**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 21 02:59:57 2011 Aug 21 03:00:07 my question is about the distribution of preware with a ROM or other OS modification Aug 21 03:00:09 rwhitby: as far as the kernel or what do you mean? what copyrighted HP code would be needed to port android to a pre? Aug 21 03:00:28 trsohmers: the problem is distributing the 'rom' in the first place Aug 21 03:00:50 trsohmers: Preware is GPL, so a distribution that includes it in a flashable image should also be GPL. Aug 21 03:00:51 tmzt: I realize that, and I misworded that sentence and am trying to think of a better way to word it Aug 21 03:00:53 by definition, rom refers to a modified copyright work, at least as far as android builds for real hardware go, usually with sometihng like sense bolted on Aug 21 03:01:00 OK Aug 21 03:01:18 tmzt: The only ROMs I deal with are AOSP Aug 21 03:01:22 the question is if you could start with GPL kernel code Aug 21 03:01:46 trsohmers: built completely from source without distributing any binary components? for what device? Aug 21 03:01:49 trsohmers: AOSP is the right way to start. Unfortunately, the term "ROMs" has warez connotations due to the non-AOSP folks. Aug 21 03:02:02 like even in the android world, there are proprietary files that are necessary even for AOSP Aug 21 03:02:10 the rwhitby/internals approach avoids this issue by not distributing anything but scripts and patches to modify code Aug 21 03:02:33 rwhitby: I'm a AOSP only guy… I hate skins and like a pure experience which can be added on later… legally, of course. Aug 21 03:02:48 it's an open question I think if these constitute derivitive works, as some things like hashes of dvds have been shown to in the past Aug 21 03:03:31 trsohmers: what android device? I don't know of any that you could build a complete 'rom' for without distributing closed firmware, for instance Aug 21 03:03:33 I guess I will have to look more into creating scripts to be able to modify the same way you do Aug 21 03:03:44 which is why AOSP itself has a script to extract them from a device Aug 21 03:03:55 tmzt: Nexus devices, and the original Google Developer phones Aug 21 03:04:11 same deal, they don't have licenses for ril or the 3d drivers Aug 21 03:04:13 trsohmers: I would advise you to also screen carefully those who join your development team. You seem to have the right attitude, and you don't want other folks making you look bad. Aug 21 03:04:22 or the audio component on adp1 Aug 21 03:04:40 tmzt: I guess there is never a perfect system/phone Aug 21 03:04:55 even the openmoko phone had proprietary GPS drivers Aug 21 03:05:09 anybody know what phoronix is referring to as qualcomm opening gobi drivers? Aug 21 03:05:15 there's no reference in the story at all Aug 21 03:05:25 rwhitby: one of them did, but the gsm was also closed Aug 21 03:05:44 rwhitby: are you familiar with the progress of fso2 on pre? Aug 21 03:05:58 would that be a good place to start for a luna replacement stack if somebody worked on one? Aug 21 03:06:12 rwhitby: I think you guys have an amazing development community, and even though I come from a different background in the distribution of tools and such, I do respect your legal viewpoint. I would much rather work within the law and also work with you guys instead of against or parallel Aug 21 03:06:29 trsohmers: what are you working on? Aug 21 03:06:50 trsohmers: we will get along fine then :) Aug 21 03:06:52 tmzt: And you are about to say that it is going to be impossible to do it fully within the law because it is an Android ROM Aug 21 03:07:06 and something somewhere will contain proprietary components Aug 21 03:07:34 trsohmers: no, but I would leave the 'ROM' mentality behind entirely Aug 21 03:07:41 tmzt: fso2 doesn't comprehend the touchpad hardware Aug 21 03:08:05 CM for instance is an open codebase built on AOSP, it's not a ROM but people refer to it as such Aug 21 03:08:05 tmzt: What do you mean by 'ROM mentality' Aug 21 03:08:17 trsohmers: you would be advised to never use the word ROM again in your work. Aug 21 03:08:24 you can use the proprietary components if the person using them constructs the image themselves .. if the script downloads the doctor, rips it apart, inserts blobs into a different rootfs, that should be fine - as long as the end result is not re-distributed Aug 21 03:08:29 OAnd why is that? Aug 21 03:08:32 And* Aug 21 03:08:42 trsohmers: that it's okay to distribute an zip or nbh that runs out of the box on a piece of hardware, attach it to a post on xda and "support" it Aug 21 03:08:44 trsohmers: you are creating a freely redistributable flashable installation image. ROM means warez to most people. Aug 21 03:09:10 rwhitby: the radio hardware you mean? Aug 21 03:09:21 So if I assembled a kit of bash scripts that did the entire build locally on the users machine, that would most likely be OK? Aug 21 03:09:33 tmzt: wifi, graphics, touchscreen, etc etc Aug 21 03:09:41 trsohmers: yes Aug 21 03:09:44 OK Aug 21 03:09:51 rwhitby: right, but I mean the phone part of the fso stack Aug 21 03:09:51 I guess it will be a bit harder on my end Aug 21 03:10:11 which reversed the phone interface on pre and is a nearly complete open replacement Aug 21 03:10:13 trsohmers: but as soon as one of those users redistributes the result, you get tarred with that illegal brush unless you make a strong public stand against it. Aug 21 03:10:26 Which is what you did on Twitter today Aug 21 03:10:26 what gpu is touchpad based on? what soc? Aug 21 03:10:32 trsohmers: exactly Aug 21 03:10:44 it wasn't on the market long enough to get a good feel for it, unfortunately Aug 21 03:10:54 I guess a "README or die.txt" note saying that wouldn't cut it, haha Aug 21 03:11:25 trsohmers: so you are trying to port CM to a HP/Palm device? Aug 21 03:11:31 why does the doctor come into it? Aug 21 03:11:55 Hey, I was wondering if I could get some help with CHROOT Aug 21 03:12:02 just ask Aug 21 03:12:15 tmzt: Not CM, but pure AOSP Aug 21 03:12:18 first, you might want to lowercase it :) unix is case-sensitive Aug 21 03:12:33 trsohmers: I now must go. Good luck and stand firm. Aug 21 03:12:41 Thank you, rwhitby Aug 21 03:13:13 I have a distro of linux that was made to be CHROOTed on the Android platform and was wondering if it could be CHROOTed on the webOS platform Aug 21 03:13:14 trsohmers: same concept Aug 21 03:13:24 TrevorStarick: it should Aug 21 03:13:38 assuming it's for the right arm version Aug 21 03:13:43 yep Aug 21 03:13:47 ARMv7 Aug 21 03:13:49 and EABI or not (but most likely is) Aug 21 03:13:50 *sigh* I just saw a touchpad image get linked in #touchdroid Aug 21 03:13:58 anyone try meego for the pre? Aug 21 03:14:44 Would I just mount the .img file and then /usr/sbin/chroot to it Aug 21 03:15:07 trsohmers: if you manage #touchdroid you will want to set clear expectations in that channel too Aug 21 03:15:11 Because a couple of friends of mine wanted to see the rootfs and the webOS files… so I decided to send them the whole compiled build so when they got their touch pads they would be able to easily install preware, get testing feeds, ext3, etc Aug 21 03:15:32 rwhitby: Oy… Today has been my first day attempting to manage an IRC room Aug 21 03:15:40 I originally only expected to have 5 or 6 friends Aug 21 03:15:47 trsohmers: you should point them to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Aug 21 03:15:47 but then it hit 110 today Aug 21 03:15:56 trsohmers: where they can download it themselves Aug 21 03:16:01 I will Aug 21 03:16:09 hey I've never even seen a webos root fs because I don't have a legal license to it (no Palm webOS hardware) Aug 21 03:16:19 where was the hp pre2 being sold for 50 bucks? Aug 21 03:16:20 * rwhitby bbl Aug 21 03:16:24 I'm assuming that it would be OK to make a script to auto download and place all the files needed Aug 21 03:16:32 Abyssul: hp.com Aug 21 03:16:35 Yes Aug 21 03:17:41 I guess I hope I can find a 32gb touchpad, it won't be my primary tablet (assuming I get samsung 10.1 as well) so I won't care if it's not working, then I can focus on a compiz port to it Aug 21 03:20:06 Abyssul - shopping.hp.com > Smartphones > Smartphones without plans Aug 21 03:20:11 still showing out of stock Aug 21 03:21:02 with any luck the bean counters held back enough stock of phones and tablets to leave a pool of devices for devrel to distribute as they see fit Aug 21 03:23:24 I just want one for backup in case my pre2 breaks Aug 21 03:25:21 why did Palm use QSD in a tablet? Aug 21 03:25:25 is the veer also $49? Aug 21 03:25:30 or is it only the pre2? Aug 21 03:25:32 when i checked hp the prices were like 400 buvks Aug 21 03:25:35 after using omap3 on their phones Aug 21 03:25:43 veer shows $49 but unclear if with contract Aug 21 03:25:43 that's the problem here, I see Aug 21 03:27:07 this Richard guy ever show up in irc? we know they know the commnity exists Aug 21 03:27:10 here and #webos Aug 21 03:28:13 trsohmers: what chip is TP? Aug 21 03:28:31 oh wait sorry duh the phole page is for off contract phones so yes off contract .. but all show out of stock right now Aug 21 03:28:37 tmzt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_TouchPad Aug 21 03:28:40 whole page Aug 21 03:28:42 Qualcomm Snapdragon dual-CPU APQ8060 1.2 GHz Aug 21 03:29:09 I like msm, but I'm saddened they didn't go with omap4 for this Aug 21 03:29:18 tmzt: yeah - it is quite a shame Aug 21 03:29:19 omap4 is nice Aug 21 03:29:26 at the resolution I'm not sure the adreno can scale Aug 21 03:29:43 I kinda like the snapdragon Aug 21 03:29:44 and the closed nature of the ati chip is a pain, and has been on every msm devide I've tried to support Aug 21 03:29:51 also why I did androix as an app Aug 21 03:30:43 the really sad part is there could be an open ati driver, due to the similarities with radeon, but nobody with the skills to do it has put in the effort Aug 21 03:31:00 can anybody tell me the filename of the gpu driver on TP? Aug 21 03:31:14 and what interface it uses with the kernel, dri? Aug 21 03:31:31 i would assume you could use lsmod to find out Aug 21 03:31:36 the name at least Aug 21 03:31:44 Sorry guys, I lost this battle Aug 21 03:32:00 probably not, these things are usually userspace Aug 21 03:32:27 what happened trsohmers? Aug 21 03:32:29 my touchpad won't be here for another week or two so i'm no help.. will be exciting to see how much webos has change dsince 1.4 Aug 21 03:32:43 oh, it's changed. lots for the better Aug 21 03:32:46 okay, and they used snapdragon and don't even have wireless data??? Aug 21 03:32:47 which isn't saying a ton Aug 21 03:33:17 i had to rage quit webos after sprint gave me 6 bunk pres in the course of 2 months Aug 21 03:34:34 totally understandable Aug 21 03:34:37 you still on sprint? Aug 21 03:34:42 and do you still have the device? Aug 21 03:34:44 oh i see em now. they are all marked out of stock lame Aug 21 03:34:54 nah i got an evo and hated android so much i went to an iphone on verizon Aug 21 03:35:10 ah. cause the FrankenPre project is awesome Aug 21 03:35:27 which is basically a sprint pre board on a GSM pre2 Aug 21 03:35:36 oh wow it actually ended up becoming a reality Aug 21 03:35:49 oh ya dude Aug 21 03:35:53 I have it. I did my gf's Aug 21 03:35:59 gave webos new life for me Aug 21 03:36:02 at least on my phone Aug 21 03:37:44 i had to get off sprint the service is shit where i moved to (south dakota) Aug 21 03:37:48 verizon is pretty much your only option Aug 21 03:37:57 bleh. sucks Aug 21 03:37:58 and not signing on for 2 years for a pre 2 Aug 21 03:38:09 you can do the same with a Verizon Pre Plus board Aug 21 03:38:13 haha Aug 21 03:38:20 I actually thought about going to AT&T Aug 21 03:38:29 just so i can have the ability to switch phones like crazy Aug 21 03:38:34 * bnceo` is a phone hoarder I think Aug 21 03:39:16 My Pre2 is on sprint as we speak Aug 21 03:39:27 I thank Palm for the free Pre2 :) Aug 21 03:39:59 I think Palm and devday along with a very nice hp employee for some spare Pre2s Aug 21 03:40:01 on sprint you can switch phones for free fyi Aug 21 03:40:12 the only gotcha is if you're still SERO Aug 21 03:40:15 but it's more of a hassle Aug 21 03:40:22 like gotta call or go online Aug 21 03:40:25 i used to swap my centro and pre all the time Aug 21 03:40:26 I love the simcard thing Aug 21 03:40:56 and TIL about slickdeals.net Aug 21 03:40:57 I would use the Pre2 as my main phone, but if I need something small, put in the simcard and rock my Veer Aug 21 03:43:07 * Jack87 is still surprised that the TP is no where to be seen in utah Aug 21 03:58:02 SERO? Aug 21 03:58:55 Which phone should I replace my current phone with? Aug 21 04:02:26 Pre2 Aug 21 04:27:14 * Jack87 is still suffering with hp smb Aug 21 04:28:40 furthest i got so far is attempting to make an account before it gives me vb error. what more is there after creating the account? Aug 21 04:46:53 Jack87: buying it :p Aug 21 04:48:16 lol Aug 21 04:48:35 acydlord, ahh no i am as far as imputing billing address but keeps erroring out after Aug 21 04:48:40 im afraid i will ahve to start over again Aug 21 04:49:19 are their phone lines still down? Aug 21 04:49:59 now entering shipping Aug 21 04:50:01 i havent tried phones Aug 21 04:50:19 i am trying in incagnido like you said Aug 21 04:50:41 i get error and back and am able to get on second try in these later steps Aug 21 04:50:47 i hope it continues to work Aug 21 04:51:19 it stalls forever and scares the shit out of me. I swear its going to error with no recovery on the last step Aug 21 04:52:20 you're going to end up with like 30 of them in your cart lol Aug 21 04:54:54 They are out of stock... Aug 21 05:04:18 ~log Aug 21 05:04:18 i guess log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/ and the latest log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt Aug 21 05:05:55 funny then, touchpad sells out but at less than a reasonable price for a wifi-only device, but failed to sell (and sold to the wrong audience) at a much higher price Aug 21 05:16:19 god it keeps failing Aug 21 05:26:31 tmzt Aug 21 05:26:33 thats because Aug 21 05:26:36 no one cared about it Aug 21 05:26:37 lol Aug 21 05:28:28 every step forward is two steps back ahh Aug 21 05:34:42 I mean honestly, if you're going to price a device to compete with the ipad at the same price Aug 21 05:34:52 it better be on par or beyond what you're competing against Aug 21 05:39:52 can't be, iPad is priced as low as it can be for the base model Aug 21 05:40:01 Apple is competing on features and price Aug 21 05:40:23 would somebody from Palm someday tell us why they in house designed the Pre and Pixi and I assume TouchPad? Aug 21 05:40:32 versus contract them to HTC or the like Aug 21 05:48:31 I'm sorry for wasting people's time, but are there any still-valid leads for buying the TouchPad in Canada? Aug 21 06:05:33 wow... so webos is dying again? Aug 21 06:07:10 nn7, who said it was dying Aug 21 06:07:18 HP just said they aren't going to make the hardware anymore Aug 21 06:07:33 oh Aug 21 06:07:35 and they have stated several times that they are going to continue with the Software Aug 21 06:07:43 oh really? Aug 21 06:07:45 hmm... Aug 21 06:07:50 what else uses webos? Aug 21 06:07:50 and this falls perfectly in line with things they have said before, this was no surprise to me Aug 21 06:08:16 they stated earlier that they were exploring licensing options with partners that make devices that they don't Aug 21 06:08:17 it was no surprise to you that they developed a tablet and immediately liquidated their stock? Aug 21 06:08:33 this to me is a signal that there are companies that make phones and tablets that would like to license it Aug 21 06:08:48 and in order for HP to make that an easier opportunity they have stopped making them Aug 21 06:08:56 tablet was in development before hp purchased palm Aug 21 06:09:14 nn7, well, that part was a bit of a surprise, and the way they did it definitely was... but the fact that they have stopped making the hardware was not Aug 21 06:12:32 I see HP says they'll be putting it on PCs Aug 21 06:17:48 nn7, HP did buy that instant boot tech a while back... I could see webOS making a great instant boot option for their all in one touchscreen PC's Aug 21 06:24:16 bb is paying the difference back to their customers... but mine is from costco. :(... only thing i can do is return it Aug 21 06:24:28 which i cant do if i dont get my hands on a discounted device Aug 21 06:29:32 at least you have one that is yours Aug 21 06:30:18 NuttyBunny, do you have one Aug 21 06:31:15 Jack87: i read that hp is encouraging all retailers to give the refund back, so there