**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 23 02:59:56 2011 Aug 23 03:01:31 sweet. ubuntu tab GO Aug 23 03:06:24 so, whats-up with the black bar at the bottom? Aug 23 03:10:44 What's up guys Aug 23 03:16:22 i give up on ever having a rational sleep schedue Aug 23 03:18:20 lost that battle months ago =( Aug 23 03:18:54 I was able to get some error messages off my demo TP from when I try to create an account. Aug 23 03:23:13 ok, trying to get sshd going. Aug 23 03:23:21 using the keyboard on the touchpad in xterm is painful Aug 23 03:23:29 I came home from class and promptly passed out Aug 23 03:24:02 only complaint on this is the fact that half the screen is a black bar and that I have to manually start lxsession every time I load it Aug 23 03:24:18 is there a firewall on the touchpad by default? Aug 23 03:24:22 bluetooth keyboard FTW. lol Aug 23 03:24:24 I'm having difficulty sshing in Aug 23 03:24:27 yeah Aug 23 03:24:39 I'll set up my bt keyboard again Aug 23 03:29:13 can't get my apple keyboard to go into pairing mode :( Aug 23 03:29:25 there we go Aug 23 03:30:42 cmon cmon Aug 23 03:31:14 blink already Aug 23 03:32:21 ah, it's paired to this laptop. Aug 23 03:32:23 gotta unpair Aug 23 03:32:52 gotta love bluetooth Aug 23 03:33:22 now I need to remove and replace the batteries to get it into pairing mode Aug 23 03:34:34 yay Aug 23 03:37:13 ok, I killed the running sshd and my bt keyboard stopped working. Aug 23 03:37:49 in xterm. Aug 23 03:38:11 restarted X, it's back. Aug 23 03:38:36 ah looks like sshd respawns Aug 23 03:39:01 It does Aug 23 03:39:35 ah Aug 23 03:39:44 seems like up arrow on the apple keyboard kills input via X. Aug 23 03:39:57 but the keys seem mapped well, other than that. Aug 23 03:40:23 rrix: ok, so I set up authorized_keys for ~/.ssh/ for root. not letting me in, and I'm not seeing where sshd is outputting its logging info. Aug 23 03:40:57 looks like there is a firewall. Aug 23 03:41:24 yep yep Aug 23 03:42:02 but there is a rule for ssh. Aug 23 03:46:19 probably my local firewall? Aug 23 03:46:22 let's seee. Aug 23 03:46:59 nope Aug 23 03:47:04 guess I"ll debug from the funtoo side Aug 23 03:47:43 I ain't getting to port 22 Aug 23 03:47:45 :/ Aug 23 03:48:45 ok, I think I'm being stupid. Aug 23 03:48:51 sshing from wrong machine. Aug 23 03:49:04 rwhitby, ping Aug 23 03:49:53 I feel stupid Aug 23 03:51:16 it happens Aug 23 03:51:53 "PRODoID" = "HSTNH-I29C" ? Aug 23 03:55:13 grabbing gentoo armv7 stage3 Aug 23 03:55:33 /media/internal seems like the place to store stuff? Aug 23 03:55:57 it's a vfat so you only can store up to like 2gb files Aug 23 03:56:04 ok Aug 23 03:56:11 /media/cryptofs is probably better but harder to backup Aug 23 03:56:13 otherwise you use lvm to provision space? Aug 23 03:56:26 I notice massive use of lvm Aug 23 03:56:31 brand new to touchpad internals Aug 23 03:56:59 use a file that is ext3 and mount it loopback Aug 23 03:57:09 ok Aug 23 03:57:29 but can only do that when the usb isn't in file mode Aug 23 03:57:40 ah gotcha Aug 23 03:57:56 VFAT = USB mountable on Windows. Aug 23 03:58:30 can you switch /media/internal over to ext3 if you want? will webos still work, just usb mode will die on windows? Aug 23 03:58:58 so is the main storage vfat, and then touchpad uses loopback devices for apps? Aug 23 03:59:25 there is a cryptofs that is mounted loopback where apps are Aug 23 03:59:29 downloaded apps Aug 23 03:59:41 what is the reason for cryptofs? Aug 23 04:00:37 so yanking downloaded apps off the device isn't as easy as dragging them Aug 23 04:01:21 hrm? Aug 23 04:01:33 would be nice if the native fs were ext3. Then I could use sparse loopback files. Aug 23 04:01:39 would be fun :) Aug 23 04:01:48 feel free to experiment Aug 23 04:02:24 have any of the new TP users had slow response times when creating a webOS account? Aug 23 04:02:43 Lisurgec. didnt you buy a demo? Aug 23 04:02:54 yeah. just curious. Aug 23 04:03:17 cause I made a rather significant change and now it's taking forever to get through the activation. Aug 23 04:03:21 today I found a work around.. makes it 100% Aug 23 04:03:29 I found an easy work around Aug 23 04:03:31 you have a webOS account? Aug 23 04:03:38 yep 2 lol Aug 23 04:03:46 what's the goods? Aug 23 04:03:54 ok so.. install preware Aug 23 04:03:57 yeah Aug 23 04:04:01 one other thing I would like to do is tweak the cpu freq stuff so that you get 2x1.5GHz when plugged in to AC power. Aug 23 04:04:03 install Impostah Aug 23 04:04:11 mhmm Aug 23 04:04:26 in impostah you can manage accounts and create webos accounts Aug 23 04:04:34 that's failing for me. Aug 23 04:04:56 I made an account then did the activation Aug 23 04:04:58 unless there's more? Aug 23 04:05:14 so when the unit rebooted it was back at the start screen with the activation needed Aug 23 04:05:32 I typed in my newly created webos account and bam Aug 23 04:05:34 it was done Aug 23 04:05:44 it wouldn't let me create an account either. did it take a while to contact the hp server to make the account? Aug 23 04:05:55 na was instant Aug 23 04:05:58 alright. Aug 23 04:06:06 i'll try again. Aug 23 04:06:16 so bypass activation.. boot impostah Aug 23 04:06:20 it gave me an error message when i tried to create an account. Aug 23 04:06:37 let me create one for you Aug 23 04:06:44 if I can Aug 23 04:07:03 wait.. if I do that it will kill what I got I think... Aug 23 04:07:15 yeah Aug 23 04:07:21 AFAIK it's one per device. Aug 23 04:07:28 i think my problem was the activation method i used. Aug 23 04:07:43 it created an account called Dr. Skipped Firstrun Aug 23 04:07:52 and that might be why i couldn't make another. Aug 23 04:08:01 that the case with you? Aug 23 04:08:29 ya kill that account with impostah Aug 23 04:08:48 but.. first I created the account then I killed all accounts Aug 23 04:08:56 then I booted up to activation and logged in Aug 23 04:09:00 that's weird. Aug 23 04:09:07 it totally wouldn't let me do that Aug 23 04:09:08 hmm Aug 23 04:09:17 there is a section where you can create a webos account Aug 23 04:09:27 for different parts of the world Aug 23 04:09:33 1 sec let me grab my device Aug 23 04:09:45 aight Aug 23 04:11:05 go to activation Aug 23 04:11:10 create new profile Aug 23 04:11:10 are symlinks and hardlinks disabled by default? Aug 23 04:11:25 make an account there Aug 23 04:11:49 i have to pop it open again. Aug 23 04:11:51 hold on. Aug 23 04:12:07 ah, I am on vfat. Aug 23 04:12:08 mistake Aug 23 04:12:41 must be rushing Aug 23 04:14:43 then I went to accounts and removed accounts Aug 23 04:14:48 then I rebooted Aug 23 04:14:59 then I logged in with the webos account I created Aug 23 04:15:43 it was giving me permissions errors when i tried that though Aug 23 04:15:59 saying that the account manager didn't have write permissions. Aug 23 04:16:23 dunno man.. I was just messing around.. rebooted and put the login in and bam! Aug 23 04:16:29 full working Aug 23 04:17:28 anoyone know how to prevent cpu#2 on the touchpad from going to sleep? Aug 23 04:19:01 what is msm_pe? Aug 23 04:20:49 i think i'm in. Aug 23 04:20:51 cpufreq stuff? Aug 23 04:21:15 quic has a really fast resume method for the second core Aug 23 04:21:19 I would look there Aug 23 04:22:36 tmzt: ok, is that a preware app? Aug 23 04:23:28 what????? Aug 23 04:23:49 "quic" Aug 23 04:23:50 ? Aug 23 04:24:04 @Lisurgec it worked!? Aug 23 04:24:46 well.. i have a webOS account for sure Aug 23 04:24:51 i just got the verifcation email Aug 23 04:25:04 hah!! Aug 23 04:25:14 see it works.. I stumbled across it Aug 23 04:25:14 hp market isn't starting up now though Aug 23 04:25:15 lol Aug 23 04:25:31 it did for me.. I had to dl the latest version though Aug 23 04:25:46 PuffTheMagic: what is the significance of masking zlib? Aug 23 04:26:03 it'll load but it's a white page. Aug 23 04:26:15 ya look for updates tab somewhere Aug 23 04:26:20 tmzt: what is "quic"? an app? a governor? Aug 23 04:26:41 it will pop up somewhere.. go to webos account or device info.. I cant remember Aug 23 04:26:48 but once you get the latest version.. ur in! Aug 23 04:27:42 drobbins: the overlay i was creating was an attempt to match version for version each package on the webos userland Aug 23 04:27:46 u see an update anywhere? Aug 23 04:27:52 and zlib was in current portage tree but just needed to mask the newer version Aug 23 04:28:01 no i don't.. Aug 23 04:28:15 hmmm damn I cant remember Aug 23 04:28:25 can you go into the software manager and tell me what your version is? Aug 23 04:28:31 it popped up after I tried several times Aug 23 04:28:33 sure Aug 23 04:28:59 oops. Aug 23 04:29:06 totally found an update tab in software manager. Aug 23 04:29:09 downloading now Aug 23 04:29:22 gaga Aug 23 04:29:24 haha Aug 23 04:29:34 I was just going to say, I think thats where it is! Aug 23 04:29:36 PuffTheMagic: ok Aug 23 04:29:38 501400 Aug 23 04:29:46 PuffTheMagic: so in theory it's possible that everything in funtoo will work on arm. Aug 23 04:29:52 PuffTheMagic: but probably not. Aug 23 04:29:53 so ur set bro! Aug 23 04:30:03 tell em homeboy sent ya! ahahaha Aug 23 04:30:40 http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/internet-high-five-place-hand-here.jpg Aug 23 04:31:45 trying crossdev with stock funtoo versions. Aug 23 04:32:59 glad I hoped on and saved you some time! Aug 23 04:34:41 jack! Aug 23 04:35:05 I figured it out last night man! Aug 23 04:35:11 sorry.. this morning Aug 23 04:35:14 drobbins: ya there is only a few things that dont crosscompile well Aug 23 04:35:17 perl i think is one Aug 23 04:35:30 most of it is autotools fail Aug 23 04:35:49 i've submitted a few upstream bug reports Aug 23 04:35:49 ok Aug 23 04:35:55 not much progress on them though Aug 23 04:36:05 #gentoo-embedded guys are good Aug 23 04:36:28 djhomeboy, did you change your sku in order to get it to work? Aug 23 04:36:35 nope Aug 23 04:36:39 weird. Aug 23 04:36:41 cause i did. Aug 23 04:36:41 is urs working? Aug 23 04:36:46 yeah. Aug 23 04:36:54 i did the same thing you did, just slightly differently. Aug 23 04:37:03 na u just need to get rid of the DRSKIPPED and create a webos account Aug 23 04:37:09 once that happens ur golden it seems Aug 23 04:37:35 cause what i did was change the device sku, then reset the palm account. Aug 23 04:37:53 the legitimate firstrun activation is what worked after that. Aug 23 04:38:01 yep Aug 23 04:40:19 drobbins: qualcomm innovation center Aug 23 04:40:39 i'm gonna write up a wiki page on this process, feel free to contribute dj Aug 23 04:42:03 write it up.. then just include me somewhere in the credits :P Aug 23 04:43:44 so again basically its.. Bypass activation.. preware.. Impostah.. Activation… create new palm profile… then click palm profiles.. reset palm profile.. reboot login :) Aug 23 04:43:59 done: Aug 23 04:44:38 so with ur knowledgebase u should write up a step by step of what I just posted :P Aug 23 04:50:58 tmzt: ah ok :) Aug 23 04:57:38 sigh, out of disk space in my widk vm again ~_~ Aug 23 05:01:08 hey guys Aug 23 05:01:17 does anyone know where the git repo is for ubuntu chroot? Aug 23 05:03:12 http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/testing/ubuntu-natty-chroot/ Aug 23 05:04:41 dwc-, now i just have to learn how to use git to get that Aug 23 05:05:26 * rrix builds optware toolchain Aug 23 05:05:36 So many build toolchains >.< Aug 23 05:06:55 meh, i'll just clone the entire build thingie Aug 23 05:08:20 PuffTheMagic: I am tempted to sort of skip the crossdev stuff and try to scrounge enough room to use your stage3 to bootstrap metro. Aug 23 05:09:37 should be plenty of room. Aug 23 05:09:43 the crossdev stuff shouldnt be needed for a normal chroot env Aug 23 05:09:59 yeah, and once I chroot, I can use metro to build up a new stage3 inside the gentoo stage3. Aug 23 05:10:10 dual 1.5GHz shouldn't be too bad. Aug 23 05:10:16 :D Aug 23 05:14:59 * Jack87 high fives djhomeboy and Lisurgec Aug 23 05:15:02 oh god Aug 23 05:15:15 i'm going to need serious help if i want to do this using the make file Aug 23 05:15:54 anyone understand this really well? http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/testing/ubuntu-natty-chroot/Makefile Aug 23 05:16:48 * Lisurgec high fives back Aug 23 05:16:49 rwhitby, idk if you're still there Aug 23 05:16:56 * rrix gives up on trying to set up optware in the same vm as his widk Aug 23 05:17:06 I'm looking at your makefile, and i'm sort of unclear where you get the base ubuntu system Aug 23 05:17:11 how 8gb isn't enoough for two chains, idk, lol... Aug 23 05:17:21 nuttybunny is on his own for messaging-plugins :( Aug 23 05:17:48 it looks like there needs to be a build directory, and i was just wondering if you had an example of this build directory, or what script creates it Aug 23 05:18:28 ah, you're not on, great Aug 23 05:18:40 is dtzWill on? Aug 23 05:19:00 not afaict Aug 23 05:19:51 yo Aug 23 05:19:54 yo Aug 23 05:19:57 yo Aug 23 05:19:59 haha Aug 23 05:20:03 times 2 homeboy Aug 23 05:20:05 ha Aug 23 05:20:17 does some poor sod want to help me with trying to make a chroot package? Aug 23 05:22:44 ka6sox: any pointers for sailerboy? Aug 23 05:23:20 cryptk scoutcamper|away and ka6sox have been playing with chroots Aug 23 05:24:10 Jack87, i got arch working Aug 23 05:24:23 but if i want it in preware, i need to create my own chroot image Aug 23 05:24:48 sailerboy: that's awesome :) Aug 23 05:25:28 I really want to see this though Aug 23 05:25:32 I think it'd be great Aug 23 05:27:16 Jack87, i'm used to the famous archwiki walking me through all these steps Aug 23 05:27:18 lol Aug 23 05:27:32 I have only played with arch once long ago. would love to play more Aug 23 05:27:48 hehe sailerboy you will be writing these steps in a wiki Aug 23 05:28:10 Jack87, well, hopefully, i'll get the steps down to "click