**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 11 02:59:56 2011 Aug 11 03:25:49 cryptk, hope everything thing is all right with you Aug 11 03:26:02 PuffTheMagic, it is now Aug 11 03:26:07 lungs are fluid free ;) Aug 11 03:26:17 but I am gonna be on meds for the next 2 weeks Aug 11 03:26:25 at least I am at home Aug 11 03:58:41 crap, totally messed up my Saved Package List earlier Aug 11 03:58:52 didn't save it :-/ Aug 11 04:06:17 summatusmentis: good thing your nightly save/restore run still has yesterday's copy Aug 11 04:10:00 I did properly save/restore Aug 11 04:10:18 I didn't realize the "update" button meant "save my package list" Aug 11 04:10:47 so just restore the saved copy again Aug 11 04:13:28 my wife successfully is using save/restore now...learned it all by herself. Aug 11 04:31:31 ka6sox, do you have a solution for getting the "xapps" listed in Xecutah after they're installed? Aug 11 04:32:46 flare576, ya, I do...but not implemented yet Aug 11 04:33:00 current one is a hack...don't wanna publish that. Aug 11 04:33:25 flare576, do you have the SDK? Aug 11 04:34:19 ka6sox, no, I should really get that, but all of the stuff I've been playing with has actually been on the TP itself :) lol Aug 11 04:35:06 ya, and for that its Tide.... Aug 11 04:35:11 I'll tell you what I was thinking, in case it sparks an idea: shared DB table; when an xapp gets installed, it inserts a row into the table, and Xecutah reads from that table to populate its list. Aug 11 04:35:52 not sure if cross-app tables are allowed or not, but since there's synergy, I figured there had to be some allowances. Aug 11 04:35:55 that doesn't prevent rogue apps from raising havoc. Aug 11 04:36:43 no, I suppose not... but wouldn't it have to have been manually downloaded to write into that table? Aug 11 04:37:12 ya, in reality it could be done that way. Aug 11 04:37:22 but apps would need to "register" themselves? Aug 11 04:38:03 the table write would really be the "registration" for xecutah to recognize them Aug 11 04:38:49 I don't know how to "share" db's Aug 11 04:38:57 I know it must be able to happen. Aug 11 04:39:33 nor do I, but yeah, it's gotta be possible. Aug 11 04:40:02 Mr. rwhitby, do you have any insight into this potential madness? Aug 11 04:40:41 I think he has only heard bits and pieces of this.... Aug 11 04:40:58 its gonna take a few more tweaks to make it work right. Aug 11 04:42:13 I'm sure; I'm just trying to get my hands dirty with SOMETHING related to this stuff every night, even if it's only 30min/1 hour of screwing around in chroot Aug 11 04:43:15 install the sdk.. Aug 11 04:43:23 Wow... Eclipse loaded... took 5 minutes and I thought it was dead, but it loaded Aug 11 04:43:24 install git. Aug 11 04:44:00 then clone xecutah and xterm and start lookign there. Aug 11 04:44:12 that is how I'm learning it. Aug 11 04:44:19 ka6sox, making time to get on my PC isn't quite as easy as the TouchPad unfortunately, but I'll get that done this weekend if I can Aug 11 04:45:18 I tried to wade through the xecutah code to see if I could figure out how it calls the other apps... I think I understand how it works. I still can't figure out how to make the chroot shell script do something like start LXDE automatically, though Aug 11 04:45:33 okay install git on the tp :D Aug 11 04:46:01 there isn't a script called startLXDE? Aug 11 04:46:35 that's what I call once chroot is loaded Aug 11 04:47:06 but I can't figure out how to actually write it into the app to do it automatically. Aug 11 04:47:52 git is now installed inside the ubuntu-chroot :) Aug 11 04:48:41 sweet. Aug 11 04:48:56 get the latest xserver too. Aug 11 04:49:07 that will help as more keys are available. Aug 11 04:49:46 I saw a screen shot with more keys... but I don't know how to actually see them Aug 11 04:50:26 ya, I