may be hope Aug 21 06:31:19 loaner Aug 21 06:31:45 NuttyBunny: https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/105164319305633792 Aug 21 06:32:36 ah.. thanks!!! :D Aug 21 06:33:14 I'll pay for it, and the shipping, I just need to have one in case I have to return the other one Aug 21 06:33:16 lol someone quoted me :P Aug 21 06:34:33 Framework: couldn't let a comment like that go to waste ;) Aug 21 06:34:49 xD Aug 21 06:34:57 It is true, I'll be the first to admit Aug 21 06:35:08 timmy, Costco has its own policies so costco will give full refund but not the difference they are returning their stock to hp Aug 21 06:35:09 but I think android will be stealing it in its next revision :P Aug 21 06:35:30 rwhitby, are you interested on android being on the touchpad, or are you webos for life? Aug 21 06:35:30 :P Aug 21 06:36:18 Framework: I see operating systems as tools to achieve an end result, not a religion. Aug 21 06:37:00 hehe. Aug 21 06:37:16 Jack87: well try a best buy brick and mortar i guess? Aug 21 06:38:25 timmy, good call :) Aug 21 06:39:07 Jack87: since they decided to sell their inventory as of last night....but i would go early... Aug 21 06:39:32 timmy their all gone in utah Aug 21 06:39:36 i already tried Aug 21 06:40:11 i keep refreshing sites like amazon to see if they drop the price Aug 21 06:40:58 Jack87: best buy local stores were the only place i heard might have them now.... Aug 21 06:42:51 anyone know if it would be hard to port meego to a pre just for fun? Aug 21 06:46:49 rwhitby: question, does metadoctor create the line in fstab for mounting the ext3fs partition? I saw PatrickC used it but it didn't work. I didn't try that, I opted for resizing my partitions and adding a line to fstab and I got the chroot working Aug 21 06:47:06 I don't think he's here Aug 21 07:07:27 Ahh i hit the submit button in hp smb and it is just hanging on a white screen waiting i hope i dont get vb script... this is the last step Aug 21 07:07:46 if i do get vb script i wont know if the order actually went through or not Aug 21 07:08:33 acydlord, you bought from smb right? did you get a confirm email? Aug 21 07:08:48 garbs, ^ did you get a confirm email? Aug 21 07:09:26 i bought from hp, you dont get confirmation till shipping Aug 21 07:10:26 acydlord, thanks Aug 21 07:17:18 For our customers benefit, HP performs a standard fraud screen on all credit card orders placed online. Your credit card order may take additional time to process if we have difficulty verifying the information you provided. You may be contacted by phone for more information or clarification. Aug 21 07:17:24 so close Aug 21 07:30:04 pre3 == vaporwareish Aug 21 07:47:48 Jack87: only in the US - I bought one from UK Aug 21 07:49:33 hence the ish :) Aug 21 07:49:44 rwhitby, price? Aug 21 07:49:47 its stil possible to buy pre3's in UK? Aug 21 07:49:59 +l Aug 21 07:50:09 USD$500 + shipping Aug 21 07:50:48 have a 16GB on order in Australia for AUD$750 too, but am skeptical whether that will arrive. I can get a refund at any time. Aug 21 07:50:57 im guessing you havent gutted it :) Aug 21 07:50:57 (16GB Pre 3 that is) Aug 21 07:51:09 Jack87: it's currently still in Finland Aug 21 07:51:16 roger Aug 21 07:51:50 hight doubtful the comboard will be interchanable eh Aug 21 07:52:02 we already know it's not. Aug 21 07:52:08 haha ya Aug 21 07:53:29 Jack87, verified that at SCaLE, remember? Aug 21 07:53:38 rwhitby, have you expressed your thoughts on this whole hp thing yet? Aug 21 07:53:52 Jack87, he commented in the last PC round table Aug 21 07:54:08 cryptk, i know i know. haha I was just wanting an inkling of hope with hardware hackery Aug 21 07:54:25 http://www.precentral.net/round-table-webos-developers-chime-hp-axing-device-development Aug 21 07:54:31 oh hey, it's cryptk Aug 21 07:54:33 there's the link to the roundtable if you are interested Aug 21 07:54:37 valid points by all Aug 21 07:54:40 hey there geist ! Aug 21 07:56:27 geist! long time Aug 21 07:56:45 cryptk, very nice comments by everyone. Aug 21 07:56:55 yep, it was a good read Aug 21 07:57:09 I like how rwhitby 's comments are vastly different from everyone elses Aug 21 07:57:29 I for one see this as a good thing (as long as HP holds up their end and continues the OS dev work) Aug 21 07:57:56 they stated before that they were open to the idea of licensing but only to people that wouldn't be putting webOS on products that compete with theirs Aug 21 07:58:13 now that they aren't making phones and tablets, this opens the door for people like Samsung and HTC Aug 21 07:58:34 cryptk: I like to give a unique perspective :) Aug 21 08:02:17 what is happening with the whole pc department and such Aug 21 08:02:21 can anybody tell me why a wifi tablet has a qualcomm snapdragon soc? Aug 21 08:02:52 because? Aug 21 08:02:53 tmzt: so the same processor can be used in the 3G version I expect Aug 21 08:02:57 exactly Aug 21 08:03:30 it makes sense if you think about it Aug 21 08:03:39 I guess you liked the multicore design of pixi so much better than bit fiddling with an external msm Aug 21 08:03:55 anyway, the 8060 is a snapdragon with the modem bits disabled, essentially Aug 21 08:03:58 my apple die hard boss who knows nothing in electronics by apple even sent me an annoying email while i was on vacation ahhh no fair Aug 21 08:03:59 yeah, if one was planned then I take back my question Aug 21 08:04:00 so it's actually a pretty good move Aug 21 08:05:01 I would think the adreno was underpowered at that screen resolution though or something else was not quite right Aug 21 08:05:10 but this is all based on third party reports of 'slowness' Aug 21 08:05:17 and those are hard to take at face value Aug 21 08:05:53 geist, are you rocking a touchpad? Aug 21 08:06:01 nope Aug 21 08:06:01 tmzt, I have no complaints about the speed of mine Aug 21 08:06:25 it is a little sluggish during the initial profile sync while it is downloading all of your contacts... and emails... and apps... etc Aug 21 08:06:34 but that is acceptable... the thing is doing a lot of work Aug 21 08:07:04 what part of 2.0 uses node.js, just the services aspect? Aug 21 08:07:19 yep Aug 21 08:07:41 and the apps can access those services, so technically all non-PDK apps Aug 21 08:09:39 the other question I've had is more fundemental, why did Palm build the Pre rather than sourcing it from an ODM like HTC, why was it a year from the anncouncment at D5 to hardware shipping to consumers Aug 21 08:12:23 tmzt, gonna have to ask someone at Palm that one Aug 21 08:12:38 none of us work for Palm or HP (well, there may be a couple in the channel ;) Aug 21 08:12:46 now we know why we saw it on woot? Aug 21 08:13:31 cryptk: I through it out there :) Aug 21 08:14:16 at least with Pixi, it would have been a fairly simple thing for HTC to knock out as the consumer Palm device to replace Centro (doing quite well on both GSM and CDMA providers) Aug 21 08:14:39 Pre could have been an attempt to leap-frog the competition with OMAP3, but that only lasted until the Droid shipped Aug 21 08:14:46 sort of. HTC has gotten a *lot* better in the last few years Aug 21 08:14:50 again, it was annouced a year ahead Aug 21 08:14:54 they weren't quite so good back in 2007 Aug 21 08:14:58 geist: Palm had dealt with them before though Aug 21 08:15:04 t650 didn't come out crap Aug 21 08:15:15 no, pre was announced at CES 2008 (or was it 2009? I forget) and shipped a few months later Aug 21 08:15:55 t650 is a joke compared to the newer breed of phones that people wanted Aug 21 08:16:07 it was nice, but it was a nice old-skool phone Aug 21 08:16:24 one of the things palm wanted to do was take back the hardware design, become a vertically integrated company like apple Aug 21 08:16:32 they failed. hindsight is a bitch Aug 21 08:18:30 they learned the hard way that building a world class hardware and ops team you cannot just do overnight Aug 21 08:18:57 makes me wonder about Google+Motorola Aug 21 08:19:36 you also have to remember we were slaving away at webos and pre long before android hockysticked and turned into a real player Aug 21 08:19:41 their experience with a few of the android phones is very similar, though they were less involved in the actual industrial design and electrical engineering aspects Aug 21 08:19:49 sure Aug 21 08:20:19 remember the G1 just before we announced the pre, and android didn't get really popular into the droid, well into 2008 Aug 21 08:20:20 by they way, right about CES but I remember hearing about an OMAP3 device at D, I'm sure my memory is faulty though Aug 21 08:20:41 sure, but that was a few months after the Pre and completely overshadowed it Aug 21 08:20:46 webos and pre were announced at ces 2008, shipped on sprint in jun 2008 Aug 21 08:20:48 I still can't understand why Aug 21 08:20:58 er sorry, 2009 Aug 21 08:21:00 Android only started to get good at that point Aug 21 08:21:19 G1 shipped in late 2008 but wasn't terribly good, droid came out just after pre and ate our lunch Aug 21 08:21:46 so in hindsight, sure maybe we were doommed unless we were firing on all cylinders all the way, but you can't tell when you're in the trenches Aug 21 08:22:39 but what doesn't make sense is the consumer response Aug 21 08:23:09 I base most of this stuff on hanging out at the Verizon and other carriers stores (only in my region though) and seeing what gets pushed, what gets passed over, what people show interest in Aug 21 08:23:34 right, sprint was decent to us, but verizon basically played palm like a fiddle Aug 21 08:23:46 I think Android just became the default thing to push to anybody that expressed interest in an iPhone (before Verizon had one) or had a blackberry Aug 21 08:23:57 yeah Aug 21 08:24:43 exactly. also, it comes back to hw. if the hw has any problems real or perceived, the salespeople at the stores, which verizon has a lot of phyiscal ones, doesn't want to push it Aug 21 08:24:52 since if you return the phone it comes out of their paycheck Aug 21 08:25:05 right, and they hardly ever follow corporate guidance Aug 21 08:25:08 if they sell on commision, they want to sell the safest thing that gets them the biggest bang for your buck Aug 21 08:25:13 I've had so many off the record comments Aug 21 08:25:18 true Aug 21 08:25:44 so something like a 'loose' slider would balloon Aug 21 08:26:01 the other thing, I'm sure I"ve mentioned here before, was no demonstration Palm profiles Aug 21 08:26:11 no way to even see the real features of the phone in the store Aug 21 08:26:31 the other thing i think we mispredicted was the form factor. at the time we were designing pre, which was like mid 2007, it wasn't entirely clear that the flat, panel phone that everyone likes was going to be the dominant formfactor Aug 21 08:26:37 hard to sell somebody on Facebook integration Aug 21 08:26:51 now it's obvious. doubly so in america. BIG SCREENS sell Aug 21 08:26:53 yeah, big camera, big screen, good text messaging Aug 21 08:26:56 and that's it Aug 21 08:27:07 that's why my G2 was killed, an awesome qwerty device Aug 21 08:27:12 yah Aug 21 08:27:14 but not iPhone cloney enogh Aug 21 08:27:50 and Verizon, I get it, HP doesn't want to be their source of yet another thing that looks like an iPhone for no margins Aug 21 08:28:27 you can see how they've begin subsituting Motorola Droid X for everything else, including the Incredible 2 which they are already practically giving away Aug 21 08:28:55 yah Aug 21 08:29:22 so Google gets that business, not Apple dictating terms, but the same Motorola that couldn't kill the RAZR 1 Aug 21 08:29:32 when they released the RAZR 2 Aug 21 08:30:03 or that turned RIM into a feature media phone company overnight Aug 21 08:30:22 at least from their perspectives (Verizon's) Aug 21 08:32:15 wow, a whole bunch of people in #touchdroid who bought a touchpad to run android, I wonder how suprised their going to be when the port is years away (speaking from my #htc-linux experience, tp2/hd2 is almost usable now :) Aug 21 08:34:08 well, maybe. the state of the world of linux on QCs chips is much better Aug 21 08:34:16 tmzt, touchdroid? hum my guess is those people arent webos users at all? Aug 21 08:34:18 all it *really* takes is someone that knows what they're doing Aug 21 08:34:25 someone that doesn't has zero chance Aug 21 08:34:35 geist: and time and patience Aug 21 08:35:25 adreno can be a real pain, and that's not even considering the difference in bionic depending on what GL library they intend to use Aug 21 08:36:29 as well as porting your specific version of DRI to an android kernel, or finding an existing android device for a similar enough soc and porting it's driver to a kernel supporting the TP hardware Aug 21 08:36:55 yep Aug 21 08:37:28 just saying, people expecting instant results are in for a surprise Aug 21 08:38:03 i can tell you from experience that the other direction is pretty easy Aug 21 08:38:15 hey looks like my TP order did go through even though it errored out on the order page Aug 21 08:38:16 yeah Aug 21 08:38:17 if you have the source you can bust a webos build on top of an android system with no trouble Aug 21 08:38:37 right, but I mean a couple of things there Aug 21 08:39:19 1 is your GL driver probably won't work on bionic, 2 is android won't work on non-bionic and won't like your GLES abi anyway (it should, as it's a standard, but that's not really how these things work is it :)) Aug 21 08:39:20 we can just hope that HP releases the source at some point so webos can live on Aug 21 08:40:21 at least the android kernel is mostly standard linux and the parts that aren't aren't a huge problem for compatibility Aug 21 08:40:54 tmzt, is webos kernel not standard? Aug 21 08:41:07 no, it is Aug 21 08:41:17 not really anything as 'webos kernel' Aug 21 08:41:35 I was just commenting on geist's statement about building webos on top of an android system Aug 21 08:41:43 yeah, it's just a standard kernel with whatever customizations to support that particular board Aug 21 08:48:49 just to be clear, it will be possible to continue to use a webOS device without a Palm profile, though the method rwhitby developed or preferably and official one? Aug 21 08:53:59 bright side to all this is... it prolly put the TP into the hands of other developers who were reluncted to try it Aug 21 08:56:39 poor tmzt i dont think you can break their ignorance in #touchpad but i applaud your attempts Aug 21 08:56:50 i mean #touchdroid Aug 21 08:57:14 * oil is enjoying watching :) Aug 21 08:57:25 "i'm a bit irked by the fact that seemingly the only IRC app for webOS is a pay app" made me lol Aug 21 08:57:33 hey at least they sold and didn't join the foleo down the memory hole Aug 21 08:58:14 Jack87: my friend, I've been in #android since fall 2008 Aug 21 08:58:15 looks like there actually is a #touchpad Aug 21 08:58:43 I saw memes arise out of nowhere and get cemented as facts Aug 21 08:59:54 so, how was the rest of the day's touchpad frenzy Aug 21 09:01:03 tmzt, you been around here for awhile no?? or am i remembering you from #nookcolor Aug 21 09:01:33 probably both Aug 21 09:01:45 I've been here since june 2009 Aug 21 09:01:53 thats what i thought Aug 21 09:03:19 I like nook because it's the same open omap3 bootloader as pre Aug 21 09:03:32 but I've looked at them and am not really sure about paying 250 for it Aug 21 09:03:42 would rather have a full tab, touchpad, galaxy etc. Aug 21 09:03:44 well i think our traffic will raise Aug 21 09:04:30 tmzt, i love my nookcolor and it a device that might run webos.... hence similar hardware to pre2 Aug 21 09:05:18 haha before the tp price drop... the nookcolor was the biggest bang for your buck Aug 21 09:05:30 an open luna would good, the reasons for it not happening made/make sense as long HP pursues a software solution with webOS Aug 21 09:05:44 right Aug 21 09:05:50 nook touch. Aug 21 09:06:05 I just wish it didn't have the stupid keychain loop Aug 21 09:06:17 it would look so much better without it Aug 21 09:06:18 thats where the sdcard hides Aug 21 09:06:20 its kinda cool Aug 21 09:06:26 oh Aug 21 09:06:34 with usb support might be able to hang a hard drive on it :) Aug 21 09:06:46 usb host that is Aug 21 09:08:02 booting from sd card is just great! i wish webos devices had sd cards! who know what palm was thinking when they took em out. Aug 21 09:08:05 that was a big fail Aug 21 09:09:27 none of them did? Aug 21 09:09:37 centro and before did Aug 21 09:09:41 pre and later did not Aug 21 09:10:31 dwc-: why did you say nook touch? we are talking about nook color Aug 21 09:11:57 tmzt, all old palm os and win mobile had sdcards... but webos devices did not. sad story! Aug 21 09:12:27 