install from preware" Aug 23 05:28:13 and that'll be all I have to do Aug 23 05:28:43 sailerboy: its true.. make a nice package maybe one that runs a script and does eveything Aug 23 05:29:02 Jack87, i have a package Aug 23 05:29:05 but right now, it's 120 mb Aug 23 05:29:10 it's too big Aug 23 05:29:23 * Jack87 is glad to see sailerboy diving into webos development Aug 23 05:29:39 heh, it's not really development for webos Aug 23 05:29:48 all the hard work is done for me Aug 23 05:29:55 all i have to do is some fancy sed'ing Aug 23 05:29:56 haha its porting :) Aug 23 05:30:05 but on webos in awesome card Aug 23 05:30:11 BUT GAHHHHHH Aug 23 05:30:21 WHY CAN'T DEVELOPERS WRITE WHAT THEY FUCKING DID Aug 23 05:30:24 * sailerboy SEETHS Aug 23 05:30:25 why reinvent the wheel right? Aug 23 05:30:43 Jack87, because i fucking can Aug 23 05:30:45 no other reason Aug 23 05:30:46 ;) Aug 23 05:31:01 lol this community encurages wiki ing usually Aug 23 05:31:15 write what they did for what? Aug 23 05:31:56 homebrew ftw in webos land Aug 23 05:33:20 you guys do know hp donated a server to us to host webos-internals on right? Aug 23 05:33:25 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Activating_Touchpad_Demo_Unit Aug 23 05:33:46 Lisurgec: awesomeness Aug 23 05:34:12 Lisurgec: thanks for taking the time to do that Aug 23 05:34:32 I remember that Jack Aug 23 05:34:40 ziplock503-pre, it's not this community Aug 23 05:34:48 it's the ALARM community Aug 23 05:35:03 what's alarm? Aug 23 05:35:09 Arch Linux ARM Aug 23 05:35:23 ahh Aug 23 05:35:27 supsup Aug 23 05:35:32 although it'd be nice to see exactly how rwhitby built ubuntu-chroot Aug 23 05:35:58 Lisurgec: I'm not sure how the licensing for that tool works and if we can post an unofficial link to it Aug 23 05:36:00 I've only seen the Wiki for it Aug 23 05:36:11 assuming you are talking about touchpad...they have an arch port? Aug 23 05:36:31 neither was i lol Aug 23 05:36:39 which tool are you talking about Aug 23 05:36:47 OS doctor? Aug 23 05:36:52 devicetool.jar Aug 23 05:36:54 no Aug 23 05:37:05 that's a link from palm so its all good Aug 23 05:37:13 AHCompy, i'm trying to port it Aug 23 05:37:15 right now Aug 23 05:37:20 but the device tool is also on palm's site Aug 23 05:37:34 sailerboy, you are awesome. lol Aug 23 05:37:48 i'm seething due to lack of documentation on ALARM's part Aug 23 05:37:49 sorry I am on wirc not a pc or I would help you write the wiki Aug 23 05:37:54 and lack of experiance on my part Aug 23 05:37:58 sailerboy, try to get rid of that annoying black bar Aug 23 05:38:06 what annoying black bar? Aug 23 05:38:40 in xserver that is under the V-kbd Aug 23 05:39:09 shit the guy at radio shack wouldn't sell me the demo unit lol Aug 23 05:39:18 That's just an artifact of how cards have to be designed Aug 23 05:39:19 lol that blows Aug 23 05:39:40 Lisurgec: I would also say to use preware to install impostah http://en.m.webos-internals.org/wiki?search=preware Aug 23 05:39:41 If it bothers anyone, they can take it down. Aug 23 05:39:43 AHCompy: You have to have 1024x768 cards, but xserver is compiled to automatically show the vkb. Aug 23 05:40:09 is there a way to make it go away? Aug 23 05:40:16 preware we can support. webos quick install is another guy Aug 23 05:40:19 let me rephraise Aug 23 05:40:21 * rrix doesn't know offhand Aug 23 05:40:37 is there an EASY way to make it go away lol Aug 23 05:40:59 jason is cool with webos-internals Aug 23 05:41:06 rephrase* where'd that 'i' come from Aug 23 05:41:39 changed to preware. Aug 23 05:42:14 * AHCompy looks into the annoying black placeholder in xserver Aug 23 05:45:21 afaict it's compiled in Aug 23 05:45:22 AHCompy: Aug 23 05:45:24 ? Aug 23 05:45:32 ? Aug 23 05:45:45 what placeholder Aug 23 05:46:05 Jack87|Away, yey, https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/scripts/distro-builder Aug 23 05:46:11 damnit, you're away Aug 23 05:46:26 anyway, head dev of ALARM is really nice Aug 23 05:46:29 the one that is usually under the virtual keyboard in xserver Aug 23 05:46:37 he just got a touchpad too, and he'll probably come on and develop a proper port Aug 23 05:46:43 not a hack, which is what i'm doing Aug 23 05:47:42 gald to see webos get some more dev muscle tinkering under the hood Aug 23 05:47:56 lmao hack port whats the difference really. lol Aug 23 05:48:21 if they work, call it what you want Aug 23 05:48:33 dont bother me lol Aug 23 05:49:02 lol right?? Aug 23 05:50:52 well, I really need to talk to rwhitby, because as soon as i find out wtf is going on in the makefile Aug 23 05:51:04 then I can just hack together the two build scripts Aug 23 05:51:05 and away we go Aug 23 05:55:44 sailor whitby is in AUS so he might be getting up soon Aug 23 05:56:07 well thats where he lives ... he could be anywhere Aug 23 05:57:02 um, it's 3:30pm here ;) Aug 23 05:57:41 sailerboy: ubuntu-chroot is built by this Makefile: Aug 23 05:57:56 ziplock503, it's 3 pm in AUS Aug 23 05:58:01 oh Aug 23 05:58:02 wow Aug 23 05:58:09 * sailerboy headdesks Aug 23 05:59:06 lol Aug 23 05:59:18 he could sleep in Aug 23 05:59:24 sailerboy: http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/testing/ubuntu-natty-chroot/Makefile Aug 23 05:59:33 everything is in there. Aug 23 05:59:52 rwhitby, i saw that, but unless i'm missing something, where does the build directory come from? Aug 23 06:00:05 unless download.mk is hardcoded Aug 23 06:00:08 which I haven't checked Aug 23 06:01:51 rwhitby: How do I submit patches to xecutah? git format-patch and mail it to you or..? Aug 23 06:02:06 rwhitby, I just checked, and I don't see any way you are downloading ubuntu Aug 23 06:02:17 but i am somewhat of a noob Aug 23 06:04:27 rwhitby, if it's too much of a deal for you to help me, that's fine, I'll let the ALARM developer do it (he just got a touchpad) Aug 23 06:04:48 and I am somewhat noobish, I understand Aug 23 06:05:16 ( cd build ; rootstock --no-root --fqdn ${NAME} --dist natty ) Aug 23 06:06:09 dwc-, what the hell is rootstock Aug 23 06:06:22 ubuntu utility for creating a rootfs Aug 23 06:06:37 oh Aug 23 06:06:43 of course, ubuntu would have a utility Aug 23 06:06:51 :| Aug 23 06:08:18 sailerboy: I'm excited for your pitr Aug 23 06:08:23 port* Aug 23 06:11:43 rrix: git-format patch is perfect Aug 23 06:12:01 okiedoke Aug 23 06:12:08 rrix: what's the patch? Aug 23 06:12:16 rwhitby: What email? just steal it from soem copyright header? :P Aug 23 06:12:37 rwhitby: I made xterm have Tweaks support for BG and FG terminal colors Aug 23 06:12:53 It probably needs review, not sure if I did the makefile bits properly Aug 23 06:13:19 rrix, what'd you do again? Aug 23 06:13:45 I made it so that you can configure background and text color of the Xterm using Tweaks Aug 23 06:14:53 rwhitby: does installing a tweaks json in the build target of the makefile make sense or should that be in postinst? Aug 23 06:15:02 sailerboy: teams is another homebrew app that allows controlling some patched on the fly Aug 23 06:15:15 tweaks* Aug 23 06:15:18 tweaks* Aug 23 06:15:31 damn auto correct Aug 23 06:15:41 rwhitby, i'm assuming that this is built on an ubuntu system? Aug 23 06:15:51 * Jack87 is on wirc w/ TP Aug 23 06:15:52 so thus, the makefile must also be ubuntu? Aug 23 06:16:25 rwhitby: sorry for not just having this ready to go, and bothering you with the details, but does http://fpaste.org/MzR4/ make sense? Aug 23 06:16:25 sailerboy: yes and yes Aug 23 06:16:52 rrix: ah, this is for xterm colours? Aug 23 06:16:57 rwhitby, so if you want to make with pacman, I must include building pacman in the makefile? Aug 23 06:17:01 rwhitby: correct Aug 23 06:17:28 sailerboy: if it's a standard utility in ubuntu 10.4 we can install it on the autobuilder Aug 23 06:17:32 For now at least. It could be extended easily, I suppose Aug 23 06:17:43 rwhitby, i seriously doubt it Aug 23 06:17:47 pacman is arch's version of apt-get Aug 23 06:18:11 rrix: yeah, let's discuss wider implications with dtzWill too Aug 23 06:18:20 rrix: but I like the direction you're heading Aug 23 06:18:22 Righto Aug 23 06:18:46 I guess implying this was ready for commit was silly. I'm used to using reviewboard and stuff :) Aug 23 06:19:06 I had to do some terminalmagick to make luna-send's output reasonable Aug 23 06:19:23 I'll toss you and dtzWill my patches Aug 23 06:20:15 argh Aug 23 06:20:23 rwhitby, you could install pacman using alien, but it's somewhat hacky Aug 23 06:20:24 rrix: we release off tags, so we use working commits for review Aug 23 06:20:39 oh, ok Aug 23 06:20:40 HP shop didnt store orders, just cancels out your order if u couldnt finish it yesterday Aug 23 06:20:59 * rrix wasn't sure if it was "work in branch, release in master" Aug 23 06:33:42 Jack87, arch linux isn't going to happen from me Aug 23 06:33:46 not the way that rwhitby wants it Aug 23 06:34:00 crimsonredmk, will do it probably within the next week or two Aug 23 06:36:34 sailerboy: you can skip the build in the makefile and just wget a rootfs tarball in the postinst script Aug 23 06:37:10 as long as it's a tarball from an official archlinux site which has source available for it, no problem. Aug 23 06:37:10 rwhitby, I don't have any where to host it and the current root tarbell is fucking big Aug 23 06:37:29 I can get the tarbel down to size, but idfk where the hell I can host it Aug 23 06:37:30 sailerboy: since the end-user downloads it, does it matter how big it is? Aug 23 06:37:47 rwhitby, it sort of does :| Aug 23 06:38:42 rwhitby, basically, right now, i have this script https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/scripts/distro-builder Aug 23 06:38:57 it requires pacman, and I don't have the know how to make it not require pacman Aug 23 06:40:11 it'd be much easier on you, and on the end user to not use pacman, because then that way you aren't responsible if the ALARM server is down Aug 23 06:41:04 as long as the ipkg log tells the user it can't connect, we just ignore any users who don't read the error message, so no biggie. Aug 23 06:41:17 the package will have your name and email as the maintainer anyway Aug 23 06:41:22 :| Aug 23 06:41:26 lol Aug 23 06:41:30 I still want to do this proper Aug 23 06:42:53 I would suggest chatting with crimsonredmk and working out how to have archlinux host an image which is appropriate for this us. then write a postinst which wgets and installs that image. then we'll put that in a package in Preware. Aug 23 06:43:06 s/us./use./ Aug 23 06:43:06 rwhitby meant: I would suggest chatting with crimsonredmk and working out how to have archlinux host an image which is appropriate for this use. then write a postinst which wgets and installs that image. then we'll put that in a package in Preware. Aug 23 07:01:37 hey... my new touchpad, dr battery claims it's only got 95% battery health left Aug 23 07:09:21 Hmm… 16gb for $130. http://www.erwincomputers.com/fb454utaba.html Aug 23 07:09:37 mehmeh Aug 23 07:10:40 $40 premium, whatever, it's a $400 tablet. More concerned about buying from some random seller Aug 23 07:15:57 Meh, I'll wait for a more reliable source Aug 23 07:16:51 slickdeals doesn't appear to be convinced it's legit Aug 23 07:18:25 Domain Name: ERWINCOMPUTERS.COM Aug 23 07:18:25 Created on: 14-Dec-98 Aug 23 07:18:25 Expires on: 31-Mar-14 Aug 23 07:18:35 hosted as a yahoo store Aug 23 07:18:53 seems reasonably legitimate Aug 23 07:18:56 imo Aug 23 07:21:18 whats his rating on yahoo stores? Aug 23 07:21:28 dunno, didn't read it Aug 23 07:21:29 I'm not concerned about it not being a scam, more that it's just not worth the hassle. Already had B&N cancel on me, Amazon (onSale) likely, and I doubt that this random little website has access to the thousands of orders it has already received. Aug 23 07:23:42 I live in SF, so worst case is I just drive down to Palm HQ and wait in line when they get more in a few days. :\ Aug 23 07:24:05 better get there wednesday night... Aug 23 07:25:13 after friday, they apparently decided to have limits Aug 23 07:25:26 someone behind me in line told me one of the people in their group bought 30 Aug 23 07:25:41 30! Aug 23 07:25:44 um.... Aug 23 07:25:47 this morning, they were passing out one voucher per trip through the line Aug 23 07:25:51 thats sane. Aug 23 07:26:00 maybe they have a real passion for their work? Aug 23 07:26:00 s/sane/insane/ Aug 23 07:26:00 ka6sox meant: thats insane. Aug 23 07:26:10 wow Aug 23 07:26:19 I got there at about 8:40a Aug 23 07:26:25 there were ~30 people there already Aug 23 07:27:47 now that my mother has apparently decided she wants one, I might drop by tomorrow morning, since it's only 2 mi away ... even though I'm pretty sure they won't have any Aug 23 07:29:40 dgathright: if you're lucky, the online store will get them and you can get it for cheaper, and without a 40 mi trip Aug 23 07:31:41 well I work in Sunnyvale, so won't be too bad. while I typically take a shuttle, I usually drive once or twice a week. Aug 23 07:32:33 Y!? Aug 23 07:33:01 Yup Aug 23 07:33:33 I would... take the shuttle pretty much every day Aug 23 07:33:38 * dwc- is not a fan of commuting by car Aug 23 07:34:28 not that long in traffic anyways Aug 23 07:36:52 Well, I just bought a new car a few months ago (prior to moving to SF), so I need to justify owning it somehow, haha. Aug 23 07:38:27 and you don't want to miss out on that SF experience -- trying to find parking Aug 23 08:31:55 hp shop in germany dead again :/ Aug 23 08:32:15 great **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 23 09:06:07 2011 Aug 23 09:07:35 masterhit: this time a DNS failure... nice :) Aug 23 09:15:24 speaks for HP as a service company :D Aug 23 09:18:49 masterhit: that's just because they're not using "the cloud" for their shop yet... "the cloud" would somehow magically solve all this troubles