**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 02:59:56 2011 Aug 22 02:59:59 i'm having trouble with using meta-doctor to create the ext3 filesystem Aug 22 03:01:32 it doesn't appear that /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs exists Aug 22 03:03:01 it doesn't look like there are any mountpoints for ext3fs Aug 22 03:08:07 halp? Aug 22 03:16:39 halp anyone? Aug 22 03:17:26 how did you go about making your meta doctor Aug 22 03:17:36 I followed the wiki Aug 22 03:17:39 made no changes to the makefile Aug 22 03:17:59 dwc-, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Aug 22 03:18:01 that wiki Aug 22 03:19:27 what were your arguments to make Aug 22 03:20:22 make -j6 DEVICE=touchpad CARRIER=wifi all Aug 22 03:21:12 I don't see on the wiki where it mentions making changes to get you the ext3 fs Aug 22 03:21:41 but if you didn't make changes to the makefile and it's not defined on the make args, then you don't have an ext3 partition Aug 22 03:22:24 look at the makefile around "EXT3FS_PARTITION" Aug 22 03:22:37 FUCK Aug 22 03:22:48 so i gotta make the damn thing again? Aug 22 03:23:27 I believe so Aug 22 03:23:40 * sailerboy seeths at Jack87|Away Aug 22 03:24:10 is it really worth getting this upset over? Aug 22 03:25:06 dwc-, i'm tired Aug 22 03:25:10 and cranky from waking up this early Aug 22 03:25:11 so yes Aug 22 03:25:15 it's worth getting upset over Aug 22 03:25:28 especially since Jack87|Away was the one who fucked me out of 40 seconds of my time Aug 22 03:25:37 FOURTY SECONDS!!!! Aug 22 03:25:54 perhaps you should come to this when you're not upset or sleep deprived Aug 22 03:26:28 sailerboy: I'd ask for a refund of your money Aug 22 03:26:28 you wouldn't want to increase the risks of making a mistake, no? Aug 22 03:26:49 rwhitby, from Jack87|Away? Aug 22 03:26:50 of course Aug 22 03:26:53 YOU OWE ME! Aug 22 03:26:57 * sailerboy attacks Jack87|Away Aug 22 03:27:26 * dwc- wonders why his irssi stopped logging Aug 22 03:34:32 Jack87, you lied to me Aug 22 03:34:33 fyi Aug 22 03:34:56 sailerboy: no, he assumed you'd research the tool you were using. Aug 22 03:35:06 no, he lied to me Aug 22 03:35:13 stop dressing it in fancy clothing Aug 22 03:35:23 i feel betrayed Aug 22 03:35:25 :( Aug 22 03:35:29 i'm going to go kill myself Aug 22 03:35:34 goodbye cruel world Aug 22 03:35:54 * dwc- waves Aug 22 03:36:05 no, you're supposed to talk me out of it Aug 22 03:36:09 let's start that over again Aug 22 03:36:09 I can assist with a /kick if you like. Aug 22 03:36:19 :| Aug 22 03:36:47 but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that the tags are just invisible Aug 22 03:37:00 rwhitby, when are they ever visible? Aug 22 03:44:24 is liphone still in testing? Aug 22 03:45:58 heh Aug 22 03:47:07 lol Aug 22 03:47:39 i really want to put my pre to some use, its a darn shame it dosent catch phone calls in time :( Aug 22 03:48:01 . Aug 22 03:48:11 1.4.5 or 2? Aug 22 03:48:32 1.4.5 Aug 22 03:50:13 sailerboy: lied how? Aug 22 03:50:25 Jack87, it was an extended joke Aug 22 03:50:42 and a poorly documented feature with metadoctor Aug 22 03:50:43 I totally missed it Aug 22 03:50:50 i think most people here did too Aug 22 03:52:04 rwhitby: as for preware auto install I think I mentioned that it is not maintained therefore my not be reliable but it works for me so I use it. Aug 22 03:52:28 sailerboy: which feature? what were you trying to do Aug 22 03:52:29 you guys ever ported 3.0 on a pre yet? lol Aug 22 03:53:02 Jack87, it wasn't preware autoinstall Aug 22 03:53:11 it was the meta doctor Aug 22 03:53:30 i was trying to chroot arch Aug 22 03:54:11 didn't I tell you you need to change make file for the various features the meta doctor does? Aug 22 03:54:18 3.0 looks bad on a phone so far Aug 22 03:54:28 Jack87, yes, but you never mentioned ext3 Aug 22 03:54:32 javispedro, how so? Aug 22 03:54:34 it does scale but keeps on having the "tablet" UI Aug 22 03:54:37 javispedro: what phone? Aug 22 03:54:39 honeycomb or webos? Aug 22 03:54:41 lol Aug 22 03:54:52 webos Aug 22 03:54:58 nvm then Aug 22 03:55:23 sorry for coming a bit short here, but whats honeycomb? i havent been keeping up with webos for the past month and a half Aug 22 03:55:35 haha I didn't know what you were trying to do silly. just showed you the tools to do what you got to do. please don't end your life Aug 22 03:56:08 fudge_: determined the term honeycomb has nothing to do with webOS :-P Aug 22 03:56:24 lol ok Aug 22 03:56:40 i wonder what hp will be releasing on upcoming hardware Aug 22 03:56:49 nevermind * damn auto correct in wirc Aug 22 03:57:00 fudge_: lol Aug 22 03:57:10 sorry, i am a nub atm Aug 22 04:01:08 guys Aug 22 04:01:20 im having trouble with webos docotr, im running osx lion Aug 22 04:01:27 doctor Aug 22 04:01:51 the driver fails to install.... Aug 22 04:02:06 what do i need to do? this is for 3.0.2 Aug 22 04:02:36 is lumberjack/preware enyo working at all yet? Aug 22 04:12:01 lalala Aug 22 04:16:54 Jack87! Aug 22 04:17:05 hola Aug 22 04:17:24 how's it goin? Aug 22 04:20:34 hey guys Aug 22 04:21:06 good. and for yiu? Aug 22 04:25:04 i'm still trying to get this stupid demo tablet to work >< Aug 22 04:25:44 lisurgec: did you get the tokens off it? Aug 22 04:25:47 its goin good Aug 22 04:25:59 i wasn't able to. Aug 22 04:26:15 rwhitby: does enyo preware/umberjack work at all? Aug 22 04:27:08 i got that memboot thing working, but i'm not sure how to get a token dump out of it? Aug 22 04:27:13 lisurgec: just use meta doctor and bypass activation Aug 22 04:27:28 oh.. you got far Aug 22 04:28:06 well not really, i just had it booting the default kernel. Aug 22 04:28:31 i wasn't sure which one would be needed to get at the tokens. Aug 22 04:30:28 why isn't there an alternate way to create an account? really, that's all i need to be happy with this thing. Aug 22 04:30:39 otherwise i'm just going to get my money back... and i don't want to do that :( Aug 22 04:33:09 just get a command line and type "tokens --list" Aug 22 04:33:09 http://gifts.barnesandnoble.com/HP-TouchPad-Tablet-with-16GB-Memory-WiFi-12GHz-Black/e/886111788637?itm=3&usri=touchpad Aug 22 04:34:08 you could go get your money back on that demo unit and go buy a regular one Aug 22 04:34:19 buying the regular one is the problem Aug 22 04:34:22 but i see that link Aug 22 04:34:25 and now i want the regular one. Aug 22 04:34:38 i think i'm going to buy it, then if i get this one working...sell one Aug 22 04:34:45 i'm sure the price will spike soon. Aug 22 04:34:49 they were on amazon earlier as well, similar pricing Aug 22 04:34:57 might also try HP.com on monday Aug 22 04:35:26 So now seems like a good time to replace my broken Palm Pre 1. It's a sprint one from the original launch. Can anyone tell me, what's the latest webos phone available that can be made to work on sprint? Aug 22 04:35:48 mib_herpderp: the one you have Aug 22 04:35:53 mib_herpderp, pre2 Aug 22 04:35:56 officially or unofficially? Aug 22 04:36:00 but you can use parts of that with a pre 3 Aug 22 04:36:06 Pre 2 that is, not Pre 3 Aug 22 04:36:13 ahh,, come on rwhitby aren't you personally responsible for hacking the pre2 to work lol Aug 22 04:36:52 ok. I was curious about the 3, but that's a dead end is it Aug 22 04:36:53 rwhitby is personally responsible for all HP strategy and decision making :) Aug 22 04:37:06 http://gifts.barnesandnoble.com/HP-TouchPad-Tablet-with-32GB-Memory-WiFi-12GHz-Black/e/886111700905 Aug 22 04:37:40 they will drop price im sure Aug 22 04:38:16 i'm sure they'll spike in about a week, then stabalize. Aug 22 04:38:28 I ordered one direct from HP about an hour ago. I sure hope is ships. Aug 22 04:38:33 bought another one, just to be safe. Aug 22 04:38:38 should ship tomorrow :D Aug 22 04:38:38 throught the SMB store that is Aug 22 04:39:16 ironic porting inferior android to touchpad. how great job hp did to webos! Aug 22 04:39:27 now get those tokens Aug 22 04:39:57 has anyone used honeycomb? Aug 22 04:40:04 so just boot recovery and use nova to get the prompt? Aug 22 04:40:09 i cant stand the damn thing Aug 22 04:40:16 cause that didn't give me the option to dump tokens Aug 22 04:40:21 novaterm yup Aug 22 04:40:35 then do the memboot Aug 22 04:40:45 yay memboot Aug 22 04:41:12 geist, you know you want a TP Aug 22 04:41:19 ameng: android would suffer on the tp probably due to you eventually having problems with opengl Aug 22 04:41:25 i casually looked at getting one, but meh Aug 22 04:41:27 and needing to use software compositing Aug 22 04:41:34 sorry for being a newbie, but i'm using novaterm, then using memboot, then after that i tokens --list? Aug 22 04:41:40 or live with bugs that do things like lock the device up or corrupt things Aug 22 04:41:42 i imagine Aug 22 04:41:46 this is commonly the case Aug 22 04:41:52 geist, http://gifts.barnesandnoble.com/HP-TouchPad-Tablet-with-16GB-Memory-WiFi-12GHz-Black/e/886111788637?itm=2&usri=touchpad Aug 22 04:42:33 lisurgec, yes Aug 22 04:43:02 geist, you can memboot all day long! it'd be fun Aug 22 04:43:11 raster: i dont think so , there is already snapdrogen platform on the existing android phones, they can grasp the drivers Aug 22 04:43:59 u'll need to buy one of those devices then... also takinng the driver from that device would be.. illegal Aug 22 04:44:08 well it'd violate the license Aug 22 04:44:29 There is open source drivers for many of the parts Aug 22 04:44:48 how do i memboot from novaterm? Aug 22 04:45:08 but probably not all Aug 22 04:45:17 i dont know about the tp specifically Aug 22 04:45:32 but in general any attempt to change os on an arm device invariably results in a non fulyl functional hack Aug 22 04:45:37 lisurgec: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Memboot Aug 22 04:45:38 bpadalino: i'm glad membooting is still a sanctioned affair Aug 22 04:45:39 sometimes to greater or lesser extents Aug 22 04:45:51 without oem support and closed (licensed) drivers Aug 22 04:45:54 raster HTC HD2 is an exception. Aug 22 04:45:58 geist: it's definitely pretty nice to be able to do that Aug 22 04:46:00 gpu tends to be the most core and problematic of these Aug 22 04:46:08 raster everything practically is supported by Android on it. Aug 22 04:46:19 raster GPU of touchpad is same as HTC Sensation. Aug 22 04:46:33 which has... open source drivers probably knowing HTC Aug 22 04:46:33 geist, port haiku over to the tp ;) - you know you'd love to do that Aug 22 04:46:53 actually as haiku moves over to git i'm far more inclined to redo and finish up their ARM port Aug 22 04:46:55 EdLin: iopen source... even for libGLESv2? Aug 22 04:47:03 someone poked at it a bit and got half the kernel running at some point Aug 22 04:47:03 kernel side doesnt do too much Aug 22 04:47:10 probably would run on this pandaboard Aug 22 04:47:10 geist, nice Aug 22 04:47:11 last i knew the snapdrago had open kernel side Aug 22 04:47:14 but lib is closed Aug 22 04:47:15 raster I don't know about that... Aug 22 04:47:19 when are they moving over to git? Aug 22 04:47:28 and thats where 98% of the bulk of the driver is Aug 22 04:47:36 if they open-source WebOS, that'd solve that problem. ;-) Aug 22 04:47:37 they've got it mirrored in it, so that's a first step Aug 22 04:47:42 probably within a month or so Aug 22 04:47:45 no it wont Aug 22 04:47:58 as the driver will be a 3rd party piece of code they have under restricted license Aug 22 04:48:00 they cant open it Aug 22 04:48:04 geist, nice Aug 22 04:48:15 unless qualcomm agree to opening it Aug 22 04:48:22 raster you're such as sillly naysayer, considering how many devices have gotten decent running Android on them that aren't android devices. Aug 22 04:48:27 that ball is in qualcomm's court Aug 22 04:48:29 and someone did some of the gruntwork of getting the toolchain to build and putting in some ARM bits to get the build started Aug 22 04:49:11 EdLin: i have many carcasses of devices that have been "hacked" to have regular "linux" on them.. they have never managed full functionality Aug 22 04:49:28 even the n900 where the oem supported the gpu with gl - it had some nasty bugs they never fixed Aug 22 04:49:35 geist, slick Aug 22 04:49:36 they were not interested in fixing them Aug 22 04:49:44 raster never is a funny word, I have a windows mobile phone with Android on it - perfectly running, right next to me. Aug 22 04:50:15 bpadalino: for kicks i put ubuntu on the pandaboard and compiled haiku x86. it was epically slow Aug 22 04:50:18 pretty awesome Aug 22 04:50:19 n900 is a bad example, its hardware isn't similar enough to Android devices. Aug 22 04:50:25 unlike the Touchpad. Aug 22 04:50:42 taking android and its drivers dome an existing device will violate your license agreement Aug 22 04:50:44 as above Aug 22 04:50:51 its not legal to do that Aug 22 04:51:02 geist, haha - is the pandaboard just for your own personal amusement, or do you do stuff with OMAP's at work ? Aug 22 04:51:11 personal amusement Aug 22 04:51:15 the closed binary drivers for things like gl are provided under licenses ttying them to that specific device Aug 22 04:51:17 i have piles of various dev boards floating around Aug 22 04:51:21 raster that's funny, XDA is acting perfectly legally doing what they do, according to a court decision even. Aug 22 04:51:44 xda dont redistribute the driver Aug 22 04:51:46 raster reverse engineering is allowed under the DMCA for functionality. Aug 22 04:51:49 XDA uses the opensourced parts of android Aug 22 04:51:53 thewy make the user themselves fetch it from a compatibler device Aug 22 04:51:57 raster they distribute the ROMs, don't they? Aug 22 04:52:01 nope. Aug 22 04:52:15 geist, very cool - do you have your own oscope and everything too .. or just play around with the software bits ? Aug 22 04:52:39 actually i do, yes Aug 22 04:52:51 raster I've run dozens of android roms on this HD2, none of them involved such a odd scheme. Aug 22 04:52:51 got an old analog one, and a more modern tek Aug 22 04:53:05 got a neat little soft logic analyzer here too. Saleae Aug 22 04:53:07 I heard tp is even lagged than ipad1, just suspicious why hp cannot cook a hw-acceled ui system for a so long time, why change from omap to snapdragon? Aug 22 04:53:23 ameng: mostly to focus on one chip vendor Aug 22 04:53:26 EdLin: then the qualcomm license must vary from others i have seen. they all forbid redistribution except ON a given device the driver is for Aug 22 04:53:28 ameng because Quallcomm was a better business partner. Aug 22 04:53:41 anyone in here helping out with the touchdroid port? Aug 22 04:53:42 we wasted a tremendous amount of time in the pre/pixi days dealing with multiple vendors Aug 22 04:53:52 raster they can forbid that till the cows come home. Aug 22 04:53:59 and as of a few years back TI was late on omap4, so they were switching away from TI Aug 22 04:54:17 raster even Apple has never won a case based on that, they only won based on piracy against hackintoshers. Aug 22 04:54:32 EdLin: then distributing a rom with drivers that have such restrictions is a violation of the license Aug 22 04:54:50 so what you're saying is.. the license is irrelevant Aug 22 04:54:55 raster then call the cops then, and let the grown people deal with what is a reasonable law and what is not. Aug 22 04:55:03 this isnt a law Aug 22 04:55:07 its nothgin to do with law Aug 22 04:55:17 it is a contractual agreement between 2 parties Aug 22 04:55:19 bpadalino: been spending a bunch of time recently tooling around with my old Apple 2s, thinking of hackign soem sort of addon card with it +fpga Aug 22 04:55:23 raster case law, i.e. XDA vs. Microsoft, says otherwise. Aug 22 04:55:24 now i just need to figure out what to do Aug 22 04:55:26 the software is provided under the terms of a license Aug 22 04:55:43 * EdLin is wasting his time dealing with negativity Aug 22 04:56:02 geist, a few of my buddies are doing that with amiga's - getting the output to be accepted on modern day LCD's .. Aug 22 04:56:23 geist, grabbing the data that goes to the DAC's digitally and doing the framebuffering and whatnot Aug 22 04:56:32 sweet. one of these days i'll grab one off ebay Aug 22 04:56:47 geist, they also redid a floppy adapter so you don't need an amiga floppy and can use any old regular one Aug 22 04:56:58 raster: what's your take on pulling bits out of webos doctors? Aug 22 04:57:17 the whole vintage hardware stuff can be fun Aug 22 04:57:18 dwc- he probably thinks hacking devices in general is illegal. Aug 22 04:57:35 EdLin: wonderful assumptions there. Aug 22 04:57:36 in other words, he's trolling the channel. Aug 22 04:58:01 EdLin: no. i actually work in the industry. i actuallyl see these licenses. i know their restrictions Aug 22 04:58:07 i ALSO hack devices Aug 22 04:58:15 EdLin: note that raster said distribution. he knows of what he speaks. Aug 22 04:58:44 edlin: no, I'm asking because it's something I've wondered about Aug 22 04:58:50 i do not know the particulars of the qualcomm legal agreement to provide binary drivers to hp, htc etc. Aug 22 04:58:59 rwhitby that's funny, because android rom distribution for non-android devices is quite common and tested in court at that. Aug 22 04:59:00 but ii know of simialr elgal agreements from