tmzt, nook touch is pretty bad ass to. i dunno what the hardware details are. but i bought one for the gf. its a great device. kinda want one now Aug 21 09:12:31 going by iPhone feature list Aug 21 09:12:48 Jack87: the new one with the non-glass is pretty awesome Aug 21 09:12:53 that's what you mean? Aug 21 09:13:08 if I was buying for eink it would probably be that Aug 21 09:13:17 I want to work on androix on a tablet, can't do that on eink Aug 21 09:13:20 nook touch? ya... the eink device Aug 21 09:14:26 its a pretty powerful little device and can do most of what the nook color can do. Aug 21 09:14:48 jsut without color :)... i mean animations arent smooth of course. Aug 21 09:14:52 and no multi touch Aug 21 09:15:22 was either multitouch? Aug 21 09:15:26 but other then that it can be used as a table very easily for browsing the web. reading. email. calendar and such Aug 21 09:15:38 i think it wasn't easy on pre due to pinout, but mostly it was a form factor thing Aug 21 09:15:42 nookcolor is multi touch yes.. nook simple touch is not Aug 21 09:15:45 there was no good place to put a sdcard slot Aug 21 09:16:13 geist, hehe to be honest i am glad to hear that from you Aug 21 09:16:21 geist: on Pre? Aug 21 09:16:49 yeah Aug 21 09:17:03 the dev boards for pre had a slot, we used to bootstrap on it a lot Aug 21 09:17:06 so many other devices have them under then battery now Aug 21 09:17:19 yeah, but pre was a slider. the main cpu was on the screen side Aug 21 09:17:28 nice Aug 21 09:17:30 a right Aug 21 09:17:40 tmzt: because I thik the nook touch is a better value than the nook color, both on cost and on having e-ink display :p Aug 21 09:17:54 sim was slow enough to go through the ribbon or be directly connected to the msm Aug 21 09:17:58 that makes sense Aug 21 09:18:06 dwc-: and lighter weight Aug 21 09:18:14 on the pre the msm was on the bottom half, there was basicalyl just a usb link between them Aug 21 09:18:19 sim would have been msm, sorry Aug 21 09:18:35 that explains a lot, keyboard and ts were usb as well? Aug 21 09:18:41 nook color you have to buy from local classifieds for a good deal Aug 21 09:18:54 no, keyboard controller was on the bottom side, talked over i2c Aug 21 09:18:59 notice the usb port was on the top Aug 21 09:19:45 the pixi i think didn't have enough sdmmc controllers Aug 21 09:20:01 for wifi and sd, that makes sense Aug 21 09:20:12 right Aug 21 09:20:14 7x27 had 3 though, but only one hsmmc? Aug 21 09:20:21 something like that Aug 21 09:21:09 at least you had enough flash it wasn't critical, like so many android phones Aug 21 09:22:04 wow hp accessory prices went back up Aug 21 09:22:18 they were on sale... 20% off now they are back to full price Aug 21 09:41:15 that one guy is really bugging the shit out of me. in #touchdroid Aug 21 09:41:59 Jack87, who? :-D Aug 21 09:42:16 Aug 21 09:42:22 ah, that guy Aug 21 09:42:48 ignore him, he's probably 14 Aug 21 09:42:51 seems like a troll Aug 21 09:43:03 does irc have ignore option? Aug 21 09:43:27 yeah, /ignore , isn't it? Aug 21 09:46:24 hello Aug 21 09:46:44 hey Aug 21 09:47:02 I have an interesting question someone in here might be able to help with... Aug 21 09:47:13 I swooped up my store's demo tablet... Aug 21 09:47:26 Can't create an accoutn. Aug 21 09:47:28 oh, another one of those Aug 21 09:47:42 I think because your device ID doesn't allow it Aug 21 09:47:47 some people wrote about calling up HP Aug 21 09:47:51 That's what i've read. Aug 21 09:47:58 asking them to unlock it, whatever that means Aug 21 09:48:17 heard of any success? or should i try to get my money back Aug 21 09:48:30 dont know, its sunday anyways Aug 21 09:48:34 wait until tomorrow Aug 21 09:48:50 probably a good call. Aug 21 09:49:10 I managed to flash it fine.. just a bit disappointing. Aug 21 09:58:27 Lisurgec, i wonder if you can put it in dev mode and use imposta and create your account that way Aug 21 09:59:06 i have not quit yet mastered imposta as it is a really advanced homebrew app. but im sure someone here can help out Aug 21 10:01:28 rwhitby, any insight for the demo units? Aug 21 10:01:48 demo units? they sold those too? Aug 21 10:02:37 rwhitby, they werent supposed to they all say not for resale but looks like some got their hands on them Aug 21 10:02:50 and are unable to make webos profiles Aug 21 10:03:27 will imposta help with that you think? Aug 21 10:03:42 have they been re-doctored? they run completely different firmware with a different OTA server Aug 21 10:03:45 Lisurgec, what did you do to "flash it fine" ? Aug 21 10:04:01 Jack87: and I expect the tokens would be different too Aug 21 10:04:11 rwhitby, thats what i am wondering.. hum... he really isnt responding much though Aug 21 10:05:16 oh well.. it be intresting to know.. and find out if its worth sweet talking some retailers to selling the demos Aug 21 10:06:15 Jack87: get a token dump and we'll know for sure Aug 21 10:07:02 rwhitby, Lisurgec, is the user that got one. Aug 21 10:09:00 where is imposta? Aug 21 10:09:18 Lisurgec, can you get the device into dev mode? Aug 21 10:09:44 well i'm stuck at the create an account screen that happens when it's set up Aug 21 10:10:18 i activated dev mode before the factory reset, but i doubt i kept root Aug 21 10:10:43 rwhitby, how can you bypass activation and go straight into devmode on TP? (i dont think i have ever needed to do that) Aug 21 10:11:07 Lisurgec, after you ran the doctor it removed dev mode Aug 21 10:11:13 i figured as much Aug 21 10:11:27 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_on_an_unactivated_device.html Aug 21 10:12:02 we need to get you to bypass activation install preware and run show properties app to get your tokens and rwhitby can help determine if its a tokens thing Aug 21 10:12:33 that's what i was thinking. Aug 21 10:12:36 well Aug 21 10:12:39 the preware part. Aug 21 10:12:44 i'm game to help Aug 21 10:12:45 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_on_an_unactivated_device.html#c21702 Aug 21 10:13:01 Lisurgec, see if you can follow those instructions Aug 21 10:13:24 im not quit sure that i remember what the TP actication screen looks like and where you would type ##DEVMOE# Aug 21 10:14:33 Lisurgec, looks like you need to get to the phone app somehow... you can try tapping the top left corner drop down menu. Aug 21 10:15:40 i'm trying to run palm's activation bypass Aug 21 10:15:57 i dont think thats for the TP Aug 21 10:16:20 might work. Aug 21 10:16:24 neither do i, there's no activation Aug 21 10:16:34 but the easiest way is if you can get to the phone app on your TP Aug 21 10:16:38 but it also bypasses account creation Aug 21 10:16:41 is there any option for the phone app Aug 21 10:16:48 there are NO options Aug 21 10:16:56 and actually it's stuck in recovery mode right now >< Aug 21 10:16:56 Lisurgec, you wanted to bypass it to get the activation token Aug 21 10:16:56 i dont remember the touchpad activation screen at all Aug 21 10:17:31 lol... hold down powerbutton for a long time and cross your fingers Aug 21 10:17:48 sketchy >< Aug 21 10:18:35 definately not working... Aug 21 10:19:25 is it unpluged? Aug 21 10:19:34 it wasn't. Aug 21 10:19:36 it is now. Aug 21 10:19:57 by the way you can always run meta doctor for webos Aug 21 10:20:11 and that will bypass activation for you Aug 21 10:20:30 Lisurgec, how are you with linux? Aug 21 10:20:44 i'm confident with it. Aug 21 10:21:03 i'm an andriod "hacker" for lack of a better term Aug 21 10:21:06 modder? Aug 21 10:21:13 i hang out on XDA. Aug 21 10:21:27 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Aug 21 10:22:05 meta doctor is what is used to unpack the official doctor and repack it modded you can change options in the make file Aug 21 10:22:12 sweet. Aug 21 10:22:23 okay. Aug 21 10:22:24 Lisurgec: what have you developed for android? Aug 21 10:22:46 and its compleatley legal. as distributing a custom webos doctor is illegal Aug 21 10:23:07 mostly a consumer of other's works, but i enjoy trying out new roms. Aug 21 10:23:14 more of a modder really Aug 21 10:23:44 lemme reboot into ubuntu and i'll try meta doc Aug 21 10:23:46 brb. Aug 21 10:24:09 what does a "modder" do? Aug 21 10:24:09 i.e. what output does a modder produce Aug 21 10:24:09 i need to get some sleep Aug 21 10:24:42 rwhitby, he is an end user of the work done by others Aug 21 10:25:05 at least thats what i am getting out of what he said Aug 21 10:26:04 anyway... im gong to hit the sack. think you can help him with meta doctor questions he might have. then give him a link for preware installer or something so he can grab those tokens using shop properties app Aug 21 10:26:22 show* Aug 21 10:26:45 Jack87: if he has recovery access, a simple "tokens --list" will do it Aug 21 10:27:03 alright. Aug 21 10:27:47 run that link by me again? Aug 21 10:27:53 lisurgec: novaterm to the device in recovery mode and pastebin the output of "tokens --list" Aug 21 10:28:27 rwhitby, he needs to install sdk Aug 21 10:28:38 no need to go into meta-doctor for this Aug 21 10:29:32 lisurgec, you can meta doctor later.. rwhitby will help you figure out to at least why you cant create a profile (if it has to do with tokens) Aug 21 10:29:39 you do need novaterm on your computer Aug 21 10:29:40 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html#linux Aug 21 10:29:43 okay Aug 21 10:30:05 first day with webos Aug 21 10:30:09 might be a little slow. Aug 21 10:30:34 https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/3.0.2.652/sdkBinaries/palm-novacom_1.0.76_amd64.deb Aug 21 10:30:52 oops sorry thats 64 bit Aug 21 10:30:54 whats your machine Aug 21 10:31:08 64 Aug 21 10:31:08 32 bit ==> https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/3.0.2.652/sdkBinaries/palm-novacom_1.0.76_i386.deb Aug 21 10:31:58 installing. Aug 21 10:32:01 done. Aug 21 10:32:33 lisurgec, go back into recovery mode Aug 21 10:32:42 plug tp into computer Aug 21 10:32:54 okay Aug 21 10:32:57 Boot up by holding power+VolUP Aug 21 10:34:16 hmmm..my recovery mode isn't spitting out a log... is that normal? Aug 21 10:35:59 does novaterm give me a shell at some point? Aug 21 10:36:22 hit return if you're in recovery mode, you're talking to bootie Aug 21 10:36:46 you'll want to memboot too - there's a wiki page for that Aug 21 10:37:32 lisurgec, when in recovery mode you type novaterm in your terminal Aug 21 10:37:39 yeah i know Aug 21 10:37:52 it continued sitting Aug 21 10:38:09 hold on, need to get back to recovery. Aug 21 10:38:29 did you get some sort of error? Aug 21 10:38:46 no, i disconnected...how long does novaterm take to start up? Aug 21 10:39:00 0,01s Aug 21 10:39:39 should i be seeing a ']' prompt Aug 21 10:39:43 or what Aug 21 10:39:48 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Memboot Aug 21 10:40:12 what happens when you type novaterm Aug 21 10:40:26 you are plugged in via sub i am assoming Aug 21 10:40:28 assuming Aug 21 10:40:53 mhmm Aug 21 10:41:00 i have a prompt of some kind. Aug 21 10:41:08 tokens --list doesn't run though. Aug 21 10:41:52 this is when you need to memboot i believe (confirm rwhitby) Aug 21 10:42:02 yep Aug 21 10:42:06 do i run it from this shell or from another Aug 21 10:42:25 nvm, answered it. Aug 21 10:42:41 what does the wiki page say? Aug 21 10:43:35 "On Linux: (after opening a shell)" :) Aug 21 10:44:12 hum... Aug 21 10:44:26 i dont thin the directory is /opt/palm anymore Aug 21 10:44:29 might be not sure Aug 21 10:44:33 it is Aug 21 10:44:39 i don't have the sdk installed yet Aug 21 10:44:41 bleh. Aug 21 10:45:07 i guess it is Aug 21 10:45:15 im not sure if you need the whole sdk Aug 21 10:45:32 it wont hurt though Aug 21 10:45:44 on windows they changed the palm dir to webos or something Aug 21 10:46:01 i learned that the hardway on my work pc Aug 21 10:46:17 3.5 minutes to sdk. Aug 21 10:46:38 so i can find the tokens for you guys once i'm in memboot? Aug 21 10:46:57 yep Aug 21 10:47:33 * cryptk just built the fastest wordpress server he has ever seen Aug 21 10:47:39 these are device tokens? Aug 21 10:47:40 and it has an amazing 512 MB of ram Aug 21 10:48:21 lisurgec, yes... this will help determine why you cant make a palm profile Aug 21 10:48:44 i see. Aug 21 10:49:58 i'm guessing hp is just blocking the demo serial numbers. Aug 21 10:50:39 my guess is DMMODEL is different Aug 21 10:53:02 what would that mean for me Aug 21 10:57:54 bleh. gotta reboot. Aug 21 10:57:59 brb. Aug 21 10:58:08 cryptk: how? phpdaemon+nginx+fastcgi? Aug 21 10:58:40 nginx, php-fpm, memcached, varnish Aug 21 10:58:56 cool, look at phpdaemon though Aug 21 10:59:14 it's pretty neat, haven't gotten to try it but it's supposedly an evented preloading server for php Aug 21 10:59:24 oh, and APC as well Aug 21 10:59:31 lisurgec, i bet you could just bypass activation and use imposta to create a profile and get the app catalog working Aug 21 10:59:34 im not sure though Aug 21 10:59:42 also, what caching plugin would you use? I'm looking for one that doesn't need .htaccess Aug 21 11:00:04 W3 Total Cache Aug 21 11:00:12 and I have it storing the caches in Memcached Aug 21 11:00:28 tmzt, 瑨灴⼺瀯獡整楢⹮潣⽭ね煁卫牑 Aug 21 11:00:29 can you github the setup? Aug 21 11:00:33 blargh... one sec Aug 21 11:00:38 http://pastebin.com/m0AqkSQr Aug 21 11:00:44 there are two benchmarks of the server Aug 21 11:00:52 the first one is 1000 connections with 10 concurrent Aug 21 11:01:00 the second is 10000 connections with 100 concurrent Aug 21 11:01:21 who else is still intersted in a cheap touchpad? Aug 21 11:01:38 tmzt, I can one up you on githubbing the setup, how about a blog post that I wrote detailing how to set it all up Aug 21 11:01:39 http://www.cryptkcoding.com/2011/08/running-wordpress-with-nginx-php-fpm-apc-and-varnish/ Aug 21 11:02:52 hope to get something that can merge wp databases and bypass setup Aug 21 11:03:01 and put wp blogs under git version control Aug 21 11:03:20 Abyssul, ping Aug 21 11:04:26 tmzt, the only reason the second benchmark was so slow was because of bandwidth limits Aug 21 11:04:52 lemme adjust some things and get rid of that pesky speed limit Aug 21 11:05:54 I assume there's a redis version fo the caching? Aug 21 11:06:36 no Aug 21 11:06:42 Varnish is doing most of the caching Aug 21 11:06:57 I mean the part that runs on memcached Aug 21 11:07:06 and the little bit that it isn't doing is being done by W3 Total Cache with the caching being stored in memcache Aug 21 11:07:21 it's just the W3 Total Cache plugin configged to store it's data in memcached Aug 21 11:10:53 got memboot working... i think Aug 21 11:11:10 it's showing the hp boot logo anyway after running the command. Aug 21 11:13:08 guess recovery mode must have timed out.. trying again. Aug 21 11:13:39 nope... Aug 21 11:14:09 rwhitby, what am I supposed to be doing here exactly Aug 21 11:15:48 oh i get it Aug 21 11:16:13 tmzt, I just dropped off the bandwidth caps and slammed it with 500 concurrent connections... ~370MB of ram used Aug 21 11:16:32 page load times are averaging in at about 1 second, lol Aug 21 11:16:48 nice Aug 21 11:17:09 for the number of wordpress instances we would be talking that would be a massive improvement Aug 21 11:17:19 but it won't happen, it's all cpanel and phpcgi Aug 21 11:17:22 suexec Aug 21 11:24:21 lisurgec, im pretty sure you are doing it right as its booting into memory via your computer webos image file Aug 21 11:24:38 yeah, i caught onto that. Aug 21 11:24:46 by the way Aug 21 11:24:47 ~log Aug 21 11:24:47 hmm... log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/ and the latest log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt Aug 21 11:25:18 its a publicly logged channel you can refer to the log if needed since you keep rebooting Aug 21 11:25:18 oh for sure. Aug 21 11:25:35 you know what... Aug 21 11:25:38 it's 4 am. Aug 21 11:26:00 i'm gonna hit it for tonight, and get a good start for tomorrow. Aug 21 11:26:00 where did you get the demo unit from anyway? Aug 21 11:26:07 i work at radioshack Aug 21 11:26:20 so can you return it? Aug 21 11:26:24 or are you borrowing it :) Aug 21 11:26:38 i'm sure i can return it if need be Aug 21 11:26:42 but i really don't want to Aug 21 11:26:54 ya. i dont want you to either. be nice to get it going. Aug 21 11:26:58 how much did you end up paying Aug 21 11:27:11 149 for the 32. Aug 21 11:27:24 well here you go Aug 21 11:27:25 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/HP+-+TouchPad+Tablet+with+32GB+Memory+-+Black/2842092.p?id=1218358272750&skuId=2842092&st=hp%20touchpad&cp=1&lp=2 Aug 21 11:27:38 although you will have to pay an extra 10 bucks for shipping Aug 21 11:27:57 i figure they have a big quantity still Aug 21 