and that's why they're going for "the cloud" now, too... it will solve all HP's troubles by driving HP into the area of insignificance within months ;-) Aug 23 09:19:16 * geist has transitioned to "the cloud" Aug 23 09:19:19 and i can say it's great Aug 23 09:35:37 geist, sorry to hear that. Aug 23 09:41:58 lol Aug 23 10:31:45 Hi. Is there an SSH 'app' for WebOS at the moment? Just got one of those lovely shiny (cheap!) touchpads, i'm looking to get a connectbot-style ssh client. Aug 23 10:31:54 rwhitby: Should I try to are some Pre3 for webosinternals ? Aug 23 10:32:14 I see there are a couple in Preware, but it seems that these are terminal-based? Aug 23 10:43:13 Grey_Loki, there was mention of a useless "mobile putty" app Aug 23 10:44:13 anyone know where buy a pre 3 .... in europe ?????? Aug 23 10:44:22 or a pre 2 ... Aug 23 10:44:39 Darkmagister, eurostore.palm.com Aug 23 10:45:24 yes but i'm searcing ... some store with lower price ... like in us ... Aug 23 10:49:24 nowhere has dropped price yet Aug 23 11:12:35 Darkmagister: http://forums.precentral.net/hp-pre-3/292947-pre-3-stock-3.html Last page Aug 23 11:19:22 i see a number to call ... but none answer Aug 23 11:25:31 er... i hope those of us who were early adopters get free accessories too Aug 23 12:49:29 . Aug 23 13:21:30 I submitted an update to a patch on Saturday, but still in the queue - anyone available to review and push thru? Aug 23 13:23:50 Browser: Add to Paper Mache Aug 23 13:56:21 I submitted an update to a patch on Saturday, but still in the queue - anyone from the internals team available to review and push thru? Aug 23 14:10:27 hi Aug 23 14:42:03 So I was telling my buddy yesterday that normally, when an electronic device gets taken out due to competition...I normally don't care...but for some reason I do when it comes to WebOS...it's truly a kick assed system... Aug 23 14:42:15 but WHY the hell are they porting android onto an already kick ass tablet? Aug 23 14:42:46 RavenII, because some people don't see webos as the goal in itself Aug 23 14:42:54 That sucks. Aug 23 14:42:58 they just see the slab of glass and plastic as the tablet experience Aug 23 14:45:28 It blows that the people doing it don't see that they're actually hurting the development and progression of a great OS... Aug 23 14:46:10 Dude, I was comparing my TP to the iPad 2 that my girl's school gave her....MAN that thing sucks...iOS just sucks...it's flat, boring...no life.... Aug 23 14:46:48 and I own a ipod touch...and 4 Macs.... Aug 23 14:46:53 an ipod* Aug 23 15:15:43 hello everyone Aug 23 15:21:21 folks: does the Sprint Pre2 process require a particular version of the Pre 2? Aug 23 15:21:46 I wouldn't imagine it would since the comm board should be the only important part but I'm not seeing specifics one way or another on the wiki Aug 23 15:36:15 eberon_: nope...GSM or CDMA, didn't matter Aug 23 15:36:21 %99 sure... Aug 23 15:36:35 Is there a way to remove themes with the latest version of webOS quick install? Aug 23 15:36:40 yeah it looks like that's the case now that I'm looking at what webosworld's project request form looks like Aug 23 16:19:32 just out of curiousity Aug 23 16:20:00 has anyone looked into the logistics of creating a freetether of gps Aug 23 16:20:36 I was thinking about making one but I wanted to see if anyone knew of an ongoing project first Aug 23 16:33:53 hi, is there a way to install preware on my hp touchpad with fedora 14? Aug 23 16:34:14 did you try webos quickinstall? Aug 23 16:35:06 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_with_WebOS_Quick_Install Aug 23 16:38:39 i'm guessing though as to the lack of responses nobody has heard of a gps tethering project Aug 23 16:41:12 asdf_: i haven't seen anything about one Aug 23 16:41:25 asdf_, i have seen one in android, but not in webos Aug 23 16:46:49 hmm i'll try and see what I can do then Aug 23 16:47:32 asdf_: im sure its possible Aug 23 16:47:34 yeah, i just want to have something ready Aug 23 16:47:34 for when ndrive HD actually shows up Aug 23 16:47:38 ndrive for 2.2.0 would be nice Aug 23 16:47:41 they have Ndrive for the 2.1 Aug 23 16:47:41 so i assume it would work on 2.2 as well Aug 23 16:47:41 Its just not 50% off like it says on precentral Aug 23 16:47:45 which is unfortunate **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 23 16:51:08 2011 Aug 23 16:51:10 impostah? Aug 23 16:51:17 could try that i guess Aug 23 16:52:26 i wonder if I could use impostah Aug 23 16:52:38 to get sprint navigation working on my sprint franken pre 2 Aug 23 16:53:36 impostah wont help there Aug 23 16:53:47 the problem is that 2.x was never released for sprint devices Aug 23 16:53:51 asdf_: yes i tried quickinstall, after asking me wheter i want the novacom driver to be installed the same message pops up when i press yes Aug 23 16:53:55 so there is no 2.x compatible service for sprint nav Aug 23 16:54:09 (teh switch from java service to node services) Aug 23 16:54:28 oh i thought it was a file version thing Aug 23 16:54:38 man now i really want ndrive to be half off Aug 23 16:54:38 I got my sprint nav to work on my pre2 sprint Aug 23 16:54:46 you did? Aug 23 16:54:56 Yeah Aug 23 16:55:02 details? Aug 23 16:55:19 isnt there a homebrew nav solution? Aug 23 16:55:20 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-pre-plus/276961-anyone-get-sprint-nav-working-2-1-0-a.html Aug 23 16:55:43 Its slightly shady since it involves the leaked 2.0.1 build Aug 23 16:55:52 but it works as intended Aug 23 16:55:59 yeah Aug 23 16:56:04 excellent Aug 23 16:56:29 If you don't force depend then it says its incompatible Aug 23 16:56:38 but if you do, it works. Pretty strange but oh well Aug 23 16:56:44 there is that other free navigation app but it requires you to download maps from a computer Aug 23 16:56:46 and then upload Aug 23 16:57:10 to answer oilsworkn about the homebrew solution Aug 23 16:57:21 yeah Aug 23 16:57:25 it doesnt need connection to work Aug 23 16:57:32 which is a plus Aug 23 16:57:43 if your drive takes you out of data coverage Aug 23 16:57:57 right Aug 23 16:58:02 which is the draw of ndrive Aug 23 16:58:08 but you download the maps one time Aug 23 16:58:10 and thats it Aug 23 16:58:27 Yeah, ndrive has its advantages Aug 23 16:58:36 Id definitely prefer a one download solution Aug 23 16:58:43 especially when I hit 1x or no data areas Aug 23 16:58:46 i have CoPilot Live on my android market account, i bought it so i wouldn't need to rely on data Aug 23 16:59:18 hello.... can someone provide me the like for the ubuntu desktop edition Aug 23 16:59:46 i am looking to do this step Aug 23 16:59:47 Download Ubuntu 11.04, look for the Ubuntu Desktop Edition, not the Windows Installer Aug 23 17:00:17 but i want ndrive to be 50% off like precentral says Aug 23 17:00:23 so i can use my HP promocode Aug 23 17:00:24 lmgtfy.com Aug 23 17:00:55 jackjohn, http://tinyurl.com/3ll4qtr Aug 23 17:01:48 so is it just the first link, download ubuntu? Aug 23 17:03:01 http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download Aug 23 17:03:17 Sure Aug 23 17:03:23 or is there some where in there to get to the desktop edition Aug 23 17:03:34 That is the desktop Aug 23 17:03:43 i have that downloaded already and when i try to run the wubi.exe it does not do anythiing Aug 23 17:04:25 wubi is the windows installer Aug 23 17:04:34 You probably want the .iso Aug 23 17:04:43 i have the iso Aug 23 17:04:48 i mounted the iso Aug 23 17:05:03 Then what is the problem? Aug 23 17:05:10 jackjohn: what are you trying to do? Aug 23 17:05:12 # Burn that file to a cd or mount to virtual drive Aug 23 17:05:12 # Run cd in windows (the wubi.exe file inside the disk, it also comes up in auto run) - Aug 23 17:05:26 im tryint to get meta doctor setup Aug 23 17:05:53 so i get install webos 2 on my pre- Aug 23 17:07:16 You can use a virtual machine, a live usb/cd, or WUBI for that. No need for the .iso Aug 23 17:08:06 ok so i downloaded ubuntu iso, mounted the iso, and run wubi Aug 23 17:08:21 yeah that should do it Aug 23 17:08:30 i get the windows security thing that asks do i want to run wubi, i say yes Aug 23 17:08:34 then nothing else happens Aug 23 17:08:39 or install ubuntu in a Virtual Machine Aug 23 17:08:51 try running at Admin Aug 23 17:09:53 same thing running as admin Aug 23 17:10:25 i wanted to try running inside windows before i fired up a VM Aug 23 17:10:46 if you press ctrl+shift+esc do you see multiple wubi.exe running? Aug 23 17:11:14 no i dont have any instaces running in task manager Aug 23 17:11:42 when i run it i shows up for a second then dies Aug 23 17:12:04 restart windows? Aug 23 17:12:25 or go the Virtual machine route Aug 23 17:12:28 did that Aug 23 17:12:34 live cd is a better option than virtual machine Aug 23 17:12:44 what's the app id for facebook? Aug 23 17:12:59 Don't boot your machine with the CD (called as using the LiveCD, as this option won't give you enough space for the MetaDoctor process to complete. Aug 23 17:14:36 yes it out and see how it goes Aug 23 17:14:47 directhex, com.palm.app.facebook I think Aug 23 17:15:12 how do you use live cd? Aug 23 17:15:38 burn cd and boot to it Aug 23 17:16:26 com.palm.app.facebook Aug 23 17:22:41 damn, can't get it on via impostah Aug 23 17:24:33 Has to be 2.x device Aug 23 17:26:19 still can't see why they did that.. Aug 23 17:26:39 Abyssul, what's the phone number again? I still have not gotten an email Aug 23 17:43:53 what's a good website for touchpad internals? I don't see much about the touchpad on the webos-internals wiki. Aug 23 17:44:18 gonna have that preware archlinuxarm package ready tonight Aug 23 17:44:24 EdLin: hardware or software wise? Aug 23 17:44:54 NuttyBunny software Aug 23 17:45:09 EdLin: webOS is practically the same across the phones and the TP, whatever you do on the phones you can do on the TP Aug 23 17:45:29 thanks, I thought for some reason that it was based on Enyo or something. Aug 23 17:46:01 EdLin, Ah, yes, enyo is the framework used for the applications, but under that, it's javascript over webkit over linux Aug 23 17:46:13 ok Aug 23 17:46:25 for Enyo you can go to the HP Developer page, there's quite a lot of info there :D Aug 23 17:46:32 thanks. Aug 23 17:46:37 yw Aug 23 17:46:50 what's the hp developer page? developer.hp.com? Aug 23 17:47:08 https://developer.palm.com/ Aug 23 17:47:11 thought they still use the palm.com name Aug 23 17:47:12 ah. Aug 23 17:47:15 :) Aug 23 17:47:27 glad to see palm.com still exists. ;) Aug 23 17:47:44 I'm gonna get a palm sticker and put it behind my TP ;) Aug 23 17:47:59 I had a Centro before my Pre, and a TX. Also have a Treo sitting in a drawer. :) Aug 23 17:48:35 no longer using a Pre though, but it will be good to get back to WebOS with the touchpad. Aug 23 17:59:37 wow. so I'm trying to download webos doctor for my new touchpad, and says on the palmws site "Error: Sorry, that is not a valid serial number. " it shows a serial number that looks real though Aug 23 17:59:53 this isn't a demo unit or anything Aug 23 18:00:40 make DEVICE=touchpad CARRIER=wifi unpack pack <-- on the TouchPad. It wasn't that hard :D Aug 23 18:54:59 ok Aug 23 18:55:06 got the chroot working! :D Aug 23 18:55:26 sorry to be lame.. whats the benefit to chroot Aug 23 18:55:41 djhomeboy: full ubuntu distro on a tablet? Aug 23 18:55:47 nice Aug 23 18:55:51 yeah Aug 23 18:55:55 I like WebOS ;) Aug 23 18:56:15 now, I just have to figure out how to get it to display the desktop.. hmm.. Aug 23 18:56:15 webOS++ Aug 23 18:58:42 what desktop do yall use? kde? on the tp Aug 23 19:01:02 i was successful installing preware, can someone tell me wher i can find more feeds? (i'm seaching for a multi im like pidgin) Aug 23 19:01:06 PatrickC: lxde here Aug 23 19:01:26 PatrickC, E17 here Aug 23 19:01:34 we should source a /media/internal/xinitrc file or something Aug 23 19:01:56 hmm... Aug 23 19:02:03 so people can modify the startup scripts in a way that a)doesn't involve going into /media/cryptofs, and b)is persistent across upgrades Aug 23 19:02:05 now to figure out what to use :) Aug 23 19:02:13 PatrickC: try a few, and see what you like Aug 23 19:02:16 :) Aug 23 19:02:48 dtzWill: easy to uninstall I assume :) Aug 23 19:03:08 PatrickC: right Aug 23 19:03:18 worst case nuke the chroot and start over, but it shouldn't come to that Aug 23 19:03:31 dtzWill, we should mod the ubuntu chroot script to mount /media/internal Aug 23 19:03:49 yay. tier two support now, becaue they don't have any record of my serial number, and it's not a demo unit lol Aug 23 19:03:52 scoutcamper: bind mount it into the chroot? yeah that's a nice idea too. Aug 23 19:04:11 is there an expected place that's semi-universal/will show up on most GUI's/etc? Aug 23 19:04:22 maybe $HOME/internal Aug 23 19:04:25 * dtzWill shrugs Aug 23 19:05:08 dtzWill, bind it to /root/ Aug 23 19:05:26 scoutcamper: well i'm not sure if you wanna actually make it the home directory or not, tbh. Aug 23 19:05:50 like maybe you should put /media/internal/root into /root or similar. Aug 23 19:05:51 dtzWill, true, im using /root/usb/ Aug 23 19:06:07 i suppose i can't usefully quantify why i feel the need for not directly mapping to $HOME Aug 23 19:06:14 (btw since we're root i'm assuming $HOME==/root/) Aug 23 19:06:37 yes Aug 23 19:07:20 but IIRC we don't actually set some things up re:env variables, shrug. Aug 23 19:07:38 * PatrickC tried to install xfce.. no luck Aug 23 19:08:17 PatrickC, upstart has an issue that prevents it from autostart dbus wich causes issues with many WM's Aug 23 19:09:16 hmm.. ok Aug 23 19:10:52 xfce4 won't run? Aug 23 19:10:55 I didn't tried it Aug 23 19:10:57 xfce4 seems to be doing fine Aug 23 19:11:03 installing fine* Aug 23 19:11:14 KDE and Gnome dont work Aug 23 19:11:30 KDE wouldn't install, so.. Aug 23 19:12:05 question: anyone had any issues with the F15C ocverclock?? Aug 23 19:12:21 djhomeboy: I used it for a little while, with no issues Aug 23 19:12:24 I use UK now Aug 23 19:12:24 is it too much, should I use the Uberkernel? Aug 23 19:12:51 Seen the CPU at 32 celcius once Aug 23 19:12:55 should be ok right? Aug 23 19:12:55 OC is not really a big deal with the TP. Aug 23 19:13:05 djhomeboy, its the battery... Aug 23 19:13:18 no temp on CPU that we can find yet... Aug 23 19:13:30 ah ok Aug 23 19:13:38 but all i n all I should be ok?? Aug 23 19:13:49 djhomeboy: I had my pixi at 64°c once.. Aug 23 19:13:54 wow! Aug 23 19:14:03 Ok I think I will be fine :P Aug 23 19:14:08 hehe :) Aug 23 19:14:29 PatrickC <<< disengages the Safeties :P Aug 23 19:14:43 lol Aug 23 19:14:50 * PatrickC has no safety limit Aug 23 19:14:56 everything is game! :P Aug 23 19:15:12 I am so disappointed that WebOS is in Jeopardy.. its such an amazing platform Aug 23 19:15:38 I'd choose it over any OS right now Aug 23 19:15:45 I have several Android devices...they work OK... Aug 23 19:15:53 webos FTW Aug 23 19:16:02 honestly, if WP7 had better devices Aug 23 19:16:12 id be getting one of those Aug 23 19:16:17 I have Andoid, Blackberry and Iphone.. WebOS has been the best Aug 23 19:16:25 easy to play with and mod too Aug 23 19:16:30 yeah Aug 23 19:16:33 Hi everyone, i need help with ubuntu chroot Aug 23 19:16:48 ~asktoask Aug 23 19:16:49 This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. Aug 23 19:17:02 I've been wanting to say this for a while... patience grasshoper Aug 23 19:17:08 I want to launch kde netbook, but startx is not recognized Aug 23 19:17:09 haha Aug 23 19:17:31 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian_chroot Aug 23 19:17:33 grasshoper: that's b/c x is arlready running Aug 23 19:17:44 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Aug 23 19:17:46 what he said ^^ Aug 23 19:17:49 take ur pick Aug 23 19:17:52 well not recognized is b/c you don't have whatever package that's installed in Aug 23 19:18:00 I now my way on linux ka6sox , but it's a bit difficult to figure things out here Aug 23 19:18:06 but getting that won't help, for reasons i said Aug 23 19:18:09 Lol Aug 23 19:18:16 It seems that HP programmed my touchpad with an invalid serial number. it contains an O but these aren't allowed, only 0 Aug 23 19:18:31 grasshoper: if you get kde netbook going LMK Aug 23 19:18:42 can't download webos doctor :-( Aug 23 19:18:44 i was interested in the same, but never having used it on a different system gave up rather quickly Aug 23 19:18:56 mib_guxnz4, you should call them on that. Aug 23 19:18:57 I want to try though dtzWill Aug 23 19:19:00 mostly b/c googling 'kde netbook' got me to all kinds of things that weren't helpful, as if kde netbook diden't exist Aug 23 19:19:01 dtzWill, i like KDE-Plasma TBH Aug 23 19:19:13 actually, is that even a thing? or jsut a specialized configuration of 'stock' kde? Aug 23 19:19:24 ka6sox, I'm on with tier 2 phone support now. I hope they dont tell me it needs to be replaced! Aug 23 19:19:34 (perhaps a named configuraiton, or name given to a distributions pre-configuration in a manner that's friendly to netbooks, etc?) Aug 23 19:19:40 is the netbook remix plasma? Aug 23 19:19:42 scoutcamper: oh? have you used it on the TP? Aug 23 19:19:44 So, how can I configure x to start kde netbook ? Aug 23 19:19:49 dtzWill, nope Aug 23 19:20:02 if anyone has anything cool running, screenshot it up please ^.^ Aug 23 19:20:03 grasshoper, if X is already running Aug 23 19:20:06 kdm Aug 23 19:20:22 dtzWill: cool screenshots of what? :) Aug 23 19:20:29 Ok, I'll go with kdm, thx Aug 23 19:20:44 k desktop mangler should be the next thing you do. Aug 23 19:22:37 hmm.. the keyboard dissappeared from the xterm window.. Aug 23 19:22:41 screenshot coming Aug 23 19:23:30 PatrickC: apparently that happens? i haven't had it happen, but mostly i haven't done a lot of X stuff lately. really need to fix things up so you can resize X, rotate it, resize keyboard, etc Aug 23 19:23:50 dtzWill: howtofix? Aug 23 19:23:54 restart X? Aug 23 19:23:57 server* Aug 23 19:24:25 PatrickC: yeah, but having never seen that happen i can't tell you Aug 23 19:24:31 i do know that on startup we set keyboard to be on Aug 23 19:24:35 and we don't handle the DISMISS event Aug 23 19:24:35 need a screenshot? Aug 23 19:24:36 so Aug 23 19:24:40 i'm unsure how that can ever happen Aug 23 19:24:48 ok.. Aug 23 19:24:58 PatrickC: of the bug? no, i assume that's just X with the black area on the bototm, like when you have a bt installed Aug 23 19:25:10 i don't mean to refute the bug's existance, just that offhand i have absoltuely no idea how it happens :( Aug 23 19:25:32 hmm.. I closed the xserver window Aug 23 19:25:37 and opened it up again Aug 23 19:25:40 still broke Aug 23 19:25:47 PatrickC: do you have a bt keyboard paired with your tp? Aug 23 19:25:57 nope Aug 23 19:26:00 PatrickC, how did you break it? can you repeat how you broke it? Aug 23 19:26:02 bt is turned off Aug 23 19:26:15 ka6sox: didn't touch the screen for like 3 minutes Aug 23 19:26:24 and left it installing xfce4 Aug 23 19:26:27 that's it Aug 23 19:26:38 *that* was your problem... Aug 23 19:26:43 what? Aug 23 19:26:49 xfce Aug 23 19:27:14 probably tried to install its *own* keyboard. Aug 23 19:27:22 now how to fix? nuke the chroot and install again? Aug 23 19:27:38 thats the "easy" way, yes Aug 23 19:27:46 um...don't install xfce...I read reports that xfce didn't work. Aug 23 19:29:09 ok Aug 23 19:30:06 PatrickC, ive only seen 3 succesfull WM's, IceWM, E17, and lxde Aug 23 19:30:24 done the first 2...not the last one. Aug 23 19:30:28 scoutcamper: and you use E17? Aug 23 19:30:32 yep Aug 23 19:30:40 I don't use any Aug 23 19:30:54 well, i have all 3 installed, but like ka6sox i rarley use any of them Aug 23 19:30:54 WM inside of WM...foolish. Aug 23 19:31:13 I want a desktop environment Aug 23 19:31:15 working on alternative strategy. Aug 23 19:31:24 for stuff like LibreOffice, etc. Aug 23 19:31:27 PatrickC, buy a desktop Aug 23 19:31:29 ka6sox, were you trying to do a chroot? Aug 23 19:31:47 ka6sox: for when I'm on the go... Aug 23 19:31:49 sailerboy, "trying"? no...already have one. Aug 23 19:32:14 well, i mean, build another one Aug 23 19:32:18 other than ubuntu Aug 23 19:33:22 sailerboy, why would I? ubuntu works fine... Aug 23 19:33:31 sailerboy: I was gonna try a different one Aug 23 19:33:37 Bohi is the name iirc Aug 23 19:33:54 * scoutcamper <3 's ubuntu Aug 23 19:34:16 ka6sox, because you can? Aug 23 19:34:17 idk Aug 23 19:34:18 bodhi Aug 23 19:34:20 i'm trying to build arch Aug 23 19:34:49 sailerboy, I have practically NO time to do dev work...I don't like re-inventing the wheel. Aug 23 19:35:13 since I have NO interest in running a WM In a WM... Aug 23 19:35:29 I am working on a different strategy to use the existing WM. Aug 23 19:35:35 ka6sox, i love reinventing the wheel Aug 23 19:35:50 have fun! Aug 23 19:36:39 if i re-invented the wheel it would be a square Aug 23 19:36:46 ummm... dtzWill ping? Aug 23 19:36:59 xterm is still broke after I nuked ubuntu Aug 23 19:37:04 nuke xterm next? Aug 23 19:37:22 PatrickC, nuke all 3, xterm, server, and xecutah Aug 23 19:37:25 probably Aug 23 19:37:36 ok Aug 23 19:37:41 and then reboot inbetween uninstall and re-install Aug 23 19:37:49 * ka6sox has FS setup...no OSK. Aug 23 19:38:08 * scoutcamper uses a BT keyboard and doesnt care about OSK Aug 23 19:38:55 I have *no* vkb is any apps now Aug 23 19:39:13 yes, but X reserves space for OSK. Aug 23 19:39:29 ok Aug 23 19:39:34 removing them now Aug 23 19:39:53 PatrickC, the disclamer at the bottom of Git.webos-internals.org explains what to do Aug 23 19:40:14 what is the step after running ./scripts/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 Aug 23 19:40:34 jackjohn, what does the wiki say? Aug 23 19:40:37 scoutcamper: why would I go to git.webos-internals.org for something that's in preware? Aug 23 19:41:20 its also at the bottom of the main wiki page Aug 23 19:41:29 meta-doctor/build/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0/webosdoctorp101ueu-wr-2.1.0.jar Aug 23 19:41:33 o_O Aug 23 19:41:47 to be clear i was suggesting restarting X might fix X issue Aug 23 19:42:08 you should be able to install all you want into the chroot Aug 23 19:42:18 and otehr than the installed application(s) not working Aug 23 19:42:20 jackjohn, thats not a wiki page... Aug 23 19:42:23 that should not change the X server's keyboard Aug 23 19:42:58 thats what the wiki page says Aug 23 19:43:07 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade#MetaDoctor Aug 23 19:44:45 reboot fixed it Aug 23 19:44:49 after uninstalling Aug 23 19:45:31 jackjohn, I am confused as to where you are...have you already created the modded doctor? need to mod the doctor or what? Aug 23 19:46:03 lol. oh boy. going to level three tech support now. still no explaination for why they don't have a record of my serial Aug 23 19:46:15 i did http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Aug 23 19:46:43 i did step 1 Aug 23 19:46:57 im trying to get 2.1 on my pre- Aug 23 19:47:12 okay so now you are ready for step 2? Aug 23 19:48:55 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Aug 23 19:49:18 jackjohn, yup...you have told me that... Aug 23 19:49:20 sorry wget http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p1351r0d01082010/sr1ntp1351rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Aug 23 19:49:21 hmm.. IceWM and E17 aren't found.. Aug 23 19:49:25 i get a 404 Aug 23 19:49:49 ah...okay now we are getting somewhere. Aug 23 19:51:24 ok what am i doing wrong Aug 23 19:51:43 jackjohn, you are trying to get a 1.3.5.1 Doctor...not a 2.1.0 Doctor Aug 23 19:52:44 anyone who can help me with routers? Aug 23 19:52:52 ok so what should my cmd be Aug 23 19:52:58 just a buying question Aug 23 19:53:12 hey, where's the xecutah config again? Aug 23 19:54:15 the wikipage you came from (not the meta-doctor page) should tell you which one to get. Aug 23 19:54:58 wget wget http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p1351r0d01082010/sr1ntp1351rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Aug 23 19:54:58 ka6sox, do you know where the xecutah config on the device is? Aug 23 19:55:42 jackjohn, can you show me where you are getting that from? Aug 23 19:55:47 what should I look for in a router that will be used with 10 or more devices at any one time? Aug 23 19:56:04 sailerboy, what do you mean "config"? Aug 23 19:56:04 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions#Pre Aug 23 19:56:15 ka6sox, the configuration file? Aug 23 19:56:18 the whitelist Aug 23 19:56:34 sailerboy, embedded into the app... Aug 23 19:56:59 jackjohn, okay you need to find a 2.1.0 doctor...for a pre+ most likely...as the pre2 is different. Aug 23 19:57:16 ka6sox, so i need to reinstall it to get it? Aug 23 19:57:24 there's no way i can edit it once installed? Aug 23 19:58:06 its all in git. Aug 23 19:58:15 i have sprint pre- Aug 23 19:58:30 jackjohn, yes, but they never made a 2.1.0 that I can find for pre- Aug 23 19:58:51 what is the overall wikipage you are following to do this? Aug 23 19:59:04 you have shown me the little pieces. Aug 23 19:59:33 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade Aug 23 20:01:45 and you are following the Sprint Pre directions? Aug 23 20:04:30 okay you are aware that there are several serious caveats with doing this right? Aug 23 20:05:22 i have down it previosly and it worked fine but then they replaced my phone Aug 23 20:05:31 and i think i did the cygen method before Aug 23 20:06:44 I have no idea of what that method was/is Aug 23 20:07:03 sorry...I've only worked on a couple of Sprint pre2 mods... Aug 23 20:07:21 okay I need to head out...still trying to work today. Aug 23 20:09:03 hey rwhitby, I edited xecutah to include my chroot and installed that to my touchpad, but it froze Aug 23 20:09:06 i'm not quite sure why Aug 23 20:09:22 it froze after i pushed the "ok, i've read this" thing Aug 23 20:10:12 i modified the /app/assistants/main-assistant.js Aug 23 20:12:21 It seems mac mall sent me pre-release hardware. How the hell do they even have pre-release touchpads Aug 23 20:12:33 They don't have record of my serial at hp Aug 23 20:12:49 tier 3 tech support will be calling me at some point, to try and figure this oiut Aug 23 20:16:36 is there a safe way to shut down the touchpad's UI so I can grab all the memory on the thing for some dev work? Aug 23 20:17:09 you can kill luna Aug 23 20:17:44 and then use either ssh or novaterm to the device Aug 23 20:17:47 like temporarily shut down luna, and WebAppMgr Aug 23 20:18:16 ka6sox: when you kill luna, it comes back. Aug 23 20:18:19 yep, I should find that script I wrote a year ago. Aug 23 20:18:31 ya, you have to find the right upstart script. Aug 23 20:18:32 is upstart spawning it? Aug 23 20:18:35 yes Aug 23 20:18:36 ok Aug 23 20:18:39 just need a bit more RAM :) Aug 23 20:18:47 I hear ya... Aug 23 20:18:48 and don't want to brick my touchpad in the process. Aug 23 20:19:01 any info on wiki? Aug 23 20:19:03 swapping to SSD is bad. Aug 23 20:19:27 yeah, what is eating up all the RAM? Aug 23 20:19:30 I am guessing tmpfs Aug 23 20:19:32 drobbins, probabaly not. Aug 23 20:19:45 if I really need all the ram and a clean space to work... Aug 23 20:19:48 I guess I could add more swap via loopback Aug 23 20:19:51 I reboot then kill una Aug 23 20:20:23 does webos really need all that tmpfs. Aug 23 20:20:36 it looks like every installed app creates a bunch of tmpfs Aug 23 20:20:38 no. it doesn't. some people like to reduce it Aug 23 20:20:53 would be nice to consolidate the tmpfs to a single one. Aug 23 20:21:01 or use loopback. Aug 23 20:21:09 oOze, rebooted and it worked with only one issue Aug 23 