**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 12 02:59:59 2011 Aug 12 03:09:16 hi Aug 12 03:09:25 hey Aug 12 03:10:11 does anyone know anything about the licensing terms for enyo? Aug 12 03:10:22 I guess I should grab the dev kit Aug 12 03:11:27 enyo is not licensed Aug 12 03:11:39 and #webos for dev-related talk please :) Aug 12 03:12:22 PatrickC: what do you mean not licensed? not restrictively licensed? Aug 12 03:12:37 it cannot be distributed Aug 12 03:12:47 it is for use on webOS only at this time Aug 12 03:12:52 ah ok Aug 12 03:13:59 PatrickC: when they talk of it running on a PC, what do you imagine their plans are there? Aug 12 03:14:12 drobbins: no clue Aug 12 03:14:54 are there any special things to note regarding homebrew stuff and enyo? Aug 12 03:15:11 drobbins: depends on what you want to do Aug 12 03:15:22 you cannot legally distribute part/all of enyo Aug 12 03:15:39 so it is basically a proprietary API based on open standards. Aug 12 03:16:12 I believe Aug 12 03:22:49 drobbins, i believe they are gonna have luna run as an application on your desktop Aug 12 03:23:02 i dont think they plan on it replacing kde/gnome Aug 12 03:24:14 PuffTheMagic: so probably integrated into windows, mac and linux Aug 12 03:24:20 PuffTheMagic: maybe something like adobe air? Aug 12 03:26:23 PuffTheMagic: later in the month, I should have time to start rolling up a funtoo chroot for armv7 Aug 12 03:33:17 ya probably something like that Aug 12 03:33:36 but once they do start making i686 releases we can turn it into more Aug 12 03:35:46 yep, like dedicated luna platforms, would be nice Aug 12 03:37:06 i think webos would be nice installed on my eee Aug 12 03:53:51 PuffTheMagic, do you need me to test anything for Freetether for use between 2.x devices and the TP? Aug 12 03:54:25 nop Aug 12 03:54:26 e Aug 12 03:54:37 nothing to test Aug 12 03:54:45 there is no way to initiate a pan connection from webos Aug 12 03:56:39 Shame I cant tether to my TP with my Pre2 o.O Aug 12 03:56:44 Oh well, wifi will do Aug 12 03:59:05 wait, freeTether doesn't work with the tp? Aug 12 04:06:04 extremely slow for my Sprint PRe2 to TP setup Aug 12 04:06:15 seems to only be pre2's Aug 12 04:06:23 :/ Aug 12 04:11:17 Abyssul, oh im sorry Aug 12 04:11:21 you can Aug 12 04:11:23 with wifi Aug 12 04:11:28 not bluetooth Aug 12 04:11:37 i miss read your question Aug 12 04:12:07 unless you were talking about bt Aug 12 05:28:38 Hello Aug 12 05:28:50 I have with me a brand new HP touchpad. Just got into it as root using it's "access to linux" option. I would like to see if I can get Android rolling on this thing. Can anyone point me in the right direction to start? Aug 12 05:30:07 uh, how about starting simple and getting ubuntu chroot going via the instructions existing on the wiki ;) Aug 12 05:30:25 I shall do that first. :) Aug 12 05:30:29 it might give you an idea how to do android (why would anyone get away from webos...) Aug 12 05:30:57 PuffTheMagic: do you know of any info on writing synergy storage plugins? Aug 12 05:30:59 dual boot for the apps- I love webs- but I want to dual boot for various reasons. Aug 12 05:31:46 PASHTON_: well the trick for the ubuntu chroot is that you can run an x server + ubuntu from a webos card Aug 12 05:31:51 dual boot without rebooting! Aug 12 05:32:33 PASHTON_: what devices have you ported Android to previously? Aug 12 05:32:42 Well I will test the waters with that and see! have tomorrow off so you will probably see me here a lot :D Aug 12 05:32:59 PASHTON_: what devices have you written kernel drivers for previously? Aug 12 05:33:23 rwhitby: None. I have experience with systems programming on linux and basic knowledge of OS's. Aug 12 05:33:51 PASHTON_: ok, the display driver for the