**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 27 02:59:57 2011 Aug 27 03:04:58 IM IN Aug 27 03:05:02 GUYS Aug 27 03:05:05 WOOO Aug 27 03:05:23 I don't want to claim it's fully functional yet. I'm sure there's plenty of stuff waiting to be proven brok-- Aug 27 03:05:28 speak of the devil, I guess. Aug 27 03:05:35 hmm Aug 27 03:05:43 so it still doesn't work as non-root Aug 27 03:05:47 which is strange Aug 27 03:05:52 =D Aug 27 03:06:06 well, i've made appreciable progress towards getting netbook remix fully functional Aug 27 03:06:21 I found a gentleman who had similar issues with upstart not working when confined to a chroot Aug 27 03:06:31 who took the liberty to build a faux-upstart Aug 27 03:06:52 that drops in pretty neatly and works for most services without needing any modifications to their init configs Aug 27 03:07:03 figures, dbus needed some work, but I figured out some flags to remove that made it launch Aug 27 03:07:18 Cerealklr, where is his code? and what license is it under? Aug 27 03:07:33 http://git.balabit.hu/?p=gyp/upstart-dummy.git;a=summary Aug 27 03:07:36 http://gyp.blogs.balabit.com/2011/01/using-upstart-in-a-chroot/ Aug 27 03:07:43 GPLv2 Aug 27 03:07:53 actually Aug 27 03:08:00 the first was GPLv2, the second is public domain now Aug 27 03:08:03 woo Aug 27 03:08:08 cryptk: ping Aug 27 03:08:37 Cerealklr, pong Aug 27 03:09:05 =D I hear you're the man to speak to about upstart/dbus issues in the ubuntu chroot. I've come up with some crazy hackarounds that are partially successful Aug 27 03:09:25 yep, you are using the same info as me Aug 27 03:09:28 but if theirs a legitimate means of getting them working (e.g. an upgrade path to get WebOS's upstart up to date) I'd love to hear it Aug 27 03:09:39 there isn't Aug 27 03:09:39 there's* Aug 27 03:09:42 Well poop Aug 27 03:09:45 upstart relies on having PID of 1 Aug 27 03:09:50 which it will not be able to have in a chroot Aug 27 03:09:55 hence you need to replace it Aug 27 03:09:59 Well, my shining ray of hope that I know about Aug 27 03:10:03 is that upstart 0.9 and later Aug 27 03:10:10 support chroots Aug 27 03:10:33 basically, the outer upstart will honour requests sent to the inner one as inner-root Aug 27 03:10:36 yep Aug 27 03:10:39 but keep them sandboxed Aug 27 03:10:51 ofc, I can't figure out a way to upgrade WebOS's version Aug 27 03:10:57 if you have upstart > 0.9 then you don't need the hackarounds Aug 27 03:11:18 I haven't checked what version oneric uses, but I would /assume/ that it is > 0.9 Aug 27 03:11:29 Debian chroot seems to work Aug 27 03:11:41 yep, because deb uses upstart > 0.9 Aug 27 03:12:07 cryptk: Not the issue Aug 27 03:12:16 Natty's upstart is up to date Aug 27 03:12:19 its 0.9.7 Aug 27 03:12:23 the issue is WebOS's Aug 27 03:12:26 which is pitifully out of date Aug 27 03:12:30 its like 3.8 Aug 27 03:12:38 if we can find a safe upgrade path for it Aug 27 03:12:38 yep Aug 27 03:12:41 then I think we'd be good to go Aug 27 03:13:19 let me knwo how it go's for you ;) Aug 27 03:13:21 rwhitby: I could certainly be wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if ubuntu relies on upstart more heavily than debian (if debian uses it by default at all) since upstart was built for ubuntu in the first place. Aug 27 03:13:46 that is correct Aug 27 03:13:46 cryptk: I can't figure out how to. =P I started trying to compile things in scratchbox Aug 27 03:13:53 then ran into a ridiculous net of dependency issues Aug 27 03:13:56 and tried to do it on device Aug 27 03:14:17 in my ubuntu chroot itself (no way to easily get gcc etc. in WebOS) Aug 27 03:14:32 ran into the same dependency issues (derp, don't know why I thought i'd escape them that way) Aug 27 03:14:57 and decided it would be better off for someone with a bit more experience or at least a day when I had a bit more sleep under my belt Aug 27 03:15:52 * cryptk has a plate which is currently at capacity Aug 27 03:16:07 * Cerealklr understands Aug 27 03:17:23 Well, as they say Aug 27 03:17:29 the good is the enemy of the great Aug 27 03:17:38 and this hackaround is actually probably good enough to package Aug 27 03:18:05 looks like everything works now Aug 27 03:18:16 except for the aforementioned issue with attempting to have multiple users Aug 27 03:18:22 and the process to get here is pretty easy to automate Aug 27 03:18:26 now that I know what i'm doing Aug 27 03:25:28 rwhitby: is it best to leave the lvm partitions alone on tp? where would you recommend /data be for the people trying to use android userland? Aug 27 03:27:23 tmzt_: I would recommend the same technique we use for ext3fs Aug 27 03:27:36 which is? Aug 27 03:44:20 tmzt_: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Chrooting Aug 27 03:45:46 BrettQ: BTW, that page is obsolete, we don't recommend changing /var Aug 27 03:46:00 optware is done from ext3fs or a loop from /media/cryptofs Aug 27 03:47:28 rod i heard you want to use #webosworld Aug 27 03:48:17 highly recommended that nobody actually executes this process yet Aug 27 03:48:27 PuffTheMagic: I was told you're working on packaging hulu patch for quickinstall Aug 27 03:48:31 but i'm building a page on getting netbook remix running in Xecutah on top of the ubuntu chroot Aug 27 03:48:34 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Netbook_Remix Aug 27 03:48:58 Please by all means fix any minor issues you gues see or ping me about big ones (don't want to waste your time) Aug 27 03:49:07 im making something you can click on in Preware that will "fix it" Aug 27 03:49:13 right Aug 27 03:49:28 i'm stumbling on how to package that up, sort of wanted to do it as a learning experience Aug 27 03:49:31 PuffTheMagic: postinst rather that a patch? how will you handle OTA updates? Aug 27 03:49:38 s/that/than/ Aug 27 03:49:38 rwhitby meant: PuffTheMagic: postinst rather than a patch? how will you handle OTA updates? Aug 27 03:49:57 i think i understand the plain diff patches Aug 27 03:50:01 but not the autopatch Aug 27 03:50:23 rwhitby: not sure yet Aug 27 03:50:28 im open to ideas Aug 27 03:50:54 PuffTheMagic: we could do the first bspatch Aug 27 03:51:03 rwhitby: in the Makefile, I can include a simple patch, how about a bspatch? Aug 27 03:51:18 PuffTheMagic: eguadet put it in, and we did a test user agent thing in nonworking, but haven't deployed anything Aug 27 03:51:27 that seems over kill Aug 27 03:51:34 how does the autopatch recovery work Aug 27 03:51:45 this can be uninstalled with sed just like its installed Aug 27 03:51:46 Cerealklr: the efl based unr? Aug 27 03:51:51 and there will be a backup Aug 27 03:51:55 of the file Aug 27 03:52:18 tmzt_ hmm? Aug 27 03:52:46 PuffTheMagic: the AUPT scripts detect if a file has been overwritten by an OTA, and allows the remove to be a noop in that case Aug 27 03:52:50 what does enl stand for? Aug 27 03:53:06 PuffTheMagic: so that a patch upgrade works whether the file has been OTA'd or not Aug 27 03:57:32 rwhitby: so, let me get this straight.. make a bspatch file.. no backup needed (handled by postinst), and a makefile? that's it? Aug 27 03:57:51 Cerealklr: efl, enlightenment foundation libraries Aug 27 03:57:55 the 2d version from pre natty Aug 27 03:58:02 which works well on non accelerated X Aug 27 03:58:03 tmzt_: yep Aug 27 03:58:19 At least, since everything is listed as unity-2d Aug 27 03:58:21 i'm assuming so Aug 27 03:58:23 =D Aug 27 04:01:00 synace: should be Aug 27 04:09:03 rwhitby: aside from git clone the whole preware/build and running MAKE_PATCH myself how can I deliver this patch? the patches.webos- only accepts plain patches Aug 27 04:11:13 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Adding_patches_through_git applies? Aug 27 04:11:47 nvm, kernel patches, tl;dr i should have read it Aug 27 04:12:53 i think my first cut ipk for hulu fix is ready Aug 27 04:13:49 I am getting a time date error on certain web services and then I notice that my touchpad is running 20 min late Aug 27 04:13:55 ipk? autopatch seems like the cleaner solution Aug 27 04:13:57 how do i change teh time Aug 27 04:14:01 the* Aug 27 04:14:39 NTP Sync? Aug 27 04:14:54 synace, PuffTheMagic is making a patch that has to work a different way than a regular diff patch Aug 27 04:14:56 rwhitby: thanks for the clarification Aug 27 04:15:08 is that an app or are you telling me that i have to find a way to change my router time Aug 27 04:15:30 cryptk: as far as i'm aware, autopatch supports bsdiff patches Aug 27 04:15:56 yup it works Aug 27 04:16:35 so, i've got the bspatch ready and named accordingly, and the makefile all set, just need to distribute Aug 27 04:16:54 git clone finaly finished too.. Aug 27 04:17:25 even my router has the right time so my touchpad is fast even for my router Aug 27 04:17:32 can i command line change the time Aug 27 04:17:35 aargh i've got to learn git better Aug 27 04:18:34 so isnt sed a little more robust than bsdiff? Aug 27 04:18:50 synace, AFAIK the patch portal does not do binary diffs Aug 27 04:18:51 PuffTheMagic: isn't that kind of the problem? Aug 27 04:18:59 cryptk: see: postinst Aug 27 04:19:04 http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/autopatch/postinst Aug 27 04:19:14 synace: how is that a problem? Aug 27 04:19:15 synace, I said patch portal... not autopatch Aug 27 04:19:25 ah, what's the patch portal? :) Aug 27 04:19:30 oh the site Aug 27 04:19:35 yeah, it's just plain diff Aug 27 04:19:41 so my ipk works right now Aug 27 04:19:45 cool Aug 27 04:19:46 it installs and uninstalls fine Aug 27 04:19:57 and doesnt need patch portal Aug 27 04:20:04 synace, I know for sure how the Patch Portal works... I run the thing ;) Aug 27 04:20:06 i just dont know what happens on ota Aug 27 04:20:28 PuffTheMagic, my guess would be that on OTA it would get reverted if the OTA updates flash Aug 27 04:20:47 which would be a good argument for using autopatch Aug 27 04:20:47 PuffTheMagic, so that means it acts like a kernel in that it does its work in the background and leaves an icon on the launcher? Aug 27 04:20:47 PuffTheMagic: and your app wouldn't know about it Aug 27 04:20:53 well that part i know, i mean, how do u tell preware to remove it with out removing it Aug 27 04:21:00 and sed uninstall 'could' damage the file left behind Aug 27 04:21:11 synace: i dont sed uninstall Aug 27 04:21:14 i make a backup Aug 27 04:21:14 backup? Aug 27 04:21:15 synace, the uninstall would be restoring the original Aug 27 04:21:16 and copy it back Aug 27 04:21:30 PuffTheMagic: you'd have to make 3 copies.. 1 orig, 1 modified, 1 modified backup Aug 27 04:21:42 no Aug 27 04:21:44 1 copy Aug 27 04:21:46 on uninstall, compare current vs modified backup, if same, restore orig Aug 27 04:21:46 the orig Aug 27 04:21:46 no you wouldn't Aug 27 04:21:51 you would just need the orig Aug 27 04:21:58 esle, leave it, since it's an OTA updated file Aug 27 04:22:03 if there is an OTA, then you would want to re-modify the new file Aug 27 04:22:10 rather than dropping in the old modified one Aug 27 04:22:13 cryptk: if the same patch applies Aug 27 04:22:16 if an OTA mods it you should just leave it alone right? Aug 27 04:22:18 yep Aug 27 04:22:27 ka6sox: exactly Aug 27 04:22:32 hence 3 copies Aug 27 04:22:33 so i need to run md5sum in the postinst Aug 27 04:22:34 synace, it needs to be idempotent Aug 27 04:22:39 and log the "modified md5" Aug 27 04:22:41 sure PuffTheMagic Aug 27 04:22:45 then check it on prerm Aug 27 04:23:04 thats simple enough Aug 27 04:23:18 cryptk: so, how's this portal work, is that the only way to submit patches? (not via git?) Aug 27 04:23:23 I assume that its going to be app version specific right Aug 27 04:23:24 ? Aug 27 04:23:41 ka6sox: me or synace? Aug 27 04:23:56 PuffTheMagic, if you are doing the binary patch then you. Aug 27 04:24:00 cryptk: i've got the bspatch if i only knew how to distibute it ;) Aug 27 04:24:10 ka6sox: im doing sed not binary patch Aug 27 04:24:25 i dont like the idea of binary patch Aug 27 04:24:29 me neither Aug 27 04:24:34 esp since what needs changing is plain text Aug 27 04:24:35 okay so if thats the case. Aug 27 04:24:36 synace, you can put ina patch via git if you have commit access and you know how the autobuilder works Aug 27 04:24:40 err, a string Aug 27 04:24:55 you need to check which version you are patching Aug 27 04:24:57 with your sed Aug 27 04:25:41 cryptk: no git commit, my first day with webos-internals, and i'm only toying at the moment. i can post it if it will help someone else out, but i saw it as sort of a nice small task as a learning experience Aug 27 04:26:14 ka6sox: or md5 hash Aug 27 04:26:51 different days of the same build will give you a different hash Aug 27 04:27:04 thankyou web internals because the date command does work from the command line Aug 27 04:27:11 PuffTheMagic: make a table of md5s to sed commands & reverse (patched md5s to orig files) Aug 27 04:27:29 ka6sox: ahh, that's a snag in that strategy :/ Aug 27 04:27:39 synace: u said that a few lines up ;) Aug 27 04:28:45 just eager to have an actual distributed patch Aug 27 04:28:53 hoping to learn something along the way Aug 27 04:30:11 PuffTheMagic, what file are you patching? Aug 27 04:30:18 just libflash Aug 27 04:30:25 cryptk: something like this: http://pastebin.com/MkmKBgB5 ? Aug 27 04:32:52 i heard its REALLY hard to install ubuntu to the touchpad ? Aug 27 04:33:37 Valek, who did you hear that from? Aug 27 04:33:45 ok md5sum checking done Aug 27 04:33:57 i was reading on google about it and it said its by no means for the faint of heart Aug 27 04:34:04 i assumed that means its really hard to do Aug 27 04:34:17 synace: still going down your road or do u want to try my ipk? Aug 27 04:34:23 PuffTheMagic: cool Aug 27 04:34:29 i'd go both ways ;) Aug 27 04:34:38 i've already patched mine manually via ssh Aug 27 04:34:42 Valek, you mean a TOTAL replacement of webOS with Ubuntu? Aug 27 04:34:58 its a dual boot isnt it? Aug 27 04:35:02 synace: if i knew u were doing this before i started i would have let you continue ;) Aug 27 04:35:03 i just think i'd be cool to learn how to contribute back to preware Aug 27 04:35:09 but i've already got this working to distrbute Aug 27 04:35:11 Valek, I don't dualbute Aug 27 04:35:12 for what reason would i wanna run ubuntu on my touchpad anyway? Aug 27 04:35:25 okay let me backup here Aug 27 04:35:27 PuffTheMagic: how do you get the ipk to show up in the quickinstall? Aug 27 04:35:29 what is your objective? Aug 27 04:35:49 valek ^^ Aug 27 04:35:54 synace: i've never used quickinstall so idk Aug 27 04:36:04 but preware detects it just fine if i palm-install it Aug 27 04:36:10 PuffTheMagic: you just got devmode & load ipk files manually? Aug 27 04:36:22 for testing yes Aug 27 04:36:33 but once its tested i can push it to preware Aug 27 04:36:44 Valek, there is a chroot that is a few clicks away from being installed. Aug 27 04:36:51 and distribution? i thought quickinstall was the preferred delivery method.. oh there's an app on the tablet too? Aug 27 04:37:02 LOL hell no Aug 27 04:37:03 im just curious why anyone would want ubuntu on their touchpad Aug 27 04:37:11 hahah Aug 27 04:37:12 that is the least preferred delivery method Aug 27 04:37:13 heh Aug 27 04:37:20 <- just clicked 'preware' for the first time on tablet Aug 27 04:37:24 the drama in touchdroid is incredible Aug 27 04:37:38 sailerboy, leave it ther. Aug 27 04:37:38 sailerboy: its awesome Aug 27 04:38:03 Valek, I use X11 apps from it to enhance my usability of the TP. Aug 27 04:38:06 PuffTheMagic: so how do you get your ipk into preware? submission process somewhere sort of like the patch process? Aug 27 04:38:30 synace: well i am part of wosi, so i have commit access to the git repos Aug 27 04:38:30 send a patch to rwhitby or PuffTheMagic and have them review it Aug 27 04:38:47 ka6sox: i cant review patches that I know of Aug 27 04:39:02 dont have access to the portal Aug 27 04:39:05 just git Aug 27 04:39:21 PuffTheMagic, no, I mean a diff that he emails you Aug 27 04:39:31 or something like that paste he did. Aug 27 04:39:41 last time i manually added a patch i broke shit Aug 27 04:39:42 ka6sox: PuffTheMagic could just as easily make the bsdiff, this is a simple patch :) Aug 27 04:40:00 chroot + user X server is not "dual boot" Aug 27 04:40:03 i just want to get familiar with it so i can contrbute ;) Aug 27 04:40:08 synace: me and ka6sox are talking about something a level above making the bsdiff Aug 27 04:40:11 not that such a thing really exists, it's a pc-ism Aug 27 04:40:14 tmzt_, I *never* said it was. Aug 27 04:40:17 i've used that before, i just dont care for them Aug 27 04:40:27 PuffTheMagic: right, committing it into the repo, running the make there, etc.. Aug 27 04:40:40 yes? Aug 27 04:40:58 synace, we have an autobuilder that takes things from our repo and builds them for distribution. Aug 27 04:41:07 sailerboy: I'm looking into getting fbdev back on the ca kernel on tp, but I don't have the source yet Aug 27 04:41:13 and you won't like the results Aug 27 04:41:23 i saw the script, was my makefile