**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 26 02:59:57 2011 Aug 26 03:00:37 NOTE 2: Aug 26 03:00:43 DO NOT start with capslock down Aug 26 03:00:47 jesus Aug 26 03:02:27 WTF keeps saying that they are unable to create an account for me:/ Aug 26 03:03:06 what's up? Aug 26 03:03:21 sailerboy: no work on SHR touchpad that I've seen Aug 26 03:03:43 rwhitby, i heard someone said something about one of the devs working on it Aug 26 03:03:50 but i guess he hasn't gone public Aug 26 03:04:43 sailerboy: SHR folks aren't like touchdroid. they have public repos and stuff. Aug 26 03:05:17 what does shr stand for Aug 26 03:05:26 lol Aug 26 03:05:32 stable hybrid release Aug 26 03:06:22 I wonder how the cm guys are doing Aug 26 03:07:52 seemingly-newb question that I can't seem to find an answer to anywhere: how do i enable easy downloading of arbitrary files in the touchpad browser? like "save link as" in chrome, for ex Aug 26 03:09:26 There's a patch for it Aug 26 03:09:29 OMFG they won't let me fucking log into my webos account now Aug 26 03:09:47 i found the patch for downloading mp3/mp4 files instead of streaming them, but that's it Aug 26 03:09:51 Try and create an account and it says that I already have one with that email Aug 26 03:10:01 Try and create one with a diff email, wont work Aug 26 03:10:06 Try and log in, not working Aug 26 03:10:32 PDunny: Are you _sure_? Aug 26 03:10:40 forgot email or password, email not associated with an account Aug 26 03:10:42 I had an issue after creating a metadoctor Aug 26 03:10:46 that would not let me log in Aug 26 03:10:47 rwhitby I'm new to postinstall scripts..any good reads? Aug 26 03:10:57 due to some changes in the makefile I made Aug 26 03:11:01 screwing up my DM tokens Aug 26 03:11:12 pezman726: it's just a shell script which runs as root after install Aug 26 03:11:18 you might check to make sure, if you doctored recently, that the doctor was good. Aug 26 03:11:23 Just going to do what I did last time Aug 26 03:11:28 and if you don't know for sure it was, start over from their Aug 26 03:11:32 tere* Aug 26 03:11:34 there** Aug 26 03:11:40 pezman726: plenty of examples in the git repos for our apps Aug 26 03:12:05 do I just include it in the app? Aug 26 03:12:19 pezman726: our build system includes it Aug 26 03:12:32 pezman726: look in preware/build.git Aug 26 03:12:50 pezman726: or look in the applications/preware.git repo for an example of a Makefile to use for testing Aug 26 03:12:58 Cerealklr, I have a demo unit so I had used th ebypass then manually edited to create my webos account Aug 26 03:13:07 ok. I'm running ubuntu 11 though.. Aug 26 03:13:46 I thought the demos were the standard models? Aug 26 03:14:04 you mentioned 10.10 earlier, 11.04 for me Aug 26 03:14:18 so...does anything special need to be done to get software packages installed? Aug 26 03:14:31 software = OptWare Aug 26 03:16:28 so basically armv7 source compiled in ubuntu with the WIDK and we're good to go? Just install? Aug 26 03:17:15 Cerealklr, they are but accounts were still locked Aug 26 03:17:17 Cerealklr: yep Aug 26 03:17:35 And when I created my account I went the lazy way and instead of redoctoring hacked it to create one and log into it Aug 26 03:17:46 pezman726: autobuilder runs 10.04, for development we use later Aug 26 03:18:17 BrettQ_: ipkg-opt update ; ipkg-opt list ; ipkg-opt install ... Aug 26 03:18:34 ah....ipkg-opt! Aug 26 03:18:36 how long should it take to install preware on my touchpad? Aug 26 03:18:40 ty Aug 26 03:18:44 less than 2 seconds Aug 26 03:18:49 I was just using ipkg Aug 26 03:18:55 it's hanging at "installing" for some reason Aug 26 03:18:58 any ideas? Aug 26 03:19:05 BrettQ_: if you installed something that way, you've screwed your rootfs Aug 26 03:19:06 anyone else seeing speed issues with the HP App Store? Aug 26 03:19:07 already ended task and tried twice Aug 26 03:19:18 nothing installed Aug 26 03:19:22 thankfully Aug 26 03:19:27 dFshadow: are you following http://bit.ly/phd-ac ? Aug 26 03:19:52 rwhitby: if you have a second, would you mind telling me where i can put my comp's public key on the touchpad so i can ssh into it? the wiki seemed overly involved since i already have my comp's publickey and just need it in the authorized keys file on the touchpad right? Aug 26 03:20:44 ParadoxQuine: the OpenSSH wiki page doesn't say? Aug 26 03:20:51 no i'm following the plethora of free-r blog posts on it - http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/got-a-slow-hp-touchpad-here-are-3-easy-ways-to-speed-it-up/ Aug 26 03:21:10 dFshadow: well, good info comes from official sources ... Aug 26 03:21:32 i can't exactly be using the device while installing all this Aug 26 03:21:37 there has to be another source Aug 26 03:21:42 you most certainly can Aug 26 03:21:51 what? i'm in USB drive mode Aug 26 03:21:56 i can't see anything on the screen Aug 26 03:22:00 except the USB icon Aug 26 03:22:02 why are you in USB mode? Aug 26 03:22:05 rwhitby: not that i saw. the ~/.ssh dir doesn't exist for me yet, do i need to run ssh-keygen superfluously to make it? Aug 26 03:22:29 dFshadow: charge only Aug 26 03:22:31 * SineOt gives rwhitby a coffee or two. Is sure he's had to field a lot of… Questions. Aug 26 03:22:41 at no time during installing Preware do you put the device in USB mode Aug 26 03:22:42 that would make sense Aug 26 03:22:57 dFshadow: did you read the wiki? Aug 26 03:22:57 that's also noted in the official info ;) Aug 26 03:22:58 so, dbus just refuses to behave for some reason Aug 26 03:23:17 where is this wiki? Aug 26 03:23:31 nevermind found it Aug 26 03:23:41 thanks, that helps Aug 26 03:24:42 rwhitby: Is there a way to launch a card listening to a different Xserver port, or to change the port the card is currently pointing to? Aug 26 03:25:44 I'm thinking gdm might be running appropriately already, but is outputting to a different port, since the terminal was already occupying 0:0. I can still force open a gnome-session on the current port, but it's buggy as heck Aug 26 03:26:39 rwhitby: I would have linked the app, but I have no idea where the app is :P Aug 26 03:27:07 I thought gnome tried to fire up a second X session, which is why ldxe was being used? Aug 26 03:27:16 LarrySteeze: http://bit.ly/phd-ac Aug 26 03:27:38 Is that what gdm is doing? Aug 26 03:27:53 I mean, I can pressgang a session into the current window Aug 26 03:27:57 it's just not behaving right Aug 26 03:27:59 night all. thanks for the help rwhitby. I'll be back on in about 6 hours..and hopefully shortly after that have a working install of debian 6.0.2 Aug 26 03:28:14 I'll memorize that ... or at least try Aug 26 03:28:19 I have a feeling if I can just figure out what's up with dbus I'll fix 80% of these bugs in one go Aug 26 03:28:30 dFshadow: http://bit.ly/phd-ac Aug 26 03:28:37 hmm...app store not loading Aug 26 03:28:43 Cerealklr: cryptk has a dbus fix, it hasn't been integrated yet due to all these distractions Aug 26 03:28:56 Cerealklr, there is no dbus issue, its a upstart issue Aug 26 03:28:59 well that and the fix isn't a complete fix Aug 26 03:29:07 scoutcamper: I have fixed the upstart issue. Aug 26 03:29:08 it still has several bugs that need to be ironed out Aug 26 03:29:20 and yes, scoutcamper is correct Aug 26 03:29:28 cryptk: ah good, so I don't need to feel bad for being slack about it ;) Aug 26 03:29:29 are you sure? Aug 26 03:29:39 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/ReleaseNotes#Upstart_jobs_cannot_be_run_in_a_chroot Aug 26 03:29:42 all these apps that are meant to be phone apps but i installed on my touchpad, like foursquare and evernote - any way to make them run full screen? evernote is kinda useless this size... Aug 26 03:29:49 I stopped receiving bugs from upstart after implementing that fix Aug 26 03:29:54 and furthermore, upstart works Aug 26 03:30:00 which is proof enough for me Aug 26 03:30:06 Cerealklr, yes, I was saying scoutcamper is correct, it isn't a dbus problem, it is an upstart problem Aug 26 03:30:16 dbus works after that if you know what you are doing Aug 26 03:30:41 Could you please be a little bit more clear? Evidently you have more knowledge of the subject than I do. Aug 26 03:30:52 I've already tried restarting dbus via upstart Aug 26 03:30:55 which apparently works Aug 26 03:31:06 but upon launching gnome-session, something is evidently wrong, as nothing can connect to it. Aug 26 03:31:40 trying ti apply a pre patch to touchpad, anyone know what widget_webview's code got moved into? i'd like to disable auto-reloading of background tabs Aug 26 03:31:42 dfshadow. add uiRevision:2 to app-info.json Aug 26 03:33:00 err. appinfo.json Aug 26 03:33:06 hey, where is root's home? Aug 26 03:33:30 '/home/root/'? Aug 26 03:33:40 I copied something there over usb Aug 26 03:33:44 don't see it Aug 26 03:34:46 usb is /media/internal/ Aug 26 03:34:56 you can't get to /home/root from there Aug 26 03:35:21 oh nice Aug 26 03:35:21 thanks Aug 26 03:36:21 yikes this is starting to get to me Aug 26 03:36:26 one mroe shot and i'll call it a night Aug 26 03:36:31 you can always move it to /home/root if you need to with internalz Aug 26 03:36:39 it's nice to be able to boot into Ubuntu and run most of the programs, anyway Aug 26 03:37:14 on your Touchpad Cerealklr? Aug 26 03:37:54 hm, where are apps installed anyway so i can take a look at the appinfo.json file Aug 26 03:42:28 Sarwllite, yep Aug 26 03:42:33 Satellite: yep* Aug 26 03:42:41 sorry, swapping keyboards will be the death of me Aug 26 03:42:53 I didn't know Ubuntu was installable on Touchpads :o Aug 26 03:43:46 check out ubuntu chroot on the wiki Aug 26 03:43:59 i'm still working on getting the netbook remix GUI going though Aug 26 03:44:03 it's a bit of an, erm, process Aug 26 03:45:02 haha yeah looks kinda dangerous Aug 26 03:45:06 I'll hold off for now :P Aug 26 03:48:26 what is SDL? Aug 26 03:51:20 nm Aug 26 03:53:10 Cerealklr: what WM you run? Aug 26 03:53:46 working with gdm -- that's what netbook remix uses Aug 26 03:54:29 Look Ubuntu, I could care less about the printer applet. I understand dbus is being a nub Aug 26 03:54:39 just start up already Aug 26 03:54:41 lol Aug 26 03:54:45 I just use lxde Aug 26 03:54:48 seems fine for me Aug 26 03:54:55 hey... can one add mouse support to webOS by hacking at node.js, and how is webOS's input system driven? Aug 26 03:55:21 I want it to look like the regular Ubuntu Desktop.. but that ain't gonna happen anytime soon probably Aug 26 03:56:02 it'll happen even more slowly if people settle for LXDE and don't work on it Aug 26 03:56:06 so I won't give up Aug 26 03:56:08 =] Aug 26 03:57:07 I don't know a lot of Ubuntu/Linux commands yet, so I can't be of much help :) Aug 26 04:00:12 so we have to use SDL basically? Aug 26 04:00:18 on webos? Aug 26 04:02:45 gandhijee_: look at creationix's node.js game stuff that he demoed at OSCON Aug 26 04:13:55 rwhitby: is there a place you can point me to so i can see that? Aug 26 04:18:20 sup all? Aug 26 04:18:41 gandhijee_: check his github, and the OSCON sessions Aug 26 04:19:56 hum Aug 26 04:20:28 Ok redoctoring to 100% stock then installing new metadoctor then going to try again Aug 26 04:26:53 killing bootie on hp touchpad, brick or no brick? Aug 26 04:27:20 ummmmm ..... I wouldn't do it Aug 26 04:27:32 Can't exactly pull the battery but could let it die? Aug 26 04:28:57 And not much seems to be going on around here right now. After 96 hours of binging a lot of people are tired lol Aug 26 04:31:31 craptain: brick. no omap-style usb cpuboot that we know of Aug 26 04:31:41 crap Aug 26 04:32:12 craptain: do a http://bit.ly/veer-disassembly, or ka6sox will take it off your hands to salt it Aug 26 04:32:55 huh? Aug 26 04:33:47 is veer the same cpu? Aug 26 04:33:48 http://www.novaports.org/wiki/NookColor_Salting Aug 26 04:33:51 I'm on your touchpad, compiling all your apps. Aug 26 04:33:57 For those still looking for a touchpad: http://goodereader.com/blog/tablet-slates/hp-touchpad-available-at-select-bestbuy-locations-this-saturday/ Aug 26 04:34:16 craptain: no, just giving you options for recovering your money to buy a replacement Aug 26 04:34:44 thanks Aug 26 04:35:21 They should just bump the price up to $150 and $200 respectively, and sell the lot and maybe make some more Aug 26 04:36:07 lol, i don't brick Aug 26 04:36:19 but when i do, i return it Aug 26 04:36:57 lol craptain that doesn't always work ...... Aug 26 04:37:08 I just shot a person down for replacing their bricked evo 3d Aug 26 04:37:27 I unbricked it for them first though so I was being very nice Aug 26 04:38:09 someone should go into Best Buy with a video camera and scream really loud "Someone just ran out with a touchpad!!!" Aug 26 04:38:44 :| Aug 26 04:39:11 Cyclic: I went to Fry's to try to buy one on Saturday, was told they were sold out, and when checking out the guy next to me at the register was buying one. :( Aug 26 04:39:22 SineOt, lol Aug 26 04:39:44 craptain: so you return a device that you have knowingly bricked by your own experimentation gone wrong. Aug 26 04:39:54 i'm sure that i got a pre 2 Aug 26 04:39:57 it'll arrive some time Aug 26 04:40:05 I had 4 of them and bought them the day before because I heard they were running out. When I went back on Sunday to do a pricematch, this guy was stalking me and followed me into the parking lot, jumped out from behind a car, and was trying to get me to sell him one. Aug 26 04:40:30 It was pretty scary Aug 26 04:40:47 I can imagine. At least you didn't get stabbed. Aug 26 04:40:48 Cyclic, tell him to call you when he gets out of jail Aug 26 04:40:54 lol Aug 26 04:41:07 Too bad he wasn't a hot chick Aug 26 04:41:11 lolz Aug 26 04:41:19 when we were at best buy, we had people offering to buy our slips for XX USD Aug 26 04:41:30 "If you give me a touchpad, you can touch my pad" Aug 26 04:41:49 Our Best Buys have heard nothing of this slip business. Has made it really hard to try to get anything lined up. Aug 26 04:42:09 I wish I had bought all 40 of them Aug 26 04:42:17 I could have made 8K like nothing Aug 26 04:42:49 it would have been a 16k investment, but well worth it Aug 26 04:43:09 But I wonder what Best Buy would have done. They were kind of tripp'n about 4 Aug 26 04:49:03 lol Aug 26 04:53:12 anyone have the link to the chips list in the touchpad Aug 26 04:53:47 is there an SSE2 build for armv7? Aug 26 04:53:51 acfrazier: http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/HP-TouchPad-Carries-$318-Bill-of-Materials.aspx this is the most complete that I'm aware of Aug 26 04:53:56 thanks Aug 26 04:55:30 novaports? Aug 26 04:56:08 veer is also msm? is it only the psoc rwhitby mentioned that hard brick it? Aug 26 04:56:20 there's a romloader, the question is what kind of access does it give Aug 26 04:56:31 we dug into the one on 7x30 in #g2root a while ago Aug 26 04:56:38 tmzt: how is it normally accessed? Aug 26 04:56:41 i think i've put it into romloader mode before Aug 26 04:56:45 serial or usb Aug 26 04:56:49 depends on the hardware Aug 26 04:56:55 with a black screen and a live usb port Aug 26 04:57:08 craptain: please lsusb -v -v that for me and pastebin Aug 26 04:57:27 enumeration fails Aug 26 04:57:36 tmzt: the guys at Palm suggested seeing whether anything came up on USB, and for the Veer it did not Aug 26 04:57:38 two low beeps on windows Aug 26 04:57:55 exclamation point in usbview Aug 26 04:58:00 rwhitby: I think your is lower level than wiping the emmc Aug 26 04:58:07 no it may be serial Aug 26 04:58:13 s/no/so Aug 26 04:58:14 it's not even getting out of reset Aug 26 04:58:17 tmzt: A6 chip controls power. that's what did it. Aug 26 04:58:25 right Aug 26 04:58:44 I'm talking about peple that are thinking about replacing bootie with android recovery Aug 26 04:58:48 very bad idea and not needed Aug 26 04:58:57 tmzt: agreed Aug 26 04:59:00 i agree Aug 26 04:59:00 android recovery is kernel+initrd, not a bootlaoder Aug 26 04:59:16 well, an android bootloader instead of bootie Aug 26 04:59:23 porting from pyramid also won't work, has very different chips beside the soc Aug 26 04:59:26 no Aug 26 04:59:28 not needed Aug 26 04:59:37 bootie boots a linux kernel, that's all android needs Aug 26 04:59:46 just second-stage chain-load what you need Aug 26 04:59:48 you don't even really need recovery but can chain to one if you need to Aug 26 05:00:06 tmzt: it's all NIH. they're used to clockwork and can't believe bootie can do what they need. Aug 26 05:00:12 oh, i think i might know why the qcom kernel doesn't boot Aug 26 05:00:43 theres stupid version crap passed to android kernels Aug 26 05:00:54 from the bootloader, and if it's wrong it panics Aug 26 05:01:03 rwhitby: I'm aware, android recovery layout on g1 was one of the reasons it was unusable with later versions of android Aug 26 05:01:22 craptain: those are atags and cmdline options Aug 26 05:01:29 android only uses cmdline to my knowledge Aug 26 05:01:37 I assume bootie can be configued somehow Aug 26 05:01:43 it can, we have a tool to do so Aug 26 05:02:02 http://git.webos-internals.org/tools/bootie-config/ Aug 26 05:02:23 * rwhitby bbl Aug 26 05:02:30 craptain, a stock linux kernel will do the *same* thing if the bootloader doesnt' work right. Aug 26 05:03:10 android uses atags Aug 26 05:03:44 it's panicing really early, before the framebuffer comes up Aug 26 05:05:49 :) Aug 26 05:05:58 got android bootloader running Aug 26 05:06:15 currently in fastboot mode Aug 26 05:21:49 hi after i ahve installes my chroot and than try to load the lxde my keyboard dissapeared Aug 26 05:26:07 Technikfreak, did you install tweaks? Aug 26 05:26:22 no Aug 26 05:26:33 jsut xterm xecutah, chroot Aug 26 05:27:14 but ot was a plan to install the overclocking program later Aug 26 05:28:04 should i reset the tp again? Aug 26 05:29:21 we really shouldn't have to require people to install tweaks. Idk why there is not a sane default :( Aug 26 05:30:11 rrix: there should be a sane default. Aug 26 05:30:52 earlier in here someone told me to add uiRevision:2 to appinfo.json Aug 26 05:31:13 to make apps run fullscreen on the touchpad that were made for the phone (like evernote and foursquare) Aug 26 05:31:24 wouldn't i need to be able to edit those apps for that? Aug 26 05:34:29 actually i'd like to go the other direction... tweaks is a prereq to tweak patches Aug 26 05:36:34 so what about now the problem with the keyboard Aug 26 05:41:13 rwhitby: I'm gonna redoctor tonight and see if I can fix that, because that's kinda ridiculous Aug 26 05:50:56 does anyone know if one of the touchdroid-like teams has a public repo up? Aug 26 05:51:23 now that my touchpad is overclocked and runs reliably i'm ready to break it again so i can fix it. Aug 26 05:51:57 lisurgec: none of those teams seem to have any intent to have public development. they are all racing for a prize. Aug 26 05:52:50 not even xda? Aug 26 05:52:56 seems kinda dickish to me Aug 26 05:53:09 and definitely against the point of android. Aug 26 05:53:46 lisurgec: https://twitter.com/#!