other gpu vendors Aug 22 04:59:18 and they all state that the binary is allowed to be distributed ONLY on the device it is meant for Aug 22 04:59:21 and not be redistributed Aug 22 04:59:28 rwhitby besides, market.google.com recognizes my non-android device fine. Aug 22 04:59:29 raster: webOS license is the same Aug 22 04:59:40 rwhitby: i would think so Aug 22 04:59:46 if it isnt - fine. even better. Aug 22 05:00:15 I was mostly curious about the parts about not modifying or altering the Software Aug 22 05:00:41 raster webos is another story, it's too encumbered to distribute, that makes sense. Aug 22 05:00:46 end users can do what they please. just don't distribute the result. Aug 22 05:00:51 EdLin: show me a case where the soc vendor - owner of the itellectual property (gpu driver source) has sued and lost over re-distribution of the binaries of the gpu driver? Aug 22 05:01:15 * geist orders a touchpad via B&N Aug 22 05:01:18 this should be interesting Aug 22 05:01:40 raster none have sued, because they don't have a case. EULAs aren't very tested in court, they usually invariably have to rely on something else to nail you if they can. Aug 22 05:01:51 rwhitby: actually i think removing the source from one bit of hw and putting it on another even as an idividual has violated the license. as such no one is every liekly to sue over it as u are going to go to a lot fo legal effort over almost no damage Aug 22 05:01:57 geist, glad to hear you got suckered into it :) Aug 22 05:01:59 they aren't even valid in many european countries. Aug 22 05:02:03 EdLin: then it hasnt been proven in court. Aug 22 05:02:18 well, $100 is in the range of impulse buy Aug 22 05:02:25 raster I'm really worried that HTC or Google will shut us down, aren't you? Aug 22 05:02:27 the palm doctor licenses say you can't unless allowed by applicable law Aug 22 05:02:31 hell, i impulse bought a scsi hard drive on ebay the other day, this is well within that Aug 22 05:02:45 geist, what are you waiting for sheesh Aug 22 05:02:54 which seems like one would need to be familiar with such, across various jurisdictions Aug 22 05:02:59 geist, old school scsi or sas ? Aug 22 05:03:06 scsi, in an external box Aug 22 05:03:17 my old one i used for some sun machines finally crapped out Aug 22 05:03:31 haha, i remember those .. which sun is it connected to ? Aug 22 05:03:51 i have a couple. i have a sun lx and a sparcstation 20 Aug 22 05:04:03 i had a sun classic .. no idea what happened to it Aug 22 05:04:04 and there's a dec multia somewhere that requires an external drive Aug 22 05:04:12 but the 20 inch monitor was ridiculous to connect to it Aug 22 05:04:20 yeah, i always run em headless Aug 22 05:04:22 EdLin: so.. based on your logic.., you'd happily distribute the binaries of lets say... busybox or the linux kernel, without any sources made available, because you think no one will sue you over it. the license is irrelevant? Aug 22 05:04:22 last of the pizza boxes! Aug 22 05:04:35 sparcstation lx is a real cute box Aug 22 05:04:42 last of the lunch boxes Aug 22 05:04:44 yeah Aug 22 05:04:52 raster busybox binaries are on the Android market - no source included. Aug 22 05:05:03 raster as long as it's downloadable somewhere. Aug 22 05:05:23 i am not asking what is on android market Aug 22 05:05:24 not what the GPL states Aug 22 05:05:31 i asm asking if YOU would do it Aug 22 05:05:41 would YOU happily flaunt the GPL license? Aug 22 05:05:56 I'm surprised people are still using such old slow sparc Aug 22 05:05:57 ... Aug 22 05:06:02 because you seem to have that same level of respect for the licenses of companies like qualcomm Aug 22 05:06:06 they were already old and slow 10 years ago Aug 22 05:06:07 ie you dont care Aug 22 05:06:23 raster I am not stealing from them. Aug 22 05:06:28 dwc-: tell me about it. that's a terribly slow computer Aug 22 05:07:04 that being said, I think I have a pile of scsi hd that are compatible with that vintage Aug 22 05:08:24 rwhitby, lisurgec got his tokens... can you take over helping him from here as the rest is beyond me Aug 22 05:08:37 Jack87: where are the tokens? Aug 22 05:08:44 don't have the tokens yet. Aug 22 05:09:18 oh. hehe he almost has em :) Aug 22 05:09:25 just figured out how to. i'll have them shortly. Aug 22 05:09:49 EdLin: if you do not agree and stick to the terms of a license.. you do not have a license. if you dont have a license.. then you are stealing. Aug 22 05:10:04 it applies to GPL. to LGPL, to APL, EPL, and every other commercial license Aug 22 05:10:09 you are free to not agree to the license Aug 22 05:10:18 but then u are not licensed to use the software Aug 22 05:12:36 raster: if somebody would "just" build a PM4 driver for the adreno 220 this wouldn't be an issue Aug 22 05:13:11 we'd even have a tested 2d drm driver in the linux, but kernel team has blocked it because it would not have an open userland component Aug 22 05:13:40 tmzt: if qualcomm would make it available to modders under a license.. then it'd be all hunky dory. last i knew this was not the case :( Aug 22 05:14:18 otherwise someone is going ot have to reverse enigneer and write their own one Aug 22 05:14:20 to do it legally Aug 22 05:14:56 raster HTC is so worried about people stealing from them to run on non-Android devices that they are coming up with an official Android rom of their own, based on the work of hackers, to distribute in China for HTC Oboe owners. Aug 22 05:16:11 raster of course, that's not illegal there anyway. Aug 22 05:16:24 raster: no, I mean open driver for the adreno Aug 22 05:16:27 help! Aug 22 05:16:32 where I sign a contract every time I buy something not to use it the way I see fit. Aug 22 05:16:34 lisurgec, djhomeboy has a demo unit as well and is having same issue as you with not being able to register Aug 22 05:16:45 tmzt: well if qcm opened their userspace.. u'd have problem solved Aug 22 05:16:59 otherwise its reverse-engineer one (likely just use mesa and build on that) Aug 22 05:17:01 for sure. demo units united lol. Aug 22 05:17:05 not a fast and easy process to do Aug 22 05:17:06 :) Aug 22 05:17:07 djhomeboy, you should grab your tokens from the device and see what might be stopping you from registering Aug 22 05:17:20 raster: or if nice people left in debgging symbols to make the third party documentation easier Aug 22 05:17:28 hahahaha Aug 22 05:17:28 :) Aug 22 05:17:29 i'll brb, i'm going to go to my homie's house.. he's been in the scene since the pre was released. i'll be back. Aug 22 05:17:37 haha I will do whatever you want me to do.. although I have no idea what u said :P Aug 22 05:17:55 tmzt: if someoen accidentallly left debugging symbols in and that was used to reverse enigneer and coument. thatd be nice.. and legal Aug 22 05:18:13 raster.. help me out bro Aug 22 05:18:42 djhomeboy, do you know much linux? Aug 22 05:18:49 nope none Aug 22 05:18:52 djhomeboy: no idea. can't help u there :( Aug 22 05:19:11 time to check out this patch Aug 22 05:19:13 djhomeboy, do you have linux installed on your touchpad? Aug 22 05:19:22 sorry i mean your computer Aug 22 05:19:25 like ubuntu Aug 22 05:19:26 Jack87: I think they come with linux Aug 22 05:19:35 tmzt, haha Aug 22 05:19:41 :) Aug 22 05:19:43 raster: what do you think about google/motorol vis. samsung and bada? Aug 22 05:19:53 I was trying to put the install inside on my pc and it was giving me a write error Aug 22 05:20:55 bpadalino, do you have a touchpad? Aug 22 05:21:02 jacques, ping Aug 22 05:21:05 Jack87: ordered Aug 22 05:21:27 * Jack87 doesnt know how to bypas activation to dev mode on touchpad (never needed to) Aug 22 05:21:35 tmzt: oh dear... that almost sounds liker you are after some official statement :) Aug 22 05:21:47 raster: oh crap no Aug 22 05:22:03 ok then Aug 22 05:22:05 unofficially Aug 22 05:22:14 totally my opinion Aug 22 05:22:42 1. bada - i dont do bada. its reallly an old fashioned featurephone os.. thats on top of an RTOS kernel Aug 22 05:22:44 it can be on linux Aug 22 05:22:53 but it has limited appeal and advanced stuff Aug 22 05:23:01 but its also not my domain Aug 22 05:23:15 i dont see anyoone rolling about in excitement over bada in #bada Aug 22 05:23:17 etc. Aug 22 05:24:48 i work on... non-bada stuff Aug 22 05:24:50 and non-android Aug 22 05:24:55 and no - not wp7 Aug 22 05:25:05 its business as usual here Aug 22 05:25:19 As Chico Marx would say, itsa bada operatinga system-a. Aug 22 05:25:51 raster: when are we going to see some efl/elementary love on the TP? Aug 22 05:25:55 bada is a featurephone os, it's as exciting, if not less so, than S40. Aug 22 05:25:58 as for moto+goog - i fail to see how thats making all the android vendors anything but nervous and unhappy Aug 22 05:26:11 what's with the happy talk then? Aug 22 05:26:14 basically you now get your Os as a "freebie" from your direct competitor now Aug 22 05:26:20 that's really got me confused Aug 22 05:26:25 tmzt: noise in the signal Aug 22 05:26:35 tmzt it looks like nervous hope that it won't be bad for them. ;-) Aug 22 05:26:41 its meaningless mouthing of platitudes Aug 22 05:26:43 every ceo had almost the exact same statement Aug 22 05:26:46 poliiticians do it all the time Aug 22 05:26:50 as if you could see the hand up their Aug 22 05:26:59 yes Aug 22 05:27:06 this is nothing new Aug 22 05:27:13 Palm did it. Aug 22 05:27:19 but samsung has a migration strategy, I guess that's the point, it's not they will invoke it Aug 22 05:27:27 if i were the ceo of a phone/tablet maker Aug 22 05:27:31 and i depended on android Aug 22 05:27:38 also, bada has a market in the third world, same as s40 Aug 22 05:27:45 i would try not to damage things right now by smiling and saying "yay" Aug 22 05:27:54 and then quietly behind doors making battle plans as to what to do Aug 22 05:27:57 if it were me Aug 22 05:28:12 eactly, hastily assembled board meetings Aug 22 05:28:12 tmzt yeah, bada is an alterative to S40 now that Nokia has been borgified by Microsoft. Aug 22 05:28:26 alternative* Aug 22 05:28:29 well bada isnt open Aug 22 05:28:31 or licensed Aug 22 05:28:34 not currently Aug 22 05:28:38 and this skunkworks things that nobody knows anything about Aug 22 05:28:39 so its on sammy handsets only Aug 22 05:28:46 LA LA LA Aug 22 05:28:52 * raster brushes his skunk Aug 22 05:29:27 what I really don't get about bada is that they have it on the same class of hardware as the galaxy Aug 22 05:29:32 it would seem to be massive overkill Aug 22 05:29:43 or one step down, but the same hardware as the optimus Aug 22 05:30:16 well oik Aug 22 05:30:25 the bada wave was lower end than galaxy-s Aug 22 05:30:28 same cpu and gpu Aug 22 05:30:30 same res screen Aug 22 05:30:33 but smaller in size Aug 22 05:30:42 less storage too i think Aug 22 05:30:51 and i think less ram - tho i am not totally sure on that Aug 22 05:31:20 screen downsize alone would make the device reasonably cheaper to make i think Aug 22 05:32:00 right wave Aug 22 05:56:15 hey Aug 22 05:56:40 anyone know how to print to printers that are not jps? Aug 22 05:56:45 hps* Aug 22 05:56:56 like a brother prjnter ? Aug 22 06:02:08 I imagine you could set a lpr server on a linux machine, attached to your printer, but I'm no expert in cups Aug 22 06:04:13 copl Aug 22 06:04:20 cool* Aug 22 06:04:47 I cant update to 3.0.2 Aug 22 06:06:24 download the webos doctor, run it. it's the easiest way at this moment Aug 22 06:10:05 dont have a puter Aug 22 06:10:11 its 2 am Aug 22 06:11:17 ah, well, try leaving it downloading overnight Aug 22 06:27:17 rwhitby, djhomeboy just got the dump of the tokens on his demo device Aug 22 06:27:48 Jack87: /msg them Aug 22 06:36:47 I emailed the dump Aug 22 06:38:11 hey, why is it that you have to cross compile everything? why can't you get a cc on there? Aug 22 06:38:30 you could, but it would be slower Aug 22 06:38:41 oh, okay. Aug 22 06:39:43 hmmmm: you can compile fine on a touchpad. just install the compiler from optware Aug 22 06:40:40 don't have my touchpad yet, just ordered it today :) can't wait though Aug 22 06:44:31 what are bridgedriver.ko and exmap.ko? what kind of functionality would i lose without them on a touchpad? Aug 22 06:46:11 hmmmm: what's your goal? Aug 22 06:46:24 i want to port bsd to the touchpad. Aug 22 06:47:01 somebody tried that for the g1 Aug 22 06:47:05 dragonfly I think Aug 22 06:47:23 ...what happened? Aug 22 06:48:57 I don't remember if it worked, I also can't remember who it was Aug 22 06:49:26 maybe rhcp he's in the other channel Aug 22 06:58:00 I have a service I'd like to get into preware, I read on the forums that I should ask here about that. Aug 22 06:58:55 hrm, I need accessories now. Aug 22 07:02:26 Why don't we have an app submission process that is similar to the patch submission process? Aug 22 07:05:55 error454: for normal apps, there's precentral Aug 22 07:06:11 error454: what's the service do? Aug 22 07:06:47 rwhitby: provides an interface to the ffplay binary for launching media. Aug 22 07:09:41 rwhitby: The precentral app process feels antiquated. It took a long time to find the details on how it works because the whole process makes so little sense. Aug 22 07:10:01 error454: indeed. do you have a build.git Makefile ready? Aug 22 07:10:46 rwhitby: https://github.com/error454/webOS-ffplay-service is the repository but it also requires the ffplay binary to be built from https://github.com/error454/FFmpeg Aug 22 07:11:21 rwhitby: I have a packaged version that install with preware as well Aug 22 07:11:37 error454: we can distribute that then. Aug 22 07:11:51 error454: send me an ssh key Aug 22 07:13:01 rwhitby: sent Aug 22 07:14:35 error454: ok, check out preware/build.git, and take a look at how the Makefiles under apps/* are written Aug 22 07:28:03 lisurgec, hola Aug 22 07:47:06 rwhitby: Is it a requirement that services have a non-functional stub app? Aug 22 07:51:48 Lisurgec.. the logs been posted.. guess we gotta wait for rwhitby to analyze :) Aug 22 07:52:15 yeah. i took a look at it and kinda turned off. Aug 22 07:52:20 looks like a normal log to me Aug 22 07:52:33 well he will compare to a normal log Aug 22 07:52:47 hopefully something we can change ;) Aug 22 07:52:58 we have matching product skus Aug 22 07:53:05 i'm thinking that's what HP is filtering. Aug 22 07:53:05 ya u and I do Aug 22 07:53:09 yep Aug 22 07:53:12 * Jack87 is crossing fingers for "ProductSKU" Aug 22 07:53:24 so we can hopefully "adjust" that Aug 22 07:53:59 i'm sure we can. Aug 22 07:54:03 i think impostah can Aug 22 07:54:13 oh? Aug 22 07:54:21 i'm not sure though. Aug 22 07:56:05 djhomeboy, you can follow the instructions on that thread later if you want to bypass activation and use it without the app catalog Aug 22 07:58:35 ok Aug 22 07:58:42 than I can flash later Aug 22 07:58:52 if we sort this out Aug 22 07:58:58 yup Aug 22 07:59:34 it's nice to use as an internet machine ;) Aug 22 08:00:39 haha.. I want all the use.. but.. I guess when TouchDroid comes out it wont matter Aug 22 08:00:46 or whatever domes out for it :P Aug 22 08:05:54 djhomeboy, haha thats if you actually want to use android over webos Aug 22 08:06:10 * Jack87 hates honeycomb Aug 22 08:06:31 get me a working webos :P Aug 22 08:06:35 too messy and all over the place Aug 22 08:06:41 I guess we wait on Rod ;) Aug 22 08:06:57 ugh, android. i just dont get it. Aug 22 08:06:58 haha we sleep Aug 22 08:06:58 just did the bypass.. that shit is easy compared to what u had me doing! Aug 22 08:06:59 lol Aug 22 08:07:09 lol Aug 22 08:07:14 ya what we did wasnt hard Aug 22 08:07:20 jsut learning to do it Aug 22 08:07:35 but ya now you are in devmode im sure Aug 22 08:07:41 haha so all you need to do is plugin device Aug 22 08:08:23 where the hell is the kindle app stored on the touchpad? its not in either usual app folder Aug 22 08:09:04 oh. Aug 22 08:09:06 im drunk and tired. Aug 22 08:09:09 oops. Aug 22 08:09:10 and type novacom -t open tty:// Aug 22 08:09:12 lol Aug 22 08:09:20 you might need to be in that bin directory but ya Aug 22 08:09:23 found it. Aug 22 08:09:50 there has to be an easier way to bypass activation though even easier then moding the devicetools.jar Aug 22 08:10:05 i think. let me see if this is the real kindle app or the redirector Aug 22 08:10:15 * Jack87 things there is a way to access phone app when at webos login screen Aug 22 08:10:23 thinks*** Aug 22 08:11:24 ##DEVMODE# Aug 22 08:11:50 is there a way to tar on device Aug 22 08:12:09 where do you type that on the touchpad? Aug 22 08:12:33 i have not played around much on the login screen just have logged in Aug 22 08:12:50 I didnt think u could Aug 22 08:12:54 nm worked around it Aug 22 08:13:06 rwhitby, is there a way to access the phone app on the TP without logging in? Aug 22 08:13:15 ##DEVMODE# Aug 22 08:13:35 hum... is there a keyboard button? Aug 22 08:13:42 haha need some help here Aug 22 08:13:52 how? put that in one of the boxes for your name?? Aug 22 08:14:18 first screen is create a webOS account.. no other options Aug 22 08:14:40 on the phone you type on physical keyboard and it pops up Aug 22 08:14:40 oh, you haven't meta-doctor bypassed? Aug 22 08:14:44 as for touchpad who knows Aug 22 08:15:14 I have.. it was a hypothetical.. so it must be