug 09 20:33:57 Then tap on "IPKG log" Aug 09 20:34:13 give me your mail to send it Aug 09 20:34:20 copy and paste it Aug 09 20:34:23 to pastebin.com Aug 09 20:35:48 pastebin.com so only if so already send Aug 09 20:36:31 Guest74660, please clarify the question? Aug 09 20:36:54 thanks Aug 09 20:37:34 I have an error when trying to install a patch on the video camera flash light Aug 09 20:38:34 ipkg I get error log is that you see that updates do not uninstall the operating system patches Aug 09 20:38:42 Guest74660: puedes copiar y poner el mensaje del error en pastebin.com, y dar nos el URL? Aug 09 20:38:56 ok Aug 09 20:38:57 si Aug 09 20:39:07 puedo hablar un poco de espanol Aug 09 20:39:16 aah ok Aug 09 20:39:17 es todo ^ Aug 09 20:39:17 gracias Aug 09 20:39:18 el mensaje de "IPKG Log", por favor Aug 09 20:39:23 si Aug 09 20:39:48 mi espanol no es perfecto, pero puedo tratar Aug 09 20:39:53 ok Aug 09 20:40:08 * PatrickC es lost Aug 09 20:40:36 * oilsworkn is always in awe of people who are multilingual Aug 09 20:40:50 oilsworkn: estupido Aug 09 20:40:59 jajajaja Aug 09 20:41:02 I attended a spanish immersion elementary school, and double majored in CS and Spanish Aug 09 20:41:17 summatusmentis: nice, you're way better at spanish then I am Aug 09 20:41:22 high school spanish FTL Aug 09 20:41:23 sometimes it comes in useful :) Aug 09 20:41:27 * oilsworkn is only multilingual if you include programming languages xD Aug 09 20:41:39 lol Aug 09 20:41:49 oilsworkn: kind of counts Aug 09 20:41:56 but not really Aug 09 20:42:19 are there any major programming languages not in english? Aug 09 20:42:26 not that I'm aware of Aug 09 20:42:33 arguably ASM :) Aug 09 20:42:46 Tibfib, well, Binary is arguably many langages Aug 09 20:42:47 * oilsworkn has seen non-english comments in code before Aug 09 20:43:07 indeed, me too Aug 09 20:43:10 heh Aug 09 20:43:10 and send mail with the error url pastebin.com and wants you to pass Aug 09 20:43:20 summatusmentis, there are some that purport to be english...but have such wierd naming that I wouldn't say that. Aug 09 20:43:29 all i can do is copy/paste frmo http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/preware/tree/resources/es/strings.json Aug 09 20:43:30 :) Aug 09 20:44:07 lol Aug 09 20:44:16 Guest74660: no necesitas mandar lo, es preferible que nos da el URL que cojas despues de decir "submit" Aug 09 20:44:39 wait, Tibfib is + in #w-i now? Aug 09 20:44:42 also I'm sure there is some hacker language written in chinese. Aug 09 20:44:46 oilsworkn: apparently Aug 09 20:44:46 (or russian) Aug 09 20:44:50 lol Aug 09 20:45:00 thats cool Aug 09 20:45:34 tampoco necesitas tener una cuenta, puedes usarlo anonimo Aug 09 20:45:44 si si Aug 09 20:45:57 haber que URL Aug 09 20:46:01 de donde lo saco Aug 09 20:46:07 o donde lo encuentro Aug 09 20:46:11 ?????? Aug 09 20:46:19 xD Aug 09 20:46:24 ¬¬ Aug 09 20:46:47 despues de escojer "submit", la pagina va a cambiar a una nueva pagina, copia el URL de la nueva pagina Aug 09 20:46:49 Guest74660: tienes un URL de pastebin.com para nosotros? Aug 09 20:46:58 no Aug 09 20:47:00 no la tengo Aug 09 20:47:15 me la puedes proporcionar Aug 09 20:47:29 * scoutcamper es confused Aug 09 20:47:30 I just discovered my ISP may be redirecting requests meant for OpenDNS to their own DNS servers. Aug 09 20:47:45 Excuse me while I test my theory, and potentially