/webosinternals/status/106920142323204096 Aug 26 05:53:50 I think that sums it up. Aug 26 05:54:42 *eyeroll* Aug 26 05:54:47 their channel is even muted now. Aug 26 05:55:16 :( i wanna play too. i don't care about the money :( Aug 26 05:56:07 they got a dump from a device which seems to be a production test image, but I'm not sure any of them know what to do with it. Aug 26 05:57:01 If they removed the HP & Qualcomm proprietary bits so that only open source bits remained, I could probably package it as a meta-doctor script in a couple of hours collaborating with someone with a bit of maturity and android knowledge. Aug 26 05:57:30 i'm downloading the dump right now. Aug 26 05:57:46 seems like they need adb still. Aug 26 05:58:19 however, even releasing the dump of such a device has had two teams accusing each other of "hiding" things from the dump, and racing to get it out first with their name on it. Aug 26 05:58:42 jesus. Aug 26 05:58:49 hence the legality of distributing the HP production test programs seems to have been lost ... Aug 26 05:59:55 it would make me happy if hp just released their own version tomorrow Aug 26 06:00:32 question: how long should it take for the "quick install" to download/install preware to a touchpad? Aug 26 06:00:39 well, it's not a user-orientated android image. android seems to simply be used as a platform for running the production test tool Aug 26 06:00:45 2 seconds mac Aug 26 06:00:47 max Aug 26 06:00:58 freeAgent: are you following http://bit.ly/phd-ac ? Aug 26 06:01:00 hah, then this isn't working :) Aug 26 06:01:26 yeah Aug 26 06:01:33 quick install is rather... well quick. Aug 26 06:01:43 followed those instructions, but i'll try it again Aug 26 06:01:59 freeAgent: which step are you up to, and have you rebooted the device since turning on developer mode? Aug 26 06:02:17 maybe i haven't Aug 26 06:02:33 i'm at the part where the quick install says it's installing preware Aug 26 06:02:46 but it's just been sitting here processing with no indication of progress Aug 26 06:02:54 freeAgent: there's a precentral thread on troubleshooting the quick install step Aug 26 06:03:10 you should see a link to that thread in the app Aug 26 06:03:18 alright, thanks Aug 26 06:03:55 rwhitby : did have heared that the keyboard coudl gone in the lxde install processs? Aug 26 06:04:33 Technikfreak: I'm not aware of any lxde install process on our wiki Aug 26 06:04:50 no but it was hapen by me Aug 26 06:05:04 what have you diagnosed? Aug 26 06:05:05 so what coudl you suggest ressende the meta dcotor image? Aug 26 06:05:06 yeah...their kick count has crossed a couple hundred...someone said, progress is inversely related to the number of kicks... :-) Aug 26 06:05:45 Technikfreak: have you rebooted? sometimes the keyboard sticks off. Aug 26 06:07:32 thats what i want to retry today as it was yesterday 1 am in the morngin so than i ahve turned the device off Aug 26 06:08:07 freeagent: have helped many at your point. reboot and you will be good. Aug 26 06:09:56 ok perfectly Aug 26 06:12:22 install worked like a charm this time around, thanks Aug 26 06:13:57 rwhitby: is there a good place for a touchpad image i can poke around in or should i open up web Dr? Aug 26 06:18:17 has the xserver update fixed anything for people re:keyboard mappings in xserver? Aug 26 06:18:40 also, if anyone can **reliably** reproduce any keyboard issues introduced by using/installing/anything lxde Aug 26 06:18:47 please let me know, would like to get on top of that. Aug 26 06:19:26 i'm not sure how thoroughly that's been investigated, or just coincidence. Aug 26 06:19:37 but anyway if it's a bug it should be fixed :D Aug 26 06:32:53 yeah i will report you Aug 26 06:33:08 later if the issue wil be gone when i restart the tp Aug 26 06:33:38 dtzWill: I'm gonna try from a freshly doctored thinger tonight. Aug 26 06:35:45 take optware also the same additonal mounted partition as chroot? Aug 26 06:36:59 hum I am having some interesting issues Aug 26 06:41:05 what's good peeps? lol Aug 26 06:42:37 will be maybe th app whatsup coming? Aug 26 06:43:10 anytime I reboot prepare will just launch the software manager Aug 26 06:43:22 preware Aug 26 06:51:55 autoinstall preware on metadoctor? Aug 26 06:52:10 doco does not advise it, right? Aug 26 06:52:55 right lol maybe PDunny 's prob? Aug 26 06:53:23 Maybe I will Aug 26 06:53:35 create a new one tomorrow too late Aug 26 06:53:41 kimono don't. lol Aug 26 06:53:50 nonono* Aug 26 06:53:59 damn autocorrect Aug 26 06:54:03 lol Aug 26 06:54:25 try to reinstall preware? Aug 26 06:55:53 did a couple time Aug 26 06:56:14 also having other problems just need to do a full wipe Aug 26 07:03:23 anyone know a pkg to zoom with screen gestures in ubuntu? Aug 26 07:04:02 ginn Aug 26 07:04:34 I have no clue how to configure it though Aug 26 07:05:27 #ubuntu-touch has been very helpfil Aug 26 07:08:19 kk Ty man Aug 26 07:27:45 So, I think I've got a mostly working (sans-ssl) shellinabox compiled on my touchpad :D Aug 26 07:28:00 I don't know if that makes me special, but I'm pretty happy about it Aug 26 07:31:28 Now my problem is that I can't remember what deps I needed from optware :| Aug 26 07:39:02 I think I googled it properly Aug 26 07:39:36 http://www.gadgetxplorer.com/2011/08/webos-how-to-remove-ext3fs-partition.html sounds about right? Aug 26 07:39:48 PDunny: you'll need to lvremove the ext3fs volume, and then lvextend the media volume, and then resizefat the media volume Aug 26 07:40:25 Well I honestly want to keep the fs but it keeps saying it is full Aug 26 07:40:42 Anyway to just format it? Aug 26 07:41:02 is the ext3fs full, or is it not mounted and therefore you're filling the root partition instead? Aug 26 07:41:26 * PDunny hums Aug 26 07:42:13 not mounted lmao Aug 26 07:43:03 lol Aug 26 07:47:12 PDunny: how should we improve http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot to make that more obvious? Aug 26 07:47:36 Should probably add an fstab line Aug 26 07:47:41 instead of a mount line Aug 26 07:47:48 (fstab + mount -a) Aug 26 07:48:06 rrix: where? Aug 26 07:48:33 On [[Chrooting]] or [[UbuntuChroot] Aug 26 07:50:02 * rrix gets a password reminder to the wikiz Aug 26 07:54:35 :| :| :| http://i.imgur.com/FY1lG.png Aug 26 07:55:32 :| :| |: :| http://i.imgur.com/76LvL.png Aug 26 07:55:43 will it ever be possible to get linux native? Aug 26 07:56:01 acfrazier: webOS runs on Linux alread Aug 26 07:56:02 y Aug 26 07:56:11 I mean like a regular distro, such as Arch Aug 26 07:56:31 holy crap you're the guy who came up on google when I googled native linux hp touchpad. Aug 26 07:56:58 rwhitby: a la http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=UbuntuChroot&diff=17919&oldid=17917 Aug 26 07:57:43 rrix: ah, you're right. folks taking that fork in the path wouldn't have mounted. Aug 26 07:58:04 (after a reboot) Aug 26 07:58:07 The metadoctor handles fstab properly, right? Aug 26 07:58:12 no Aug 26 07:58:16 wah wah wahhh Aug 26 07:58:23 Hmm Aug 26 07:58:26 it used to, but something seems to have changed in 3.x so it doesn't any more Aug 26 07:58:37 I don't know how to do it with a metadoctored ext3fs Aug 26 07:58:38 we put the right lines in topaz.xml, but they are ignored Aug 26 07:58:47 That's annoying. Aug 26 07:58:51 the metadoctor page already has it there Aug 26 07:59:03 Ok, cool Aug 26 07:59:13 acfrazier: nothing stopping anyone putting Arch on a touchpad Aug 26 07:59:28 acfrazier: it's a 2.6.35 kernel, so should be recent enough for any distro Aug 26 07:59:47 hm.. I might give it a shot then Aug 26 07:59:59 It'd be easiest to set it up in a chroot though, tbh. Someone was working on an Arch chroot image, weren't they? Aug 26 08:00:08 acfrazier: what other embedded devices have you ported to ? Aug 26 08:00:18 rrix: yep, crimsonredmk I think Aug 26 08:00:29 I've only really worked on the iPhone extensively, which is a whole different ballgame so.. Aug 26 08:00:38 Right, that's the one Aug 26 08:00:59 acfrazier: I'd say hook up with crimsonredmk and collaborate on it Aug 26 08:01:55 when you've got something that installs from a verifiably trusted site and works like ubuntu-chroot-natty, we can put it in Preware and add it to Xecutah Aug 26 08:02:32 mk Aug 26 08:02:47 I was still going to shoot for running it natively, but.. ah well Aug 26 08:03:42 Only if dual boot please:P webos is awesome Aug 26 08:16:05 If one does the image mount method for chroot install, does the image need to be on the cryptofs? Aug 26 08:17:02 nope Aug 26 08:17:11 just needs to be mounted as a loopback Aug 26 08:17:19 Is there a good reason for it to be on the cryptofs? Aug 26 08:17:32 cryptofs is only required for normal applications Aug 26 08:36:11 so Aug 26 08:36:22 craptain got touchdroid booting Aug 26 08:36:35 nonfunctional...but it was booting Aug 26 08:37:35 all while allegedly high and watching jersey shore... at least thats what I gathered from the convo in #touchdroid Aug 26 08:39:51 sitting here watching them talk...man I wish I knew more about that type stuff... Aug 26 08:40:06 kinda makes me feel dumb... Aug 26 08:40:14 oh well...one day... Aug 26 09:11:04 is there a way to disable the speech detection for calling people in webOS 2.x? it looks like a button on my Pre- is broken (constantly pressed) and opens up the speech detection 2-3 times a minute Aug 26 09:12:09 eliasp: it might be your headphone jack Aug 26 09:12:50 I'm pretty sure there's a lunaprop you can set to disable it. Don't remember the syntax offhand. Aug 26 09:13:23 ok, if there's a lunaprop to disable it, that's fine... I'll dig for it and try it Aug 26 09:14:00 just need to get over the weekend somehow (Monday should my Pre3 arrive) :) Aug 26 09:21:17 what is a luna prop Aug 26 09:22:24 Technikfreak, it's a setting for luna basically Aug 26 09:22:29 Luna Property Aug 26 09:22:56 is it like optware? Aug 26 09:23:07 no Aug 26 09:23:15 it is like a configuration setting Aug 26 09:23:38 it isn't a piece of software Aug 26 09:28:02 it's also a command: lunaprop Aug 26 10:06:28 mornin' Aug 26 10:35:20 maybe i'll get touchpad and pre3 today Aug 26 10:35:22 anybody around... Aug 26 10:35:39 if ups gets the job done. Aug 26 10:36:02 hopefully they'll come through for you Aug 26 10:37:23 that would make my day Aug 26 10:38:07 ifi could help with testing patches or anything (on the pre3) i would do that Aug 26 10:42:45 Fuu_, patches are super risky until a doctor is published for pre3 Aug 26 10:44:23 * jrabbit mucks with his ipod and mac Aug 26 10:45:24 I think I need to go back to college Aug 26 10:45:39 you think Aug 26 10:46:06 amazing how much you forget when you can rely on .net to compile everything for you!!! Aug 26 10:46:22 yay visual studio! Aug 26 10:46:46 (and NetBeans to some extent) Aug 26 10:53:07 now make files are making sense again! Aug 26 10:54:31 directhex, the real issue is that the patch portal can't accept patches for the Pre3 until we have a doctor Aug 26 10:55:13 because part of what the patch portal does is verifies that the patch will apply to a clean/unmodified rootfs... without a rootfs to test against, it can't do that check Aug 26 10:59:20 the patch portal sounds eminently sensible, then Aug 26 11:09:01 Whitby, you hiding around in here somewhere? Aug 26 11:09:34 or rwhitby, stupid touchpad autocorrect Aug 26 11:28:25 think I figured it out..... Aug 26 11:29:14 testing install. If it works as expected, I'll have a new debian chroot that'll work on pixi Aug 26 11:44:42 nice Aug 26 11:47:43 hmm... Aug 26 11:48:07 its just sitting at starting in preware Aug 26 11:50:25 the touchapd destroyd my life haha tring thins like 2 am in the mornign and in ht epoffic i htink the hwole day what apps i should install Aug 26 11:52:10 haha Aug 26 11:52:25 my touchpad stays in the office Aug 26 11:52:39 technically it isn't mine Aug 26 11:52:58 got the department director to buy 3 of them Aug 26 11:53:02 :-) Aug 26 11:53:46 haha Aug 26 11:53:49 anyone here have the bb stock check link Aug 26 11:53:49 for what Aug 26 11:53:53 seeing if it's worth it to go camp Aug 26 11:53:53 lol Aug 26 11:54:10 and got our prod environment monitor up and functioning on it. He was happy when he saw that! Aug 26 11:54:12 could i install programs like this on opwatware? Aug 26 11:54:21 was monitoring?? Aug 26 11:54:22 server Aug 26 11:54:23 Package pidgin Aug 26 11:54:23 lenny (oldstable) (net): graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X Aug 26 11:54:23 2.4.3-4lenny8: alpha amd64 arm armel hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc Aug 26 11:54:43 with waht tools Aug 26 11:55:04 actually its a custom java app that we wrote Aug 26 11:55:12 ah and that is running? Aug 26 11:55:39 through the Bantu chroot Aug 26 11:55:56 ubuntu* Aug 26 11:56:14 hi guys, I was wondering if anyone knows how far you can wipe the internal memory in a touchpad before webosdoctor wont work? Aug 26 11:56:25 I got it running on my Pixi too! Aug 26 11:57:02 java 6 on a Pixi ftw!!! Aug 26 11:59:19 is it recommend to do overclocking also for using chroot? Aug 26 11:59:24 you talking about removing things...or repartitioning Aug 26 11:59:36 hk135: p13 onwards you can wipe. wipe before that and you permanently brick it Aug 26 12:00:16 I oc just for the heck of it anyway...probably not needed Aug 26 12:00:22 rwhitby: thanks, good to know Aug 26 12:00:26 hey rwhitby!! Aug 26 12:00:43 a guy in #touchdroid has already bricked his cause he didn't think to ask here first Aug 26 12:00:44 rwhitby: trying to get alt linux based os on there Aug 26 12:00:57 hk135: use the meta-doctor Aug 26 12:01:36 but the smart way would be to just chroot it first Aug 26 12:01:47 I have a package that installed my chroot!!!!! Aug 26 12:01:52 rwhitby: nice, thanks. I already got metadoctor setup, will muck about with relacing the os in there Aug 26 12:02:07 hk135: is you need extra features in meta-doctor, let me know Aug 26 12:02:09 yeah i got teh chroot working no probs, jsut wanted to take it a step further Aug 26 12:02:29 hk135: cool - you got kernel drivers sorted for all the peripherals? Aug 26 12:03:08 rwhitby: no in the least, im still in the researching stage for this, hoping to install either ubunut or some bsd Aug 26 12:03:47 rwhitby: mainly looking at methodology so that I can nail down specifics later Aug 26 12:05:40 hk135: i'd recommend keeping bootie as is, and doing a memboot of a uImage with kernel and initramfs to start with Aug 26 12:06:02 then you can test all you want with no risk of danger Aug 26 12:08:10 rwhitby: from what ive been reading that def seems to be the way forward Aug 26 12:08:18 thanks for that Aug 26 12:09:44 rwhitby I have an ipk that was generated with your makefile from ubuntu-natty-chroot. I can upload it to box.net and send you a link Aug 26 12:10:43 pezman726: I never accept binaries Aug 26 12:11:05 pezman726: pastebin the Makefile instead and I'll build it Aug 26 12:11:10 I deleted a line from make where it made the .TVs because I already had it and couldn't figure out what those lines were doing Aug 26 12:11:27 .TVs ? Aug 26 12:11:44 stupid autocorrect Aug 26 12:11:46 .tgz Aug 26 12:12:00 where does your tarball come from? Aug 26 12:12:02 rwhitby, as someone who has no experience with webOS devices.. do you know where I'd have to begin to try and get Arch running natively? Aug 26 12:12:32 I manually made it from the .img I created Aug 26 12:14:29 http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170687176878#ht_570wt_1189 Aug 26 12:14:36 if you want a laugh Aug 26 12:14:54 still not over 100k. I am disappoint Aug 26 12:14:54 I'm guessing there was probably an easier way to do what I did Aug 26 12:15:37 acfrazier: get a kernel to memboot Aug 26 12:17:15 hm.. guessing this would be vastly easier to do on *nix.. time to get cracking I guess Aug 26 12:18:33 acfrazier: actually, I take that back. I'd get your rootfs to run with the stock kernel first Aug 26 12:23:50 rwhitby can I send you a tarball of the directory with modified files and the makefile? Aug 26 12:24:06 ~46mb Aug 26 12:27:35 pezman726: here's the deal - the public need to know the pedigree of the binary they are installing. Aug 26 12:27:50 so it either needs to come from a debian site, or be built from source. Aug 26 12:29:06 I followed the instructions on the wiki to build the how does the makefile get the source Aug 26 12:30:09 in order to mount my new extf3 partition on boot, do I have to use novaterm or can i use the command line under tools in webOS quick insyall Aug 26 12:30:29 build the debian chroot image Aug 26 12:31:30 pezman726 Aug 26 12:31:32 siestacat: you should use whichever method you fully understand Aug 26 12:32:34 rwhitby : so the webOS quick install co,,and line is not logged in at a lesser level of control than novaterm Aug 26 12:33:37 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#How_to_get_the_optional_ext3fs_partition_mounted_at_device_boot Aug 26 12:33:42 that has the instructions on how to do it Aug 26 12:33:59 because they are both single line commands they /should/ work either way Aug 26 12:34:05 but I have never tested it from WOSQI Aug 26 12:34:29 s/both/all/g Aug 26 12:34:47 and I can do it on device from xecutah? Aug 26 12:36:08 if you want to hand type all of it... sure Aug 26 12:36:55 you could novacom run it too Aug 26 12:37:04 at least 5 different ways to achieve it Aug 26 12:37:45 but rwhitby with novacom you could jsut create the image file or? Aug 26 12:37:51 not the real ext3fs Aug 26 12:38:14 Technikfreak, that is different than what we are talking about Aug 26 12:38:24 ah ok Aug 26 12:38:24 you can do everything you need to do that any of those 5 ways too Aug 26 12:38:31 you are talking about creating the partition, we have been talking about setting it up to mount at bootup Aug 26 12:39:01 last qj Aug 26 12:39:02 ah so but how oculd i make the source in the novacom? Aug 26 12:39:04 uestion Aug 26 12:39:19 it works good yesterday until i ahve read carrefully Aug 26 12:39:37 * rrix metadoctors the first of the hackerspace-touchpads Aug 26 12:39:42 how many spaces between the zeros etc are there on the echo command? Aug 26 12:39:54 doesn't matter Aug 26 12:39:58 as long as there are spaces present Aug 26 12:40:06 ok Aug 26 12:40:09 thanks Aug 26 12:40:38 the file /etc/fstab is whitespace delimited... so as long as there is whitespace present, then it doesn't matter how much Aug 26 12:40:40 hopefully my keyboard will come back when i try it after work Aug 26 12:40:55 Technikfreak, your best bet is to do the chrooting according to the instructions Aug 26 12:41:22 i ahve make it but after in try run apt-get install lxde than my keyboard dissapperaed Aug 26 12:41:24 if you are trying to do it a different way... if you don't presently have the knowledge to do it that way... that is a good indication that you should re-think doing it that way Aug 26 12:41:50 and you think that having the chroot running from a loopback mounted file will solve that? Aug 26 12:42:12 no i have created all the things Aug 26 12:42:26 like in the command Aug 26 12:42:38 a 3gb extra prtition ect.. Aug 26 12:42:49 Humm.... :\ Aug 26 12:42:55 I think I just derped this touchpad Aug 26 12:42:56 so what exactly are you trying to do? Aug 26 12:43:10 permission denied Aug 26 12:43:22 siestacat, at what step? Aug 26 12:43:26 when I do /etc/fstab Aug 26 12:44:20 what command was it that gave you that error? Aug 26 12:44:27 /etc/fstab is a file... not a command Aug 26 12:44:33 i need another touchpad :/ Aug 26 12:44:37 hold on Aug 26 12:44:46 should I have done this like... Aug 26 12:45:09 i have to doctor on a proper partition for archlinuxarm Aug 26 12:45:13 i use an image file now Aug 26 12:45:15 echo"blah" >>/etc/fstab Aug 26 12:45:20 there is no "should I have done this like" Aug 26 12:45:26 you do it how the instructions say to Aug 26 12:45:48 does >>mean a line break? Aug 26 12:45:56 no Aug 26 12:45:58 it means >> Aug 26 12:46:03 pipe Aug 26 12:46:06 or literally >> Aug 26 12:46:07 those commands are exactly hwo they should be typed Aug 26 12:46:08 oh Aug 26 12:46:12 crap Aug 26 12:46:15 ok Aug 26 12:46:17 be back Aug 26 12:47:51 Technikfreak, no Aug 26 12:47:54 >> is not pipe Aug 26 12:48:02 hmmm, I tried to replace the bootsplash with a custom targa image and it didn't work :( Aug 26 12:48:06 >> is >> and | (pipe) is a | Aug 26 12:48:09 they do different things Aug 26 12:48:30 one sends stdout to stdin (the pipe), the other appends stdout to a file Aug 26 12:48:31 so command in commandß Aug 26 12:48:44 ah Aug 26 12:48:51 the >> appends the output of the command to the end of a file Aug 26 12:49:03 > replaces the contents of a file with the output of a command Aug 26 12:49:15 | routes the output of one command to the input of another Aug 26 12:49:18 they are all different Aug 26 12:49:44 rrix, what instructions did you follow Aug 26 12:53:52 hello Aug 26 12:54:13 I have really strange problem Aug 26 12:54:56 Im at this hotel in Greece and when I use the wifi here Aug 26 12:55:41 it works for few minutes and than wifi hangs, cant stop/start it Aug 26 12:55:46 ifconfig also hangs Aug 26 12:56:27 also cant restart the phone, have to pull out the battery... Aug 26 12:56:42 rwhitby after looking at rootstock, I don't know if I could use that for debian. However, ubuntu karmic should work for me. Aug 26 12:56:52 has anyone had similar problems Aug 26 12:57:39 phone is pre2 webos 2.1 Aug 26 12:57:39 unlocket Aug 26 12:59:35 looks like driver issue, since ifconfig hangs... Aug 26 13:00:36 ifconfig on where Aug 26 13:00:55 Terminal on the phone Aug 26 13:00:58 the phone? ah Aug 26 13:01:34 I start Terminal, type ifconfig and it hangs ;) Aug 26 13:01:42 I just installed ubuntu chroot from preware Aug 26 13:01:44 cryptk: I didn't follow, I just produced a targa image that file thought was the same type as WebOS-Internals.tga :) Aug 26 13:01:48 after mounting ext3 Aug 26 13:01:49 Terminus I mean Aug 26 13:01:57 and I get an error when I try to run it from executah Aug 26 13:02:13 Service Error (execute) Aug 26 13:02:35 Unable to run command /sbin/initclt start org.webosinternals.ubuntu-natty-chroot 2>&1 Aug 26 13:02:59 remove chroot ;) Aug 26 13:03:10 and hten do what? Aug 26 13:03:34 siestacat: try to reboot, first Aug 26 13:03:49 "initctl : (00717/449638828) Unknown job org.webosinternals.ubuntu-natty-chroot Aug 26 13:03:49 ok Aug 26 13:03:56 rrix: size matters Aug 26 13:04:44 True. I didnt' check the dimensions on this one >.