20:21:26 ka6sox: any pointers on doing that? Aug 23 20:21:40 oOze, it is failing to mount the partitions of sdh Aug 23 20:22:25 which i don't even see in fdisk Aug 23 20:23:19 ka6sox: I am guessing that webos is using chroots for apps. Aug 23 20:23:26 jail Aug 23 20:23:29 jails Aug 23 20:23:35 ka6sox: so it creates a little mini-tmpfs filesystem for each app. Aug 23 20:23:39 yes Aug 23 20:23:59 and puts the libs that are allowed to run + the app in that. Aug 23 20:24:24 for isolation. Aug 23 20:24:28 drobbins, look @ /etc/event.d/LunaSysMgr Aug 23 20:24:40 for clues as to how it allocates memory and works. Aug 23 20:24:54 ok Aug 23 20:25:49 the best thing I would do is emulate a start_update Aug 23 20:26:00 since that shuts down luna and all its bits. Aug 23 20:26:36 but first...I would reboot to clear out any jails. Aug 23 20:26:42 ah Aug 23 20:26:48 they get set up when an app first starts. Aug 23 20:26:55 correct. Aug 23 20:27:08 and as each successive app gets launched. Aug 23 20:27:15 do the jails provide process isolation? Aug 23 20:27:19 or just filesystem isolation? Aug 23 20:27:29 very good. Aug 23 20:27:32 that's easy :) Aug 23 20:27:46 both really Aug 23 20:27:51 fb454ut#aba, is this the product code you guys have? 16GB owners, that is Aug 23 20:27:59 I am having some latency issues with ssh. Aug 23 20:28:00 jails are chroot envs with limited mappings. each app in a jail gets it's own low priv user id Aug 23 20:28:07 I wonder if TCP_NODELAY is turned off on ssh Aug 23 20:28:25 drobbins, make sure the TP is plugged in when you are using ssh Aug 23 20:28:34 yep, it's plugged in Aug 23 20:28:36 otherwise powerd will "sleep" the device. Aug 23 20:28:40 look in /var/palm/jail Aug 23 20:28:45 okay powerd isn't a factor. Aug 23 20:28:59 want to play with powerd to max the CPU when it's plugged in Aug 23 20:29:17 anyone have issues with delay typing in on ssh? Aug 23 20:29:27 yup... Aug 23 20:29:34 I do periodically Aug 23 20:30:15 most of the time I use Tide and xterm if I'm using the device directly.... Aug 23 20:30:21 or novaterm otherwise. Aug 23 20:30:28 apple keyboard doesn't work well with xterm. Aug 23 20:30:35 nope Aug 23 20:30:35 up arrow kills the keyboard in xterm. Aug 23 20:30:47 need keyboard mappings for it...for X Aug 23 20:30:51 drobbins: kills? makes the keyboard disappear? Aug 23 20:30:54 makes x crash? Aug 23 20:31:05 dtzWill: makes keyboard not work until you kill X and restart it. Aug 23 20:31:10 interesting. Aug 23 20:31:12 touchpad UI is fine. Aug 23 20:31:16 with keyboard. Aug 23 20:31:33 mappings sounds like :( Aug 23 20:31:39 so it kills X from reading from the keyboard would be a better way to describe it Aug 23 20:31:42 yep Aug 23 20:31:57 drobbins: can you file issue here: http://redmine.webos-internals.org/projects/xserver/issues/new ? Aug 23 20:32:02 I am looking for any iptables tweaks that turn off tcp_nodelay. Aug 23 20:32:09 dtzWill: yes, I will Aug 23 20:32:15 err, actually, is that something people can do? (drobbins, sorry for fake-out if not) Aug 23 20:32:23 lmk if that works, else i'l never keep track of all these >.< Aug 23 20:33:19 yup...thats what its there for. Aug 23 20:33:48 would be neat to do a packet capture on the ssh session to see if the TCP flags are getting set correctly Aug 23 20:33:57 it "feels" like it's TCP_NODELAY disabled. Aug 23 20:36:04 rwhitby: have you looked at the angry birds slingshot code? Aug 23 20:36:07 Do you know where it is? Aug 23 20:36:09 or anyone else here? Aug 23 20:36:40 hey all Aug 23 20:36:41 drobbins, tcpdump iirc is either on the device or is in optware. Aug 23 20:36:43 Tibfib: is there code available? Aug 23 20:36:55 drobbins: what do you mean? Aug 23 20:37:01 ka6sox, got it working Aug 23 20:37:19 Tibfib: for angry birds Aug 23 20:37:25 oh Aug 23 20:37:29 sorry, in the os itself Aug 23 20:37:37 PatrickC_chroot, good. Aug 23 20:37:41 for touch input then Aug 23 20:37:46 for press and drag stuff Aug 23 20:37:50 used fluxbox Aug 23 20:38:04 PatrickC_chroot, write it up in the wiki. Aug 23 20:38:08 drobbins: lemme try this again. Aug 23 20:38:21 Does anyone know where in the os the angry birds slingshot code is triggered? Aug 23 20:38:21 ka6sox, the chroot wiki? Aug 23 20:38:22 ok Aug 23 20:38:39 Tibfib: was not trying to be a pain, would just be surprised if there were source code for angry birds out there :) Aug 23 20:38:41 drobbins, tcpdump is native. Aug 23 20:38:55 drobbins: oh I know, my question was badly worded Aug 23 20:39:09 I just want to make a patch so the sound triggers at ANY orientation Aug 23 20:39:36 ka6sox: cool Aug 23 20:41:53 hrm Aug 23 20:41:57 tcp_ecn is enabled. Aug 23 20:42:27 turned it off, will see if that solves it Aug 23 20:42:36 when i run meta-doctor/build/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0/webosdoctorp101ueu-wr-2.1.0.jar - i get permission denied Aug 23 20:42:45 seems a lot better. Aug 23 20:42:51 drobbins, good. Aug 23 20:42:53 may be coincidence. Aug 23 20:43:18 jackjohn, use "java -jar meta-doctor/build/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0/webosdoctorp101ueu-wr-2.1.0.jar" Aug 23 20:43:18 others may want to try "echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn" and see if it helps. Aug 23 20:44:53 drobbins, seems faster to me. Aug 23 20:45:02 so I'm not imagining it then Aug 23 20:45:06 and a bit less laggy. Aug 23 20:46:16 i get unable to access jar file when i do that Aug 23 20:47:25 seems a lot better Aug 23 20:47:55 i changed permissions on the jar file to run as exeuctible and that worked Aug 23 20:48:45 now ECN is supposed to help latency Aug 23 20:49:48 how do i put the phone into that mode to rebuild? Aug 23 20:49:48 go figure Aug 23 20:49:54 the ssh latency issue comes and goes for me Aug 23 20:49:54 yeah Aug 23 20:50:05 linuxjacques: try turning off ecn and see if it helps or not Aug 23 20:50:06 but it seriously impacts my use Aug 23 20:50:27 linuxjacques: change was pretty significant for me, and immediate Aug 23 20:50:28 drobbins: I will, unfortunately I am not near my tp right now Aug 23 20:50:39 it seems "fixed" now Aug 23 20:50:59 if that fixes it, that would be excelent Aug 23 20:51:10 I see that webos quick installl has a patch "unset cfq io scheduler." it explains that it forces the io scheduler to cfq. What is the touchpads kernel set to by default? and does anyone have anything positive to report about trying this one? Aug 23 20:51:13 excellent Aug 23 20:51:27 webchat is behaving strangely, not scrolling on new messages Aug 23 20:51:31 on some channels only Aug 23 20:52:34 ok i got in recovery mode Aug 23 20:53:05 i got my vm linux machine asking to connect device Aug 23 20:53:31 drobbins: stop LunaSysMgr Aug 23 20:54:03 how do i get the vm to grab the palm via usb Aug 23 20:54:38 i see the usb option within the linux machine, there are a couple palm options, but neither seem to grab it Aug 23 20:57:43 I just had some delay Aug 23 20:57:52 seems to be when I use arrows. Aug 23 20:58:08 but that was the first delay in like 10 mins Aug 23 20:58:13 arrows aren't officially supported. Aug 23 20:58:36 at least I haven't had much luck... Aug 23 21:00:39 ka6sox, drobbins: arrow keys are not support at the moment. fix is easy, but since I haven't had a dev session with my bt keyboard paired I just haven't added those. being non-printable characters, they require special handling. Aug 23 21:00:40 I can try turning off compression in sshd and see if that helps more. Aug 23 21:00:57 are we talking about ssh-ing /to/ the device? b/c fixing that latency would be amazing. Aug 23 21:00:59 dtzWill: yep - was talking about delay over ssh using arrow keys Aug 23 21:01:11 ..oh. not using X? I'm talking about things via X. Aug 23 21:01:33 the arrow key issue I had with the keyboard and xterm was the apple arrow keys killing X input. Aug 23 21:01:42 but I am looking at ssh delays during line editing now. Aug 23 21:02:14 sshd does appear to enable compression by default. That could introduce some delay for small packets. Aug 23 21:02:18 will try turning that off. Aug 23 21:02:24 check the niceness on your sshd too Aug 23 21:02:36 by default, it's niced, iirc, so as not to interfere with the UI as muc Aug 23 21:02:37 h Aug 23 21:02:38 I thought we had pulled that out in a previous version. Aug 23 21:02:41 it does? wow I shoulda looked at that Aug 23 21:02:54 dwc-: ah, that combined with compression, which requires CPU, could be causing some delays. Aug 23 21:03:17 I really thought the ssh delay was a wifi power-saving "feature" Aug 23 21:03:23 could be that too Aug 23 21:03:35 powerd is disabled when its plugged in. Aug 23 21:03:51 did we see if nagle's is on? Aug 23 21:03:51 but not when it's on the ts :-\ Aug 23 21:03:58 ya, bummers Aug 23 21:04:05 dtzWill: not yet Aug 23 21:04:38 dtzWill: will check in a bit, if it's wrong, I can fix it with iptables. Aug 23 21:04:41 I think the super-long topic in this channel is causing webchat to not advance on new lines Aug 23 21:04:47 excellent Aug 23 21:05:09 my first mission is to kill all interactively latency over ssh Aug 23 21:05:13 interactive Aug 23 21:05:24 that would make my day Aug 23 21:05:29 drobbins, if you find a fix please let us know and we can see about getting the fix into the next ssh release. Aug 23 21:05:33 it's so annoying Aug 23 21:05:36 ka6sox: ok Aug 23 21:05:49 I really think the ECN helped a ton Aug 23 21:05:59 it fixed issues in editors. Aug 23 21:06:13 line editing over ssh can be a bit weird with arrow keys -- those are small packets. Aug 23 21:06:21 I am thinking compression overhead atm. Aug 23 21:07:23 turning off compression seems to help Aug 23 21:07:26 maybe compression algo minimum block size ? Aug 23 21:07:47 perfect now Aug 23 21:08:09 i'll have to check when i'm home, my office wifi is turrible :( Aug 23 21:08:21 Compression no in /opt/etc/openssh/sshd_config Aug 23 21:08:29 "Compression no" Aug 23 21:08:50 then kill sshd, log out, log back in. Aug 23 21:09:00 and you disabled tcp_ecn too? Aug 23 21:09:04 yes Aug 23 21:09:26 echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn Aug 23 21:09:31 those are simple fixes. Aug 23 21:09:36 try it, see how you like it Aug 23 21:10:08 will do...and get feedback from a number of folks...if it comes out as good as its working for me now...I'm happy. Aug 23 21:10:11 prewares description of wirc says something aboiut needing to run emergency fstab fixer as a prerequisite. I don't see this in preware. Is this a requirement for the touchpad? Aug 23 21:11:03 anyone here work with both enyo and titanium mobile? Aug 23 21:11:21 I'm sorry, it sounds like a stupid question, but I really don't see it anywhere Aug 23 21:13:02 mib_guxnz4: i beleive that was a requirement to have somewhere for wirc to save files Aug 23 21:13:15 in order for it to write to /media/internal, you had to fix the fstab. Aug 23 21:13:22 i don't think this has ever been an issue on the touchpad Aug 23 21:13:37 (and was fixed in 1.4.5 iirc, but only for doctor'd/new devices, not OTA'd ones) Aug 23 21:13:44 ok. as long as it's not destructive to the device or something. going to just try Aug 23 21:13:49 (hence the need for the fstab tool/patch deal) Aug 23 21:14:26 maybe project "documentation update" can include the preware app descriptions... Aug 23 21:15:54 I think there is a delay introduced because up/down-arrow causes the shell to read a history file. Aug 23 21:16:04 and that is slow in busybox Aug 23 21:16:09 ? Aug 23 21:16:16 the fstab fixup issue was only for older OS versions. current (2.1 and later) should have the correct fstab Aug 23 21:16:54 drobbins: could be, bb is rather configurable and some of the algos are linear Aug 23 21:16:55 sshd has a niceness of 5 Aug 23 21:17:06 that is the only time I am seeing a delay now. Aug 23 21:17:18 up/down-arrow for history Aug 23 21:17:28 they have lots of space/speed trade-offs configurable at build-time Aug 23 21:17:44 drobbins: use optware to install a new shell, and see if that helps? Aug 23 21:17:50 yeah Aug 23 21:18:09 good call though Aug 23 21:18:14 * dtzWill is excited to have these issues sorted out Aug 23 21:18:29 sometimes there is no delay for up/down arrow Aug 23 21:18:34 sometimes it sits there for a sec or two. Aug 23 21:18:38 all other lag seems gone now Aug 23 21:18:59 nice tweak should help as well Aug 23 21:19:44 but it's very useable now. Aug 23 21:20:25 good, i look forward to poking at that when i get home :D Aug 23 21:21:55 mib_guxnz4: no its not Aug 23 21:23:09 yeah I use bash from optware on the tp Aug 23 21:29:29 samehere Aug 23 21:29:58 got tired of bb's quicky history behavior Aug 23 21:30:17 s/c/r/ Aug 23 21:30:17 linuxjacques meant: got tired of bb's quirky history behavior Aug 23 21:31:00 bb is *always* a compromise Aug 23 21:32:17 I assume there is no reason I should refrain from installing 3.0.2 on my touchpad? Aug 23 21:32:37 less than no reason Aug 23 21:32:49 3.0.2 >> 3.0.0 Aug 23 21:33:42 ok - thanks Aug 23 21:34:02 scorche, fixed a number of quirks for me.... Aug 23 21:35:27 its what should have shipped with the tp. Aug 23 21:36:01 yep Aug 23 21:36:02 way better than 3.0.0 Aug 23 21:36:58 doctor vs update Aug 23 21:37:00 which is better? Aug 23 21:37:09 no difference Aug 23 21:37:18 depends Aug 23 21:37:21 doctor will be cleanest. any cruft accumulation Aug 23 21:37:42 well update won't require to sign in again Aug 23 21:37:43 thats what I was thinking bhern Aug 23 21:37:44 but you may lose some local state, etc Aug 23 21:37:55 it's a brand new touchpad Aug 23 21:38:00 some apps save data in their local app dir, etc. you lost those on a restore Aug 23 21:38:00 if you want to do things like dev mode by default, usbnet by default, ext3fs partition, etc. it's best to metadoctor and doctor Aug 23 21:38:18 i haven't tried metadoctor yet, but I think i'll give