Snapdragon will be your first hurdle Aug 12 05:34:59 are you familiar with the Code Aurora codebase? Aug 12 05:35:00 awhile back I stubbled upon a chinese forum where someone had booted android on the device... Aug 12 05:35:44 no- but sounds interesting. Aug 12 05:35:55 that was on the omap3430 pre, for which an android kernel existed Aug 12 05:36:33 ah that would make sense why I couldn't find anything on it. Aug 12 05:42:21 hmm I thought HTC had a couple of phones with the same CPU running android Aug 12 05:43:42 there are very few things using snapdragon at this point iirc Aug 12 05:44:40 yea just looked it up. there are a few out there. Aug 12 05:45:16 none on the exact chipset Aug 12 05:45:26 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_%28system_on_chip%29 Aug 12 05:50:31 thanks. Aug 12 05:51:31 the only difference I see between the HP vs the Sensation processors is cellular network connectivity Aug 12 05:53:06 good luck Aug 12 05:53:42 thanks I will need it :D Aug 12 06:59:05 Is there a good guide somewhere on WebOS Doctor - reversed engineered that is- I am thinking of tweaking the code a bit for my experiments to load custom ROM's with Android kernel. Aug 12 07:00:06 PASHTON_: you're aware of the meta-doctor? Aug 12 07:00:47 No. very new on the scene. I am going to take a look right now. Aug 12 07:01:54 http://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor/ Aug 12 07:02:02 Thanks. Aug 12 07:02:03 I'm the developer. Aug 12 07:02:07 cool :D Aug 12 07:18:20 anyone here? or is everyone afk? Aug 12 07:18:32 no-one here but us chickens Aug 12 07:19:04 the man, the legend, the myth... mister whitby... Aug 12 07:19:38 i would like to clean out my vzw pre+ - scrap all patches, apps, everything Aug 12 07:20:36 i have tried numerous times using various workflows... no dice... Aug 12 07:22:26 juno, have you tried doctoring it? Aug 12 07:22:31 i'm currently running 1.4.5.1 on my activated pre+ and off top of my head not sure for my bypassed pre Aug 12 07:22:32 that will clean it out Aug 12 07:22:43 yes i've tried with all three doctors i have Aug 12 07:23:16 patches will not persist across a doctor Aug 12 07:23:28 the apps will be restored from your Palm Profile Aug 12 07:23:45 kills all apps - but some patches and theme settings remain... even to the point that my carrier string is red and the time is blue, date is green. Aug 12 07:24:02 patches will not persist across a doctor Aug 12 07:24:06 there is something else going on there Aug 12 07:24:31 hmmmm Aug 12 07:25:08 how much is the service for me to send you my pre's, you go buck wild and send em back :p Aug 12 07:25:45 i suppose i will dl a fresh vzw doctor Aug 12 07:29:34 would there be something in my doctors that would leave some patch attributes alone? Aug 12 07:30:02 what do you mean by "your" doctors as opposed to "the" doctor for your device? Aug 12 07:32:07 i have the vzw 1.4.5 bypass doctor from xxrake, the official 1.4.5 doctor and the p101 doctor Aug 12 07:32:34 have no idea about the first and third Aug 12 07:33:50 the bypass from xxrake is a 3/2011 doctor and the p101 is a 12/2010 doctor Aug 12 07:34:10 when you use doctors that you didn't create yourself you open yourself up to anything Aug 12 07:34:36 I hope you don't do any banking on that device Aug 12 07:34:36 i could give you the urls for each but they are saved on my work Mac Aug 12 07:34:47 believe me, I do not want the urls for them. Aug 12 07:34:50 never do any banking online Aug 12 07:34:53 ever Aug 12 07:36:50 doesn't matter, really... too much stuff is tied to an email address Aug 12 07:37:42 rwhitby: what did you code that tool in? Aug 12 07:37:54 PASHTON_: it's a Makefile Aug 12 07:38:08 ah cool Aug 12 07:38:09 a glorified shell script Aug 12 09:35:42 