bypassed ;) Aug 22 08:15:26 right... they havent meta doctored and cant login with demo unit Aug 22 08:16:03 the palm developer page says ##devmode# to bypass activation on the TP but i dunno how you would do that without a physical keybaord Aug 22 08:16:16 ya strange Aug 22 08:17:27 i better split... its been fun. Aug 22 08:17:49 if you ever figure out an easy bypass method from login screen let me know :) Aug 22 08:18:01 yay Aug 22 08:18:06 i own. Aug 22 08:23:16 rwhitby: I've done a first attempt at the makefile, I'm not quite clear on where this gets invoked, is there any easy way to sanity test it? Aug 22 08:29:20 Does anyone know, is it possible to change the format of the USB storage mountable area to something that supports large files? Aug 22 08:33:10 elfurbe: good question, it would be an interesting experiment to try changing it to ext3 Aug 22 08:34:06 Is it mounted locally as fat32 or is it some kind of emulation layer? Aug 22 08:34:14 It is fat32 Aug 22 08:34:15 hi to all Aug 22 08:34:54 Most likely because it is shared as usb mass storage and people traditionally use ext2 or fat32 for that - fat32 is usable by everything OS-wise Aug 22 08:35:01 could I ask a question about webos structure...? Aug 22 08:36:34 Hmmm. Maybe when my new spare shows up I'll give it a try :D Aug 22 08:36:56 elfurbe: you can do this with the metadoctor Aug 22 08:37:24 Can I? I did not know that. Aug 22 08:37:39 There you can create your one restore image with the partitions you like, but if you mess up to much it will not boot and you need to redoctor with as other one Aug 22 08:38:27 elfurbe: You have files over 4 GB that you can't split? Aug 22 08:38:48 I tried to extract the sdk webos image to give a look inside... Aug 22 08:39:31 Yeah, media mostly, but who knows what I might want to put on here Aug 22 08:39:52 well I knew that the web os apps are html, css and js stuff... Aug 22 08:40:28 elfurbe: Well, messing with the partitions would be a fun project but converting your videos might be a whole lot easier, Handbrake is scriptable Aug 22 08:40:31 So i tried to open various html files related to apps... but they showed only blank pages... very strange... Aug 22 08:42:29 why is my fucking touchpad giving me an error about the charger current Aug 22 08:42:33 stock usb cable/charger Aug 22 08:42:38 just started happening, tried a few reboots. Aug 22 08:43:07 Re-encoding is no fun, I'm all quality all the time. Though it'd be great if there was a native mkv player. Or is there one I don't know about? Aug 22 08:43:14 those chargers are known to go bad in a couple months Aug 22 08:43:21 wouldn't surprise me if yours did too Aug 22 08:44:04 elfurbe: There isn't a gpu accelerated mkv player, so your 1080p videos are going to play at about 15 fps Aug 22 08:44:04 fucking... Aug 22 08:44:10 let me try it with my ios device charger Aug 22 08:44:31 elfurbe: if that, if you have the audio stream disabled Aug 22 08:45:51 elfurbe: ffplay plays mkv files, I've been testing it the last few weeks and it's not that great right now Aug 22 08:47:00 sorry I read only this channel is not for sdk,,, Aug 22 08:48:05 But if I change container to mp4, the built-in player is gpu accelerated? Aug 22 08:49:35 elfurbe: mp4 container with h.264 codec will be gpu accelerated Aug 22 08:50:31 Sweet. And ac3 audio? Aug 22 08:52:38 elfurbe: I don't think you'd want to use ac3, I mean you only have 2 speakers. Check https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/services/video.html it talks about audio formats. Aug 22 08:53:12 Oh, cool. Thanks for the link Aug 22 08:54:31 elfurbe: I'm not sure if these are recommendations for touchpad for handhelds but AAC 44 KHz stereo, 160 Kbps is what I see Aug 22 08:55:17 elfurbe: I think Handbrake has an ipad setting that would work well. Aug 22 08:55:32 Those must be for pre Aug 22 08:56:34 elfurbe: I hope to have ffplay in the homebrew catalog sometime this week, you can test out your own mkv's for yourself Aug 22 08:57:06 elfurbe: There was also an mplayer project floating around for awhile, the few forum posts I saw sounded like there were some issues on the TP Aug 22 08:57:08 Neat, will do Aug 22 09:05:18 hey guys? Aug 22 09:05:35 do you know the terminal command to go into recovery? Aug 22 09:13:57 tellbootie recovery Aug 22 09:20:29 is the preware homebrew app only availiable on the US store? Aug 22 09:20:44 I can't find it on the Australian store on my touchpad Aug 22 09:25:24 Plasmodium: yes. if you're an aussie I'll send you a copy Aug 22 09:25:37 (it's my app) Aug 22 09:25:51 Oh okay cool Aug 22 09:25:59 send it via email? Aug 22 09:26:29 alright looks like i wont be around here anymore Aug 22 09:26:33 touchpad no longer will charge Aug 22 09:26:36 any charger, etc Aug 22 09:26:50 Plasmodium: yep, msg me your email Aug 22 09:27:01 Plasmodium: where you from? Aug 22 09:27:14 Melbourne Aug 22 09:27:21 I won't hold that against you ;) Aug 22 09:27:22 piece of crap. Aug 22 09:27:26 anyway, sleep Aug 22 09:27:33 ill kick it a few times and maybe itll charge in the morning Aug 22 09:27:35 In fact give me 2 secs im gonna switch to a proper IRC Client Aug 22 09:30:09 zottffssen is me Aug 22 09:55:36 when was preware created? Aug 22 10:13:57 hello hello! Aug 22 10:16:30 I was wondering, what patches are in development for the touchpad? I do miss a few of them from my pre :-( Aug 22 10:17:17 oh and mode switcher! That is something I need haha Aug 22 10:17:54 is the touchpad developments still going strong? Aug 22 10:32:11 is anyone here? Aug 22 10:36:44 yup Aug 22 10:37:15 Can you help me with something I want to do? Aug 22 10:37:25 it's somewhat complicated and I don't know if its possible Aug 22 10:51:28 anyone know where the touchpads ordered from HP ship out from? Aug 22 10:51:54 zottffssen: what's the thing you are wanting to do? Aug 22 10:52:13 Well I'm an undergrad Engineering student Aug 22 10:52:20 And a software package we use is MATLAB Aug 22 10:52:40 and I know that it can install on Ubuntu but I want to get it running on the touchpad Aug 22 10:52:52 without having to replace WebOS Aug 22 10:53:06 you can run a chrooted ubuntu on the touchpad Aug 22 10:54:33 how would I go about doing that Aug 22 10:54:37 I actually have no clue Aug 22 10:55:16 let me see if i can hunt down the link Aug 22 10:55:23 thanks! Aug 22 10:56:55 you need information from here http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor and here http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Aug 22 10:57:33 how complicated is it for someone with only basic linux knowledge? Aug 22 10:57:52 it's difficult but not overly Aug 22 10:58:05 okay Aug 22 10:58:07 also Aug 22 10:58:16 and i'm not sure if they have much more than command line ubuntu running at the moment but others can help with that when they are awake Aug 22 10:58:33 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-gadgeteer/if-webos-is-the-perfect-mobile-os-why-cant-it-succeed/5018 Aug 22 10:58:38 I've seen some chrooted ubuntu apps running but the keyboard seems to be permanently stuck up Aug 22 10:58:47 is that just a bug that'll be fixed later? Aug 22 10:59:49 i'm sure it is something that can be fixed by adding a keyboard hook Aug 22 11:00:07 okay cool Aug 22 11:00:11 ill give it a try Aug 22 11:03:11 it looks yuck to do it on a mac Aug 22 11:03:21 reckon I should just switch to windows and do it there? Aug 22 11:13:19 zottffssen: keyboard stuck up is an API limitation at the moment Aug 22 11:13:33 Ah okay Aug 22 11:13:42 zottffssen: BTW, meta-doctor is developed by me on a mac Aug 22 11:13:58 but I have to use MacPorts Aug 22 11:14:06 yes Aug 22 11:14:07 Doesn't matter i guess just gotta wait for Xcode to install Aug 22 11:14:17 download* Aug 22 11:14:32 zottffssen: do you have an arm binary for matlab, or just x86 ? Aug 22 11:14:57 All I've got is the 2011a installer for OS X and unix Aug 22 11:15:09 I'm assuming that it's x86 Aug 22 11:15:16 zottffssen: won't work on the touchpad then Aug 22 11:15:18 is there an ARM binary for matlab? Aug 22 11:15:26 not that I am aware of Aug 22 11:15:35 oh thats lame Aug 22 11:15:54 ubuntu/arm != ubuntu/x86 Aug 22 11:16:10 yeah i see Aug 22 11:16:33 I guess I'll have to wait for windows 8 then? Aug 22 11:18:35 zottffssen: you can always try to bribe someone to port octave or scilab over to webos for you Aug 22 11:19:14 I don't even know what they are, who I would bribe or how much it would cost :( Aug 22 11:20:44 but what would that do? Aug 22 11:20:49 octave is supposedly mostly compatible with matlab Aug 22 11:21:33 oh so just packages that are alternatives to matlab? Aug 22 11:21:38 basically Aug 22 11:22:05 http://wiki.maemo.org/How_to_Install_Octave <- porting instructions for another arm based system Aug 22 11:22:21 Why does vho's sdlterminal not have build files :\ Aug 22 11:22:51 rrix: he wasn't interested in having be part of the webos-internals autobuilder system Aug 22 11:22:58 rwhitby would probably know better how possible porting it to webos would be Aug 22 11:23:05 He wasn't interested in anyone being able to build his code, apparently Aug 22 11:23:23 In fact, iirc isn't that a GPL violation, if you don't ship build files? Aug 22 11:23:27 rrix: that's one reason why we don't accept binaries Aug 22 11:23:32 Yeah Aug 22 11:23:39 rrix: all webos-internals stuff is built from source, every time. Aug 22 11:23:45 (Which is awesome) Aug 22 11:23:59 I mean, the source itself is here, just not any make file or even build instructions :) Aug 22 11:25:19 * rrix sighs Aug 22 11:25:22 freakin' figures Aug 22 11:25:44 My kingdom for a terminal Aug 22 11:30:31 apparently according to some random people octave is already compatible with ARM Aug 22 11:32:42 rrix: I lost hope and wrote xecutah just to have something that at least worked Aug 22 11:33:00 yeah, I really should just contribute to Xecutah Aug 22 11:33:20 rwhitby: How much work would it take to be able to spawn an Xserver for each application you wanted to spool up? Aug 22 11:34:22 rrix: that's the next step I was working on. this whole shut-down thing has distracted us a bit though ;) Aug 22 11:34:34 It does that :) Aug 22 11:34:46 rwhitby: well, what can I do to help? I have widk and everything all set up as it is Aug 22 11:34:55 just have to track running servers and pass a DISPLAY down to each Aug 22 11:35:12 * rrix also should figure out his Qt linking issues one of these times Aug 22 11:35:45 I wish darron had used lighthouse instead of QWS Aug 22 11:41:25 Christ qt-lighthouse is a huge project Aug 22 11:41:32 I guess it does have all of qt in it Aug 22 11:41:44 * rrix blows away qt-palm-pre after pushing it out of his VM Aug 22 11:42:09 with a ubuntu chroot Aug 22 11:42:21 are the programs separately launched? Aug 22 11:42:40 or is it seamless (or near seamless) with webos? Aug 22 11:42:54 They're all in one card still (see above) Aug 22 11:46:01 stupid mac app store downloading Xcode ridiculously slowly Aug 22 11:46:22 rwhitby: Have sales of phd come up a significant amount since the shenanigans began? Aug 22 11:46:44 rrix: it's been hard to distinguish that from the pivot exposure Aug 22 11:46:52 True Aug 22 11:47:08 (I'm still kinda in shock about that one, btw) :) Aug 22 11:47:30 rrix: my twitpic stream has some graphs Aug 22 11:47:43 Yeah saw those Aug 22 11:48:03 but those were pre OMG SHIT IS CRAZY times, weren't they? Aug 22 11:48:11 holy crap it's almost 05:00 :\ Aug 22 11:48:28 crap, my widk vm ran out of space Aug 22 11:48:29 rrix: those graphs are current Aug 22 11:48:34 ah, nice Aug 22 11:54:50 hah, german hp shop does not react anymore ... Aug 22 11:56:41 noradtux_, lol Aug 22 12:15:05 Good morning. Aug 22 12:15:30 Does anyone know if the OC kernel via preware has FUSE support? Aug 22 12:16:38 hi guys Aug 22 12:17:14 where are stored memos, task etc. in webOS 2.1.0? Aug 22 12:17:37 in 1.4.5 it was PalmDatabase.db3 but that file doesn't exist Aug 22 12:17:59 objects.db somewhere, and it's a different format Aug 22 12:18:09 iirc it's db8 not sqlite now Aug 22 12:19:45 rrix: do you know exact path? Aug 22 12:21:41 * rrix find / -name "objects.db" Aug 22 12:23:55 r9s: sources say /var/db/main/objects.db Aug 22 12:24:56 you're welcome Aug 22 12:25:37 lol Aug 22 12:26:36 rrix: thank you Aug 22 12:26:49 np, lol Aug 22 12:27:59 what's so funny? Aug 22 12:28:08 Nothin Aug 22 12:28:16 ... stupid Qt repos Aug 22 12:28:28 Spent 10 minutes cloning qt-lighthouse and the repo isn't valid Aug 22 12:29:10 anyone know if it's possible to order from HP UK or German store to ship internationally Aug 22 12:32:55 JoQ, the ToS say "no" Aug 22 12:33:01 exclusively within Germany Aug 22 12:34:20 Why does it say on the VBA app store that It's available for free in preware but when I do a search for it I can't find it Aug 22 12:34:25 phoque_uni: what's ToS sorry? Aug 22 12:34:33 Terms of Service Aug 22 12:34:36 but what about HP UK ? Aug 22 12:34:42 "Allgemeine Geschäftsbedingungen" in German Aug 22 12:34:48 trying to register but no luck on adding my adress Aug 22 12:34:56 oh sorry, I could only speak for the German store Aug 22 12:35:03 ah okey :( Aug 22 12:35:11 no idea about UK Aug 22 12:35:13 do you know any service that forwards packages? Aug 22 12:35:18 uhm Aug 22 12:35:24 they're all way too expensive Aug 22 12:35:28 it's impossible for me in sweden to buy one of theese Aug 22 12:35:34 damn :( Aug 22 12:36:08 amazon is my only hope i think Aug 22 12:36:26 zottffssen: you can find it on ipkg.preware.org but there's something messed up with its metadata so it doesn't show up in the feed Aug 22 12:36:35 Ah I see Aug 22 12:36:37 :/ Aug 22 12:37:24 do you know what section it's under? Aug 22 12:37:36 * rrix scrolling back atm Aug 22 12:38:00 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/ Aug 22 12:38:03 no wait Aug 22 12:38:04 damnit Aug 22 12:38:41 * rrix is too tired Aug 22 12:39:31 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/ Aug 22 12:39:44 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/org.webosinternals.visualboyadvance_1.3.4_armv7.ipk <== specifically Aug 22 12:39:48 * rrix dumps that in a note Aug 22 12:40:04 thanks :D Aug 22 12:40:16 mhm Aug 22 12:40:44 * rrix goes to get noms while qt.git reclones at a blistering 152kib/s Aug 22 12:40:55 stupid gitorious is almost as bad as stupid github Aug 22 12:46:14 Icehawk78: all webOS kernels have fuse support, cause cryptofs requires it Aug 22 12:47:28 rwhitby: How difficult would it be to compile sshfs for webOS then? Aug 22 12:47:49 I expect it would be straight-forward Aug 22 13:01:04 Debating on whether or not to buy another TP... Aug 22 13:01:06 I have one... Aug 22 13:07:30 Can you compile from the device itself, or will I need to cross-compile on a linux machine and then push it to the device? Aug 22 13:09:41 you can do both... normally cross compiling is easier Aug 22 13:19:34 When windows 8 beta comes out Aug 22 13:19:44 how hard do you think it will be to install it on the touchpad? Aug 22 13:22:36 lol Aug 22 13:33:15 zottffssen: you sort out your vba issue? Aug 22 13:41:02 dtzWill: Btw, why doesn't it show up in preware? :) Aug 22 13:41:20 rrix: never was updated for 3.0? Aug 22 13:41:27 or 2.x Aug 22 13:41:37 should be there on other devices that have the right format factor, like pre2 Aug 22 13:41:37 I've always had to grab it from ipkg.preware directly Aug 22 13:41:46 o____O Aug 22 13:41:47 hrm. Aug 22 13:41:49 hehe Aug 22 13:42:50 rrix: what device are you seeign this on? Aug 22 13:42:53 pre2 Aug 22 13:42:59 vzw 2.0.1 and 2.1 Aug 22 13:43:48 some feed error? yuo'd think it'd get grumpy and throw an error or something, maybe it's in preware logs... Aug 22 13:44:05 oo 'DeviceCompatibility' says pre-only, hrm. Aug 22 13:44:19 hehe Aug 22 13:45:15 (doesn't work (atm, WIP thanks to Simon80) on 320x400 yet, or on armv6) Aug 22 13:45:29 so i think pre2 is the only thing missing from the support list Aug 22 13:47:34 * rrix nods Aug 22 13:47:42 yay :3 Aug 22 13:51:34 Anyone know what's under that one cover on the right side of the pad? Aug 22 13:52:05 rwhitby: updated visualboyadvance's DEVICECOMPATIBILITY to be Pre and Pre2--can you force a metadata update on that when you have a moment? Aug 22 13:52:27 (and i assume i did that correctly? Don't see that mechanism used elsewhere/see documentation for it) Aug 22 13:53:05 RavenII: afaict there's four identical holes cut for the volume and speakers, i just figured it was a build artifact Aug 22 13:53:10 a shoddy build artifact, at that Aug 22 13:53:17 Haha, gotcha Aug 22 13:53:30 i'd try to pop it off but I don't want to open this thing up Aug 22 13:53:41 Yeah me too... Aug 22 13:58:05 OH...I've been meaning to ask you guys...the one my buddy bought, he wants to give to his niece who came in from France....she's going back this week, is she going to be able to use it without hassle? Aug 22 13:58:43 http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/cracking-open-the-hp-touchpad/6253940?seq=9&tag=thumbnail-view-selector;get-photo-roto Aug 22 13:59:10 RavenII: depends what she wants to do, what applications she expects to be able to run, etc Aug 22 13:59:29 Full access to appstore....etc... Aug 22 14:01:34 howdy guys... Anyone around? Need some