throw a fit over the phone if my theory is correct. Aug 09 20:47:51 Guest74660: que pasa cuando escojas "submit"? Aug 09 20:48:18 ok Aug 09 20:48:19 espera Aug 09 20:48:23 ya capte Aug 09 20:49:50 es esta Aug 09 20:49:50 http://pastebin.com/0NweL2Zq Aug 09 20:50:11 gracias, perfecto Aug 09 20:50:16 ahora si me pueden ayudar Aug 09 20:50:22 ??????? Aug 09 20:51:07 voy a tratar de transducir lo que los otros dicen, no se que es la problema Aug 09 20:51:18 Tibfib, scoutcamper, etc. thoughts? Aug 09 20:51:20 no se tampoco Aug 09 20:52:17 you know what the problem is I do anything to install or uninstall and how or to what? Aug 09 20:53:13 Guest74660: nadie sabe ahora Aug 09 20:53:22 pufff Aug 09 20:54:03 Guest74660: parece que algo quebro en el processo de instalar, pero no se como repararlo Aug 09 20:54:13 tienes otros "patches" de camera ? Aug 09 20:54:52 aaam Aug 09 20:54:53 no Aug 09 20:54:56 solo ese Aug 09 20:55:04 :/ Aug 09 20:55:06 no se Aug 09 20:55:19 trato de instalar el LED MANAGER SERVICE PERO SE QUEDA CORTO DE TIEMPO Aug 09 20:55:24 necesitamos la ayuda de rwhitby Aug 09 20:55:38 good if no one knows anything or they tell me to pass the URL where I can or who can tell me how to improve my PALM PRE ... or do? throw it away or wave? Aug 09 20:56:12 Guest74660: no puedo comprender su mensaje Aug 09 20:56:26 hmm is su for usted also? or just he/she summatusmentis? Aug 09 20:56:55 i dt know Aug 09 20:57:06 Guest74660: si no tienes much tiempo ahora, sugiero que nos trata otra vez mas tarde, como dijo Tibfib, rwhitby nos puede ayudar, pero no esta ahora Aug 09 20:57:19 ok Aug 09 20:57:30 les encargo el problema y luego regreso ok Aug 09 20:57:37 thanks Aug 09 20:57:39 bye bye Aug 09 20:57:45 o, debo decir, as posible que rwhitby nos puede ayudar Aug 09 20:57:45 adios Aug 09 20:57:57 Guest74660: mantiene este pastebin URL Aug 09 20:58:04 crap Aug 09 20:58:10 haha. Aug 09 20:58:18 he might think we're gonna talk to rwhitby and have an answer for him when he comes back Aug 09 20:58:19 I haven't used spanish since may Aug 09 20:58:48 summatusmentis: whoops. Aug 09 20:59:29 Tibfib: sorry, what were you asking me? Aug 09 20:59:42 nevermind, google it Aug 09 20:59:49 s/google/googled/ Aug 09 20:59:49 Tibfib meant: nevermind, googled it Aug 09 22:18:40 Is there a way to restore just a kernel...for when you flash SR71 and it doesn't boot.... Aug 09 22:19:04 I know there's that memboot...but does that allow you to restore the kernel? Aug 09 22:19:39 yes Aug 09 22:20:33 Nice!...so I don't have to lose all my stuff? Aug 09 22:20:41 don't think so Aug 09 22:20:47 I've never had the need to membooy Aug 09 22:20:50 memboot* Aug 09 22:20:57 to recover my kernel Aug 09 22:21:18 hmmm....any one here do it before? Aug 09 22:22:00 bbl Aug 09 22:30:06 I just had to mem boot Aug 09 22:30:25 you get back in and then you can uninstall the modified kernel Aug 09 22:30:56 UK 2.1.0-75 is a no go for my Pre 1 Aug 09 22:30:58 pre2 Aug 09 22:32:53 It does not even get to the boot console Aug 09 22:33:07 NIce...so it is possible...w.h.e.W. Aug 09 22:33:43 millertech: thanks for the hope...I really should figure out how to do a nand style backup of this thing... Aug 09 22:38:10 We really should work out how to force people to memboot at least once before even installing a kernel from the testing feed. Aug 09 22:38:26 hah Aug 09 22:38:42 well, how do