Anyone able to help me out with installing the PreWare app on my HP TouchPad Aug 12 09:36:24 It seems everytime I try to install the app through WebOS Quick Installer it says File Transfer Failed Aug 12 09:44:08 its a conspiracy! Aug 12 09:45:11 anyone have any idea's as to what the issue is? Aug 12 09:45:50 are you a webos developer? Aug 12 09:54:32 morning Aug 12 11:58:39 webos-internal ad: http://www.netzherpes.de/blog/index.php?entry=entry110812-133124 Aug 12 12:00:06 masterhit, dogs licking their testicals? perfect metaphor. Aug 12 12:00:21 :D Aug 12 12:22:10 So I have a Pre+ that I have network unlocked, and calls, wifi and the app store work. 3G data does not. Is there anything that I can fix beyond just the access point URL and the username/password ? Aug 12 13:17:48 What's the easiest way of getting dbus-util on my Veer? Aug 12 13:39:03 hangfire: Is it something like a pre+ from europe used in america or vice versa? Aug 12 16:46:16 Quick question, I added a "PS1=" line to org.webosinternals.xterm/xecutah.sh in order to change the prompt, but it doesn't seem to be taking effect... anyone know when the PS1 environment variable is set when running xterm/xserver through xecutah? Aug 12 18:43:53 does preware send any headers that make it identifiable when it curls a feed or package? like "Server: Preware" or similar. Aug 12 19:06:05 should be something like User-Agent: Preware Aug 12 19:13:24 * dtzWill is having fun looking for best plan for data-less veer Aug 12 19:17:15 I found a place where phone wasn't replaced with device in Preware Aug 12 19:17:31 has anyone here tried custom kernels yet? Aug 12 19:19:21 In the popup for "Restart your phone for the changes to take effect" or something like that after I installed uberkernel on my TouchPad Aug 12 19:36:50 haha Aug 12 19:44:04 dwc-: thanks Aug 12 19:47:22 hey omastudios Aug 12 19:47:28 gemini file mgr? Aug 12 20:08:11 it's oil's fault Aug 12 20:09:08 Mousey: that's over.. Aug 12 20:09:18 oh Aug 12 20:09:19 r0dent! Aug 12 20:09:22 * Mousey waves Aug 12 20:09:29 hey tom Aug 12 20:09:35 i'm still stuck on sprint! Aug 12 20:09:36 heya...how goes? Aug 12 20:09:38 * Mousey cries Aug 12 20:09:41 sorry. Aug 12 20:09:53 Mousey, did you see the dates are changed for SCALE? Aug 12 20:09:55 good. good. i can't tether, but i'm gonna resurrect the NWN server Aug 12 20:09:58 no?! Aug 12 20:10:02 * Mousey starts googling Aug 12 20:10:10 i AM coming to 10x Aug 12 20:13:48 I'll hold you to that.... Aug 12 20:15:42 DO THAT Aug 12 20:16:44 Mousey, love the TP here.... Aug 12 20:18:12 TP? Aug 12 20:19:55 TouchPad Aug 12 20:20:46 ok second time's the charm, I'm sure that the uberkernel for the pre2 does _not_ work for me.. Aug 12 20:21:00 does it work for others? Aug 12 20:21:31 ajay_, doesnt' for me either Aug 12 20:22:44 ka6sox: ok good to know.. Aug 12 20:26:20 yeah, made me doctor Aug 12 20:26:52 didn't bother me..I was gonna doctor it anyways. Aug 12 20:26:59 needed to test out tailor Aug 12 20:27:45 i need to doctor too, media perm bugs, gCal bugs.. maybe those wont go away tho.. hrmm.. Aug 12 21:37:57 What's the easiest way of getting dbus-util on my Veer? Aug 12 21:44:57 mandark_, dbus introspection on webos devices is explained on the wiki Aug 12 21:45:48 Hey PuffTheMagic. How's things? Aug 12 21:48:27 tide, just gave a big talk that i'v been stressing over all week Aug 12 21:48:40 PuffTheMagic: I tracked down the mobile hotspot call to interfaceAdd service call Aug 12 21:48:51 you didnt really need to track it down its in our code Aug 12 21:49:03 Too bad it didn't turn on anything, even though the call succddeded Aug 12 21:49:04 you are doing everything we have already done Aug 12 21:49:16 Thought so :D Aug 12 21:49:32 I'm just double checking Aug 12 