advice on touchpad irc clients and ssh clients Aug 22 14:01:57 totally new to touchpad - got one in the Australian clearance Aug 22 14:01:57 http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/cracking-open-the-hp-touchpad/6253940?seq=30&tag=thumbnail-view-selector;get-photo-roto Aug 22 14:02:22 There's just a hunk of metal there Aug 22 14:02:48 klunket: wIRC for IRC, Xecutah+Xserver+Xterm for ssh Aug 22 14:02:56 are the best solutions we have on the TP right now Aug 22 14:03:19 RavenII: it looks like there's quite literally nothing behind that cover, lol Aug 22 14:03:38 Right. Aug 22 14:03:48 saw pics of wirc Aug 22 14:03:53 on a pre though Aug 22 14:04:01 work ok on touchpad? Aug 22 14:04:22 ya it does Aug 22 14:04:27 wirc that is Aug 22 14:04:33 quite nicely, in fact Aug 22 14:04:42 in bordered mode? Aug 22 14:04:55 pity there isn't a synergy plugin Aug 22 14:04:57 actually, this is what's behind that cover: http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/cracking-open-the-hp-touchpad/6253940?seq=39&tag=thumbnail-view-selector;get-photo-roto Aug 22 14:05:26 What is that? o.O Aug 22 14:05:36 but we have an even better rewrite of wIRC brewing Aug 22 14:05:43 but the old version works in fullscreen mode Aug 22 14:05:51 cool Aug 22 14:05:59 http://ompldr.org/vYTAxcQ/wirc-enyo_2011-21-08_233405.png Aug 22 14:06:07 is what the latest version of the rewrite looks like Aug 22 14:06:11 we still have lots to do though Aug 22 14:07:04 wow, that looks great Aug 22 14:07:23 there a site I can watch for pre release builds, etc? Aug 22 14:07:51 Is that a SIM card reader? Aug 22 14:08:21 it will be in the preware testing feeds soon Aug 22 14:09:15 does it post notifications? Aug 22 14:09:37 not yet, on the todo list Aug 22 14:10:52 thanks for the info guys - off to give my touchpad its first charge Aug 22 14:11:09 have fun :) Aug 22 14:13:49 looks like the HP Shop + the Hotline telephone server are both down... HP just started selling touchpads for 129€ (32GB) and 99€ (16GB) in DE... let's see whether I'll get one :) Aug 22 14:15:19 ChanServ, is confused? Aug 22 14:15:32 http://i.techrepublic.com.com/gallery/6254005-2560-1600.jpg new wallpaper, lol Aug 22 14:17:45 Interesting that there's a SIM reader on this thing, but looks like no sim chip :( Aug 22 14:17:55 unless it's discreet Aug 22 14:21:44 Hello! How do you use Doctor with Ubuntu please? Aug 22 14:22:01 what's the problem ? Aug 22 14:22:13 rboatright: TouchPad won't show up. Aug 22 14:23:05 what mode is the touchpad in? Aug 22 14:23:19 rboatright: Big USB logo on the screen and nothing else. Aug 22 14:23:35 Not what you want. You have it in USB Drive Mode. Aug 22 14:23:40 unplug it. Aug 22 14:23:47 gotta follow instructions :) Aug 22 14:24:00 nodnod Aug 22 14:24:06 need to be in Dev mode, connected but "Just charging" Aug 22 14:24:10 rboatright: What do i do then. Aug 22 14:24:50 1) put the thing in dev mode -- just type webos20090606 and put it in dev mode. Aug 22 14:24:53 2) plug it in Aug 22 14:24:59 3) choose "just charge." Aug 22 14:25:08 4) Run Doctor Aug 22 14:25:13 5) PROFIT! Aug 22 14:25:13 rboatright: i cannot get past the login screen. i forgot the password. Aug 22 14:25:30 aaaaaaaaaaaaa Aug 22 14:25:39 Never do that. Aug 22 14:25:40 shut off the device and boot in recovery mode Aug 22 14:25:42 right? Aug 22 14:25:45 right Aug 22 14:25:48 Tibfib: What do i do? Aug 22 14:26:01 LABcrab: shut it down Aug 22 14:26:11 Tibfib: How? Aug 22 14:26:13 then I believe you hold the up volume rocker and power it on Aug 22 14:26:23 by holding the power button to turn it off? Aug 22 14:26:37 does that work when it's locked? :) Aug 22 14:26:45 that's a good question Aug 22 14:26:48 Tibfib: Doesn't work. Gotta do Card + Power because it shows the USB logo. Aug 22 14:27:08 did you eject it? Aug 22 14:27:13 or are you still in usb mode? Aug 22 14:27:18 Tibfib: USB. Aug 22 14:27:23 get out of usbmode. Aug 22 14:27:39 Tibfib: How? Power on and Volume rocker gives me USB. Aug 22 14:27:46 from your computer Aug 22 14:27:51 select "eject device" or whatever Aug 22 14:28:01 Tibfib: It's not pugged in anymore. Aug 22 14:28:11 think that usb logo is recovery mode Aug 22 14:28:19 ohhhhhhhhhkaay, that's what I was trying to ask Aug 22 14:28:28 Lazar_Dobrescu: yeah I dunno :D Aug 22 14:29:14 do you need to have the novacom drivers installed to doctor? Aug 22 14:29:31 hmmm, I /think/ the drivers are installed when you doctor Aug 22 14:29:46 in linux too? Aug 22 14:29:49 This is Ubuntu. Aug 22 14:29:51 unsure Aug 22 14:30:04 I did doctor a lot of times in ubuntu Aug 22 14:30:06 but I do have those drivers Aug 22 14:30:09 the doctor bundles the drivers, iirc Aug 22 14:30:09 not sure if it matters Aug 22 14:30:09 Okay, i have Java 6 on a Vista PC. Now what? Aug 22 14:30:19 command line. Aug 22 14:30:25 java -jar WebOsDoctorblablabla.jar Aug 22 14:30:34 when it says to plug device in, do it. Aug 22 14:30:37 Lazar_Dobrescu: Is it better to use Vista in this case? Aug 22 14:30:41 try it Aug 22 14:30:49 if it doesnt work on your linux computer Aug 22 14:30:53 might as well give it a shot Aug 22 14:31:03 make sure to run the doctor from command lien so you get a log Aug 22 14:33:59 do the instructions say to doctor as root? Aug 22 14:35:15 I think I am too tired to code Aug 22 14:35:17 :( Aug 22 14:43:10 rrix: same here, and just got to work >.< Aug 22 14:49:02 * rrix has classes in like 5 hours :\ Aug 22 14:49:20 I wonder if ill here back from the places i applied today Aug 22 14:49:37 having a job would be nice Aug 22 14:51:13 is there a reason the webos internals Terminal app isn't showing up for me in preware? i kinda need a functional terminal app for work Aug 22 14:51:55 directhex: what device? Aug 22 14:52:07 rrix, pre3 Aug 22 14:52:16 Terminal doesnt work in anything newer than webos 1.4.5 Aug 22 14:52:23 that's vexing. Aug 22 14:52:27 hmmm, pre3.. Aug 22 14:52:38 There's an alternative tho. Aug 22 14:52:40 does Xecutah work on there, dtzWill ? Aug 22 14:53:09 (not many wosi folks have a pre3 yet...) Aug 22 14:53:25 yeah, i ordered it on tuesday night. yay for company credit cards Aug 22 14:53:31 on pre3? never tried it, but should O:) Aug 22 14:53:40 lucky duck :) Aug 22 14:53:45 someone lmk if it does or not Aug 22 14:54:01 directhex: collabora, judging by the host you're connecting frkm? Aug 22 14:54:06 from...* Aug 22 14:54:08 what version of webos does the pre3 run? Aug 22 14:54:11 rrix, yeah Aug 22 14:54:16 dtzWill, 2.2.0 Aug 22 14:54:25 kk, then yeah should work as expected i believe. Aug 22 14:54:29 directhex: nice. :) Aug 22 14:54:32 100% recovered TouchPad. Success. Thanks! Aug 22 14:54:52 you guys do a lot of cool stuff Aug 22 14:55:41 directhex: check out xecutah in the preware testing feed... using it right now to xterm Aug 22 14:56:04 i should code, meh. Aug 22 14:56:10 * rrix wakeup-shower Aug 22 15:00:07 installing xecutah... Aug 22 15:02:39 er, this is taking its sweet goddamn time. where can i check on what the preware app is up to? Aug 22 15:03:03 oh, from the menu. there's me digging through the filesystem Aug 22 15:09:53 nothing a reboot can't fix Aug 22 15:13:27 dtzWill, http://yfrog.com/z/h4s6bgp Aug 22 15:13:55 hello :) i'm getting my touchpad this wednesday, does anyone know if there's a swedish keyboard layout patch or app i can use to get a swedish keyboard? (couldn't find any swe layout in the emulator) Aug 22 15:13:57 directhex: can i tweet that? Aug 22 15:14:07 (and do you wanna be mentioned/do it yourself?) Aug 22 15:15:06 dtzWill, it's already on my twitter feed, so go ahead Aug 22 15:15:21 dtzWill, uploading the screenshot via carbon seemed the path of least resistance ;) Aug 22 15:15:31 directhex: ty :D Aug 22 15:15:34 and yeah i do that too hehe Aug 22 15:17:22 dtzWill, i also tweeted a photo that seems like a joke to anyone not anal enough to read EXIF tags Aug 22 15:17:39 http://twitter.com/#!/wdtz/status/105658888703053826 fwiw ^.^ Aug 22 15:18:25 hm, now i have an xserver, i just need an ARM build of Mono, and i can play spacechem on my phone... Aug 22 15:20:37 hi Aug 22 15:21:21 i have the same problem: http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-apps/289569-simple-steps-install-webosquickinstaller-preware-touchpad.html Aug 22 15:21:53 what i do wrong Aug 22 15:22:49 did? Aug 22 15:23:37 yes Aug 22 15:23:41 did Aug 22 15:24:35 What it amounts to for me, I get through step 4, but when I try to do step 5, it still says no device is connected, not giving me access to Preware. Aug 22 15:25:36 did you enabke dev mode? Aug 22 15:25:51 yes Aug 22 15:27:43 it's supposed to work with windows xp right ? Aug 22 15:27:59 yes Aug 22 15:28:15 so i dont know what's going on Aug 22 15:28:23 * rrix looks at that thread Aug 22 15:28:54 man xterm looks so much nicer in black/green... Aug 22 15:30:05 rrix, needs more gnome-terminal. brb, building the whole gnome stack... Aug 22 15:30:19 directhex: pfft. :P Aug 22 15:30:35 * rrix is currently hacking together a Qt lighthouse plugin for native qt goodness Aug 22 15:30:51 directhex: You can install an ubuntu chroot and not have to rebuild that disaster you people call a stack :) Aug 22 15:31:21 do you know an issues with phone app on 2.1.0? Aug 22 15:31:33 jhojho: which kernel is yours in preware? Aug 22 15:31:47 r9s: I've not had any issues on vzw 2.1 with it Aug 22 15:32:17 HPwebOS: IDK why those instructions wouldn't work, I do that every time I doctor :( Aug 22 15:32:22 god damn it Aug 22 15:32:33 I cant call and answer calls Aug 22 15:32:43 i dont know Aug 22 15:32:47 it sucks Aug 22 15:32:48 rebooting does not fix it Aug 22 15:32:52 no Aug 22 15:33:04 mmmm, http://drippic.com/node/32635 Aug 22 15:33:17 hi, need help with webos docgor Aug 22 15:33:20 on ubuntu Aug 22 15:33:27 I got meta doctor doemloaded Aug 22 15:33:39 Oops, that's not my work IRC channel or anything >.< Aug 22 15:33:41 and the doctor file in downloads dir Aug 22 15:33:45 yesterday it works Aug 22 15:34:00 rrix: how're you changing the colors? Aug 22 15:34:02 hmm, I'm just gonna reshot that Aug 22 15:34:09 and when I compile Aug 22 15:34:12 dtzWill: added -fg and -bg to xterm's xecutah.sh Aug 22 15:34:20 kk, nifty. Aug 22 15:34:26 someone should tweaks-ify that :D Aug 22 15:34:32 it says that to download the doctor file and put it in the downloadsmdir Aug 22 15:34:34 hmm, purrhaps :) Aug 22 15:34:39 someone help? Aug 22 15:34:53 hm, apparently I can't delete drippic uplods Aug 22 15:34:55 well shit Aug 22 15:35:19 rrix Aug 22 15:35:24 Hi Aug 22 15:35:50 hey, doctor help? Aug 22 15:35:54 Did you try to download the doctor file and put it in the downloads dir? Aug 22 15:35:55 I have noobuntu now Aug 22 15:35:58 yes Aug 22 15:36:00 via cms Aug 22 15:36:02 cmd Aug 22 15:36:08 I mean Aug 22 15:36:10 termknal Aug 22 15:36:25 and what happened/ Aug 22 15:36:25 how to restart java services on 2.1.0? Aug 22 15:36:28 HPwebOS: are you certain your touchpad is in dev mode? Aug 22 15:36:36 yes Aug 22 15:36:39 i am Aug 22 15:36:49 and is not in usb drive mode either? Aug 22 15:36:49 yes Aug 22 15:36:50 r9s: Preware can restart java services, iirc using the dropdown Aug 22 15:36:54 no Aug 22 15:36:58 rrix Aug 22 15:37:00 thx Aug 22 15:37:02 and i dont click set change password Aug 22 15:37:10 and i dont click usb mode or cancel Aug 22 15:37:12 siestacat: Yes is not the answer to the question I asked :) Aug 22 15:37:17 rrix I get the command line make error Aug 22 15:37:22 Ok... Aug 22 15:37:25 I downloads the doxtor Aug 22 15:37:44 Damn auto correct Aug 22 15:37:51 I am unable to install preware from the computer Aug 22 15:37:54 oh now, preware won't restart java Aug 22 15:37:54 please help Aug 22 15:38:31 I have tried the .exe and using webos quick install Aug 22 15:39:00 any advice would be great Aug 22 15:39:22 rrix Aug 22 15:39:42 Yes, hi Aug 22 15:39:45 I get a make error Aug 22 15:39:51 Cool. What kind? Aug 22 15:39:55 saying download the file Aug 22 15:40:00 the webos file Aug 22 15:40:13 do I have to restart it so that it shows the USB connect at startup Aug 22 15:40:16 ????? Aug 22 15:40:16 Can you put the output on pastebin.com and give me a linnk so that we don't have to guess/ Aug 22 15:40:29 Guest92664: No Aug 22 15:40:40 rrix I can but have to go right now Aug 22 15:40:44 Guest92664: Enable dev mode, plug it in, and launch WOSI Aug 22 15:40:48 siestacat: lol, ok Aug 22 15:40:48 I'll catch up with you in a bit Aug 22 15:40:54 I will probably not be here. Aug 22 15:40:59 * rrix headsplodes Aug 22 15:41:07 lol Aug 22 15:41:31 it said dev mode is enabled, so what do I do now? Aug 22 15:41:40 HPwebOS: Does WOSQI gives any log when it fails? when run from the command line that is Aug 22 15:42:01 i did not tried command line Aug 22 15:42:04 no, it hangs for 15 minutes Aug 22 15:42:15 ...but Aug 22 15:42:24 a dos windows pop Aug 22 15:42:30 and it says remove Aug 22 15:42:37 remove? Aug 22 15:42:48 yes Aug 22 15:42:53 only 1 word? Aug 22 15:42:55 and it goes off Aug 22 15:42:58 no Aug 22 15:42:59 o.O Aug 22 15:43:00 hum Aug 22 15:43:03 let me try again Aug 22 15:43:09 tryu from command line Aug 22 15:43:10 just in case Aug 22 15:43:12 i will try to screenshot that Aug 22 15:43:18 ok Lazar_Dobrescu Aug 22 15:43:51 hello??? Aug 22 15:46:02 how long should it take to install preware? Aug 22 15:46:26 not very long Aug 22 15:47:46 do i need patches to run quick install ? Aug 22 15:47:56 No Aug 22 15:48:08 It should Just Work. Iunno why HPwebOS and Guest92664 are having issues Aug 22 15:48:39 Guest92664 what windows Aug 22 15:48:56 are u Aug 22 15:49:56 windows 7 Aug 22 15:50:01 ok Aug 22 15:50:07 heh, my mum Aug 22 15:50:09 and osx lion Aug 22 15:50:14 heh, my mum's mad I didn't get her a touchpad :( Aug 22 15:50:21 lol Aug 22 15:50:55 WOQI works on touchpas right ? Aug 22 15:50:59 d* Aug 22 15:51:04 S* Aug 22 15:51:05 yes Aug 22 15:51:51 upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart Aug 22 15:53:30 grats, your irc is now in dev mode. Aug 22 15:53:55 "your device is in developper mode. you may use Palm Mojo SDK tools to connect to the device" Aug 22 15:54:16 i will run WOQI now (unconnected) Aug 22 15:54:35 4.2.3 Aug 22 15:55:01 "driver novacom. instlla now?" YES Aug 22 15:55:36 "success" Aug 22 15:55:58 "no device connected. connect a device" Aug 22 15:56:20 i dont click Aug 22 15:56:27 i connect in dev mode Aug 22 15:57:00 "USB mode OR Cancel" Aug 22 15:57:03 i do nothing Aug 22 15:57:18 i click yes on pc Aug 22 15:57:37 who in here has bought more than....6? Aug 22 15:57:40 and it ask again Aug 22 15:57:41 and why?.... Aug 22 15:57:43 and again Aug 22 15:58:04 its says no device connectede Aug 22 15:58:08 again and again Aug 22 15:58:25 ... Aug 22 15:58:31 RavenII: They make good christmas presents? :) Aug 22 15:58:48 I guess.... Aug 22 15:59:30 it was showing the dos box only the first time i've installed WOQI Aug 22 15:59:38 not anymore Aug 22 16:01:12 i deconnect the touchpad and reboot the pc & touchpas Aug 22 16:01:14 d* Aug 22 16:01:59 brb Aug 22 16:02:09 if you have the novacom tools you can do "novacom -l" to see if the device is available Aug 22 16:04:07 there can sometimes be issues with the system USB connection as well. depending on OS you can use various tools to confirm the system sees a device at all over USB Aug 22 16:04:23 hi, where can I find a tutorial on creating patches for webOS? how does the submit process work in general? Aug 22 16:05:31 Cool, one of my photos is a Fedora 16 supplemental wallpaper ;3 Aug 22 16:08:28 hello if they port the wbeos to android Aug 22 16:08:39 so is there a lot of apps like a jailbreaked iphone? Aug 22 16:09:20 how should that work? Aug 22 16:10:30 I'd imagine that it'd have access to the same stuff from, say, cyanogenmod. But that's not really what we do in this channel :) Aug 22 16:11:35 ah Aug 22 16:12:01 so where i ahve than go to? Aug 22 16:12:18 #touchdroid on some network that's not freenode, iirc. (efnet, maybe?) Aug 22 16:13:17 http://touch-droid.com/ <== when it's not down Aug 22 16:14:27 the touchdroid irc channel is on freenode too Aug 22 16:14:44 hey, if i wanted to modify the ubuntuchroot package to work with arch, could i do so, or would you rather me start from scratch? Aug 22 16:14:54 Is it? ok Aug 22 16:15:20 sailerboy: Do what works best, give back patches when you're done ;) Aug 22 16:16:52 rrix, who's the developer for ubuntu-chroot Aug 22 16:17:11 . Aug 22 16:17:18 iunno Aug 22 16:17:22 , Aug 22 16:17:42 allrighty, well, i'll just blatently copy it and use it for personal use, until i find the dev Aug 22 16:17:47 ;) Aug 22 16:18:04 Prolly Rod, judging by the page history at http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=UbuntuChroot&action=history Aug 22 16:20:53 does Rod frequent IRC? Aug 22 16:21:01 Yes, rwhitby Aug 22 16:21:11 he's .au though so it's the middle of the night Aug 22 16:21:23 right... Aug 22 16:23:00 Gotta head over to campus Aug 22 16:23:01 * rrix & Aug 22 16:28:47 what exactly means "VZW"? Aug 22 16:28:54 verizon Aug 22 16:29:22 should I install vzw or not? http://en.m.