correct (or at least looked like it could be correct?) Aug 27 04:41:43 thats what I said you need to send to puff or rwhitby. Aug 27 04:41:50 synace, ^^ Aug 27 04:41:58 ka6sox: right, but did it look ok? Aug 27 04:42:20 * ka6sox not qualified to make statement.. Aug 27 04:42:35 I am but a humble BSAFH. Aug 27 04:42:35 ka6sox: it's my understanding that it'd be the first binary diff to use the autopatch process Aug 27 04:42:57 ka6sox: i'm a web developer & some sysadmin Aug 27 04:43:17 i see it this way.... either android will get on the TP and i'll just go with droid, or>.... Aug 27 04:43:19 I do no web dev. Aug 27 04:43:39 droid will never happen, and i'll have to learn how to dev preware just so there's some usable tablet apps on this thing ;) Aug 27 04:44:19 no se Aug 27 04:45:17 I use the apps that were developed for WebOS and a few from the ubuntu chroot...and a whole lot from Optware. Aug 27 04:45:44 i <3 Optware Aug 27 04:46:02 makes me crazy that i have more packages on the TP than i do on a MeeGo device Aug 27 04:46:08 iOS is preware's bitch right now Aug 27 04:46:33 BrettQ, its not difficult to make a bootstrap for your device to use Optware Aug 27 04:46:41 and there are like 35 feeds. Aug 27 04:46:45 yeah? Aug 27 04:46:51 yup Aug 27 04:47:01 Optware even runs on Android machines. Aug 27 04:47:05 mind pointing me somewhere for a start? Aug 27 04:47:20 sure...what arch is your machine? Aug 27 04:47:20 Nokia N950 is arm7l Aug 27 04:47:32 talk to javispedro. Aug 27 04:47:53 i do :) Aug 27 04:48:05 I think he might have that working. Aug 27 04:48:13 didn't realize that it would be easy-ish to get Optware working Aug 27 04:48:27 ya, Aug 27 04:48:44 i mean...with the packages available from Optware on a TP with such great battery life... Aug 27 04:48:48 all: who maintains & commits to the autopatcher? the plain patches are 'PATCH=' are the binary patches 'BS_PATCH=' ? Aug 27 04:48:49 for $99 Aug 27 04:48:54 I use cs08q1armel Aug 27 04:49:12 i ran MAKE_PATCH and it's producing a makefile not much different than I did by hand Aug 27 04:49:13 (same as TP) Aug 27 04:49:21 that's what i was thinking Aug 27 04:49:29 so i should have the same selection of patches Aug 27 04:49:34 er packages Aug 27 04:49:40 yes Aug 27 04:49:44 awesome Aug 27 04:50:20 hmm Aug 27 04:50:25 my sh fails right now Aug 27 04:50:40 PuffTheMagic, post it someplace? Aug 27 04:51:29 always forget what i can do in sh vs. bash Aug 27 04:51:44 bash unavail on webos by default? Aug 27 04:51:45 http://pastebin.com/pTusLpZL Aug 27 04:51:52 PuffTheMagic, thats why I use Tide and xterm Aug 27 04:51:59 Tide to edit and xterm to test Aug 27 04:53:15 DOH! Aug 27 04:53:20 i know why its not working Aug 27 04:53:26 i need to cd into the dir first Aug 27 04:53:34 or do it all relative to / Aug 27 04:53:55 your cp is already / Aug 27 04:54:08 ya but the orig md5sum isnt Aug 27 04:54:30 /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.hulu-fix Aug 27 04:54:52 every statement has a full path in that sh Aug 27 04:55:05 thats the prerm Aug 27 04:55:09 ah Aug 27 04:55:14 in the postinst where i make the md5sum file Aug 27 04:55:18 its all in the plugin dir Aug 27 04:55:31 are you comparing the 2 md5sums? Aug 27 04:56:16 PuffTheMagic, i'm starting to follow.. ka6sox: the patch process just runs the palm packaging with the desired patch files? Aug 27 04:56:49 ka6sox: ya Aug 27 04:56:58 not played with that much. Aug 27 04:57:02 okay Aug 27 04:57:16 so the autopach is just a structured palm application setup around a patch? Aug 27 04:57:35 .. that gets built into an ipk using the patch file as the payload Aug 27 04:57:56 i need to get the palm dev tools Aug 27 04:58:05 (if i want to make apps) Aug 27 04:58:17 you need at minimum palm-package. Aug 27 04:58:33 still relevant: https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/building_your_first_app.html ????? Aug 27 04:58:49 synace: if u have the sdk installed you are set Aug 27 04:59:21 what the F.. virtualbox? Aug 27 04:59:32 synace, for testing in the emu Aug 27 04:59:35 I never use it Aug 27 04:59:37 ahh cool Aug 27 04:59:50 i've got oracle non-free vb4 installed at the moment Aug 27 05:00:01 i try not to use it either Aug 27 05:00:16 sometimes when i dont have a device around and i really need to test i use it Aug 27 05:00:17 4.0.4 actually Aug 27 05:00:17 I don't work on anything with a UI. Aug 27 05:00:31 ose Aug 27 05:00:38 other computer has nonfree Aug 27 05:01:21 correction, I don't work on the UI portion of any app. Aug 27 05:01:43 heh...just realized my el cheapo NAS can use Optware Aug 27 05:02:03 how big is novacom & sdk? Aug 27 05:03:14 i wonder if titantium appcelerator will support webos anytime soon Aug 27 05:03:23 BrettQ, was designed 7yrs ago for that purpose. Aug 27 05:03:58 i see that now Aug 27 05:04:04 BrettQ, most devices seem to NOT use /opt Aug 27 05:04:11 so its a perfect place to add things Aug 27 05:04:19 N950 does not Aug 27 05:04:22 :D Aug 27 05:04:26 which is strange because the N900 did Aug 27 05:04:26 then you are golden Aug 27 05:04:41 Wargh. this is crazy Aug 27 05:04:54 oops, i'm mistaken Aug 27 05:05:02 I almost have user login down for netbook remix (which enables pulseaudio and a variety of other things you can't do as root) Aug 27 05:05:27 seems /opt is the install directory for app store apps Aug 27 05:05:29 Cerealklr: what's the link to the wiki for it? Aug 27 05:05:29 but after everything's successfully started up, it waits a while, and inexplicably crashes (presumably as part of the post session) Aug 27 05:05:41 Cerealklr, are you making a chroot for that? Aug 27 05:05:44 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Netbook_Remix Aug 27 05:05:47 that you will be packaging? Aug 27 05:05:53 PatrickC_TP: It will probably kill your family, be careful Aug 27 05:06:00 ka6sox: I would very much like to, yes. Aug 27 05:06:02 lol Aug 27 05:06:18 if I did anything, it would only be on my touchpad.. not theirs :) Aug 27 05:06:32 when you package it I'd like you to add 2 patches to the postinst Aug 27 05:06:33 is there a list of feature/app requests for webos anywhere? i could plow out a few apps. webos uses html/css/js similar to the appcelerator titanium stack Aug 27 05:07:02 Cerealklr, 1 creates a non-priveledged user, the other verifies that the ext3fs is mounted before unpacking Aug 27 05:07:20 hey tmzt_, can i pm you? Aug 27 05:07:26 ka6sox: noobish linux question, but how do i determine which partition a directory is on? Aug 27 05:07:36 ka6sox: This will be my first time packaging anything that isn't an official enyo or mojo app, so basically I won't even know that wasn't already part of the workflow. Aug 27 05:07:39 =D Aug 27 05:08:03 Cerealklr, okay when its time to package we can talk then. Aug 27 05:08:13 ka6sox: That'd be great. =] Aug 27 05:08:27 BrettQ, lessee... Aug 27 05:08:49 everything eventually is mounted on / Aug 27 05:09:06 that must be it then Aug 27 05:09:12 the command "mount" will tell whats mounted where Aug 27 05:09:19 nothing for /opt showed up in 'df -ah' Aug 27 05:09:23 but its verbose and can be ugly Aug 27 05:09:31 oh Aug 27 05:09:36 du -sh /opt Aug 27 05:09:49 PuffTheMagic: is your app available in preware now? Aug 27 05:10:01 synace, not yet... Aug 27 05:10:10 24.8MB... Aug 27 05:10:22 BrettQ, then something is in there Aug 27 05:10:40 yeah, it's the app storage for the app store Aug 27 05:10:46 ah Aug 27 05:10:55 okay what dirs are there? Aug 27 05:11:01 ka6sox: is there a list of stats? popular preware apps/# of downloads? Aug 27 05:11:22 oh if we only had 5000hrs/day Aug 27 05:11:25 ka6sox: under /opt? Aug 27 05:11:31 synace, I get asked that all the time Aug 27 05:11:36 ka6sox: did I mention i'm a web developer? Aug 27 05:13:05 synace, yep Aug 27 05:13:08 BrettQ, yes Aug 27 05:13:24 what I'm looking for is whether they are "compatible" Aug 27 05:13:30 ka6sox: aside from logs, are # of downloads being tracked? Aug 27 05:14:03 synace, nope Aug 27 05:14:06 there is a folder for each app: MeeToDo, Podcatcher, newsg Aug 27 05:14:28 ka6sox: i don't suppose logrotate is configured for infinity either :( Aug 27 05:14:53 synace, probably it is. Aug 27 05:15:54 quick approach: awstats? Aug 27 05:16:03 ah...there are no folders like bin, etc, lib... Aug 27 05:16:52 there is /opt/maemo/usr/bin, libexec, share Aug 27 05:17:00 wtf Aug 27 05:20:50 mkay, question Aug 27 05:21:25 the archlinux arm chroot will likely be over 60MB, can we have it download from archlinuxarm.org in pmPostInstall, and what should we use for it? Aug 27 05:21:27 synace, we send the preware icon about 1100 times a SECOND. average. Aug 27 05:21:48 is wget available or curl or what Aug 27 05:21:56 crimsonredmk, both Aug 27 05:21:59 i'm 12 and what is this? Aug 27 05:22:33 that's nutz Aug 27 05:22:47 yes, so the logs are HUGE. Aug 27 05:23:04 however Aug 27 05:23:19 that comes from the wiki so it doesn't count I guess Aug 27 05:23:25 lol Aug 27 05:23:46 the ipkg servers are separate and use varnish to keep the load down. Aug 27 05:23:53 nn Cerealklr|asleep Aug 27 05:23:56 perhaps an update to the preware.ipk to track install stats? Aug 27 05:24:09 synace, been talked about Aug 27 05:24:11 yeah, logs will be useless then since varnish will take most of the load Aug 27 05:24:30 varnish has a log that is compatible with Apache Aug 27 05:24:33 varnsih doesn't have any logs? Aug 27 05:24:39 you're logging in varnish? Aug 27 05:24:39 it does Aug 27 05:24:41 yes Aug 27 05:24:45 dunno, I'm not all that interested in how many people are using Preware. Aug 27 05:24:53 "Lots" is a good enough answer :) Aug 27 05:25:05 rwhitby: others are, including developers Aug 27 05:25:17 rwhitby, 1100X/second of that icon being pushed out says "lots" :D Aug 27 05:25:35 yeah, we have had efforts in the past to measure via logs. didn't get off the ground Aug 27 05:25:38 sorry... Aug 27 05:25:57 ka6sox: you're not responsible for others not doing what they said they were going to do Aug 27 05:26:58 it's also a much more pleasant community when folks are not screwing each other over just to get the top-spot in Preware based on downloads or ratings Aug 27 05:27:18 :) Aug 27 05:27:29 each developer can put tracking in their own app if they are interested. Aug 27 05:27:34 ka6sox: those patches were for postinst, right? Aug 27 05:27:36 metrix is one such system that lots of folks use Aug 27 05:27:48 rwhitby: general numbers would be valuable still, to market preware to devs Aug 27 05:27:58 i can see the argument against internal competition Aug 27 05:28:05 synace: devs will come if they want to. Aug 27 05:28:06 BrettQ, yes Aug 27 05:28:16 there's not much need... there's not a whole lot of competition at the moment to preware Aug 27 05:28:32 rwhitby: devs will also come if they don't want to, but are being told they have to because preware is 2% of the market Aug 27 05:28:45 rwhitby: no one develops for IE6 because they 'want to' Aug 27 05:29:20 synace: since preware doesn't have sales, market share isn't a big thing for most devs in Preware Aug 27 05:29:22 there's really only two options in existence today ... official app catalog, and one of the feeds preware has on by default Aug 27 05:29:23 but if ie6 was on it's way in instead of it's way out, it'd be beneficial to have new devs being pushed in Aug 27 05:29:51 (by options, I mean options if one is seeking market share) Aug 27 05:30:05 rwhitby: ahh, so you're saying official catalog vs preware, ok Aug 27 05:30:08 keep the money out, keep the ratings out, keep the download stats out, and everyone seems to get along nicely with each other :) Aug 27 05:30:36 rwhitby: do you ever envision an ecosystem with no offficial app catalog? Aug 27 05:30:57 synace: either their will be, or there want be, in exactly one year time Aug 27 05:31:03 s/want/wont/ Aug 27 05:31:04 rwhitby meant: synace: either their will be, or there wont be, in exactly one year time Aug 27 05:31:42 but preware will still be around i assume :) Aug 27 05:31:47 indeed it will Aug 27 05:32:11 and if there is no app catalog, the user base will be so small that it doesn't matter either way :) Aug 27 05:32:28 the folks who use Preware will still continue to use it in the way they do today Aug 27 05:32:45 and they devs who put stuff in it will continue too Aug 27 05:32:50 s/they/the/ Aug 27 05:32:50 rwhitby meant: and the devs who put stuff in it will continue too Aug 27 05:33:05 the the ones that dont yet, will have too ;) Aug 27 05:34:12 or some other system will arise, perhaps Aug 27 05:34:31 PuffTheMagic: is your ipk distributed yet? which category will it be under? Aug 27 05:34:42 Greetings, Programs Aug 27 05:35:01 synace: just finishing fixed the uninstall Aug 27 05:35:08 it will be in Patches -> Misc Aug 27 05:35:28 oh hey.... hp has the ipaq and the pre2 on EPP pricing Aug 27 05:35:32 oops Aug 27 05:35:34 ka6sox: so i applied the patches Aug 27 05:35:46 but don't i need an ipkg to do the install? Aug 27 05:36:05 PuffTheMagic: now i see why you avoided autopatch Aug 27 05:36:35 :D Aug 27 05:36:46 anyone want to test this ipk Aug 27 05:36:47 but, you'd have a better chance of using it than I Aug 27 05:36:51 BrettQ, yes, you need to package it up. Aug 27 05:36:56 PuffTheMagic: post it Aug 27 05:37:00 so do a 'make package'? Aug 27 05:37:12 and attempt to install it. Aug 27 05:37:21 PuffTheMagic: we should have swapped roles :) Aug 27 05:37:23 synace: well, the AUPT scripts handle a whole lot of cases that PuffTheMagic's sed script will not, and users will have problems in those cases as a result Aug 27 05:37:28 oops, didn't have rootstock Aug 27 05:37:35 * BrettQ apt-gets Aug 27 05:38:02 rwhitby: what cases wont this handle? Aug 27 05:38:07 rwhitby: PuffTheMagic's sed is going to be safe as far as I saw (md5 hash checking), so similar to autopatch & bsdiff Aug 27 05:38:18 synace: but as long as PuffTheMagic puts his email address as the maintainer, and not the WebOS Internals support address, all's cool. Aug 27 05:38:27 lol Aug 27 05:38:32 rwhitby: what cases wont this handle? Aug 27 05:38:42 synace: it won't handle a package upgrade directly after an OTA. Aug 27 05:38:43 Hey guys Aug 27 05:38:58 I had a quick question… what partition is bootie on the touchpad? Aug 27 05:39:03 rwhitby: are you sayig the AUPT can re-patch after OTA? Aug 27 05:39:22 rwhitby: why wont it? Aug 27 05:39:23 synace: Preware does patch upgrades by doing a remove followed by an install of the new version Aug 27 05:39:25 trsohmers: i think i remember hearing it was 8? Aug 27 05:39:41 rwhitby: my ipk should be able to handle that Aug 27 05:39:45 did you check on the wiki trsohmers? the bootie article may have that Aug 27 05:39:46 rwhitby: Puff's method should be fine then Aug 27 05:39:49 the AUPT scripts handle a remove after an OTA by making sure that the file matches the new md5sum of the OTA'd file Aug 27 05:39:53 Checked the wiki Aug 27 05:40:01 Just says it's memory location Aug 27 05:40:03 PuffTheMagic: your ipk will not handle the case where some other patch also modifies the same file Aug 27 05:40:06 says* Aug 27 05:40:08 gotcha Aug 27 05:40:13 PuffTheMagic: the autopatch is the better solution in that it's bundled. Aug 27 05:40:42 rwhitby: puff's actually will, it'll not know the difference between a patched file or an ota update. Aug 27 05:40:43 PuffTheMagic: egaudet spent over a hundred hours on these scripts. There are many corner cases. Aug 27 05:40:56 rwhitby: any reason not to install both chroot packages at the same time? Aug 27 05:40:57 PuffTheMagic: the bsdiff is better in that the same binary can be patched multiple times w/o conflicting Aug 27 05:41:08 BrettQ: they are completely orthogonal Aug 27 05:41:14 synace: exactly Aug 27 05:41:20 synace: So by default bootie is located in partition 8….do you remember where you heard that? Aug 27 05:41:34 synace: i can use sed to uninstall instead of using a backup copy Aug 27 05:41:35 and the AUPT scripts will handle that case, in the same way they handle multiple text patches to the same file Aug 27 05:41:36 craptain was playing w/ bootie Aug 27 05:41:40 that would accomplish the same thing Aug 27 05:41:42 check it though Aug 27 05:41:49 not if the file has changed after OTA Aug 27 05:41:50 great, ty Aug 27 05:42:09 rwhitby: so, now the question is.. how do we properly package & distribute the bsdiff file i have? Aug 27 05:42:13 well anyone can spend the time and do this better Aug 27 05:42:19 i'll test patched versions of both Ubuntu and Debian then Aug 27 05:42:26 PuffTheMagic: egaudet already has. Aug 27 05:42:33 PuffTheMagic: why reinvent the wheel? Aug 27 05:42:35 just need to verify that it installs and launches for Xecutah, right? Aug 27 05:42:36 rwhitby: cryptk said the submission doesn't support binary patches Aug 27 05:42:42 im taliing about the hulu fix Aug 27 05:42:45 submission portal doesn't. Aug 27 05:42:53 but we can put them in manually in the git repo Aug 27 05:42:55 im not messing with bsdiff Aug 27 05:43:01 rwhitby: i'd love your help on this then ;) Aug 27 05:43:36 i've got the bsdiff