21:49:42 Lol Aug 12 21:53:04 PuffTheMagic: iwpriv doesn't show any private ioctl... reckon it's because of security restrictions on my Veer? Aug 12 21:56:38 mandark_, i can't speak anything about the veer cause I dont have one, but if you have any questions just consult our code Aug 12 21:57:11 k Aug 12 22:09:28 Hi, is the SIP Phine poject dead or is somebody still working on it? Aug 12 22:26:13 hape: i'm wondering the same! Aug 12 22:29:07 could probably create a sip synergy provider and integrate it into the existing dialer like skype does Aug 12 22:41:50 Hmm Aug 12 22:42:35 I wonder what convert.exe /FS:NTFS F: would do to the Pre's USB partition... :) Aug 12 22:42:58 break things Aug 12 22:43:04 its all predicated on vfat. Aug 12 22:43:18 and all the tools are setup for vfat Aug 12 22:43:43 and the next OTA you couldnt' guarantee that it wouldnt' nuke/pave :D Aug 12 22:43:48 ha Aug 12 22:43:53 as if I'm ever getting OTA ever again Aug 12 22:44:07 twbbas: what language is your device? Aug 12 22:44:18 Muhb, even wifi devices can get OTA... Aug 12 22:44:41 If anybody at HPalm is paying attention to their logs, they'd probably laugh. I've gone from 1.40.50 to 9.9.9 back to 1.40.50 to having no device at all back to 9.9.9 Aug 12 22:45:19 Muhb, if you knew the number of times mine has done something similar.... Aug 12 22:45:21 OTA would break what I've got going on. Unless they do something awesome I don't think I plan on upgrading... I'd rather just get the pre 3 Aug 12 22:45:29 haha Aug 12 22:45:56 twbbas: I suspect the 'phone' you are seeing is in the translations file for your language. Aug 12 22:45:58 I am sure they are totally confused with mine...as I've mixed and matched thigns. Aug 12 22:46:06 It's been so frustrating, there are times I thought I was pretty close to fooling the system into recognizing my franken2.1.0 status Aug 12 22:46:13 but nope Aug 12 22:46:22 at least I get 1.4.5 apps Aug 12 22:46:27 glad that is working Aug 12 22:47:12 But regarding NTFS... I'm thinking about trying to get ntfs-3g on the pre+... if I could do that, MAYBE it's just a matter of changing the fstab? Aug 12 22:47:23 so that when it remounts to /media/internal, it knows to do it as ntfs...? Aug 12 22:47:52 Muhb: note that USB mode is done by Qualcomm SoC functionality, not by Linux. Aug 12 22:49:29 PuffTheMagic: I'm glad to say that I just managed to turn on mobilehotspot using luna-send :D Aug 12 22:49:47 Rod, what hindrances would that pose to my proposal, do you think? Aug 12 22:50:35 I'm not exactly sure what happens to /media/internal once it's unmounted, but if I'm lucky it may just let the remote OS (windows in this case) handle the reading of the drive, without attempting to do anything funky Aug 12 22:50:56 rwhitby: English Aug 12 22:51:07 what version? Aug 12 22:51:16 I'm more concerned about what happens when it's remounted to /media/internal... I hear it reconverts it to FAT32 at that point Aug 12 22:51:19 kiwi please Aug 12 22:52:03 rwhitby: What version of English? I guess it's United States Aug 12 22:52:42 what version of preware Aug 12 22:53:06 rwhitby: 1.7.0 Aug 12 22:53:27 ah, that's already fixed in 1.7.2 Aug 12 22:53:39 rwhitby: Ok. Was that in the testing feeds? Aug 12 22:53:46 it is Aug 12 22:53:49 what version of english haha Aug 12 22:53:51 I just doctored and hadn't set up my testing feeds yet Aug 12 22:54:11 I remembered seeing a mention of those being fixed somewhere so it must have been in the testing feed version's change log a few days ago Aug 13 00:39:36 !testing-feeds Aug 13 00:39:39 ~testing-feeds Aug 13 00:39:39 testing-feeds is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Aug 13 00:39:50 I see it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 13 02:59:57 2011