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch:AdvancedSystemMenus?wasRedirected=true Aug 22 16:29:33 "verizon wireless" Aug 22 16:29:49 I have pre minus with webos 2.1.0 Aug 22 16:31:03 I dont know what version I have: world release or non wr Aug 22 16:31:16 how can I check it? Aug 22 16:32:10 r9s, does it use a sim card? Aug 22 16:32:22 yes Aug 22 16:32:31 its gsm model Aug 22 16:32:39 r9s, then it is NOT verizon Aug 22 16:33:16 ok, but why verizon phones has different patches? Aug 22 16:35:00 this is almost on topic here http://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/biz-enterprise/486133-a-look-at-oregon-state-universitys-open-source-lab Aug 22 16:43:15 if someone can help me with creating a patch, please query me...thanks Aug 22 17:00:56 News Flash: HP DDOS's all major online retailors websites, including their own, all weekend long! Aug 22 17:01:09 lol Aug 22 17:01:17 and now CDW is being DDOS's too Aug 22 17:01:34 yea, tried that one, and it wouldn't let me get my order through before it fell on it's face Aug 22 17:01:43 same Aug 22 17:02:00 newegg hasn't repriced :-( Aug 22 17:02:13 see pm Aug 22 17:02:34 :-) Aug 22 17:02:50 android users are fun Aug 22 17:03:07 oh hey Aug 22 17:03:15 for some definition of "fun" Aug 22 17:03:18 i found a nice and easily formatted chroot for arch linux Aug 22 17:03:19 Are the ringer switch and volume buttons controlled by Luna? Aug 22 17:03:36 for the OMAP processors Aug 22 17:03:37 lol Aug 22 17:03:52 i can literally just drag and drop it into the current ubuntu chroot package Aug 22 17:06:26 If I installed java with ubuntuchroot, would it work in the webos browser? Aug 22 17:09:44 RobbieJ, probably not Aug 22 17:10:10 the point of a chroot is so that that part is isolated from the rest of the tablet Aug 22 17:10:25 That's what I though, just wasn't 100% sure Aug 22 17:10:28 thought* Aug 22 17:10:32 assuming java has an ARM version though, you could install chrome or firefox Aug 22 17:10:34 and install java that way Aug 22 17:22:07 Is there a way to download flash games then play them from the local storage in the webos browser? Aug 22 17:23:53 Abyssul, there's a patch that allows you to browse files Aug 22 17:23:59 Nvm, hopes this works. http://android-pads.com/how-to-download-flash-games-to-play-locally-on-your-honeycomb-tab-2/ Aug 22 17:25:47 I dont have my tablet though :\ Aug 22 17:26:10 I wonder if it will load on my pre2 Aug 22 17:27:14 Does sdlterminal take a long time to install (minutes+) or has my install hung? Aug 22 17:27:36 Probably hung Aug 22 17:27:48 are you installjng from preware or using an ipk? Aug 22 17:27:57 Through preware :) Aug 22 17:28:09 find the ipk on precentral Aug 22 17:28:25 it doesnt work through preware for some reason. Aug 22 17:28:42 ah thanks Aug 22 17:28:44 you can install the ipk directly using preware though Aug 22 17:29:10 oh? I tried downloading from the precentral topic and then installing through preware as well but I had the same issue Aug 22 17:29:23 huh. Aug 22 17:29:51 idk then :/ i usually am forced to open the ipk, but it works fine Aug 22 17:30:32 Any (easy) way of debugging the install? I tried the ipkg log in preware but it only had the download info. not sure if it only updates in stages though? Aug 22 17:31:50 anyone know if there are a couple of touchpads still on sale for 99 USD ? Aug 22 17:32:15 shadeslayer: theyre about. have to watch #webos ane act quickly Aug 22 17:32:36 oic Aug 22 17:32:53 rrix: turns out ... the shipping will double the cost for me :P Aug 22 17:33:03 ouch Aug 22 17:33:06 costs something like 80 USD to ship it to india :D Aug 22 17:33:09 on, right, india Aug 22 17:33:12 yeah.. Aug 22 17:33:25 still cheaper than 400usd :) Aug 22 17:33:50 yeah Aug 22 17:34:26 rrix: makes my dream of porting Ubuntu onto it a reality :P Aug 22 17:34:41 pfft Aug 22 17:34:42 whooop whoopp got my TP order confirmation from HP Aug 22 17:34:57 shadeslayer: wosi has an ubuntu chroot already set up :p Aug 22 17:35:18 rrix: i meant natively .. ;) Aug 22 17:36:15 * rrix was gonna do meego+active when he got his second machine Aug 22 17:36:24 rrix, is wosi the one who developed the ubuntu chroot? Aug 22 17:37:01 sailerboy: wosi is webos-internals Aug 22 17:37:05 oh Aug 22 17:37:06 right Aug 22 17:37:27 I modified the ubuntu-chroot for archlinux Aug 22 17:37:33 but i'm not sure how/if i'm supposed to sign the package Aug 22 17:37:50 and what the policy is on copying the code and giving credits Aug 22 17:37:55 i don't even know who the hell to give credits too Aug 22 17:37:57 to* Aug 22 17:38:17 hmm got it installed Aug 22 17:38:27 I'd tried loading it from a local http which failed Aug 22 17:38:31 But it worked from a local file Aug 22 17:38:40 Although it doesn't run :* Aug 22 17:38:42 Huge news!!! Aug 22 17:38:51 for any demo unit people that is! Aug 22 17:39:22 djhomeboy, what's the huge news? Aug 22 17:39:29 djhomeboy, ? Aug 22 17:39:42 I rooted my demo unit.. did the bypass activation and did preware Aug 22 17:39:52 then downloaded Impostah Aug 22 17:40:01 create a web os login using impostah Aug 22 17:40:13 then wiped all my webos accounts and rebooted Aug 22 17:40:29 then signed in using the account I created using Impostah Aug 22 17:40:35 put that on the wiki Aug 22 17:40:37 BAM Im in! Aug 22 17:41:24 I am a newb to WebOS.. if you want to post it you can.. just be sure to give rwhitby, Jack87 and myself some credit ;) Aug 22 17:43:38 u gonna throw it up sailerboy? Aug 22 17:44:03 djhomeboy, throw what up? Aug 22 17:44:08 oh Aug 22 17:44:09 right Aug 22 17:44:12 haha Aug 22 17:44:14 i would throw it up; its arch after all Aug 22 17:44:19 * rrix runs Aug 22 17:44:22 lol Aug 22 17:44:29 :| Aug 22 17:44:37 :D Aug 22 17:45:00 well, i neither have the permission from rwhitby Aug 22 17:45:09 nor the knowledge of how to create an ipk file and sign it Aug 22 17:45:25 I'm not sure what license preware is under Aug 22 17:46:10 gpl or mit prolly Aug 22 17:46:53 i think patches are the only thing mit ashkully Aug 22 17:46:56 preware is MIT Aug 22 17:47:04 but im on my pad and too lazy to look it up Aug 22 17:47:09 ok Aug 22 17:47:16 Essentially all webOS-Internals software is MIT. Aug 22 17:47:30 Why do you ask? Aug 22 17:47:34 i am talking out of my ass as usual :) Aug 22 17:48:47 IPK files are dead easy to create, just use the Palm SDK Aug 22 17:48:59 rboatright, if something is MIT, something under the MIT license could easily be GPL Aug 22 17:49:03 MIT is a non-inclusive license Aug 22 17:49:23 and despite the license, it'd be better to get permission from the owner Aug 22 17:50:14 sailerboy I missed your initial question. What was it you are considering doing? Aug 22 17:51:34 rboatright, i modified the ubuntu-chroot package Aug 22 17:51:36 to use arch Aug 22 17:51:47 i'm unfamiliar with the signed keys Aug 22 17:51:53 and how i'm supposed to use them Aug 22 17:53:32 Just bought 4 Palm Pre 2's at $50 bucks Aug 22 17:53:35 I am magic... Aug 22 17:54:35 Abyssul, where'd you find them? Aug 22 17:54:43 Hehe :) Aug 22 17:54:46 i may want a palm pre as a backup phone Aug 22 17:54:49 please? Aug 22 17:55:00 I want pre2 :-( Aug 22 17:55:02 I cant slick deals hasnt caught onto this yet Aug 22 17:55:08 *i cant believe Aug 22 17:55:16 Abyssul, pretty please? Aug 22 17:55:19 i won't tell slickdeals Aug 22 17:55:44 you can pm me if you want Aug 22 17:55:46 Abyssul: the suspense is killing me Aug 22 17:55:59 oic Aug 22 17:56:01 it's oos though Aug 22 17:56:01 :( Aug 22 17:56:11 Call the SMB HP store and ask them to price match the consumer line. Aug 22 17:56:15 hp.com still has them for $450 Aug 22 17:56:57 where's the number? Aug 22 17:56:57 oh Aug 22 17:56:59 i found it Aug 22 17:57:06 1-866-728-9985 Aug 22 17:57:19 Waited for a few minutes, had the CSR verify in stock Aug 22 17:57:28 Told me it wont ship for a week but thats ok Aug 22 17:57:50 Ask him to verify if they can price match the Home department price Aug 22 17:57:51 they want me to dial a 900 number Aug 22 17:57:57 rrix: if you get to know about any Touchpads on Sale, let me know! :P Aug 22 17:58:26 shadeslayer: just keep an eye on #webos i cant keep up witn it Aug 22 17:58:45 sure, but its mostly people trolling in there now -.- Aug 22 17:58:58 I also bought 2 TPs. Im so glad I have neough money from working in the summer Aug 22 17:59:26 shadeslayer: yup, itll calm down when they shut the hell up Aug 22 17:59:37 Total of $216 for 4 Pre2 Aug 22 18:00:01 Abyssul, what's the number again? Aug 22 18:00:06 the one you gave me goes to a 900 number Aug 22 18:00:11 1-866-728-9985 is what I called Aug 22 18:00:22 yeah Aug 22 18:00:31 rrix: fwiw https://twitter.com/#!/MarkWebb_Dixons/status/105658748390998018 Aug 22 18:00:39 Make sure you typed it in right Aug 22 18:00:52 shadeslayer: im on xterm, cant copy to browser Aug 22 18:00:58 ah xD Aug 22 18:01:13 rrix: basically it says that there are some units available in the UK Aug 22 18:01:30 how old a tweet is it? ;) Aug 22 18:01:41 Try this number too 866-625-0242 Aug 22 18:01:42 Abyssul, i'm positive that that's not the correct number Aug 22 18:01:52 Abyssul, they don't have anything about smartphones Aug 22 18:01:55 argos. Aug 22 18:01:57 just computers or servers or printers Aug 22 18:02:09 Oh wow my bad Aug 22 18:02:10 its 1-888-728-9985 Aug 22 18:02:12 you might get lucky. i reserved at full price, until tomorrow evening - i might get one Aug 22 18:02:20 How did I copy that wrong. Aug 22 18:02:55 Abyssul, technical difficulty Aug 22 18:02:59 please try your call again later Aug 22 18:03:03 Keep trying? Aug 22 18:03:10 I hope slick deals didnt find out... Aug 22 18:03:32 i really wish i could vim on here :\ Aug 22 18:03:43 gotta figure that out soon Aug 22 18:03:48 hey Aug 22 18:04:07 we should use an x vkb jnstead of the tp keyboard... Aug 22 18:04:42 back Aug 22 18:04:44 lost connection Aug 22 18:04:46 did anyone respond? Aug 22 18:05:08 did you have a question? Aug 22 18:05:13 hey Aug 22 18:05:14 is there something that deletes all traces of an app from the touchpad? Aug 22 18:05:17 i dicked around with the kindle app on my second touchpad and borked it Aug 22 18:05:21 ah Aug 22 18:05:34 i can just doctor but i'd rather not Aug 22 18:05:35 use Impostah Aug 22 18:05:53 can create and delete WebOS accounts Aug 22 18:06:00 oh nm lol Aug 22 18:06:12 that's not a real solution Aug 22 18:06:14 its not my account Aug 22 18:06:18 its the data the app dumped Aug 22 18:06:58 This is the craziest my bank account has ever been Aug 22 18:07:18 yeah fuck if no one has any advice im going to have to doctor Aug 22 18:07:19 yayz Aug 22 18:07:20 rrix: wait, are they getting devices today or sth? Aug 22 18:07:38 Just doctor the damn thing Aug 22 18:07:56 but my preware patches :( Aug 22 18:08:00 click click install sucks Aug 22 18:08:13 if only preware had accounts and just resored what you dled on next install Aug 22 18:08:27 you can delete the app bits easily enough including those down in /media/internal but if the internal DB has residue it can be harder to clean up Aug 22 18:08:27 Save and restore Aug 22 18:08:35 doesnt work correctly. Aug 22 18:08:39 shadeslayer: "soon" Aug 22 18:08:41 blah: that's what the save package list option is for Aug 22 18:08:46 reflash via doctor if you're that borked Aug 22 18:08:51 thanks bhern Aug 22 18:08:51 I can get my device from doctor to full setup in a hour Aug 22 18:09:07 Save/restore + Palm Profile 2.0 = easy Aug 22 18:12:52 Abyssul, i just got a pre for my brother Aug 22 18:13:13 Abyssul, how long did it take for you to get the email? Aug 22 18:14:24 a minute Aug 22 18:15:45 Abyssul, i still have not gotten my email Aug 22 18:16:02 Then they give you a order number? Aug 22 18:16:27 no Aug 22 18:16:29 did they give one to you? Aug 22 18:16:45 Yea lol Aug 22 18:16:58 Told me to write down the order number and also sent the email invoice Aug 22 18:19:07 they didn't tell me that Aug 22 18:20:04 Abyssul, what does a minute mean? Aug 22 18:20:05 like 10 min? Aug 22 18:20:07 15 min? Aug 22 18:20:08 1 min? Aug 22 18:20:51 I got the notification for my email 30 seconds after we hung up Aug 22 18:20:56 i have my cc number Aug 22 18:20:59 maybe they can look it up taht way Aug 22 18:21:15 You could. Call them back tomorrow and ask for them to re email the invoice and order Aug 22 18:22:35 tomorrow you think? Aug 22 18:24:11 You could call now I suppose. Give it a hour though Aug 22 18:29:04 http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3416&p=70118#post70118 for anyone with a demo touchpad Aug 22 18:32:46 Why cant you just webos doctor a demo unit? Aug 22 18:33:03 serial is blacklisted from creating a webos account Aug 22 18:33:15 Wow, really... Aug 22 18:33:23 what about logging in to existing? Aug 22 18:33:40 that must work.. as I created a webos account using impostah Aug 22 18:33:46 So cant you just webos doctor and bypass activation? Aug 22 18:33:55 then install preware Aug 22 18:33:57 djhomeboy, are they pretty cheap? Aug 22 18:33:57 then impostah Aug 22 18:34:17 I paid same price! thats why I went to the trouble to figure it out! Aug 22 18:34:28 Nice Aug 22 18:34:35 I wouldnt pay normal price for a demo unit... Aug 22 18:34:43 Whats the story behind a demo unit... Aug 22 18:34:47 it was a mistake Aug 22 18:34:56 demo units are blacklisted from creating a webos account Aug 22 18:35:01 HP SMB is sold out of pre2's Aug 22 18:35:11 let em start selling pre3's! Aug 22 18:35:26 happycube, Really...? Aug 22 18:35:30 yeah, i *just* called Aug 22 18:35:32 yeah! want pre3 Aug 22 18:35:38 they said within the last hour... Aug 22 18:35:45 Thats BS Aug 22 18:35:52 I just ordered 30 minutes ago for 4 Pre2's Aug 22 18:36:09 He siad it wouldnt ship for a week but verified the stock Aug 22 18:36:26 humm Aug 22 18:36:34 it sounded like they had *just* sold out of the allocation Aug 22 18:36:37 Try again Aug 22 18:36:51 happycube, i called and got one Aug 22 18:36:55 pre 3 will sell for 75$ unlocked in EU? :( but none in america :( Aug 22 18:36:58 Call 888-728-9985 Aug 22 18:37:09 i'll try in a little while Aug 22 18:37:15 I have nothing to do with a Pre3 anyways. I cant hack it onto Sprint... Aug 22 18:37:32 what's the difference between pre2 and pre3 Aug 22 18:37:39 pre3 has very different hw Aug 22 18:37:41 1 Aug 22 18:37:49 no oreo, qualcomm cpu/baseband Aug 22 18:37:58 Pre3 has bigger screen and resolution and a front camera Aug 22 18:38:12 1 Aug 22 18:38:15 Pre2 is solid though Aug 22 18:38:32 oh, it got canceled in the US Aug 22 18:38:47 could get an EU one and use it with just EDGE instead of 3G :) Aug 22 18:39:06 rrix: PM Aug 22 18:39:13 an unlocked pre2 will work with 3G on AT&T right? Aug 22 18:39:16 yeah Aug 22 18:39:23 not if it's an EU one I think Aug 22 18:39:24 I might have to give in and go with a pre2 eventually (stuck on VZW for a while) Aug 22 18:40:21 Pre2 rocks Aug 22 18:40:27 Waiting for 2.2 Aug 22 18:40:43 meh Aug 22 18:40:45 Where the heck is lighty web server... i cant find it in the feeds Aug 22 18:40:47 a pre 2 has a 1 ghz cpu Aug 22 18:40:51 it's in optwarwe Aug 22 18:40:53 optware Aug 22 18:41:00 (feeds, not preware) Aug 22 18:41:12 damnit your right Aug 22 18:41:19 I didnt know there was a optware directory Aug 22 18:41:22 the pre2 has a small battery Aug 22 18:41:33 Get the extended battery Aug 22 18:41:43 I'm sure they've made *some* working verizon Pre3's... but I guess I can't really rely on finding the right person to bribe... *sigh Aug 22 18:41:45 i'm getting it for my brother Aug 22 18:41:47 But its not worth it since the battery loses its capacity over time Aug 22 18:41:53 rrix Aug 22 18:41:54 i'd rather use my android Aug 22 18:41:59 i like my android better than webos Aug 22 18:42:09 i've clean my windows register Aug 22 18:42:13 ed* Aug 22 18:42:28 i'va updated all my drivers Aug 22 18:42:38 i've done everything i had to do Aug 22 18:42:44 no result Aug 22 18:42:49 the problem persist Aug 22 18:42:53 I'd rather go back to a dumb phone than use android, especially now that I have a touchpad Aug 22 18:42:58 ZeitGeist, what problem Aug 22 18:42:58 What is the promptcommand line Aug 22 18:43:06 to install WOSQI Aug 22 18:43:32 Abyssul http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-apps/289569-simple-steps-install-webosquickinstaller-preware-touchpad.html Aug 22 18:43:51 JCPDX--on Step 4, when I connect the USB, my options are "Connect" & "Close" vs Cancel. Not a big deal, as I left that part open, but when I went to my computer to hit OK where it said "there ware no devices currently connected...", that screen would continue to come up when I hit ok and not find the TouchPad. Aug 22 18:43:51 What it amounts to for me, I get through step 4, but when I try to do step 5, it still says no device is connected, not giving me access to Preware. Aug 22 18:43:51 Good, simple instructions, but I still need help! Aug 22 18:44:56 What is the windows xp promptcommand line to install WOSQI v4.2.3 Aug 22 18:45:10 You dont install it. Its a .jar file Aug 22 18:45:15 right Aug 22 18:45:58 i want wIRC and the only way is by Preware ... by WOSQI Aug 22 18:46:02 to run it: java -jar WebOsblablabla Aug 22 18:46:04 RagingMind, what do you have against android? Aug 22 18:46:18 its for my Touchpad Aug 22 18:46:40 You dont run the .jar from your TP... Aug 22 18:46:50 Oh nvm, I read that wrong Aug 22 18:46:58 sailerboy, I really don't like the interface on any of the