in hand, and a makefile prepped, though i'm not sure on the variable for the BSPATCH_FILE Aug 27 05:43:54 synace: I'd rather not step of PuffTheMagic's toes if he's keen to do it his way. as long as he uses his email address for the support. Aug 27 05:44:20 rwhitby: good point, 2 packages wouldn't serve much purpose Aug 27 05:44:27 if someone makes a better version they can push it and i will remove mine Aug 27 05:44:36 i started this i didnt realize someone else is making one Aug 27 05:44:40 and im saying they have to stop Aug 27 05:44:47 not? Aug 27 05:44:55 rwhitby: the benefit i was hoping for was to sort of walk the first steps in the patch of support bsdiff in autopatch in a formal process Aug 27 05:45:25 synace: sure, this is a good test case for the first bsdiff patch Aug 27 05:45:46 hi all ... I'm getting a "failed to connect to server" from novaterm Aug 27 05:45:51 rwhitby: we could also use it to patch user-agent for better browsing experience possibly Aug 27 05:45:57 and in the mean time, a hulu fix is pushed to feeds Aug 27 05:45:58 tried everything, nothing helps it seems. running OS X Lion now Aug 27 05:46:02 * dwc- wrote his own, slightly different hulu fix Aug 27 05:46:09 ping me when a bsdiff solution is working Aug 27 05:46:12 PuffTheMagic: thx, was fun discussing Aug 27 05:46:14 synace: if you do, please make sure the app catalog works still Aug 27 05:46:18 dwc-: ? Aug 27 05:46:18 PuffTheMagic: cool Aug 27 05:46:35 dwc-: ahh cause of uagent Aug 27 05:46:52 dwc-: yeah, we'd have to make a GUI based switch in the browser to toggle Aug 27 05:47:24 perhaps more than a simple bsdiff like this need Aug 27 05:47:44 synace: I haven't run into it, but someone else who was talking about it said their app catalog stopped working Aug 27 05:47:57 Question:Does anyone know if there is there any way to change the SKU that a touchpad sends out to create a WebOS account? Aug 27 05:48:16 * dwc- didn't think to test the app catalog afterwards either, but didn't see much of a reason to keep said patch, so undid it Aug 27 05:48:34 rwhitby: i've got git clone of preware, but i don't have the sdk or palm tools Aug 27 05:48:47 get those from developer.palm.com Aug 27 05:49:01 synace: if you run "make toolchain" on a ubuntu machine, build.git will do everything needed Aug 27 05:49:27 umm...now that is a nice feature Aug 27 05:49:51 i swear i wish the MeeGo community was as organized as you guys :) Aug 27 05:50:09 rwhitby: i'm not on my dev box at the moment, didn't wanna setup the whole palm dev env or all of the build essentials Aug 27 05:50:41 synace: build.git will also run on osx if you have a couple of macports utilities installed and the SDK installed Aug 27 05:50:57 so...from the looks of it, the version of Qt is a bit old, right? Aug 27 05:50:57 i do most development on OSX, plus a linux VM for kernel stuff Aug 27 05:51:03 rwhitby: i'm all ubuntu Aug 27 05:51:15 synace: you'll have no problems then Aug 27 05:51:25 rwhitby: and one reluctant mac for ios development Aug 27 05:51:28 BrettQ: Qt is only used for the launcher, no-one does any dev with it Aug 27 05:51:43 BrettQ: and the guy who did it is not around. Aug 27 05:51:49 rwhitby: if i provide the bsdiff could you package & maintain? Aug 27 05:52:03 gotcha Aug 27 05:52:12 * Ironsight tries to think of good QT apps... oh yeah, VLC Aug 27 05:52:13 :) Aug 27 05:52:16 i've been working in QML (QtQuick) most of the year Aug 27 05:52:29 anyone tried a VLC port with it/ Aug 27 05:52:32 ?* Aug 27 05:52:33 which is still a lot of JavaScript Aug 27 05:52:34 synace: I'll help you package it. I have no desire to be the maintainer, since Hulu does not work in Australia Aug 27 05:53:04 rwhitby: i didn't intend on setting up build tools on this machine though :/ Aug 27 05:53:05 BrettQ, that came from this: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/Makefile Aug 27 05:53:21 rwhitby: do i have to build ipk? Aug 27 05:53:34 good luck on the build tools if you can set them up Aug 27 05:54:02 Ironsight, even *I* can do it Aug 27 05:54:03 Cerealklr and I tried on ubuntu servers in vmware, and had total shit luck Aug 27 05:54:09 ka6sox: color me impressed Aug 27 05:54:19 Ironsight: it didn't look too hard, especially since rwhitby said preware make toolchain will handle deps on ubuntu Aug 27 05:54:23 not vmware, I mean virtualbox Aug 27 05:54:33 synace: oh, it won't handle deps Aug 27 05:54:33 Ironsight: Qt tools? Aug 27 05:54:50 synace: WIDK wiki page has the deps needed for our build systems Aug 27 05:54:55 just codesourcery + sdl Aug 27 05:54:57 Ironsight, I just followed the wikipage. Aug 27 05:55:01 so did we Aug 27 05:55:10 and we couldn't get sdl apps to link to sdl Aug 27 05:55:12 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK Aug 27 05:55:24 yeah, we read it :) Aug 27 05:55:34 we followed the guide step by step Aug 27 05:55:42 I don't use vbox Aug 27 05:55:46 if you just want to do build.git stuff, you don't need sb2, just some of the prereqs listed Aug 27 05:55:46 I have vmware Aug 27 05:56:01 it all looked like it worked out fine until we tried to compile an sdl app Aug 27 05:56:16 (doom for one) Aug 27 05:56:33 dtzwill knows about this. Aug 27 05:56:45 maybe I should just turn my old laptop into a build server and say screw it with the virtual machine Aug 27 05:56:58 Ironsight: well, it obviously works for some people, since that's what we use to build the stuff in Preware. No build system is perfect of course, and people set up their computers in different ways. Aug 27 05:57:11 indeed Aug 27 05:57:16 maybe we just have bad luck Aug 27 05:57:16 We don't leave stuff broken that we know about. Aug 27 05:57:25 * Ironsight nods Aug 27 05:57:55 and no-one is under the illusion that the WIDK is a good build system. it's crap, it sucks, and someone should replace it. Aug 27 05:58:02 I'm not accusing you of anything, and I'm not angry or anything, I'm sure we found some sort of anamoly Aug 27 05:58:13 Ironsight: yep, no offence taken. Aug 27 05:58:37 eh.. i had most of the deps, about 11mb shy Aug 27 05:58:56 synace: some of the deps are just for specific widk packages Aug 27 05:59:05 maybe though if palm/hp want us to dev some apps, they will make a current version of "their" build tools to fix the issues for the latest ubuntu/debian/gentoo/whatever Aug 27 05:59:51 At least for decent 3d sdl games Aug 27 06:00:23 or I need to learn a workaround :) Aug 27 06:01:56 Palm supports Windows/Mac only really, since less than 10% of mobile developers use Linux to dev. Aug 27 06:02:05 rwhitby: yeah, i don't think i'm gonna download everything on this box.. (it's my TV/projector/general use desktop) Aug 27 06:02:21 heh, guess I could turn my old laptop into a darwin system Aug 27 06:02:27 that might be doable Aug 27 06:02:38 what kind of laptop is it? Aug 27 06:02:45 asus g60vx Aug 27 06:03:23 intel core2duo nvidia gtx 260m 1gb, 4 gigs of ram... Aug 27 06:04:25 oh nice Aug 27 06:04:26 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBtsjV4PuHQ Aug 27 06:04:39 mute the audio Aug 27 06:05:33 rwhitby ka6sox PuffTheMagic cryptk thanks all for your help on my first getting started day. one of these evenings i'll have to hang behind at the office and use my dev box to build a package Aug 27 06:05:50 have fun... Aug 27 06:06:05 it is a fun road to travel down ;) Aug 27 06:06:08 i'm gonna be pulling long nights next 2 weeks, so i'll probably be playing w/ webos in 3 weeks again Aug 27 06:06:18 unless droid is booting.. just sayin' Aug 27 06:07:19 I'm sure droid of some sort will be booting by then. whether it will be something someone will want to use is another matter ;) Aug 27 06:07:45 honestly, I'd rather have ubuntu anyways ;) Aug 27 06:07:45 can you get hulu on android on a touchpad? Aug 27 06:07:46 rwhitby: yeah, the qualcomm images looked a bit laggy Aug 27 06:07:59 well, they are just a test harness for webOS. Aug 27 06:08:24 rwhitby: hulu and netflix are questionable even on Android devices Aug 27 06:08:45 rwhitby: you don't think that the touchpad was originally intended for android? Aug 27 06:09:18 rwhitby: you're saying the qualcomm image was used only for QA of the hardware? Aug 27 06:09:19 synace: it's clear from the file listings of that dump that it is a production test image used at the factory to test each and every touchpad manufactured Aug 27 06:10:04 rwhitby: i'm not familiar with the QA procedures for device manufacturing like this, they would run a test suite manually like that? Aug 27 06:10:26 synace: they do. factory workers in china Aug 27 06:10:44 They already had the software up and running during development and just used that internally despite shipping something newer (it IS 2.2, after all)... When you already have the tools... Aug 27 06:10:49 Why remake them? Aug 27 06:11:02 rwhitby: it'd be safe to assume there's a single button to click or a single automatic binary to run.. any evidence that's been found yet? Aug 27 06:11:29 "Production Test Tool" is one of the apps in the video Aug 27 06:11:35 Is it possible to downgrade a Pre 2 to 1.4.5? Aug 27 06:11:41 no Aug 27 06:11:52 no 1.4.5 kernel for roadrunner Aug 27 06:11:54 Figured.... Aug 27 06:12:17 Did HP turn off novaterm? Aug 27 06:12:23 no Aug 27 06:12:47 but the device needs to be in dev mode for novaterm to work Aug 27 06:12:49 i'm dying for a Pre3 now Aug 27 06:12:54 Anyone run QT / QML on Pre 2 under Webos 2.x? Aug 27 06:13:00 BrettQ: mine should arrive on Wed-ish Aug 27 06:13:11 Magnetbox: i was talking about that earlier Aug 27 06:13:18 Whatcha got? Aug 27 06:13:28 there are some Qt4 libraries on there, but they're older Aug 27 06:13:31 not really maintained Aug 27 06:13:40 aka...no QML Aug 27 06:13:53 touchpad has some QML files on it, no? Aug 27 06:13:55 Ive run QML on 41.4.5 Aug 27 06:13:56 1.4.5 Aug 27 06:13:58 oh yeah... Aug 27 06:14:00 nm Aug 27 06:14:04 ok webos folks, thx for the knowledges Aug 27 06:14:04 the whole launcher is QML Aug 27 06:14:11 * BrettQ is ashamed Aug 27 06:14:14 :P Aug 27 06:14:40 so is there a compled version of Qt for 2.x around? Aug 27 06:14:46 Qt Creator installs and runs under Ubuntu Chroot Aug 27 06:14:48 btw Aug 27 06:15:30 i'd rather use vim if i could ever get a working Esc key Aug 27 06:15:52 been doing on-device debugging and loving it with QML lately Aug 27 06:16:13 Magnetbox: i've been working on a Google Reader app for a bit Aug 27 06:16:23 BrettQ, you can probably remap vim Aug 27 06:16:27 gave up on Symbian because the performance was horrible Aug 27 06:16:31 sure Aug 27 06:16:37 but it runs amazing on MeeGo Aug 27 06:16:50 of course :) Aug 27 06:17:16 so compiled QT for WeboS 2.x....does it exist? Aug 27 06:18:06 do you have terminal access on the Pre2? Aug 27 06:18:12 yes Aug 27 06:18:14 ed: the editor without need for an escape key or control key Aug 27 06:18:17 check /usr/share/qt4 Aug 27 06:20:12 pez said those sed errors weren't important, right? Aug 27 06:24:36 BrettQ: Doesn't seem like I'm able to find the Pre anymore via terminal... Aug 27 06:24:49 BrettQ: something change in Lion? Aug 27 06:27:54 tons changed in Lion Aug 27 06:28:06 no clue what related to that though :) Aug 27 06:28:11 heh Aug 27 06:28:16 reinstalling the SDK Aug 27 06:28:24 i only use a Mac on Sunday Aug 27 06:28:28 perhaps that will help things Aug 27 06:28:40 I only use a Linux box on Sundays ;) Aug 27 06:29:34 mental note...dpkg -i is not to be used for .ipk files Aug 27 06:29:45 :o Aug 27 06:29:51 BrettQ, I use Tide and xterm to do on-device development Aug 27 06:30:05 i've never used Tide Aug 27 06:30:15 its in Preware testing Aug 27 06:30:29 oh, yes i have used it then Aug 27 06:30:35 So is the WebOS catalog dead now? Aug 27 06:30:39 no Aug 27 06:30:43 ok Aug 27 06:30:51 seems it was offline recently Aug 27 06:30:55 ka6sox: it didn't have QML syntax highlighting Aug 27 06:30:57 so I wasn't sure Aug 27 06:31:11 BrettQ, we can "ask" for that... Aug 27 06:31:36 BrettQ, see if "Ace" (a IDK) has that. Aug 27 06:31:38 i guess i should now...i thought i could just use vim Aug 27 06:32:00 BrettQ, I use vim on the TP...but only if I ssh or novaterm in Aug 27 06:33:27 my main issue is that by day i'm a systems analyst Aug 27 06:33:47 so any dev stuff i work on is on the side and i'm not always at a computer Aug 27 06:34:23 how long should it take to install the ipk for Ubuntu? Aug 27 06:34:34 it's been on Downloading / Installing...nvm Aug 27 06:35:35 wait...does it look like it is downloading even when installing the ipk locally? Aug 27 06:36:31 yes Aug 27 06:36:41 it says "oh...its here" Aug 27 06:36:47 ok, well one down, one to go Aug 27 06:36:55 Ubuntu Chroot installed Aug 27 06:37:01 which one did you test? Aug 27 06:37:28 it was about a 90MB idk Aug 27 06:37:40 i haven't launched it yet though Aug 27 06:37:43 did you apply both patches or only 1? Aug 27 06:37:44 installing debian now Aug 27 06:37:47 both Aug 27 06:38:02 okay did you look @ the ipkg log? Aug 27 06:38:25 where does it dump it? Aug 27 06:38:47 I look @ it when I install stuff. Aug 27 06:38:59 and if anything interesting comes up I email it to myself. Aug 27 06:39:03 Debian showed some sed errors Aug 27 06:39:09 but i think pez knew about those Aug 27 06:40:50 rootstock created a log Aug 27 06:41:21 both installed without error Aug 27 06:41:26 both show up in Xecutah Aug 27 06:42:32 hi Aug 27 06:42:51 okay, try the ubuntu one and tell me if grep webos /etc/passwd gives you output? Aug 27 06:43:08 service error Aug 27 06:43:39 unable to run command: /sbin/initctrl start org.webosinternals.ubuntu-natty-chroot 2>&1 Aug 27 06:44:02 and similar error with debian Aug 27 06:45:30 cryptk, is this the problem we saw with dbuss? Aug 27 06:47:13 nope Aug 27 06:47:28 that is from xecutah trying to run the initscript to start up the chroot Aug 27 06:47:34 yes Aug 27 06:47:48 want me to hit it from xterm? Aug 27 06:48:23 gg novaterm :) Aug 27 06:48:39 BrettQ, did you start an xserver? Aug 27 06:48:47 yes Aug 27 06:49:03 means the upstart script has not been installed properly Aug 27 06:49:08 can anybody tell me what clears the hp logo on the touchpad? Aug 27 06:49:15 is it kernel fblogo or uboot etc. Aug 27 06:49:37 hmmm. Aug 27 06:49:39 trying to boot a kernel with different env and stuck in that screen Aug 27 06:50:01 also can you set env then mem boot a kernel with novacom? Aug 27 06:50:06 we might not have loaded one Aug 27 06:51:07 QtPad upstart # cat org.webosinternals.ubuntu-natty-chroot Aug 27 06:51:07 description "Ubuntu Natty Chroot" Aug 27 06:51:07 exec /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.ubuntu-natty-chroot/bin/start-xterm.sh Aug 27 06:51:35 that's the upstart script Aug 27 06:52:03 tmzt_: source code please? Aug 27 06:52:41 rwhitby: of? it's 2.6.35+tenderloin Aug 27 06:52:42 tmzt_: i.e where's the repo with this stuff that you're referring to? Aug 27 06:53:07 I enabled g_serial and want to see if I can use that a a console Aug 27 06:54:05 can you disconnect from novaterm in bootie? Aug 27 06:59:07 ka6sox: i can run start-xterm.sh and get in Aug 27 06:59:21 i get two messages: Aug 27 06:59:30 groups: cannot find name for group ID 32 Aug 27 06:59:35 groups: cannot find name for group ID 5000 Aug 27 07:02:00 that's only on ubuntu though Aug 27 07:02:13 the debian start-xterm.sh works fine Aug 27 07:02:36 no group messages Aug 27 07:03:10 tmzt_: term Aug 27 07:05:30 ka6sox: your chroot patches are in the feed Aug 27 07:05:53 rwhitby, thanks. Aug 27 07:05:53 are those the ones i'm testing? Aug 27 07:05:58 yes, Aug 27 07:06:03 in testing feed Aug 27 07:06:09 let me test this...brb Aug 27 07:06:12 no webos in /etc/passwd Aug 27 07:06:23 interesting Aug 27 07:06:38 i'm probably going to crash Aug 27 07:06:59 i'll be around in about 6-7 hours to have some more fun Aug 27 07:07:25 rwhitby: day job interrupted the wiki article, but i want to finish that up tomorrow too Aug 27 07:07:44 BrettQ, catch you later...I'll probably be here. Aug 27 07:11:16 hey Aug 27 07:11:28 ... Aug 27 07:11:34 checking OpenSSL header version... not found configure: error: OpenSSL version header not found. Aug 27 07:11:40 anyone seen this before? Aug 27 07:11:56 context? Aug 27 07:12:06 compiling OpenSSH for arm using sb2 Aug 27 07:12:08 yea, it means your configure couldn't find the openssl library headers Aug 27 07:12:23 dwc-: why not though? Aug 27 07:12:34 don't know. check the config.log Aug 27 07:13:28 Kosher: where's the source? Aug 27 07:13:30 it might not be installed, it might not have been included in the path for the compiler to search, etc Aug 27 07:13:48 I compiled it and installed it fine Aug 27 07:14:08 Kosher: where's the source repo so someone can reproduce Aug 27 07:14:39 for which? Aug 27 07:14:51 for the thing you are having a problem with. Aug 27 07:14:57 http://newbrightidea.com/?p=149&cpage=1#comment-19093 Aug 27 07:15:22 skip setting up a cross compiler if you have sb2 Aug 27 07:15:33 the go down to building OpenSSH Aug 27 07:16:10 Kosher: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK Aug 27 07:16:17 yes, I followed that Aug 