< Aug 26 13:04:48 so, any ideas about the wifi? Aug 26 13:05:08 I'll try again Aug 26 13:05:18 I have the phone for a month, havnt had problems with wifi until now Aug 26 13:06:13 I mean it obviously worked :) Aug 26 13:06:15 Hmm, how can I keep my screen from turning off? Aug 26 13:06:24 Alright, rrix I rebooted and same error Aug 26 13:06:48 dunno what's up Aug 26 13:06:50 try opening /var/palm/data/jailusers Aug 26 13:06:59 from xecutah? Aug 26 13:07:08 and see whats writen there about ubuntu-natty Aug 26 13:07:25 ok Aug 26 13:07:49 of it says game Aug 26 13:07:52 its jailed Aug 26 13:08:01 there is no "jailusers" Aug 26 13:08:27 in /var/palm/data Aug 26 13:08:40 oh Aug 26 13:08:42 hold on Aug 26 13:08:45 im dumb Aug 26 13:09:02 it says something about wirc Aug 26 13:09:05 and nothing else Aug 26 13:09:11 z4ph0d: It's not jailed, webos-internals used another approach Aug 26 13:09:23 so... Aug 26 13:09:46 go to /media/ext3fs/ubuntu-natty-chroot, then chroot to there Aug 26 13:09:47 if its jail_game.conf Aug 26 13:09:56 chroot to there? Aug 26 13:10:11 everything is run as root unless you use the webos user that comes with ht Aug 26 13:10:12 type Aug 26 13:10:16 yay yay Aug 26 13:10:41 well I was guessing Aug 26 13:10:42 ;) Aug 26 13:10:50 wait Aug 26 13:11:09 so, im in ubuntu-natty-chroot Aug 26 13:11:13 from internalz pro Aug 26 13:11:14 siestacat: did yiu create the ext3fs somehow? Aug 26 13:11:19 type Aug 26 13:11:20 yes Aug 26 13:11:25 chroot . Aug 26 13:11:25 I have the ext3fs done Aug 26 13:11:25 ;) Aug 26 13:11:26 how? Aug 26 13:11:33 MetaDoctor Aug 26 13:11:45 then the ext3fs mounting instructions on the meta-doctor page Aug 26 13:12:22 ok, what size is it, do you know ? Aug 26 13:12:40 2gb Aug 26 13:12:53 I just ran chroot from the ubuntu-natty-chroot directory Aug 26 13:13:03 and for the big bonus question, is it mounted???? Aug 26 13:13:11 and it says run PROG with root directory set to NEWROOT Aug 26 13:13:16 Yes Bunny, it's mounted Aug 26 13:13:34 Or atleast I followed the mounting instructions word by word and it didn't spit out any errors Aug 26 13:13:35 then uninstall the chrott and it Aug 26 13:13:40 install it again Aug 26 13:13:50 from preware Aug 26 13:14:08 ok... Aug 26 13:14:11 give me a second Aug 26 13:14:42 will take a few minutes Aug 26 13:14:46 I'll report back after eating Aug 26 13:14:49 be back Aug 26 13:15:14 taking forever to remove.... Aug 26 13:15:34 * NuttyBunny_TP explains for those who want to read: Aug 26 13:15:38 so I guess none know anything about strange wifi hangs? Aug 26 13:16:32 Removing stop: (00699/422697349) Aug 26 13:16:41 Unknown job : org.webosinternals. Aug 26 13:17:58 If you install the chroot without mounting the ext3fs first, you will run out of space on your root partition (not necessarily bad), and preware won't tell you a thing... you must mount first and install later becarse there's a script that uncompresses ev Aug 26 13:17:58 erything needed in /media/ext3fs/ubuntu-natty-chroot  Aug 26 13:18:34 siestacat: has it finished or it just hanged? Aug 26 13:21:02 ok...creating karmic chroot! Aug 26 13:21:59 hardball creation through makefiles. Hopefully this'll work! :-) Aug 26 13:22:11 tarball Aug 26 13:22:46 I think I've added like 20 words this morning to the dictionary on my touchpad Aug 26 13:22:57 you guys really want the fullndistribution with gnome and everything? that just wastes memory, use a small wm... heck  Aug 26 13:23:12 use fluxbox and depend on the command oine!! Aug 26 13:24:05 I tried lxde on my Pixi. That was fun! Aug 26 13:24:33 fun in terms of slowß Aug 26 13:25:03 launching a java6 .jar was a bit slow Aug 26 13:25:21 but it worked! So did chromium Aug 26 13:28:19 so i could run on ubuntu every application that is compiled on arm? Aug 26 13:28:23 like pidgin Aug 26 13:28:43 depends Aug 26 13:29:00 if for some reason it uses randr then no Aug 26 13:29:21 I ran into that earlier. But you're probably good Aug 26 13:30:44 NuttyBunny_TP Aug 26 13:30:45 I did that Aug 26 13:30:48 it uninstalled finally Aug 26 13:31:14 i just reinstalled it Aug 26 13:31:44 I hit start ubuntu 11.04 chroot from xecutah Aug 26 13:31:49 and nothing happens? Aug 26 13:31:55 the button depresses, but nothing opens Aug 26 13:32:18 it shoudl open in xterm Aug 26 13:32:26 I don't see it Aug 26 13:32:35 open the xserver 1st Aug 26 13:32:38 did you no text who said mountin bla bla Aug 26 13:33:10 started xserver Aug 26 13:33:22 there should be open right? Aug 26 13:33:25 i just saw some code in the xserver window Aug 26 13:33:27 but now Aug 26 13:33:29 all I see is the x Aug 26 13:33:32 that moves with my fingef Aug 26 13:33:47 than start xterm Aug 26 13:33:56 i twill open the command line on the xserver Aug 26 13:34:24 and than start ubuntu Aug 26 13:34:27 yes, i have the command line Aug 26 13:34:35 than some text will come Aug 26 13:34:40 nothing happens when I hit start ubuntu Aug 26 13:34:54 no text will come? Aug 26 13:34:55 ok, quick text flash Aug 26 13:34:56 so you all people are doing it the wrong way?? Aug 26 13:35:05 quick text flash Aug 26 13:35:10 NuttyBunny_TP : why wrong? Aug 26 13:35:12 then back to regular command Aug 26 13:35:20 yeah there it is Aug 26 13:35:28 what happens if you run ubuntu chroot from xecutah? Aug 26 13:35:29 now you could add via apt-get install Aug 26 13:35:29 I can't run apt-get Aug 26 13:35:37 it says command not found Aug 26 13:35:45 apt-get update Aug 26 13:36:02 -sh :apt-get not found Aug 26 13:36:16 ubuntu still isn't running right... Aug 26 13:36:32 siestacat: don't use xterm for this, use ubuntu chroot, you should get a window in the xserver with some text Aug 26 13:36:54 ah so it is no need to start xterm?? Aug 26 13:36:59 no, I don't Aug 26 13:37:03 I get a quick flash of text Aug 26 13:37:05 and then Aug 26 13:37:09 what si standing Aug 26 13:37:11 the x marker that follows my finger Aug 26 13:37:13 something with can't find mount? Aug 26 13:37:38 hmm... Aug 26 13:37:46 than maybe the mounting doens't worked correctly Aug 26 13:39:31 i should remount? Aug 26 13:41:01 what message will come? Aug 26 13:41:13 siestacat: you are using novaterm as well, right? type: mount | grep ext3fs Aug 26 13:42:23 NuttyBunny_TP Aug 26 13:42:27 I mounted from xterm Aug 26 13:43:10 alrigh Aug 26 13:43:12 rebooted Aug 26 13:43:15 and did it again Aug 26 13:43:35 I get a blank white box, but when I touch anywhere on the screen I get the dumb x with gray in the background again Aug 26 13:44:47 yeah its ok Aug 26 13:45:00 ? Aug 26 13:45:13 I can't get to the point where I can run commadns Aug 26 13:45:52 but if you start ubuntu there shoudl be coming some texts messages Aug 26 13:48:24 I ge tlike 2 messages Aug 26 13:48:28 then the white screen Aug 26 13:48:32 then the gray with the x Aug 26 13:48:37 so wtf is going on... Aug 26 13:50:19 go to xterm, cd /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.ubuntuwhatever/bin Aug 26 13:50:44 ok Aug 26 13:50:44 there's a script there, try to run it from the command line and see if you get errors Aug 26 13:52:47 NuttyBunny_TP Aug 26 13:52:49 That doesn't exist Aug 26 13:52:54 that directory under applications Aug 26 13:53:20 of course it doesn't Aug 26 13:53:36 ? Aug 26 13:53:43 ubuntu-whatever :P Aug 26 13:53:46 hehehe Aug 26 13:53:47 no Aug 26 13:53:48 I mean Aug 26 13:53:50 the actual one Aug 26 13:53:58 I went in and checked with internals Aug 26 13:53:59 really???? Aug 26 13:54:05 under applications Aug 26 13:54:13 nothing that even starts with org.webosinternals Aug 26 13:54:21 ah Aug 26 13:54:32 you're looking in he wrong place Aug 26 13:54:54 media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications Aug 26 13:54:54  /media/cryptofs Aug 26 13:54:58 that's where I'm lookin Aug 26 13:55:21 lemme check Aug 26 13:56:30 I have lots of org.webosinternals directories Aug 26 13:56:37 me to Aug 26 13:56:41 ubuntu-natty-chroot is one of them Aug 26 13:56:45 yep Aug 26 13:56:55 I don't have one... Aug 26 13:57:03 that's od Aug 26 13:57:05 ah, cd into it, then into bin Aug 26 13:57:33 so Aug 26 13:57:40 cryptofs/apps/user/palm/bin? Aug 26 13:57:47 if you don't have it, reinstall the app, it should be there, there's the script Aug 26 13:57:49 no,no Aug 26 13:58:01 found it Aug 26 13:58:07 ok Aug 26 13:58:17 what script do you want run? Aug 26 13:58:44 anddo this from command line on computer or xecutah Aug 26 13:58:44 ? Aug 26 14:02:39 ... Aug 26 14:03:04 Hi Everyone, I just installed preware last night and installed the F15C kernal. Now when I go back to preware today to try to install other applications, none of them are showing up...anyone know what to do? Aug 26 14:04:06 Guest13635 what feeds are enabled in preware? Aug 26 14:09:02 nuttybunny instructed me to run a script? Aug 26 14:09:34 I ran it, still nothing Aug 26 14:12:52 unpacking....unpacking....unpacking... Aug 26 14:15:40 Hey...am I still in here?.... Aug 26 14:15:48 nope Aug 26 14:15:57 Damn it...gotta reconnect then... Aug 26 14:16:11 :p Aug 26 14:16:16 wait..what Aug 26 14:16:19 haha Aug 26 14:17:42 Hi there, Is here someone who really knows well about webos and stuff, I cannot get my pad back alive via webos doc ... I need some help Aug 26 14:18:08 doctor? Aug 26 14:18:15 protorix: what does your tab does? Aug 26 14:18:34 It stucks in WebOS Doctor... alway in 12% Aug 26 14:18:56 protorix: start webos doctor via commandline Aug 26 14:18:57 I tried different computers, different images ... 12% Aug 26 14:18:58 and see the log Aug 26 14:19:02 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover Aug 26 14:19:04 and look here Aug 26 14:19:07 no, can you tell me how to do that Aug 26 14:19:25 I´´m not a fool, but not the big hackor... Aug 26 14:19:49 just open the jar file via cmd? Aug 26 14:20:06 java -jar foo.jar Aug 26 14:20:59 one moment Aug 26 14:25:21 so in cmd i enter c:\program files (x86)\java\jre6 than i write "java -jar than it says "syntaxfehler" Aug 26 14:25:41 a... one more slash Aug 26 14:25:43 protorix: no < > Aug 26 14:25:48 ah ok Aug 26 14:26:32 ok now it says the order "java" was written wrong or could not be found Aug 26 14:27:25 ok ... forgott to enter "bin" Aug 26 14:27:52 ok works, i´ll now try flashing, than we can see the log Aug 26 14:29:13 12% is usually a token mismatch caused by not removing your manual edits from the Makefile before running a meta-script Aug 26 14:29:23 rwhitby, now using rootstock to grab ubuntu karmic. After it finishes building I'll test then give you the makefile with modded bin control and upstart files Aug 26 14:29:51 pezman726: ok. any reason why karmic instead of natty? Aug 26 14:30:25 should be armv6 compatible natty is only armv7 and won't work on pixi Aug 26 14:30:32 ok, how can I repair that Aug 26 14:31:07 pezman726: gotcha. good plan. Aug 26 14:31:24 protorix: follow the wiki instructions correctly Aug 26 14:32:27 I try to, but it´s not so easy, I want to try that 8% stoping thing... "mkdosfs" but if I write that in novaterm nothing happens Aug 26 14:33:43 rwitby: what does "memboot" the device mean... this is always the point where I don´t know how to do that Aug 26 14:33:43 rwhitby I also went into the main-assistant.js file in xecutah and added it to the array of supported apps, to test locally, but I'll let you handle that one! Aug 26 14:35:59 protorix: there's a wiki page for memboot Aug 26 14:36:35 protorix: when you pastebin the log, it will be obvious what the cause is. Aug 26 14:37:00 I'm sure the wiki page tells folks to run the doctor on the command line, but no-one ever follows it Aug 26 14:37:57 Hi, need help with ubuntu chroot Aug 26 14:39:12 rwhitby: I tried, but now It continues ... Aug 26 14:40:17 rwhitby: you don't need to upgrade to 3.0.2 before doctoring to make the ext3 partition, do you? Aug 26 14:40:25 I run chroot and can't get it to open in xserver Aug 26 14:40:50 NuttyBuny redirected me to some script and that didn't do anythign either. Aug 26 14:42:12 BrettQ: if you're doctoring, then the previous version on the device is irrelevant Aug 26 14:43:17 rwhitby: thanks, working on some documentation and wanted to make sure that was the case Aug 26 14:43:46 BrettQ: hopefully you're improving the existing documentation on the wiki ... Aug 26 14:44:33 you can add that: do NOT add a partition after LVM one Aug 26 14:44:35 :p Aug 26 14:44:38 rwhitby: the update process continued - one time it saied "INFO: ROM Verifyer: Starting Check of ROM - than at 72% I hear the USB plug sound and it writes: INFO: device runner done 26.08.2011 16:38:30 com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.CardController runnerFi nished WARNING: the device seems to have been unplugged, try again Aug 26 14:44:59 so WebOS Doc has now stoped at 72% Aug 26 14:45:09 protorix: try it again. Aug 26 14:45:40 protorix: perhaps with a different USB port on your computer, or a better cable Aug 26 14:45:44 rwhitby: is there something else I can try, I had a brake up at this point for a couple of times Aug 26 14:45:56 ok, or another computer?... Aug 26 14:46:03 I can try my notebook Aug 26 14:46:18 protorix: if you have a repeatable error, let us know. if it's at a different spot each time, try a different computer Aug 26 14:46:27 ok Aug 26 14:46:28 so now my keybaord is oming Aug 26 14:46:31 running goood Aug 26 14:46:36 restart helped Aug 26 14:46:46 I´l try that again and if it brakes I´ll tell you.. takes some minutes Aug 26 14:46:57 just one question after i installed lxde via apt-get how did i start this startlxde doens"t work Aug 26 14:50:12 technikfreak Aug 26 14:50:41 mh i have also updated the new xserver Aug 26 14:50:53 iv i start it with exec startlxde don"t work Aug 26 14:52:14 technikfreak how'd you get ubuntu working? Aug 26 14:52:19 I'm still at square 2 Aug 26 14:52:39 maked my webos dcoctor things Aug 26 14:52:44 run preare Aug 26 14:52:49 add feeds Aug 26 14:52:50 restart Aug 26 14:54:20 So I am trying to get the ubuntu chroot onto my touchpad - i have gone through the process of building the MetaDoctor according to how the wiki says, but the doctor stops and says "We were unable to reset your device" giving "WARNING: flashing failed, move to failed card" Aug 26 14:54:53 rwhitby .tgz file for karmic is nearly 100mb! Aug 26 14:55:09 technikfreak Aug 26 14:55:15 i know my name Aug 26 14:55:16 I think batty clocks in at around 70ish Aug 26 14:55:19 I just can't get it to run from xterm Aug 26 14:55:30 xserver* Aug 26 14:55:36 scorche|sh: pastebin the log from running the doctor on the command line, not double clicking it Aug 26 14:55:53 scorche|sh: BTW, did the wiki page you were following say to run it on the command line at all times? Aug 26 14:55:53 batty = natty Aug 26 14:56:01 damn lxsession was the name Aug 26 14:56:04 ahhh fu..... Aug 26 14:58:43 rwhitby: I tried it with another machine, the same brake up point at 72% I have the log Aug 26 14:58:57 i was following http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/292457-tutorial-how-get-ubuntu-touchpad.html which just said to "run" it - which i did via "java -jar" on the command line anyway Aug 26 14:59:13 the log is quite large - i assume you are looking for this line? "Trenchcoat error: Unable to continue due to bad volume sizes." Aug 26 14:59:29 how can I check to make sure my mounting was done right? Aug 26 15:00:33 rwhitby: is this because i specified too large of a ext3 partition size for my device? - i changed it to 6GB from 2GB in the makefile Aug 26 15:02:03 how could i send a ctrl+c return?? Aug 26 15:02:09 with the touchpad si that working Aug 26 15:03:03 on computer Aug 26 15:03:08 lol Aug 26 15:05:01 and taht is just in the wide of the screen taht is also not changable Aug 26 15:05:14 scorche|sh: did LVM find the store group? Aug 26 15:05:31 if not, just re-run it Aug 26 15:05:54 it sometimes takes up to 5 times for the LVM detection to take. there seems to be a race condition or something in there Aug 26 15:05:55 rwhitby: here is the log file from what i could nab from the terminal window - i didnt output it to a file or anything, so.. Aug 26 15:06:00 http://www.pastie.org/2433898 Aug 26 15:06:29 i ran the doctor twice to make sure there was an issue, should i keep trying until hopefully it works? Aug 26 15:06:34 scorche|sh: line 83 Aug 26 15:06:53 I think you've made an error in the ext3 size definition Aug 26 15:07:05 rwhitby: i was going to do an article that ties the different parts together Aug 26 15:07:09 oh - seriously? Aug 26 15:07:11 * scorche|sh checks Aug 26 15:07:56 mh the keyboard is a little big in ubuntu Aug 26 15:07:56 BrettQ: ok, please be different from all the other articles and actually link back to WebOS Internals as the originators of the tools and techniques, and also note we are a donation-funded organisation. Aug 26 15:08:28 technikfreak: someone didn't read the splash screen Aug 26 15:08:37 where does