phones that I've tried Aug 22 18:46:59 I read it as "its on my TP" Aug 22 18:47:09 RagingMind, the point of android is that it's customizable Aug 22 18:47:12 I use MIUI Aug 22 18:47:20 It seems like you have an issue with novacomd Aug 22 18:47:24 it's a complete overhaul from stock android Aug 22 18:47:29 yess Abyssul Aug 22 18:47:38 its related Aug 22 18:47:41 Go to the driver manager Aug 22 18:47:44 http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1245 Aug 22 18:47:45 yey Aug 22 18:47:50 touchpad got it's section on XDA Aug 22 18:47:51 uninstall fully the novacomd driver Aug 22 18:48:13 euh ok i'm gonna try Aug 22 18:48:37 What OS and what bit is your OS? Aug 22 18:49:27 HP TouchPad webOS 3.0.2 32 Go Aug 22 18:49:43 PC: Windows XP SP3 32 bits Aug 22 18:50:16 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/opensource/novacom/novacom-win-32.tgz Aug 22 18:50:21 Download the novacom driver here Aug 22 18:50:33 ok Aug 22 18:51:12 unpack with your favorite archive manager Aug 22 18:51:23 (eg, 7-zip, winzip, winrar, etc) Aug 22 18:53:14 could he use webos qi to install novacom? Aug 22 18:53:23 He tried that Aug 22 18:53:28 ah Aug 22 18:53:35 Maybe the driver conflicted or was installed wrong Aug 22 18:53:41 oh wow Aug 22 18:53:46 Had him uninstall it and now reinstall with the novacom installer Aug 22 18:53:48 i've found the problem Aug 22 18:53:55 Changed USB ports? Aug 22 18:54:01 (not plugged in) ? Aug 22 18:54:38 "system administrator has config this PC to block this installation" Aug 22 18:54:49 i've never had trouble installing msi files Aug 22 18:54:50 wow Aug 22 18:55:07 Abyssul, I had a problem with an outdated version of libusb Aug 22 18:55:14 but he's using windows, so that's not a prob Aug 22 18:55:28 novacom was easist to install on my Ubuntu netbook Aug 22 18:55:40 which of my software is blocking msi installation ... off Aug 22 18:55:44 oof* Aug 22 18:55:44 Run the install as administrator Aug 22 18:55:51 i am admin Aug 22 18:55:52 lol Aug 22 18:55:55 ah ok Aug 22 18:56:00 now i understand Aug 22 18:56:00 Doesnt hurt Aug 22 18:57:42 novacom is finicky Aug 22 18:59:21 ZeitGeist, get it yet? Aug 22 19:01:25 everyone should just use linux Aug 22 19:01:26 xD Aug 22 19:02:17 Speaking of which. That gives me a good oppertunity to install ubuntu on this desktop Aug 22 19:02:43 Abyssul, have you considered any other distros? Aug 22 19:03:14 Not really. always been familiar with Ubuntu since it has the best compatibility with drivers Aug 22 19:03:45 heh Aug 22 19:03:50 if you feel brave, you may want to try arch Aug 22 19:04:06 no Abyssul Aug 22 19:04:08 the AUR lets you have almost the exact same compatibility Aug 22 19:04:20 but it's a weekend project Aug 22 19:04:27 something you should give up your entire weekend to do Aug 22 19:04:35 Id rather not :p Aug 22 19:04:48 i don't have the option in contextual menu (right-click) of "Install as Administrator" ... so Aug 22 19:04:57 ZeitGeist, are you an administrator? Aug 22 19:05:01 i think a virus is blocking my power Aug 22 19:05:09 * sailerboy headdesks Aug 22 19:05:09 yess i'm am sailerboy Aug 22 19:05:22 ZeitGeist, push "Win key+r" Aug 22 19:05:31 and type cmd Aug 22 19:05:41 ok Aug 22 19:05:46 do you see a black box? Aug 22 19:05:57 yes commandprompt windows Aug 22 19:06:00 ok Aug 22 19:06:09 does it say administrator or anything on it? Aug 22 19:06:23 yess Aug 22 19:06:25 ok good Aug 22 19:06:38 now, go ahead and copy the directory that the install file is in Aug 22 19:07:02 then type (in the command prompt "cd" Aug 22 19:07:06 without quotes Aug 22 19:07:10 and that's a spacebar, not Aug 22 19:07:22 then right click and click paste Aug 22 19:08:19 ZeitGeist: If that doesnt work, open up regedit.exe. Navigate to "HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Installer" and set the attribute DisableMSI to "0 Aug 22 19:08:44 Abyssul, do you have experiance creating ipk files? Aug 22 19:08:51 stop Aug 22 19:09:02 cd blabla Aug 22 19:09:12 ZeitGeist, what? Aug 22 19:09:21 just hit enter after you typed that Aug 22 19:09:27 copy novacominstaller_x86.msi Aug 22 19:09:34 file not found Aug 22 19:09:38 ô_O Aug 22 19:09:43 :| Aug 22 19:09:49 do what Abyssul said then Aug 22 19:09:53 sailerboy, not really. What do you need? Aug 22 19:09:56 well Aug 22 19:09:59 i unpacked an ipk file Aug 22 19:10:00 it IS there Aug 22 19:10:02 and made a few changes Aug 22 19:10:07 now i want to repack it Aug 22 19:10:09 i see it in the other windows Aug 22 19:10:10 lol Aug 22 19:10:28 copy the file back in Aug 22 19:10:28 i don't know waht the cert.pem, pubkey,pem, and signature.sha1 do Aug 22 19:10:30 or are supposed to do Aug 22 19:10:35 Abyssul, i did Aug 22 19:10:38 but how do i repack it Aug 22 19:10:40 I just drag and drop the file back into 7-zip Aug 22 19:10:47 Its already packed? Aug 22 19:10:54 no, i edited a lot of files Aug 22 19:10:55 in a directory Aug 22 19:10:58 sailerboy: easiest way to make ipkd files is to install palm-sdk and use palm-package Aug 22 19:11:13 that was my first guess^ Aug 22 19:11:22 elpollodiablo1, then what are the cert.pem, pubkey.pem, and signature.sha1 for? Aug 22 19:11:34 C:\Documents and Settings\Propriétaire\Mes documents\Downloads\HP webOS TouchPad\NovacomInstaller_x86.msi Aug 22 19:12:57 seems the webos email app won't talk to an smtp server over ssl whose ssl cert isn't in the built-in list o' certs :( Aug 22 19:13:29 you can add certs from my understanding Aug 22 19:14:30 elpollodiablo1, ah, i understand better now Aug 22 19:15:04 OK, i have a package Aug 22 19:15:06 let's see what happens Aug 22 19:15:51 elpollodiablo1, so if i modified another person's package, what's the policy? Aug 22 19:16:04 right now, it's for personal use, but what if i wanted to release it Aug 22 19:16:21 is the stuff opensource? Aug 22 19:16:26 Depends what their license is Aug 22 19:16:31 elpollodiablo1, i have no idea Aug 22 19:16:34 it's from preware Aug 22 19:16:37 what is the app? Aug 22 19:16:40 i modified the ubuntu-chroot app Aug 22 19:16:43 i wasn't able to find the license Aug 22 19:16:49 Preware is automatically GPL Aug 22 19:17:02 Unless stated Aug 22 19:17:02 Abyssul, i thought it was MIT? Aug 22 19:17:06 Was it? Aug 22 19:17:10 IIRC Aug 22 19:17:14 that's why i'm having this problem Aug 22 19:17:15 I am surprised I couldnt find ubuntu chroot on the http://git.webos-internals.org/ Aug 22 19:17:27 if it were GPL, i could just release it and give credit to who made it Aug 22 19:17:57 but because it's MIT, and they didn't specify a license, it's a permission based license to my understanding Aug 22 19:18:11 Abyssul look here what's happening http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/novacominstaller-x86-problem,156ccfbaed1acb647ef241f536be5136.jpg.html Aug 22 19:18:11 MIt is open source based Aug 22 19:18:27 Abyssul, yes, but it's basically a fuck-all license Aug 22 19:18:32 you can do pretty much whatever you want Aug 22 19:18:34 preware has a "license" field that tells you what the license of the package you're installing is Aug 22 19:18:47 orly? Aug 22 19:18:50 i missed that Aug 22 19:19:17 Yeah its a attribute at the bottom Aug 22 19:19:27 of the detail page list Aug 22 19:20:00 ah Aug 22 19:20:01 GPL Aug 22 19:20:04 Ye[ Aug 22 19:20:06 Yep* Aug 22 19:20:13 so that means that i have to give credit to whoever made it Aug 22 19:20:27 so, um Aug 22 19:20:29 who made it? Aug 22 19:20:54 rwhitby probably Aug 22 19:20:57 http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html Aug 22 19:21:01 webos-internals or rwhitby Aug 22 19:21:36 hmm Aug 22 19:21:39 it's not working :|\ Aug 22 19:21:54 ZeitGeist, did you follow my last reply to you? Aug 22 19:22:08 ZeitGeist, If that doesnt work, open up regedit.exe. Navigate to "HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Installer" and set the attribute DisableMSI to "0 Aug 22 19:22:09 what was it Aug 22 19:22:16 ok Aug 22 19:23:07 anyone have experiance with Xecutah? Aug 22 19:23:15 yes Aug 22 19:23:43 scoutcamper, why won't my application show up in Xecutah Aug 22 19:24:01 Jeez, slickdeals thread for TP is at 1555 pages Aug 22 19:24:13 I basically copy/pasted the ubuntu chroot app Aug 22 19:24:17 but it's not showing up Aug 22 19:24:19 "my application" means nothing Aug 22 19:24:51 scoutcamper, i'm trying to create an arch chroot application Aug 22 19:24:51 HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Installer I have only one key (and it looks not good) and it is "EnableAdminTSRemote" set to 1 Aug 22 19:25:02 but i'm unable to get it to show up in the touchpad Aug 22 19:25:39 sailerboy, ahhh, that is nto a question for me, rwhitby or dtzWill would know Aug 22 19:25:43 is the ubuntu chroot support built into xechutah? Aug 22 19:26:01 I remember a changelog note saying that support for it was added Aug 22 19:26:31 if it is, then i really need to talk to rwhitby or dtzWill Aug 22 19:26:40 RagingMind, i think you are right Aug 22 19:26:51 if it's built in, that's dumb Aug 22 19:27:04 it's probably the easiest way at this point Aug 22 19:27:11 and it's in the testing feeds for a reason :-P Aug 22 19:27:25 ya :| Aug 22 19:27:30 it's spiffy, but not quite done yet ;) Aug 22 19:27:40 sailerboy, xecutah source is freeley avaliable Aug 22 19:27:41 i'm not prepared to edit Xecutah Aug 22 19:27:46 scoutcamper, i know Aug 22 19:27:51 i'd rather talk to rwhitby though Aug 22 19:27:59 or whoever the other one was Aug 22 19:28:13 dtzWill, Aug 22 19:30:46 ZeitGeist, Create a dword attribute with the name "DisableMSI" and set to 0 Aug 22 19:31:37 did Aug 22 19:31:47 sailerboy: xecutah has a list of apps it checks iirc Aug 22 19:31:52 sailerboy: If you are interested in doing some dev work for Xecutah and such you can play around with this http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Xecutah Aug 22 19:31:57 still blocked Aug 22 19:32:31 You would have to restart your computer, but I also wanna try another thing before restarting Aug 22 19:32:46 ok Aug 22 19:33:04 start < run, type mmc Aug 22 19:33:30 On the File menu, click Add/Remove Snap-in. Click Add. Under Available Stand-alone Snap-ins, click Group Policy, and then click Add. If you do not want to edit the Local Computer policy, click Browse to locate the group policy object that you want. Supply your user name and password if prompted, and then when you return to the Select Group Policy Object dialog box, click Finish. Aug 22 19:33:31 then? Aug 22 19:33:40 ok wait Aug 22 19:35:08 Man this is troublesome lol Aug 22 19:36:25 lol Aug 22 19:36:35 it's says ... lol Aug 22 19:36:40 it's says ... Aug 22 19:37:41 This computer is using windows xp home blablabla it cannot be used with this version. Use User icon in the panel config Aug 22 19:37:42 mdr Aug 22 19:37:42 look for anything that restircts your installation Aug 22 19:37:48 Ugh Aug 22 19:39:11 Alright, go to control panel then administrative tools Aug 22 19:39:16 then local security settings Aug 22 19:41:04 ZeitGeist, Get that? Aug 22 19:41:08 yes Aug 22 19:41:10 but Aug 22 19:41:13 it's missing Aug 22 19:41:25 Something is seriously messed up with your installation Aug 22 19:41:30 or Aug 22 19:41:35 i cannot translate right Aug 22 19:41:37 lol Aug 22 19:42:02 There should be 7 icons Aug 22 19:42:13 Its the one with the lock and grey box (its a server) Aug 22 19:42:40 ODBC ? Aug 22 19:42:47 Nope Aug 22 19:43:37 ODBC - Composants - Services - Performances - Event Log - Computer Management Aug 22 19:43:41 1 is missing¸ Aug 22 19:43:55 1 got 4 framework.net too Aug 22 19:44:03 I* Aug 22 19:44:18 so 10 total icons Aug 22 19:44:33 your computer is messed up Aug 22 19:44:35 so am I crazy or is there no way to add a printer by hostname on the touchpad? Aug 22 19:44:42 really messed up Aug 22 19:45:05 (note: these are not mutually exclusive) Aug 22 19:45:20 is the software "The Cleaner 2012" is a real software or i false one ? Aug 22 19:45:34 a* Aug 22 19:45:38 That seems fake lol Aug 22 19:45:50 there's the problem Aug 22 19:45:56 :( Aug 22 19:46:01 idk... its on cnet Aug 22 19:46:13 Seems safe Aug 22 19:46:17 ok Aug 22 19:46:19 View this: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-security/error-the-system-administrator-has-set-policies-to/b5350e90-fe4b-4544-8549-20c6a7befb51 Aug 22 19:46:29 Should be similar for win xp Aug 22 19:47:13 i don't have "Run as administrator" Aug 22 19:47:25 that's the matter Aug 22 19:47:27 "DeWitt: webOS still coming to PCs and printers, Pre3 launch limited to specific markets" Aug 22 19:47:53 ZeitGeist, I know this isnt the best thing you wanna do, but your best bet for future endeavors might just be to reinstall the OS if you know how Aug 22 19:48:10 The policies are messed up and various components are missing Aug 22 19:48:13 lol you don't know me ;P Aug 22 19:48:21 i never do that Aug 22 19:48:26 that problem is new Aug 22 19:48:34 too much registry cleaning Aug 22 19:48:39 I can tell by your screenshot Aug 22 19:48:46 Registry cleaning doesnt do this Aug 22 19:50:06 i've changed my domain name ... Aug 22 19:50:10 MKL to DELL Aug 22 19:50:23 maybe some places did'nt changed as well Aug 22 19:50:51 elpollodiablo1, maybe later Aug 22 19:51:01 i'd like to talk to rwhitby first before anything else Aug 22 19:51:53 ping rrix Aug 22 19:52:09 ZeutGeist, Thats all I can tell you without actually having my hands on the PC Aug 22 19:52:20 yess thx a lot Aug 22 19:52:26 for your help Aug 22 19:52:26 Abyssul: HP makes zero sense. Aug 22 19:52:44 At least I know what is hapening now ;) Aug 22 19:52:46 StarKruzr, really? Aug 22 19:52:48 HP has lost their marbles... Aug 22 19:52:52 sailerboy rwhitby should be available in about an hour to an hour and a half. It's rapidly approaching morning in Adelaide AU Aug 22 19:53:01 rboatright, heh Aug 22 19:53:08 i'm going to leave in about an hour to an hour and a half Aug 22 19:53:36 they're putting it on PCs and printers but couldn't see their way to selling the TP cheaper than the iPad from the start. Aug 22 19:53:39 fools. Aug 22 19:53:57 printers? really? Aug 22 19:54:01 wow, had 1000 members join the PC forums yesterday... Aug 22 19:54:16 because I need an IRC client on my Deskjet. totally. Aug 22 19:55:02 if you've seen an HP printer in the last 3 years, webOS on the printer makes a lot of sense Aug 22 19:55:30 Im surprised by the amount of webos related posts on Engadget Aug 22 19:56:24 "They’re also planning to continue work on webOS for the TouchPad and Veer and will issue updates to the OS" Aug 22 19:56:33 Naysayers can go suck it Aug 22 19:57:11 that's great and all, but because HP has no vision, WebOS will continue to have a tiny username which means few developers Aug 22 19:57:23 Only time will tell Aug 22 19:58:03 If HP can hit it off with webos on printers and PC, and then get a solid manufacturer then it stands a chance, especially with TP's being tossed around like candy Aug 22 19:58:09 sethron: uh, hello Aug 22 19:59:30 rrix: hello, please forgive the n00b question, but, could you direct me to the location of the xecutah script to launch xterm? Aug 22 19:59:53 Oh, hello, lol Aug 22 20:00:02 You're from the twittersphere I take it? Aug 22 20:00:10 rrix: yessir Aug 22 20:00:21 sethron: /media/cryptofs/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.xterm/xecutah.sh <= Aug 22 20:01:32 rrix: much oblidged, tyvm. screen shot is very cool Aug 22 20:01:59 How much should I sell these extra Pre2's if my siblings dont want them... Aug 22 20:02:01 yeah... dtzWill (iirc) suggested making it configurable with Tweaks, I'll prolly try tonight Aug 22 20:02:13 Abyssul, 50 USD Aug 22 20:02:14 xD Aug 22 20:02:16 don't be a douche Aug 22 20:02:26 It cost me more than 50 Aug 22 20:02:26 rrix: that would be fantasctic Aug 22 20:02:27 Abyssul, i called HP and they verified that my order went through Aug 22 20:02:30 I had to pay tax Aug 22 20:02:36 sailerboy, good Aug 22 20:02:41 but my email was wrong Aug 22 20:02:49 so they fixed it Aug 22 20:02:50 haha that was my guess Aug 22 20:02:58 but i still haven't gotten an email Aug 22 20:03:02 /conspiracy theory Aug 22 20:03:44 :| Aug 22 20:03:58 they probably didnt resend the email Aug 22 20:04:02 Dont worry about it lol Aug 22 20:04:04 FFFFFUUUUUUU Aug 22 20:04:10 I WANT MY DAMN TRACKING NUMBER Aug 22 20:04:16 Just think of it as a surprise when the package reaches your mail Aug 22 20:04:27 FFFFFFUUUUUU Aug 22 20:30:37 why is my TP using upnp to ask my router to forward a port to it? Aug 22 20:31:08 haahah Aug 22 20:31:09 yes Aug 22 20:31:13 I've finally made it Aug 22 20:31:21 I am now officially banned from precentral, yay Aug 22 20:31:47 this is a source of pride? Aug 22 20:32:14 indeed Aug 22 20:34:08 And that makes us not want to kick you from this channel why? Aug 22 20:34:16 well a: because you don't have op Aug 22 20:34:20 and b: fuck you, that's why Aug 22 20:34:35 there are bunch of people here who can grab ops. Aug 22 20:34:37 Wow Aug 22 20:34:43 and i care so much rboatright Aug 22 20:34:46 so much i'll just evade Aug 22 20:35:18 dtzWill: Not sure how it'd be possible to Tweaks-ify the xterm commandline options, since i can't do service cal-- well, I guess I could Aug 22 20:35:22 That would be fugly though Aug 22 20:35:47 Like