27 07:16:22 built and ran doom Aug 27 07:17:00 so why are you following a random article which doesn't work then? Aug 27 07:17:06 lol Aug 27 07:17:10 good point Aug 27 07:17:45 got a problem with an article, talk to the author of the article ;) Aug 27 07:17:47 but why wouldn't open ssh just compile? Aug 27 07:17:55 go ahead and skip to the last part Aug 27 07:18:21 shouldn't the toolchain pick up the libraries for openssl and zlib from the sb2 mappings? Aug 27 07:18:33 err, the build tools Aug 27 07:18:41 sure, if you've set it up correctlt Aug 27 07:18:47 and run it correctly Aug 27 07:19:03 and the thing you are compiling is looking in the right places for libs Aug 27 07:19:10 yeah I think that's the issue Aug 27 07:20:03 Kosher: BTW, in future, it's good to lead with "So I'm following these instructions and ...." Aug 27 07:20:35 :) Aug 27 07:22:26 Can you see if you are able to grab the latest tar of OpenSSH and compile it against the build tools? Aug 27 07:23:06 ~questions? Aug 27 07:23:06 remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people. Aug 27 07:23:29 Kosher: why would I do that. OpenSSH is already in Preware Aug 27 07:24:23 Ooook. Aug 27 07:27:06 Seriously, I spent a lot of time getting our build systems to work. Why would I repeat the task on someone else's idea of how to build stuff Aug 27 07:27:27 If people want to reinvent the wheel, fine. Just don't ask me to help. Aug 27 07:27:43 which version of libssl did you build OpenSSH against? Aug 27 07:27:51 I am not trying to by any means Aug 27 07:28:04 I just want to make sure my build system is setup properly for other stuff. Aug 27 07:28:20 Kosher: you already said that you compiled doom successfully, right? Aug 27 07:29:41 Yes, but if SSL is already in the preware packages and I can't even compile openSSH, then it makes me worried that I can even do a basic sanity check for a library outside of the well documented stuff. If I am missing something, pardon my ignorance. Aug 27 07:29:58 can/can't Aug 27 07:30:41 sure, it's not a trivial exercise to get cross-compilation to work reliably. Aug 27 07:31:22 * rrix growls at the arm toolchain's ld, incidentally Aug 27 07:31:39 :( undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned int)' Aug 27 07:32:29 ka6sox: webos user addition to debian chroot works Aug 27 07:32:56 I can understand how you might think I was trying to build open ssh and reinvent the wheel. I apologize for not making my point clear. Aug 27 07:33:16 rwhitby, can you umount ext3fs and try re-installing it? Aug 27 07:34:26 btw, is the libssl.9.8 that I have in my prepare output from me or should there really be two libssl*.so files? Aug 27 07:34:40 prepare/preware Aug 27 07:35:13 I have a libssl.so and a .9.8 one Aug 27 07:36:19 weird, shouldn't libstdc++ get pulled in automatically by g++? lol.. :\ Aug 27 07:36:46 ka6sox: testing adding user to existing chroot now Aug 27 07:37:51 rwhitby: do you have this in your toolchain? rootfs/armv7/usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.8 Aug 27 07:37:53 ld shouldn't see "operator new(unsigned int)'" Aug 27 07:38:17 Kosher: build.git or widk ? Aug 27 07:38:27 whidk Aug 27 07:38:29 widk Aug 27 07:41:14 Kosher: yes Aug 27 07:41:23 ah ok Aug 27 07:41:25 thank you! Aug 27 07:42:18 I'm just going to revert my ubuntu to clean and redo the sb2 stuff. Aug 27 07:43:13 ka6sox: adding webos user to existing chroot works Aug 27 07:45:50 good :D Aug 27 07:47:24 dwc-: gcc wasn't getting -lstdc++ for some reason and I was too tired to notice that until I googled it Aug 27 07:54:27 are any of you using Ubuntu 10.10? Aug 27 07:54:34 Will the toolchain work with this? Aug 27 07:57:34 10.10 on a PC is EoL.. you should use 10.04 or 11.04 Aug 27 07:58:51 k Aug 27 07:59:55 ~seen error454 Aug 27 07:59:59 error454 <~wircer@c-71-237-185-72.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 4d 10h 19m 2s ago, saying: 'do or do not, there is no try - yoda on software development'. Aug 27 08:00:25 * rrix owes him a beer for putting together touchplayer Aug 27 08:10:25 rrix: does it download in Preware yet? Aug 27 08:11:00 * rwhitby checks Aug 27 08:13:01 rwhitby: yup Aug 27 08:13:08 update within the last 24h fixed it Aug 27 08:17:25 rrix: hmm, didn't work for me, and removing isn't working either. Aug 27 08:17:28 time to debug Aug 27 08:18:31 odd Aug 27 08:19:14 looks like appinstaller service was stuck Aug 27 08:19:22 may be just my device. will try a reboot Aug 27 08:59:12 hi Aug 27 09:05:28 hello Aug 27 09:06:02 can somebody help, how can i add paypal donation button to my signature ? Aug 27 09:06:04 thanks Aug 27 09:07:35 panel: https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donate-intro-outside Aug 27 09:08:23 yousm I have created one Aug 27 09:08:49 but in my signature editor cannot insert html Aug 27 09:09:03 Allow HTML No Aug 27 09:09:09 in signature persmissions Aug 27 09:09:42 I'd guess that you can only link to a page that has the button hosted, then Aug 27 09:09:43 is there a scummvm touchpad version ? Aug 27 09:15:37 thanks Aug 27 09:21:13 cryptk, have you seen it? Aug 27 09:21:23 * Jack87 wonders where watercooler channel went Aug 27 09:21:44 the Tekken movie? Aug 27 09:21:45 nope Aug 27 09:22:15 haha seems really cheesy kind of nice for a late night movie no thinking required (i hope) Aug 27 09:22:34 reminds me of van dam streer fighter so far (5min in) Aug 27 09:23:21 lol they are talking about a secret Internet and a device that has 20000 gigs Aug 27 09:27:08 I usually go for stand-up comedy late at night Aug 27 10:31:11 hi Aug 27 10:32:53 anyone around? Aug 27 10:33:53 yes me :) Aug 27 10:34:44 need some help with kernels on a touchpad Aug 27 10:34:50 ~ask Aug 27 10:34:50 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Aug 27 10:35:28 rwhitby, lol did you teach infobot that? Aug 27 10:35:44 ah ah Aug 27 10:36:12 someone know url of a good PDK tutorial (I wrote a C++ binary, that I want to deploy on touchpad) ? Aug 27 10:36:19 I have f15c running and I just upgrade to 3.0.2 and I'd like to use worthog do I need to go back to stock to switch? Aug 27 10:36:54 yes Aug 27 10:37:09 snoogie: you've done the ones on developer.palm.com ? Aug 27 10:37:17 and in the SDK ? Aug 27 10:37:35 thanks I'm really loving webOS but a bit of a learning curve Aug 27 10:40:22 I ll take a look thanks (I just explorer sample from PDK for the moment) Aug 27 11:21:34 how do you achieve the back gesture simulation on pre apps running fullscreen on the touchpad ? Aug 27 11:23:01 elo75, most dev's crated an alternate in the app menu top left corner or a back button somewhere on the app Aug 27 11:23:09 but in some cases you might be SOL Aug 27 11:23:33 created* Aug 27 11:24:01 elo75, before a dev flags their app to run full screen, they need to have added back buttons Aug 27 11:24:02 well, for existing apps I mean.. there's no way ? Aug 27 11:24:12 yeah, sure Aug 27 11:24:30 for existing apps, they run in emulation mode... if back buttons are added then there is a flag you can set in appinfo.json to run it full screen Aug 27 11:24:44 but if alternative back functionality hasn't been added, then that flag should not be set Aug 27 11:25:03 well, pdk apps are run fullscreen no matter the flag is set or not.. Aug 27 11:25:54 yep Aug 27 11:26:28 so unless there are patched/re-released, most will become hardly/not usable, right ? Aug 27 11:26:43 and PDK apps have back buttons... the few that used the gesture area (the vast majority didn't because it was more complex to use gesture than a back button) were not flagged as touchpad compatible Aug 27 11:27:16 but if the dev later updated their app, then they could have it re-reviewed and flagged for the TP Aug 27 11:27:43 ok, i see Aug 27 11:28:06 i'll work on a hd version of my game i guess Aug 27 11:31:10 How does the SDL in webos work with things build for SDL on linux/* ? Aug 27 11:31:59 hi fellas Aug 27 11:32:20 Well, I have Qt built Aug 27 11:32:28 jrabbit: be more specific? Aug 27 11:32:37 hey all Aug 27 11:32:51 hey Aug 27 11:33:02 hi Aug 27 11:33:16 rrix: well does it make a luna card etc? Aug 27 11:33:22 Yep Aug 27 11:33:24 maybe I need to look at the sdl x11 thing Aug 27 11:33:31 You don't need x11 Aug 27 11:33:41 rrix: I know but it'd be an example :P Aug 27 11:33:46 the PDK (and widk) support SDL applications natively in cards Aug 27 11:33:48 rrix: like pygame? Aug 27 11:33:53 Sure, but there's no python Aug 27 11:33:56 python binding to SDL Aug 27 11:34:03 rrix: there is in optware :P Aug 27 11:34:07 I mean there is but -- yes :) Aug 27 11:34:35 Pygame would work, theoretically, as long as it was linked against the device's SDL libraries Aug 27 11:34:39 so I guess I need to compile pygame for wwebos' sdl? Aug 27 11:34:49 I'd imagine so, yup Aug 27 11:34:51 ah so I should use the PDK? Aug 27 11:34:57 hm sounds fun Aug 27 11:35:00 PDK or WIDK if you're on linux Aug 27 11:35:19 I think WIDK is also working in macosx Aug 27 11:36:02 http://kivy.org/docs/index.html Aug 27 11:36:07 whats the WIDK? Aug 27 11:36:13 I'm on osx yes Aug 27 11:36:26 I dwonloaded the SDK/PDK and installed it Aug 27 11:36:41 Kivy might be intresting too since its built for touch Aug 27 11:37:46 the WIDK is WebOS-Internals' port of the WIDK Aug 27 11:37:48 er Aug 27 11:37:48 wow Aug 27 11:37:52 of the PDK Aug 27 11:38:18 ah Aug 27 11:38:28 Why would I want that? Aug 27 11:38:50 jrabbit, because there is no webOS PDK for linux Aug 27 11:39:05 oh it exists for osx though so I'm good i guess Aug 27 11:39:14 thats odd and hilarious that it doesn't exist on linux Aug 27 11:39:31 yeah, I always found it funny Aug 27 11:39:48 perhaps they didn't make one because the WIDK works so well they felt it wasn't needed ;) Aug 27 11:40:55 oh ok so basically webOS takes care of everything as long as its an SDL app? Aug 27 11:40:58 nifty. Aug 27 11:41:09 if I can get pygame to run :P Aug 27 11:41:10 Yeah, kinda funny that they are sure to only support ubuntu on the SDK but don't even pretend to try to support anything with the PDK Aug 27 11:41:36 Hello everyone... I'll cut straight to the important bit Aug 27 11:42:02 I have two ideas that you may have already come up but nevertheless here they are Aug 27 11:42:43 1. Run a chrooted Android build on WebOS with a kernel with the Android-specific modules as an interim measure Aug 27 11:43:07 Or 2. Boot an Android build over NFS in a manner similar to the one used for the Palm Pre as in: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-pre/wiki/TryAndroidNowForEnglish Aug 27 11:43:17 Android kernel is completely incompatible with a standard linux kernel Aug 27 11:43:35 It has all sorts of nonstandard things (wavelocks, for one, off the top of my head) that Android needs to work Aug 27 11:44:03 finally had success booting web os 3 on a pc Aug 27 11:44:04 Does WebOS run on a standard Linux kernel? I only just got my Touchpad yesterday, I know nothing about its internals yet. Android however I know a bit more about Aug 27 11:44:51 abc27_: webOS has about the most standard Linux kernel and rootfs of any mobile platform. except perhaps maemo, meego or linmobile Aug 27 11:45:03 ooops that's internals not the sdk one.. Aug 27 11:45:12 the webOS kernel is almost stock, just has a few patches for a few pieces of hardware that aren't in mainline Aug 27 11:46:03 News to me, then a chroot would take quite a bit of work for little benefit Aug 27 11:46:47 And I understand there's been quite a bit of controversy over the dump posted on rootzwiki but does it contain the kernel? Aug 27 11:46:48 abc27_: webOS kernel is based on aurora code, with the android bits config'd out Aug 27 11:47:10 abc27_: the dump is from a HP factory test image used to test each and every touchpad manufactured Aug 27 11:47:30 hence, for a start, it's an illegal redistribution Aug 27 11:48:08 Bummer... so they tested out their devices with Android first? Aug 27 11:48:12 but if you remove all the non-GPL/non-AOSP bits, it should have enough for a working kernel and drivers Aug 27 11:48:28 yes Aug 27 11:48:40 abc27_: that's what the file listing and "Production Test Tool" app indicates to me. Aug 27 11:48:48 AFAIK there's no actual properietary stuff needed Aug 27 11:48:58 I've booted most of my phones off a totaly pure AOSP build Aug 27 11:49:02 with nothing proprietary Aug 27 11:49:04 and they booted fine Aug 27 11:49:14 so I would imagine the same would easily apply here Aug 27 11:49:24 Interesting, at least that reassures us that getting a functional Android build running on the Touchpad is more than possible Aug 27 11:49:29 how bad is it to build on the device itself? Aug 27 11:49:34 It's only a matter of getting around a few obstacles or to Aug 27 11:49:40 Pulser: another indicator of the maturity of the "leaders" - none of them have any qualms at all about the illegal redistribution Aug 27 11:49:41 *two Aug 27 11:49:47 rwhitby, very true Aug 27 11:49:53 I was talking about that to one of the quieter guys Aug 27 11:50:05 as obviously doctor is the best way to release, but that's copyrighted and proprietary Aug 27 11:50:11 so we would have to address that Aug 27 11:50:15 and likely use meta Aug 27 11:50:36 or just do a memboot of a clockwork-style installer Aug 27 11:50:45 yeah Aug 27 11:50:51 that's another possibility Aug 27 11:51:01 but something I'd have to pass on, since that's beyond my abilities to make Aug 27 11:51:03 we have the novacom protocol mostly reverse engineered. Aug 27 11:51:05 (well and truly beyond) Aug 27 11:51:08 hmmm Aug 27 11:51:10 interesting Aug 27 11:51:23 but yes Aug 27 11:51:35 we could use a recovery-based flasher Aug 27 11:51:39 there are many ways to achieve your goal legally Aug 27 11:51:39 that was novacom'd as you say Aug 27 11:51:42 yes Aug 27 11:51:49 the reason I've been held off Aug 27 11:51:57 is that for now, I don't honestly see anyone making any progress Aug 27 11:52:02 other than those I talk to privately Aug 27 11:52:05 http://kivy.org/docs/guide/android.html#android <- neat!!! Aug 27 12:15:28 What are the configure/autotools --host strings for webos? Aug 27 12:15:36 arm-pc-linux-gnu? Aug 27 12:17:18 try arm-none-linux-gnueabi Aug 27 12:18:44 checking for arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc... /opt/PalmPDK/arm-gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/gcc Aug 27 12:18:47 checking whether the C compiler works... no Aug 27 12:18:50 >_> Aug 27 12:18:58 lol Aug 27 12:19:14 bah i have to use the long named ones Aug 27 12:20:17 ok :) Aug 27 12:20:20 its configuring :D Aug 27 12:20:22 woot Aug 27 12:20:34 i didn't have to set the --build var Aug 27 12:20:48 six hours later, my room is not cleaner, I just shuffled the messes to different parts Aug 27 12:21:05 well I'm supposed to be packing >_> Aug 27 12:21:12 Me too, incidentally Aug 27 12:21:24 where you going? :P Aug 27 12:21:34 Just a roadtrip with my father for the weekend Aug 27 12:21:58 he's complaining that we never spend time together any more now that I live 40 minutes away Aug 27 12:22:12 even though I have for 18 months now Aug 27 12:23:05 heh Aug 27 12:23:11 * jrabbit is packing for college Aug 27 12:23:22 Nice nice Aug 27 12:23:28 * rrix started class last week :( Aug 27 12:23:38 arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: CoreFoundation: No such file or directory Aug 27 12:23:44 CoreFoundation? Aug 27 12:23:45 WELL DUH NO COREFOUNDATION >_> Aug 27 12:23:48 wow lol Aug 27 12:23:52 mac osx base library Aug 27 12:23:59 Yup Aug 27 12:24:11 Someone should port corefoundation to webos ;P Aug 27 12:24:24 apperently the one chunk that didn't apply was important Aug 27 12:24:26 go figure Aug 27 12:24:27 :P Aug 27 12:24:32 hehe Aug 27 12:26:14 woot, rebuilt my 10 to 1 model of a 1x1 LEGO block Aug 27 12:26:22 I should build a bunch of these and make something out of them Aug 27 12:27:29 lol Aug 27 12:27:44 fuck this is confusing Aug 27 12:27:54 maybe I should go to the older python >_> Aug 27 12:27:55 make, make install on Qt takes forever, lol Aug 27 12:28:08 And this version isn't even gonna work, I think Aug 27 12:28:39 I only wrote the graphics part of the platform plugin :\ Aug 27 12:31:40 * rwhitby bbt Aug 27 12:52:04 mornin Aug 27 13:23:27 Where is there room to compile on my touchpad? Aug 27 13:23:33 ~ is too small 67 mb Aug 27 13:27:04 tar: Python-2.7.2/Doc/howto/sorting.rst: Cannot change ownership to uid 1000, gid 1002: Operation not permitted Aug 27 13:27:08 in /media/internal Aug 27 13:32:50 jrabbit: use the meta-doctor to create an ext3fs partition of whatever size you want Aug 27 13:34:16 rwhitby: can i increase the size of /opt? Aug 27 13:34:28 is there a guide? I've never used lvm before Aug 27 13:34:36 * jrabbit compiling python on webos Aug 27 13:34:39 jrabbit: use the meta-doctor to create an ext3fs partition of whatever size you want and put opt on there Aug 27 13:35:12 The Ubuntu and Debian Chroot pages both have guides, as does the MetaDoctor page. Aug 27 13:36:56 delete /media/crptofs/optware.ext3 (or whatever the filename is) and next time it will create and use /media/ext3fs/opt instead Aug 27 13:37:31 * rwhitby bbt Aug 27 13:43:28 Eurostore palm has tage 362,24 Euro from my VISA card. Look like I have to pay the full price for the Pre3. Aug 27 13:43:57 hape: :( Aug 27 13:44:37 But even I got one. Lets see how it works out. At leat try to ask HP for a refound Aug 27 13:45:15 i was wondering whats all that about. the firesale price for the pre3 is too cheap for a not even released smartphone. Aug 27 14:10:33 hi i am trying to install preware on my touchpad...it's been installing for 30 mins...and still not completed... Aug 27 14:10:36 anything wrong here? Aug 27 14:12:10 wtf Aug 27 14:12:20 none of the c-extension for python compiled Aug 27 14:16:26 ack :( Aug 27 14:23:18 /dev/loop0 on /opt type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=continue,barrier=0,data=writeback) Aug 27 14:23:31 where is the /opt fs stored? Aug 27 14:24:16 ahh /media/cryptofs/optware.ext3 Aug 27 14:26:36 Debian seems to be using way more resources than Ubuntu when in lxde Aug 27 14:29:58 so Firefox runs fine in Ubuntu, but Iceweasel dies in Debian...RANDR issue I think Aug 27 14:32:40 so webOS stole the home+power for screenshot trick from iOS...awesome! Aug 27 14:34:02 so will apple sue HP for that? :) Aug 27 14:35:01 what's the point there is no more hardware to have an injunction over :) Aug 27 14:38:18 hehe. my girlfriend thought that was an ipad anyway. i mean when they sued samsung the can sue HP, too. but like you said: It doesnt matter when they tell them to stop selling it after october or sth. :) Aug 27 14:41:24 apple soon will soon everyone in EU because of the swipe gesture Aug 27 14:41:32 *sue Aug 27 14:43:44 "NOTE: You can not create an image file in /media/cryptofs larger than 2GB." Aug 27 14:43:48 is this still true? Aug 27 14:44:03 till now the european courts seem to use their brains in patend cases. like the motorola droid couldnt use gmaps with pinch to zoom in the usa but in europe. i hope they stay on this way Aug 27 14:45:52 dtzWill: so i think it is installing lxde that kills the VKB. have to reboot to get it back Aug 27 14:53:32 hi there, im trying to boot a custom kernel, but i just get parse_uimage:238: uimage 0x0 Aug 27 14:53:50 anyone tell me why im stupid? Aug 27 14:54:02 Baby you were born this wayyyyyyyyy Aug 27 14:54:17 * hk135 --> | Aug 27 14:54:52 hk135: where is the source code for the kernel? Aug 27 14:54:57 kernel.org Aug 27 14:55:21 2.6.39 Aug 27 14:56:53 opensource.palm.com Aug 27 14:58:03 nice, i guess i have to apply the kernel patches then Aug 27 15:04:48 so. my 3.0.2 touchpad. anytime i restart luna, the patches i installed disappear. Aug 27 15:05:00 the only one that sticks if puffs hulu fix. all others, poof. Aug 27 15:05:10 i dont have that issue with anything else, just patches. Aug 27 15:07:26 hi to all! Aug 27 15:09:09 hi pipposanta Aug 27 15:13:35 BrettQ|tPad here I am again Aug 27 15:14:06 jrabbit: still true Aug 27 15:14:09 as you may probably already read in the web os development section of precentral I had success booting webos 3.0 on a pc Aug 27 15:14:41 the problem is that there is no cursor Aug 27 15:15:10 I mean mouse cursor Aug 27 15:15:16 Any suggestions? Aug 27 15:15:42 I tried to dig in the conf files to find something of useful but dind't anything Aug 27 15:16:48 ...didn't find anything Aug 27 15:17:20 take a look at hidd Aug 27 15:17:33 you'll need to adapt that Aug 27 15:19:14 bpadalino you mean the config file, I hope... I don't want to recompile nothing... Aug 27 15:19:55 oh - well .. that might not work too well then Aug 27 15:21:16 bpadalino wait.. look here... http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Hidd it seems that adding Vbox before xml causes it to behave like on an emulator Aug 27 15:22:14 the wiki is pretty cool Aug 27 15:24:35 wait a moment.. I return immediately... Aug 27 15:28:36 bpadalino mmhhh in /etc/hidd there is no HidPluginsVbox.xml Aug 27 15:28:53 pipposanta: might be in the emulator ? Aug 27 15:29:04 bpadalino I used the sdk image Aug 27 15:29:07 oh Aug 27 15:29:11 *shrug* Aug 27 15:32:51 in order to build anything from the webos-internals git, I need to setup WIDK, right? Aug 27 15:33:38 yes (or try it with the Linux PDK but that could be difficult) Aug 27 15:36:00 Programs build using the WIDK can't be submitted to the App Catalog, correct? Aug 27 15:36:05 *built Aug 27 15:36:44 no, as long as you're only linking to white-listed libs it should be ok Aug 27 15:37:21 (and debug symbols have to be removed) Aug 27 15:47:17 bpadalino do you have other ideas? Aug 27 16:05:57 Greetings Aug 27 16:09:30 rwhitby: you around? Aug 27 16:24:02 trsohmers : you know uploading doctor images is illegal? Aug 27 16:24:33 siestacat: Yes, I have been told that. That's why I removed the one doctor image that I have uploaded. Aug 27 16:26:21 trsohmers : ok, saw the doctor image a few days ago and didn't know if anyone had mentioned it. Aug 27 16:26:39 Yea, rwhitby contacted me about it Aug 27 16:26:49 That was either last saturday or sunday Aug 27 16:31:40 Hullo everyone Aug 27 16:34:33 Ermm, what update process powers updating the chroot? Because it's redownloading the entirety of the package, and i've modified some of the files in it. Is it going to overwrite my work? Aug 27 17:01:34 Where is the configuration for X as launched by XServer? I can't find an xorg.conf anywhere Aug 27 17:01:49 the closest was in /usr/share, but that was a folder with miscellaneous non-display information Aug 27 17:02:04 I wanted to take a shot at silencing the RANDR extension spew Aug 27 17:05:42 Still trying to figure out how to insert mouse support in web os... mmhhh Aug 27 17:06:36 archlinux arm chroot is pretty much done but can someone help IPK it up? Aug 27 17:07:10 compressing it up so i'll have a final size in a moment, should be around 60MB like ubuntu and debian currently are Aug 27 17:07:31 added a webos unprivileged user too, heh Aug 27 17:08:47 without kb and mouse support webos on a pc is useless... Aug 27 17:09:25 and I am not even sure it will compatibile with a touchscreen even if I buy one... Aug 27 17:10:38 at the moment I have only a chinese touchscreen film... bought from dealextreme... still haven-t found the drivers... Aug 27 17:10:48 well a little ot... Aug 27 17:14:52 crimsonredmk: If you see pezman726 drop in, ask him. he just did a debian chroot Aug 27 17:16:34 isn't there already mouse support in the emulator? Aug 27 17:18:21 oh you know about the debian one Aug 27 17:18:23 lol Aug 27 17:22:12 dwc- that's what I believed... but it behave in a really strange way... on a computer it detects some keyboard keys and no mouse... on another no kb and no mouse at alll Aug 27 17:33:38 pipposanta: running the emulator build on regular x86 hardware? Aug 27 17:34:25 destinal yeah Aug 27 17:41:11 +destinal I worked on making it boot in the past last week... I can say it works aside from the mouse and kb Aug 27 17:54:37 pipposanta: people have played with webos 1.x and 2.x on pc hardware and had similar results but nobody has ever really worked on it very long. worst case we should be able to make our own drivers, though hidd (the device input interface, not related to USB HID or BT HID) is closed source Aug 27 18:03:51 Welcome, AndyMillar! Aug 27 18:08:25 any devs on? Aug 27 18:09:14 I think so (with 205 ppl in the channel) Aug 27 18:09:49 in case you don't read PM's :P Aug 27 18:09:50 you'll have the most dev luck in #webos Aug 27 18:09:50 it's a dev specific channel Aug 27 18:09:50 there are quite a few that are in both though Aug 27 18:10:21 fffuuuu archlinuxarmchroot is 91MB Aug 27 18:10:27 :( Aug 27 18:10:36 :) Aug 27 18:11:13 looking to patch one of the mojo framework files on the touchpad Aug 27 18:11:27 I stand corrected. Aug 27 18:11:41 Off to pick up my wife! Aug 27 18:13:37 I need to find the path to the framework.. one sec. it's the video component Aug 27 18:15:28 dtzWill: ping Aug 27 18:16:32 ok well if pezman726 comes on can someone point him to https://github.com/crimsonredmk/ArchLinuxARM-Chroot-TouchPad Aug 27 18:16:52 and if you're in a hurry to get archlinux chroot on a touchpad, all you need is there ^ Aug 27 18:17:31 im tryin gto debug a custom kernel, think its panicing Aug 27 18:17:34 pmPostInstall has all the commands you need to run except partitioning and mounting ext3fs, do that first. dunno if x works, haven't tried or made any effort in that regard yet. Aug 27 18:17:40 and i'm out, bye :D Aug 27 18:17:46 im not sure how to get the the panic messages, any ideas? Aug 27 18:28:03 guys, anyone here with a pre3? Aug 27 18:33:17 Why doesn't WebOS connect to adhoc networks? Aug 27 18:33:27 Like android tethering etc? Aug 27 18:33:52 rwhitby: is it normal that my pre3 is said to be a "Manta ROW/EU" in the palm profile? Aug 27 18:34:24 it also says "mantaray-linux" in WQI Aug 27 18:35:40 ok, second problem was a too old WQI version Aug 27 18:37:13 jrabbit: because nobody implemented it... Aug 27 18:37:43 pc-world: huh? Aug 27 18:37:51 pc-world: Linux's iwconfig works fine Aug 27 18:37:56 ice8lue: Ah so I guess Mantaray was the internal name for pre3. We saw it back in November 2010 in a released doctor to give you an idea of the time frame of having seen that codename Aug 27 18:38:15 jrabbit: did you try it on device? Aug 27 18:38:21 ice8lue: just like pre2 was roadrunnner and original pre was castle Aug 27 18:38:23 ??? Aug 27 18:38:28 pc-world: what do you mean Aug 27 18:38:54 if you tried connecting with iwconfig on webOS Aug 27 18:39:10 destinal: ah ok. Just was surprised it doesn't say the real name of the hp smartphone flagship Aug 27 18:39:11 yeah tried. Aug 27 18:39:13 didn't work Aug 27 18:41:11 ice8lue: I hope one day to get a hold of one of those devices. :) how do you like it? Aug 27 18:42:05 wtf Aug 27 18:42:41 it's great so far, the higher resolution iis amazing Aug 27 18:42:59 just a little annoying not all of my apps are available yet Aug 27 18:43:47 Cerealklr: ping Aug 27 18:45:03 PatrickC_TP: TCP_ACK Aug 27 18:45:20 lol Aug 27 18:45:36 Painfully close now. Aug 27 18:45:38 I'm thinking about trying the netbook remix later today Aug 27 18:45:41 awesome! Aug 27 18:45:46 I can actually create and boot into users Aug 27 18:45:50 the issue is Aug 27 18:45:59 after a while being completely stable and fully functional Aug 27 18:46:06 at the exact same point each time Aug 27 18:46:06 jrabbit_: a lot of the wireless drivers on android devices are patched not to work with adhoc, hp's may be too Aug 27 18:46:17 the entire XServer crashes without a single log Aug 27 18:46:24 It's still 100% stable if you use it as root Aug 27 18:46:47 but if you use it as root you don't get pulseaudio, a home directory, or access to a few user-specific settings Aug 27 18:47:13 However, I found out the cause of the Randr spew Aug 27 18:47:23 which may well be related to the Xserver crashing Aug 27 18:47:35 but I need dtzWill again to look into it, since he built the XServer app Aug 27 18:47:42 it would be awesome if you could get it to run :) Aug 27 18:48:03 Well, it does run now, it just doesn't have a few features important to me (like sound and user administration) Aug 27 18:48:06 =D Aug 27 18:48:30 from digging around, it looks like he didn't specify an xorg.conf that disabled the xrandr extension, nor did he supply the xrandr extension Aug 27 18:48:38 leading it to complain at every turn about the fact that it was missing Aug 27 18:49:12 PatrickC_TP: do you still use wirc on your phone Aug 27 18:49:19 destinal: will flashing uberkernel fix it? Aug 27 18:49:31 brb Aug 27 18:49:33 yeah, not as much, but yeah Aug 27 18:50:05 dwc-: why? Aug 27 18:50:46 * Cerealklr balances a ridiculous wake-to-sleep work schedule by regressing mentally and listening to the Sonic Adventure soundtracks Aug 27 18:50:50 oh, I was just looking to see if you wanted to test some changes I've made but haven't submitted yet Aug 27 18:51:14 dwc-: sure Aug 27 18:51:50 dwc-: need my email? Aug 27 18:51:52 brb Aug 27 18:52:02 no, I'll just upload it somewhere Aug 27 18:52:19 ok Aug 27 18:52:49 Okay, i'm going to take a break and practice piano for a bit. If dtzWill comes back let him no I was searching for him about Xrandr. =] Aug 27 18:53:42 /s/no/know Aug 27 18:55:04 does anyone know how to disable the splash in bootie? Aug 27 18:55:11 Cerealklr: I didn't know you play piano, so do I! :) Aug 27 18:55:45 hk135: replacing the boot image with an empty one (for example via meta-doctor) Aug 27 18:56:22 pc-world: i was more hoping for boot console, am testing a non functioning custom kernel Aug 27 18:59:13 hk135: what device? Aug 27 18:59:25 destinal: hp touchpad Aug 27 18:59:37 is there a way to get the 2gb ext3 to be a real partition and not LVM? Aug 27 19:00:01 hk135: hmm, don't know how, on pre / pre2 you could hold down C on keyboard IIRC Aug 27 19:00:06 obviously no such help with touchpad Aug 27 19:00:47 destinal: yeah, i was hoping that bootie would continue to send over the usb port but no such luck! Aug 27 19:01:49 hk135: looks like from the configs that there's a serial port on the board though I'm guessing taking it apart isn't on your list of fun things to do? Aug 27 19:02:47 destinal: if it comes to it, i guess ill have to, but ill wait till someone else does ti first! Aug 27 19:02:50 should be possible to set up a usb serial console but you'll miss early printk's Aug 27 19:04:04 for that matter should be possible to do a framebuffer console, I just haven't tried it yet Aug 27 19:04:39 hello Aug 27 19:04:42 destinal: hmm, fbcon sounds promising actually Aug 27 19:04:50 I can recompile and add it in Aug 27 19:21:16 so just attempted to install touchplayer through prepare on my touchpad, however, after it finished installing, I did not see it in any of my launcher tabs Aug 27 19:21:53 blahness: I had that too Aug 27 19:21:54 I think I had to reboot to fix it? Aug 27 19:22:00 I tried to remove it, but preware just gives me "removing..." with the circle going around forever Aug 27 19:22:09 reboot Aug 27 19:22:15 ok Aug 27 19:22:23 the endless circle going around forever is probably the package installer service going wonky again Aug 27 19:22:44 guess he was on wirc.. Aug 27 19:22:58 no... freenode web chat Aug 27 19:23:13 ah yeah Aug 27 19:23:19 I see his login ip now Aug 27 19:23:31 and I was going to say maybe tethered, but it's a touchpad Aug 27 19:23:34 I think mine is set as a private.. Aug 27 19:25:18 so slow, 3 days to get my touchpad dock < 300 mi from so cal Aug 27 19:25:36 HP got my ream of paper from mississippi in 4 Aug 27 19:29:03 wow...rain is really coming down here Aug 27 19:30:43 it's not even hurricane time yet Aug 27 19:31:00 well, I guess it sorta is Aug 27 19:31:01 depends on where you are... Aug 27 19:31:07 just popping in to mention that that worked - thanks Aug 27 19:31:09 you're at the leading edge Aug 27 19:32:24 wait Aug 27 19:32:32 dwc-, aren't you in the UK? Aug 27 19:32:46 term - actually one more question - is there something I am missing that should be obvious as to how to play videos on touchplayer? I tampon a file and it just gets highlighted green... Aug 27 19:32:57 hey is that dude all into kubuntu-mobile going to package it for preware? Aug 27 19:33:12 * blahness grumbles at the touchpad's autocorrect Aug 27 19:35:59 paz Aug 27 19:36:24 O.o Aug 27 19:37:04 What on earth...it's not been raining THAT long...but the street in front of my house is alreadying beginning to flood Aug 27 19:39:08 LarrySteeze: we weren't able to find any Touchpads this morning, despite getting up at 5 AM and lining up at the store around 7:30 :( Aug 27 19:39:27 I'm sorry to hear that Aug 27 19:39:34 did the store have any yet? Aug 27 19:39:54 I'm assuming that if they got a shipment, it was later in the day today Aug 27 19:40:26 * blahness tries rebooting again Aug 27 19:41:15 Didn't have any, no. Hearing from other stores with super helpful general managers (they exist!) that all of Southern California is basically sold out. Warehouses are empty and that anything that did come in would be small drop shipments from HP via UPS/Fedex, and that stores don't have access to that tracking info to really even say if they're scheduled to get any in Aug 27 19:41:45 is it possible to ahve sound on touchpad ubuntu?? Aug 27 19:41:58 i tried to isntall alsa but doesn"t help Aug 27 19:44:01 ah - apparently removing it, installing it again, then restarting Luna worked--- Aug 27 19:46:29 SineOT: I have a developer one and a personal one, we might be able to work something out. Aug 27 19:46:40 technikfreak2: I'm working on that issue right now with my netbook remix project Aug 27 19:47:10 there is no display driver in dmesg, is VGA is disabled in the bootloader or the kernel? Aug 27 19:47:17 Cerealklr: cool. any documentation on your project? Aug 27 19:47:29 ajay: Last I heard, PDunny had not made appreciable progress with KDE, but my work on netbook should help him. Aug 27 19:47:29 Cerealklr: that'd be cool. I'm still holding out hope that I'll be able to find some from HP or