don't use the OSK...BT Keyboard when I'm doing Dev. Aug 11 04:50:57 same... is it a key combination do use them? Better question... where's the documentation? Aug 11 04:51:22 the xserver doesn't have doco Aug 11 04:51:47 its kind of like a background support thing Aug 11 04:52:19 well that makes me a sad panda... when I bring up the on-screen, it doesn't have the new keys, and I don't know the shortcuts... Aug 11 04:52:27 I must be doing something wrong.... Aug 11 04:52:44 interesting...I saw it earlier. Aug 11 04:52:55 flare576: nah it supports more of the existing vkb stuff is what the latest update does Aug 11 04:52:55 but like I say...I don't use it. Aug 11 04:52:59 for example, uh, shift. Aug 11 04:53:12 flare576: is the screenie you're talking about http://imgur.com/0LyhK ? Aug 11 04:53:14 doc? Aug 11 04:53:17 doco Aug 11 04:53:29 if so, that was just matchbox-keyboard running as an X app Aug 11 04:53:37 which should still work just fine, we just don't do that for people atm. Aug 11 04:54:57 hmmm Aug 11 04:55:10 atm the touchpad's keyboard support has no hidden/special key combinations Aug 11 04:55:24 so there is no support for control, etc, since those keys don't exist on the device. Aug 11 04:55:40 and 'esc' doesn't work on the bluetooth keyboards b/c luna eats the esc event and the xserver never sees it. Aug 11 04:56:10 gotcha... so, quick question then; how do you get so much screen real estate? is there a secret to making xserver not reserve space for the OSK? Aug 11 04:56:59 flare576: i can send you a special xsdl binary that doens't do so, but atm there's no way to do this in the testing release. Aug 11 04:57:46 this _is_ in the testing feed for a reason, bear with me/us on these things :). got some polishing to do, and some features to add ^.^ Aug 11 04:58:08 Oh jeeze, don't take this as being pissed! :P Aug 11 04:58:35 dtzWill, I don't know what "xsdl" means... so you probably shouldn't send it to me lol Aug 11 04:58:56 flare576: agreed, and I hope to tackle that kind of thing this coming weekend, but no promises :) Aug 11 04:59:25 flare576: unfortunately AFAIK there's no way for me to detect if there is a bluetooth keyboard attached, so gonna have to hash out how to make it play nice. Aug 11 04:59:46 dtzWill, they are dbus events Aug 11 04:59:52 but i aim to make the keyboard dismissable (and summonable) and dynamically resize the x session to accomodate that Aug 11 04:59:58 when it attaches there is an event generated. Aug 11 05:00:06 (and notification on connection) Aug 11 05:00:20 unfortunately i don't think there's a good way to see the size of the vkb either, which is unfortunate. Aug 11 05:00:44 ka6sox: oh really? well yay for being wrong. what kind of event/notification? Aug 11 05:01:32 when the keyboard attaches I see a "notification" across the top of the screen. Aug 11 05:01:50 but is that accessible to PDK/SDL Aug 11 05:01:51 kind of like when you attach the USB cables. Aug 11 05:02:03 and it has to generate some sort of event; when I do NOT have it attached, and I'm in a text field, and then attach it, the OSK goes away Aug 11 05:02:21 rwhitby, unknown... Aug 11 05:02:33 have to look @ what is being sent. Aug 11 05:02:35 flare576: right, but what if it's already attache when you start X? etc Aug 11 05:02:43 the apps must need to know about it... Aug 11 05:02:51 ah, current state you mean... Aug 11 05:02:53 but yeah maybe we can find some hack to query the bluetooth system etc Aug 11 05:02:55 or maybe Luna eats that too. Aug 11 05:03:05 Luna is a pig. Aug 11 05:04:14 ka6sox, rwhitby: there's an open ticket for how to determine if the OSK is active (in particular if the bluetooth keyboard is attached) Aug 11 05:04:25 so i'd imagine if it was a standard thing someone'd told me by now :( Aug 11 05:05:11 I have not looked @ what happens...I just