that stand Aug 26 15:08:50 rwhitby: bah - apparently i made a typo and inserted a space in there Aug 26 15:08:51 hold the keyboard icon in the bottom right, change it to XS, done Aug 26 15:08:52 so much reading i didn"t read so much in the scool like i do for the p ubuntu haha Aug 26 15:08:54 thanks for catching that Aug 26 15:09:15 yeah it is already in xs Aug 26 15:09:36 you using LXDE? Aug 26 15:10:02 rwhitby: the first step is: Read http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Aug 26 15:10:17 rwhitby: the second step is: Read http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor again, this time focus on the parts in bold letters. Aug 26 15:10:35 acfrazier : yes Aug 26 15:10:44 should i use somtehign lese Aug 26 15:10:59 i would be fine doing it on the wiki...just think with the influx of inexperienced linux/chroot folks here, it might be nice to have a step-by-step Aug 26 15:13:50 rwhitby if I add the extra mirror switch will it add that to the sources.list? Aug 26 15:15:13 technikfreak there is nothing else Aug 26 15:15:26 pezman726: dunno Aug 26 15:15:41 well, it won't hurt to try! Aug 26 15:15:46 BrettQ: I expect your article will be a good one if it starts like that ;) Aug 26 15:15:48 mh Aug 26 15:15:52 the install worked Aug 26 15:16:06 I'm launching karmic from xecutah Aug 26 15:16:12 rboatright : so you have the whole time the keyboardid Aug 26 15:16:13 BrettQ its an article we really need. Aug 26 15:16:35 technikfreak Sorry, that didn't parse in english. Try again. Aug 26 15:16:37 but apt is missing lots of things Aug 26 15:18:27 so regarding the keybaord problem is that correct that i have open the keyboard the whole time in ubuntu Aug 26 15:19:33 rwhitby: The setup broke at 72%, the device bootet and works (even the setup broke), but for example I cannot open a PDF file with acrobat - is this because the apps are installed after 72% Aug 26 15:19:51 technikfreak yes Aug 26 15:20:56 ok Aug 26 15:20:59 protorix: pastebin please Aug 26 15:22:00 rwhitby: how much of the log should i paste... here are the last lines: INFO: device runner done 26.08.2011 16:38:30 com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.CardController runnerFi nished WARNING: the device seems to have been unplugged, try again Aug 26 15:26:35 which package could i use for vnc viewer does anyone know it Aug 26 15:26:52 protorix: pastebin.com everything Aug 26 15:28:45 rwhitby: http://pastebin.com/UDcup1TM Aug 26 15:30:38 protorix: that's a weird one. exactly which script are you running? Aug 26 15:31:14 I copied that out of the normal cmd window Aug 26 15:31:49 the last pages, because not everything is shown after a long process using just cmd Aug 26 15:32:53 And. I can boot the device, it´s next to me running, but some things like acrobat do not work... hmm Aug 26 15:33:10 Good god, the slickdeals thread has had a total of 7000 pages for the HP Touchpad page Aug 26 15:34:04 10 million views, 37k replies Aug 26 15:35:18 They deleted a good amount of the replies Aug 26 15:35:27 Every 2k pages they trim the thread Aug 26 15:39:00 hmm, seems their total could be inaccurate, adding up the archive threads it's over 130k posts Aug 26 15:41:09 Hi, i'm trying to get webos doctor set up as part of an install for Ubuntu. I have both the meta-doctor stuff, the novacom drivers, and the most current webosdoctor .jar file. When I try to run make DEVICE=touchpad CARRIER=wifi all, i'm told that I don't have the correct version of the WebOS Doctor .jar file. Aug 26 15:41:28 Where am I going wrong? Aug 26 15:41:54 Loki_: it asks for a specific name, just make sure the version matches and rename it to that file, i think you just add a -3.0.2 at the end from memory Aug 26 15:42:45 Heh, yeah, you're right - I just did an idiot check, the .jar filename was wrong :D Aug 26 15:43:03 Seems to be runninga long nicely now Aug 26 15:44:18 Ah, my next hurdle :D Aug 26 15:45:01 I'm followin the install tutorial at www.infogenra.com/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-on-your-hp-touchpad.html , step three wants me to create the ext3fs folder. Is this created on the touchpad itself? Aug 26 15:47:59 before the meta-doctor build you edit the makefile to enable it's creation Aug 26 15:49:22 if you've already run the resulting webosdoctor and the ext3fs folder isn't there then create it Aug 26 15:49:28 siestacat, did it work? Aug 26 15:49:28 grmbl Aug 26 15:50:14 Loki_: had you read the Meta-Doctor wiki page at all? Aug 26 15:50:57 si xtightvnc is running but slowly Aug 26 15:51:06 is it nromal? Aug 26 15:51:10 NuttyBunny : yes Aug 26 15:51:18 I remounted from my computer, and everything is working! Aug 26 15:51:21 :D Aug 26 15:51:30 so, now what should I use for a gui? Aug 26 15:51:35 rwhitby: can the brake up at 72% have something to do with a "corrupted USB drive", as shown in the wiki Aug 26 15:51:35 I have lxde installed at the moment Aug 26 15:52:10 siestacat: fluxbox is completely lightweight, but you have to control everything from the command line, lxde is really nice, but uses a bit more memory Aug 26 15:52:35 whats a good balance, easy and nice? Aug 26 15:52:58 siestacat : if you ahve running vnc good please tell me Aug 26 15:53:08 fluxbox has a right click menu :/ Aug 26 15:53:10 because xtightviewer is so lsow Aug 26 15:53:18 but no right clicking on a tablet Aug 26 15:53:34 lol Aug 26 15:53:46 system halt will stop the whole tp Aug 26 15:53:49 perhaps if you could... edit the menu button in a fluxbox confg Aug 26 15:54:12 to left click the desktop Aug 26 15:54:36 siestacat: I think lxde is nice and easy Aug 26 15:54:53 lxde is pretty fast Aug 26 15:55:24 yup, the only issue is that you lose the keyboard in the installation ;) Aug 26 15:55:46 NuttyBunny: has anyone worked out why that is yet? Aug 26 15:55:55 I lose the keyboard doing other things too Aug 26 15:56:30 rwhitby: I only lost it once, when I installed lxde, PatrickC lost it when installing xfce4 Aug 26 15:56:35 yeah, I lost the keyboard Aug 26 15:56:39 a reboot fixed it Aug 26 15:56:40 odd Aug 26 15:57:00 and do I have to run the exec startlxde everytime Aug 26 15:57:08 or is there a way to have it auto boot into lxde Aug 26 15:57:09 maybe stupid question..... Aug 26 15:57:18 I think it's restarting something on the installation Aug 26 15:57:31 Hah! Aug 26 15:57:34 Using gimp Aug 26 15:57:39 NuttyBunny: so it's likely nothing to do with what you install, but more likely a memory capacity or some other effect Aug 26 15:57:39 sexyness Aug 26 15:57:42 siestacat: I assume it will be done when this leaves the testing feed. In the meantime, you have to start it everytime Aug 26 15:58:16 what could happen if I add a source to the sources.list that isn't the same distro i.e. Add natty to a karmic distro? Aug 26 15:58:21 Ok Aug 26 15:58:22 according to someone in #flubox you can bind a key to call the fluxbox menu up :) Aug 26 15:58:30 fluxbox* Aug 26 15:58:34 NuttyBunny : How about moving a window that's off the screen on to the screen? Aug 26 15:58:58 The top of the box for resizing is too far off the screen Aug 26 15:59:00 rwhitby: Could be... I'll back it up and install it again, to see if it happens again, and try to see if it's a package or something :) Aug 26 15:59:02 rwhitby: just noticed the MetaDoctor page is pointing to an older version of Palm Novacom Aug 26 15:59:02 and can I hide the keyboard? Aug 26 15:59:07 Its annoying Aug 26 15:59:08 on purpose or just needs to be updated? Aug 26 15:59:18 siestacat: grab the window from the side and move it, resize it from the corners Aug 26 15:59:18 hi Aug 26 15:59:53 NuttyBunny : can't Aug 26 15:59:57 I have a question about a preware app? Do you think you could help? Aug 26 15:59:58 all the corners are off the screen Aug 26 16:00:16 ~ask Aug 26 16:00:16 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Aug 26 16:00:26 and... can I run a terminal without the thing quitting Aug 26 16:00:38 It was written by Zachary Burke called Touch player when I tried to install it it just sat there downloaded and did nothing for hours Aug 26 16:00:43 so I killed it Aug 26 16:00:57 Now Im worried that the package is still in my stystem Aug 26 16:01:03 siestacat: AFTER you run fluxbox or lxde, the borders get inside the screen Aug 26 16:01:08 taking ups space Aug 26 16:01:11 Tony_: yep, it's broken. complain to the author. there should be a contact address in the package details scene, or in his PreCentral thread Aug 26 16:01:26 kk can i uninstall anything it installed Aug 26 16:01:39 siestacat: and, install rxvt, it runs nicely, doesn't crash the window managers, and unlike xterm, has a working scrollbar :D Aug 26 16:01:46 Tony_: did you look in the Preware Installed Packages list? Aug 26 16:01:52 rxvt? Aug 26 16:01:56 what's that Aug 26 16:02:15 another terminal program Aug 26 16:02:21 yes its not there Aug 26 16:02:28 Tony_: There was an update for TouchPlayer this morning...perhaps that fixed the install issue Aug 26 16:02:32 Tony_: then it's not installed Aug 26 16:02:36 ah, good Aug 26 16:02:42 siestacat, from the ubuntu chroot prompt: apt-get install rxvt Aug 26 16:02:51 Yes, I installed GIMP that way. Aug 26 16:02:59 But I can't resize the tools to fit right. Aug 26 16:03:03 Can I hide the keyboard? Aug 26 16:03:56 someone else who didn't read the splash screen Aug 26 16:04:06 sometimes I wonder why I even put information there Aug 26 16:04:12 kk thankyou very much. Okay now for another question does anyone know if the ubuntu card system allows pan networking, or connecting via a adhoc because my phone tethering is only adhoc or pan. Finnally has anyone gotten stuff like the qt sdk working on the ubuntu system. I think it would be nice to not have to carry my laptop to develop. Aug 26 16:05:02 What is really sad is I develop for embedded linux devices but I know so very little about linux its scary. Aug 26 16:06:05 siestacat: you can't, and if you could, the xserver doesn't resize automatically atm Aug 26 16:07:03 siestacat : no Aug 26 16:07:23 did someone find a good and fast vnc viewer out> Aug 26 16:07:53 i don"t want my hd pixel sending to it 256 colors is good enough Aug 26 16:08:11 NuttyBunny: you use tweaks to hide the keyboard Aug 26 16:08:26 hi guys, does anyone know how i can get fdisk on my touchpad? Aug 26 16:09:55 kk well keep up the good work. I downloaded the pre sdk and apk but i have never written an application that wasnt QT, .net,or ansi c embedded so hopfully I will come up with a good Idea and learn how to implement it. I really like webos its very friendly. I kinda wish hp would olpen source the built in apps like the messenger, email and calendar app because I would like to see msn support, and better exchange support. I cant Aug 26 16:11:35 rwhitby: yep, but then you have to use a virtual keyboard inside :) I mean there's no way to hide it and show it on demand Aug 26 16:12:33 NuttyBunny: or a bluetooth keyboard Aug 26 16:13:12 rwhitby: but using the bt keyboard still borks the esc key, doesn't it? Aug 26 16:13:12 next stupid question im sure is I read a thread where they were working on getting truecrypt to work on the touchpad does anyone have a status on this? Because I use truecrypt for my files on dropbox so I would love to be able to open my docs from drop box that are in a truecrypt container Aug 26 16:13:24 install java on chroot? Aug 26 16:13:25 rwhitby : which are the name of the tweak? Aug 26 16:13:35 apt-get install sun-java-jre Aug 26 16:13:38 doesn't work Aug 26 16:13:44 java6 maybe Aug 26 16:14:05 siestacat: it won't work, use openjdk and live with that Aug 26 16:14:46 Tony_: I'm the developer on that. Aug 26 16:14:53 awesome Aug 26 16:15:05 put it in the appstore and I would pay for it Aug 26 16:15:18 I store all my personal files in a truecrypt container Aug 26 16:15:19 Tony_: I have a manually built binary. You need UberKernel for the kernel modules, so it's not going in the app store any time soon. Aug 26 16:15:29 Tony_: The name is "app catalog" :) Aug 26 16:15:50 lol sorry dont want itards to think I am using their trademarked name Aug 26 16:16:07 I ill of course call it app catalog :P from now on Aug 26 16:16:20 :) Aug 26 16:16:30 so rwhitby how does it work Aug 26 16:16:36 I have to install the kernel from preware Aug 26 16:16:41 yep Aug 26 16:17:00 will it show up then and can it access my dropbox? Aug 26 16:17:07 NuttyBunny : Why not? and what's openjdk? Aug 26 16:17:21 NuttyBunny : looking to program from my touchpad through eclipse Aug 26 16:17:44 opened is the not sun(oracle) version of java Aug 26 16:17:47 siestacat: Sun won't build Java for ARM processors, so openjdk is the best you can get.. Aug 26 16:17:52 openjdk! Aug 26 16:17:56 siestacat, with natty java6 was moved to parter repos, openjdk works on natty Aug 26 16:18:01 Tony_: it's a command line truecrypt 7.0a executable Aug 26 16:18:19 ok Aug 26 16:18:27 no chromium for karmic :'( Aug 26 16:18:35 scoutcamper, still, those are for x86 Aug 26 16:18:38 kk I wonder how hard it would be do develop a html user interface Aug 26 16:18:45 I can do command line though Aug 26 16:18:53 since it will just be mounting a file Aug 26 16:18:56 installing Firefox. That'll work great on the Pixi :-P Aug 26 16:18:58 can someone tell me where i get a "pdf reader ipk" ... i really need that and the stock one seems to be damaged :-/ Aug 26 16:19:01 so, uh, what's openjdk's repository Aug 26 16:19:02 after that will it show up in file manager Aug 26 16:19:04 NuttyBunny, but if you add the partner repos the x86 does work Aug 26 16:19:16 and where's the repository file in ubuntu chroot's direcotyr? Aug 26 16:19:23 Okay im restarting after installing the kernel Aug 26 16:19:24 scoutcamper, I hardly believe that Aug 26 16:19:59 NuttyBunny, its on my touchpad, wich of course is on my desk at home not here at school for me to check Aug 26 16:20:09 ok Aug 26 16:20:11 so does dropbox show up in the file system. cause then I could just mount the file directly from the command line or would I have to download the file first. I know noob questions Aug 26 16:20:20 thanks Aug 26 16:20:55 I didnt even look to see if I had a terminal installed does webos or preware preinstall a bash terminal Aug 26 16:22:49 hum Aug 26 16:23:22 Tony_, You can have a terminal in your device Aug 26 16:23:36 what is the name of the bash terminal? Aug 26 16:23:49 bash ? Aug 26 16:23:52 does samba work?? Aug 26 16:23:53 LOL Aug 26 16:24:11 Tony_: Xecutah in the testing feed Aug 26 16:24:13 ~testing-feeds Aug 26 16:24:14 testing-feeds is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Aug 26 16:24:17 I guess any linux style terminal would work Aug 26 16:24:20 kk Aug 26 16:25:03 Tony_: /msg me an email address for the executable. I don't have an automated build for it yet, so if you're going to ping me on the GPL please don't request the binary. Aug 26 16:27:14 Anyone wanna help with creating a bypass PIN patch for 3.0? Aug 26 16:27:27 how do i msg using irc i Havent used it in years and anymore I just use it built into the browser Aug 26 16:27:41 /msg user message Aug 26 16:28:24 openjdk's deb repository? Aug 26 16:28:45 siestacat: is on your ubuntu chroot Aug 26 16:28:49 (it) Aug 26 16:29:47 NuttyBunny : I can't do an apt-get of it Aug 26 16:30:07 I did sudo leafpad /etc/apt/sources.list Aug 26 16:30:28 so I have an editable source list open. Aug 26 16:30:41 siestacat, apt-get install openjdk-6-jre Aug 26 16:34:01 ah, I was trying to install 7 nuttybunny Aug 26 16:34:37 is it possible to reinstall pdf reader, does anyone of you have an ipk ...or the files from the pad Aug 26 16:35:09 why you people keep deleting the pdf reader??! Aug 26 16:35:34 so how do you get to the command line on a web os device? Aug 26 16:35:49 i did not delete it, it never really installed, as my webos doc brakes at 72% Aug 26 16:35:54 get a usb cable, and use novaterm Aug 26 16:35:57 it's the first way Aug 26 16:36:51 so if i wanted to run a command line app it wouldnt be ./truecrypt into a sh or bash terminal I would have to tether to a computer? Aug 26 16:37:14 I didn't say it's the only way Aug 26 16:37:34 you can install xecutah+xserver+xterm and play there Aug 26 16:38:27 kk so the xecutah is a n x windows system then I can run xserver and xterm but there is no way to run it natively. thanks Aug 26 16:39:18 I installed xecutah and clicked start xserver and xterm and there is my sudo # Aug 26 16:39:18 does anyone know an icq client for webos or ubuntu Aug 26 16:39:54 AIM is ICQ Aug 26 16:39:57 isnt it now? Aug 26 16:40:34 I use pidgin on ubuntu Aug 26 16:40:44 does pdgin run well? Aug 26 16:40:50 I have no idea Aug 26 16:40:57 ah not on you tp ubuntu Aug 26 16:41:20 I havent even installed it on webos or any kind of ubuntu. I am just telling you what I use on ubuntu. You can see if you can get it to build Aug 26 16:42:43 hum Aug 26 16:42:49 so does dropbox get mounted in the file system natively? Aug 26 16:45:32 ok. I got the karmic package working....but I'm scrapping it Aug 26 16:45:35 so, does the Ubuntu chroot use the swap partition? good idea to enable this and any good size recomendations? Aug 26 16:46:24 going to try and script creating a debian chroot in the makefile Aug 26 16:46:46 pezman726: qole (@qole on Twitter) is working on this Aug 26 16:46:56 he did the Debian chroot for Maemo on the N900 Aug 26 16:47:06 may be worth touching base with him Aug 26 16:47:07 cool Aug 26 16:47:28 I got it working, but not the 'proper' way Aug 26 16:47:43 well Debian has the larger ARM library of apps Aug 26 16:47:55 so it's really what i would like to see Aug 26 16:48:20 that and being able to modify the built in VKB Aug 26 16:48:21 I guess the question Im asking is since dropbox synchs with some sort of local storage that is plugged into file managers like exploerer,nautilus,android, is it mounted somewhere in the webos file system Aug 26 16:48:23 i.e. I created a tarball and included that in the package instead of having the makefiles get it straight from source Aug 26 16:49:01 heh, that's the way we always did things for Maemo Aug 26 16:49:36 but i get why rwhitby is insisting that the process be transparent Aug 26 16:51:43 so, the chrooting wiki article doesn't mention a swap parition, so is that needed? Aug 26 16:52:07 my current setup has a 1GB swap Aug 26 16:57:12 see u guys! Aug 26 17:03:32 any way to run bootstrap not as root? Aug 26 17:03:42 debootstrap Aug 26 17:11:18 can I install virtualbox on ubuntu chroot ? Aug 26 17:12:04 and if so, repository? Aug 26 17:12:49 siestacat: virtualbox is a hypervisor designed to run x86 on x86 rather than the kind of emulator you're thinking, won't ever run on ARM like touchpad Aug 26 17:14:54 does anyone know a streaming client or tp/ubuntu Aug 26 17:15:46 how can i switch off a touchpad Aug 26 17:19:06 protorix: hold the power button Aug 26 17:19:16 wait for the popup, then select shut down Aug 26 17:19:25 ahh, thanks Aug 26 17:19:46 destinal : how about eclipse? Aug 26 17:21:54 I was wondering if I could get some help? Aug 26 17:22:14 http://www8.hp.com/uk/en/products/tablets/product-detail.html?oid=5107123 Aug 26 17:23:06 I'm trying to remove touchplayer and it is just sitting there on the removing screen with that spinning circle. Aug 26 17:23:20 siestacat: eclipse is working, it crashes on first boot, then it works Aug 26 17:23:37 BrettQ : apt-get command? Aug 26 17:23:50 is there a way to force remove something? Aug 26 17:23:55 siestacat: apt-get install eclipse Aug 26 17:24:06 siestacat: apt-get --help | more Aug 26 17:24:26 greg: good question, i tried to install that the other day and it got stuck Aug 26 17:24:35 maybe an issue with the entry in the feed Aug 26 17:25:03 rwhitby: Touchplayer has been very buggy (not installing) from Preware Aug 26 17:26:44 bbl Aug 26 17:26:56 BrettQ: ah ok, I'll leave it going for a bit and see what happens! Just got a discounted touchpad! Aug 26 17:32:48 BrettQ|Away: http://cdn.precentral.net/resources/applications/000/016/194/com.wordpress.mobilecoder.touchplayer_1.0.2_all.ipk Aug 26 17:32:51 download that Aug 26 17:32:53 and install it with preware Aug 26 17:33:07 (url pulled from http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral/Packages) Aug 26 17:35:44 siestacat: yeah you should be able to install eclipse I expect Aug 26 17:37:21 hopefully in about 10 minutes I'll have a debian chroot package Aug 26 17:37:38 if this works... Aug 26 17:43:22 Is anyone having issues with the testing feed? Aug 26 17:43:47 for the TP Aug 26 17:46:58 issues like how Aug 26 17:47:39 Hang on...just locked up my TP...haha Aug 26 17:51:27 you guys know what issues would cause a touchscreen not to work on a TouchPad? I have checked tokens… couldn't really see anything there. I used doctor last night and after it finished my touchscreen wouldn't work Aug 26 17:51:48 tried both 3.0 and 3.0.2 Aug 26 17:53:00 where i could find all the feeds for the tp Aug 26 17:53:27 Damn it, my TP doesn't like 1.9ghz.... Aug 26 17:53:32 Booo!...I want a refund. Aug 26 17:55:54 dwc-: something abotu unable to run command /usr/bin/ipkg -o /media/crypofs/apps update 2>&1 Aug 26 17:56:02 about* Aug 26 18:01:43 the 3.0.3 kernel is fancy new right>> Aug 26 18:02:24 you mean linux kernel? Not the kernel used in webOS 3.0.3 (which doesn't exist, afaik) Aug 26 18:02:49 ah Aug 26 18:03:00 becuase there it is the newest on 26.august Aug 26 18:05:18 Anyone know about that error? Aug 26 18:07:21 which error Aug 26 18:08:17 haha wuake on he tp Aug 26 18:10:08 technikfreak: "unable to run command /usr/bin/ipkg -o /media/crypofs/apps update 2>&1" Aug 26 18:14:20 who uses ZNC in here? Aug 26 18:15:13 Puffy_wirc, me Aug 26 18:15:19 and no, i can't figure out znc with wirc Aug 26 18:15:19 can someone help me with memboot - when i type this: cd \program files\palm\sdk\bin novacom boot mem:// < uImage-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 nothing happens... cmd just springs into the next line (if device not connected it tells me so, if connected it springs in next line) Aug 26 18:15:33 is there a way to set unlimited buffer backlog? Aug 26 18:15:34 the best you can do is just to add all the channels you have in znc Aug 26 18:15:48 Puffy_wirc, no, because that would crash znc Aug 26 18:15:56 you can set it to a very high number Aug 26 18:16:02 #znc would be a better channel Aug 26 18:16:19 im not joining efnet Aug 26 18:16:27 sailerboy: bip can do unlimited buffer Aug 26 18:16:51 you cant even set it to a high value Aug 26 18:16:55 there is a really low max Aug 26 18:17:21 this sucks Aug 26 18:17:26 protorix: novacom boot mem doesn't really do much on the screen IIRC Aug 26 18:17:46 is there a alternative to hpplay? Aug 26 18:18:04 protorix: but you need to be in recovery mode on the device (at the USB logo) Aug 26 18:20:37 sailerboy: btw, i have no problems using znc with bip Aug 26 18:20:42 with wirc i mean Aug 26 18:22:14 destinal: I am in USB mode, but shouldn´t open a window with which i can connect to the tab and repair the perhaps "corrupted flash". I see a lot of failure while flashing Aug 26 18:22:52 peace Aug 26 18:30:42 hello Aug 26 18:31:33 it's possible to turn a gsm pre2 into a sprint pre2, yes? Aug 26 18:31:46 there's nothing about the gsm board that's different? Aug 26 18:32:29 yes Aug 26 18:32:35 besides it being gsm Aug 26 18:34:20 ok, just verifying Aug 26 18:34:29 before I buy one on ebay Aug 26 18:35:58 …are you serious? Aug 26 18:36:17 any pre2 can be converted to sprint Aug 26 18:36:30 you're replacing the whole com board Aug 26 18:36:37 damageless: what? Aug 26 18:36:48 LarrySteeze: right, just wanted to make sure Aug 26 18:36:57 just helping you make sure :-) Aug 26 18:37:17 much appreciated Aug 26 18:38:29 woot Aug 26 18:38:37 debian chroot package made Aug 26 18:38:44 installing now Aug 26 18:39:04 n1 pezman726 Aug 26 18:39:08 hi there Aug 26 18:39:22 how can one get access to linphone alpha ? Aug 26 18:42:58 is it not possible to watch a videostream? Aug 26 18:43:02 crazy_b, i think you can compile it Aug 26 18:47:52 summatusmentis: you should be able to use a VZW pre2 also, if that turns out to be cheaper Aug 26 18:49:16 BrettQ it is extracting properly... Another minute and I'll run it!! Aug 26 18:50:47 also...sloppy Joes are awesome!!! Aug 26 18:52:06 and.....it worked!!!! Aug 26 18:53:20 Hey all! Aug 26 18:53:29 Pdunny: ping? Aug 26 18:54:06 Has anyone else been playing with getting Ubuntu netbook remix or ubuntu desktop going on top of their ubuntu chroot? Aug 26 18:54:19 i've some modest success, but my current big issue is keymapping Aug 26 18:55:07 it's really hard to work on stuff once I get the graphical interface up because, for example, the 'd' key, when lowercase, inexplically sends the show desktop command Aug 26 18:57:21 hey Aug 26 18:57:28 hullo Aug 26 18:57:56 anyone have a synergy server running on a mac connecting to ubuntu using chroot? Aug 26 18:58:08 I keep getting a set fault Aug 26 18:58:11 seg Aug 26 18:59:01 This is looking promising, but I need to figure out how to get keycodes Aug 26 18:59:03 http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man1/xmodmap.1.html Aug 26 18:59:05 jjpickle: you asked me to get ahold of you, Aug 26 18:59:26 If I can find out what dev the keyboard is mapped to, I ought to be able to figure out keycodes by mashing buttons Aug 26 18:59:35 anyone? Aug 26 18:59:47 any of you have synergy working? Aug 26 18:59:53 synergy-foss that is Aug 26 19:00:03 cyclic: Sorry, not sure what it is Aug 26 19:03:39 AHA! Aug 26 19:03:47 Wow, that was wayyyy too simple to have worked, and yet it did! Aug 26 19:03:55 http://www.flashwonderland.com/keyboard-control/keyboard-3.html Aug 26 19:03:58 Fired that up on my tp Aug 26 19:04:01 and started hitting keys Aug 26 19:04:19 if it's to be believed, ctrl is 4294967295 Aug 26 19:04:24 Lets see if this works... Aug 26 19:08:17 BrettQ it works! I sent the makefile and other files to rwhitby hopefully they'll be in preware soon! Aug 26 19:08:48 and with that, I'm out for the day! Aug 26 19:08:54 later all Aug 26 19:10:10 hey guys, can anyone help me out a little finding and altering the browser's useragent? Aug 26 19:11:41 Well, in retrospect I guess that was a bit obvious. Aug 26 19:12:05 I already told you which file it was Aug 26 19:13:14 if that's not enough information, make sure you have a webosdoctor handy before you start editing it Aug 26 19:15:32 i need to figure out webosdoctor too then? I'm currently just trying to get the file off the device...figured I could edit and replace Aug 26 19:16:03 Okay, thanks to xev I have keycodes for the arrow keys at least Aug 26 19:16:49 keycodes for the arrow keys on the BT KB are showing up to XEV as 18-21 Aug 26 19:19:09 Cerealklr: great, ty. what order are those? {18,19,20,21} == ? Aug 26 19:19:20 i really should just pair my bt keyboard with my tp and sort those out, >_> :) Aug 26 19:19:29 Hang on, i'll get you it Aug 26 19:19:46 L: 18 Aug 26 19:19:57 U: 19 Aug 26 19:20:02 etc Aug 26 19:20:06 so clockwise from L Aug 26 19:20:39 no results from the Ctrl key, unfortunately Aug 26 19:23:50 geist: hey, do you happen to know if there's an equivalent to the way OMAP3 can boot off of USB, for these qualcomm chips? would be nice to know whether it's possible to recover if flash is corrupted on these things (short of ripping it apart and finding JTAG pins) Aug 26 19:25:38 Cerealklr: yeah hope is that SDL sets the control modifier and i can pass that through.. Aug 26 19:26:58 you guys done with muting? Aug 26 19:27:01 this weekend hopefully i'll sit down and hash that out Aug 26 19:27:12 i have adb into webOS, lol Aug 26 19:27:42 er wrong channel Aug 26 19:28:50 dtzWill: Oh? so it's not getting passed through at all yet? Aug 26 19:28:54 that makes sense Aug 26 19:30:14 Cerealklr: no--only printable characters are passed through, the rest are special-cased Aug 26 19:30:43 Hmm. You know, I found something interesting out. When I attempted to swap my Caps Lock into being a control modifier Aug 26 19:30:55 it appeared to shift all the keycodes somewhat crazily Aug 26 19:31:26 presumably because Ubuntu assumes direct control of the input? Aug 26 19:31:39 lets see what xev has to say Aug 26 19:31:42 when I do that Aug 26 19:32:45 Cerealklr: how'd you swap the caps/control modifier? (at what level?) Aug 26 19:33:09 I'm not really sure what level Ubuntu swaps it at. I'm running (well, mostly) netbook remix Aug 26 19:33:18 so I've got full access to most of the settings at a GUI level Aug 26 19:33:37 in the keyboard preferences > layout > options > Ctrl key position Aug 26 19:33:41 nevermind. anyway adding support for that, assuming SDL passes it down at all, souldn't be an issue. Aug 26 19:34:26 dtzWill: any eta on that? Aug 26 19:35:17 Cerealklr: nope. although honestly i expect to look into it over the weekend Aug 26 19:35:39 friday being zomg touchpad day /anyway/ in terms of productivity xD (my 3 tp order is due tomorrow \o/) Aug 26 19:35:46 *saturday being Aug 26 19:35:48 o___O Aug 26 19:35:59 dtzwill: yea, I know how that goes =D Aug 26 19:36:36 does anyone know how to display .chm file on a touchpad reader I tried to use calibre to convert it but it said that format was not available Aug 26 19:37:33 dtzWill: yea, still no pass through on the modifier keys I wasn't getting before. =/ Aug 26 19:44:55 Cerealklr: yeah that xsdl binary is the guy who allows /what/ gets passed through, and how. the mapping stuff interprets those and changes the keyboard state accordingly Aug 26 19:45:52 my understanding of dev mapping in linux is still pretty vague (I did some reading a year or two ago out of curiosity when I was getting LIRC set up, that's about it) Aug 26 19:46:11 but since Ubuntu's running as a chroot, shouldn't I be able to find the raw keyboard as a device in /dev/ ? Aug 26 19:52:04 ubuntu's not running at all, you're chrooting into an ubuntu install and using that to run misc applications and the like. Aug 26 19:52:37 but yeah there's probably an input device that you might be able to poke at. i'm unsure how that'll work with luna/etc using it, but that's definitely a possibility. Aug 26 19:52:42 ah, silly of me Aug 26 19:53:14 that might also be the root of the dbus issue, if I can just figure out what to do about it Aug 26 19:53:27 I assume we're bind mounting /dev in the chroot Aug 26 19:53:37 Also, is the enter key not working in nano via novaterm for anyone else? Aug 26 19:53:41 linuxjacques: Yep Aug 26 19:54:00 i liked the idea of going through the xserver "like you should" (normally if we were running a full x server there'd be happy drivers hitting up those /dev/* for you), but if that fails/failed doing something like doing the equiv of a keyboard driver to get the input directly is probably possible Aug 26 19:54:08 linuxjacques: yeah, definitely. Aug 26 19:54:17 so you should see everything webos sees in /dev under ubuntu Aug 26 19:54:37 linuxjacques: That's what I was figuring. Problem is, it sees a _lot_ of devices Aug 26 19:54:47 and sort of tail -f /dev/XXX for an hour Aug 26 19:54:56 not sure how to find out which one(s) we need Aug 26 19:55:00 s/sort/short Aug 26 19:55:32 do wireless mice pair with webos? O:) Aug 26 19:55:46 biggest reason to hit /dev/input directly would be to catch things that luna eats, like esc. Aug 26 19:56:10 dtzWill: rwhitby had a video showing synergy working in his X environment Aug 26 19:56:22 so he was moving between devices Aug 26 19:57:21 dtzWill: you mean BT mice? Aug 26 19:57:28 linuxjacques: i do mean that Aug 26 19:57:32 dtzWill: AFAIK nobody has achieved that yet Aug 26 19:57:41 dtzWill: have you seen the wifi mice? Aug 26 19:57:48 wifi mice? 0.o Aug 26 19:57:58 bpadalino: yeah i know, *i was there*. think he was running a synergy binary that i either built or staged ;) Aug 26 19:58:01 I mean, I guess it makes sense, but _why_ Aug 26 19:58:07 well bluetooth mouse is clearly what i meant :) Aug 26 19:58:09 oh, well then there you go Aug 26 19:58:14 =D Aug 26 19:58:22 you may know a little something about that :P Aug 26 19:58:37 I want to pair my wii controller Aug 26 19:58:47 but custom BT stack :-( Aug 26 19:58:53 :( Aug 26 19:58:55 linuxjacques: yes! wii controllers ^.^ Aug 26 19:58:58 btw Tab: 255 Aug 26 19:59:07 showkey Aug 26 19:59:14 woops, wrong kb again -.- Aug 26 19:59:19 haha would use it more as a portable emulator controller more than i use it now as an actual wii controller Aug 26 19:59:19 haha Aug 26 19:59:26 Cerealklr: tab should already work. does it not? Aug 26 19:59:31 HAYOOOO Aug 26 19:59:32 and yes it's bound to 255 Aug 26 19:59:37 CTRL IS 29 Aug 26 19:59:43 X IS PICKING IT UP Aug 26 19:59:52 try running showkey Aug 26 19:59:55 in your chroot Aug 26 20:00:13 dtzWill: it does, but I was going to hijack it as a temporary control Aug 26 20:00:24 but it looks like I just may've found the control key, somehow Aug 26 20:01:56 I just tried modifying my keymappings for X11 in the chroot (usr/share/X11/xkb/keycodes/xfree86) Aug 26 20:01:59 Wish it luck! Aug 26 20:02:08 from hp.com? Aug 26 20:02:18 wrong wrong oops Aug 26 20:02:23 wrong room Aug 26 20:03:01 wait, showkey has item for control but xev doesn't? Aug 26 20:03:11 yea. That makes sense though Aug 26 20:03:16 kernel keycodes are picked up by X Aug 26 20:03:25 and transliterated to the keycodes it shows to its clients Aug 26 20:03:37 showkey shows kernel keycodes Aug 26 20:03:41 Cerealklr: i made the mappings that do that atm :( Aug 26 20:03:51 0.o Aug 26 20:03:52 interesting. well maybe we should hijack showkey then Aug 26 20:04:47 Cerealklr: we go from SDL events (the natural input to a PDK app) to 'keycodes' sent to the x server--then xkb files map those to symbols Aug 26 20:05:18 hmm Aug 26 20:05:20 anyway, good find--that means worst come to worst we have a way of for-sure determining when control is pressed Aug 26 20:05:24 so there's still a broken link in between. =[ Aug 26 20:05:27 Cerealklr: does that show escape too? Aug 26 20:05:39 escape as in cardview escape? Aug 26 20:05:45 or the notificaitons button? Aug 26 20:05:46 Cerealklr: 100%, as i've said a few times i just need to sit down and add the special-csae for it Aug 26 20:05:47 lol Aug 26 20:05:55 testing feed and all, bro :) Aug 26 20:06:06 dtzWill: I know, but I wanted to get it going now. =D I'm on testing feed already. Aug 26 20:06:16 But having the d key show desktop, no arrows, and no control is making it really hard Aug 26 20:06:18 (if anyone else wants to do it, by all means ^.^) Aug 26 20:06:19 for me to fix the other issues Aug 26 20:06:27 with getting ubuntu netbook remix user-ready Aug 26 20:06:30 =D Aug 26 20:06:38 haha, k Aug 26 20:06:40 dtzWill: is there a repo somewhere? Aug 26 20:06:51 well i'm doing all i can, busy and all :). Aug 26 20:06:56 Cerealklr: if you're this passionate about it Aug 26 20:07:07 lemme make you a custom build and you tell me if you get control, k? Aug 26 20:07:15 dtzWill: Oh definitely, i'm not blaming you! I'm just ready and rearing to finally contribute something back to the community besides small change. =D Aug 26 20:07:26 biggest stoppper is time and that my media center is finicky and i'm reluctanct to re-pair my keyboard to my device ;) Aug 26 20:07:26 Sure thing! Aug 26 20:07:34 or maybe i'll just pair it and get it done Aug 26 20:07:36 xD I know that problem Aug 26 20:07:40 squeaky wheel and all Aug 26 20:08:03 (you'll notice that vkb fully works, since that's what i use mostly ^.^) Aug 26 20:08:40 bah, i really want/need another touchpad touchstone for @ home Aug 26 20:09:17 Mhmm. Since I'm trying to get the GUI going, I needed all the screen real-estate I could. Aug 26 20:09:40 Optimally, it'll be a normal WebOS tablet when i'm on the go and a decent if a little sluggish laptop when I have a chance to sit down Aug 26 20:10:22 I have a monster laptop that I have to lug everywhere with me, but it's really overkill for a lot of what I do Aug 26 20:10:34 and laptop's in general are overkill for common user's needs Aug 26 20:11:03 Oh, I agree-I'm hoping to find a Touchpad to use as a replacement laptop as everything I do can very easily be replaced by a tablet Aug 26 20:11:08 Cerealklr: mmhmm. well got some performance fixes in the pipeline, just need some loving. Aug 26 20:11:41 dtzWill: I figured as much. I'll be looking forward to see what changes are made for it. Optimization always struck me as an interesting process Aug 26 20:12:31 By the way am I right in assuming that each program is run in a separate process natively on the TP at the moment, or are they all just threads? Aug 26 20:12:46 Because it seems really strange that the touchpad itself remains buttersmooth while ubuntu really bogs down Aug 26 20:13:37 I figured if it wasn't running as separate processes (somehow) then it'd be stuck on only one of the cores, which'd explain why the TP still got along just fine Aug 26 20:13:59 alternatively, I'd have to guess HP just cranked the niceness wayyy down on everything involving the UI Aug 26 20:15:12 Cerealklr: generall x apps will be slow b/c rendering is absolutely not accelerated in any way Aug 26 20:15:21 Ohh Aug 26 20:15:23 that does make sense Aug 26 20:15:24 so drawing basic widget sets--let alone anything eye-candy-esque, is terribly terribly slow Aug 26 20:15:32 Cerealklr: run non-grpahical things in your chroot and they should work fine Aug 26 20:15:40 yep, I had noticed that Aug 26 20:16:48 offhand does anyone know if any of the speicla keys on the hp keyboard are 'actually' ALT ? Aug 26 20:16:58 (like show-card-mode is 'esc' i believe?) Aug 26 20:17:22 Not that I know of Aug 26 20:17:30 though symbol is ripe for the jacking for that purpose, if it can be Aug 26 20:17:47 yeah the heck is that. mkay Aug 26 20:17:49 Which, by the way, showkey is calling 100 Aug 26 20:18:07 Cerealklr: what does showkey call 'a'? Aug 26 20:18:22 30 Aug 26 20:18:50 they kernel keycodes aren't ASCII keycodes, but I got hung up on that myself for a minute Aug 26 20:18:53 =D Aug 26 20:18:55 the* Aug 26 20:19:11 showkey -a? :) Aug 26 20:19:18 Cereal: am I imagining things, or did you used to actually have "killer" spelled out? Aug 26 20:19:26 anyway, bbiab Aug 26 20:20:24 LarrySteeze: may have been a different person. It seemed a lot more unique back when I first decided to make that my alias Aug 26 20:20:35 but apparently at least one famous movie has used it (for a hacker, no less) Aug 26 20:20:42 so I run into quite a few naming conflicts Aug 26 20:20:56 Strongly considering just swapping over to my real name and going with it Aug 26 20:22:21 HAYOO! Aug 26 20:22:25 guys Aug 26 20:22:29 showkey has keycodes Aug 26 20:22:33 for the function keys as well! Aug 26 20:22:55 it should, shouldn't it? :) Aug 26 20:23:02 I am so happy right now. Aug 26 20:23:04 =D Aug 26 20:23:05 but good--i'm not sure how to use that immediatley, but it's good to know Aug 26 20:23:18 I'm compiling a list