that a go Aug 23 21:39:22 dgarbs, especially if you want to have a chroot :D Aug 23 21:39:46 I do, but I think I'd rather use the image file Aug 23 21:39:57 i don't like partitions Aug 23 21:40:10 image file gives me the flexibility to remove it easily Aug 23 21:40:51 not recommended from a number of standpoints... Aug 23 21:41:00 including interfering with OTA. Aug 23 21:41:40 Hey all. Is there a relatively solid tutorial for installing an Ubuntu chroot (as opposed to a plain debian one) available yet? Aug 23 21:41:43 i see Aug 23 21:41:55 are the key mappings figured out for ubuntu yet? Aug 23 21:42:12 mostly Aug 23 21:42:32 you can help with that :D Aug 23 21:43:39 Cerealklr, Not yet, I'm working on it ;) Aug 23 21:44:10 NuttyBunny: Good seeing you again! Let me know when you have something you want vetted -- I'd be more than happy to be a guinea pig Aug 23 21:44:55 And I have 1 of each U.S. TouchPad available to guinea pig with (though I doubt there'd be any difference, quantitative testing is still always good. =P) Aug 23 21:48:35 Cerealklr: It works on my TP, the problem is not testing, but documenting ;D Aug 23 21:49:03 NuttyBunny: If I can get a terminal history log I might be able to help with that too. =P Aug 23 21:50:10 I've had to document other processes like this before at work (I'm a Tech for a school district. We need to chronicle stuff religiously because the district would collapse and burn without us). Aug 23 21:50:41 does anyone have a favorite webos ebook reader that supports the mobi format? Aug 23 21:52:01 pReader. Download the pReader Native which is in alpha but really works well through Preware. Aug 23 21:52:29 the regular pReader has to use a javascript unzipper, which is not horrible, but is somewhat slow. The native uses compiled code. Aug 23 21:53:20 I see. Thanks for the tip. Aug 23 21:56:47 http://pastebin.com/hRQeHzQH ubuntu running in virtualbox on windows 7 host, trying to setup the pdk on ubuntu server, 7zip errors out saying no such archive Aug 23 21:57:19 on make setup Aug 23 21:57:37 using http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK for the setup Aug 23 21:58:32 ooh, I am missing the xar deb files as pointed out in note2, nvm Aug 23 22:02:56 hrm, perhaps after I install the 2 xar packages I need to make clean? Aug 23 22:03:53 You're using Ubuntu 11.04 then? Aug 23 22:05:08 yeah Aug 23 22:05:14 11.04 server Aug 23 22:05:22 x64 Aug 23 22:05:29 amd64 that is Aug 23 22:05:32 yep Aug 23 22:06:14 and everything up to "make setup" has worked without complaint? Aug 23 22:06:26 indeed Aug 23 22:06:36 Hello! Aug 23 22:06:40 hello :) Aug 23 22:06:59 And you're still getting the error you pastebinned prior? Aug 23 22:07:05 yes Aug 23 22:07:14 Does anyone know much about WebOS development by any chance? I'm working on my first application and had one more thing I needed but I can't figure out how to do it. Aug 23 22:07:22 Okay, give me a few minutes to familiarize myself with the makefile Aug 23 22:07:44 I got nothing but time :) Aug 23 22:07:58 insutantu1 what do you need to know? Aug 23 22:08:02 waiting for my touchpad has been brutal lol Aug 23 22:08:05 insutantu1: You might be better suited in the #webos room for more general development issues, or, failing that, perhaps the development forums at developer.palm.com Aug 23 22:08:16 Oh, looks like someone's available Aug 23 22:08:18 =P Aug 23 22:08:41 I have an application that displays images and I want to make it so that when you tap the image/hold the image, it prompts to save it as your Wallpaper. I'm not really finding many resources online and I'm not too familiar with WebOS development. Thanks!!! Aug 23 22:09:36 insutantu1, i'm kind of in the same boat xD Aug 23 22:09:43 good luck with what you're doing Aug 23 22:10:17 Haha, thanks. Have you had any luck yet?!? Everything is finished with my application EXCEPT for that. :( Aug 23 22:11:15 did I mention, just before this, I found I hadn't installed virtualbox-ose thanks to make setup telling me Aug 23 22:12:07 Cerealklr, ^, but then I installed it, and tried again, then realized I forgot xar and libxar1, and got those Aug 23 22:12:49 did you try a make clean after reinstalling everything necessary Aug 23 22:12:54 no Aug 23 22:13:06 and starting again from the last known good step (the last one in which you'd properly completed all prerequisites?) Aug 23 22:13:08 Give that a shot then Aug 23 22:13:15 I'm trying to replicate your issue Aug 23 22:13:16 k Aug 23 22:13:36 right now I'm doing a sudo aptitude safe-upgrade Aug 23 22:14:02 since that was under note2, and I think I forgot to do that too *facepalm* Aug 23 22:14:21 =P Aug 23 22:14:54 been up for 2 days trying to make a usable build enviroment, a little burned out Aug 23 22:15:04 I know how that can be Aug 23 22:15:32 tried windows with codesourcery, that worked for single simple cpp files, but not say, real projects using like cmake and the like Aug 23 22:15:35 I am currently trying to install Preware from a windows system - on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_with_the_Standalone_Installer step 5 it says to click tools and then choose install drivers to install the Novacom drivers - that option is not there on the 1.5.0 version of the Preware installer Aug 23 22:16:06 just extract the installer from the webos image Aug 23 22:16:38 ahh, virtualbox-ose update Aug 23 22:16:41 s/installer/novacom_driver/ Aug 23 22:16:41 nebula meant: just extract the novacom_driver from the webos image Aug 23 22:16:42 that might fix the issue Aug 23 22:16:43 scorche: I don't know if someone else can help you with that method, but I can help you with installation via either WebOS Quick Install or via Palm Novacom, if your issues persist. Aug 23 22:17:12 ok - i will try the "Installing Preware with WebOS Quick Install" method Aug 23 22:19:58 quick install is awesome Aug 23 22:23:34 I did a make clean, went back, make toolchain, setup scratchbox again, then make setup, still same error Aug 23 22:24:50 Ironsight: I'm about to do make toolchain. I've got to build up to the point you're at to get access to the toolchain, which takes over fairly quickly from the makefile, to find out what's going wrong Aug 23 22:25:17 k Aug 23 22:26:01 Hello? Aug 23 22:26:17 heya tr, how's the droid port goin? Aug 23 22:26:28 trsohmers: o/ :) Aug 23 22:26:34 OK Aug 23 22:27:25 cool :) Aug 23 22:28:08 So I had a quick question Aug 23 22:28:11 yeah - webOS quick install is nifty - thanks =) Aug 23 22:28:22 is there any way to make a webOS doctor flashable folder from a device? Aug 23 22:28:50 so a low level partition backup Aug 23 22:29:08 scorche: Glad to help! Aug 23 22:29:50 ? Aug 23 22:30:14 might wanna ask in #webos too Aug 23 22:30:31 #webos more like #weaboos am I right Aug 23 22:30:41 hehe Aug 23 22:31:24 trsohmers: what are you asking, i'm sorry? Aug 23 22:31:41 a way to be able to make a full low level backup of a webOS device Aug 23 22:31:44 specifically the Touchpad Aug 23 22:31:46 i'm parsing your question as "from my device i would like to flash a folder with a webos doctor" Aug 23 22:31:50 oh Aug 23 22:32:05 trsohmers: of the disk? Aug 23 22:32:12 yea Aug 23 22:32:36 dd over novaterm? Aug 23 22:32:53 hmmm Aug 23 22:33:28 but no way to make it into a webOS Doctor flashable folder? Aug 23 22:33:58 what is a webos doctor flashable folder :/ Aug 23 22:34:05 trsohmers: you can go and play with the partitions Aug 23 22:34:06 you mean something you can construct a webos doctor form? Aug 23 22:34:16 dtzWill: I suppose Aug 23 22:34:24 Basically… is there anyway to clone a webOS device Aug 23 22:34:34 dtzWill, trsohmers: sure Aug 23 22:34:40 I think he means he wants to make an image of / of his touchpad, put it on his computer, play with the image, then make it into a reflashable webos image Aug 23 22:34:40 ask the guy with the 2.1 Pixis :P Aug 23 22:34:47 my understanding, and this could be wrong, is that the webos doctor sets up the partitions using lvm/mkfs/etc, and then copies the rootfs/etc where they go... Aug 23 22:34:53 so you can take one webOS device and transfer the entire filesystem, all the partitions, etc onto another device Aug 23 22:35:09 you could, but it can cause problems Aug 23 22:35:10 Ironsight: Don't want to play with it at all Aug 23 22:35:37 does the disk contain device-specific information? Aug 23 22:35:39 rwhitby: You there? Aug 23 22:35:42 (open question, i'm unsure of answer) Aug 23 22:35:51 you better create the partitions backups with meta doctor, and when you need to restore them, just set up the lvm volumes and restore everything, it's not that hard Aug 23 22:36:17 but you won't ask the guy with the 2.1 Pixis, cause he's gone Aug 23 22:36:26 Ok.. Aug 23 22:36:53 but I told you the basics, meta doctor's target is "backup" Aug 23 22:37:17 so basically then you want to make a flash image for web doctor of what you currently have on your touchpad? Aug 23 22:37:17 NuttyBunny: Could you give me a link? Aug 23 22:37:21 or is it just a metadoctor? Aug 23 22:37:29 just go to the wiki page Aug 23 22:37:42 trsohmers: wiki page, it's the same meta doctor for everyone :D Aug 23 22:37:50 Heh Aug 23 22:37:56 oh i see, metadoctor actually supports making a device backup Aug 23 22:38:03 lol using dd, tar, and cat :) Aug 23 22:38:14 yep Aug 23 22:38:24 dtzWill, It works, I used that for the Pixis :D Aug 23 22:38:52 Cerealklr, were you able to replicate the makefile issue I shown? Aug 23 22:38:58 * NuttyBunny proudly holds his (slow) 2.1 Pixi :D Aug 23 22:39:08 what is the best webos device? Aug 23 22:39:11 Hmm Aug 23 22:39:14 other than the touchpad? Aug 23 22:39:17 maybe I just don't understand Aug 23 22:39:24 pre3. Aug 23 22:39:38 I don't see anything about backing a device up on the MetaDoctor page Aug 23 22:39:57 no, you have to look into the code :D Aug 23 22:40:03 trsohmers: download the metadoctor and look at the makefile Aug 23 22:40:10 I'll tell you later how to do it if you don't find it before Aug 23 22:40:11 documentation sucks Aug 23 22:40:26 backup/mount targets in particular Aug 23 22:40:31 Ok Nut Aug 23 22:40:50 uses tar/dd on the partitions ;), told ya :) Aug 23 22:40:57 didn't realize we had it all rolled up nicely though Aug 23 22:41:23 NuttyBunny: is there no concerns about using the same tokens/etc on multiple devices? Aug 23 22:41:37 I'll be on later Aug 23 22:41:56 Cerealklr, I used ubuntu-11.04-server-amd64.iso to build it on virtualbox 4.0.12 r72916 64bit, if it makes any difference Aug 23 22:42:06 trsohmers: enjoy Aug 23 22:42:15 http://www.precentral.net/backup Aug 23 22:42:16 ? Aug 23 22:42:46 Ironsight: AFAIK, it server edition shouldn't make a difference in this case, since desktop is it + GUI + a few starting programs Aug 23 22:42:46 Nevermind about that link Aug 23 22:43:10 Can't find anything… oy Aug 23 22:43:42 does anything gui happen on the makefile when it uses virtualbox-ose? Aug 23 22:43:50 Ironsight: Am on the last step before make setup. Should be able to figure something out soon, I hope Aug 23 22:43:54 I'm a webOS moron :| Aug 23 22:43:56 kk Aug 23 22:44:40 Ironsight: We'll find out in a minute, but unless it launches virtualbox (sort of weird if it did) and unless virtual box requires a window manager (I don't believe it does) that shouldn't have an effect Aug 23 22:45:10 if that is the issue though, we can just install X11 + Gnome on your server edition to get you going Aug 23 22:45:13 we'll find out in a bit Aug 23 22:45:32 Running make setup now. Aug 23 22:45:34 NuttyBunny: how to restore the backup? i see what it's doing and could apply it manually, but j/w is there an automated way of doing that? Aug 23 22:48:15 Ironsight: how far are you on setting up the WIDK ? Aug 23 22:48:25 He's stuck at make setup Aug 23 22:48:34 yep Aug 23 22:50:44 7zip errors out with no such archive on nova-cust-image-sdk1457.raw 0.img Aug 23 22:52:01 even after the xar thing? Aug 23 22:52:07 yeah Aug 23 22:52:11 I mean you installed the xar packages? Aug 23 22:52:16 hmm Aug 23 22:52:36 I wget'ed the amd64 packages, then dpgk -i'ed them Aug 23 22:53:01 linuxjacques: It looks like a DL failure, more than anything else. Aug 23 22:53:12 ah Aug 23 22:53:15 trying to figure out where that file would be located Aug 23 22:53:41 @Ironsight: I just successfully make setup'd. Let me dig through my log to try and find that out Aug 23 22:54:02 what files are in your downloads dir ? Aug 23 22:54:41 Not that one, curiously Aug 23 22:55:11 And my entire log does not reference nova-* anywhere in it Aug 23 22:55:14 during the make setup stage Aug 23 22:55:17 0.o Aug 23 22:55:19 I think that's extracted from another, like maybe the .dmg Aug 23 22:55:36 That would make sense Aug 23 22:55:40 let me dig for it Aug 23 22:56:34 looks like dmg filesa re in doctors dir, not downloads Aug 23 22:56:58 I have Palm_webOS_SDK.1.4.5.465.dmg and Palm_webOS_SDK.3.0.0.643.dmg Aug 23 22:57:30 linuxjacques: If it is extracted, it also gets cleaned up after setup Aug 23 22:57:38 I can't find it anywhere in the directory or its children Aug 23 22:58:29 look at the Makefile Aug 23 22:58:47 doctors/palm-sdk_1.4.5-svn307799-sdk1457-pho465_i386.deb Aug 23 22:58:51 is the dep for it Aug 23 22:59:07 I don't have that because I do make setup-armv7 Aug 23 22:59:19 I don't need/use the x86 stuff Aug 23 22:59:23 hmm Aug 23 22:59:50 oh wow, i'm blind Aug 23 22:59:54 that is two separate files Aug 23 23:00:05 Ironsight: could you paste me the link to your pastebin again? Aug 23 23:00:12 sure Aug 23 23:00:24 http://pastebin.com/hRQeHzQH Aug 23 23:00:40 here's mine by the way, in case you think of anything Aug 23 23:00:43 http://pastebin.com/YsMQhJxP Aug 23 23:02:06 SDK 1.4.5.465.vmdk.zip Aug 23 23:02:06 Ironsight: are you planning on using the emulator? Aug 23 23:02:16 no Aug 23 23:02:20 it extracts nova-cust-image-sdk1457.vmdk