see the notifications Aug 11 05:05:52 and when I asked earlier about event detection and notifications I saw a reference to dbus activity causing that. Aug 11 05:06:06 agreed, we just gotta take that information to something the x server can use Aug 11 05:06:18 make a keyboard-status service that listens and keeps track of that state ;) Aug 11 05:08:02 ka6sox, I'll install the SDK tomorrow I think. Eclipse on the touchpad is mind blowing, but holy cats do I miss having a mouse. Aug 11 05:08:27 flare576, and the mouse is specifically DISABLED in the TP kernel. Aug 11 05:09:07 I wonder why... have you guys tried flipping that on and pairing a BT mouse to see what happens? Aug 11 05:09:20 hee hee Aug 11 05:09:22 http://cheezburger.com/View/5074902016 Aug 11 05:09:45 lol! ... *ouch* Aug 11 05:09:59 man server rooms can be ugly Aug 11 05:10:38 and [hot|freezing] Aug 11 05:11:05 true Aug 11 05:11:06 yah i have two, one warm one cold ;] Aug 11 05:11:33 i entered my cold one in a contest Aug 11 05:12:12 you could do the old sauna->pool transition, but with server rooms! Aug 11 05:12:52 haha, not quiet, but the warm one does have extra blowers, so you can hop out of the shower and dry off in the lab Aug 11 05:13:33 Palms docs for installing the SDK on Ubuntu Linux don't include natty... Aug 11 05:14:13 hey you guys wanna vote for my lab? Aug 11 05:17:40 heh, I read the rest of the instructions for SDK on Ubuntu.... I'm not going to run a device with Linux->WebOS->Linux->Virtual Box->WebOS Aug 11 05:19:30 goodnight all, I salute you o7 Aug 11 06:36:04 Robi_, what lab is that? Aug 11 11:19:21 hello all Aug 11 11:20:09 morning Aug 11 11:21:31 who know about switching profile with Impostah ????? Aug 11 11:21:55 Not I Aug 11 11:22:26 ok thanks Aug 11 11:23:05 but wait for a bit and someone may be able to help you. Aug 11 11:25:14 ok , but no one is online now :( Aug 11 11:25:36 what timezone are you in? Aug 11 11:27:29 UTC/GMT +1 hour Aug 11 11:27:47 13:25 PM Aug 11 11:28:01 okay... Aug 11 11:28:26 in us it is between 04:25 and 07:35 so east coast should be up soon. Aug 11 11:29:25 ok i understood . The secrets of Impostah ... Aug 11 12:08:46 guys , who know how to use Impostah for login with another Profile ? Aug 11 12:08:51 thank you Aug 11 12:29:37 so what happens if you update to the latest Uberkernel, then rather than letting the frankenpre2 reboot normally, you shut down, replace the battery with one with a full charge, and then reboot? Aug 11 12:32:54 Guinness, nothing different will happen Aug 11 12:33:06 the pre just needs to reboot after a new kernel install, it doesn't matter how Aug 11 12:33:12 I ask because in my case the phone just keeps rebooting with tiny linuxcommands scrolling by to fast and too small to read... Aug 11 12:33:32 sounds like your phone is not happy with the kernel Aug 11 12:33:37 are you sure you installed UberKernel? Aug 11 12:33:43 yeah Aug 11 12:33:51 I don't remember that one doing console on bootup Aug 11 12:34:29 already did a while back, then just saw updates for that and for Govnah in Preware this morning, so I installed both updates Aug 11 12:35:25 I believe I have the kernel test feed enabled, though Aug 11 12:35:31 lemme isntall it and give it a whirl Aug 11 12:35:43 cool thanks Aug 11 12:36:45 looks like it does do console on bootup now Aug 11 12:36:57 but it boots up all the way on mine Aug 11 12:37:04 well, luna is starting now at least Aug 11 12:37:34 so yours does the console, then reboots again to the static logo then console again? Aug 11 12:38:05 yeah, it seems to get to different phases after reboots Aug 11 12:38:20 that's pretty odd for UberKernel to not boot... it's default settings are pretty much the exact same as the stock kernel, by design Aug 11 12:38:43 do you know how to memboot? Aug 11 12:38:58 I've seen the little hp