other local sources… But we'll see. Aug 27 19:47:34 SineOt: from what I hear, there will be no shortage of TP's when the "next" firesale comes around Aug 27 19:47:38 destinal: yep, but I recommend not following it yet. Hang on a sec Aug 27 19:47:42 I only hope they do something to limit the number of tablets people can buy Aug 27 19:47:43 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Netbook_Remix Aug 27 19:47:56 Its got a 93% probability of grotesquely murdering your whole family. Aug 27 19:48:05 lol Aug 27 19:48:13 or at least requiring you to empty your ext3 and reinstall the chroot Aug 27 19:48:18 LarrySteeze: I'd imagine after seeing the rush on these that they're going to be very strict on enforcing something like a 1 per model per household thing Aug 27 19:48:30 I hope so Aug 27 19:48:43 anyone have a code snippet of clearing an alarm in enyo? Aug 27 19:48:58 It seems that a lot of folks had no problems snapping up 10+ at the very start, leaving a lot of people unable to find any to purchase even with a 1 per model per person type limit (cough me cough) Aug 27 19:48:58 because having people selling them for 200+ a piece doesn't exactly accomplish what they were trying to accomplish Aug 27 19:49:03 Cerealklr: very cool Aug 27 19:49:04 SineOt: No rush, I was planning on just hoarding the two of them in case the worst happens Aug 27 19:49:20 SineOt: But I'd rather get one into another needy devs hands if necessary Aug 27 19:49:33 Cerealklr: Hoping that Touchpads are worth their weight in water after the world comes to an end next year? X3 Aug 27 19:50:01 =D Just hoping that if I stockpile enough computing devices one of them will survive the apocalypse Aug 27 19:50:04 I may just create a franken Pre2 just so that I can feel like I accomplished something today. Aug 27 19:50:05 and I won't be without purpose in life Aug 27 19:50:06 SineOt: Touchpads don't float Aug 27 19:50:08 =D Aug 27 19:50:10 * destinal only wants some firesale Pre3's Aug 27 19:50:23 LarrySteeze: that's what the water proof bags are for! Aug 27 19:50:31 … or just putting it in a ziploc baggie Aug 27 19:50:35 destinal: don't we all Aug 27 19:50:45 I do that with my ereader in the summers when I'm reading in the pool :B Aug 27 19:50:56 how can i uncheck this? INFO: Trenchcoat: Device repartition was forced. Media cannot be preserved in this case. Uncheck "Skip Format of Media Partition" and try again. Aug 27 19:51:24 destinal: If you do get around to trying netbook remix, let me know so I can see where the instructions are unclear and verify it works consistently Aug 27 19:52:48 Same here destinal Aug 27 19:53:37 I want what can never be had. :( A firesale Touchpad Go Aug 27 19:54:17 SineOt: if you want the smaller form factor, nook color would seem a good option. (we only need to put webos on it) :) Aug 27 19:54:51 Cerealklr: I'm about to start testing for you Aug 27 19:55:41 LarrySteeze: Okay, I'll stay on hand in case something goes amiss. Once you've completed that process, you'll be able to launch sessions as root Aug 27 19:55:44 and create new users Aug 27 19:55:52 but launching sessions as a separate user isn't stable yet Aug 27 19:55:57 sounds good Aug 27 19:56:13 So basically, you'll get netbook remix sans pulseaudio (no sound) and sans a few user-specific preferences Aug 27 19:56:20 but device preferences etc. still work fine Aug 27 19:59:00 destinal: yeah, when the Nook Color runs webOS then let me know :] Aug 27 19:59:56 ouch… turns out a local business put up their stock of 16GB touch pads for sale earlier… While we were offline and waiting around at Best Buy :( Aug 27 20:00:39 d'oh Aug 27 20:00:51 LarrySteeze: no Aug 27 20:01:13 * SineOt disappears for a bit to go lounge and nap. Aug 27 20:02:09 any news on native ubuntu? Aug 27 20:02:22 not here Aug 27 20:02:51 it's already native... Aug 27 20:02:58 it's just not standalone Aug 27 20:03:05 it's not native, it's chroot Aug 27 20:03:07 big diff Aug 27 20:03:16 do you know what native means? Aug 27 20:03:23 =P Aug 27 20:03:29 the binaries are compiled for arm Aug 27 20:03:35 sailerboy: as rwhitby has said, native ubuntu talk is in #touchdroid Aug 27 20:03:42 and Ironsight is correct, by the way. =P Aug 27 20:03:52 or #touchpad at least Aug 27 20:04:10 Cerealklr, i got banned from #touchdroid by asking about native ubuntu Aug 27 20:04:14 :| Aug 27 20:04:23 Cerealklr: You broke my keyboar! Aug 27 20:04:28 yeah, ubuntu has little to do with droid Aug 27 20:04:29 :) Aug 27 20:04:29 Well, rwhitby has said that sort of talk doesn't belong here. Aug 27 20:04:30 s/keyboar/keyboard Aug 27 20:04:34 LarrySteeze: What's happened? Aug 27 20:04:41 touchdroid talk doesn't belong in here Aug 27 20:04:45 i'm asking about native ubuntu Aug 27 20:04:46 can't type :P Aug 27 20:04:53 are you using Aug 27 20:05:01 rebooting Aug 27 20:05:02 the latest Xecutah + XServer from preware testing? Aug 27 20:05:04 personally I will stick with a chroot enviroment in case something breaks I can use webos tools to fix Aug 27 20:05:26 : Cerealklr it works great Aug 27 20:05:29 Cerealklr: -_- Aug 27 20:05:37 I think it was just my TP Aug 27 20:05:46 Okay. Let's not make me panic like that Aug 27 20:05:50 in the future Aug 27 20:05:52 =D Aug 27 20:06:01 Though I am interested in a gentoo chroot for easy compiling :) Aug 27 20:06:18 By the way, this process was designed with the BT keyboard in mind, because certain things are easier with ctrl+alt+arrow keys Aug 27 20:06:24 ut it should still be fully possible with the VKB Aug 27 20:06:36 ubuntu outside of a chroot is likely not considered an appropriate topic either Aug 27 20:06:36 Just more tedious. =D Aug 27 20:06:39 xvkb or something? Aug 27 20:06:52 Cerealklr, any luck on building your sandbox? Aug 27 20:07:08 Ironsight: paused the project for a bit since the Ubuntuchroot was unveiled Aug 27 20:07:17 and was found to be in need of a pretty and tablet friendly GUI Aug 27 20:07:29 So I've been working on getting Netbook Remix running on it Aug 27 20:08:07 ooh nice Aug 27 20:08:08 :) Aug 27 20:08:29 and ... just before anyone gets a false sense of security, you can destroy the system from inside the chroot Aug 27 20:08:59 Which is why I slapped 90 warning labels on my wiki Aug 27 20:09:01 =D Aug 27 20:09:21 Alright, it works like a charm Aug 27 20:09:27 except when I create another user Aug 27 20:09:29 LarrySteeze ypu Aug 27 20:09:33 you're in?* Aug 27 20:09:49 How are you creating a new user? Aug 27 20:09:57 in chroot Aug 27 20:10:04 Yea, with the adduser command though, right? Aug 27 20:10:09 yes Aug 27 20:10:22 and what occurs when you do it? Aug 27 20:10:49 nothing. But I should stop talking, because when this stuff happens, it's usually user error...so give me a few minutes to tinker Aug 27 20:11:19 okay, be careful with the tinkering though, and I'd be happy to help user error or otherwise, because it'll help me clarify the wiki for others Aug 27 20:12:57 * Ironsight wonder's how easy it would be to make his own pygtk UI for x Aug 27 20:13:27 if you find out, let me know. that sounds fun. Aug 27 20:13:29 =D Aug 27 20:13:40 I've just been modding my gtk theme automatically via Ubuntu Aug 27 20:13:56 I did some small apps in gentoo that would sit on my desktop applets Aug 27 20:14:16 sit on my desktop as applets* Aug 27 20:14:51 dtzWill: ping Aug 27 20:18:17 time to try installing utouch and ginn I guess Aug 27 20:18:48 maybe with fluxbox as a WM it could work, since that mostly stays out of the way Aug 27 20:18:56 alright Aug 27 20:19:05 I think it's time to doctor and repartition Aug 27 20:19:10 whoah, what happened? Aug 27 20:19:28 I didn't make the partition big enough Aug 27 20:19:32 oh Aug 27 20:19:37 *phew* Aug 27 20:19:53 nothing on your part lol Aug 27 20:19:56 like I said Aug 27 20:19:59 user error Aug 27 20:20:36 I made mine 16gb Aug 27 20:20:39 I was simply trying to preserve space in a greedy fashion...I should have bought the 32 gb TP Aug 27 20:20:50 or 12, actually Aug 27 20:20:55 dwc-: ?? Aug 27 20:20:57 I figured worst case, I could resize that one down easier Aug 27 20:23:05 alright, give me half an hour to an hour or so to redoctor/partition (depending on how many times my wife calls me out of the office for various reasons) Aug 27 20:23:37 Cerealklr: what did you partition ext3 to? Aug 27 20:23:48 2 Aug 27 20:23:49 ? Aug 27 20:24:01 I partitioned to 8GB Aug 27 20:24:04 * Ironsight is watching superman 1 on netflix Aug 27 20:24:06 on my 16GB TP Aug 27 20:24:16 nns Aug 27 20:24:24 bbs* Aug 27 20:28:45 so can we only place 1 kernel in the boot partition> Aug 27 20:28:46 ? Aug 27 20:35:28 Anyone know if there's any issue with running the metadoctor from a VM? Aug 27 20:36:00 I don't have ubuntu on this machine, but I have fedora running in a VM Aug 27 20:37:43 Puffy_wirc : A hulu patch :0 Aug 27 20:38:13 the hulu patch doesn't work for me Aug 27 20:38:18 I'm attempting manual patching Aug 27 20:39:40 siestacat: yes Aug 27 20:40:11 balrog: did u already modify the binary? Aug 27 20:41:27 Puffy_wric Aug 27 20:41:33 Not working for me either Aug 27 20:41:38 Puffy_wirc* Aug 27 20:42:02 balrog : gotten anywhere yet? Aug 27 20:42:14 * dwc- already patched his own Aug 27 20:42:38 * siestacat wonders if DWC is willing to share his fix Aug 27 20:43:03 I don't think redist'ing my binary is a good plan Aug 27 20:43:04 there is only 1 fix Aug 27 20:43:13 and I don't have a patch file. Aug 27 20:43:20 I just opened it up in vi Aug 27 20:43:25 How is it done? Aug 27 20:43:48 let me test the ipk Aug 27 20:43:59 of? Aug 27 20:44:04 Puffy_wirc: yeah I modified it manually Aug 27 20:44:11 i'm trying to change the partition sizes in metadoctor but trenchcoat eventually aborts saying something about how i have checked an option to preserve /media which prevents repartitioning. any idea how to turn that off? Aug 27 20:44:13 I told the flash player it's a different version Aug 27 20:44:15 the sed patch outlined on the wiki *works* Aug 27 20:44:18 so it looks like to add a mouse, you have to create a new hidd compatiable module.... is there any documentation about hidd for adding devices? Aug 27 20:44:23 though I'm using LNX instead of WIN Aug 27 20:44:42 jonpry: because you're resizing /meda/internal to make the ext3fs, that makes it difficult Aug 27 20:44:48 the patch isnt going to work if u already did the sed trick Aug 27 20:44:54 my "patch" does the sed trick Aug 27 20:45:00 what's the sed trick? Aug 27 20:45:02 Puffy_wirc: I applied your patch FIRST Aug 27 20:45:08 it did not work, so I did the sed trick Aug 27 20:45:17 is the hulu patch just changing the user agent? Aug 27 20:45:22 no Aug 27 20:45:28 and when I did the sed trick I had to remount root as read-write Aug 27 20:45:32 and where can i get webOS Quick Install? Aug 27 20:45:32 it changes the Flash UA Aug 27 20:45:44 ahh Aug 27 20:45:47 that might be what the issue is Aug 27 20:45:57 hey guys can I get some help? Aug 27 20:46:02 dwc-, i don't want to preserve /media Aug 27 20:46:02 my tp could have been in rw mode already Aug 27 20:46:16 how do I turn Kn the ipfk thing again? Aug 27 20:46:23 on* Aug 27 20:46:36 Puffy_wirc: you may want to fix that Aug 27 20:46:36 balrog: good call on the ro/rw Aug 27 20:46:41 i will push a fix if that is it Aug 27 20:46:47 I didn't have to change mine to rw Aug 27 20:46:58 dwc-: cause it was already rw Aug 27 20:47:10 what changed it for me? Aug 27 20:47:13 balrog: ah Aug 27 20:47:21 Puffy_wirc: is there any ETA on SASL support in wirc? Aug 27 20:47:37 not for Tor but because of tethering Aug 27 20:47:38 nope Aug 27 20:47:43 need to finish the enyo rewrite first Aug 27 20:47:51 cannot connect to Freenode without SASL, which is a PAIN Aug 27 20:47:53 and oil is mia so it might be a while Aug 27 20:47:59 :\ Aug 27 20:48:04 I didn't even know there was sasl for irc until freenode Aug 27 20:48:12 ya Aug 27 20:48:21 for people on shit networks that block ident Aug 27 20:48:30 or some other port needed for a normal connection Aug 27 20:48:49 * oil is not missing in action Aug 27 20:48:52 wireless providers' NATs cause issues, so yeah Aug 27 20:49:05 oil: of course you know wherey ou are Aug 27 20:49:06 missing at lunch Aug 27 20:49:30 anyway I'm really impressed with the OS ... wish HP didn't can it :( Aug 27 20:49:33 (the hardware) Aug 27 20:49:41 the OS ... hopefully they keep it going, but idk Aug 27 20:49:52 dwc-, i want to setup metadoctor to not preserve media Aug 27 20:50:28 Puffy_wirc: fyi, other people on the forums were reporting read-only fs issues Aug 27 20:50:56 ya ya i fixing that right now! Aug 27 20:51:18 also what's the difference between wirc in preware vs. in the HP store? Aug 27 20:51:33 price Aug 27 20:51:37 and lack of ssl Aug 27 20:51:42 ah :/ Aug 27 20:51:52 I'd be guessing that preware would have the bleeding edge betas Aug 27 20:51:53 :D Aug 27 20:52:08 ssl isnt whitelisted yet for use in ap cat apps Aug 27 20:52:10 wait, preware has ssl or store has ssl Aug 27 20:52:11 ? Aug 27 20:52:11 app cat Aug 27 20:52:14 ahhhh, why? Aug 27 20:52:17 preware has ssl Aug 27 20:52:23 interesting Aug 27 20:52:23 balrog: cause they are slow and suck Aug 27 20:52:28 people still buy it? Aug 27 20:52:41 Anyone ever run metadoctor in a VM? Aug 27 20:54:35 -_- I'm really good at getting people to become quiet Aug 27 20:54:43 would there be a problem statically linking an SSL lib with the plugin? Aug 27 20:54:44 balrog: wanna post on the forum that there should be a new version in preware that works Aug 27 20:55:54 balrog: not really Aug 27 20:55:55 some people Aug 27 20:56:03 who are too lazy to use preware Aug 27 20:56:11 not everyone has preware Aug 27 20:56:21 some people bought it just to say thanks Aug 27 20:56:25 but still use preware versions Aug 27 20:57:03 balrog: i pushed 2.0 of the fix Aug 27 20:57:05 hwo? Aug 27 20:57:07 it will be in preware in ~15 min Aug 27 20:57:56 balrog: or tell me which thread has the bug reports Aug 27 20:58:31 waht media player is good for listeneintg/watching self defined video streams Aug 27 20:58:36 i want to watch my football Aug 27 20:58:50 Puffy_wirc: 1 minute... Aug 27 20:58:54 never mind Aug 27 20:58:59 its the only hulu thread Aug 27 20:59:03 the massive one Aug 27 20:59:10 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/294167-there-hulu-fix.html I think Aug 27 20:59:22 and yeah it is massive Aug 27 20:59:41 does linux in WebOS have a sysctl.conf? Aug 27 21:00:03 or if not, can you make one and will it respect it? Aug 27 21:03:12 good question - fire up the terminal and give it a shot Aug 27 21:03:34 I need to change the TTL value Aug 27 21:05:10 does anyone which messenger work on chroot? pdigin doesn"t work not really Aug 27 21:06:19 Alright, just manually did the flash modification for hulu. Aug 27 21:06:36 siestacat: did you get the read-only filesystem message? Aug 27 21:06:43 balrog : no Aug 27 21:06:49 I used the webosquick install command line Aug 27 21:07:18 okay Aug 27 21:07:23 yeah that one might work Aug 27 21:07:31 I was root Aug 27 21:07:36 I'm testing it on hulu right now. Aug 27 21:07:57 Yes! Aug 27 21:08:02 Hulu works great. Aug 27 21:08:31 yay Aug 27 21:08:41 now get netflix to work! Aug 27 21:08:55 netflix isn't browser flash based. Aug 27 21:09:03 It's a downloadable application for desktops. Aug 27 21:09:10 they have a chromeos version that is supposedly html5 Aug 27 21:09:16 So uh, talk to a developer. Aug 27 21:09:31 :( Aug 27 21:09:41 it's not a downloadable application for desktops...it's silverlight Aug 27 21:09:58 ew Aug 27 21:10:04 LarrySteeze: chromeos version should be html5 Aug 27 21:10:24 You'd have to trick it into thinking your chroeos Aug 27 21:10:36 right - useragent change shouldn't be too difficult, right ? Aug 27 21:10:47 I doubt it's just a user agent change... Aug 27 21:10:51 netflix works on chormeos? Aug 27 21:10:55 *chromeos Aug 27 21:10:58 apparently. Aug 27 21:10:58 LarrySteeze: supposedly? Aug 27 21:11:01 siestacat: it's a Flash user agent change Aug 27 21:11:06 not a browser user agent change Aug 27 21:11:06 Didn't know that Aug 27 21:11:11 balrog : I mean ChromOS Aug 27 21:11:14 Puffy_wirc: is your patch setting it to Windows or Linux UA? Aug 27 21:11:16 balrog: for hulu it's flash Aug 27 21:11:22 I thought there was a plugin you needed for netflix to work on chromeos Aug 27 21:11:25 hulu always uses flash, afaik Aug 27 21:11:35 Google Chrome has flash embedded Aug 27 21:11:38 idk about ChromeOS Aug 27 21:11:41 eh? Aug 27 21:11:49 my preware lost it's association to the .ipk filetype Aug 27 21:12:28 anyone in here outside the US with a touchpad, by chance? Aug 27 21:12:43 Hmm... Aug 27 21:13:26 balrog: WIN Aug 27 21:13:32 Puffy_wirc: works? Aug 27 21:13:43 ya Aug 27 21:13:47 I'd do LNX, simply because the webOS is based on Linux Aug 27 21:13:49 i used what was on the forum Aug 27 21:13:51 but if it works, it works Aug 27 21:14:01 I read deeper in the forum, some people said "why not use LNX" Aug 27 21:14:04 i was just making what was on the forum a easy ipk Aug 27 21:14:11 but if u can try lnx and it works we could