three-generations-of-slept-with-your-sister-ugly Aug 22 20:39:05 RagingMind: wait, what? Aug 22 20:42:00 error454, i checked my router (openwrt with upnp enabled) and there's a redirect for a tcp and udp port to my TP's ip addy Aug 22 20:42:35 telnet to the port, see what happens Aug 22 20:43:06 What port? Aug 22 20:46:45 a random high port. and telnetting to it doesn't do anything Aug 22 20:46:46 times out Aug 22 20:51:25 rebooted the TP, and bam the redirects show up again Aug 22 20:51:51 I had downloaded a couple UPnP video player apps, and thought maybe it was those Aug 22 20:52:27 unless apps can run stuff in the background when you first boot up (without providing any input to launch anything) Aug 22 21:02:11 AH! it's skype Aug 22 21:10:21 always the evil one Aug 22 21:18:15 can I choose to restore my palm pre's data on my touchpad later? or is this only a one-time setup thing Aug 22 21:26:43 wow, all of these IRC channels are on fire... looks like all HP had to do to generate interest was dang near give away product ;) Aug 22 21:27:53 next on the news will be "HP to have made the smartest decision ever?" Aug 22 21:28:41 If only companies could turn "giving away our products that require absolutely no service contracts" into "profits" Aug 22 21:29:00 But alas, this is the real world, not fantasyland Aug 22 21:29:00 lol Aug 22 21:30:03 aren't hp turning their backs on webos? Aug 22 21:31:13 no one really knows, I think! Aug 22 21:31:25 they axed the hardware but are saying that they want to keep supporting the software Aug 22 21:31:32 but what that means if there's no hardware is anyone's guess Aug 22 21:31:53 back to printers?? :P Aug 22 21:32:53 I guess? Precentral was saying that they still plan to bring webOS to printers and the PC Aug 22 21:33:22 and since Enyo runs on pretty much everything they could theoretically just let you build an enyo app and deploy it on iOS/Android no problem Aug 22 21:33:36 enyo? Aug 22 21:34:17 sweet... Aug 22 21:35:08 I know Enyo will run on 1.4.5 :I Aug 22 21:35:34 does one need to install the "enviroment" or something like that? Aug 22 21:35:43 and I've read of people getting it running on iPhones, and there's that rumor/story going around that one of the big reasons to axe the hardware was that an iPad 2 runs Enyo apps better than the Touchpad did Aug 22 21:35:44 hi all Aug 22 21:35:47 yeah, you do Aug 22 21:36:07 but if Palm goes that route officially I'm sure they'd find some way to bundle it proper so it acted just like any other app Aug 22 21:36:36 maybe similar to adobe air? Aug 22 21:37:03 yeah, I guess Aug 22 21:37:06 SineOt: all that means is that ipad2 has a better web browser than TP. Why wouldn't they, WebKit and all. Aug 22 21:37:19 so, Im VERY confused about a few aspects on the ubuntuchroot install on the touchpad... anyone here care to help me out a little? Aug 22 21:37:24 webos is webkit, too Aug 22 21:37:33 ipad just has hardware accelerated webkit Aug 22 21:37:39 error454: yeah, but when you're a CEO concepts like "webkit" fly over your head :U Aug 22 21:37:56 WebKit came from apple Aug 22 21:37:56 rrix: webos is a way old version of webkit pulled in October 2009 Aug 22 21:38:21 thought webkit started with KDE...and partnered with apple Aug 22 21:38:40 undrwater: apple forked khtml from kde then built off of it until it was unrecognizeable Aug 22 21:38:51 They never really tried to partner with us Aug 22 21:39:07 ahhh...ok Aug 22 21:39:26 for all intents and purposes webkit is an apple thing Aug 22 21:39:36 why can't webos have accellerated webkit? Aug 22 21:39:44 because no one made it happen Aug 22 21:39:53 basically Aug 22 21:40:06 sigh Aug 22 21:40:17 * rrix thinks he has a working xterm xecutah.sh with Tweaks support now Aug 22 21:40:21 they didn't have the time/power/something to bring in a newer build of webkit than the one they had hacked up based off the october 2009 source Aug 22 21:40:24 do or do not, there is no try - yoda on software development Aug 22 21:40:40 so they just kept fiddling with it and patching in what they needed Aug 22 21:40:43 Time/money, mostly. Palm was rushed and hadn't enough money Aug 22 21:41:11 curious: anyone succeeded in getting WebOS (1.4.5)'s internal music player to play back flac or ogg vorbis? Aug 22 21:41:12 rrix: you're with kde? Aug 22 21:41:17 mhm Aug 22 21:41:27 along with a handful of other projects these days Aug 22 21:41:28 cool :) Aug 22 21:41:48 any specific part of kde? Aug 22 21:42:16 I did plasma stuff for a while, the PIM. haven't had any time within the last six months or so to touch code though.. Aug 22 21:42:30 That and most of my itches are scratched now, lol Aug 22 21:42:36 ahh Aug 22 21:42:47 so the touchpad paradox Aug 22 21:42:49 i'm hoping for PIM update...google sync Aug 22 21:43:36 undrwater: that should work in kdepim 4.7, I think? I don't use google crap, I wouldn't know, I guess. Aug 22 21:44:11 bbl Aug 22 21:44:29 rrix: it's showing up bit by bit Aug 22 21:44:30 discontinued, discounted, now a lot of new touchpad owners Aug 22 21:46:28 drobbins: what's the paradox? Aug 22 21:47:07 undrwater: a discontinued product results in a large swelling in user base Aug 22 21:47:48 almost overnight Aug 22 21:49:34 thats nice... Aug 22 21:50:01 I went to my local staples to get them to credit me (price match) for my recent touchpad purchase. Aug 22 21:50:16 the manager said that on Saturday morning, there were 150 people lined up outside his store to buy touchpads. Aug 22 21:50:43 and this Staples is sort of tucked out of the way, not the biggest one. In Albuquerque, New Mexico Aug 22 21:50:56 he said he had 20 calls today to see if they had any in stock. Aug 22 21:51:02 wouldn't surprise me Aug 22 21:59:41 is the USB cable that comes with the TP special in any way? Aug 22 21:59:48 nope Aug 22 21:59:49 in terms of pins or whatever/ Aug 22 21:59:50 ? Aug 22 22:00:00 ok. I seem to have received a bad one that doesn't stay connected Aug 22 22:00:30 might have large gauge wire to handle 2A@5V, but otherwise not special Aug 22 22:01:54 does the US charger support 220V? Aug 22 22:02:09 (I guess the plug is US through...) Aug 22 22:02:26 I believe it does Aug 22 22:02:46 zenitram: don't know. Would have to look at the labeling on it to know for sure Aug 22 22:03:31 googled.. it does Aug 22 22:03:33 great, now i only have to find an eu->us adapter Aug 22 22:03:51 Shouldn't be too hard, I would imagine Aug 22 22:04:06 will a 1A USB charger work? Aug 22 22:04:13 (even if more slowly..) Aug 22 22:04:19 I'd assume so Aug 22 22:04:31 i'll try then Aug 22 22:04:36 when it arrives Aug 22 22:04:43 *waits for amazon grrr* Aug 22 22:05:18 eu-us plug adapter (no transform) should be less than a couple of bucks Aug 22 22:05:24 and yes, the 1A charger works Aug 22 22:05:37 can someone help me out? having trouble getting ubuntu on my TP Aug 22 22:06:14 and yes I can confirm my US adapter goes up to 240V Aug 22 22:06:27 110-240 50-60 Aug 22 22:08:41 anyone? Aug 22 22:08:56 describe what the issue is Aug 22 22:09:01 and maybe someone will know Aug 22 22:09:15 lol well.... Aug 22 22:10:04 I cant seem to figure out how to get meta-doctor to create the ext3fs partition... Aug 22 22:10:23 and cannot find the actual ubuntu file... Aug 22 22:10:32 the image I mean Aug 22 22:10:43 what ubuntu file Aug 22 22:11:08 how have you setup (edited/run) the meta-doctor so far Aug 22 22:12:17 I havent really...been an interesting process...the walkthrough I was initially following basically said do this do this, you should have this Aug 22 22:12:30 and no ext3 to my knowledge Aug 22 22:12:45 I have metadoctor compiled/installed Aug 22 22:12:55 preware is on the TP Aug 22 22:13:10 which walkthrough did you do Aug 22 22:13:17 think I have sdk and pdk Aug 22 22:13:24 err...lemme find it Aug 22 22:13:56 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Aug 22 22:13:58 what edits did you make to the meta-doctor after checking it out, and what arguments did you give to the command Aug 22 22:14:18 only what it says there Aug 22 22:15:08 no modifications really... Aug 22 22:15:29 then that's why you have no ext3fs Aug 22 22:15:33 see Step 2: #4 Aug 22 22:15:37 figured. lol Aug 22 22:15:44 2-4...ok Aug 22 22:16:38 ahh Aug 22 22:17:07 I see thanks bud. Ill give it a shot and see if we can get THAT part working Aug 22 22:17:11 tyvm Aug 22 22:20:15 speaking of the meta doctor, i tried to put webos 2.1 on my AT&T Pre+ last night, but it was stuck in the sign-in step with the "Data Not Restored" error. i did turn off data backups, but it still does it. i can doctor back to 1.4.5 and be fine, but it would be nice to be able to use 2.1. Aug 22 22:21:26 ok. gotta re-doctor it now. so far this hasnt been hard...just confusing and time consuming Aug 22 22:22:03 i gathered from doing further research that hp changed the login servers so meta doctoring would be affected, so any ideas? Aug 22 22:24:37 PuffTheMagic: any docs online for gentoo on touchpad? Aug 22 22:25:04 oh hey sorry Aug 22 22:25:18 drobbins: is this for your daily stages Aug 22 22:25:26 or is this for actually cross-compolingh Aug 22 22:25:29 compiling Aug 22 22:25:40 PuffTheMagic: either. Aug 22 22:25:55 well it sorta matters Aug 22 22:26:16 if you are just building a stage3 for a chroot, then it doesnt really matter what version of gcc/glibc you use Aug 22 22:26:20 PuffTheMagic: I'll take both Aug 22 22:26:45 on the other hand, if you are trying to cross emerge gstreamer plugins that can be dropped onto the webos userland Aug 22 22:26:49 you need the right versions Aug 22 22:26:54 PuffTheMagic: I'd like to get your gentoo chroot installed and then work on the funtoo chroot Aug 22 22:27:12 this is just for general funtoo/gentoo usage at the moment. no tweaking webos just yet. Aug 22 22:27:41 and so I can get started on the funtoo "port" :) Aug 22 22:28:41 drobbins: http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/arm/autobuilds/current-stage3-armv7a/ Aug 22 22:28:47 is where I started for my chroot Aug 22 22:29:09 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Gentoo_NDK Aug 22 22:29:19 that is where i was documenting my cross-compile setup Aug 22 22:29:27 but i havent updated it in a while Aug 22 22:29:45 and i never commited a lot of ebuilds that I dug out of gentoo cvs Aug 22 22:30:04 PuffTheMagic: so just unpack, extract... Aug 22 22:30:09 ya Aug 22 22:30:11 well, extract, chroot Aug 22 22:30:16 somewhere on the root fs? Aug 22 22:30:19 like any other gentoo install Aug 22 22:30:22 ok Aug 22 22:30:24 sans the grub part Aug 22 22:31:29 rboatright, Hello! Aug 22 22:33:27 PuffTheMagic: just tweeted those instructions.... Aug 22 22:33:33 PuffTheMagic: for basic gentoo install. Aug 22 22:40:56 Hmm... I wonder if Steam would work from ubuntu/gentoo/debian Aug 22 22:42:08 ok, doctor is done...waiting on my device to reboot again Aug 22 22:43:33 Robbie: won't Aug 22 22:43:35 steam? maybe if you x86 emu'd first Aug 22 22:43:48 Wine needs x86 Aug 22 22:44:04 maybe you could steam with wine in x86 webos emulator Aug 22 22:45:13 but it will be extremelly slow Aug 22 22:45:22 very. Aug 22 22:45:31 expect TF2 running at 0.02 fps, if it runs at all Aug 22 22:45:42 but you could say you did it. haha Aug 22 22:46:07 exactly the reason why I installed win3.1 on my android smartphone Aug 22 22:47:04 bahahaha Aug 22 22:47:12 dosemu? Aug 22 22:48:19 ok... where do I grab ubuntu now? gotta mount my ext3fs still, but wanna start the download Aug 22 22:58:04 [17:53] you can run pc games ported to the tablet [17:53] ... there are none. Aug 22 22:58:36 wrong channel Aug 22 22:58:38 luna-send is kind of slow Aug 22 22:58:44 I just cant win Aug 22 22:59:15 so...getting an error through novacom when using mount -a Aug 22 22:59:29 goes a little something like... Aug 22 23:00:31 mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs on /media/ext3fs failed: No such file or directory Aug 22 23:02:09 anyone? Aug 22 23:06:11 AHCompy_, lvscan | grep ext3fs Aug 22 23:07:06 AHCompy_, ls /media Aug 22 23:07:08 ka6sox, ty lemme try Aug 22 23:08:24 AHCompy_: there's a link for ubuntu in the directions you said you were following Aug 22 23:08:32 Does anyone know why applications complain X server is missing RandR? It seems to be in the code base.. http://git.webos-internals.org/x11/xserver/tree/randr :/ Aug 22 23:08:54 that is strange Aug 22 23:09:14 dwc-, I probably overlooked it got a little frustrated last night about the time I got things rolling Aug 22 23:09:23 dtzWill: ping Aug 22 23:09:46 AHCompy_, look @ the directions...they will guide you. Aug 22 23:10:26 ka6sox, kk Ill look back over them Aug 22 23:11:26 ka6sox, is it normal for lvscan to not show ext3 there or would that mean I need to redoctor and try to get the part. to show in there Aug 22 23:13:15 if it doesn't show it, you don't have it Aug 22 23:14:00 AHCompy_, yup, you didn't make the partition. Aug 22 23:14:09 so a Doctor is one way to make that happen. Aug 22 23:14:51 thats what I was afraid of... I changed the makefile and told it to... my SWAP part showed-up Aug 22 23:14:58 :-\ Aug 22 23:14:59 * rrix takes a nap Aug 22 23:15:09 * AHCompy_ redoctors Aug 22 23:15:12 dammit Aug 22 23:15:14 lol Aug 22 23:16:00 quick question Aug 22 23:16:36 is it true that meta-doctoring an at&t pre plus from 1.4.5 to 2.1 absolutely wont work, due to changes made to the palm profile servers? Aug 22 23:21:58 must not have properly rebuilt my .jar file... Aug 22 23:22:06 * AHCompy_ glares at screen Aug 22 23:22:19 hurry up. lol Aug 22 23:23:44 vortexef5: no Aug 22 23:25:01 i did the steps listed, turning off backups before meta-doctoring, but i kept getting the "data not restored" error in 2.1 Aug 22 23:39:20 the funniest part of this is...that when several manufacturers of NAS boxes quit making them...the FOSS project got busier and kept them alive. Aug 22 23:39:57 and the community got bigger...not smaller. Aug 22 23:40:29 and *more* development happened. Aug 22 23:42:37 i find webos interesting as a concept, it would just be a lot cooler if it was freed from HP ;) Aug 22 23:44:22 i wonder what samsung's plan b is, they're rumored to be looking past android for various reasons Aug 22 23:44:22 rwhitby, ya there? Aug 22 23:45:27 Is there any news on getting webOS 2.2 on to Pre -/+? Aug 22 23:46:27 anyone? Aug 22 23:47:46 it's pretty unlikely Aug 22 23:47:47 Sammo, 1 minute isn't much time to wait for an answer... Aug 22 23:48:39 Sorry, I just suspected that with 170 people in here it might be a bit livelier :') Aug 22 23:48:55 i'm still having problems with getting 2.1 on my at&t pre+ Aug 22 23:49:19 the Data not Restored error, even though i disabled backups Aug 22 23:49:33 I only ask whether it's possible to get 2.2 because I want to be able to pull my texts across onto my touchpad, Aug 22 23:49:53 unless theres another work around, Aug 22 23:50:17 Sammo, 170/24hrs around the globe...doesn't mean they are all up/talking. Aug 22 23:51:50 sweetness. ext3fs is there. now to figure out how to get ubuntu on her. ty for all the help peeps Aug 22 23:52:50 ka6sox, you want critize or patronise me more? :/ no offence man, i was only looking for some help Aug 22 23:53:49 Are any devs of xecutah Aug 22 23:54:10 one Aug 22 23:54:12 online Aug 22 23:54:17 Sammo, sorry... Aug 22 23:54:47 you stayed... a lot come in ask..wait for 3 minute and then leave :D Aug 22 23:55:57 Sammo, I doubt that 2.2 will be ported to any additional platforms by HP... Aug 22 23:56:26 no worries, just felt a bit unwelcome :) Aug 22 23:56:41 my fault. Aug 22 23:56:50 no I understand not by HP, but by webosinternals? Aug 22 23:57:00 since a voice is in the neighborhood Aug 22 23:57:09 ka6sox: do you have any tips for me? Aug 22 23:57:23 Sammo, unknown...but you never know. Aug 22 23:58:10 vortexef5, the only ones I can think of not having any context with which to answer is don't try to make the rent betting on horseracing... Aug 22 23:58:32 I'd of thought maybe somebody was working on something to enable texting on the touchpad, quite a big feature missing and I doubt it's too hard for some clever devs to work out :) Aug 22 23:58:44 vortexef5, what are you asking? Aug 22 23:58:48 whoops Aug 22 23:59:08 Sammo, texting as in SMS? Aug 22 23:59:11 I thought it did that. Aug 22 23:59:17 I'd do it if I had the dev knowledge, but I'm only a web designer/dev and know nout about devving for webOS Aug 22 23:59:29 yeah, through the Pre's Aug 22 23:59:54 well i'm trying to put 2.1 on my 1.4.5 at&t pre plus, but i keep getting stuck on the Data not Restored part of logging into the profile Aug 23 00:00:12 Sammo, its possible for a web dev to create apps... Aug 23 00:00:29 i did disable the backups before starting Aug 23 00:00:33 vortexef5, sorry, I've never messed with that. Aug 23 00:00:37 k Aug 23 00:00:42 I've only done some sprint pre2 stuff. Aug 23 00:01:02 i did get back to 1.4.5 with no issues Aug 23 00:01:24 Yeah I guess it is as I've heard webOS is built round HTML5? but not anything to do with networking messages across networks Aug 23 00:01:41 but when on 2.1 it fails to login Aug 23 00:04:27 hey, i'm trying hard to create another OS in a chroot Aug 23 00:04:35 any devs of xecutah on here? Aug 23 00:05:42 sailerboy, look for dtzWill or rwhitby Aug 23 00:06:08 sounds stupid, but where can I learn to develop for webOS? I'd like to help it along since HP's abandoning :( Aug 23 00:06:34 sailerboy: the chroot image itself i think is just a minimal install, i believe the one shipped on preware was built using some image-builder for embedded hardware, but i wasn't directly part of that process Aug 23 00:06:47 dtzWill, i have the chroot image Aug 23 00:06:54 how do i integrate it with Xecutah Aug 23 00:07:00 sailerboy: oh, well that's the 'hard' part :) Aug 23 00:07:07 xD Aug 23 00:07:43 I'd like to release the image that i made, if i get the permission Aug 23 00:08:18 sailerboy: as i was trying to say before (but was at work so couldn't give you exact path easily) Aug 23 00:08:26 just add your applicatoin to xecutah's list of suported apps Aug 23 00:08:47 org.webosinternals.xecutah/app/assistants/main-assistant.js Aug 23 00:08:57 xecutah has a whitelist of apps that it checks if they're installed on startup Aug 23 00:09:07 and if so, populates the list with them and lets you run xecutah.sh scripts inside them Aug 23 00:11:38 Sammo, HP is no longer making devices...not abandoning the software platform. Aug 23 00:12:02 yes, you can learn how to write for it. Aug 23 00:12:26 the sdk can be downloaded from HP - developer.palm.com Aug 23 00:12:41 sailerboy: iirc your issue was tying it up to xecutah? Aug 23 00:12:58 yep Aug 23 00:12:59 that's true Aug 23 00:13:06 sailerboy: and you copied the ubuntu package, (other than the chroot image itself obviously) so the xecutah.sh should be there and do what you need Aug 23 00:13:13 give it a go :). Aug 23 00:13:19 vortexef5: you shouldn't try to restore a 1.4.5 profile to a 2.x flashed device. you wont get the data migration that would normally occur on an OTA Aug 23 00:13:46 you could create a new profile for FU though you'd lose apps you bought from webOS app catalog, etc Aug 23 00:13:55 ok Aug 23 00:14:16 why isnt xecutah or ubuntu 11.04 showing up in preware? /me is confused Aug 23 00:14:32 They basically are, there won't be anymore pre -/+. 