logo at least once after the terminal screen, but then it reboots, shows the internals logo again and then terminal again Aug 11 12:39:17 no Aug 11 12:39:43 what version of WebOS are you using? Aug 11 12:39:53 2.1.0 Aug 11 12:40:32 do you have novacom? Aug 11 12:40:59 and are you on windows or linux? Aug 11 12:41:21 I run WinXP, and believe I used WebOS QuickInstall to install novacom Aug 11 12:41:44 do you have a folder named \program files\palm\sdk\bin Aug 11 12:41:51 and is there a file in there named novacom Aug 11 12:42:46 no, I have C:\Program Files\Palm, Inc\novacom\x86 Aug 11 12:43:01 but in there is a file named novacom right? Aug 11 12:43:37 there are several with different extensions Aug 11 12:43:42 also in C:\Program Files\Palm, Inc\terminal Aug 11 12:44:11 novacom.jar Aug 11 12:44:24 is there one that is just novacom with no extension, or novacom.exe Aug 11 12:44:26 also .cat and .inf Aug 11 12:44:56 there's a novacomd.exe in the x86 dir Aug 11 12:45:50 ok, open a command line Aug 11 12:46:19 then run these commands Aug 11 12:46:31 should I connect the pre first? Aug 11 12:46:33 cd "C:\Program Files\Palm, Inc\novacom\x86" Aug 11 12:46:35 not yet Aug 11 12:46:44 run that cd line, then run this one Aug 11 12:46:50 novacomd.exe --help Aug 11 12:47:03 we need to find out if that is the right file or not... the d is throwing me off Aug 11 12:47:27 if the --help command gives you some output about the different options, then we should be good to go to memboot your pre Aug 11 12:48:06 yeah it gives me -b -t -c -e -s switch info Aug 11 12:48:38 it also says NOTE: Please use service panel or sc command to start Novacomd service! Aug 11 12:48:48 that's not it then Aug 11 12:49:00 run dir Aug 11 12:49:16 and look in there to see if there are any other novacom files Aug 11 12:49:32 it looks like you may have the novacom service, but not novacom Aug 11 12:49:40 it should be in the same folder as a file named novaterm Aug 11 12:50:35 oh damn it's in the parent dir Aug 11 12:50:59 ok Aug 11 12:51:06 so is it just novacom with no extension? Aug 11 12:51:17 or is it .exe? Aug 11 12:51:43 .exe - sorry if I'm slow. I keep getting interrupted Aug 11 12:51:47 np Aug 11 12:51:50 ok, run this Aug 11 12:51:54 novacom.exe --help Aug 11 12:52:02 it should also give you a bunch of options Aug 11 12:52:04 but different ones Aug 11 12:52:23 the first two should be for address and port Aug 11 12:52:26 if it's the right file Aug 11 12:52:57 yep it does Aug 11 12:53:46 great Aug 11 12:53:54 you know how to put the phone into recovery mode? Aug 11 12:54:13 volume up & power? Aug 11 12:55:44 pull battery, hold vol up, plug in USB, keep holding vol up until you see a USB logo Aug 11 12:56:15 err pull battery, hold vol up, put in battery, plug in usb Aug 11 12:56:28 wait until you see the USB logo, then you can let go of vol up Aug 11 12:57:01 yeah that worked, but now winxp is looking for an omap360 driver Aug 11 12:57:16 that's fine Aug 11 12:57:19 ignore the driver thing Aug 11 12:57:35 ok, so phone is in recovery mode, and you still have that terminal open right? Aug 11 12:57:43 yep Aug 11 12:57:55 download this file http://www.cryptkcoding.com/uImage-2.1.0-stock Aug 11 12:58:08 put it in the same folder as the novacom file Aug 11 12:58:19 makes the next command easier if it is in the same place Aug 11 12:58:46 after you have that file downloaded and in the same folder as the novacom file, run this command Aug 11 12:58:55 novacom boot mem:// < uImage-2.1.0-stock Aug 11 12:59:19 although that isn't really the stock kernel, it's our recovery kernel... which in theory should be identical Aug 11 12:59:41 after you run that command, you should see your phone start to boot Aug 11 12:59:53 it said unable to find device Aug 11 13:00:07 novacom -l Aug 11 13:00:24 does that return anything? Aug 