11:28:11 i'll give it through the weekend, try calling hp on monday, then if all else fails i'll do it. Aug 21 11:28:12 well online does... instore not so much Aug 21 11:28:34 think online will last till monday? Aug 21 11:28:45 but... id like to see your demo working so there is a solution for others who might get their hands on one Aug 21 11:28:53 yeah. Aug 21 11:29:00 well... maybe preware will help. Aug 21 11:29:02 we'll see Aug 21 11:29:07 i really dunno i just bought one though although i had an order on hp website Aug 21 11:29:08 or maybe hp will release a fix Aug 21 11:29:16 all else fails there is local classifieds Aug 21 11:29:25 the units do say not for resale Aug 21 11:29:35 anyway... its 5 :30 for me Aug 21 11:29:36 haha Aug 21 11:29:39 so bed time Aug 21 11:29:39 hahah Aug 21 11:29:42 aight. Aug 21 11:29:46 i'll be around Aug 21 11:29:48 later dude. Aug 21 11:29:49 good luck we will play later Aug 21 11:51:45 hola folks. Aug 21 11:55:49 gn Aug 21 11:57:44 hmm Aug 21 12:02:27 hey! Aug 21 12:05:27 hm Aug 21 12:05:30 I´ve got a blog (linmob.net) and I am trying to write an article about the chances to built an open source version of webOS Aug 21 12:05:38 where are apps stored on the pre 3? Aug 21 12:06:10 besides Enyo and Mojo, what´s the most difficult part to rebuild? The UI should be difficult... Aug 21 12:08:18 p3t3r___: binary kernel modules for a start. binary API userspace daemons next. LunaSysMgr last. Aug 21 12:10:10 let´s say one would use meego or android as a base - they´ve got some API daemons - would you think writing wrappers is easier than doing everything from scratch Aug 21 12:15:11 rwhitby-tp: So it´s virtually impossible, unless HP opens some parts of it? Aug 21 12:16:40 p3t3r___: it's all just 1's and 0's Aug 21 12:17:01 rwhitby-tp: ;) Aug 21 12:17:24 btw, another questions: What is Qt used for in webOS 3.0 Aug 21 12:17:27 ? Aug 21 12:18:51 p3t3r___: the launcher UI Aug 21 12:19:35 rwhitby-pre: So basically the cards and all? Aug 21 12:19:56 no, the launcher Aug 21 12:21:04 rwhitby-pre: the launcher that appears after swiping up? Aug 21 12:23:46 rwhitby-pre: (sorry for being so dump - i don´t own a touchpad and I am no native speaker) Aug 21 12:23:53 -p +b Aug 21 12:24:22 best not to write an article about something you haven't even used Aug 21 12:24:37 Got the confirmation email from HP Aug 21 12:26:40 rwhitby-pre: You´re right there. I´ve used a TouchPad, but just for about two hours. And I´ve got a Pre+ which I love to use. Aug 21 12:49:04 p3t3r___: yes, the launcher is what you described Aug 21 13:30:18 Hello, i want to ask what the webos-internals team position are and what the want to do after HP latest news? Aug 21 13:35:46 testname: our devices work the same today as they did three days ago, and the services and software that WebOS Internals provides do too. If you purchase a device based on future potential instead of it's capabilities at that moment (including apps), then you will always be disappointed. So business as usual for webOS homebrew. Aug 21 13:38:17 testname: what outlet do you represent? Aug 21 13:39:15 is there a de facto winner in the TouchPad case/sleeve category? Aug 21 13:41:51 rwhitby: I asked me if there is a way to develop webos in a way like a opensource projekt Aug 21 13:42:29 Hey guys Aug 21 13:42:37 quick question Aug 21 13:43:02 Got a Touchpad (good to have webOS back), installed preware, threw some patches in Aug 21 13:43:18 noticed that there was a weird scrolling thing going on Aug 21 13:43:20 TheLastOne: did you install http://bit.ly/phd-ac ? Aug 21 13:43:34 I didn't Aug 21 13:43:42 But this is more a bug then a problem Aug 21 13:44:27 when I scroll on a list, like Preware or the Default Applications list Aug 21 13:44:38 it screws up and loses the bottom of the list Aug 21 13:45:13 This only started after I threw the first patch on Aug 21 13:45:45 Apparently I'm not the only one who's having this happen, but I can't find any discussion about it anywhere Aug 21 13:46:16 TheLastOne: it's a webOS bug in mojo emulation Aug 21 13:46:57 Is there anything that can be done or it's a known issue? Aug 21 13:49:33 huh Aug 21 13:49:40 it doesn't happen in landscape Aug 21 13:49:59 TheLastOne: we believe there may be a work-around Aug 21 13:50:06 well Aug 21 13:50:15 That would be ideal Aug 21 13:50:21 but it's nice that it's only screwed up in portrait Aug 21 13:50:29 so at least I can select the stuff at the bottom in landscape Aug 21 14:00:45 rwhitby: preware still says "phone" in some places. http://www.box.net/shared/lu70g5bs9uc6zg6cxba0 Aug 21 14:01:38 PatrickC: I bet you're not running the latest version in the testing feed Aug 21 14:02:03 just updated. I'll check again Aug 21 14:02:04 I think that was 1.7.0? Aug 21 15:34:13 is there an "official" uberkernel for the veer yet? Aug 21 15:36:47 ohai Aug 21 15:36:55 rrix, so wheres xecutah Aug 21 15:37:00 Xecutah is in my testing feed Aug 21 15:37:04 well, not my Aug 21 15:37:04 I have the testing feed Aug 21 15:37:06 the testing feed Aug 21 15:37:07 * rrix looks Aug 21 15:37:20 and still cant find on tp Aug 21 15:37:31 im looking.. Aug 21 15:37:34 k Aug 21 15:39:09 I have testing-all and testing-armv7 enabled and Xecutah is in applications => system utilities Aug 21 15:39:58 me too... Aug 21 15:40:03 give me a sec Aug 21 15:41:34 dont have it... Aug 21 15:41:38 got the ipk? Aug 21 15:42:47 No, but it's probably on ipkg.preware.org somewhere Aug 21 15:43:03 You'll also need xserver ipk and xterm ipk, and maybe some deps (idunno) Aug 21 15:43:18 If you're hunting for ipks it's probably just easier to fire up a VM at this point :) Aug 21 15:43:41 siestacat, they are on this page. http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/ Aug 21 15:43:44 why not use preware to install the ipk's/deps/etc? Aug 21 15:43:44 lol Aug 21 15:43:45 :( Aug 21 15:44:16 I'm installed ubuntu Aug 21 15:44:26 kk, bbl all ^>^ Aug 21 15:44:28 dtzWill: apparently it's not showing up in thetesting feed Aug 21 15:44:30 on My 149$ tp Aug 21 15:44:38 on siestacat's TP. (shows in mine) Aug 21 15:45:04 shows in mine Aug 21 15:45:08 rrix I dont see a thing Aug 21 15:45:42 * rrix shrugs Aug 21 15:45:48 iunno :) Aug 21 15:46:07 if it's on that page scoutcamper linked it really has no excuse not to be on your TP somewhere :) Aug 21 15:46:29 hold on, visualboy advzncs?! Aug 21 15:46:40 do I really see that? Aug 21 15:47:03 It doesn't work on the TP properly, iirc Aug 21 15:47:09 works great on my pre though :) Aug 21 15:47:26 probably doesnt work right on TP Aug 21 15:49:16 that sucks Aug 21 15:49:22 someone should port that Aug 21 15:49:49 Want to port that? :) Aug 21 15:49:49 harder than it seems, but I agree. contact the maintainer. Aug 21 15:49:54 siestacat, in "the comming months" :) Aug 21 15:49:58 ok Aug 21 15:50:04 someone Aug 21 15:50:09 rrix Aug 21 15:50:20 I got xecuteh Aug 21 15:50:23 what else? Aug 21 15:50:29 xterm and xserver Aug 21 15:50:33 siestacat, dtzWill is the lead dev of VBA Aug 21 15:50:35 then follow the metadoctor instructions Aug 21 15:51:04 except on tp? Aug 21 15:51:06 make sure you don't do it from inside of /media/internal or you'll have the same problems you would doing it on windows Aug 21 15:51:09 siestacat: yup Aug 21 15:51:16 this has java, right? Aug 21 15:51:35 Now that I think about it, does the TP have an ext3 partition big enough to do this, even? bah. Aug 21 15:51:37 * rrix looks Aug 21 15:51:47 uh oh Aug 21 15:51:54 metadoctor makes one Aug 21 15:52:00 but... Aug 21 15:52:08 live cd doesnt Aug 21 15:52:55 of ubuntu Aug 21 15:53:35 rrix, I'll be right back Aug 21 15:53:39 luna restart Aug 21 15:53:41 so brb Aug 21 15:54:29 Hmm, you need java to create a doctor? Aug 21 15:54:36 yep Aug 21 15:54:40 I thought you just needed it to run the doctor Aug 21 15:54:47 Jars are just zip files Aug 21 15:54:58 executable zip files Aug 21 15:55:11 difference Aug 21 15:56:25 heu Aug 21 15:56:41 is ext3 big enough? Aug 21 15:56:59 rrix Aug 21 15:57:15 I don't think doing this will work on the touchpad Aug 21 15:57:21 ext3 is just a drive format, you have to specify how much it holds like Fat32 and NFTS Aug 21 15:57:30 right? Aug 21 15:57:37 crzp Aug 21 15:57:40 You might be able to do it in /media/cryptofs/, but I have my doubts now that I look at the doctor Aug 21 15:57:42 so I need ubu tu Aug 21 15:57:44 Abyssul-Pre: correct Aug 21 15:57:48 siestacat: correct Aug 21 15:57:51 grrr Aug 21 15:57:54 I hate ubuntu Aug 21 15:57:56 sorry Aug 21 15:57:56 bT ok Aug 21 15:58:04 Huh, it does use javac Aug 21 15:58:06 I love it on touchpad Aug 21 15:58:09 Learn something every day Aug 21 15:58:15 you have to use metadoctor to create a ext3 big enough to load the ubuntu. its an option under the makefile Aug 21 15:58:26 can I install other vefsion? Aug 21 15:58:40 can I install suse or something? Aug 21 15:58:52 I'm going to ubuntu when it becomes easier to load onto my tp. Aug 21 15:59:10 siestacat, the linux kernel has to be armv7 compatible. Aug 21 15:59:17 ok Aug 21 15:59:25 along wtih drivers Aug 21 15:59:33 ubuntu wise, am I using wubi on my pc? Aug 21 16:00:11 Probably easiest, though a VM would also work, I think Aug 21 16:00:19 Don't see why it wouldn't Aug 21 16:00:23 I prefer dual booting :p Aug 21 16:00:45 I don't even have a windows partition any more... makes things easier for me in general :) Aug 21 16:00:52 read the metadoctor about options for creating the metadoctor in a windows environment Aug 21 16:01:18 I have a windows laptop I use for doctoring though, since novacom doesn't like fedora's libusb Aug 21 16:01:56 you cant doctor on windows... Aug 21 16:02:01 meta doctormanyway Aug 21 16:02:11 You can run doctors though Aug 21 16:02:17 you can use the doctor jar on any OS Aug 21 16:02:28 but I need it made on linux Aug 21 16:02:34 and no one will give it to me Aug 21 16:02:34 aye Aug 21 16:02:48 of course not, thats illehal Aug 21 16:03:01 damn Aug 21 16:03:14 so... Aug 21 16:03:40 wubi does NOT over write windows portion, righta. Aug 21 16:03:41 ? Aug 21 16:03:44 Right Aug 21 16:03:47 have to make it yourself. Aug 21 16:04:04 It creates an ubuntu image inside of the Windows partition and does some nasty magick to boot it Aug 21 16:04:14 you will feel accomplish when you get it all done though :) Aug 21 16:04:27 * rrix is creating chroot image in xterm instead Aug 21 16:04:36 reinstalling preware et al after metadoctoring is a PITA Aug 21 16:04:42 I'll just loopmount Aug 21 16:04:59 or just make metadoctor install it automatically with the makefile... Aug 21 16:05:24 Abyssul-Pre: I could never figure out how to also get it to reinstall all the stuff FROM preware :) Aug 21 16:05:38 ... Aug 21 16:05:41 oh, like save and restore? Aug 21 16:05:52 something like backing up the list of installed apps to my palm profile Aug 21 16:06:07 Abyssul-Pre: no, just the list of apps/patches/etc from preware Aug 21 16:06:14 saved package list and save/restore Aug 21 16:06:44 yea, between palm profile and save and restore app, all settings and data is pretty much restored Aug 21 16:06:47 rwhitby: I must be doing saved package list wrong because every time I go to save/restore preware after I doctor, it still isn't there Aug 21 16:07:31 try rereading the wiki and make sure you are following the instructions Aug 21 16:07:41 * rrix nods Aug 21 16:08:44 You don't need to meta doctor for the ubuntu chroot, I'll create a wiki page for a safe procedure to do it without meta doctoring, you people suffer a lot for that :D Aug 21 16:09:18 nuttybunny_pre2: please do so. I would love to load ubuntu on my TP Aug 21 16:09:56 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#How_to_get_the_optional_ext3fs_partition_mounted_at_device_boot <== Aug 21 16:10:39 NuttyBunny_Pre2: chroot page already has loopfs image option Aug 21 16:12:13 rwhitby: But it's a bit slow, isn't it? I did want to make it as fast and reliable as possible :) Aug 21 16:12:24 * rwhitby btt Aug 21 16:12:28 bbt even Aug 21 16:12:38 heh Aug 21 16:12:40 bye rod Aug 21 16:14:05 meh id rather metadoctor anyways for stability. Aug 21 16:24:18 hold om.. Aug 21 16:24:38 I dont need to doctor for ubuntu? Aug 21 16:25:38 not necessarily but its not as fast or stable. Aug 21 16:25:50 dont carw Aug 21 16:25:54 how do I do it Aug 21 16:26:21 the Chroot page has a loopfs version Aug 21 16:28:53 hmm Aug 21 16:29:14 have to fix my prepared first Aug 21 16:29:21 preware* Aug 21 16:29:24 autofix Aug 21 16:31:29 can I take a screenshot for you guys Aug 21 16:31:53 you can diagnose preware, dunno wtf is going on Aug 21 16:32:09 have testing feed enabled Aug 21 16:33:23 how can I take a screen shot? Aug 21 16:34:39 powerbutton+home iirc Aug 21 16:37:29 kk Aug 21 16:37:33 uploading Aug 21 16:37:42 I see navit maps Aug 21 16:37:51 I know thats testing feeds Aug 21 16:39:27 someone willing to look, could you provide me with your email so I can send images? Aug 21 16:39:54 just upload to imgur or something Aug 21 16:40:30 cant Aug 21 16:40:32 I'm on tp Aug 21 16:41:03 photobucket? Aug 21 16:41:28 facebook synergy? Aug 21 16:41:49 no fb Aug 21 16:41:55 I wish imgur or something similar was in synergy Aug 21 16:42:00 is there a PB app? Aug 21 16:42:03 box.net? Aug 21 16:42:15 or just USB mode it Aug 21 16:42:19 PB is in synergy Aug 21 16:42:19 box Aug 21 16:42:25 brb Aug 21 16:47:15 how do I copy link? Aug 21 16:47:25 from box.net Aug 21 16:47:28 to here Aug 21 16:47:45 hey anyone know how to put preware on pixi plus with linus im doin it right now but i wanna make sure im doing it right Aug 21 16:47:57 ment linux Aug 21 16:48:04 put it in devmode Aug 21 16:48:33 where did ubuntuchroot go in 3.0.2's preware? Aug 21 16:48:35 got that Aug 21 16:48:58 webos quick install can be used on Linux I think Aug 21 16:49:00 i mean i did that whats next Aug 21 16:49:03 but j have to go Aug 21 16:49:10 crimsonredmk: it's under linux applications Aug 21 16:49:12 install novacom Aug 21 16:49:15 not for me Aug 21 16:49:50 sk0rg3, install novacom and then use terminal to wget palm-install the preware.ipk onto the device Aug 21 16:49:53 idk how to use webos qiuckinstall in linux Aug 21 16:49:55 i don't have an ubuntu chroot package O.o Aug 21 16:50:37 abyssul can i PM you Aug 21 16:50:45 crimsonredmk I cant find ubuntuchroot in 3.0.2 preware either Aug 21 16:50:46 mmhm Aug 21 16:50:55 boo :( Aug 21 16:51:06 neither can I find xecutah Aug 21 16:51:14 dunno whags up Aug 21 16:52:02 I just installed ubuntu chroot from preware, lol.. Aug 21 16:52:30 rrix Aug 21 16:52:32 I cant Aug 21 16:52:36 I'm leaving Aug 21 16:52:42 neither can i Aug 21 16:52:42 be back jn 2 hours Aug 21 16:52:47 I'll need help thrn Aug 21 16:52:51 adios Aug 21 16:53:18 interesting Aug 21 16:53:27 * rrix ponders going back to sleep Aug 21 16:53:33 waking up at 7am on a sunday is not my idea of fun Aug 21 16:56:34 lol at quit message Aug 21 17:07:21 ah, you need to enable the testing feed for ubuntuchroot Aug 21 17:07:41 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Aug 21 17:07:45 ummm yeah? lol Aug 21 17:09:07 i'm going to make an archlinuxarm chroot package in that case Aug 21 17:09:29 nice Aug 21 17:24:59 hi Aug 21 17:29:40 who got a preware pixi plus and got linux Aug 21 17:52:10 yay, i got started on https://github.com/crimsonredmk/ArchLinuxARM-Chroot-TouchPad Aug 21 17:52:25 but now time for lunch so bbl, hope to finish that today Aug 21 17:52:54 * SoulShadow waves Aug 21 17:53:13 just bought a 32GB touchpad :3 Aug 21 17:58:06 SoulShadow: where? Aug 21 17:58:16 define 'just' Aug 21 17:58:16 hp direct Aug 21 17:58:22 as in...about an hour ago Aug 21 17:58:29 it's still available on hp's SMB website Aug 21 17:58:31 32GB Aug 21 17:59:01 I was able to get mine from Wal-Mart in store pickup Aug 21 17:59:24 i wanted the $99 16GB but it's sold out everywhere Aug 21 17:59:30 the 32GB was still there so i just picked that up instead Aug 21 18:00:47 SoulShadow, link? i see it sold out Aug 21 18:00:57 small business section jacques Aug 21 18:00:59 err Jack87 Aug 21 18:01:14 and use IE to navigate Aug 21 18:01:20 chrome/ff keep crashing the hp website for me Aug 21 18:01:32 ah Aug 21 18:01:51 * Jack87 is on ubuntu no ie Aug 21 18:01:56 oo... Virtual box Aug 21 18:03:08 jacques, ^ try with ie Aug 21 18:03:23 http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/us/en/tablet/touchpad-availability.html Aug 21 18:03:39 url for HP notifacations Aug 21 18:03:44 SoulShadow, hehe it was a vbscript error. i guess ie would handel that well Aug 21 18:04:27 Jack87: yup Aug 21 18:04:31 IE managed to get through it all Aug 21 18:04:37 firefox got owned by that error Aug 21 18:04:42 SoulShadow, without a hitch? Aug 21 18:05:09 yeah Aug 