2. or even 3 updates. If I remember the dev letter that got sent out correctly they said that they would be: 'We will continue to support, innovate and develop the webOS App Catalog', which is another way of saying, we're going to squeeze the last bits of profit out of the devs before we sell/license it to somebody else, Aug 23 00:15:03 thanks happycube :) Aug 23 00:19:33 so theres no way of getting bluetooth IMAP supported in 1.4.5 for text messages to be transferred to the touchpad via pre's? Aug 23 00:20:43 you mean MAP profile I think Aug 23 00:20:57 Yeah sorry, thats what I meant, Aug 23 00:21:34 they still might do OS updates... but I wouldn't hold my breath Aug 23 00:21:50 there's no reason for them to lose the app catalog if they do license it to others Aug 23 00:22:26 1.4.5 cannot do MAP and the updates to do it are something difficult for others to replicate. unless the device you get receives the update (or a doctor image is available for it) I don't think so Aug 23 00:23:55 Is there not a workaround that doesn't involve using MAP for it to work? Aug 23 00:24:11 That could theoretically be made? Aug 23 00:24:22 hmmm... Aug 23 00:24:47 not using MAP. but I suppose you could look at the TouchPad JS side and see if you could do something different Aug 23 00:24:56 ...or Aug 23 00:25:15 build your own MAP bridge from the sending device Aug 23 00:26:55 Surely there would be a way to transmit the data over a wifi network, obviously that isn't as effective when you're on the move but it'd be a start.. Aug 23 00:27:29 I'm no developer really, so I'm not capable, but I was reckoning somebody would be working on it :) Aug 23 00:27:47 I don't understand why phonecalls DO work, and text messages don't? Aug 23 00:27:54 think I figured it out...I needed to add webos-internals testing feeds, right? Aug 23 00:32:49 ahh, I'm so eager to get text msging working Aug 23 00:32:57 AHCompy_, for? Aug 23 00:33:10 Sammo, what device again? Aug 23 00:33:42 Touchpad, Aug 23 00:33:51 with the Pre minus Aug 23 00:34:50 Sammo, those are miles apart... Aug 23 00:35:02 the Pre- is on Sprint right? Aug 23 00:35:12 doesnt it work if the pre- is doctored to 2.x? Aug 23 00:35:20 mine does Aug 23 00:35:23 my wife's does Aug 23 00:35:28 I'm in the UK so o2, but thats not relevant really Aug 23 00:35:32 the node/db8 is what lets it happen Aug 23 00:36:14 I thought you had to doctor it to 2.2 for texting to work with the touchpad? and right now thats not available Aug 23 00:37:00 i thought it'd be as simple as local tethering if you get what im saying, Aug 23 00:37:13 (i'm no dev as you can probably tell :) ) Aug 23 00:41:42 Sammo: phone calls work because the TP acts like a car's bluetooth system. This is why it works with ANY phone that has bluetooth. Aug 23 00:41:57 SMS doesn't work because that relies on webOS software in the sending phone Aug 23 00:42:06 hmph, no scummvm build on preware for 2.2.0 :( Aug 23 00:43:12 Ah I understand.. so it's either wait until someone gets 2.2 for my old pre, or buy a discounted pre 3 Aug 23 00:43:14 ? Aug 23 00:50:54 ? Aug 23 00:51:55 dtzWill: re VBA update, done. autobuilder will pick it up on next round. Aug 23 00:53:11 rwhitby: ty! :) Aug 23 00:57:23 rboatright, sailerboy: Preware is GPL, as is most other WebOS Internals software, except patches which are MIT. Aug 23 00:57:34 thanks rwhitby Aug 23 00:57:47 sailerboy: if you have an arch linux package, we can put it in preware alongside the ubuntu one Aug 23 00:58:12 rwhitby, I have one that boots, but i'd like to ensure it's completly free of bugs Aug 23 00:58:29 eg installing a DE and whatnot Aug 23 00:58:37 maybe by tomorrow? Aug 23 00:58:48 sailerboy: be ready to contribute a makefile for build.git like the existing ubuntu-choot-natty Makefile and we can make it happen with you as the listed developer Aug 23 00:59:08 sailerboy, what would the size of said package be? Aug 23 00:59:18 scoutcamper, probably a bit smaller than the ubuntu package Aug 23 00:59:19 lemme check Aug 23 00:59:23 ka6sox, get that? Aug 23 00:59:36 yup. Aug 23 01:00:34 scoutcamper, about 120 mb Aug 23 01:00:50 is that packaged? ubuntu is 63mb Aug 23 01:01:21 yes, that's packaged Aug 23 01:01:35 wow Aug 23 01:02:03 scoutcamper, i basically copy/pasted a chroot image for omap processors Aug 23 01:02:09 i'm sure i can narrow it down a bit Aug 23 01:03:16 this is where i got it from if you wanted to poke Aug 23 01:03:17 http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/ Aug 23 01:03:44 rwhitby, dtzWill, i've gotta go now, but i'd like to work on this later tonight, or tomorrow. It'd be great if i could ask you questions then Aug 23 01:03:45 thanks Aug 23 01:05:07 sailerboy, how about making a pared down version...something that is about 1/2 the size Aug 23 01:05:13 then let folks add what they need. Aug 23 01:05:22 ka6sox, again, this is super alpha Aug 23 01:05:25 i'm just happy that it works Aug 23 01:05:58 sailerboy, okay...but since I am thinking about pushing out 120MB things out our server...I would prefer something smaller. Aug 23 01:06:07 sailerboy: ok, talk tomorrow. we can get this done, just be patient as things are a bit hectic at the moment Aug 23 01:06:25 rwhitby, no prob Aug 23 01:06:42 ka6sox, if you want, i can just make a script that wgets the tar.gz from archlinuxarm's server Aug 23 01:06:44 sailerboy: as ka6sox says, we prefer an absolute minimal install, and then you use the normal OS package install tools inside the chroot to add more Aug 23 01:07:14 rwhitby, btw, tonight for me is in 4 hours or so Aug 23 01:07:50 but i'll see what i can do Aug 23 01:07:55 what's my goal? Aug 23 01:08:03 64 megs? Aug 23 01:08:10 sailerboy, max :D Aug 23 01:08:22 see if you can beat rwhitby's natty chroot. Aug 23 01:08:34 heh, this is arch linux, that'll be easy Aug 23 01:08:39 rwhitby, how'd you create your chroot anyway? Aug 23 01:08:48 sailerboy: the makefile is in the git repo Aug 23 01:09:21 which repo is it in, rwhitby? now that I have a TP I might be making a debian one Aug 23 01:09:34 line 55 of http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/testing/ubuntu-natty-chroot/Makefile Aug 23 01:09:35 build.git Aug 23 01:09:58 thanks Aug 23 01:10:34 rwhitby, arch doesn't have an official arm repo though Aug 23 01:10:40 so anything done will be unofficial Aug 23 01:10:55 i'm not the worlds leading expert in makefiles, so i'll expect that i'd need a lot of help with that Aug 23 01:11:45 sailerboy, um...where are these binaries coming from then? Aug 23 01:13:43 ka6sox, right now, from http://archlinuxarm.org/os/index.php?d=omap/ Aug 23 01:13:55 i'll try to see if i can't build my own custom image though Aug 23 01:14:26 sailerboy, where did that come from? Aug 23 01:14:53 ka6sox, there's a project called archonarm Aug 23 01:15:11 for the android and meego Aug 23 01:15:26 since the touchpad had the same firmware, i thought it'd work fine on it too Aug 23 01:15:27 and it did Aug 23 01:15:57 "same firmware"? Aug 23 01:16:16 sailerboy: where is the arm package repository for that distro? Aug 23 01:16:51 and source repo too :D Aug 23 01:16:56 sailerboy: note that we don't accept binary contributions to Preware - all things are built from source on the autobuilder for security, reproducibility and license compliance reasons Aug 23 01:17:05 since we would be redistributing those too. Aug 23 01:18:02 arch > ubuntu Aug 23 01:18:10 gentoo > arch Aug 23 01:18:27 PuffTheMagic what does that mean? Aug 23 01:18:29 ka6sox, i meant hardware Aug 23 01:18:30 sorry Aug 23 01:18:42 rwhitby, it's hosted by that site Aug 23 01:18:43 iirc Aug 23 01:18:44 ka6sox: it means i like arch way better than gentoo Aug 23 01:18:45 err Aug 23 01:18:50 way better than ubuntu ;) Aug 23 01:18:54 got it... Aug 23 01:19:05 and a binary distro for gentoo users getting sick of building shit Aug 23 01:19:27 but that still doesn't let us redistribute it without sources and we have to create the image on our servers. Aug 23 01:19:42 i dont think we need to redistribute it Aug 23 01:19:52 rwhitby, http://archlinuxarm.org/arm/ Aug 23 01:19:53 but feed aggregate might work Aug 23 01:20:00 sorta like optware Aug 23 01:20:20 okay, optware is built on our servers too... Aug 23 01:20:20 rwhitby, i'll make a make script Aug 23 01:20:31 gotta go Aug 23 01:20:31 bye Aug 23 01:20:48 from makefiles we have publically...and with build scripts that are public too. Aug 23 01:20:59 rather sources we have as well. Aug 23 01:21:06 ka6sox: we dont rebuild shit on precentral Aug 23 01:21:07 (and are public too) Aug 23 01:21:11 sailerboy: make a postinst which wgets the image. Aug 23 01:21:16 how would making a feed for arch be different? Aug 23 01:21:40 wget at the end solves it... Aug 23 01:21:50 rwhitby, i'll still see if i can't slim it down Aug 23 01:21:59 then its not coming from our servers...like precentral. Aug 23 01:23:51 sailerboy: doesn't matter if it's a wget. end user pays the price for what they get. Aug 23 01:26:23 I stopped using arch years ago when it started getting political Aug 23 01:26:54 hey Aug 23 01:26:57 archlinux arm people Aug 23 01:27:08 i'm the lead dev :D Aug 23 01:27:12 anyway, here Aug 23 01:27:26 https://github.com/crimsonredmk/ArchLinuxARM-Chroot-TouchPad Aug 23 01:27:36 drop in a rootfs from the site and ipk it up Aug 23 01:28:11 okay, missed sailerboy on this. Aug 23 01:28:18 he needs to know that. Aug 23 01:28:33 i need to work on it more but homework nao Aug 23 01:29:06 crimsonredmk: do you want to hook that into Xecutah ? Aug 23 01:29:21 not sure about using an upstart script to start the xterm, for instance. Aug 23 01:29:27 haven't touched that part of it yet :( Aug 23 01:29:39 yeah Aug 23 01:29:49 give me some time haha Aug 23 01:29:54 or fork and i'll pull i guess Aug 23 01:30:13 crimsonredmk: no worries, I'm in no hurry - just letting you know it can be done Aug 23 01:30:18 xecutah is definitely on the list Aug 23 01:30:33 just have to study it and this CS homework a bit more >.< Aug 23 01:30:37 heh Aug 23 01:30:52 I'd suggest yourself and sailerboy collaborate and we'll put it in Preware alongside the Ubuntu one Aug 23 01:31:29 is xterm suppose to scroll in 3.0.2? Aug 23 01:31:52 yeah, i'll work on it rwhitby, thanks Aug 23 01:32:06 PatrickC_TP: not officially from my understanding Aug 23 01:32:32 scroll down works but not scroll up due to lack of right click Aug 23 01:32:34 elpollodiablo1: thx Aug 23 01:32:43 if doesn't scroll at all for me Aug 23 01:33:10 you add the -sb to the xecutah.sh for xterm? Aug 23 01:33:13 when the cmd line text foes past the kb, the screen doesn't scroll Aug 23 01:33:20 no, I didnt Aug 23 01:33:28 oh yeah that, Aug 23 01:33:31 * PatrickC_TP goes to look Aug 23 01:33:56 PatrickC_TP: reduce the keyboard size to XS Aug 23 01:34:09 I edited my xecutah.sh and added -sb to the xterm launch section to add the scroll bar might want to add a few other commands to make it work a little better Aug 23 01:34:15 rwhitby: I'll try that Aug 23 01:34:49 is anyone trying to make the phone sync of the touchpad work with android? Aug 23 01:35:16 or is it even possible? Aug 23 01:35:26 * rwhitby wonders why you'd want to ;) Aug 23 01:35:28 sms or phone? Aug 23 01:35:38 rwhitby: worked :-) thx Aug 23 01:35:51 PuffTheMagic both, i hope. But at least sms Aug 23 01:36:04 PatrickC_TP: now, is it documented anywhere? Aug 23 01:36:12 rwhitby: no clue Aug 23 01:36:13 ramitos: if your phone support MAP it will work out of the box Aug 23 01:36:16 * PatrickC_TP checks Aug 23 01:36:30 ramitos: the phone syncing its no different than connecting with a car Aug 23 01:36:34 so that also is easy peasy Aug 23 01:36:35 PuffTheMagic sorry the n00b question. What is MAP? Aug 23 01:36:37 all open specs Aug 23 01:36:51 its a BT profiles, google it Aug 23 01:37:22 PuffTheMagic thank you very nice. I tought it only worked with webOS phones. Very nice indeed :) Aug 23 01:37:38 PuffTheMagic thank you very much* Aug 23 01:39:52 rwhitby: how do I pull the latest xterm and xserver code from the repo? I have build cross-compile all set up just not sure how to pull the latest for those Aug 23 01:41:23 rwhitby: any reason I would get this error? https://www.box.net/shared/gf6gn1n02j9i7o3vh7e3 Aug 23 01:48:05 Hey all. quick question. (I can't seem to find an answer anywhere) Aug 23 01:49:09 bah I want this process to be over. haha. is there an alternative to xecutah out there? Aug 23 01:49:46 Doctored my Pre2 yesterday with meta-doctor. After which I loaded Preware again. All seemed fine except everything I do a luna restart or device restart Preware becomes unusable (and I delete it and load it on the phone again in order to run it). Any idea Aug 23 01:49:46 s? Aug 23 01:50:39 grey icon with empty circle (like when you restore a device) Aug 23 01:51:50 Jovialmonk: did you select the auto-install of Preware option, against the advice in the makefile and wiki pages? Aug 23 01:54:22 I know what I did.. ugh.. forgot.. I doctored my old Pre the day before.. then quickly modded the make file for my phone. LOL.. I was rushing because my wife was waiting for me.. Thanks. Aug 23 01:58:39 * rwhitby bbl Aug 23 02:08:10 a-ha. lol figured it out. for some reason my touchpad doesnt like the testing repo. I have xecutah installed and ubuntu on the way :-) Aug 23 02:10:09 good Aug 23 02:11:45 yes sir. lol still dont know what happened there though. tried it many times before manually installing it and it never would work. but now I know its there, game-on. now to figure this next part out. Aug 23 02:13:57 I wonder if compiz-fusion will run on this. hahaha Aug 23 02:19:06 just found out there is arm builds for java Aug 23 02:21:44 does xecutah have an icon that its supposed to show??? Aug 23 02:22:21 * AHCompy_ restarts TP Aug 23 02:38:16 well, this sucks...Im supposed to have webos 3.0 beta to make xecutah "work properly" Aug 23 02:40:06 AHCompy_, what? Aug 23 02:42:38 AHCompy_: compiz.. willl.. work... if u have x11 working.. with opengl accel Aug 23 02:42:47 last i checked.. that meant opengl desktop Aug 23 02:42:54 does compiz do opengl-es now? Aug 23 02:44:13 ka6sox, raster, lol I was cracking a joke......but if it does, badass. lol everyone needs eyecandy Aug 23 02:44:38 ooh Aug 23 02:44:41 and I got executah going...it was just being a pain Aug 23 02:44:42 i was vaguely serious :) Aug 23 02:44:52 lmao its good. Aug 23 02:45:08 I am going to see if I can get it on here though, on the real Aug 23 02:45:28 kwin recently added opengles2 suport for compositing Aug 23 02:45:42 that would be pretty cool... 3d opengl desktop....on a tab. Aug 23 02:45:44 e17 has had it for a while now as well as software compositing so it works without gl Aug 23 02:45:49 awesome. lol less work Aug 23 02:46:15 but unless u get your webos cards displaying as windows in x it wotk hellp the rest of webos Aug 23 02:46:58 quick question.... how do you make the virtual keyboard go away in xserver? Aug 23 02:47:07 very true... Aug 23 02:47:26 maybe someone can adapt it to work with it... Aug 23 02:47:33 cube style Aug 23 02:49:38 nvm, got it. hooked up kbd and it went away **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 23 02:59:56 2011