11 13:00:33 no Aug 11 13:00:46 you know how to open up the services panel in control panel? Aug 11 13:00:55 yeah Aug 11 13:01:12 ok, go into the Services panel, find the novacom service, right click and restart it Aug 11 13:01:27 windows is weird, sometimes it doesn't pick up the device Aug 11 13:01:47 sometimes restarting the service fixes it, sometimes using a different USB port fixes it, sometimes you have to reboot your whole darn computer Aug 11 13:01:59 heh Aug 11 13:02:26 didn't work, I'll try a diff port Aug 11 13:02:43 if a different USB port doesn't do it, you may have to reboot the whole thing Aug 11 13:02:46 windows likes reboots Aug 11 13:03:01 it does whatever it can to make you give it reboots as often as possible Aug 11 13:04:10 ok that seems to have worked Aug 11 13:04:42 booting now but has terminal screen again Aug 11 13:04:51 ok, so novacom -l is showing a device? Aug 11 13:04:57 yeah Aug 11 13:05:00 ok Aug 11 13:05:08 and the boot command worked Aug 11 13:05:18 ok, lets see if it boots up Aug 11 13:06:27 seems to be hung on the terminal screen, but it's too damn small for me to read the last line Aug 11 13:06:52 hang on... mine won't boot on that kernel... Aug 11 13:07:31 lemme grab another one and test it before I have you boot it Aug 11 13:07:43 cool thanks Aug 11 13:08:06 oops, I know why Aug 11 13:08:19 I accidentally gave you the kernel for a Pre on 2.1.0... not a Pre2, lol Aug 11 13:08:24 put it back in recovery mode Aug 11 13:08:28 that'll do it Aug 11 13:08:37 haha yep Aug 11 13:08:50 good to see I'm not the only one with a problem with the latest UK on pre2 Aug 11 13:09:23 ok I'm back Aug 11 13:10:33 http://www.cryptkcoding.com/uImage-2.1.0-pre2-recovery Aug 11 13:10:36 grab that one Aug 11 13:10:39 and memboot it Aug 11 13:11:49 just remember, this is a one time kernel boot Aug 11 13:11:56 if you reboot, you are back on UK Aug 11 13:12:06 so while it is booted this time, go into preware and remove UK Aug 11 13:12:12 that will put you back to stock Aug 11 13:12:22 and then you will be safe to reboot Aug 11 13:12:48 membooting is basically a way to boot a kernel other than the one you have installed Aug 11 13:13:20 this seems to be working Aug 11 13:13:31 you saved me man Aug 11 13:14:20 my father died 2 days ago, and I have to go tell his 96 year old mother in the nursing home in an hour... really didn't have time for this phone crisis Aug 11 13:14:25 thank you! Aug 11 13:14:35 knowing how to memboot is pretty much a requirement for using homebrew kernels Aug 11 13:14:44 there is always a change they won't work right... even with UberKernel Aug 11 13:14:48 sorry to hear about your dad Aug 11 13:15:01 did you remove UK? Aug 11 13:15:06 yeah, and I knew of it and would have figured it out eventually... I needed fast help today Aug 11 13:15:14 it's still booting Aug 11 13:15:26 I know how to do the rest, though Aug 11 13:15:30 I am gonna leave UK installed for a while and see if I have issues Aug 11 13:15:50 it's possible that you guys have weak pre's... but UK should run at stock setting by default Aug 11 13:16:39 would it matter that I had configured and was running a custom profile in Govnah before this update? Aug 11 13:16:47 nope Aug 11 13:17:01 if UK fails to boot, it will boot the next time with no profile applied Aug 11 13:17:15 so even if you give it a profile that won't boot, you should only see at most one failed bootup Aug 11 13:17:27 then it will rety booting at stock settings Aug 11 13:18:30 well I wish I had time to help troubleshoot, but I obviously don't and won't for a while Aug 11 13:18:39 yeah it was the first time I've ever had UK issues. I usually run it stock because my pre2 is fast enough Aug 11 13:18:43 I will check back when I have some time, though Aug 11 13:18:54 thanks again for your help with this! Aug 11 