21 18:05:10 just slow Aug 21 18:05:11 it took me a few hours and many tries but i got through it last night with chrome. it was horrible Aug 21 18:05:24 it just flowed in ie8 Aug 21 18:05:27 ie9 had some glitches Aug 21 18:06:45 * Jack87 is running ie 6 in winxp virtual box hehe Aug 21 18:06:47 no tabs Aug 21 18:08:08 wow ie is slow! Aug 21 18:10:34 ie6 not liking it. oh well i give up Aug 21 18:25:00 oh hello Aug 21 18:25:04 whos here Aug 21 18:31:18 noboday ;-) Aug 21 18:32:51 is IE a windows thing? Aug 21 18:32:57 I don't have windows Aug 21 18:33:32 IE… Internet Explorer Aug 21 18:33:33 rap Aug 21 18:33:34 Crap Aug 21 18:34:56 eh i tried it in ie and and got less then firefox and chrome Aug 21 18:35:01 but i am on ie6 Aug 21 18:35:36 why are you on ie6 Aug 21 18:35:54 ie8 is installable on XP Aug 21 18:40:50 SoulShadow, because i never use windows haha Aug 21 18:43:22 32's are sold out now anyway Aug 21 18:44:11 use a page change detector :) Aug 21 18:44:41 lol, even signing up for notifications of new stock takes forever Aug 21 18:44:57 or maybe won't even go through Aug 21 18:45:39 Hey, Jack87 reccomended that I come in here. I just got a touchpad and when i try to use novaterm, i get unable to find device. When i try to start the daemon manually, I get http://pastebin.com/c4P4Pbmi Aug 21 18:46:32 this is realy reducing my opinion of HP's enterprise expertise Aug 21 18:47:05 what i'd love is if someone could hack a way to get the touchpad's sms/call linking to work on android Aug 21 18:47:18 since very few people have a palm smartphone Aug 21 18:48:12 "Microsoft exec says PC 'not even middle-aged,' rejects post-PC label" lol, this is the company which thought the internet was a fad and didn't have a TCP stack in windows until 1995 Aug 21 18:48:58 Gates thought the internet would never go anywhere, then his ghost-written book made it look like he knew it all along Aug 21 18:49:44 there's no post-pc era imo Aug 21 18:49:50 because obviously, we're still using pc's. Aug 21 18:50:16 I believe we are in the post-pc era Aug 21 18:50:33 post-pc era implies we don't use personal computers anymore Aug 21 18:50:34 jacques any idea about sailerboy's error ^ Aug 21 18:50:40 no it doesn't Aug 21 18:50:42 smartphones, tablets, laptops, desktops are all PC's Aug 21 18:50:58 definition games then Aug 21 18:51:04 no they are not Aug 21 18:51:10 in that context PC means desktop or laptop Aug 21 18:51:38 and more people have desktops/laptops than smartphones/tablets Aug 21 18:52:08 SoulShadow, I believe more smartphones and tablets are eing sold now than desktops and laptops Aug 21 18:52:16 which is the tipping point Aug 21 18:52:26 i highly highly doubt that Aug 21 18:52:34 just because Jobs said it, doesn't make it wrong :-) Aug 21 18:52:40 I have 0, finally have a confirmation on the 32gb from friday Aug 21 18:52:45 jacques, any idea for my problem? Aug 21 18:52:47 been sorta looking for a 16 Aug 21 18:53:06 dwc-: i was looking for a 16 too but if igured might as well get the 32 Aug 21 18:53:09 due to no sd card slot Aug 21 18:53:19 box.net 50gb! Aug 21 18:53:34 that too Aug 21 18:53:48 that anyg ood, anyway? i've not used box.net yet Aug 21 18:54:11 sailerboy, did you try rebooting both computer and touchpad? haha sometimes a magical reboot helps Aug 21 18:54:23 Jack87, yep Aug 21 18:57:35 sailerboy, is this error on linux? Aug 21 18:57:48 jacques, yep Aug 21 18:57:49 Arch Aug 21 18:58:01 maybe permissions? are you running novacomd as root? Aug 21 18:58:21 anyone know if there is a patch to remove the "weeee" sound effect Aug 21 18:58:23 jacques, yep Aug 21 18:58:24 errno 9 is EBADF Bad file number Aug 21 18:58:24 nothing but bullshit in #webos Aug 21 18:59:00 Ger, yes turn the device the other direction :) Aug 21 18:59:09 sailerboy, I would like to see your messages log from when you attach the tp to when you try to talk to it with novacom Aug 21 18:59:10 haha other then that no i dont think anyone has messed with it Aug 21 18:59:19 most people swipe up to close cards Aug 21 18:59:36 would kinda suck if it was compiled into luna :-\ Aug 21 18:59:44 but then the keyboard layouts are so... :-( Aug 21 19:01:45 jacques, sorry it took so long Aug 21 19:01:45 http://pastebin.com/S4dNFNAz Aug 21 19:03:39 sailerboy, hmm, -71 Aug 21 19:03:44 EPROTO IIRC Aug 21 19:03:59 could mean lots of things, bad cable, bad USB port, bad device Aug 21 19:04:20 how many times have you tried unplugging and re-plugging the tp? have you tried multiple USB ports? Aug 21 19:05:07 (BTW I've seen EPROTOs caused by all of the above) Aug 21 19:06:34 Jack87, i've tried unplugging and replugging it dozens of time Aug 21 19:06:36 3 usb cables Aug 21 19:06:37 5 usb ports Aug 21 19:08:11 and rebooted? Aug 21 19:08:26 sailerboy, argh then Aug 21 19:08:37 dwc-, and rebooted Aug 21 19:08:41 sailerboy, and you have dev mode enabled on the tp? Aug 21 19:09:18 jacques, yep Aug 21 19:09:36 can you try a different PC ? Aug 21 19:09:54 all these fuckers wanna just port android on to the touchpad ASSHOLES! Aug 21 19:11:04 ziplock503, pity them, they don't know any better Aug 21 19:11:16 but then, there are a lot more apps on android Aug 21 19:12:03 for me webOS has all the apps I need, I just don't get it for what people need all those 100+ apps they have installed :) Aug 21 19:12:21 quality > quantity Aug 21 19:12:26 ziplock503, i know i know. but before they can do so. they need to understand webos. so better to help em understand it and perhaps gain talented developers and more exposure to it Aug 21 19:12:53 hum... is mac better or windows? Aug 21 19:13:02 if they understood webos and compared it to android, they might say "wow, webos >> android" Aug 21 19:13:15 Jack87: lol talented devs, have you seen droid apps ;) Aug 21 19:13:17 Jack87, hmm, let me think ... :-) Aug 21 19:13:28 mac has a very limited amount of software vs windows :) so windows is much superior to mac of course. Aug 21 19:13:47 PuffTheMagic, haha dont blame the devs blame android Aug 21 19:13:49 well ... ... android has netflix :-D Aug 21 19:14:13 don't blame the dev(elop)er, blame the OS Aug 21 19:14:22 Jack87, funny :-) Aug 21 19:14:32 :) Aug 21 19:14:41 sailerboy, how is it going Aug 21 19:14:48 Jack87, a different computer didn't work Aug 21 19:14:51 (also Arch) Aug 21 19:14:52 :-\ Aug 21 19:15:04 jacques, do you think you could provide me with your libusb library? Aug 21 19:15:06 that you know works Aug 21 19:15:06 sailerboy, are your arch installs recent? like which kernel version? Aug 21 19:16:26 jacques, 3.0 Aug 21 19:16:44 hmm, that is recent Aug 21 19:17:18 jacques, indeed it is Aug 21 19:19:18 sailerboy, I have libusb-0.1.12 but I'm on 64-bit gentoo, not sure if it would work for you Aug 21 19:19:34 jacques, arch's packages are usually vanilla Aug 21 19:19:41 so assuming gentoo didn't fuck something up, it should be fine Aug 21 19:20:39 and just to double check, you have the correct 32/64-bit novacom Aug 21 19:20:48 afaik Aug 21 19:21:10 dwc-, how would i know what version is right or wrong? Aug 21 19:21:11 it would fail at link-time if that was the case Aug 21 19:21:31 what's up? Aug 21 19:22:34 ooh Aug 21 19:22:39 there was another novacom package for arch Aug 21 19:22:41 i just installed it Aug 21 19:22:46 no more errors from novacomd Aug 21 19:22:57 still unable to find device :( Aug 21 19:23:00 lol nice Aug 21 19:23:21 sailerboy, what do the logs look like now? Aug 21 19:23:57 jacques, actually, i get a different error Aug 21 19:23:59 that works lol Aug 21 19:24:26 jacques, http://pastebin.com/rqksmc0S Aug 21 19:24:30 it's not working Aug 21 19:25:30 hey, no that webos-internals.org is being overloaded with traffic, do you guys need extra donations? Aug 21 19:25:44 *now that Aug 21 19:26:00 sailerboy, how does messages log look now? Aug 21 19:26:09 jacques, from dmesg right? Aug 21 19:26:26 well, not overloaded Aug 21 19:26:32 more like very busy Aug 21 19:26:41 sailerboy, last 100 lines of /var/log/messages (if your distro has that) would be better Aug 21 19:27:12 http://pastebin.com/a4keRRqq Aug 21 19:29:05 the low speed device thing is a bad sign Aug 21 19:29:17 how would i fix it? Aug 21 19:29:23 assuming your plugging into a usb2.0 port Aug 21 19:29:28 yep Aug 21 19:29:32 s/r/'re/ Aug 21 19:29:33 jacques meant: assuming you're plugging into a usb2.0 port Aug 21 19:29:42 heh Aug 21 19:29:50 nice helpful bot Aug 21 19:30:08 mikedep333, PM rwhitby Aug 21 19:30:20 it could mean USB driver problem, but a lot of times it's hardware :-\ Aug 21 19:30:35 jacques, so my touchpad is bad? Aug 21 19:30:49 sailerboy, you've tried known good USB cables? Aug 21 19:30:55 jacques, yep Aug 21 19:31:21 jacques, it works fine in usb storage mode Aug 21 19:31:26 are you plugging into a hub or directly to root USB port? Aug 21 19:31:34 sailerboy, i wouldnt rule out bad till you try a different OS Aug 21 19:31:37 sailerboy, that's interesting Aug 21 19:31:48 jacques, root Aug 21 19:31:57 sailerboy, you are in developer mode we concluded right? Aug 21 19:32:03 Jack87, yep Aug 21 19:32:11 upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart Aug 21 19:32:18 Jack87, what? Aug 21 19:32:33 type that in the just type section of your touchpad Aug 21 19:32:42 upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart Aug 21 19:32:52 I agree with Jack87, try a different OS/distro, because I am not familiar with Arch Aug 21 19:33:02 lol, or webos20090606 Aug 21 19:33:16 hehe or you can do what jacques said because its shorter Aug 21 19:33:27 but i like upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart :) Aug 21 19:33:40 lol Aug 21 19:33:43 make me feel like i am doing a cheat code from when i was 12 Aug 21 19:33:44 um Aug 21 19:33:45 it says on Aug 21 19:33:52 ok just wanted to make sure Aug 21 19:33:52 should i set a password Aug 21 19:33:53 CONTRA Aug 21 19:33:53 ? Aug 21 19:34:00 nah Aug 21 19:34:18 ya if i were you i would try ubuntu in a vmbox or something Aug 21 19:34:24 I agree Aug 21 19:34:25 jacques, so could you send me your libusb? Aug 21 19:34:27 just to try it out? Aug 21 19:34:37 sailerboy, how should I get it to you? Aug 21 19:34:44 localhostr.com Aug 21 19:36:01 oh, new updates Aug 21 19:36:07 lemme restart after those are installed Aug 21 19:36:08 see what happens Aug 21 19:36:13 sailerboy, PM'd Aug 21 19:36:43 thanks jacques Aug 21 19:36:55 np Aug 21 19:37:53 alright Aug 21 19:37:54 quick question Aug 21 19:38:06 shit nevermind Aug 21 19:38:39 u can by pass activation screen Aug 21 19:39:06 not really Aug 21 19:39:11 i need the app catalog Aug 21 19:39:20 really i just want the spotify ipk and i cant get that on the touchpad Aug 21 19:39:52 oh Aug 21 19:40:01 Ger, install imposta from preware Aug 21 19:40:01 i can get the app working on touchpad Aug 21 19:40:02 and its free Aug 21 19:40:10 and you should be able to pull off the app catalog Aug 21 19:40:15 didnt work on touchpad Aug 21 19:40:17 gave it a try, no go Aug 21 19:40:25 he means on your pre Aug 21 19:40:36 bypass then get impostah Aug 21 19:40:54 kk will do Aug 21 19:43:26 jacques, could you give me the libusb again? Aug 21 19:43:32 i lost it :( Aug 21 19:43:42 you can't re-download it? Aug 21 19:43:50 i lost the link Aug 21 19:44:01 PM'd Aug 21 19:44:02 i just restarted Aug 21 19:44:05 thanks Aug 21 19:44:21 when modifying the rootfs for a webos doctor image, do I have to update the md5sums file or is that done by meta doctor? Aug 21 19:45:39 jacques, that works Aug 21 19:45:41 thanks Aug 21 19:45:57 sailerboy, novacomd is working for you now? Aug 21 19:46:01 yep Aug 21 19:46:06 Jack87, i got it to work Aug 21 19:46:09 thanks for your help too Aug 21 19:46:14 that's great but I am a bit suprised Aug 21 19:46:27 jacques, now you know how to help someone with my problem ;) Aug 21 19:46:41 I know one more thing to try :-) Aug 21 19:48:22 jacques, what are some cool things i can do with a rooted touchpad now? Aug 21 19:49:38 sailerboy, awesome Aug 21 19:49:41 enjoy youll have fun' Aug 21 19:49:48 sailerboy: anything your heart desires. or close to it. Aug 21 19:49:54 sailerboy, question whats your plans on it? Aug 21 19:49:55 elpollodiablo1, can I run crysis on it? Aug 21 19:50:03 lol Aug 21 19:50:11 Jack87, idk Aug 21 19:50:29 is it open source or compiled for armv7? Aug 21 19:50:30 sailerboy, if you dont mind maybe you can document it on the wiki Aug 21 19:50:32 i know with android, i can overclock, install custom roms, install sshd, ftpd, etc... Aug 21 19:50:34 webos-internals.org Aug 21 19:50:45 elpollodiablo1, surely you know what crysis is Aug 21 19:50:46 lol Aug 21 19:50:49 yep use preware for all of that Aug 21 19:51:17 preware has installs for ssh and patches and overclocking kernels and so on Aug 21 19:51:22 ooh Aug 21 19:51:22 there are packages for most of that already in preware Aug 21 19:51:23 but.. Aug 21 19:51:24 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Optware Aug 21 19:51:31 that gives you an idea of what it can do when rooted Aug 21 19:51:36 in serious news, my new laptop with the intel HD graphics 3000 CAN run crysis at 1366x768 & mostly medium detail settings Aug 21 19:51:50 at a decent framerate Aug 21 19:52:05 mikedep333, wow im impressed with an intel graphics Aug 21 19:52:06 I should probably install preware Aug 21 19:52:13 sailerboy, preware is a must Aug 21 19:52:18 that is a good idea Aug 21 19:52:25 Jack87, yeah, it's the Intel HD graphics 3000 specifically Aug 21 19:52:25 sailerboy, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Preware Aug 21 19:52:26 what's the easiest way to install it on linux? Aug 21 19:52:29 heck with root access you can even install ubuntu on it Aug 21 19:52:40 elpollodiablo1, it'd be a chroot Aug 21 19:52:42 sailerboy, i like to run.. Aug 21 19:52:48 and i'd rather install slackware Aug 21 19:52:56 sailerboy: well yeah correct Aug 21 19:53:03 cd /tmp Aug 21 19:53:03 wget http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/preware-bootstrap.sh Aug 21 19:53:03 sh preware-bootstrap Aug 21 19:53:20 lol, a CLI distro on the touchpad Aug 21 19:53:25 but thats not really maintained. (although i have had 0 issues with it) Aug 21 19:53:33 mikedep333, you consider slackware to be a cli distro? Aug 21 19:53:34 why? Aug 21 19:53:45 sailerboy, doesn't it install like nothing by default? Aug 21 19:53:50 mikedep333, you're thinking of arch Aug 21 19:53:56 sailerboy, ok Aug 21 19:54:10 I thought slackware meant "here's the tarball, compile it yourself" Aug 21 19:54:50 mikedep333, sort of Aug 21 19:54:52 they have binary packages Aug 21 19:54:59 sailerboy, ok, gotcha Aug 21 19:54:59 but no dependancy resolution Aug 21 19:55:09 mikedep333, that's gentoo Aug 21 19:55:19 yeah, I know gentoo has portage and all Aug 21 19:55:28 sailerboy: my main app is uses is Xecutah and Xserver Aug 21 19:55:44 I thought if you wanted GNOME binaries pre-installed or whatever you would use slax or something Aug 21 19:56:06 mikedep333, slackware comes with KDE by default iirc Aug 21 19:56:11 but you can configure the install process easily Aug 21 19:56:15 sailerboy, gotcha, cool Aug 21 19:56:30 yeah, and most ARM distros don't make you use the installer Aug 21 19:56:37 rather they image the SSD (partitions) Aug 21 19:56:46 that's what efika mx's ubuntu installer does Aug 21 19:57:09 http://www.genesi-usa.com/products Aug 21 19:57:52 mikedep333, what was that TP tracker website? Aug 21 19:59:08 TP tracker website? Aug 21 19:59:18 you mean the page to see if the touchpad is in stock at your local best buy? Aug 21 19:59:32 I actually couldn't find it when I last checked Aug 21 19:59:33 Jack87, Would you like to include any alpha Preware releases for this install/update? [Y/N] Aug 21 19:59:44 I'd need to check my chrome history Aug 21 19:59:50 mikedep333, im not sure i thought you posted it Aug 21 19:59:53 and maybe my FF history Aug 21 19:59:54 Yes Aug 21 20:00:02 Jack87, i say yes? Aug 21 20:00:06 sailerboy, it doesnt matter there are not alpha/betas right now Aug 21 20:00:51 http://www.touchpadtracker.com/ Aug 21 20:00:51 Jack87, I think this is it, it is on here http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/57140/ebay.com-16gb-hp-touchpad-9.7-wifi-tablet Aug 21 20:01:01 Jack87, i need ipkg for preware right? Aug 21 20:01:02 to install it? Aug 21 20:01:10 that script does it all Aug 21 20:01:14 it's not installing it Aug 21 20:01:21 sailerboy, what is it doing Aug 21 20:01:47 http://pastebin.com/QbtjYmDD Aug 21 20:02:50 specifically this line: preware-bootstrap.sh: line 186: /usr/bin/ipkg: No such file or directory Aug 21 20:03:19 which ipkg Aug 21 20:03:22 sailerboy, you are running the script on the tp, right? Aug 21 20:03:23 and try replacing that path