of them Aug 26 20:23:22 I'll put it on the wiki in a bit Aug 26 20:23:23 gotcha Aug 26 20:23:41 I swear there was a CerealKiller in internals a couple years ago though Aug 26 20:23:48 maybe it was you and I just filled in the blanks Aug 26 20:24:10 Well, I've been here since the original Palm Pre, in and out Aug 26 20:24:14 mostly as time allowed Aug 26 20:24:17 I'm sure it was you then Aug 26 20:24:22 =] Aug 26 20:24:25 * LarrySteeze is now embarassed Aug 26 20:24:32 No problem. =D Aug 26 20:24:37 that's what I get for being very active...in short spurts Aug 26 20:25:20 you were one of us tearing apart the doctor the night it was "released" then, I'm assuming Aug 26 20:25:37 LarrySteeze: Nope, can't claim credit for that. Aug 26 20:26:03 LarrySteeze: I came as a leech, became a lurker, and started actively contributing a year to a year and a half ago. Aug 26 20:26:12 But I haven't done anything I can really brag about Aug 26 20:26:16 =P Aug 26 20:26:35 that was odd Aug 26 20:26:51 in my departure message, did it say I was ghosted? Aug 26 20:27:07 no Aug 26 20:27:12 strange Aug 26 20:27:16 No, said you reset by peer Aug 26 20:27:29 how odd Aug 26 20:28:06 Cerealklr: I'll just stop relying on my memory entirely then Aug 26 20:30:21 LarrySteeze: sounds a bit dangerous! =D I was here just shy of Winter tearing apart the PalmDatabase Aug 26 20:30:40 and built a solid exporter script for messages for WebOS 1.4.5 devices Aug 26 20:30:46 but I was beaten to the punch at that Aug 26 20:30:50 so never ended up releasing it Aug 26 20:30:53 =P Aug 26 20:32:30 Cerealklr, really? you didn't release it?? Aug 26 20:32:44 I was sure you were involved in that :S Aug 26 20:33:32 NuttyBunny: Nah. I still have the source if anyone wants it, but basically at the same time I was building a new importer based off what I learned from an old one and a lot of database introspection Aug 26 20:33:48 The guy who made that old one (which didn't work appropriately on 1.4.5) wrote a new one as well that did Aug 26 20:33:55 and released it before I released mine Aug 26 20:33:58 =D Aug 26 20:34:05 mmh.. too bad Aug 26 20:34:19 you should release it tho Aug 26 20:35:22 Doesn't seem like it'd really benefit the community at this point though. =P And i'm having a ton of fun helping out on the frontier of getting something graphical on top of the ubuntu chroot Aug 26 20:35:36 Which I think will be helpful for a lot of people that can't really afford laptops Aug 26 20:36:05 cool :) Aug 26 20:36:46 And besides, it'll be awesome to brag that "I can install Ubuntu Netbook Remix as an app in WebOS. You have to jailbreak your (iPhone | Android) in order to install a [simple app here]. Aug 26 20:38:55 true Aug 26 20:40:48 at least a lot of the jailbreaks have been reduced to one step processes now Aug 26 20:41:12 It's more of an ethical thing than a "too much work thing" in my opinion Aug 26 20:42:33 the saddest part is that it really can vary from manufacturer to manufacturer in terms of what you're able to do Aug 26 20:42:45 signed boot loaders and stuff like that Aug 26 20:42:53 jailbreaks? I thought there was a single manufacturer for iOS :P Aug 26 20:42:59 be back after dinner, keep me informed guys! Aug 26 20:43:17 if anyone needs me, /msg works, or you can get me at cerealklr@gmail.com Aug 26 20:44:11 I was more talking about in the Android realm Aug 26 20:44:28 Yeah, I know, messing around Aug 26 20:45:04 they call it "rooting", the ios guys call it "jailbreaking", we just call it developer mode Aug 26 20:45:11 I always love that Aug 26 20:46:38 o_O sshd stopped running on my tp? hrrmm Aug 26 20:47:11 the Nexus S is to a point where it's one click. Glad it didn't have any signed boot loader nonsense or anything Aug 26 20:47:44 not as easy as typing in the konami code (the webos2009 one is for loooosers) though Aug 26 20:49:31 /opt/etc/init.d/S40sshd restart Aug 26 20:49:38 * dtzWill shrugs Aug 26 21:00:14 howdy! Aug 26 21:00:32 i confirmed, Hulu works with LNX instead of WIN! So we can win :) Aug 26 21:03:18 does webos 3 not have sdl Aug 26 21:04:13 sampson, sdl? it's there since 1.3.5 Aug 26 21:04:21 hrm Aug 26 21:04:41 was playing around with vba source to see if i could get it to work on touchpad and it's complaining about a lib that flat out doesn't exist on touchpad Aug 26 21:04:43 they call it PDL, and you need to compile against their libraries, but it's there Aug 26 21:04:46 libsrv_um.so Aug 26 21:04:48 ah Aug 26 21:04:59 has anyone figured out why backups fail on the phone? (to HP profile) I saw a link to fix it, but it caused the problem of not syncing data to the TP Aug 26 21:05:16 ajay: lots of reasons but usually failed data transmission Aug 26 21:05:34 What's the good terminal app... Aug 26 21:05:40 for? Aug 26 21:05:42 the one with keyboard shortcuts an all.... Aug 26 21:05:44 tp Aug 26 21:05:51 there is only xterm/xecutah Aug 26 21:05:53 does terminus work on the TP? Aug 26 21:05:55 no Aug 26 21:05:58 Nah, I thouh....oh Aug 26 21:06:02 that's the one...terminus Aug 26 21:06:06 damn it Aug 26 21:06:13 sampson: because of lack of v kbd or? Aug 26 21:06:32 terminus was kick ass... Aug 26 21:06:34 same reason as a lot of 1.x apps Aug 26 21:06:44 needs recompiled/tooled to match new libs Aug 26 21:08:25 sampson: oh just remove that from linker flags Aug 26 21:08:25 sampson: and add something like -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefined Aug 26 21:08:28 sampson: artifact from older days. should be fixed in one of the dev bilds Aug 26 21:08:46 i grabbed the latest from preware's webos-internal feed Aug 26 21:08:47 *dev branches Aug 26 21:08:51 oh yeah, that doesn't work. Aug 26 21:08:54 yeah heh Aug 26 21:09:09 guess i should get around to getting my dev environment setup so i can get back in the swing of things Aug 26 21:12:20 hey Aug 26 21:13:25 what are the palm tenderloin modules? Aug 26 21:29:28 control, arrow keys, work on bt keyboard--will package up when i get back. Aug 26 21:29:39 alt (using symbol as alt) should work in a bit, will poke at that when i get back too. Aug 26 21:30:35 dtzWill: ESC ? Aug 26 21:30:46 linuxjacques: gimme a key to map to esc and i'll do it Aug 26 21:31:18 dtzWill: I'll find out when I get home (apple wireless keyboard) Aug 26 21:38:07 dtzWill: Yay! Aug 26 21:38:27 Let me know when it's up, I have more work to do! =D Aug 26 21:39:36 dtzWill, is just ESC grabbed or it includes any modification to it? (alt, ctrl, etc) Aug 26 21:41:09 arg quilt req perl.. that's gonna take a second w/ the distance i am from wifi.. ;^) Aug 26 21:51:33 is there any reason why a Preware install might take a long time to the point where it looks like it's frozen? Aug 26 21:51:57 installing to a TouchPad (3.0.2) via webOS QI Aug 26 21:52:27 it worked on another TouchPad I have fine, but it's not playing ball with this other TouchPad Aug 26 21:52:47 anyone here seem the issue when the touchpad doesn't want to load your profile data? ("Skip") Aug 26 21:54:07 I should not be allowed to live Aug 26 21:54:14 !@£$%^&*() Aug 26 21:54:20 it was on USB Drive Aug 26 21:55:18 linuxjacques: to be clear, esc is omnomnom'd by luna Aug 26 21:55:40 so we need some key that gets through that we can use Aug 26 21:55:52 dtzWill: well, we still have a kernel keycode for it Aug 26 21:55:54 down the line we might try cutting luna outta the picture, but atm that's part of the architecture Aug 26 21:56:01 The question is, can we block luna from using it Aug 26 21:56:30 well it's a lot easier to rig up some unused key than to write a new input mechanism that listens to kernel keycodes like showkey Aug 26 21:56:32 or at least atm Aug 26 21:56:38 true enough Aug 26 21:57:51 dtzWill: What's the news on the update? =] Aug 26 21:58:12 dtzWill: d'oh! Aug 26 21:58:18 Cerealklr: patience, bro! Aug 26 21:58:34 dtzWill: sorry if it sounded like I was rushing you. =P Aug 26 21:58:39 can we go straight to evdev? Aug 26 21:58:54 linuxjacques: no i mean physically a key we can map to escape Aug 26 21:59:01 since the actual escape key is taken by luna Aug 26 21:59:13 linuxjacques: The kernel keycodes are there. It'd just be a lot more work to implement something at a low enough level to get around it Aug 26 21:59:16 dtzWill: and I mean can we get the keys before luna sees them Aug 26 21:59:20 ^^^ Aug 26 21:59:35 so evdev == kernel keycodes ? Aug 26 21:59:39 linuxjacques: oh i misread your comment, sorry Aug 26 21:59:42 np Aug 26 21:59:51 just trying to get it straight myself Aug 26 21:59:52 linuxjacques: anyway, we can jump below luna to whatever input layer makes sense Aug 26 21:59:55 Kernel keycodes are the kernels raw interpretation of keypresses Aug 26 22:00:02 than X11 then transfers to standardized keycodes Aug 26 22:00:13 I'm assuming xev doesn't show the esc key even if luna uses it? Aug 26 22:00:19 Yep Aug 26 22:00:20 NuttyBunny: no it doesn't Aug 26 22:00:24 guys all xev does Aug 26 22:00:34 is report the key events generated by Xsdl, which atm is code i wrote Aug 26 22:00:36 :( Aug 26 22:00:39 =D Aug 26 22:00:47 remember, in this case (Xsdl) X is getting the keys from SDL Aug 26 22:00:53 ooo there's a 'Backup troubleshooting utility'.. i'm intrigued Aug 26 22:01:12 linuxjacques: maybe we can use 'esc' as justification for pushing on the full x server front :) Aug 26 22:01:33 that said, we'd still have to /intercept/ the event or so such that luna doesn't through you to card view or w/e Aug 26 22:01:33 lol Aug 26 22:01:39 ok.. too bad :) Aug 26 22:01:44 dtzWill: well it is kinda inportant to emacs users :-D Aug 26 22:02:02 s/in/im/ Aug 26 22:02:02 linuxjacques meant: dtzWill: well it is kimda inportant to emacs users :-D Aug 26 22:02:05 linuxjacques: bingo Aug 26 22:02:10 =D Aug 26 22:02:10 lol Aug 26 22:02:23 but at least with ctrl and meta Aug 26 22:02:28 we can get around it Aug 26 22:02:35 in most cases Aug 26 22:02:45 what's meta? Aug 26 22:02:53 symbol will be alt Aug 26 22:05:20 did any of you try the droid image yet? Aug 26 22:06:00 dtzWill: oh i didn't realize you were still working on the X server stuff -- nice! Aug 26 22:06:22 dtzWill is always working on the X server :-) Aug 26 22:06:24 Of course! the TouchPad has too much potential not to exploit it. =D Aug 26 22:08:12 alt works now, will be pushing soon Aug 26 22:08:22 linuxjacques: escape is? well i want escape as a vim user too :( Aug 26 22:09:21 need it! :) Aug 26 22:10:40 right, but no good way to do it atm in current architecture. Aug 26 22:10:50 later iterations i suppose we might get more clever Aug 26 22:10:52 baby steps :) Aug 26 22:17:25 So I'm not the only vim user then? Aug 26 22:18:31 hi there Aug 26 22:18:51 does anyone know the easiest way to unpack and rebuild a boot.bin file? Aug 26 22:19:20 trying to modify the meta-doctor installer Aug 26 22:20:07 LarrySteeze, I use VIM as well... at least in the phone I can use ctrl-C to go into esc mode :) Aug 26 22:20:46 well it's good to know not everyone has switched :D Aug 26 22:21:19 Cerealklr: you around? Aug 26 22:21:25 dtzWill: yep! Aug 26 22:22:24 so...i broke the web browser Aug 26 22:22:27 grumble why am i drafting testers for commits to testing feed Aug 26 22:22:27 :( Aug 26 22:22:28 lol Aug 26 22:22:39 =D Aug 26 22:22:41 guess that's as compelling a reason as any to release to non-testing Aug 26 22:23:07 can anyone think of anything that makes the web browser keep spinning & spinning? Aug 26 22:23:11 seems reasonable Aug 26 22:23:18 Cerealklr: see pm :) Aug 26 22:23:44 BrettQ, reboot, maybe flash is stuck as well Aug 26 22:24:15 k Aug 26 22:24:32 i installed a bunch of Optware packages last night Aug 26 22:24:48 figured i did something stupid Aug 26 22:29:23 NuttyBunny: nope...reboot didn't fix it Aug 26 22:30:00 the loading screen shows, it acts like it's going to load, the the loading screen comes up...rinse repeat Aug 26 22:43:02 catch ya'll later! Aug 26 22:43:07 bai! Aug 26 22:45:10 Hey guys! Aug 26 22:45:33 heya Aug 26 22:47:40 Emacs on Ubuntu netbook remix on my touchpad as an app makes me a happy man. =D Aug 26 22:47:50 cryptk: ping! Aug 26 22:48:17 Cerealklr: keyboard working fully? Aug 26 22:48:26 just needs ESC Aug 26 22:48:54 grr...and I'm a vim guy Aug 26 22:48:58 thank dtzWill. I just gave him a little bit of info and bugged him til he got it done! =D Aug 26 22:49:15 esc is gonna be a hard one Aug 26 22:49:15 what kb do you use? Aug 26 22:49:22 HP's official bluetooth Aug 26 22:49:59 k...i just have the Apple Wireless kb Aug 26 22:50:24 probably going to need to doctor my tPad Aug 26 22:50:53 can't figure out what i did to the networking on here Aug 26 22:53:26 Does ubuntu install as an App so you run it inside webOS yeah? Aug 26 22:53:37 yep Aug 26 22:53:42 but Aug 26 22:53:49 it takes some foreknowledge and a doctoring Aug 26 22:53:53 to make that work Aug 26 22:55:12 I am trying to insdtall preware now Aug 26 22:55:21 only have the 16GB version so probably cant do much Aug 26 22:55:30 i'm using the 16GB version. Aug 26 22:55:48 Not sure if I installed preare properly at all Aug 26 22:56:00 follow the wiki's instructions Aug 26 22:56:18 I recommend the WebOS Quick Install route, or, if you have the developer SDK installed, the official novacom route Aug 26 22:56:27 is there a link anywhere? Aug 26 22:56:32 I am on webOS quick install atm Aug 26 22:56:43 do I want to mount my touchpad as a USB drive? Aug 26 22:56:55 ...no Aug 26 22:57:19 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Where_to_Get_Started Aug 26 22:57:31 that wiki will be your bible. =P Aug 26 22:58:37 Guys! Chrome is speedy as heck on the TouchPad! Aug 26 22:58:41 =D Aug 26 22:59:21 Aloush: are you following http://bit.ly/phd-ac ? Aug 26 22:59:22 in js it's faster than the stock browsersunspider Aug 26 22:59:27 its speedy when you overclock to 1.7ghz Aug 26 22:59:35 1.7Ghz? Aug 26 22:59:43 yer Aug 26 22:59:56 running at 1.5 right now. I didn't see a kernel with a higher clock available Aug 26 23:00:07 is it in the testing feed yet? Aug 26 23:00:16 some tps are unstable at 1.7 Aug 26 23:00:35 yeah, I doubt 1.7 will get out of the testing feed Aug 26 23:00:44 makes sense Aug 26 23:00:54 even at 99 dollars, i'd rather not fry it needlessly. =P Aug 26 23:02:57 I was talking to dtzWill earlier, and he mentioned Cryptk might know something about the dbus issues with the ubuntu chroot. Aug 26 23:03:20 yep, cryptk|offline has a partial fix for that. it's actually an upstart issue Aug 26 23:03:21 I've already fixed the upstart issues I've come across so far, but does anybody else know anthing about dbus (or what cryptk might know?) Aug 26 23:03:56 Is it the official fix for ubuntu chroots? If so I've already applied that. =/ If not, apparently there was another level of breakage I didn't know about Aug 26 23:04:07 Upstart seems to be functioning though Aug 26 23:11:18 Is web os quick install preware or is preware something I need to install? Aug 26 23:11:40 preware is on the device Aug 26 23:11:52 Is it something I need to install sepratly? Aug 26 23:11:53 roar stupid osx and pdk aren't playing nice Aug 26 23:11:54 webOS Quick Install is on the PC Aug 26 23:12:25 http://www.webos-internals.org Aug 26 23:12:41 thanks Aug 26 23:12:47 np Aug 26 23:12:59 lets have a read :P Aug 26 23:13:02 can the web browser be launched from xterm? Aug 26 23:13:15 should Aug 26 23:13:18 would love to have some debugging Aug 26 23:13:44 BrettQ: the tp's normal browser? Aug 26 23:14:02 BrettQ: lumberjack is probably a good idea for you then, you can use that to look at the browser's logs Aug 26 23:14:02 yes dtzWill Aug 26 23:14:24 Aloush: are you following http://bit.ly/phd-ac ? Aug 26 23:14:32 So can ubuntu run as a full operating system on the touchpad Aug 26 23:14:40 I am have preware on my device now its all good Aug 26 23:14:41 ok, is that in preware? Aug 26 23:14:45 Aloush: nope, at least not as far as i know. Aug 26 23:14:55 Aloush: ok. Look at the wiki for ubuntuchroot Aug 26 23:14:58 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverviewUpstart Aug 26 23:15:02 Weird Aug 26 23:15:17 Aloush: we chroot into an ubuntu image and run apps from there, but not full ubuntu install Aug 26 23:15:31 Ubuntu claims that the upstart problem was fixed in rev 0.9 Aug 26 23:15:34 Aloush: for native ubuntu install, see #touchdroid. We are a webOS channel here. Aug 26 23:15:37 (I have 0.9.7-1) Aug 26 23:15:42 so we run it chroot in a card Aug 26 23:17:07 personally i wouldn't bother with #touchdroid aside from watching hilarious slapfights Aug 26 23:17:12 Yeah not to intrested in touchdroid I really like webOS Aug 26 23:17:26 rofl Aug 26 23:18:11 rwhitby: know of any documentation to get osx to work with webos-internal make files Aug 26 23:18:27 i got the sdk & pdk installed but they keep defaulting to i386-apple-darwin Aug 26 23:18:32 sampson: all the wiki pages have osx instructions, cause I develop on osx Aug 26 23:18:38 ORRRLY Aug 26 23:18:54 sampson: all our apps build on osx Aug 26 23:19:03 then i botched something eh Aug 26 23:19:54 can I get amazon kindle app anyway not out in the UK yet Aug 26 23:20:03 not a question for here Aug 26 23:20:14 Aloush: try #touchpad Aug 26 23:20:30 Ah right sorry :P Aug 26 23:20:42 Was browsing preware thought it could possibly be on there Aug 26 23:20:52 give me a few hours of messinmg around and I wont be so stupid Aug 26 23:21:20 preware removed all palm listings as per HP's request Aug 26 23:21:28 It's not something you'll find on fine on preware anymoer Aug 26 23:21:31 *anymore Aug 26 23:21:55 we do everything possible to stay in HP's graces Aug 26 23:21:59 *good graces Aug 26 23:22:18 s/fine/find Aug 26 23:22:30 so I am using preware now browsing it, and there is a game section Aug 26 23:22:37 Is preware kinda like Cydia for iOS Aug 26 23:22:48 LarrySteeze: that statement is not true Aug 26 23:22:58 eh? Aug 26 23:23:02 LarrySteeze: we comply with the law, not with HP's wishes. Aug 26 23:23:21 alright, then I stand corrected. Aug 26 23:23:39 I always thought we wanted to be on their good side as well Aug 26 23:23:55 when that doesn't interfere with our goals, yes, Aug 26 23:24:14 hence our stopping development on tethering way back in the day, per Palm's request Aug 26 23:25:47 dtzWill: i get a notice that my ip changed then lots of upstart messages about browserserver state changing Aug 26 23:25:56 Aloush: preware certainly has its similarities to cydia, but I think you'll find it's more different than the same Aug 26 23:26:36 BrettQ: I can't help you debug personall, sorry (I don't know whta might be causing your issue). but you wanted some debug logging and lumberjack is the way to do that :) Aug 26 23:26:43 k Aug 26 23:26:52 Right so how do I go about increaing the speed of my touchpad slightly I have read about it and I do get some lag quite often Aug 26 23:27:01 this log looks nasty ;) Aug 26 23:27:29 I suggest you use a combination of reducing/eliminating logs and govnah/uberkernel Aug 26 23:27:44 I can PM you with a link to an article that will help you out Aug 26 23:29:36 LarrySteeze: at the point where we stopped tethering work, there was no devices released on any carrier other than sprint, and sprint's TOS prohibited tethering. once a GSM device was released, we started work. Aug 26 23:30:20 I understand...I was only explaining why I misinterpreted the reasoning. Aug 26 23:30:36 sampson: we pulled the palm listing cause HP stopped the feed, not cause HP asked us to pull the listings. Aug 26 23:31:31 gotcha Aug 