from that, successfully Aug 23 23:02:26 virtualbox in a virtualbox would be stupid Aug 23 23:02:31 then do make setup-armv7 Aug 23 23:02:46 And then it uses VBoxManage to clone that to: "nova-cust-image-sdk1457.raw" Aug 23 23:02:55 one of the two images in question Aug 23 23:03:12 it succeeded at that to Aug 23 23:03:18 leaving the errored line: "7z x -y -orootfs/i686/extract rootfs/i686/extract/nova-cust-image-sdk1457.raw 0.img" Aug 23 23:03:21 so the issue is Aug 23 23:03:23 0.img Aug 23 23:03:43 or so I assume Aug 23 23:04:21 is doctors/palm-sdk_1.4.5-svn307799-sdk1457-pho465_i386.deb maybe corrupted? Aug 23 23:04:35 could be? Aug 23 23:04:37 well, looking at the error log Aug 23 23:04:41 it's truncated Aug 23 23:04:44 but it seems your first error Aug 23 23:04:48 actually occured Aug 23 23:04:50 before make setup Aug 23 23:05:01 is fs full? Aug 23 23:05:14 no, it's definitely truncated Aug 23 23:05:26 I assume his history buffer isn't big enough Aug 23 23:05:27 oh man, / is 94% in use Aug 23 23:05:29 that's the usual case Aug 23 23:05:55 @Ironsight: How much space does that leave free? Aug 23 23:05:58 it only has 412 megs free Aug 23 23:06:04 whoops Aug 23 23:06:05 that may well be the issue Aug 23 23:06:09 =D Aug 23 23:06:12 WIDK requires boucoup space Aug 23 23:06:23 can I grow a virtualbox drie? Aug 23 23:06:27 drive* Aug 23 23:06:49 depends on the format you stored it in Aug 23 23:06:53 but typically yes Aug 23 23:06:54 s/bou/beau/ Aug 23 23:06:54 linuxjacques meant: WIDK requires beaucoup space Aug 23 23:07:01 ext4 Aug 23 23:07:26 linuxjacques: I actually googled it when you said it. Apparently it has an accurate meaning in Vietnamese. I was confused and impressed for a minute. =D Aug 23 23:07:27 I'll give it a couple more gigs... Aug 23 23:08:29 hrm, doesn't seem to be a setting in virtualbox to expand the partition :( Aug 23 23:08:41 Yea, it's a lot more manual than that, IIRC Aug 23 23:08:43 guess I start from scratch Aug 23 23:08:51 would be quicker lol Aug 23 23:08:56 well, that may be true Aug 23 23:08:59 =D Aug 23 23:12:08 NuttyBunny: Is there any manner of intimidation or trickery I can employ to get a terminal log from you for the Ubuntu chroot'ing process? Erm, I've already got the Homebrew Documentation App, but I can buy it for my dad on his TP. =D Aug 23 23:12:30 Cerealklr: I knew I had seen that spelling somewhere Aug 23 23:12:51 I figure 15 gigs should cover me Aug 23 23:13:37 Ironsight: depepends on what you;re doing Aug 23 23:14:02 I have a 19GiB partition which is full Aug 23 23:14:02 small sdl games Aug 23 23:14:16 but I have two WIDK builds in it Aug 23 23:15:19 I have 3GiB in downloads + doctors alone Aug 23 23:15:28 yuck... Aug 23 23:15:42 I will probably do my doctor stuff on windows side Aug 23 23:15:57 and just use this virtual machine just for bulding binaries Aug 23 23:16:13 (my downloads and doctors dirs are shared between the WIDK instances) Aug 23 23:19:45 me cross-compile dir is 6.2G (not counting the other 3GiB) Aug 23 23:29:40 Greetings Aug 23 23:32:14 hey bhern ! Aug 23 23:32:53 rwhitby: do you happen to know where in the OS the code that controls the angry bird slingshot sound resides? Aug 23 23:33:16 I'm going to guess deep in the os that isn't patch-able Aug 23 23:33:40 Tibfib: in LunaSysMgr binary Aug 23 23:33:40 probably in lunasysmgr Aug 23 23:33:45 yeah Aug 23 23:33:51 so not patch-able Aug 23 23:33:54 :/ Aug 23 23:33:54 hey rwhitby, I'm somewhat unclear on how to tell palm-package to include pmPostInstall and PreRemove Aug 23 23:33:57 Tibfib: but the audio clip should be replaceable Aug 23 23:34:05 i've been unable to find anything on the wiki or any forums Aug 23 23:34:07 any ideas? Aug 23 23:34:11 sailerboy: see the Makefile in the Hello! repo Aug 23 23:34:15 Tibfib: binary patchable :-) Aug 23 23:34:16 rwhitby: ah, I want to make the slingshot sound to trigger from ANY orientation Aug 23 23:34:29 linuxjacques: heh, that's out of my range of knowledge Aug 23 23:34:55 rwhitby, oh, so i just have to add it manually? Aug 23 23:35:59 Tibfib: best case there are filename strings for the "special" and "normal" cases. you could in theory replace "normal" case with "special" Aug 23 23:36:26 assuming the audio data isn't linked into the luna binary Aug 23 23:36:32 yeah Aug 23 23:36:36 sailerboy: palm-package doesn't understand postinst scripts, since they do things as root so not allowed in app catalog Aug 23 23:36:39 it might be locked down, rovio might not want it released Aug 23 23:36:50 I'll do some investigating then Aug 23 23:36:57 rwhitby, right Aug 23 23:37:09 thanks linuxjacques! Aug 23 23:39:57 rwhitby: I was looking into metadoctor's Makefile to try to see how to do a low level backup... Aug 23 23:40:05 but I can't quite figure it out :| Aug 23 23:40:22 I need help with this code it's not running correctly here's a link to it: http://codetidy.com/1066/ i'm trying to get it to save the image as a wallpaper Aug 23 23:40:24 I also couldn't find much written about it online... Aug 23 23:40:27 time to learn shell scripting then Aug 23 23:40:34 the source is there, nothing more is needed. Aug 23 23:40:41 I did find this... Aug 23 23:40:46 it's basically dd isn't it? Aug 23 23:41:02 I'm guessing .PHONY: backup Aug 23 23:41:06 that whole piece Aug 23 23:42:09 ~utsl Aug 23 23:42:10 infobot: botslap Aug 23 23:42:10 it has been said that utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). Real Men don't write documentation; if it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. Aug 23 23:42:10 * infobot cowers away from rwhitby Aug 23 23:43:07 Hahaha Aug 23 23:43:58 *facepalm* Aug 23 23:44:09 I really need to get some sleep because I am not thinking logically Aug 23 23:44:24 less sleep, more caffeine Aug 23 23:44:32 sleep is for the weak! Aug 23 23:44:35 ;) Aug 23 23:44:36 Or I should start drinking coffee Aug 23 23:44:36 infobot: too slow! no botsnack for you! Aug 23 23:44:37 linuxjacques: :) Aug 23 23:46:02 meh Aug 23 23:46:09 infobot is just slow because he runs on an hp firesale website server Aug 23 23:46:15 oh snap Aug 23 23:46:19 rwhitby: Also, I liked the iOS on the Touchpad picture :P Aug 23 23:46:27 infobot: is that true? Aug 23 23:46:29 don't you be dissin my mate infobot. Aug 23 23:46:34 ;) Aug 23 23:46:51 * linuxjacques shakes infobot. Aug 23 23:46:55 silly infobot Aug 23 23:47:01 trsohmers: the pic was oil's work. Aug 23 23:47:09 :) Aug 23 23:47:15 nice lol Aug 23 23:49:59 wait, what ios on touchpad pic? Aug 23 23:50:59 * Ironsight makes a freedos webos dualboot Aug 23 23:51:02 ;) Aug 23 23:51:11 not even close to possible, but ehh Aug 23 23:51:28 closest you will get there is porting dosbox Aug 23 23:52:21 dosbox has been done already Aug 23 23:52:31 I figured it would have been :) Aug 23 23:52:37 great app Aug 23 23:53:45 good for a game or 2 of zork Aug 23 23:54:06 or the millions of other dos games Aug 23 23:57:09 it was ported to pre in 2009 Aug 23 23:57:17 bbl Aug 23 23:58:01 * Ironsight needs to be ported to the pre Aug 23 23:58:16 * sailerboy needs to be ported, period Aug 24 00:05:09 * Ironsight watches his 13 month old eat banana puffs while he does a make toolchain Aug 24 00:31:09 hey Aug 24 00:31:34 anyone know a good tp app for google voice texting? Aug 24 00:31:44 I don't like web interface Aug 24 00:32:12 siestacat, i know a great one Aug 24 00:32:17 it's called design your own Aug 24 00:32:19 yeh? Aug 24 00:32:22 ew Aug 24 00:32:29 I barely know html Aug 24 00:32:37 I'm working on it Aug 24 00:32:44 I just started with mojo Aug 24 00:33:00 but nabbed a tp on the firewall at wally Aug 24 00:33:09 fire sale* Aug 24 00:33:38 so Enyo is brand new Aug 24 00:34:16 I have a Pixi and a tp Aug 24 00:37:13 siestacat: note the channel you're in. if you're just asking about random apps you might choose a non-development channel. Aug 24 00:38:16 oh Aug 24 00:38:18 sorry Aug 24 00:38:25 was trying for #webos Aug 24 00:38:47 Guys Aug 24 00:38:50 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1230723&page=2 Aug 24 00:39:05 I need touchpad devs who might want this project Aug 24 00:39:54 Please check it out Aug 24 00:44:08 PalmDroid-er, you may want to check out #touchdroid Aug 24 00:44:32 I have, I contacted them Aug 24 00:44:35 Im waitign for a response. Aug 24 00:45:06 I love WebOS, but I want more apps, Aug 24 00:48:20 PalmDroid-er: what apps cannot run on a Dalvik port? Aug 24 00:48:53 PalmDroid-er: and how is the pending patent litigation issue being handled? Aug 24 00:49:06 Im not really good with this stuff, I just posted the idea. That is why im looking for people in the WebOS and Android community to help out. Aug 24 00:50:46 well, when you know someone who can compile Dalvik and run it in a chroot, let me know. Aug 24 00:51:04 cause you won't need webOS folks before then Aug 24 00:52:32 Any place you know where I can fidn someone like that? Aug 24 00:52:40 #touchdroid Aug 24 00:54:26 Any place else? I already contacted them and am awaiting a response. Aug 24 00:55:14 PalmDroid-er: We're working on a full android port and can almost guarantee if we get that working, then we will be able to have a dual boot Aug 24 00:55:38 Porting dalvikvm aliendalvik style will take a lot of time and effort Aug 24 00:56:31 I understand that, I would rather not have to reboot and switch my OS just to use apps I want to use. Aug 24 00:56:37 I would also suggest RootzWiki over XDA… I guess I may be a bit biased, but there a lot more better developers on Rootz than XDA Aug 24 00:56:38 hmm Aug 24 00:56:58 are there any third party feeds for preware? Aug 24 00:57:08 too many script kiddies and people nagging for ETAs Aug 24 00:57:11 on XDA Aug 24 00:57:41 trsohmers, at least there's people on XDA Aug 24 00:57:46 i don't see really anyone for my phone Aug 24 00:58:06 sailerboy, which phone? Aug 24 00:58:12 sailerboy: But how many of the people on XDA actually contribute to development? Aug 24 00:58:19 trsohmers, for android? Aug 24 00:58:20 quite a few Aug 24 00:58:26 Yeah, I'm thinking about launching a thread on Rootz after we get some devs Aug 24 00:58:28 I usually stay in the development forum Aug 24 00:58:35 Plus a lot of people are running away from XDA like the plague Aug 24 00:58:38 and ignore anything after the first page Aug 24 00:58:45 ka6sox, captivate Aug 24 00:58:51 there's about 10-15 topics in rootzwiki Aug 24 00:58:51 PalmDroid-er: There is actually a thread already on Rootz regarding AlienVM on the touchpad Aug 24 00:59:15 really? Aug 24 00:59:19 link> Aug 24 00:59:31 http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3391 Aug 24 01:00:59 We've actually started a real project Aug 24 01:01:22 PalmDroid-er, trsohmers: please note the /topic Aug 24 01:01:43 Sorry Aug 24 01:02:32 damn it Aug 24 01:02:52 can I use ubuntu chroot without meta doctor? Aug 24 01:03:01 I'm sick of make errors Aug 24 01:03:05 Jeff if its slo Aug 24 01:03:43 Adobe reader can't see my pdf's in a directory called books under root. Do I really have to dump these all at the top of the drive? Aug 24 01:05:54 on the everything pre forums I saw a homebrew book reader that was supposed to be rather robust Aug 24 01:06:33 I have one called preader that I'm using for mobi files. It's really nice, but I don't think it supports pdf. Aug 24 01:06:45 actually, i think it was precentral Aug 24 01:07:22 pReader, yeah Aug 24 01:07:44 there's an app for linux that converts all ebook types that might work for ya Aug 24 01:07:50 Assuming I actually manage to get a Pre^3 in the US, would I need to activate it with Impostah or am I okay? Aug 24 01:07:56 * Ironsight tries to remember that app Aug 24 01:08:26 converting it is one idea, but at least one person has told me that I should be able to see pdf's in a sub-dir, and I can't Aug 24 01:08:50 hrm Aug 24 01:08:59 http://calibre-ebook.com/ if you want to convert later Aug 24 01:09:19 it's linux/windows/mac, etc Aug 24 01:09:38 thx. I guess it would be nice to use one app for all books anyway Aug 24 01:09:57 I did it for my wife's galaxy tab Aug 24 01:10:21 did it maintain the formatting pretty well? Aug 24 01:11:07 oh yeah Aug 24 01:11:08 :) Aug 24 01:11:09 Xuzz: dunno. I'd use Impostah to be safe. Aug 24 01:11:26 Xuzz: but feel free to test the stock activation and let us know. Aug 24 01:11:27 Are they out yet in UK, btw? Aug 24 01:11:41 yep. mine is somewhere between finland and australia at the moment. Aug 24 01:11:43 (and/or France) Aug 24 01:11:48 er, I mean for the reduced price Aug 24 01:11:53 no Aug 24 01:11:55 okay Aug 24 01:11:59 USD$500 in UK Aug 24 01:12:13 mine might ship by the end of the week now... Aug 24 01:12:14 k Aug 24 01:12:29 guess it gives me plenty of time to code Aug 24 01:13:03 do we know when they *will* be lowering it? i have two people who might be able to get me one, but dunno when/where they should be looking Aug 24 01:18:09 hi Aug 24 01:18:25 how do install Preware on the Touchpad? Aug 24 01:18:52 can't find it in the HP App Catalog Aug 24 01:19:01 http://bit.ly/phd-ac Aug 24 01:19:02 it's not in the hp catalog Aug 24 01:19:11 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware Aug 24 01:19:14 erm Aug 24 01:19:23 LarrySteeze: the other link is better ;) Aug 24 01:19:43 sorry Aug 24 01:19:52 didn't realize where the link went till after I posted mine Aug 24 01:20:00 LarrySteeze: nothing wrong with your link Aug 24 01:20:14 I know, but yours supports the community Aug 24 01:20:23 LarrySteeze: well, mine supports me. Aug 24 01:20:44 can I do ubuntu without meta doctor? Aug 24 01:20:49 *shrug* you've been a major part of the community Aug 24 01:20:57 even if its zlow? Aug 24 01:20:59 rwhitby's boat needs a new paint job Aug 24 01:21:31 when the doctor was first released, I tried to get everyone to communicate on twitter...you set up a wiki Aug 24 01:21:57 