Aug 21 20:03:27 oh Aug 21 20:03:29 on the touchpad Aug 21 20:03:30 right Aug 21 20:03:34 wow Aug 21 20:03:35 lol Aug 21 20:03:37 "iPad 1 case clearance at Target $19. Fits Touchpad almost perfectly." Aug 21 20:03:56 sailerboy, haha ya Aug 21 20:04:10 * sailerboy crawls in a hole now Aug 21 20:04:55 ruumis, i got one from walmart a little bit ago speck or whatever it was perfect for 7 bucks on clearance Aug 21 20:05:16 http://www.amazon.com/Apple-iPad-Case-CASE-ZML-MC361ZM/dp/B003CGMQ38?t=slickdeals&tag=slickdeals Aug 21 20:05:23 sailerboy, you need... Aug 21 20:05:51 Jack87, need what? Aug 21 20:06:13 hmm Aug 21 20:06:17 the testing feeds Aug 21 20:06:18 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Aug 21 20:06:18 are there any touchpad cases Aug 21 20:06:21 that are clearance? Aug 21 20:06:24 sailerboy: http://www.amazon.com/Apple-iPad-Case-CASE-ZML-MC361ZM/dp/B003CGMQ38?t=slickdeals&tag=slickdeals Aug 21 20:06:40 follow steps for using a computer Aug 21 20:07:09 sailerboy, ya... but they are selling at full price. im going to wait till the go on clearance Aug 21 20:07:11 ruumis you actually have this and it works? Aug 21 20:07:29 ruumis, i don't want anything that has an apple logo on it Aug 21 20:07:30 EdLin: no, but a guy on #touchdroid vouches for it, as do ppl on the slickdeals thread. Aug 21 20:07:37 sailerboy: so buy an android sticker and cover it up Aug 21 20:07:55 nuu Aug 21 20:08:16 i really would like cheap HP official accessories Aug 21 20:08:19 hurry up hp Aug 21 20:09:18 is there a chrome to phone for the touchpad? Aug 21 20:09:54 no. Aug 21 20:09:58 this isn't running android :D Aug 21 20:10:18 [yet] Aug 21 20:10:32 Ger, i mean the equivilant Aug 21 20:11:25 hola Adora Aug 21 20:11:37 welcome to the crazyness Aug 21 20:11:48 wazzup gangstas Aug 21 20:12:02 howdy Adora Aug 21 20:12:10 sailerboy: check out neato Aug 21 20:12:20 might work similar to what you are looking for Aug 21 20:12:57 elpollodiablo1, that's from one phone to another Aug 21 20:13:07 oh Aug 21 20:13:18 Is Internals going to stick around and if so for how long? Considering HP's recent moves of course. Aug 21 20:13:37 I think it is from phone to TP to computer to other TP Aug 21 20:13:37 yes, and for a very long time Aug 21 20:13:38 oh, that's a paid app Aug 21 20:13:40 :| Aug 21 20:13:58 Adora, are you as clueless as the rest of us on whats going on over there? Aug 21 20:14:00 Therod, read rwhitby's recent tweets Aug 21 20:14:17 Aye, gotcha Aug 21 20:15:04 sailerboy: you can make your own and give it out freely if you would like Aug 21 20:15:15 elpollodiablo1, i may Aug 21 20:15:25 sweet! Aug 21 20:15:38 so people in the webos scene aren't as concerned about FOSS as the android guys? Aug 21 20:15:47 no. Aug 21 20:15:53 android is mostly linuxspergs Aug 21 20:16:04 webos is mostly apple-style linux guys Aug 21 20:16:08 IE: we are about user experience Aug 21 20:16:10 huh Aug 21 20:16:13 where android is the race to the bottom Aug 21 20:16:17 lol Aug 21 20:16:17 but not functionability Aug 21 20:16:17 on every level Aug 21 20:16:29 such as? Aug 21 20:16:31 Ger, so basically, if i want something to be pretty Aug 21 20:16:32 i use android Aug 21 20:16:34 no. Aug 21 20:16:36 erm Aug 21 20:16:37 touchpad Aug 21 20:16:41 webos or ios, yes Aug 21 20:16:43 if i want something to work, i use webos Aug 21 20:16:47 crap Aug 21 20:16:47 if you want spergy functionality, you use android Aug 21 20:16:48 wow Aug 21 20:16:51 sailerboy, everything done in webos internals is open sourced Aug 21 20:17:00 Jack87, even the paid apps? Aug 21 20:17:05 lol no Aug 21 20:17:08 I hope they get WebOS on the Nook Color... Aug 21 20:17:12 in webos-internals this group Aug 21 20:17:12 never. Aug 21 20:17:20 but yes many paid apps are opens sourced still Aug 21 20:17:23 pay for something for once in your life, sailerboy Aug 21 20:17:24 RavenII, me too, I have NC Aug 21 20:17:33 jacques: it would be SO awesome... Aug 21 20:17:36 even with giving away touchpads HP will lose less than google is Aug 21 20:17:37 some paid apps are open sourced Aug 21 20:17:43 android isn't profitable and never will be for google Aug 21 20:17:52 Ger, android isn't designed to be profitable Aug 21 20:17:55 the Touchpad is cool and I always wanted one (too broke to buy one)...but now that I have it....wow dude... Aug 21 20:18:03 it's designed to increase google's marketshare Aug 21 20:18:12 Eeven with giving away touchpads HP will lose less than google is Aug 21 20:18:13 oops Aug 21 20:18:13 I really really....REALLY hope this was just a stunt to get numbers and hype up...and it survives. Aug 21 20:18:16 Even with giving away touchpads HP will lose less than google is; Android will never be profitable for google. Pets.com Aug 21 20:18:42 should i install the uber kernel? Aug 21 20:18:53 sailerboy: ...device? Aug 21 20:18:58 touchpad Aug 21 20:19:05 F15c @ 1.728 Aug 21 20:19:07 flawless Aug 21 20:19:19 RavenII, not sure what that means? Aug 21 20:19:23 the uberkernel eats battery pretty badly Aug 21 20:19:28 depending on how you OC Aug 21 20:19:42 sailerboy: start googling... Aug 21 20:19:47 Ger, does it support UV too? Aug 21 20:19:48 F15c kernel... Aug 21 20:20:30 Setting the logging to minimal speeds the device by quite a bit. Aug 21 20:20:54 sailerboy, you should install Muffle System Logging, Quiet Powerd Messages, and Remove Dropped Packet Logging patches Aug 21 20:21:01 Therod, how? Aug 21 20:21:04 oh, thanks Aug 21 20:21:12 all sold out everywhere. Aug 21 20:21:18 there's also ##LOGS# Aug 21 20:21:23 ##logs# Aug 21 20:21:28 thanks again Aug 21 20:21:33 ill try that once im done with spotify Aug 21 20:21:41 but that doesn't do same thing as above patches Aug 21 20:21:41 jacques, i'll do that Aug 21 20:22:02 sailerboy, reducing the loging really improves the smoothness/responsiveness Aug 21 20:23:04 someone front page that on precentral Aug 21 20:23:08 everyone should know that Aug 21 20:23:10 holy shit this is faster Aug 21 20:23:43 jacques, how do i search? Aug 21 20:23:53 in preware Aug 21 20:24:00 the search icon Aug 21 20:24:02 upper right Aug 21 20:24:16 yeah Aug 21 20:24:26 oh, but that's only if i'm in a directory Aug 21 20:24:35 i have no idea where any of hte packages that jacques was talking about Aug 21 20:24:59 sailerboy, they are all patches Aug 21 20:25:01 in preware Aug 21 20:25:48 thanks Aug 21 20:25:52 you just open preware and start type and hit enter. don't forget to update your feeds periodicaly Aug 21 20:27:07 Therod, with what keyboard/ Aug 21 20:27:32 "rooted touchpad"? Aug 21 20:28:03 tmzt, yep? Aug 21 20:29:14 brb Aug 21 20:29:46 the dangerous downside to all muffle system logging though is you can lose some debug info if you're app developing Aug 21 20:30:10 welcome to a culture of older, wiser hackers Aug 21 20:31:07 wiser? no. Aug 21 20:31:09 older? no. Aug 21 20:31:15 grow up. you aren't better than another scene. Aug 21 20:31:38 I'm not Aug 21 20:31:48 no one in this scene is. Aug 21 20:32:05 this "scene" lol Aug 21 20:32:22 to start, I've never heard it called a 'scene' before Aug 21 20:32:29 i don't care. Aug 21 20:32:31 just people using their hardware to do what they want Aug 21 20:32:32 next. Aug 21 20:32:54 I was directed here from elsewhere, does anyone know if it's possible to set up sshfs on WebOS? Aug 21 20:32:59 Dont forget to donate. Aug 21 20:33:07 what's the make it so app? Aug 21 20:37:21 s/app/patch/ Aug 21 20:37:43 changes "Just Type" in card view to "Make it so" Aug 21 20:37:52 where are installed apps stored on 2.x? Aug 21 20:37:52 dont see them in /var/usr/ which is where i think they used to be Aug 21 20:38:01 more of an internals question so copy and pasted Aug 21 20:38:14 /usr/palm/applications Aug 21 20:38:20 (for stock apps) Aug 21 20:38:21 Hey MTW Aug 21 20:38:26 hai Aug 21 20:38:37 /media/cryptofs/ for insatlled apps Aug 21 20:38:46 found it, thanks Aug 21 20:38:49 cryptofs? seriously? Aug 21 20:39:22 what's the big deal? Aug 21 20:39:32 well...is it encrypted? Aug 21 20:40:06 maybe? it's mounted so much of the time, though, in dev mode it doesn't really matter - my impression, at least Aug 21 20:40:11 I don't know what the reasoning is Aug 21 20:41:09 think it's mounted from /media/internal/.palm Aug 21 20:41:33 and part of the idea is to allow layering a linux-friendly filesystem on top of a usb-drive friendly filesystem Aug 21 20:41:37 or at least that was my understanding Aug 21 20:41:47 ah. Aug 21 20:41:50 thank. Aug 21 20:44:41 So wait, can I go buy a Pre 2 for dirt cheap?...or Pre 3? Aug 21 20:44:48 shit wrong channel Aug 21 20:44:52 no wait, right channel Aug 21 20:44:59 what is rod's twitter tag? Aug 21 20:45:23 webosinternals Aug 21 20:45:34 Ahh thanks. Aug 21 20:54:58 pre2 sold out at $49 Aug 21 20:55:16 Geez Aug 21 20:55:24 The slickdeals thread is at 500 pages Aug 21 20:56:04 crazyness Aug 21 20:56:15 since this morning... Aug 21 20:56:18 Abyssul: it wrapped around at least once? Aug 21 20:56:19 haha yeah Aug 21 20:56:31 Im following it in hopes of getting two TP's Aug 21 20:56:46 im just waiting for the next load at hp.com :( Aug 21 20:57:33 sailerboy, how are you liking your new toy Aug 21 20:58:22 RavenII, nice to see you with a webos device Aug 21 20:58:23 How annoying is the influx of new TP users? Aug 21 20:58:47 Jack87: The pre was unbearable...but the Touchpad?...that I could dig... Aug 21 20:59:26 Going from a big assed Evo to a Pre wasn't easy...Going from my 7" NC to the Touchpad?...easy as spending $150 Aug 21 20:59:47 Icehawk78, its nice to see the community grow. even if they get it to port android. and discover webos in the process Aug 21 20:59:51 Evo feels awkward in my hand Aug 21 21:00:23 evo vs pre is a pain in the ass. but evo vs pre2... pre2 for the win for me Aug 21 21:00:28 Icehawk78: why would it be annoying...it's actually a GOOD thing...this is what HP needed (wanted?) all the time Aug 21 21:00:39 Jack87: no wayy, seriously? Aug 21 21:00:48 RavenII: Eh, new users are usually dumb. Aug 21 21:00:51 Abyssul: yeah, me too as first....then I got used to it... Aug 21 21:00:58 Icehawk78: you were at one point too Aug 21 21:01:04 don't be a rwhitby about it Aug 21 21:01:10 RavenII, with webos i cant be happy using an android phone. too spoiled Aug 21 21:01:14 I wish the TP had a split keyboard option Aug 21 21:01:16 Everyone has to learn at one point or another Aug 21 21:01:38 Icehawk78, you were a new user at some point Aug 21 21:01:44 RavenII: When it comes to WebOS, I still am! Aug 21 21:01:45 to one thing or another Aug 21 21:01:53 Exactly... Aug 21 21:01:57 I just assume that I'm the annoying noob right now Aug 21 21:02:07 the annoying part is the people not reading the wiki Aug 21 21:02:10 :) Aug 21 21:02:26 It's ok...that's why it's nice to have 150 people in here....there's 1 in 149 chance that someone will want to help you Aug 21 21:02:27 but its not too bad as a lot of people dont know about it just yet Aug 21 21:02:30 ~wiki Aug 21 21:02:38 we need to teach info bot about the wiki Aug 21 21:02:43 Jack87: there's one for the touchpad? Aug 21 21:03:02 infobot, wiki is http://webos-internals.org Aug 21 21:03:05 I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=is+http://webos-internals.org&go=Go Aug 21 21:03:16 ~botsmack Aug 21 21:03:16 OWW! Aug 21 21:03:16 RavenII, there is one for webos. Aug 21 21:03:24 Jack87: oh yeah, that I know Aug 21 21:03:27 hell yes! Aug 21 21:03:31 Got two TPs! Aug 21 21:03:35 Nice! Aug 21 21:03:37 Abyssul, where Aug 21 21:03:38 macmall? Aug 21 21:03:44 http://www.macmall.com/p/HP-Tablets/product~dpno~8806645~pdp.giddbjb Aug 21 21:03:55 Nope. thouh I saw that Aug 21 21:04:00 http://www.amazon.com/Smartbuy-TouchPad-QUALCOMM-Snapdragon-Wireless/dp/B0056UOUC8/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&m=A33Y0YQUZ2NYD5&s=electronics&qid=1313960378&sr=1-16 Aug 21 21:04:01 Abyssul, where? Aug 21 21:04:14 where is 32? Aug 21 21:04:24 http://www.amazon.com/HP-FB356UT-QUALCOMM-Snapdragon-Wireless/dp/B0056UOUHS/ref=sr_1_18?ie=UTF8&m=A33Y0YQUZ2NYD5&s=electronics&qid=1313960378&sr=1-18 Aug 21 21:04:35 wtf Aug 21 21:04:39 Hopefully I get a confirmation Aug 21 21:04:39 is that some bootleg? Aug 21 21:05:20 That's strange.... Aug 21 21:05:26 Too good to be true? Aug 21 21:08:09 has a good track record and was posted on slickdeals Aug 21 21:10:48 GO GO GO http://www.amazon.com/Smartbuy-TouchPad-QUALCOMM-Snapdragon-Wireless/dp/B0056UOUC8/ref=sr_1_16?t=slicinc-20&tag=slicinc-20&ie=UTF8&m=A33Y0YQUZ2NYD5&s=electronics&qid=1313960543&sr=1-16 Aug 21 21:11:00 Told you Aug 21 21:11:13 lol Aug 21 21:11:18 just seen that Aug 21 21:11:23 i got one for 105 Aug 21 21:11:36 I got two for 208 Aug 21 21:11:43 baller Aug 21 21:11:50 Plan on calling office depot tomorrow to get my price check refund Aug 21 21:11:51 Abyssul in #webos-internals posted the amazon link Aug 21 21:11:51 tell him thanks for me lol Aug 21 21:12:08 Your welcome whoever you are! Aug 21 21:12:18 yeah, well I got 3 for $310.81 Aug 21 21:12:19 mission complete Aug 21 21:12:23 Hopefully it ships. Aug 21 21:12:30 sweet thanks Abyssul Aug 21 21:12:32 I got it confirmed and everything Aug 21 21:12:34 I hope we can dual boot android cause I dont want 2 touchpads Aug 21 21:12:46 and i dont wanna lose my WEBOS! Aug 21 21:12:51 I already have one, the other two are for my family :) Aug 21 21:12:59 Im not trying to cheat other people or make money off this Aug 21 21:13:09 me ethier Aug 21 21:13:14 I could've easily ordered like 10 o.O Aug 21 21:13:19 ziplock503, just buy another :) or get android to run in a card Aug 21 21:13:33 Its funny to follow slickdeals Aug 21 21:13:41 If they post a link, the website crashes in a minute Aug 21 21:13:42 Abyssul, i have one.. and ordered 2 form hp smb and 1 from bb and now 2 from amazon Aug 21 21:13:52 Now I just need a Pre2... :\ Aug 21 21:14:06 Maybe I should buy another TP and trade it for a new Pre2 Aug 21 21:14:12 just bought 2 more 16gbs Aug 21 21:14:19 i paid more for my pre2 then my touchpad Aug 21 21:14:28 $200 Aug 21 21:14:46 I got mine for free :\ Aug 21 21:15:03 lucky dev phone? Aug 21 21:15:09 Yep Aug 21 21:15:14 sweet Aug 21 21:15:18 Got it in early July Aug 21 21:15:30 Didnt even know they sent it since they told me they ran out back in March Aug 21 21:16:31 now i gotta wait for the thing to get here :( Aug 21 21:17:11 hey Aug 21 21:17:56 are there any decent irc apps for webos? Aug 21 21:18:03 wIRC Aug 21 21:18:10 wIRC is the best ever Aug 21 21:18:14 It has everything Aug 21 21:18:28 but it doesn't work well with bouncers Aug 21 21:18:57 or I'm doing something wrong Aug 21 21:19:17 half tempted to order a 2nd touchpad LOL Aug 21 21:19:54 fuck it tho ill wait for my facebook contest TPs to show up (if ever) Aug 21 21:20:01 Abyssul: how'd you get them for $208 Aug 21 21:20:01 ziplock503: where ? Aug 21 21:20:06 http://www.amazon.com/Smartbuy-TouchPad-QUALCOMM-Snapdragon-Wireless/dp/B0056UOUC8/ref=sr_1_16?t=slicinc-20&tag=slicinc-20&ie=UTF8&m=A33Y0YQUZ2NYD5&s=electronics&qid=1313960543&sr=1-16 Aug 21 21:20:18 I just paid 224 from that link you posted Aug 21 21:20:34 maybe he live in tax free state? Aug 21 21:20:39 Ohhhh, yeah Aug 21 21:20:47 oregon FTW lol Aug 21 21:20:52 fuckers. Damn Illinois. I hate this pussy assed state. Aug 21 21:21:00 SC here Aug 21 21:21:04 It was tax free Aug 21 21:21:23 Gotcha....I paid $19 in tax Aug 21 21:21:28 ouch Aug 21 21:21:32 but hey, I don't care, they're not for me anyhow...they're for my buddy Aug 21 21:21:32 love going to nike store and getting Jordans tax free Aug 21 21:21:41 I bought my 32G for 146.xx Aug 21 21:21:48 From office max yesterday Aug 21 21:21:54 Items (2): $199.98 Aug 21 21:21:54 Shipping & Handling: $8.32 Aug 21 21:21:54 Total Before Tax: $208.30 Aug 21 21:21:54 Estimated Tax To Be Collected:* $16.50 Aug 21 21:21:55 Total: $224.80 Aug 21 21:21:59 I even bought my original TP tax free for $300 at OD Aug 21 21:22:07 so how do I get irc working with a bouncer on tp? Aug 21 21:22:08 i called everystore around here and they SOLD OUT for 150miles Aug 21 21:22:14 Bouncer? Aug 21 21:22:28 $228.10 Aug 21 21:22:29 Abysmal: znc Aug 21 21:22:31 Yeah, all the stores here were OOS 30 minutes after opening Aug 21 21:22:32 for 2 26's Aug 21 21:22:37 16's** Aug 21 21:23:02 Abyssul: I got mine at best buy Aug 21 21:23:08 got there at 730 Aug 21 21:23:10 PCMall.com has stock too, according to Framework Aug 21 21:23:17 I got the last 2 Aug 21 21:23:33 there were 27 Aug 21 21:23:45 okay, i have a touchpad 16gb Aug 21 21:23:48 what can i do with it? Aug 21 21:24:02 PCmall and OnSale are the same affiliate Aug 21 21:24:12 sung: everything Aug 21 21:24:24 It can be a new frisbee too Aug 21 21:24:28 onSale is