26 23:34:11 alot of these preware apps for more pre than touchpad by the looks of it Aug 26 23:35:24 well yes, the touchpad has only been around for a short time Aug 26 23:36:40 a lot more development time for the pre Aug 26 23:37:30 I have multiple tabs open trying to read about it, what is the plus side about me installing this preware app on my touch? Aug 26 23:37:32 touchpad* Aug 26 23:39:06 Aloush: did you read the PM I sent you? Aug 26 23:40:13 so rwhitby you keeping a tally of how many licenses touchdroid has broken? Aug 26 23:42:05 sampson: depends which of the 6+ teams you're referring to Aug 26 23:42:17 lol Aug 26 23:43:46 I don't mean to digress to be off-topic, and certainly don't want to condone the whole TouchDroid project... Aug 26 23:44:07 but for my own education, what licenses would be broken? Aug 26 23:44:07 I'm curious, does the ubuntu chroot just plug into the underlying dbus WebOS was already running? Aug 26 23:44:28 if it's vanilla android, which is open source Aug 26 23:45:05 well right now all the teams are playing with images from those qualcomm dev units which they can't provide source for Aug 26 23:45:12 it's the same as piracy at that point Aug 26 23:46:03 sampson: they are not qualcomm dev units Aug 26 23:46:12 those devices are stock touchpads. Aug 26 23:46:26 how the heck did android get on them? Aug 26 23:46:26 Note the "Production Test Tool" app in the image. it's obvious what the image is for. Aug 26 23:46:30 rwhitby: time to teach that to infobot? Aug 26 23:46:55 LarrySteeze: the image is a proprietary HP factory test image. Highly illegal to redistribute. Aug 26 23:47:18 I gotcha. I haven't been following the project, so I didn't realize they were using something made by HP Aug 26 23:47:24 sampson: the file listing from the dump confirms the theory. Aug 26 23:47:46 I thought they were using current open-source software only Aug 26 23:48:12 LarrySteeze: far from it. most of the teams that are publicly stating anything have no concept of legality. Aug 26 23:48:25 the folks doing serious open source ports are staying quiet Aug 26 23:48:44 one of them has ubuntu running natively already Aug 26 23:49:24 gotcha Aug 26 23:49:39 gah...you know you are way behind the curve when your 9yr old is writing node.js stuff and wants a TP to develop on... Aug 26 23:51:20 :( Aug 26 23:51:24 ka9sox: Tell your kid i'm proud of him. Aug 26 23:51:29 =D Aug 26 23:51:33 did you see creationix saying he'll be using node-sdl ? Aug 26 23:51:35 kind of interesting Aug 26 23:51:52 nick LarrySteeze|Dinner Aug 26 23:51:55 whoops Aug 26 23:52:09 Did webos internals get it's fill of devices while they were on fire sale? Aug 26 23:52:16 no concept of "users" in WebOS. Aug 26 23:52:30 so I don't dare let him have mine Aug 26 23:53:02 teamnoir: we are still trying to find enough for all of the webos-internals devs Aug 26 23:53:19 was a bit hard to get many in .au, there was a quite strict one-per-person policy Aug 26 23:53:28 16GB ones sold out in about 30 minutes Aug 26 23:54:57 evening folks Aug 26 23:55:09 evening Aug 26 23:56:37 for Touchpad, is resizing the /var partition pointless? Aug 26 23:56:57 yup Aug 26 23:57:09 SWAP and ext3fs Aug 26 23:57:34 512 is good for swap? Aug 26 23:57:47 thats what I use Aug 26 23:58:10 great, thanks ka6sox Aug 26 23:58:16 cryptk|offline ping! Aug 26 23:58:40 no route to host Aug 26 23:58:50 sad panda Aug 26 23:59:38 wonder if i broke the browser by messing with libflashplayer.so Aug 26 23:59:52 howdy Aug 27 00:00:33 !seen rwhitby Aug 27 00:00:40 oh, he's here Aug 27 00:00:41 hey pezman726 Aug 27 00:01:06 how is Debian treating you? Aug 27 00:01:09 sup Aug 27 00:01:32 haven't had a chande to install a window mgr yet Aug 27 00:01:41 just chromium Aug 27 00:01:58 (which I couldn't do with karmic) Aug 27 00:02:13 heard chromium flies Aug 27 00:02:26 I've had debian on here for a while though Aug 27 00:02:46 I haven't done benchmarks yet Aug 27 00:03:13 (by a while...i mean since like, Tuesday) Aug 27 00:03:25 heh Aug 27 00:03:35 I'll run sunspider sometime Aug 27 00:03:42 interested to see your makefile Aug 27 00:03:51 and I'll probably try it out on the touchpad Aug 27 00:03:55 i want to understand this more Aug 27 00:04:07 sunspider has been run onit Aug 27 00:04:15 at various settings Aug 27 00:04:32 on a pixi? Aug 27 00:04:37 yup Aug 27 00:04:41 I did it Aug 27 00:04:52 like a year ago or so. Aug 27 00:04:56 in chromium Aug 27 00:05:08 pixi + chromium? uh..nope Aug 27 00:05:17 ;) Aug 27 00:06:17 Once more, with feeling... how are webos internals devs set for devices these days? Aug 27 00:06:36 hopefully rod will approve of my makefile and other few files Aug 27 00:07:13 then he can toss it in the git repo Aug 27 00:07:40 teamnoir: we're looking for devices to buy Aug 27 00:09:14 mornin rwhitby Aug 27 00:09:45 pezman726: g'day, hope to get to your files sometime later today Aug 27 00:10:09 pezman726: based on the backlog conversation, I expect there will be no problems Aug 27 00:10:19 cool Aug 27 00:10:45 pezman726: do you want us to submit it into Preware as org.webosinternals.debian-*-chroot, or do you have some other domain name you'd prefer to use for your contribution Aug 27 00:10:46 thanks for all the assistance! Aug 27 00:11:03 nope, its all yours Aug 27 00:11:14 :) Aug 27 00:11:21 by default we would put your name as the author of course Aug 27 00:11:28 is that what you prefer? Aug 27 00:11:39 that's fine Aug 27 00:11:57 shall I use your name and email from your email to me as the maintainer contact details? Aug 27 00:12:20 ooh, a debian chroot? glad i didn't get around to installing an ubuntu one Aug 27 00:12:49 directhex: it's an old one, to support armv6 on pixi Aug 27 00:13:01 actually, it isnt Aug 27 00:13:13 its the latest debian Aug 27 00:13:25 pezman726: oh, my mistake Aug 27 00:13:32 awesome then. lots of folks will like that. Aug 27 00:13:37 debian armel targets armv5 anyway Aug 27 00:13:37 ubuntu's the one that ditched armv6 support :) Aug 27 00:13:45 * dtzWill agrees, glad to have options Aug 27 00:14:00 there's a new arch in debian-ports, armhf, which targets armv7/thumb2/hardfloat Aug 27 00:14:28 rwhitby, use pezman726@gmail.com for contact Aug 27 00:14:48 confusingly, armel on ubuntu is armv7/thumb2/softfloat. so ubuntu armel is neither debian armel nor debian armhf Aug 27 00:15:11 got gentoo too: http://twitter.com/#!/funtoo/status/105768598357803008 xD Aug 27 00:16:01 what's the version number for squeeze? Aug 27 00:16:20 6.0.2 Aug 27 00:16:47 6.0 for the original release, plus point security releases Aug 27 00:17:28 pezman726: can you please create a DebianChroot wiki page, a-la the UbuntuChroot page? Aug 27 00:17:45 yep Aug 27 00:17:49 and upload a suitable debian logo, like http://www.webos-internals.org/images/5/5e/Icon_WebOSInternals_Ubuntu.png Aug 27 00:18:02 I wanted to make sure you approved first Aug 27 00:18:55 rwhitby: that ubuntu logo is the old branding. they refreshed the branding in 10.04 to be more monochrome and purple Aug 27 00:19:02 there's a good logo on wikimedia commons Aug 27 00:19:42 directhex: happy to replace it - got a link to one in the right size? Aug 27 00:20:04 rwhitby: the source svgs are on http://design.canonical.com/brand/Logos/UBUNTU%20BRANDMARK_AW.zip - what size is the target? Aug 27 00:20:21 similarly debian svgs on http://www.debian.org/logos/ Aug 27 00:20:23 http://www.webos-internals.org/images/5/5e/Icon_WebOSInternals_Ubuntu.png size ;) Aug 27 00:20:39 rwhitby, is the debian logo I included in the email good? Aug 27 00:21:04 pezman726: so for maintainer, your full name and that email, or your irc nick? Aug 27 00:21:23 go with the irc Aug 27 00:21:27 :) Aug 27 00:23:47 thanks rwhitby. Aug 27 00:23:59 dwc-: I knew a VZW pre2 would work, at this point, I'll take whatever is cheapest on ebay Aug 27 00:24:26 rwhitby: the formal logo from canonical's svgs at 64x64 is http://retro.apebox.org/cof_64x64.png Aug 27 00:24:44 hm, is that orange correct? let me check the docs Aug 27 00:25:36 DD4814 is correct, but it seems gloomy in firefox for some reason Aug 27 00:25:53 drobbins, congrats! Aug 27 00:27:55 http://retro.apebox.org/openlogo_64x64.png is the debian logo from debian's svg Aug 27 00:28:40 please tell me that's transparent Aug 27 00:29:14 I had to remove the white background from the one I found! Aug 27 00:29:55 pezman726: what's the point in using svg and png if you don't make full use of the transparency? Aug 27 00:30:30 pezman726: ok to use that one the directhex linked? Aug 27 00:31:16 absolutely Aug 27 00:31:44 no idea! but whoever posted the png on wikimedia commons didnt Aug 27 00:32:12 thanks directhex Aug 27 00:33:02 oh yeah, IE6 doesn't support teansparency in PNG Aug 27 00:33:05 there's a reason Aug 27 00:34:26 bedtime. Aug 27 00:34:28 http://www.webos-internals.org/images/2/24/Icon_WebOSInternals_Debian.png Aug 27 00:34:48 sure it does...you just need to use a css hack! Aug 27 00:35:34 pezman726: forcing IE6 to render png through directx doesn't count. especially since it doesn't work for more complex things than . like css background properties Aug 27 00:35:35 awesome rwhitby Aug 27 00:35:56 not through directx Aug 27 00:36:22 but its still a crappy hack Aug 27 00:36:49 filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader? Aug 27 00:36:57 night directhex thanks for the help Aug 27 00:37:07 the DX doesn't stand for Delerious Xylophones. Aug 27 00:37:08 or...you could upgrade from IE6 Aug 27 00:37:10 shot, guess that is dx! Aug 27 00:37:16 hahaha Aug 27 00:37:21 LarrySteeze: hax! Aug 27 00:38:07 I now down to your greatness Aug 27 00:38:14 now=bow Aug 27 00:38:46 If your corporation is 3 generations behind, you need to work for a new corporation Aug 27 00:38:59 especially since IE10 is in preview mode now Aug 27 00:39:03 pezman726: testing the build now Aug 27 00:40:14 awesome Aug 27 00:40:22 building on my 11.04, assuming the autobuilder 10.04 will do the same Aug 27 00:40:45 just pushed an xecutah update with the whitelist addition Aug 27 00:41:28 dtzwill: ping Aug 27 00:41:47 xterm isn't working for me anymore. I hope it wasn't because of the Xserver update Aug 27 00:42:56 Cerealklr: what do you mean "isn't working"? Aug 27 00:43:13 Jesus, my bad. I just checked Tweak, which I downloaded a bit ago Aug 27 00:43:20 and it had set my FG and BG colors to black Aug 27 00:43:24 so I assumed it was frozen Aug 27 00:43:38 is that the default color scheme for tweak? Aug 27 00:43:47 I built on 11.04 Aug 27 00:43:51 b/c if so, that's not a very good idea, and if not, i'm curious as to how it changed Aug 27 00:44:35 Cerealklr: it was for one version, and i'm afraid that tainted people's configurations Aug 27 00:44:46 maybe i can push an update that if you try to set fg==bg it just ignores the values Aug 27 00:44:47 makes sense Aug 27 00:44:56 since i can't imagine anyone actually /wanting/ that. Aug 27 00:45:01 shrug, testing feed and all :) Aug 27 00:45:06 * dtzWill hides behind that Aug 27 00:45:11 =D Aug 27 00:46:15 you know...I bet you could make an app that would turn your touchpad into a second monitor using wifi as opposed to the usb connection Aug 27 00:46:50 What I'd love to see is something that integrates Growl network notifications into webOS Aug 27 00:47:07 SineOt: I'd quite frankly prefer to see theo opposite Aug 27 00:47:13 webOS notifications via growl Aug 27 00:47:22 summatusmentis: honestly both ways would be cool Aug 27 00:47:35 and easily doable with the right tools I think Aug 27 00:47:39 well suuuure, if you wanna get all _technical_ Aug 27 00:47:40 :) Aug 27 00:48:24 when you say Growl network notifications, what do you mean? Aug 27 00:48:37 just sending the notifications over a network? Aug 27 00:49:07 Growl lets you register remote applications over the network… So you could have a desktop sending to a Touchpad, or a Touchpad sending to a desktop, vice versa. Aug 27 00:49:17 right, ok Aug 27 00:49:20 interesting Aug 27 00:49:21 All it is really is just a UDP broadcast packet. Aug 27 00:49:41 anyone have access to a non us/canada touchpad by chance? Aug 27 00:49:53 I'm looking at the page about it, I just wanted to make sure I was on the right one Aug 27 00:51:02 ka6sox: can you pass your chroot changes to pezman726 to test on the debian chroot before I package it? Aug 27 00:52:05 the patches for adding a non-priv user and verification of ext3fs? Aug 27 00:52:34 yep Aug 27 00:52:41 will do Aug 27 00:52:53 hey, did someone get ubuntu nativly on the touchpad? Aug 27 00:53:02 if pezman726 (or someone else here) can confirm they are good, we'll put them in both debian and ubuntu today Aug 27 00:53:04 Does anyone know where the script ubuntu chroot calls during chrooting is? (is it a script?) Aug 27 00:53:05 i heard someone doing that in #touchdroid Aug 27 00:53:05 I'm not gonna be at the computer I packaged it at. will that matter Aug 27 00:53:13 I wanted to try adding an additional mount point Aug 27 00:53:24 sailerboy: native ubuntu discussion is in #touchdroid Aug 27 00:53:32 rwhitby, mode +m Aug 27 00:53:33 :| Aug 27 00:54:08 or is this something I can test on device Aug 27 00:54:15 sailerboy: if it doesn't include webOS, it's off-topic here Aug 27 00:54:25 sorry then :( Aug 27 00:54:26 yto98 Aug 27 00:54:35 sorry, girlfriend being weird Aug 27 00:54:49 sailerboy: no biggie, we're just making sure that the #touchdroid drama doesn't infect this channel Aug 27 00:54:57 lol Aug 27 00:55:10 rwhitby, i'm hoping that some other group comes out with android Aug 27 00:55:20 sailerboy: one of the 6+ groups will Aug 27 00:55:25 and they'd be like haha, we've been working on it since january Aug 27 00:55:31 and we didn't ask for donations Aug 27 00:55:35 neener neener neener Aug 27 00:56:30 a guy from google has ubuntu running natively Aug 27 00:57:52 and yet another coup just happened in #touchdroid Aug 27 00:58:03 rwhitby, lol, i saw Aug 27 00:58:14 rwhitby, do you have a link for the google guy that has ubuntu? Aug 27 00:58:15 rwhitby: can I ask why you're following Aug 27 00:58:33 summatusmentis: it's like a train wreck, you can't look away Aug 27 00:58:36 or is it not a public release Aug 27 00:58:46 hah Aug 27 00:59:03 pezman726: sed: can't read /etc/default/console-setup: No such file or directory Aug 27 00:59:13 rwhitby, i think it's more like a plane crash Aug 27 00:59:25 less fatalities, but much more spectatular Aug 27 00:59:31 rwhitby, I won't be able to test those till monday Aug 27 00:59:59 pezman726, thanks. Aug 27 01:00:03 I appreciate this Aug 27 01:00:07 test Aug 27 01:00:26 summatusmentis: rwhitby is omnipresent Aug 27 01:00:52 you know your nick is Guest342 right? Aug 27 01:00:56 yeah... Aug 27 01:01:00 ok, just making sure Aug 27 01:01:06 it won't let me ghost LarrySteeze Aug 27 01:01:16 won't let you? you're doing it wrong then Aug 27 01:01:24 lol Aug 27 01:01:42 -NickServ- You may not ghost LarrySteeze Aug 27 01:02:17 there. worked this time Aug 27 01:02:32 I rest my case Aug 27 01:02:58 I did it the same way Aug 27 01:03:05 third time was a charm Aug 27 01:03:34 yeah Aug 27 01:03:46 rwhitby...just ignore that one Aug 27 01:03:53 ;) Aug 27 01:04:24 its for a ubuntu specific package Aug 27 01:04:57 pezman726: pushed to autobuilder, we can update later with ka6sox's patches Aug 27 01:05:40 cool. I'll test the packages Monday morning first thing. Aug 27 01:06:49 OH! Aug 27 01:07:00 Does anybody know what version of upstart WebOS 3.x is using? Aug 27 01:07:29 :( Aug 27 01:09:29 hi, i was wondering if being in south korea will affect my access to applications on the app store on the touchpad i ordered Aug 27 01:09:30 AHA Aug 27 01:09:45 Okay, upstart 9.x added support for chrooted environments Aug 27 01:09:59 WebOS 3.x, on the other hand, is rolling with upstart 0.3.8 Aug 27 01:10:14 I wonder how hideously things would explode if I tried to upgrade it Aug 27 01:12:02 why you'd want "support for chrooted environments"? other than debugging upstart itself? Aug 27 01:12:08 ultra_, its all based upon where you register it. Aug 27 01:12:18 and what appcat you choose. Aug 27 01:12:23 Awh darn Aug 27 01:12:32 I was really hoping a newer version would be packaged already Aug 27 01:12:36 in ipkg Aug 27 01:12:41 doesn't bode well for compatibility Aug 27 01:14:21 hmmm... Aug 27 01:18:08 hi Aug 27 01:19:22 ultra_: you will not have paid apps Aug 27 01:19:34 ultra_: check the palm support pages to see if you will get free apps even Aug 27 01:21:14 hey rwhitby, can i ask a dumb question Aug 27 01:21:54 ~ask Aug 27 01:21:54 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Aug 27 01:21:56 hmmmm, thanks Aug 27 01:22:41 i just did the meta-doctor deal to boot ubuntu, it says im using 8gb on my hard drive, is that right or did i do something wrong Aug 27 01:23:06 oh man, looks like this touchdroid project is being run by incompetent children, guess I'd better start getting familiar with webOS :D Aug 27 01:23:25 odd... when I boot my chroot ubuntu, df gives me no disks Aug 27 01:23:35 Satellite: there are some real developers working on it in private Aug 27 01:23:50 Satellite: none of the people who have gone public in any way Aug 27 01:23:57 honestly I thought I'd hate webOS, but I actually like it Aug 27 01:24:02 Just wiush where were more apps Aug 27 01:24:15 Satellite, but I would get familiar with it :D Aug 27 01:24:15 *wish there Aug 27 01:24:30 Satellite: WebOS is something worth getting to know Aug 27 01:24:52 I really like webOS but there's not gonna be many new apps for it so I dunno, it doesn't seem like a good idea to invest too much time in it Aug 27 01:24:56 and I would rather have less apps but better quality. Aug 27 01:25:16 We don't know that apps are going to stop being developed for it Aug 27 01:25:40 i have to say - it's nice and easy to modify the apps that are currently there Aug 27 01:25:53 there are obviously a lot of different scenarios that could play out, but one very real possibility is that WebOS is licensed out Aug 27 01:26:28 and this recent "fire sale" has certainly increased the userbase, giving developers a real incentive to write webos apps Aug 27 01:26:38 Why would people continue to develop for an uncertain webOS when iOS and Android are thriving though? I'm not trying to be negative or trashtalking webOS, just wondering Aug 27 01:28:23 Satellite, let me tell you a quick story Aug 27 01:28:41 Even if it's just for the short term (which isn't something we're hoping for), it is very easy to port apps from ios and android to webos. the lack of apps in the current ecosystem is attractive to a serious dev, because there's less competition for "good apps." Aug 27 01:28:47 about 7yrs ago when the little NAS boxes were popular.... Aug 27 01:29:01 a small group started developing things for htem to make them do more. Aug 27 01:29:19 Plus there was a recent spike in the number of users, all of whom are itching to buy apps Aug 27 01:29:24 Satellite: for developers looking to make money, webOS makes no sense. Aug 27 01:29:26 and when the manuf stopped supporting them the group continued on... Aug 27 01:29:42 Satellite: for developers who are doing it for other reasons, it's the most accessible mobile OS Aug 27 01:29:44 and that stuff continues to be used today. Aug 27 01:30:25 hmm Aug 27 01:31:28 devs who are looking to be a large fish in a small pond can also do well in webOS Aug 27 01:31:29 its available for Android phones as well as WebOS phones Aug 27 01:34:25 I still think HP should sanction ports of WebOS to existing hardware by other manufacturers...especially if they created the ports themselves Aug 27 01:34:48 honestly if webos had a streaming app like iOS has Air Video/StreamToMe and Android has Emit Aug 27 01:34:48 0.o I just realized Aug 27 01:34:50 I'd be set Aug 27 01:35:01 i'm compiling a library to compile a library to compile a new version of upstart Aug 27 01:35:05 on my touchpad Aug 27 01:35:07 and if pReader had a few less bugs :P Aug 27 01:35:16 but I can't complain Aug 27 01:35:18 for $99 Aug 27 01:35:24 Satellite: streaming which way? Aug 27 01:35:36 hey all Aug 27 01:35:43 there's always play on Aug 27 01:35:48 heya Aug 27 01:35:55 we've made progress on the GUI Aug 27 01:36:09 LarrySteeze: PC > Touchpad Aug 27 01:36:15 Cerealklr: liking ubunu? Aug 27 01:36:26 Satellite: Touchpad > PC Aug 27 01:36:32 Well, Ubuntu is my primary OS. =D Aug 27 01:36:39 Still not fully operational on the Touchpad Aug 27 01:36:44 but the keyboard fully works now Aug 27 01:36:46 you mean PC streaming to touchpad? Aug 27 01:36:49 My PC can only run Ubuntu/Windows/OS X Aug 27 01:36:53 and i've figured out the root of the issue with it Aug 27 01:37:06 my touchpad can run webOS *and* Ubuntu Aug 27 01:37:13 (dbus can't work because upstart can't work because the version of upstart packaged in webos 3.x doesn't support chroots) Aug 27 01:37:21 PatrickC_TP: it's an arrow not a greater than sign Aug 27 01:37:30 Cerealklr: fixing it :) Aug 27 01:37:31 my computer runs webos Aug 27 01:37:38 Satellite: ah Aug 27 01:37:41 in a virtual machine lol Aug 27 01:37:44 mine does too...but only as an emulator Aug 27 01:37:46 PatrickC_TP: Wait ,you're working on that? Aug 27 01:37:47 I came in late on the conversation :) Aug 27 01:37:58 Cerealklr: no, I was asking if you were lol Aug 27 01:38:19 yea, but i'm havin' a lot of trouble with it. Aug 27 01:38:20 I should have re-worded that.. Aug 27 01:38:27 that's not good Aug 27 01:38:40 Satellite: I suggest you check out playon Aug 27 01:38:44 brb Aug 27 01:39:08 It will allow you to stream from your computer to your touchpad. Aug 27 01:40:28 also, for a free solution, PS3 Media Server should support the TouchPad very soon. Aug 27 01:40:39 orb? Aug 27 01:40:53 or there's orb as well, I'm sorry for forgetting that one Aug 27 01:41:10 does orb work on webos? Aug 27 01:41:26 I used orb to stream to my wii over the web browser Aug 27 01:41:33 I believe so...I saw a thread about it the other day. Aug 27 01:43:01 I suuuure hope someone coded a fart machine, I dunno what I would do without that app Aug 27 01:43:11 rwhitby, wiki page is up. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/DebianChroot Aug 27 01:43:44 do any of these have touchpad apps LarrySteeze? Aug 27 01:43:49 pezman726: sweet Aug 27 01:44:35 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/294298-orb-media-streaming-awesome.html Aug 27 01:45:02 oh it uses flash? wouldn't that be slow on a tablet? Aug 27 01:45:12 no? Aug 27 01:45:14 or does it use hardware acceleration? Aug 27 01:45:18 as slow as youtube Aug 27 01:45:19 They don't have apps currently, they go through the browser Aug 27 01:45:22 not slow but I mean choppy Aug 27 01:45:40 the snapdragon has a built in 3d accelerator Aug 27 01:45:41 :) Aug 27 01:45:43 and with that, I'm done for the night Aug 27 01:45:59 I haven't experienced any choppiness Aug 27 01:46:02 that's how you can play 3d games Aug 27 01:46:06 in youtube that is Aug 27 01:46:17 as long as the quality is good and it isn't choppy I'm happy Aug 27 01:46:19 in fact, some say it's faster than tegra Aug 27 01:46:38 as long as you're on the same network, you shouldn't have any issues...the only issue you may have is battery life Aug 27 01:46:44 thanks for the assistance all day rwhitby, and I'll test those patches Monday morning for you and ka6sox Aug 27 01:47:00 orb shoots it to the net I think Aug 27 01:47:13 aka, you can access orb at work Aug 27 01:47:18 I have an iPad2 and a Samsung Galaxy 10.1 and I like webOS better than iOS Aug 27 01:47:38 I'm a bigger fan of PS3MS :P...but I think we have gotten a bit off topic for this room Aug 27 01:47:38 if you like flash, you like webos Aug 27 01:47:39 :) Aug 27 01:48:14 also, if you like not having to download skype, pandora, youtube, aim, apps Aug 27 01:48:16 PS3MS is pretty good, I use it with my PS3 Aug 27 01:48:23 LarrySteeze: Keep me update on your quest to get Touchpads Aug 27 01:48:23 Ironsight: well I'm a sucker for native apps Aug 27 01:48:26 I prefer native Aug 27 01:48:33 Update? Updated. :I Aug 27 01:48:33 Sine0t: will do Aug 27 01:48:42 It's an O, silly, not a zero~ Aug 27 01:48:51 :P Aug 27 01:49:05 SineOt: I've secured one for internals folk...9 more to go. Aug 27 01:49:29 I scored one if they ship it this month Aug 27 01:49:31 We're going to camp Best Buy tomorrow morning and see if there's any stock coming in. Lots of talk of Friday/Saturday being the last shipments, so… Who knows Aug 27 01:49:49 SineOt: does your BBY have a limit on the number you can buy? Aug 27 01:49:58 1 per SKU per person Aug 27 01:50:04 nice Aug 27 01:50:05 :) Aug 27 01:50:12 So one 16 and one 32 per person Aug 27 01:50:14 what time does best buy open? Aug 27 01:50:22 10 AM Aug 27 01:50:25 * Ironsight nods Aug 27 01:50:30 what time should we get there? Aug 27 01:50:40 * Ironsight checks local stock Aug 27 01:50:41 We rolled up at about 9:20 and all the stock had been claimed Aug 27 01:50:44 So… Earlier than that Aug 27 01:50:47 if you can convince friends to come along and not take the tablets, I'll buy as many off you as you will part with just to get them to webos-internals folks Aug 27 01:51:07 oh that's a good idea Aug 27 01:51:26 Checking stock is basically useless, Ironsight. It's very very slow to update and even when there IS stock, it often reports as unavailable Aug 27 01:51:50 SineOt, what time zone are you in? Aug 27 01:52:02 LarrySteeze: we'll see what we can do. I have a feeling it'll just be the two of us Aug 27 01:52:03 PST Aug 27 01:52:24 If you call your local BB and provide the SKU, they can tell you if there are any in transit or at least allocated Aug 27 01:52:35 when do trucks come to deliver the things? Aug 27 01:52:40 everyday? Aug 27 01:52:49 Ironsight: every day but sunday and monday, supposedly Aug 27 01:52:57 Varies. Some come in early, some come in way late Aug 27 01:52:58 at least according to my bestbuy Aug 27 01:53:15 guess I will camp out Aug 27 01:53:17 Some stores are just outright holding stock until the next morning to sell to those who wait in line Aug 27 01:54:33 Cerealklr: http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/testing/ubuntu-natty-chroot Aug 27 01:54:35 if you are able to get any, buy as many as you can. Aug 27 01:54:55 check the Makefile there Aug 27 01:55:08 anyone know why SDLTerminal doesnt work? Aug 27 01:55:20 LarrySteeze: we'll see what we can do. I know that I'll only be able to get one (debit card!) but she might be able to get another for 3 total Aug 27 01:55:47 there are folks here that develop for the platform in need. If you can't sell them to internals people in one day, I'll buy them off you and hold them until internals folks are able to buy. Aug 27 01:56:04 just so you don't have the cash missing problem Aug 27 01:56:22 LarrySteeze: for sure! I'm one of those people that want one to develop but can't get my hands on one :( Aug 27 01:56:31 i know Aug 27 01:56:32 I want to get one more touchpad for the sister somehow, dunno how though; Aug 27 01:56:45 wait for hp.com to get them back in stock .. ebay .. Aug 27 01:56:49 is BBY the only place still getting stock? Aug 27 01:56:58 i picked mine up at Wal-Mart last weekend Aug 27 01:57:01 I think hp.com will get a lot more though to be honest Aug 27 01:57:14 Best Buy is probably the only place that may have stock incoming in a brick and mortar store any time soon Aug 27 01:57:37 Online, I assume that HP.com will get a ton more but as far as walk in walk out with one in hand, Best Buy is probably the last hope right now Aug 27 01:57:42 you could try calling up local places that never dropped price to see if they have any hanging out Aug 27 01:58:26 … Unless you want to lease one for a total of 180$ along with a crappy HP laptop from Aaron's :U Aug 27 01:59:44 at the end can you buy the touchpad and not the laptop? Aug 27 01:59:45 according to my local best buy... they only got them a couple of days ago, and they aren't supposed to get any more in Aug 27 02:00:03 yeah but hp.com will probably go out of stock like minutes after getting them in stock Aug 27 02:00:09 yeah Aug 27 02:00:12 more like seconds Aug 27 02:00:17 LarrySteeze: I guess you could? It's a year lease contract though, so even if you -didn't- buy the laptop at the end you still sunk in 1200$ Aug 27 02:00:17 too many greedos out there Aug 27 02:00:18 =/ Aug 27 02:00:25 yeah I hate those reselling jackasses Aug 27 02:00:35 someone will spend like 40,000 to sell for 400 a piece Aug 27 02:00:43 radioshack is sold out, probably permanently. Aug 27 02:00:51 no surprise there Aug 27 02:00:57 radioshack hah Aug 27 02:00:58 oh I thought you meant 180 total Aug 27 02:01:04 Does anyone know how Mojo compatibility mode works? Is it essentially just an app that launches mojo apps? Aug 27 02:01:05 where i got mine :D Aug 27 02:01:06 If so, is there any information on the wiki that would help me create my own "mojo" launcher? Aug 27 02:01:14 For the TOuchpad, yeah, it's 180 total. Aug 27 02:01:24 They won't lease you the Touchpad at all though unless you ALSO lease a laptop. Aug 27 02:01:32 gotcha Aug 27 02:01:34 at aarons? Aug 27 02:01:47 Mmhm. Aug 27 02:01:48 * Ironsight has 3 gaming laptops :( Aug 27 02:01:49 bah...missed getting Kung Fu Panda 2 for free :( Aug 27 02:01:49 I hope hp.com puts a limit on the number each person can buy Aug 27 02:02:07 But it's varying by store, apparently… Some have been letting you buy them, cash right then and there, for about 140-160 and they include a case. Aug 27 02:02:22 that's not a bad deal Aug 27 02:02:22 maybe if hp made a laptop that weighs as much as the macbook air Aug 27 02:02:36 The only one that has stock in Southern California though is doing 180 and requires you to lease a TV or a laptop at the same time. Aug 27 02:02:52 horrid Aug 27 02:03:02 i did learn that the iPad1 leather portfolio case from incase works perfectly with the Touchpad Aug 27 02:03:15 not sure if there are any good deals for them right now Aug 27 02:03:15 Very. The guy on the phone sounded like a jackass anyways. "How many do you have in stock." "Uh, enough why" :I Aug 27 02:03:36 * Ironsight helps you rob that jerk Aug 27 02:03:37 :) Aug 27 02:03:50 get the glass cutter! Aug 27 02:03:53 * Ironsight picks up a brick Aug 27 02:04:41 SineOt: what chain is that? Aug 27 02:04:44 Not worth a felony for a 99$ tablet :p Aug 27 02:04:51 :) Aug 27 02:04:53 Satellite: Aaron's. Rent to own type place Aug 27 02:05:01 ah yeah Aug 27 02:05:06 hell, they rob people blind at aarons Aug 27 02:05:22 those "rent to own" places are cons if I ever saw em Aug 27 02:05:41 end up spending 500 dollars for a monitor Aug 27 02:05:42 Yup. I'd have bit the bullet and picked up a touchpad with case for 140, sure, but 180 + requiring me to lease a TV or Laptop… Nah. Aug 27 02:05:50 1200 for a 300 dollar desktop Aug 27 02:06:07 I picked up a touchpad for 130 Aug 27 02:06:18 if I can squeeze one more touchpad order through hp.com somehow I'll be a happy boy Aug 27 02:06:23 what happens if lease both...after one month decide to return the laptop, but lost the tablet? Aug 27 02:06:58 oh yeah, you said it's a yearly lease Aug 27 02:06:59 LarrySteeze: given the horror stories I've heard about Rent a Center in the past… I'd rather not find out Aug 27 02:07:33 rwhitby: ka6sox: what needs to be tested with the Debian chroot? I'm willing to try to test tonight/tomorrow Aug 27 02:10:04 Should the WebOS doc and meta-doctor be using around 7gb on my touchpad ? Aug 27 02:10:38 hey all-- anyone know if there's a way to force a "first-time" run? I took it out w/meta-doctor but actually want to sign in now.. Aug 27 02:10:56 NitroJunk: huh? Aug 27 02:11:20 BrettQ: ka6sox has some patches to the postinst to better check for a mounted ext3fs so that we don't fill /root for folks who don't read the instructions, and to add a non-priv user to the chroot Aug 27 02:11:57 I did the stuff to put the UbuntuChroot on my TP and now it shows about 7gb used Aug 27 02:12:15 fattire_: two choices: run Impostah, or do an erase apps and data. Aug 27 02:13:00 what's Impostah? remember I'm not logged in so I can't get to the catalog thing... I want my 50gb from box.net tho so I need to log in. Aug 27 02:14:07 rwhitby: just re-doctored my TP. can i just clone from git and apply the patches? Aug 27 02:14:19 BrettQ: /msg ka6sox your email address Aug 27 02:14:22 ok Aug 27 02:14:34 at this point, I'm ready to grab my hot spot Aug 27 02:14:46 seen cryptk Aug 27 02:14:48 anyone else here on comcast and having frequent drops of service? Aug 27 02:15:10 Cerealklr: its Aug 27 02:15:15 fattire_: Impostah is in Preware Aug 27 02:15:17 NitroJunk: Did you vet your question answered? Aug 27 02:15:18 ~seen cryptk|offline Aug 27 02:15:21 Was just looking it up Aug 27 02:15:25 i haven't seen 'cryptk|offline', PatrickC_TP Aug 27 02:15:28 It's been a while. =D Aug 27 02:15:31 lol Aug 27 02:15:32 fattire_: it's the one that I said would blow your mind if you though meta-doctor was good Aug 27 02:15:44 LarrySteeze: not that I saw Aug 27 02:15:57 It works fine I was just wondering if I missed something Aug 27 02:15:59 rwhitby: how do I get to preware..? I think we decided to leave it out-- and if I have to get it from the catalog I can't... Aug 27 02:16:03 seems like alot fo space ? lol Aug 27 02:16:10 of* Aug 27 02:16:11 fattire_: http://install.preware.org/ Aug 27 02:16:26 rwhitby: thank you, sir Aug 27 02:19:28 alright Aug 27 02:19:37 hotspot is set up and ready Aug 27 02:19:55 if comcast drops the connection one more time, I'm switching to 4g :-\ Aug 27 02:19:57 does anyone have a clue how much would be involved to get the Touchpad to tether to an adhoc wifi hotspot? Aug 27 02:20:29 BrettQ, don't set it up as adhoc Aug 27 02:20:37 set it up as infrastructure Aug 27 02:21:02 believe me, if it was possible, i would Aug 27 02:21:15 Nokia E7 via JoikuSpot = adhoc Aug 27 02:21:17 it's an atheros 6k i think Aug 27 02:21:46 ar6000 is the module that gets inserted Aug 27 02:22:36 you could always do what I was doing this past weekend and use a computer as a middle man with conectify Aug 27 02:24:48 NitroJunk: don't know if my last message before I got disconnected last time went through...or if it did I don't know if you responded. Here's what I said: Are you sure it's taking up that much space? Did you use the meta-doctor to partition? Aug 27 02:24:51 debian squeeze chroot is in the testing feed Aug 27 02:25:45 bpadalino: thanks, i'll start there Aug 27 02:26:14 seriously, am I the only east coast (usa) person here? Aug 27 02:26:19 Nope Aug 27 02:26:23 LarrySteeze: no Aug 27 02:26:23 Ohio! Aug 27 02:26:26 yea, everyone else is in an underground hurricane bunker Aug 27 02:26:28 SC Aug 27 02:26:30 i'm close enough to count Aug 27 02:26:33 =D Aug 27 02:26:42 i just waved to Irene Aug 27 02:26:43 I don't think so cereal :P Aug 27 02:26:51 LarrySteeve: shhh! Aug 27 02:26:58 Am I the only one having connectivity issues? Aug 27 02:27:09 hellllooooo debian! Aug 27 02:27:16 Am I the only one with large tufts of hair missing due to Upstart? Aug 27 02:27:18 * dwc- installs Aug 27 02:27:22 well, you are the one in here having the worst connection issues Aug 27 02:27:40 I mean when I'm connecting through my Clear (4g only) hotspot because it's more reliable than comcast, we have issues Aug 27 02:28:06 Larry, it's showing that in the device info section of the TP. I think I did the partition part correctly, I removed the # from EXT3FS and added = 2GB Aug 27 02:28:19 and saved the file Aug 27 02:28:27 and I don't know if it's hurricane related or not Aug 27 02:28:52 NitroJunk: and on initial boot, it's showing that you only have 7 GB left? Aug 27 02:29:18 8.7gb available from 16gb Aug 27 02:29:26 and you've loaded nothing? Aug 27 02:29:46 no photos, videos, music, etc? Aug 27 02:30:23 Did I disconnect again? Aug 27 02:30:31 sorry Aug 27 02:30:39 oh its ok, I was just worried Aug 27 02:31:01 I figured if the hotspot AND comcast were crapping out, it meant it's time for me to go to bed Aug 27 02:31:24 I have a few things on here, maybe I just have more used space then I think Aug 27 02:31:48 do you have xterm installed yet NitroJunk? Aug 27 02:31:58 Yeah Aug 27 02:32:08 because WITHOUT a partition, and nothing loaded on it, my wife's is down to 13 GB Aug 27 02:32:34 yeah...only /media/internal/ shows up as free space, right? Aug 27 02:32:51 The Ubuntu works fine, I thought I might have goofed the partition somehow Aug 27 02:33:23 see how much media you've actually put on it Aug 27 02:33:38 debian chroot is in the testing feed!! thanks again rwhitby. updating my install now Aug 27 02:33:41 if you only partitioned 2 gb off, it should show around 11 Aug 27 02:34:11 Oh ok Larry, now I feel like an ass lol. I wasnt thinking 16gb!=16gb Aug 27 02:34:24 pezman726: thanks! Aug 27 02:34:49 it is 16 gb, but software and media takes up space Aug 27 02:35:13 plus you partitioned 2 gb off the top, bringing your disk down to "14 gb" Aug 27 02:35:26 webos takes space Aug 27 02:35:27 Yeah, that's what I meant. I wasnt thinking about the OS derp Aug 27 02:36:09 I appreciate your time Aug 27 02:36:16 whats the word, everyone? Aug 27 02:36:26 that's what I'm here for Aug 27 02:38:27 we should make a touchpad only feed on preware... Aug 27 02:38:51 LarrySteeze: every app can set the compatible devices in it's meta-data Aug 27 02:39:12 that's true Aug 27 02:39:26 but every app is technically compatible with the touchpad Aug 27 02:40:19 Oh man this is awesome, now with the Chromium browser the web-based xbmc remote works !! Aug 27 02:40:58 NitroJunk: it didn't work in the webkit browser shipped with the touchpad? Aug 27 02:41:18 anyone notice the internet is sluggish on touchpad Aug 27 02:41:45 not for me grandy Aug 27 02:41:47 Larry, it wouldnt work for me Aug 27 02:41:57 It would just show a blank page Aug 27 02:42:11 ah....I hadn't tried it, just figured it would work Aug 27 02:42:25 sluggish for me Aug 27 02:42:30 like its not running full speed Aug 27 02:43:20 have you installed any patches? Aug 27 02:45:03 well... I have to get up early ... so I should head out Aug 27 02:45:11 G'night, LarrySteeze|TP Aug 27 02:45:25 night Aug 27 02:45:27 Bye Larry, thanks again Aug 27 02:46:20 and good luck grandy....if you haven't unthrottled your download manager, make sure you do that Aug 27 02:47:55 actually heck Aug 27 02:48:10 I don't want to flood you guys with my connect/disconnects if comcast keeps acting up Aug 27 02:48:22 so I'll just catch up with you tomorrow. adios. Aug 27 02:48:23 hehe you were right, this preware thing is great Aug 27 02:48:56 fattire_: it's a well-kept secret ;) Aug 27 02:49:07 lol Aug 27 02:50:52 anyone know pezman's twitter id? Aug 27 02:51:45 rwhitby: have you checked if he lists it on the PC forums? Aug 27 02:53:00 nevermind that Aug 27 02:53:06 not listed on his contact info **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 27 02:59:57 2011