13:19:24 and it was an NYC dev day pre2 so I wouldn't be surprised if it can't be pushed as hard Aug 11 13:19:51 I also have an issue with heavy disk activity causing it to reboot when I'm using the chroot Aug 11 13:25:54 just had a luna reboot when flicking a card Aug 11 13:25:59 looks like there are issues with UK Aug 11 13:26:09 I will let the appropriate people know when they come online Aug 11 14:07:54 hmmm... is it normal that starting org.webosinternals.govnah-compcache on webos 2 removes all apparent swap? Aug 11 14:41:44 well, looks like those insmods are the culprits... guess I can replace em with modprobes Aug 11 14:44:50 I wonder if that's a widespread bug Aug 11 14:45:47 if ever a govnah expert de-idles maybe you can tell me :) Aug 11 15:06:14 who works on the interface for preware? Aug 11 15:06:23 is oil still doing that? Aug 11 15:07:41 oil mostly Aug 11 15:07:47 I think Aug 11 15:08:18 alrighty, i'll bother him when he's around Aug 11 15:14:16 Hi Guys Aug 11 15:14:31 Is there a way to have an app start up right after boot? Aug 11 15:15:04 Say, I'd like to write something that looks like exibition Aug 11 15:15:19 mandark_: there might actually if you look at the activity manager and services Aug 11 15:15:29 there *may* be a "startup" trigger or something Aug 11 15:15:36 okay Aug 11 15:15:48 but if you want to go homebrew, there are ways for sure Aug 11 15:15:58 but I'm unfamiliar with them Aug 11 15:17:37 Doesn't look like there's a way of making it run in the start up Aug 11 15:18:01 I don't mind if I have to root the device to get the app running Aug 11 15:19:06 I'm just doing it for prototyping Aug 11 15:19:20 ah, in that case someone else probably knows Aug 11 15:19:26 modeswitcher does it I thnk Aug 11 15:19:53 modeswitcher? cool, I'll see if the source exits in Git repo Aug 11 15:27:33 there is a luna config Aug 11 15:27:40 that has a list of shit that starts automatically Aug 11 15:27:42 in /etc Aug 11 15:27:59 have your ipk postinst patch that file Aug 11 15:28:15 Is there? Let me SSH Aug 11 15:29:51 Curses... sitting behind proxy at work, will have to try at home Aug 11 15:30:05 Checking the emulator... Aug 11 15:33:11 :/etc/palm/luna.conf looks interesting Aug 11 15:34:01 [LaunchAtBoot] Aug 11 15:34:04 FTW! Aug 11 15:34:13 Thanks PuffTheMagic Aug 11 15:38:18 Btw, what's the best way of tapping d-bus communications? Aug 11 15:39:23 I'd like to know reverse engineer the mobile hotspot app (failing that, I'd go back to using tethered ) Aug 11 15:44:45 tetherd? Aug 11 15:44:51 you mean freeTether? Aug 11 15:45:07 freeTether FTW! Aug 11 15:45:42 mandark_: do you think you are going to make better tether app? Aug 11 15:46:22 * PatrickC is lost Aug 11 15:46:29 Nope Aug 11 15:46:37 better then freeTether? you hit a button and, BAM, you are tethering Aug 11 15:46:41 I'm not making a tethered app Aug 11 15:46:52 so what exactly is your goal? Aug 11 15:46:54 I just want to programatically turn it on Aug 11 15:47:06 its not that simple Aug 11 15:47:14 which is why i made freeTether Aug 11 15:48:35 What about the built in one? Surely it has a daemon running somewhere? Aug 11 15:49:03 what about it, the daemon has no settings Aug 11 15:49:17 so you would have to configure it your self Aug 11 15:49:24 which is what an app is for Aug 11 15:49:34 its not like there is just an on off switch Aug 11 15:49:50 and it magically works Aug 11 15:50:01 Okay Aug 11 15:50:14 Sorry, i was viewing things a bit simplistically Aug 11 15:50:17 why dont you be more specific in explaining what you want Aug 11 15:50:34 i could prob add launch args to freeTether Aug 11 15:50:43 so another app could control it Aug 11 15:51:24 Okay, I'm prototyping a simple multifunctional device concept Aug 11 15:52:38 And I'm writing a small GUI to show it off Aug 11 15:53:01 One thing I'd like to