out of 16gbs now LOL Aug 21 21:25:05 after 30 sec Aug 21 21:25:09 ? Aug 21 21:25:33 Thank god! Aug 21 21:25:40 I was worried that they would cancel our orders Aug 21 21:25:47 they still got 32 Aug 21 21:25:49 g Aug 21 21:25:51 Since most places run out in like... 5 seconds Aug 21 21:25:56 Funny, I bought mine yesterday from Office Max...after searching 4 other stores (Tiger, Staples, Microcenter, Costco)....THEN I find a %10 off on Computers, Tablets, and Laptops....so I go in today to have it applied...the guy tells me they shouldn't have sold them to me...they weren't supposed to Aug 21 21:26:00 Meh, 16gb is good enough for me Aug 21 21:26:03 so, uh, how do you install preware on a touchpad? Aug 21 21:26:11 the wiki doesn't seem to have information on this Aug 21 21:26:14 me2 box.net ftw Aug 21 21:26:19 sung: same way you do on a pre Aug 21 21:26:22 Sung, get the Preware Documentation app Aug 21 21:26:28 (in the App catalog) Aug 21 21:26:31 Exactly Aug 21 21:26:32 You wont regret a bit of it Aug 21 21:26:33 sung that will tell you EVERYTING Aug 21 21:26:37 EVERYTHING Aug 21 21:26:42 We mean EVERYthing Aug 21 21:26:44 (echo echo echo) Aug 21 21:26:50 and it helps keep it preware alive for a mear .99 Aug 21 21:27:16 so what about irc ? Aug 21 21:27:26 wIRC Aug 21 21:27:27 What about it sailerboy? You arnt making much sense Aug 21 21:27:33 wIRC is the app you want Aug 21 21:27:44 its in catalog or you can get it thru preware Aug 21 21:27:53 ziplock503: it won't autoopen channels on bouncer Aug 21 21:29:05 is there a way to force a non-touchpad app to full-size on touchpad Aug 21 21:29:13 MTW, yes Aug 21 21:29:26 how? :( Aug 21 21:29:27 sailerboy, Idk if wIRC has support for BNC Aug 21 21:29:46 i auto open channels on my wIRC Aug 21 21:29:58 MTW, add uiRevision: "2" to the appinfo.json of the app Aug 21 21:30:00 just have it run /join #webos on start Aug 21 21:30:03 Abysmal: it doesn't really Aug 21 21:30:11 thanks Abyssul Aug 21 21:30:23 trying that Aug 21 21:30:24 MTW, beware though. You cant go back scenes though Aug 21 21:30:32 oh. Aug 21 21:30:32 :( Aug 21 21:30:34 ziplock503: kinda defeats the point of a bouncer Aug 21 21:30:44 Since the original Pre used the back gesture, you would need a back button in its place Aug 21 21:30:47 i dont even know what a bouncer is sorry Aug 21 21:30:57 sailerboy, works fine with znc for me Aug 21 21:30:59 ziplock503, a proxy for IRC. Aug 21 21:31:02 whats the issue you are having?? Aug 21 21:31:05 oh Aug 21 21:31:10 Abyssul :( Aug 21 21:31:33 Jack87: auto opening the channels Aug 21 21:31:37 sailerboy, you can set it in the settings not to leave channel when closing an app Aug 21 21:31:51 sailerboy, to auto open add the channels you want to your favorits list Aug 21 21:32:20 I join #webos-internals and #webos on connect Aug 21 21:32:51 when you get on wirc using znc it will still connect you to all your channels just not auto open. if you add them to the favorites list and have it setup to auto open favorites you should be set Aug 21 21:33:09 yeah that worked Abyssul but i cant go back Aug 21 21:33:14 make sure you have it setup no to leave channel on closing card though Aug 21 21:33:41 Jack87: I have about a hundred freenode channels Aug 21 21:34:05 in advanced you want both dont part on close on and auto open favorites Aug 21 21:34:05 MTW, told ya Aug 21 21:34:12 why do I have to add them all to favorites? Aug 21 21:34:14 lol either add all 100 or just the ones you use most Aug 21 21:34:20 and you can /j #channel Aug 21 21:34:25 when you need to Aug 21 21:34:36 any other irc client I've used has opened it automatically Aug 21 21:34:59 cool though Aug 21 21:35:12 youll be connected to them automatically as for auto open not so much unless someone address you in them Aug 21 21:35:40 youll be in those channels just wont open em in a card if that makes sense. Aug 21 21:36:01 and besides i dunno of PuffTheMagic_ or oil use znc they are the main devs Aug 21 21:36:09 for wirc Aug 21 21:36:26 * oil uses xchat on his pc Aug 21 21:36:59 sailerboy, speaking of which... you can use xchat on your TP within chroot :) Aug 21 21:37:10 scoutcamper, ^ Aug 21 21:37:35 * scoutcamper uses it alot! Aug 21 21:37:46 eh, enyo-wirc will be the winner of that battle :) Aug 21 21:38:24 sailerboy, enyo wirc will be designed for the touchpad. as the current one is mojo wirc which was for the phones Aug 21 21:38:36 i auto open with a script /join #webos runs on start up Aug 21 21:38:49 enyo wirc will win! Aug 21 21:39:26 ziplock503, all auto open options are available in wirc Aug 21 21:40:37 * Jack87 thinks auto open for all my irc channels i use on pc would be way annoying on a mobile device Aug 21 21:40:39 thats what I use Aug 21 21:40:56 I only join 2 channels so a total of 3 cards open up Aug 21 21:41:19 ziplock503, thats what i used to do.. but now there is a favorites option :) Aug 21 21:41:35 you just add channels to your favorites in wirc and turn on auto open favorites Aug 21 21:42:22 ahh Aug 21 21:44:39 Jack87: i use bip, not znc Aug 21 21:44:46 but others in wosi use znc Aug 21 21:44:52 Im dieing for enyo wIRC Aug 21 21:44:59 and they say the new enyo version works with znc and ssl Aug 21 21:45:01 * Jack87 uses ZNC on cryptk|offline 's server Aug 21 21:45:17 PuffTheMagic, you should get on his server so you can do znc support :) Aug 21 21:45:29 it works! Aug 21 21:45:35 i know it does Aug 21 21:45:40 i have not issues with it Aug 21 21:45:45 but just for on going :) Aug 21 21:46:20 should should be nothing special needed for it Aug 21 21:46:26 the wirc in the feeds gives me problems on my phone though... when i install the one you linked me from box.net i am good Aug 21 21:47:07 Jack87: i messed up packaging the feed one Aug 21 21:47:15 and oil redid it Aug 21 21:47:16 that explains it Aug 21 21:47:19 idk if he bumped the version or not Aug 21 21:47:31 so i would grab the latest from the feed and manually install it Aug 21 21:47:34 dont use preware Aug 21 21:47:34 ill give it another go when i get a chance Aug 21 21:47:38 and see what happens Aug 21 21:47:46 copy that Aug 21 21:47:47 I heard about that on Twitter Aug 21 21:47:55 a week ago though Aug 21 21:51:57 hey, anyone have alternate ideas for installing ubuntu on webos? Aug 21 21:52:10 stupid windows wont even install ubuntu Aug 21 21:53:47 virtual machine Aug 21 21:54:32 nvm, gonna use another comcomputer Aug 21 21:58:32 this is for touchpad right ? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Aug 21 21:58:44 yes Aug 21 21:58:52 ty Aug 21 21:59:54 so, is onsale on Amazon a valid place to order a TP? Aug 21 22:00:09 thats where i got mine Aug 21 22:00:23 did you order recently? Aug 21 22:00:27 20min ago Aug 21 22:00:40 any idea why it's still in stock? Aug 21 22:00:43 if it is? Aug 21 22:00:51 amazon will tell you Aug 21 22:00:55 sold by different resellers Aug 21 22:01:00 i saw it go out of stock and then come back Aug 21 22:01:07 amazon page for me says 2 in stock Aug 21 22:01:09 2x16 Aug 21 22:01:13 i think a coupl ppl canceled cause they were scared it was not legit Aug 21 22:01:20 of course I also have 2 in my cart Aug 21 22:01:24 so maybe it's those Aug 21 22:01:39 i ordered 2 32's and 1 16 Aug 21 22:02:52 hey, i'm back Aug 21 22:03:09 so are there guides for chrooting? Aug 21 22:03:12 not just ubuntu/ Aug 21 22:03:59 not yet just http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Aug 21 22:04:14 and this for android http://liliputing.com/2011/08/hp-touchpad-afterlife-hackers-bringing-android-ubuntu-to-hps-tablet.html Aug 21 22:04:30 dont think they are done yet ... havent checked into it Aug 21 22:04:35 heh Aug 21 22:04:44 you'd think that if you can chroot ubuntu, android should be a simple matter Aug 21 22:05:13 its prob just that people just started trying to do android Aug 21 22:06:44 sailerboy: not really Aug 21 22:07:54 sailerboy, its that those of us here really have not cared much about android as webos is bad ass. ;-) Aug 21 22:08:42 dont get me wrong it be cool to have the option. but touchpad is only out since july remember? Aug 21 22:09:02 and this is a hobby for the developers here Aug 21 22:09:17 so working on ubuntu taks priority as it would be much more useful Aug 21 22:09:32 at least for most of the webos users here Aug 21 22:09:42 because... well if they wanted android they would have an android device Aug 21 22:09:56 Funny...first thing I thought when I heard about all this was..."Man!...they're going to port android on to it!!!"....now it's "...I hope they port WebOS onto my android devices!!!" Aug 21 22:10:00 but for 150 even android users want a touchpad :) Aug 21 22:10:22 But seriously...why Russell Brand?...why?! Aug 21 22:10:25 RavenII, the pre2 and the NookColor have very similar hardware Aug 21 22:10:31 so its very much possible Aug 21 22:10:38 android is the greatest thing ever created Aug 21 22:10:43 it's like linux Aug 21 22:10:44 mostly because luna is closed source Aug 21 22:11:05 tmzt, lol webos is linux :) Aug 21 22:11:11 tmzt: pardon my ignorance...because I don't keep track of the regulars...but you're kidding right?1 Aug 21 22:11:18 it open, and free Aug 21 22:11:30 Ok...now I know you're kidding... Aug 21 22:11:30 RavenII, i think he is kidding Aug 21 22:11:33 me? never :) Aug 21 22:11:35 Yeah... Aug 21 22:11:35 haha Aug 21 22:11:37 :) Aug 21 22:11:37 nice. Aug 21 22:12:18 wait until want to port wp7/mango to tp Aug 21 22:12:46 jacques: ....do you have that kicking foot of yours warmed up?...we have another blasphemer... Aug 21 22:12:46 hehe TP is definitely bigger bang for buck then nook now :) Aug 21 22:13:06 lol Aug 21 22:13:19 yeah, i was planning to get a nook color until the price fell out on the tp Aug 21 22:13:40 I've been trying to pawn off my NC on CL....no luck...shockingly... Aug 21 22:13:44 so with ubuntu, what desktop does it have? Aug 21 22:13:45 unity? Aug 21 22:13:49 then I figured, why not just keep it... Aug 21 22:14:02 sailerboy: ...normally? Gnome isn't it? Aug 21 22:14:12 RavenII, not the latest version Aug 21 22:14:16 really? Aug 21 22:14:19 and gnome3 requires a shitload of a graphics card Aug 21 22:14:33 I haven't used Ubuntu since 8.04?... Aug 21 22:14:38 I think that's what it was anyhow... Aug 21 22:14:40 could be wrong Aug 21 22:14:46 sailerboy: whatever desktop you want Aug 21 22:14:50 lxde is a good one Aug 21 22:15:23 it's not running just ubuntu, it's ubuntu in an X server in a card (like a window) Aug 21 22:15:41 ubunut is base with no extras installed you have to install desktop environments on your own Aug 21 22:16:57 tmzt, so i could install enlightenment or dwm or whatever? Aug 21 22:17:10 sure Aug 21 22:17:12 when i did that with ubuntu, it kicked up a fuss Aug 21 22:17:15 desktop edition Aug 21 22:17:27 you were doing it wrong Aug 21 22:17:28 sailerboy, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jCespaoYcc Aug 21 22:17:50 heh Aug 21 22:17:51 synergy Aug 21 22:17:55 that'd be pretty cool Aug 21 22:18:07 cryptk|offline, did it Aug 21 22:18:15 which synergy? Aug 21 22:18:53 youll see desktop environment in a bit Aug 21 22:19:16 how cool is that?! gnome! Aug 21 22:19:23 meh Aug 21 22:19:26 i'm boycotting gnome Aug 21 22:19:40 the fact that the TP can do it is bad ass! Aug 21 22:19:47 meh, KDE? Aug 21 22:19:48 lol Aug 21 22:20:41 there's no gl client support so you couldn't run an accelerated desktop very fast Aug 21 22:21:12 is there a good stylus for the TP? Aug 21 22:21:17 that is reccomended? Aug 21 22:21:28 almost all the same ones for ipad work fine Aug 21 22:21:41 what about cases and screen protectors? Aug 21 22:21:43 i think i have a targus one Aug 21 22:21:52 its too sexy for those Aug 21 22:21:52 ipad 1 cases work Aug 21 22:21:59 haha the official case is really nice Aug 21 22:22:15 wait for clearance on accessories Aug 21 22:22:33 (then again companies might want to bank on accessories now that there are half a million TP owners) Aug 21 22:22:36 Jack87: that's what I've been waiting for...but I need a skin for this thing....skinomi it is... Aug 21 22:22:51 I can't imagine that piano gloss black getting scuffed...it would look like shit Aug 21 22:24:06 i got a TP 1 case from walmart on clearance for like 7 bucks. speckel or something was the brand works good Aug 21 22:24:22 the official case though lets you use the touchstone Aug 21 22:24:27 you guys know what that is right? Aug 21 22:24:55 what's a TP1? Aug 21 22:25:03 yeah ill end up getting offical cause and touchstone soon Aug 21 22:25:05 hehe ipad1 :) Aug 21 22:25:06 the intent is to spend 100 dollars on the device and 300 on accessories Aug 21 22:25:06 case Aug 21 22:25:48 tmzt: sounds like a play right out of the nintendo playbook Aug 21 22:26:09 buy nintendo wii, go broke buying accessories Aug 21 22:26:23 more like xbox Aug 21 22:26:46 ps3 i can use a laptop HDD ... but xbox you gotta buy THERE hdd lol Aug 21 22:27:37 * Jack87 wonders if walmart will add accessories to clearence before others Aug 21 22:28:12 just keep in mind the pre touchstone was 69 now places have it for 5-10 bucks Aug 21 22:28:42 ziplock503, keep in mind this is 2 years later Aug 21 22:29:03 * Jack87 bought pre TS for 30 bucks on amazon (maybe a pricing error when it was new) to mount in my car Aug 21 22:29:15 also they say palm on it Aug 21 22:29:24 so hp was getting ride of palm branded stuff im guessing Aug 21 22:29:32 i got a bundle for 7 car chager and touchstone Aug 21 22:29:52 i own 3 touchstones lol Aug 21 22:29:58 * Jack87 needs another car charger for motorcycle Aug 21 22:30:13 * Jack87 lost count of his touchstones Aug 21 22:33:41 Jack87: some people got ops over there, now just need cluez Aug 21 22:34:34 lol Aug 21 22:34:42 Have you guys seen this yet? Aug 21 22:34:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbYX0-5fddM Aug 21 22:34:54 javispedro ported it to his n9 Aug 21 22:35:05 n900 Aug 21 22:35:11 nice! Aug 21 22:35:28 n900 :) Aug 21 22:35:41 what about the gesture area? Aug 21 22:35:47 hey, if i use the metadoctor Aug 21 22:35:48 you can see it on the video Aug 21 22:35:53 will that erase my touchpad? Aug 21 22:35:56 what is the correct command to start novacomd in linux? Aug 21 22:36:06 oh shit it does have gesture Aug 21 22:37:44 rod is there any way the wiki can read the current version from the webos internals feed for an app? Aug 21 22:37:54 so we don't have to go into the wiki and update the version number everytime Aug 21 22:37:59 or like have a feed of a changelog on the wiki Aug 21 22:40:08 just no keyboard Aug 21 22:42:36 Jack87: really?...touchstone huh? Aug 21 22:43:07 I kinda feel like a scavenging vulture, just picking away at a slowly dying animal... Aug 21 22:43:17 haha Aug 21 22:43:45 any keyboard cases for the touchpad? Aug 21 22:43:55 now THAT would be cool... Aug 21 22:46:30 sailerboy, not that i seen Aug 21 22:46:36 i would imagine a ipad 1 one might work Aug 21 22:49:54 anyone interested in helping out updating the webos internals wiki? Aug 21 22:50:04 are the domensions the same as the ipad1? Aug 21 22:50:06 Jake_M, i'll help a bit Aug 21 22:50:10 twitter handle? Aug 21 22:50:13 Jake_M: what needs updated? Aug 21 22:50:16 everything Aug 21 22:50:19 xsailerx Aug 21 22:50:30 Jake_M, i don't check twitter that often though Aug 21 22:51:24 i just need something to communicate what we're going to do Aug 21 22:51:27 and how we're going to do it Aug 21 22:52:13 Jake_M, i've actually gotta go pretty soon though Aug 21 22:52:17 so maybe i'm not the best candidate Aug 21 22:52:18 it doesn't have to be now Aug 21 22:52:35 this is just a team to have a big push to update stuff on the wiki in a soonish timeframe Aug 21 22:52:45 and we won't be a dedicated team Aug 21 22:52:50 heh Aug 21 22:52:52 i just know that a LOT of articles need a LOT of minor changes Aug 21 22:53:22 I don't want to commit to anything Aug 21 22:53:32 but i'll follow you and help when i can Aug 21 22:53:43 sailerboy, you can write a page on how you got it to work in arch Aug 21 22:53:54 Jack87, when i get it to work in arch Aug 21 22:53:56 lol Aug 21 22:54:09 oh lol what did you get it running in? Aug 21 22:54:24 right now, i realized i had to install meta-doctor Aug 21 22:54:28 to even be able to chroot Aug 21 22:54:32 so right now, nada Aug 21 22:54:43 gotcha Aug 21 22:55:00 I don't have any of my apps anymore Aug 21 22:55:22 i wish precentral had a good backup Aug 21 22:55:23 sailerboy thats perfectly fine. Aug 21 22:55:29 The Kev Master received info from someone inside HP that it intends to announce on Monday morning that it will resume development of WebOS, encouraged by the weekend sales of its Touchpad tablets. Aug 21 22:55:29 He knows that if such is true, HP has pulled one of the biggest ever marketing coup. Aug 21 22:55:29 He thinks that its very likely that the WebOS will be spun-off as a separate division owned by HP. Aug 21 22:55:45 coup detat Aug 21 22:56:53 oh joy Aug 21 22:56:56 i get another problem with novaterm Aug 21 22:57:03 what now\ Aug 21 22:57:29 Framework: who is "The Kev Master"? Aug 21 22:57:58 Jack87, i did the metadoctor Aug 21 22:58:02 and now novaterm works no longer Aug 21 22:58:24 are you in dev mode? Aug 21 22:58:35 did you tell meta doctor to automatically turn on dev mode? Aug 21 22:58:38 Jack87, oh right Aug 21 22:58:40 dev mode Aug 21 22:58:42 :) Aug 21 22:58:43 Jack87, how do i do that? Aug 21 22:58:53 upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart Aug 21 22:58:56 or meta doctor? Aug 21 22:59:14 edit the make file in the meta doctor before you run make will make a webos doctor that will turn on devmode for you Aug 21 22:59:30 so i have to reinstall webos AGAIN? Aug 21 22:59:32 your not going to do that now.. haha but for future reference Aug 21 22:59:36 no no no Aug 21 22:59:41 just type in the just type field Aug 21 22:59:41 * sailerboy seeths Aug 21 22:59:47 what's the shorter one? Aug 21 22:59:51 upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart Aug 21 22:59:55 haha i dont remember it Aug 21 22:59:58 fuck you Aug 21 23:00:00 release day of the palm pre Aug 21 23:00:48 * sailerboy gives Jack87 the finger Aug 21 23:00:50 lol Aug 21 23:00:58 webos20090606 Aug 21 23:01:01 :) Aug 21 23:01:05 oh, now you tell me Aug 21 23:01:05 lol Aug 21 23:01:15 hehe great timing Aug 21 23:01:31 fine, what's the way to install pre central the super easy way again? Aug 21 23:01:42 preware? Aug 21 23:01:46 wdtz Aug 21 23:01:50 ya Aug 21 23:01:50 hi can you help on webOS font Aug 21 23:01:51 preware Aug 21 23:01:52 that's what i meant Aug 21 23:02:21 I want to add some font for the browser Aug 21 23:02:23 pmed you the commands Aug 21 23:02:38 but my touchpad went freezing Aug 21 23:02:38 Jake_M: hmm? Aug 21 23:02:42 i just tweeted you Aug 21 23:02:43 lol Aug 21 23:03:00 http://twitter.com/#!