you force someone to the point of needing to memboot? Aug 09 22:38:42 rwhitby: it was really easy Aug 09 22:39:03 It always amazes me that folks go and install things clearly marked "Experimental" without learning first how to recover if things go wrong. Aug 09 22:39:36 rwhitby, is there a kernel flag for "its membooted"? if so, make preware check for it to install any kernels at all Aug 09 22:39:39 rwhitby: well, you should start a course on how people can be perfect like you too... Aug 09 22:39:53 see, some people learn from their mistakes...they don't learn BEFORE they make mistakes Aug 09 22:40:04 RavenII: well, since the kernels don't boot for some people, obviously we're not perfect - that's the point. Aug 09 22:40:05 you on the other hand...you're the diamond in the rough Aug 09 22:40:23 is there anything I can do to help debug this UK issue? Aug 09 22:40:31 many people don't recognize that experimental really means experimental Aug 09 22:40:36 Maybe we should intentionally just periodically put bad stuff in the testing feed to teach such folks a good lesson. Aug 09 22:40:38 most people take it to mean "not finished" Aug 09 22:40:42 which is not the same thing Aug 09 22:40:57 doitdoitdoit Aug 09 22:41:12 halfhalo-work: maybe we already do ;) Aug 09 22:41:16 rwhitby: maybe...that's how I learned most things myself...I mean isn't the whole point of all this, to learn? Aug 09 22:41:21 rwhitby: nicer thing would be a litmus test prior to giving people the URL for the testing feed Aug 09 22:41:31 yay! Aug 09 22:41:50 RavenII: folks like yourself aren't the problem Aug 09 22:42:29 sarcastic responses like https://twitter.com/guillaume_caron/status/100948868539224066 are the case in point Aug 09 22:42:31 I once typed rm -rF / into my terminal because some dude that was "helping" me learn linux, told me to do so in an IRC Chan....guess what I know to NEVER do again... Aug 09 22:43:03 Yeah, that's a 14 year old kid that is going to learn the hard way... Aug 09 22:43:33 the hard way being that most people aren't getting paid for ANY of this...so bitching and complaining gets you absolutely no where. Aug 09 22:43:39 * halfhalo-work ran rm -rf / on device recently. gotta love the fact that the app that ran that command did NOT crash until I tried to quit Aug 09 22:43:41 RavenII, bah, thats the loosrs way, rm -rf /boot is much more intruiging :) Aug 09 22:43:46 wow, what an idiot Aug 09 22:43:55 millertech: ...I was young back then... Aug 09 22:43:59 younger. Aug 09 22:44:02 yeah. Aug 09 22:44:07 no no, the twitter guy Aug 09 22:44:10 Ohhh...haha Aug 09 22:44:32 halfhalo-work: I ran that on my Mac OS... Aug 09 22:44:45 should have seen the chan log on that one...when I told EVERYone that I did that Aug 09 22:44:55 ...the OS ran fine....until I tried rebooting. Aug 09 22:45:40 I ran rm -rf / once, it ran until it deleted the rm binary Aug 09 22:45:44 this was quite a while ago Aug 09 22:46:07 Whew!...at least I'm not the only sucker... Aug 09 22:46:19 I was holding that in for years! Aug 09 22:47:25 I mean, I knew what I was doing :) Aug 09 22:47:32 damn it. Aug 09 22:47:35 -.- Aug 09 22:47:39 I just wanted to see what it looked like Aug 09 22:47:45 and I was formatting anyway Aug 09 22:49:05 so millertech you just membooted and from preware uninstalled the kernel? Aug 09 22:49:12 yup Aug 09 22:49:33 Right. On. Aug 09 22:49:57