anyone? Aug 24 01:22:04 LarrySteeze: http://donate.webos-internals.org/ is the common donation link. Aug 24 01:22:18 * LarrySteeze sighs * Aug 24 01:22:31 * haeffb doesn't believe in rwhitby's boat Aug 24 01:22:41 haeffb: it's not as good as oil's Aug 24 01:22:51 oil painting? Aug 24 01:22:52 * oil REALLY doesnt have a boat lol Aug 24 01:23:03 * haeffb doesn't believe in oil's boat even more Aug 24 01:23:12 * rwhitby has a laptop Aug 24 01:23:23 laptop was paid for by PHD revenue Aug 24 01:23:24 * haeffb believes in rwhitby's laptop Aug 24 01:23:37 laptop is use for webOS development Aug 24 01:23:43 s/use/used/ Aug 24 01:23:43 rwhitby meant: laptop is used for webOS development Aug 24 01:23:48 and surfing the interwebs ? Aug 24 01:24:01 what's your point? Aug 24 01:24:01 laptop does lots of stuff, and was a work tax deduction Aug 24 01:24:03 oops Aug 24 01:24:06 wrong channel Aug 24 01:24:28 configure: error: *** SDL version 1.0.1 not found! on doom test compile in scratchbox Aug 24 01:26:12 guess it would help if I installed libsdl-dev lol Aug 24 01:29:04 Couldnt hurt :P Aug 24 01:30:08 anyone try the sshd performance mods? Aug 24 01:33:08 hrm, still giving me bunk... http://pastebin.com/wQbZPJCt Aug 24 01:33:15 . Aug 24 01:33:17 libsdl1.2-dev Aug 24 01:33:22 installed and all Aug 24 01:36:03 here are the performance tweaks for sshd Aug 24 01:36:13 echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn Aug 24 01:36:24 "Compression no" in /opt/etc/openssh/sshd_config Aug 24 01:36:34 kill sshd, then log out, log back in Aug 24 01:36:44 tested on touchpad Aug 24 01:37:23 makes a big difference. Aug 24 01:41:29 Okay, I've been messing with this for a while and I still can't get it. I'm a total failure I guess. :( Aug 24 01:42:17 what have you been trying to do? Aug 24 01:43:35 I installed preware and am trying to install a terminal application on my HP Touchpad. SDLTerminal does not seem to work even if I manually install, the program wont start. Where can I get terminal from and does it work on the touchpad? Aug 24 01:44:28 Typing terminal in preware just brings up the SDLTerminal app. Preware is showing 473 available packages, maybe i am missing a feed? Aug 24 01:44:31 do any of the terminals currently work, or are they all in some type of disarray ? Aug 24 01:45:27 Cubber: I installed xecutah to launch an xterm, then openssh and installed a public DSA key, so I can log in remotely. Aug 24 01:45:34 Cubber: works well Aug 24 01:46:36 drobbins that is what I am looking to do get my key on it so I can ssh to it Aug 24 01:46:43 I've been creating this, albeit pointless/stupid, application using Ares and I want to make it so when you tap an image, it prompts to save it as your wallpaper. It' so simple and i have code from an example, it's just giving me errors. I have everything done EXCEPT for that ONE thing. It's killing me. Aug 24 01:46:46 drobbins can I install xecutah from preware? Aug 24 01:46:47 Cubber: xecutah works well. Aug 24 01:46:51 Cubber: yes you can Aug 24 01:46:57 Cubber: also install openssh Aug 24 01:47:02 drobbins thanks will try that now, already got that Aug 24 01:47:05 ok Aug 24 01:47:33 drobbins xecutah does not show anything Aug 24 01:47:35 then on the touchpad, you will scp me@remote.com:.ssh/id_dsa.pub .ssh/authorized_keys Aug 24 01:47:43 Cubber: you need to add the testing feed Aug 24 01:47:44 one sec Aug 24 01:47:56 drobbins ok figured I was missing a feed Aug 24 01:48:12 you want to add Aug 24 01:48:23 ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7 Aug 24 01:49:08 drobbins: please point people to the wiki page, never to a direct feed URL Aug 24 01:49:15 drobbins: they must read the rules first Aug 24 01:49:22 ~testing-feeds Aug 24 01:49:22 testing-feeds is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Aug 24 01:49:25 rwhitby: ok Aug 24 01:49:33 ok im struggling my 2.1 install on sprint pre- keeps stalling at 8% can someone help me? Aug 24 01:49:47 thanks for the links to the wiki and to the feed Aug 24 01:49:48 rwhitby: test the sshd tweaks I posted. Aug 24 01:49:54 rwhitby: I think you'll notice a nice difference. Aug 24 01:49:57 jackjohn: what does the console log show when you run the doctor on the command line as required by the wiki page ? Aug 24 01:50:29 drobbins: what's ecn do? Aug 24 01:50:54 rwhitby: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explicit_Congestion_Notification Aug 24 01:51:01 rwhitby: seems to slow things down for ssh on armv7 Aug 24 01:51:02 thx Aug 24 01:51:27 80% of the improvement was turning ECN off Aug 24 01:52:32 and turning off compression seems to significantly reduce lag for small packets Aug 24 01:52:45 lag may be due to nice setting of 5 on sshd Aug 24 01:53:46 compression makes it a bit cpu-bound and niceness can cause it to lag Aug 24 01:54:03 @rwhitby... i created the meta doctor on ubuntu, then copied over to my windows machine, so i have just been hitting the jar directly... how can i run from console on windows? Aug 24 01:54:27 sweet, got an email from hp saying my TP will be shipped out by thurs Aug 24 01:54:51 drobbins can I do x11 forwarding with this installed? Aug 24 01:54:56 drobbins: does turning of ECN affect any other traffic negatively? Aug 24 01:55:04 drobbins: e.g. big downloads, etc. Aug 24 01:55:52 oh sweet, its just like when I install xorg-server on gentoo for the frist time! Aug 24 01:56:52 drobbins: this is excellent thanks for the assistance! Aug 24 01:58:45 rwhitby: no it shouldn't, most linux servers don't have it enabled. Aug 24 01:59:02 rwhitby: I think it was probably an unnecessary performance tweak that has some negative implications. Aug 24 01:59:06 by HP Aug 24 01:59:27 drobbins: ok, now we need to work out how to incorporate that. I guess we just put it in the openssh upstart script Aug 24 01:59:37 it's also possible that one of the packages I installed added that tweak, but none said they did Aug 24 01:59:52 you could. Aug 24 02:00:02 drobbins: do you know where it is set originally? is it a kernel default or does some init script set it? Aug 24 02:00:03 rwhitby: did you notice a nice difference? Aug 24 02:00:08 rwhitby: I don't know. Aug 24 02:00:12 I can look Aug 24 02:00:13 drobbins: haven't had a chance to test Aug 24 02:00:50 jackjohn: what google search terms have you tried so far for running a webos doctor from the command line on windows? Aug 24 02:01:27 I grepped /etc, can't find it Aug 24 02:01:29 i have just been following the webos-internals wikis Aug 24 02:02:42 ok found that... will try it Aug 24 02:03:41 java -jar do i browse to the build or the script? Aug 24 02:05:17 ok think i got it Aug 24 02:06:22 WARNING: flashing failed, move to failed card Aug 24 02:08:06 this is where it hangs Aug 24 02:08:08 Aug 23, 2011 9:04:31 PM com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.CardController logP Aug 24 02:08:08 rint Aug 24 02:08:08 INFO: WARING: carrierList on the webOS Dr is : row and carrierToken on the devic Aug 24 02:08:08 e is : sprint Aug 24 02:08:37 jackjohn: which meta-* script are you running? Aug 24 02:08:44 and which wiki page are you following? Aug 24 02:09:18 this is what i ran webosdoctorp101ueu-wr-2.1.0.jar Aug 24 02:09:45 i am following this http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade#MetaDoctor Aug 24 02:10:54 are you on step 3? Aug 24 02:12:23 i did ./scripts/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 on my linux vm Aug 24 02:12:56 if you did, it would have had a carrier token of sprint in the resulting doctor Aug 24 02:13:18 pastebin.com the full log from start to finish of how you built and ran the doctor Aug 24 02:13:35 there was also a build pre-p100eww-sprint-1.4.5 Aug 24 02:14:25 has anyone lately used the wipdk to do the sample build of doom lately in ubuntu? Aug 24 02:14:25 http://pastebin.com/Nqnf53Sy Aug 24 02:15:07 I can't even get it to ./configure --with-sdl-prefix=/usr/local without it complaining about sdl Aug 24 02:15:22 How do I use the ctrl key in xterm? Aug 24 02:15:35 since the keyboard does not seem to have one Aug 24 02:15:53 arrows would be nice too Aug 24 02:16:19 good question Aug 24 02:16:27 Cubber: neither exist, nor can you use them for that reason :( Aug 24 02:16:40 it's possible we'll support arrow keys in near-ish future Aug 24 02:16:46 control, in farther future. Aug 24 02:17:00 but all of that would be on bt keyboard, although we have hopes/plans for such on the vkb too. Aug 24 02:17:09 so I guess editing files in xterm is probably best left to a ssh session Aug 24 02:17:13 jackjohn: need the log of the build, not the run. Aug 24 02:17:31 basically I'm just trying to test the build enviroment Aug 24 02:17:49 where is that Aug 24 02:17:49 Cubber: unfortunately, or use vim :) Aug 24 02:17:54 although no escape either, so good luck. Aug 24 02:20:31 Cerealklr ^ Aug 24 02:21:38 ok I think I screwed up, I tried to change my root profile to use bash after I installed in via preware and now I cannot ssh to my touchpad anymore or start xterm Aug 24 02:21:51 I just edited /etc/passwd and changed /bin/sh to /bin/bash for root Aug 24 02:24:00 says cannot exec /bin/bash no such file or directory. I installed it via preware Aug 24 02:27:06 does internalz pro allow me to see files in / on the touchpad ? Aug 24 02:27:46 If you are using a cross-compiler, you must also have the libraries Aug 24 02:27:47 cross-compiled for your target system, it won't work with the host ones. when I look up there error, I get that... Aug 24 02:34:13 well I can get to the file with internals but cannot edit it Aug 24 02:35:03 O.o Aug 24 02:35:20 I think I installed the wrong preware on my touchpad lol Aug 24 02:37:21 LarrySteeze: there is only mojo-preware Aug 24 02:38:42 I've been creating this, albeit pointless/stupid, application using Ares and I want to make it so when you tap an image, it prompts to save it as your wallpaper. It' so simple and i have code from an example, it's just giving me errors. I have everything done EXCEPT for that ONE thing. It's killing me Aug 24 02:38:55 ah Aug 24 02:39:09 random q: has anyone compiled a newer version of node on webos? or the same version (0.2.3) but w/ a newer version of V8? Aug 24 02:39:14 I posted this earlier. Hahahaha. I'm getting really aggravated and I hate my life. Aug 24 02:39:16 that makes sense as to why it's running so small then Aug 24 02:39:27 I'll have to look to see if there is a patch to double pixel apps Aug 24 02:40:12 so if im creating my builds on a linux vm machine, what is the best method to install 2.1 onto the pre? connecting it to the vm somehow? Aug 24 02:40:33 was just doing some testing the other night and found that versions of Chrome running V8 3.x ran at twice the speed of V8 2.x (on 3.0.2, node is v0.2.3 and runs V8 2.5.9.22-2) Aug 24 02:42:08 [SB2 mapping-armv7 armv7] adam@build-server ~ $ ldconfig (newline) /srv/preware/cross-compile/toolchain/arm-2007q3/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/libc/sbin/ldconfig: Can't open configuration file /srv/preware/cross-compile/toolchain/arm-2007q3/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/libc/etc/ld.so.conf: No such file or directory Aug 24 02:42:34 Oh, hey. Sorry for not seeing earlier Aug 24 02:42:42 it's cool Aug 24 02:42:51 were you able to build it? Aug 24 02:43:08 let me catch up first, just got back to my computer Aug 24 02:43:15 ahh ok Aug 24 02:45:46 okay, let me run through that quickly too. The fact that it's pulling configuration from your system instead of a sandbox seems like a strange way to do things though Aug 24 02:45:50 let me see what's up Aug 24 02:45:58 does anyone know how I can fix my /etc/passwd file so that I can access my terminal again? /bin/bash made it so I could not login anymore Aug 24 02:46:21 hi :) Aug 24 02:46:41 oops Warthog is not here ATM Aug 24 02:49:56 Cerealklr, I think it is in a sandbox, but, it's acting like my sandbox doesn't have sdl libs Aug 24 02:50:03 @ironsight, okay i'm running into it it Aug 24 02:50:06 to* Aug 24 02:50:08 yep Aug 24 02:50:43 did the installer Makefile forget to get the pdk libs? Aug 24 02:51:23 hmm Aug 24 02:51:40 the only hits i'm getting on WebOS Internals are for the PDK setup page and the doom sample page Aug 24 02:51:55 which suggests it wouldn't require extra input on our part Aug 24 02:52:02 rwhitby so you wanted logs of when i did ./scripts/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 Aug 24 02:52:09 jackjohn: yep Aug 24 02:52:37 ok im rebuilding it again Aug 24 02:53:40 hrm, I figured it would "just work" once it got done :( Aug 24 02:53:50 I think I may be on to something Aug 24 02:53:55 i'm checking out the older doomtriangle example Aug 24 02:55:04 intriguing Aug 24 02:55:32 the doomtriangle itself won't compile, but i'm not getting SDL issues Aug 24 02:55:38 I think the export LIBS line may be the key Aug 24 02:55:41 lets see Aug 24 02:55:53 Yay for shotgun debugging, eh? Aug 24 02:56:46 wait, that's odd Aug 24 02:56:51 it found sdl-config Aug 24 02:56:55 in /usr/bin/ Aug 24 02:56:59 but it couldn't find sdl itself/ Aug 24 02:57:04 o.O Aug 24 02:58:27 Furthermore, the --with-sdl-prefix in this case is totally pointless Aug 24 02:58:34 if you check out the configure script Aug 24 02:58:39 it uses /usr/local by default anyway Aug 24 02:58:51 yeah I tried ./configure aswell Aug 24 02:59:11 I mean i'm reading through the configure script right now to see what's up Aug 24 02:59:25 I can deifnitely confirm SDL does not exist in my scratchbox installation where it expected it to be Aug 24 02:59:44 but whether the failing was in the installation (which went flawlessly) or an intermediary step, I don't know Aug 24 02:59:52 I'm tempted to go find the libsdl source code Aug 24 02:59:55 and compile it in SB **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 24 02:59:57 2011