/JakeMorrison24/status/105413754220576768 Aug 21 23:03:05 by the way next time you make a webos doctor you can make it install preware for you as well as the testing feeds Aug 21 23:03:16 using meta doctor of course Aug 21 23:03:17 I want some utf8 Unicode font Aug 21 23:03:56 can anyone help? Aug 21 23:03:57 Jake_M, if you mention me, i'll get an email alert Aug 21 23:04:03 so i'll see that Aug 21 23:04:03 roger that Aug 21 23:04:13 Jake_M: responded, lol. Aug 21 23:04:28 thanks man Aug 21 23:04:45 any patch from prepare can do that? Aug 21 23:06:45 anyone can help for the font? Aug 21 23:06:53 plzzzzzz Aug 21 23:07:09 NuttyBunny_Pre2 have you been able to order one yet Aug 21 23:07:20 there is a seller on amazon that seems to still have them Aug 21 23:07:36 i think they're out Aug 21 23:08:41 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0056UOUC8/kossshomethea-20/ Aug 21 23:08:45 shows instock Aug 21 23:09:18 not yet, I'll have to check on it later :( Aug 21 23:09:49 amazon mobile! Aug 21 23:12:07 nutty: having trouble finding stock, or that will ship to mx? Aug 21 23:13:30 i better go Aug 21 23:13:32 its been fun Aug 22 00:05:37 Jack87|Away: FYI: preware auto-install is not reliable. best to just palm-install afterwards. Aug 22 00:11:05 When I used it, it just installed after 10 minutes of booting. Got a funny notification banner but it was there working Aug 22 00:11:40 yeah, it gets added to the queue Aug 22 00:15:56 YESSSSS, i got my confirmation email from HP Aug 22 00:16:05 nice Aug 22 00:35:10 Does the OC Kernel on Preware have FUSE support? Aug 22 00:36:15 Icehawk78, which device? Aug 22 00:43:39 Icehawk78: all webOS kernels have fuse, since that's how cryptofs is done Aug 22 00:49:22 so there is a way to get ubuntu running on a touchpad? Aug 22 00:49:44 anyone have the URL handy? I'm trying to find it in the wiki... but my search-fu is horrid tonight Aug 22 00:53:44 ahHA! Aug 22 00:53:47 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Aug 22 01:03:29 Ohai thar Aug 22 01:23:42 anyone know why ink Aug 22 01:24:35 why I keep getting an invalid or missingbfilename Aug 22 01:25:00 missing filename parameter **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 01:29:03 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 01:29:34 2011 Aug 22 01:31:27 So, is it possible go change the format of the USB mountable storage area? Fat32 really cramps ones large-file-style. Aug 22 01:32:26 so i have a basic question. is there any way to change the tablet to pull from the feeds as a phone(similar to changing the build prop for android devices when accessing the market)? Im looking to play some emulators =) Aug 22 01:33:22 krox, you should be able to run those, but they might be in a small window Aug 22 01:34:00 jacques, the my problem is they are not showing up in the list for me in any capacity =/ Aug 22 01:35:00 krox, is this app cat or preware? Aug 22 01:35:47 both actually. i found one emu in app cat, but nothing else Aug 22 01:37:46 krox, I'm not sure :-\ Aug 22 01:37:56 I thought everything would show up Aug 22 01:38:28 krox, do you have a specific example of an emu that's not showing up for you on preware? I can check mine Aug 22 01:38:58 i did as well. As I understand, it simply shows the tag of "tablet" on the optimized apps. I am unable to find visualboy advance anywhere Aug 22 01:40:04 krox: you lookin for visualboy-- Aug 22 01:40:04 haha Aug 22 01:40:19 yeah, it's not been officially updated yet, so it doesn't work quite yet :/ Aug 22 01:40:25 did i miss something? Aug 22 01:40:37 oh i see. thanks for clearing that up =) Aug 22 01:40:49 yeah it's not showing for me either Aug 22 01:41:01 dtzWill did the vba port Aug 22 01:42:58 really no big issues, just a big backlogged on things, sorry :/ Aug 22 01:43:18 i actually thought it worked-ish previously, but recently tried it and it didn't work at all... idk Aug 22 01:43:38 dtzWill, is it in preware or app cat? Aug 22 01:44:05 jacques: both--and they're exactly the same Aug 22 01:44:15 app cat costs $$, just indirect way of supporting the effort. Aug 22 01:44:18 or direct way. heh. Aug 22 01:44:27 (app cat description mentions it's in preware) Aug 22 01:44:29 dtzWill, yeah that's what I thought :-) Aug 22 01:44:39 but neither is touhcpad-compat Aug 22 01:44:51 tp should run emus really well compared to pre* Aug 22 01:45:12 i definitely definiltey had it workign previously Aug 22 01:45:27 and just needed to touch up some oreintation stuff and rework some controls since no back gesture Aug 22 01:45:30 and yeah, it worked great Aug 22 01:45:36 well you can look forward to an extra $5 if it gets going again (HUGE incentive i know =P) Aug 22 01:45:54 nah, it's plenty and appreciated :). i really should, and i'm sorry that i haven't done so alreayd. Aug 22 01:46:29 dtzWill: ever get a chance to look at the keyboard hide/show in the mojo app emulator? Aug 22 01:46:48 elpollodiablo1: yep, and some kinda mini overlay might be the right idea Aug 22 01:47:06 ok cool Aug 22 01:47:23 what is the best way to pull and make Xserver? Aug 22 01:47:55 i would offer to help support the tablet version but by the time i learned the webos api it wouldnt be worth the wait Aug 22 01:47:58 dtzWill: I have cross-compile and build, but it doesnt seem to pull the latest Xserver. Aug 22 01:48:26 elpollodiablo1: it should, if not make sure the Makefiles have the VERSION set to the latest tagged version in their respective repo's Aug 22 01:49:13 bbl, helping gf move into her new place ^.^ Aug 22 01:49:14 o/ Aug 22 01:49:32 oh alright I will check that out, still never figured out how the whole make proccess is set up for widk Aug 22 02:03:43 rwhitby: (or anyone) do touchpads force update to new OS versions? Aug 22 02:03:56 only if you let them Aug 22 02:04:48 well, without user intervention... ? Aug 22 02:05:18 I presume it's the same as the phones. Aug 22 02:07:18 Hey guys Aug 22 02:07:27 Uhm, my touchpad is not booting at all Aug 22 02:07:36 I just turned it off, and now I can't get it to turn back on Aug 22 02:07:46 Battery was around 80% when I turned it off Aug 22 02:08:08 hold power and home button down for 15 sec to reboot Aug 22 02:08:22 ok Aug 22 02:08:24 thanks Aug 22 02:09:12 Got it! Aug 22 02:09:14 Thanks Aug 22 02:09:29 there any important things to get for the touchpad when i recieve mine? Aug 22 02:10:00 like any tweaks or anything Aug 22 02:12:09 preware. Aug 22 02:14:31 what exactly is preware, in a nut shell? Aug 22 02:15:12 hmph. Almost got synergy running on my touchpad, it segfaults and I'm too lazy to find out why exactly :P Aug 22 02:15:37 you can use gdb Aug 22 02:15:46 I did, I see the function Aug 22 02:15:47 at least, with 1.4.5, there's gdb on the device already Aug 22 02:15:52 oh, ok Aug 22 02:15:53 and I even checked out the source Aug 22 02:16:03 isn't synergy on the touchpad by default? Aug 22 02:16:15 it is? Aug 22 02:16:25 I setup a ubuntu chroot and installed it from apt through there Aug 22 02:16:25 btw, any pixi users here? Aug 22 02:16:34 oh different synergy? Aug 22 02:16:37 lol Aug 22 02:16:46 yeah, it's the synergy for screen sharing, I assume Aug 22 02:16:48 you mean the single mouse/keyboard synergy don't you Aug 22 02:16:49 http://synergy-foss.org/ Aug 22 02:17:04 when i thought synergy and touchpad i thought webos synergy Aug 22 02:17:36 btw, you should route your synergy traffic through an ssh tunnel except on a really trusted network Aug 22 02:17:36 charybdis3: we had synergy build Aug 22 02:17:42 anyone else wondering what HP is doing with all the TouchPad Go's? Aug 22 02:17:43 staged from the... widk Aug 22 02:17:47 there's a video of it somewhere Aug 22 02:17:48 touchpad go? Aug 22 02:18:04 dtzWill: do you have a binary of it up somewhere? Aug 22 02:18:06 cause otherwise it's like a keylogger for anyone who can intercept the packets Aug 22 02:18:07 the & Aug 22 02:18:12 7" one Aug 22 02:18:26 i'm excited about android being ported to it Aug 22 02:18:31 and ubuntu Aug 22 02:18:37 would have been released quite soon had they not been stupid about everything Aug 22 02:18:41 well, me too Aug 22 02:18:43 it's great hardware for $99/150 Aug 22 02:18:50 this is excellent hardware for that Aug 22 02:18:52 exactly Aug 22 02:18:55 if webos source gets released it could be amazing Aug 22 02:18:57 charybdis3: somewhere.. Aug 22 02:19:04 but I would prefer WebOS Aug 22 02:19:17 StarKruzr: yeah but i'd rather not use a dead platform, personally Aug 22 02:19:18 they're not going to OSS WebOS. Aug 22 02:19:31 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua-iFu4N1Yk&feature=youtu.be ^.^ Aug 22 02:19:45 rt'd by adora \o/ xD Aug 22 02:20:57 that guy has a very slow mouse Aug 22 02:21:43 anyone know of a Terminal app that works on TP? Aug 22 02:21:54 honestly, one thing i'd love on the touchpad Aug 22 02:22:09 is the sms/call syncing working with android Aug 22 02:23:44 StarKruzr: Xterm in Xecutah "works" Aug 22 02:25:00 837 pages of the Touchpad slickdeals thread... Aug 22 02:27:07 oh that means it's stopped growing faster than I can read them Aug 22 02:27:10 yet none to be found Aug 22 02:27:19 around page 590something, I'd click next and there'd be 3 new pages of posts Aug 22 02:27:29 rrix: am I wrong in thinking Xecutah requires a whole lot of setup? Aug 22 02:27:36 SoulShadow: have you seen http://bit.ly/phd-ac yet? Aug 22 02:27:48 StarKruzr: for xterm? no, just install it from preware Aug 22 02:27:52 so i guess you ahve to have preware. Aug 22 02:28:02 okay. thanks. Aug 22 02:28:12 but since you're in #webos-internals i'm hoping that's not terribly outta your way :D Aug 22 02:29:01 rwhitby: no because i don't have my touchpad yet Aug 22 02:30:41 hah no, wIRC was Homebrew I think :) Aug 22 02:32:16 was? Aug 22 02:40:00 does anyone know what happened to Voogle, the Google Voice app? Aug 22 02:40:39 it is open source Aug 22 02:40:50 I think development on it stopped Aug 22 02:41:10 ok, but I can't seem to find it either in Preware or the appcat Aug 22 02:41:10 from what Iw as reading, development on that stopped awhile ago Aug 22 02:41:30 and there were some angry customers because it relied on a component running on the author's server Aug 22 02:41:46 I just want something that can send/rec text and vm on my TP. Aug 22 02:42:08 I assume you also mean "free" otherwise ... skype? Aug 22 02:43:32 oh I mean specifically in GV. Aug 22 02:44:20 dwc-: people were also angry because the app was extremely buggy and the dev wouldn't fix it Aug 22 02:44:47 * dwc- never felt comfortable trying it Aug 22 02:45:00 something about giving my login/password to another person just to get my SMS messages ... Aug 22 02:45:52 and, as it turns out Aug 22 02:45:59 he says, looking through the source code Aug 22 02:46:11 to someone who is passing it around without SSL even Aug 22 02:46:11 dwc-: yeah Aug 22 02:46:30 in a manner that would be recorded in standard httpd logs Aug 22 02:46:47 huh. Xecutah seems to have a problem where if you have text go beyond the edge of the keyboard it simply becomes hidden. Aug 22 02:48:04 rumour has it dkirker is working on finishing his GV client Aug 22 02:48:27 dkirker1 was doing a SIP client I thought Aug 22 02:48:32 it may have had GV support as well Aug 22 02:48:40 IIRC he was doing both :) Aug 22 02:48:45 nice Aug 22 02:48:48 who? wha? Aug 22 02:48:53 btw, dkirker1 Y U NO universe on touchpad ;) Aug 22 02:48:57 rrix: awesome. I need both ;) Aug 22 02:49:19 rrix: Well... I was working on it. Then, well, things happened at work. Aug 22 02:49:30 Right, that Aug 22 02:49:45 anyway, time to go eat! Aug 22 02:49:49 * dwc- has tentative plans to write a gv app Aug 22 02:50:04 * rrix goes to drink coffee and read stupid essays for his stupid college course Aug 22 02:50:08 Stupidly of course Aug 22 02:50:15 I'd be very grateful :) Aug 22 02:51:12 Hmm, I guess it was just a SIP thingy. bah. Aug 22 02:51:15 I still want a SIP thingy though :) Aug 22 02:51:25 whoops, dismissed a card by mistake Aug 22 02:51:28 Hey, anyone ever heard of titanium backup for android? Aug 22 02:52:06 anything like that for touchpad? Aug 22 02:52:28 apparently there is a development team working on porting the alien dalvik used in the playbook to the touchpad Aug 22 02:52:32 so we can run android apps inw ebos Aug 22 02:52:38 StarKruzr: reduce the size of your keyboard Aug 22 02:53:08 SoulShadow, I would love to see android apps in card Aug 22 02:53:09 s Aug 22 02:53:27 isn't there a card app for android? Aug 22 02:53:39 well, I mean on the tp under webos :-) Aug 22 02:53:44 rwhitby: since I'm thinking about it, can you send me the link to the sip client alpha? pre2/voip.ms+voipdiscount+8x8+slew of others Aug 22 02:54:03 http://bit.ly/linphone-0-1-8-pre Aug 22 02:54:25 thanks Aug 22 02:54:36 rwhitby: you can do that? Aug 22 02:54:52 press and hold bottom right key on soft keyboard to resize Aug 22 02:54:59 * dwc- wonders, "didn't he usually send that in a PM?" Aug 22 02:55:01 dwc-: are you backend guy or a ui guy? Aug 22 02:55:01 you need xs Aug 22 02:55:02 or both? Aug 22 02:55:03 awesome. Aug 22 02:55:10 rwhitby: just curious, is there any way the bluetooth pairing between the touchpad and the pre can be made more widely available? like touchpad+android device to support sms/calls? Aug 22 02:55:31 Tibfib: more of a backend guy, why? Aug 22 02:55:49 webos uses a custom bt stack. would be nice to replace it with something more standard/flexible Aug 22 02:56:12 the idea of a full device tether is awesome Aug 22 02:56:13 dwc-: I'd work with you on the GV app Aug 22 02:56:15 I'm a UI guy Aug 22 02:56:16 sms+calls+data Aug 22 02:56:17 :) Aug 22 02:56:21 I want to pair wii controller with my tp Aug 22 02:56:42 * dwc- suddenly remembers when he tries to 'mkdir linphone' why he hadn't asked for this before Aug 22 02:56:46 the BT chip is non-standard right? Aug 22 02:57:02 * dwc- has a checkout of a tree labeled 0.1.9 Aug 22 02:57:18 "Bluetooth support comes via a separate chip (BluCore 63T23)." Aug 22 02:57:31 i will give them credit for using an awesome DAC Aug 22 02:57:47 yeah Aug 22 02:58:01 I am very happy with the tp sound quality Aug 22 02:58:02 wolfson dac = automatic win Aug 22 02:58:14 Tibfib: I will need to make some time and motivate myself to start doing some research first Aug 22 02:58:18 but yeah, the idea of pairing my phone fully with my tablet is win Aug 22 02:58:23 ala playbook/blackberry Aug 22 02:59:16 dwc-: sounds good Aug 22 02:59:23 i dunno how possible that idea is, however Aug 22 02:59:47 hmm **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 02:59:56 2011