do is have the device act as a mifi Aug 11 15:53:57 If you add launch args, it would still show the GUI, wouldn't it? Aug 11 15:54:17 Maybe also add a -nogui option? Aug 11 15:54:21 correct, i have not yet added headless mode Aug 11 15:54:36 I could hack up the code for you and you can merge it? Aug 11 15:54:37 and even if i did that, it would still have to keep an icon i the notification area Aug 11 15:54:49 I'm literally 1.5 days old in webOS world Aug 11 15:55:04 But looks like a hackable OS :D Aug 11 15:55:16 well you have your work cut out for you Aug 11 15:55:57 hi can you use the Foundations.Futures in an enyo application? Aug 11 15:56:30 The other question is, I see that you are using luna_xxx methods... is it because your app predates PDK? Aug 11 15:58:00 PDK is for making games or plugins, freeTether uses a C service which uses an undocumented, unofficial, reverse engineered api Aug 11 15:58:14 okay Aug 11 15:58:56 I assume it works fine in webOS 2.2? I' using a HP Veer for my prototyping Aug 11 16:00:02 ehhh, actually, freeTether works pretty poorly on the veer for some reason, lots of complaints about it, but I have no veer to do dev testing on so i havent fixed it yet Aug 11 16:00:14 i've only tested on pixi, pre-,pre+,pre2 Aug 11 16:00:21 okay Aug 11 16:00:34 Maybe I can help in that case :) Aug 11 16:01:28 Interestingly, palm seems to have shipped the code for almost al of the apps on device, so you can see what service calls they are making, apart from the mobile hotspot app :-/ Aug 11 16:02:28 yup. their cool like that. Aug 11 16:02:54 we know all the calls they use, the problem with the mobile hotspot app is it does not work on all carriers and it does some voodoo that allows carriers to track usage Aug 11 16:03:53 Ahh, okay Aug 11 16:04:53 there are prob some thing we dont know about that the official app can do, but we know most of it Aug 11 16:05:03 you also dont need to use any of the services Aug 11 16:05:09 So, how do you generally go about knowing what the calls are? Aug 11 16:05:27 so you even need to stay in webos/luna for what you are doing? Aug 11 16:05:34 When you don't have the javascript code that is Aug 11 16:06:17 introspecting dbus Aug 11 16:06:54 To be honest, I don't need to stay inside webOS/luna... could do it in any platfrom, but the form factor of Veer is interesting Aug 11 16:07:08 And it's linux at the end of the day Aug 11 16:07:12 right Aug 11 16:07:16 so if u dont need to use the phone Aug 11 16:07:23 u could just treat it as a linux box Aug 11 16:07:25 and install X11 Aug 11 16:07:37 and use qt or evas or anything to roll your own gui Aug 11 16:07:47 then u just need to use nat and dnsmasq Aug 11 16:07:56 to turn your phone into a AP Aug 11 16:08:05 and load the ap kmod Aug 11 16:08:09 Lol, yes, but I'd like to get something up and running in the next couple of weeks Aug 11 16:08:33 well its dead easy to install an ubuntu chroot Aug 11 16:08:36 And, just the hotspot isn't the only thing I'm thinking of Aug 11 16:09:09 I'd like to be able to make and receive calls and messages using the phone from another tablet/laptop Aug 11 16:09:26 I've done it on platforms like Symbian Aug 11 16:09:39 Time to do it on a different platform Aug 11 16:09:48 so you are trying to reimplement what hp/palm webos already does Aug 11 16:09:53 yes Aug 11 16:10:02 why? Aug 11 16:10:25 Cause this should not be limited to HP platrorms only? Aug 11 16:11:18 its not Aug 11 16:11:26 you can make calls via bt connection Aug 11 16:11:28 from any device Aug 11 16:11:31 technically Aug 11 16:11:42 using the same api that cars can make calls Aug 11 16:11:50 Yes, but messages? Aug 11 16:12:05 also over bluetooth Aug 11 16:12:09 if u have a new enough device Aug 11 16:12:11 like the veer Aug 11 16:12:46 But the messaging API is undocumented? Aug 11 16:13:25