use that too Aug 27 21:14:13 I googled to be sure LNX is valid, and that's what I used when I did the sed commeand. Aug 27 21:14:17 and yes, it works. Aug 27 21:14:17 :) Aug 27 21:14:33 it's just closer to what the thing really is running Aug 27 21:14:34 version 3.0 then maybe Aug 27 21:14:38 Is the webos browser capable of html5 video playback? Aug 27 21:14:45 siestacat: I believe so Aug 27 21:14:55 hmm... Aug 27 21:15:02 siestacat: why? Aug 27 21:15:13 So how does netflix identify whether to use HTML5 or silverlight? Aug 27 21:15:25 well webos def does not have silverlight Aug 27 21:15:42 ahh, they use a chrome plugin, hmm Aug 27 21:15:48 is it h.265? Aug 27 21:15:59 probably a binary blob that does the DRM Aug 27 21:16:05 what about in linux? Aug 27 21:16:25 you'd need the silverlight or flash plugin siestacat Aug 27 21:16:40 moonlight lacks DRM support Aug 27 21:16:53 they use MS DRM Aug 27 21:17:09 hey guys is it possible to install a ipk file and isntall them Aug 27 21:17:23 without add it via webos Aug 27 21:17:41 aeh webos quick install Aug 27 21:17:52 ? Aug 27 21:18:44 yah what? Aug 27 21:20:30 i want readd messaging plugins Aug 27 21:22:31 I used LNX for mine too Aug 27 21:22:57 mh Aug 27 21:23:00 im gonna push 3.0 that uses LNX now Aug 27 21:23:22 Puffy_wirc for the patch? Aug 27 21:23:27 is this in the testing feeds or normal anyways Aug 27 21:23:32 ya Aug 27 21:23:35 siestacat: ^ Aug 27 21:23:41 WIN 10 works Aug 27 21:23:42 dwc-: yes testing feed right now Aug 27 21:23:49 I made a couple of other changes in mine... curious what you put in yours Aug 27 21:23:50 LNX works too Aug 27 21:23:55 ok Aug 27 21:24:03 dwc-: all i do is the sed trick Aug 27 21:24:05 what else did u do Aug 27 21:24:26 can moonlight be installed on the ubuntu chroot? Aug 27 21:24:27 like about a few other things to make it look more like a linux desktop flash :p Aug 27 21:24:36 though, I'm not sure how to lie about the arch, so oh well Aug 27 21:24:39 so how i could ad a ipk without webos quick isntall? Aug 27 21:24:51 dwc-: u did do other shit or u want to? Aug 27 21:24:52 just amke a wget and wops there it is? Aug 27 21:25:01 I did do other shit to mine Aug 27 21:25:13 like what? Aug 27 21:25:24 I figure, make mine less like every body else's and they'll be less likely to block me Aug 27 21:25:27 * dwc- whistles Aug 27 21:25:37 i see how it is Aug 27 21:26:27 hi guys Aug 27 21:26:43 I'm having a bit of a problem here Aug 27 21:27:12 I don't know how to right-click in ubuntu in xserver Aug 27 21:27:16 wouldn't it be sweet if you could just run android apps inside webos Aug 27 21:27:58 so, can anyone help me on that? Aug 27 21:28:55 moonlight is a firefox plugin Aug 27 21:28:56 ? Aug 27 21:29:18 moonlight is an open-source version of silverlight Aug 27 21:29:42 I know Aug 27 21:29:45 Is it a firefox plugin? Aug 27 21:29:52 I have a thought Aug 27 21:30:50 also, guys... I'm running f15c eagle but one core stays at 0 most of the time, and rarely goes up unless the other core is at max Aug 27 21:31:17 is that normal? Aug 27 21:31:24 sorry for my questions Aug 27 21:31:39 Puffy_wirc: dpkg-deb: file `org.webosinternals.hulu-fix_1.0_all.ipk' is not a debian binary archive (try dpkg-split?) Aug 27 21:32:16 I can ar x it, but I thoguht all the ipk's I've unpacked so far have been Aug 27 21:32:33 anyone? Aug 27 21:33:12 hey, the 15c is a single-seater, no co-pilots allowed :p Aug 27 21:33:27 tusing-touchpad : I have the same thing with Uberkernel. Think this is normal. Aug 27 21:33:29 you probably want the f-15d Aug 27 21:33:32 * dwc- hides Aug 27 21:35:26 siestacat: thanks Aug 27 21:35:40 siestacat: which is better? F15 or uber? Aug 27 21:35:52 dwc-: what are you tell me about dpkg? Aug 27 21:36:05 tusing-touchpad : Depends on what you are planning on. UberKernel only allows up to 1.5ghz. Aug 27 21:36:27 tusing-touchpad : UberKernel is more than a pre-alpha though, so perhaps more stable. Aug 27 21:36:27 ah. Does it have advantages? Aug 27 21:36:34 oh ok Aug 27 21:36:42 It's got a few other kernel mods, and probably a bit more stable. Aug 27 21:36:44 I'll stick with f15 for now Aug 27 21:36:52 touchpad is awesome Aug 27 21:36:53 Puffy_wirc: dpkg thinks the hulu .ipk's are not deb archives. dunno if it's relevant. Aug 27 21:37:29 siestacat: is there a way to make governor settings stick after reboot? Aug 27 21:37:55 tusing-touchpad : they don't stick? Aug 27 21:38:17 Mine stick. Aug 27 21:38:20 nah. I get the f15 screen at boot whenever I change something Aug 27 21:38:42 hold on lemme try again Aug 27 21:38:47 Ok. Aug 27 21:40:44 dwc-: they are not deb packages Aug 27 21:40:48 they are ipks Aug 27 21:40:59 extract with ar x Aug 27 21:42:25 so how come none of the other ipk's (that I've pulled apart) so far have this issue? Aug 27 21:45:18 what other ipks from our feeds have u stripped apart? Aug 27 21:45:25 oh Aug 27 21:45:30 maybe cause it has no files Aug 27 21:45:37 it only has postinst and prerm scripts Aug 27 21:45:46 maybe thats why it gets confused Aug 27 21:46:59 patch files, wirc, etc Aug 27 21:47:28 im gonna assume its the lack of any data files Aug 27 21:51:30 * Ironsight plays with google's new voice search option with "How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood" Aug 27 21:53:03 version 3 of hulu fix is pushed Aug 27 21:53:08 has LNX support instead of win Aug 27 21:53:16 also uses sed to uninstall instead of backing a backup file Aug 27 21:54:13 * LarrySteeze slaps Cerealklr|AFK around a bit with a large trout Aug 27 21:54:32 * ka6sox prefers Salmon Aug 27 21:54:38 heh Aug 27 21:55:06 I'm coming to terms with the fact that I need to reboot my machine to run metadoctor :\ Aug 27 21:55:35 hm this sasl thing isn't too terrible to implement Aug 27 21:55:45 dwc--, on what? Aug 27 21:55:55 in general Aug 27 21:55:58 oh, irc Aug 27 21:56:13 sasl has been a pain Aug 27 21:56:41 cyrus-sasl *is* kinda a pain, if you're doing the server-side Aug 27 21:58:43 woot, rain has cleared...at least for now Aug 27 21:59:30 hmm... that's kinda lame Aug 27 21:59:44 the old PASS nick:pass auth still works on freenode Aug 27 22:00:00 but they still require SASL Aug 27 22:00:20 which seems like a rather misguided attempt to do something... I don't know what though Aug 27 22:03:35 hey i'm trying to install f15c eagle kernel but it fails verifying no existing modifications to packages and files it needs - any ideas how to fix this? i don't have any other kernels and i followed the instructions to the letter Aug 27 22:03:44 these instructions: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1230912 Aug 27 22:03:44 in case someone has time for some hand-holding: GOAL: VPN into work. PROBLEM: No mobile licenses, so I can't use Touchpad built in. SOLUTION: I'm using ubuntu-chroot and want to install a VPN client. Aug 27 22:04:26 mobile licenses? Aug 27 22:04:36 The guide I found says I should be able to install something from "Ubuntu Menu" (Network Manager Applet), but I can't find that in LXDE. Aug 27 22:04:56 anybody know what in the touchpad displays the Palm.com/ROM screen? Aug 27 22:05:01 dwc--, yes, my company uses Cisco AnyConnect, which has a separate license pool for mobile devices apparently Aug 27 22:05:16 wtf. Aug 27 22:05:40 lemme guess Aug 27 22:05:48 they charge more than they do for a normal seat Aug 27 22:06:00 squeeze some more money out of those iphone users Aug 27 22:06:03 yeah, iPad ID's itself as NOT a mobile device, apparently touchpad does the opposite Aug 27 22:06:14 dwc--, maybe iPhone, not the iPad :/ Aug 27 22:06:18 my wife being in the same room makes work impossible Aug 27 22:06:26 she keeps talking to me about news and the hurricane -_- Aug 27 22:06:37 installing uberkernel or warthogkernel all fail verification...so i'm at a loss. start from scratch? Aug 27 22:06:57 LarrySteeze, yup, and you've made the mistake of adjusting your hearing to ALWAYS hear her instead of the opposite ;) Aug 27 22:07:03 dFshadow : did you attempt to run ubuntu chroot? Aug 27 22:07:15 nope...why would i do that? Aug 27 22:07:16 * dwc-- connects to a cisco ipsec vpn and doens't have this problem Aug 27 22:07:40 no, the problem is whenever she talks I don't hear what she's saying...just that she's talking Aug 27 22:07:42 dwc--, hrm... do you use cert auth or the group/domain stuff? Aug 27 22:07:43 dFshadow : I had something similar, but I hadn't mounted ext3fs partition properly Aug 27 22:07:50 group/domain Aug 27 22:07:52 LarrySteeze, hah! Aug 27 22:07:56 so I have to physically take myself away from the computer and look at her to ask her "what" again Aug 27 22:07:59 dwc--, yeah, ours is cert :/ Aug 27 22:08:01 or she gets mad -_- Aug 27 22:08:17 well, ipsec vs anyconnect is pretty different Aug 27 22:09:00 I have a question that is easliy answered, are there any alternate lock screens for webos, or the touchpad in specific? Aug 27 22:09:16 N'siestacat: downloading now. mind telling me what i should do once i get it installed? Aug 27 22:09:28 UberKernel? Aug 27 22:09:34 no ubuntu chroot Aug 27 22:09:38 sHadow: contact the maintainer for the kernel or ask the author of the thread Aug 27 22:09:38 oh Aug 27 22:09:49 dFshadow : You'll have to meta-doctor via linux first. Aug 27 22:09:59 evulhotdog, do you mean Exhibition? Aug 27 22:10:06 exhibition? Aug 27 22:10:07 N'BrettQ__: none of the kernels work - it's got to be something on my end... Aug 27 22:10:32 evulhotdog, when your screen turns off on the Touchstone, it does "Stuff," is that what you're talking about? Aug 27 22:10:46 dFshadow : uncommenting the ext3fs partition option in the makefile. Then you'll have to run some commands and mount the ext3fs, then you can run ubuntu chroot Aug 27 22:11:08 No, i'm talking about just like different ways that you can unlock your phone, different ways to swipe your finger, drag up, down different animations, etc... Aug 27 22:11:14 flare576* Aug 27 22:11:16 dwc--, well, our IT did tell me to go to a website to download/install the AnyConnect client... but it doesn't seem to load in chromim Aug 27 22:12:10 evulhotdog, ooooooh, gotcha. As far as I know, no. you might want to ask again and the webOS Internals guys might have info about possible patching Aug 27 22:12:29 N'siestacat: i'm sorry, this is way above my head. won't waste your time. i can just stick with 1.5ghz overclock instead of 1.7 Aug 27 22:12:40 ask again where flare576 Aug 27 22:13:29 WIDK build failed: make: VBoxManage: Command not found Aug 27 22:13:29 here is the place :) I just don't have the answer for you, but I'm not sure who from WOSI is all here right now :) Aug 27 22:13:38 ahh Aug 27 22:13:48 well I cant do much then haha Aug 27 22:13:49 other than ask Aug 27 22:14:13 make: *** [rootfs/i686/.unpacked] Error 127 Aug 27 22:14:14 well, if they think it's possible, they might be able to find resources to allocate to it ;) Aug 27 22:14:38 flare576: sorry, not too familiar with the SSL vpn stuff Aug 27 22:14:49 I would imagine most clients aren't ARM though Aug 27 22:14:53 thanks anyway dwc-- :) Aug 27 22:15:06 hrm, you think that it'd be hardware specific? Aug 27 22:15:29 * flare576 isn't familiar with what crosses that line Aug 27 22:15:34 no, but I mean in terms of finding precompiled binaries of official clients Aug 27 22:17:11 dwc--, linux n00b unfortunately; How about this for a question: do you know how to get to Ubuntu's software manager from LXDE, or can you suggest a different windows manager for the ubuntu-chroot? Aug 27 22:17:33 not sure the graphical software manager is installed in the default chroot Aug 27 22:18:13 ohhhh, that would make sense! Aug 27 22:18:27 I'll look for installation instructions in the hopes that it works :) Aug 27 22:18:30 you can try apt-get install aptitude, and aptitude has a menu-based user interface at least Aug 27 22:18:56 or you could just try apt-get (or aptitude) install lxde Aug 27 22:19:33 sudo apt-get install lxde synaptic Aug 27 22:19:38 flare576: install Synaptic: apt-get install synaptic Aug 27 22:19:38 I have LXDE Aug 27 22:19:46 what's synaptic? Aug 27 22:19:49 sudo apt-get install synaptic Aug 27 22:19:55 package manager Aug 27 22:20:11 gui Aug 27 22:20:17 with pretty buttons Aug 27 22:20:17 :) Aug 27 22:20:21 ok, I'll try aptitude first (since I think that's the Ubuntu default) Aug 27 22:20:26 and if it fails, synaptic Aug 27 22:20:32 aptitude is cli, too Aug 27 22:20:45 nice ncurses gui though :P Aug 27 22:20:47 yeah, synaptic is for x Aug 27 22:21:30 I use aptitide on my ubuntu server, and synaptic on my workstations Aug 27 22:21:42 Ironsight, Meaning it doesn't have a CLI, or it only manages x-related packages? Aug 27 22:22:07 (PS: thank you all for helping me learn!) Aug 27 22:22:10 flare576, meaning that synaptic has a gtk user interface Aug 27 22:22:10 apt-get install aptitude Aug 27 22:22:18 aptitude isn't included in the barebones ubuntu chroot Aug 27 22:22:22 apt-get is ubuntu default theese days Aug 27 22:22:29 (in cli) Aug 27 22:22:31 so you use it in xorg or whatever xserver you use Aug 27 22:22:49 dwc--, I'm doing that now! Just learning the difference between aptitude and synaptic :) Aug 27 22:22:58 yeah, apt-get is the default... Aug 27 22:23:02 and apt-get works well Aug 27 22:23:07 yep Aug 27 22:23:20 I use apt-get 90 percent of the time Aug 27 22:23:25 k1l_, yup! I just want to get a GUI because, well, I don't know what I'm looking for most of the time, and seeing a list helpse Aug 27 22:23:25 flare576: synaptic looks like this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Synaptic-Package-Manager.png Aug 27 22:23:26 I'm looking for a quick few tips so I can get into the patch-making stuff with my touchpad Aug 27 22:23:26 I use aptitude Aug 27 22:23:37 for better dependency resolution and for uninstalling auto-installed dependencies Aug 27 22:23:43 aptitude looks like this: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/aptitude-screenshot.png Aug 27 22:23:46 I understand that I need to take apart something and build a diff to patch with Aug 27 22:23:48 * Ironsight nods at dwc Aug 27 22:24:04 if anyone has a short guide I can probably pick up the idea quickly Aug 27 22:24:08 apt-cache search is your friend in cli ;) Aug 27 22:27:23 in cli, mc is my friend Aug 27 22:27:31 Optimo_: have you visited the Wiki? Aug 27 22:27:37 midnight commander rocks Aug 27 22:27:42 steffen-, awesome, thanks for the screenshots!!! Aug 27 22:28:26 Ironsight, I see, Aptitude is still a little more advanced that I'm comfortable with, based on those screen shots... I might go synaptic for now :) Aug 27 22:28:52 http://lh5.ggpht.com/_1QSDkzYY2vc/TDOnbSuUrQI/AAAAAAAABaE/s7vqnPt1U30/midnight-commander.png Aug 27 22:28:55 dwc--, thank you for the info on dependency tracking; I have a bit of experience with software build processes outside of the Linux world, so I know that can get to be a big deal Aug 27 22:29:27 glad to assist Aug 27 22:29:27 (midnight commander aka mc, is a filemanager) Aug 27 22:29:32 flare576: yes the wiki sections on patches and even the subforums on the subject are mostly geared towards acquiring and installing them, I want to develop them Aug 27 22:29:48 mc is like norton command shell circa 1993 Aug 27 22:29:59 yep Aug 27 22:30:00 :) Aug 27 22:30:25 to be fair there doesn't seem to be a 'for devs' patch wiki page other than to say their format for packaging and how to submit them for inclusion Aug 27 22:30:27 Optimo_, I swear there's stuff in there about patch dev.... I know you'll need the Palm SDK, Aug 27 22:30:43 has anyone tried links2 on the chroot? Aug 27 22:31:08 or linx or elinks Aug 27 22:31:12 I got a few tidbits: I need a tool to introspect the framework files, and build some sort of diff Aug 27 22:31:22 Optimo_, and to use the SDK you'll have to install a back-version of VirtualBox, and then you use the Emulator to dig around for the bits you want to change Aug 27 22:32:06 and then I believe GIT to run the diff between your version and stock, and then you ship that diff as a patch Aug 27 22:32:47 (I haven't written a patch since the early versions of the Pre-, before it was minus Aug 27 22:33:02 I just realized I'm surrounded by a pre, 2 touchpads, carpc that I'm building, evo 3d, a kindle, and a server. Please tell me someone has more devices surrounding them right now so I don't feel like such a nerd Aug 27 22:33:21 then perhaps I do have that information at hand here, but it seems like a few steps more than is require. but I have time to figure it out. was just looking for a state-of-the-art writeup maybe Aug 27 22:33:44 LarrySteeze I have 11 iOS devices in the house Aug 27 22:33:44 LarrySteeze, I'm at PAX, so there are thousands of devices around me ;) Aug 27 22:34:06 Optimo_: I mean on my desk/right under my desk operating Aug 27 22:34:23 if you want me to list throughout the house, forget about it -_- Aug 27 22:34:30 :) Aug 27 22:38:51 yoyo Aug 27 22:39:25 I wish I could have gone to PAX Aug 27 22:39:28 questions to be asked! Aug 27 22:40:04 my wifi hangs when Im in roaming Aug 27 22:40:10 minimal version of android is running :) Aug 27 22:40:22 is this common? Aug 27 22:40:34 Optimo_, I'm sorry man, but I can't find anything either :( rwhitby or Puffy_wirc or any of the actual devs would be better help :( Aug 27 22:40:42 I mean data roaming Aug 27 22:40:54 z4ph0d, what device, OS version, etc? Aug 27 22:41:04 webos 2.1 pre2 Aug 27 22:41:16 crap, I won't be of any help :( Aug 27 22:41:30 if I enable data roaming wifi works Aug 27 22:41:33 if not Aug 27 22:41:38 wifi hangs Aug 27 22:41:45 totaly Aug 27 22:41:45 ifconfig hangs Aug 27 22:41:54 I have to poll batt Aug 27 22:42:07 crimsonredmk: you want us to put Arch chroot in Preware? Aug 27 22:43:16 this is pretty stupid Aug 27 22:43:29 I need to use wifi to save money Aug 27 22:43:51 Optimo_: patches are just diff -u rooted at / Aug 27 22:43:52 but I cant if I dont use data roaming, which wastes these money Aug 27 22:44:19 rwhitby: I will have to revisit this idea tomorrow. thank you, however Aug 27 22:44:50 Optimo_: github/webos-internals/patches Aug 27 22:46:15 rwhitby: have you heard of any success running metadoctor from vm? Aug 27 22:46:39 sure, meta-doctor runs anywhere, it's just a Makefile Aug 27 22:46:53 or are you referring to running the resulting custom doctor image? Aug 27 22:47:04 if you use VM software which does USB correctly Aug 27 22:47:08 sorry...that's exactly what I meant Aug 27 22:47:25 virtualbox isn't liking me -_- I'll tinker with it more Aug 27 22:47:53 or I suppose I could just move the doctor to my real windows machine Aug 27 22:47:56 * LS|VMFullScreen slaps himself Aug 27 22:48:22 So I just got a Palm Pixi really cheap and I want to tinker around with it… So what can I do to it? Aug 27 22:48:23 have a good night Aug 27 22:48:38 I have Preware, and have started installing some patches Aug 27 22:48:43 CPCookieMan: pretty much anything you want that the hardware allows Aug 27 22:48:47 CPCookieMan : Patches, Overclock Aug 27 22:48:55 I also bought a cheap ixi Aug 27 22:48:55 Can I install WebOS 3.0? Aug 27 22:48:58 I use it with pageplus Aug 27 22:49:01 Or perhaps 2.0? Aug 27 22:49:02 CPCookieMan : no Aug 27 22:49:09 It can *barely* run 2.1 Aug 27 22:49:15 It can? Aug 27 22:49:17 How? Aug 27 22:49:47 I was hard pressed to find ANY web os version hacking on the webs. Aug 27 22:50:22 And I'm the kind of person that runs 2.3 on a Droid Eris even though it's slow with 2.1 Aug 27 22:51:23 Could someone point me to a place where I can get instructions on running 2.1? It's a Verizon Pixi Plus Aug 27 22:51:42 sooo, wifi wont work without mobile data? Aug 27 22:51:50 did anyone port MAME to WebOS? Aug 27 22:52:17 z4ph0d, was that directed at me? I kinda need wifi... Aug 27 22:52:26 I'm curious ;) Aug 27 22:52:30 As the phone isn't activated Aug 27 22:52:38 u need joystick to play mame Aug 27 22:52:53 decently I mean Aug 27 22:53:03 z4ph0d: yeah I know that, but is there a port? Aug 27 22:53:13 I always wandered why they port mame for phones Aug 27 22:53:23 well there is the iControlPad Aug 27 22:53:25 People like to play games. Aug 27 22:53:27 its pointless Aug 27 22:53:27 On the go Aug 27 22:53:38 I'm just wondering who started the port Aug 27 22:53:41 they are useless Aug 27 22:53:44 I'm one of the people who work on MAME Aug 27 22:53:53 without real joystick Aug 27 22:54:08 http://icontrolpad.com/ but thats for phones Aug 27 22:54:57 rwhitby: make setup failed when trying to build WIDK Aug 27 22:55:15 theres also http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/retro-gaming/e762/ Aug 27 22:55:17 looks nice ;) Aug 27 22:55:20 when my touchpad gets hot the internet gets really slow, almost unuseablr Aug 27 22:55:22 does it work? Aug 27 22:55:34 unsuitable Aug 27 22:55:48 z4ph0d: apparently it does, over bluetooth Aug 27 22:55:57 five0four, I think z4ph0d was talking to balrog Aug 27 22:56:06 WIDK build failed: make: VBoxManage: Command not found Aug 27 22:56:10 seems someone already made it work with touchpad Aug 27 22:56:14 five0four, I have never seen that with mine... but how hot are you talking? and how are you getting it that hot? Aug 27 22:56:24 z4ph0d: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=15715 Aug 27 22:56:33 balrog: :) nice, still it costs almost as much as my pre... :) Aug 27 22:56:38 lol yeah :/ Aug 27 22:56:51 not to hot but I can feel it Aug 27 22:56:55 make: *** [rootfs/i686/.unpacked] Error 127 Aug 27 22:56:56 Can anyone assist me? Aug 27 22:57:15 I can't find where this so called WebOS 2.1 on the Palm Pixi is... Aug 27 22:57:24 CPCookieMan: what do you need? Aug 27 22:57:28 an update? Aug 27 22:57:33 you could use WebOS Doctor Aug 27 22:57:39 Well I'd like WebOS 2.1 on the Pixi Aug 27 22:57:49 who's your provider? Aug 27 22:57:52 and what do you have right now? Aug 27 22:57:56 STILL Aug 27 22:58:01 IM IN GREECE Aug 27 22:58:12 Verizon Pixi Plus, but it's not activated Aug 27 22:58:12 and MY WIFI wont work without data roaming Aug 27 22:58:18 very dissapointing Aug 27 22:58:29 CPCookieMan: it appears they never released 2.x for the Pixi Aug 27 22:58:34 govnah has is registering my touchpad at 40° Aug 27 22:58:37 and you can't just port 2.x over because of the different CPU Aug 27 22:58:39 whats the point of having wifi if u still need mobile data Aug 27 22:58:44 five0four: 40C? Aug 27 22:58:45 that's low Aug 27 22:58:47 z4ph0d: I'm sorry...I've been here but I haven't been paying attention Aug 27 22:58:53 what device are you using? Aug 27 22:58:54 yes Aug 27 22:59:01 pre2 Aug 27 22:59:09 webos 2.1 Aug 27 22:59:10 ;) Aug 27 22:59:14 what carrier? Aug 27 22:59:20 is it.. Lol I thought it was high Aug 27 22:59:24 CPCookieMan: I guess you pretty much have to upgrade to a pre2/veer (or hopefully a pre3) Aug 27 22:59:27 right now vodafone GR Aug 27 22:59:27 is it a frankenpre? Aug 27 22:59:39 Pre3 = Not going to happen Aug 27 22:59:49 do me a favor and turn on airplane mode Aug 27 22:59:53 they cancelled it, or costs too much? Aug 27 23:00:09 LS|VMFullScreen: I tried ;) Aug 27 23:00:15 humor me Aug 27 23:00:17 the thing is Aug 27 23:00:29 wifi hangs to the point Aug 27 23:00:36 that I need to poll the battery Aug 27 23:00:58 do you want me to try to help or do you want to tell me why it won't work? Aug 27 23:01:23 sorry Aug 27 23:01:30 I already tried airplane mode ;) Aug 27 23:01:35 no use Aug 27 23:01:42 I don't mean to come off as mean, so I'm sorry if that's the way I came across Aug 27 23:02:09 you tried airplane mode and while in airplane mode enabling wifi? Aug 27 23:02:25 not really Aug 27 23:02:35 try it. Aug 27 23:02:36 I tried to fix the frozen wifi Aug 27 23:02:47 with airplane mode Aug 27 23:02:58 I also tried using wifi with phone off Aug 27 23:03:05 do me a favor and restart your phone with the wifi off Aug 27 23:03:14 then put your phone into airplane mode Aug 27 23:03:21 and while it's in airplane mode, enablewifi Aug 27 23:03:21 IM IN GREECE? Aug 27 23:03:33 what does that have to do with anything? Aug 27 23:03:33 ok Aug 27 23:03:37 Ill try Aug 27 23:03:39 sec ;) Aug 27 23:03:53 sorry I just pressed arrow up :) Aug 27 23:03:58 ah Aug 27 23:04:07 does sshd need to be started manually on the Touchpad after a reboot? Aug 27 23:04:07 I was a bit confused... Aug 27 23:05:16 haha Aug 27 23:06:46 restart, wfi off Aug 27 23:07:01 ok Aug 27 23:07:06 now go into airplane mode Aug 27 23:07:27 and enable wifi Aug 27 23:11:37 anyone ahve running the synergy messaging plugins well on tp? Aug 27 23:12:23 ok...now I'm proud. My wife has a kindle on her lap and is playing with a touchpad Aug 27 23:13:18 yay tp's arrived! :D Aug 27 23:13:36 * Ironsight has a sad Aug 27 23:14:51 ok Aug 27 23:15:09 my dealer is sorta stringing us along it feels Aug 27 23:15:12 it works for now ;) Aug 27 23:15:16 LS|VMFullScreen: Aug 27 23:15:42 whats the trick Aug 27 23:15:46 ? Aug 27 23:16:03 I tried with phone off from adv menu Aug 27 23:16:03 ;) Aug 27 23:18:46 LS|VMFullScreen: still here? Aug 27 23:19:00 sorry Aug 27 23:19:08 popping between PM's and Vm Aug 27 23:19:19 so you got it working? Aug 27 23:19:32 I think so Aug 27 23:19:38 glad to hear it Aug 27 23:19:53 about this issue ;) Aug 27 23:19:54 any more hints Aug 27 23:19:57 I don't know why it was giving you an issue before, but I know wifi should work from within airplane mode, so I thought it was worth a shot Aug 27 23:20:24 the thing is Aug 27 23:20:34 it worked anyway, for about a minute Aug 27 23:20:39 then freeze Aug 27 23:20:41 ;) Aug 27 23:20:46 so it's frozen now? Aug 27 23:20:59 no Aug 27 23:21:00 I mean Aug 27 23:21:02 before Aug 27 23:21:07 now with airplane it works Aug 27 23:21:42 it might have something to do with it trying to disconnect from the data connection it thoght it had, but because it didn't have the data, it was trying to turn a switch off that wasn't there Aug 27 23:21:54 I doubt it, it doesn't make much sense, but *shrug* Aug 27 23:22:12 if you don't like the workaround, you could always try to doctor it Aug 27 23:22:37 I dont think this doctor thing Aug 27 23:22:56 is the real thing Aug 27 23:22:57 :) Aug 27 23:23:12 \I never reinstall os to fix singel problem Aug 27 23:23:22 this is bullshit ;) Aug 27 23:23:40 anyway Aug 27 23:23:47 the strange thing is Aug 27 23:23:54 well, I am gonna go back to fixing my own problems Aug 27 23:24:03 I used the phone at my country with data off,never had problem Aug 27 23:24:19 the problem appears only now when Im in reaming Aug 27 23:24:22 if there's anything else giving you issues that people here can't help with, feel free to PM me and the computer will beep at me Aug 27 23:24:52 LS|VMFullScreen: thanks for your time ;) Aug 27 23:25:02 you were helpfull :) Aug 27 23:36:43 why is the doctor a total piece of crap Aug 27 23:37:10 Its not. Its amazing imo Aug 27 23:42:23 unless you even mess with the LVM Aug 27 23:42:33 then it will refuse to install anything ever Aug 27 23:44:32 the hell? Aug 27 23:44:50 is having debian *and* ubuntu chroots a supported use? Aug 27 23:45:24 is that directed at me? Aug 27 23:45:40 i'd imagine so, and looks like they extract to ubuntu-natty-chroot and debian-squeeze-chroot nicely Aug 27 23:45:45 and the chroot scripts themselves respect that Aug 27 23:45:55 but since i installed the debian chroot, my ubuntu chroot has debian files Aug 27 23:46:10 strange... Aug 27 23:46:21 nbd, but if that's not supported it should be and i'll go fix it Aug 27 23:46:26 jonpry: nope, sorry :) Aug 27 23:48:57 hey all, what have I missed? Aug 27 23:49:01 dtzWill: ping Aug 27 23:49:07 Cerealklr: pong Aug 27 23:49:12 Awesome Aug 27 23:49:25 I have a quick question Aug 27 23:49:43 I was digging around in the app and saw you hadn't packaged the xrandr extension with XServer Aug 27 23:49:53 and that you didn't have an xorg file that I could find anywhere Aug 27 23:49:59 (did a find on the root of the device to be sure) Aug 27 23:50:32 how are you conf'ing it? Because when I launch gnome I get a ton of randr extension not found spew (presumably because it isn't disabled and isn't packaged with the running xserver) Aug 27 23:50:47 Which, so far as I know, I can't fix within the chroot because the XServer runs and is launched outside of it Aug 27 23:59:35 Cerealklr: i'm looking into fixes, hang tight. Aug 27 23:59:48 Okay, sounds great =D Aug 27 23:59:54 Cerealklr: there's no xorg.conf, it's statically configured since it uses kdrive Aug 28 00:00:03 i actually thought it did supported xrandr, just that it was stubbed out Aug 28 00:00:11 hmm Aug 28 00:00:19 I'll have to look up kdrive. I hadn't heard of it Aug 28 00:00:41 i just nuked my chroot's, can you run 'xdpyinfo' and see if 'RANDR' is there? Aug 28 00:00:49 you bet Aug 28 00:00:52 let me start it up Aug 28 00:01:02 then try 'xrandr -q', i think that should complain. Aug 28 00:01:21 i think i 'support' randr but don't offer /any/ information. i think even just reporting the resolution would get things going for the reported use cases Aug 28 00:01:31 (without supporting dynamically resizing/rotating, yet) Aug 28 00:01:38 but lmk what you get from that and we'll see Aug 28 00:01:44 yep, xrandr -q complains Aug 28 00:01:48 "RandR extension missing" Aug 28 00:01:50 and Aug 28 00:01:54 Cerealklr: but xpdyinfo shows it? Aug 28 00:02:07 (thanks!) Aug 28 00:02:19 hang on, looking through it Aug 28 00:02:23 have to more it Aug 28 00:02:26 =D Aug 28 00:03:05 yea, not listed under extensions Aug 28 00:03:08 I get a list of 20 others Aug 28 00:03:12 but it isn't there Aug 28 00:03:40 Cerealklr: heh! is composite? Aug 28 00:03:49 yep =] Aug 28 00:04:15 d'aww Aug 28 00:17:58 is there any way to pull up a virtual keyboard on the touchpad arbitrarily? Aug 28 00:18:18 trying to run an xterm but without a keyboard it's not terribly interesting :) Aug 28 00:19:20 mad props on getting x working on webos btw this is the coolest thing ever Aug 28 00:19:32 IKbrahimA Aug 28 00:19:36 check your webos version Aug 28 00:19:42 it needs to be 3.0.2 or newer Aug 28 00:19:48 IbrahimA:* Aug 28 00:19:56 i have 3.0.2 Aug 28 00:20:15 i have xterm running but i cant pull up a keyboard Aug 28 00:20:21 install tweaks if you haven't already and set keyboard size to be XS or bigger Aug 28 00:20:25 because it should be up by default Aug 28 00:20:28 =D Aug 28 00:20:45 alright Aug 28 00:21:00 lol i have an android phone but honestly webos seems a lot better designed in all aspects Aug 28 00:21:23 IbrahimA: That was my thought too. =D Aug 28 00:21:32 It's why i'vve been sticking to it =D Aug 28 00:22:11 this is a way more standard linux distro than android lol Aug 28 00:22:17 =] Aug 28 00:22:39 which tweak is it? Aug 28 00:22:54 or what am i looking for i mean (i assume in preware) Aug 28 00:22:58 Xecutah sets it up already Aug 28 00:23:01 just open tweaks Aug 28 00:23:06 and look in the system category Aug 28 00:23:09 ohh Aug 28 00:25:36 hmm Aug 28 00:25:44 it was set to XS, i increased it but i still get no keyboard Aug 28 00:26:09 and you're sure you'reon 3.0.2? (Hate to sound like a broken record, but everyone, including me, had that issue because we weren't) Aug 28 00:26:13 and I thoguht I was Aug 28 00:26:16 b/c i'd hit update Aug 28 00:26:19 oh Aug 28 00:26:21 but it cut off halfway without finishing Aug 28 00:26:29 lemme check then Aug 28 00:26:34 you can in system info =] Aug 28 00:26:44 mhm Aug 28 00:27:23 so if i use webos metadoctor to create an ext partition, is that going to wipe the other partitions or just shrink them without wiping? Aug 28 00:27:42 depends on how you do it, and where your information is located on the partition Aug 28 00:27:43 also, is this using lvm by default? can i resize partitions live on the device from an xterm? Aug 28 00:27:46 but for me everything seems to have survived Aug 28 00:27:50 hmm ok Aug 28 00:27:53 and that I don't know Aug 28 00:27:55 oh wtf you're right Aug 28 00:27:57 =D Aug 28 00:28:01 i did go to update but it lied to me Aug 28 00:28:07 the heck Aug 28 00:28:11 yep, you aren't alone =] Aug 28 00:28:13 i swear it even said 3.0.2 in system info Aug 28 00:28:14 Cerealklr: remember how I said I made my ext3 partition too small? Aug 28 00:28:18 yesterday Aug 28 00:28:19 like...5 hours ago Aug 28 00:28:21 I woudln't suggest doing it from an xterm Aug 28 00:28:30 resizing lvm partitions? Aug 28 00:28:32 well...I still haven't had a chance to metadoctor it since...sorry! :P Aug 28 00:28:33 Right, had to figure out your username Aug 28 00:28:35 =D Aug 28 00:28:40 but I'm working on a method to boot any initrd you want that would give you a shell without the system booted Aug 28 00:28:45 No problem =] Aug 28 00:28:45 if part of the metadoctor just a tarball of the /dev/store/root ? Aug 28 00:28:48 oh Aug 28 00:29:00 that would be pretty cool Aug 28 00:29:06 Cerealklr: is there a way to reboot into bootie? I'm working remotely Aug 28 00:29:21 Hrmmm. Aug 28 00:29:30 the doctor does it Aug 28 00:29:32 That's a good question, I haven't tried it Aug 28 00:29:32 IbrahimA: probably using precomd so novaterm will work Aug 28 00:29:38 I know how to do it manually Aug 28 00:29:47 lol you lost me there Aug 28 00:30:07 oh Aug 28 00:30:20 i see Aug 28 00:30:31 I mean you'll boot a file like this Aug 28 00:30:43 yeah i guess if you cant unmount the partitions you want to resize it'd be hard to resize them on the device itself Aug 28 00:30:46 novacom boot mem:// < precom.uImage Aug 28 00:30:50 then novaterm Aug 28 00:30:59 and have a root shell on an initrd Aug 28 00:31:21 very risky as far as data loss if you don't know what you are doing Aug 28 00:31:24 and then you can destroy your device like i did mine, woohoo Aug 28 00:31:27 haha yeah Aug 28 00:31:31 metadoctor will always be safer Aug 28 00:31:35 ok Aug 28 00:31:38 jonpry: what did you do? Aug 28 00:32:00 i tried to adjust the size of the lvm partition first via metadoctor Aug 28 00:32:21 but it wouldn't participate as it seems the repartitioning code path is old broken and stale Aug 28 00:32:40 so i did it manually through an initrd and tried to make the metadoctor thing no partitioning was required Aug 28 00:32:45 er think Aug 28 00:32:45 like almost everything in lvm2 Aug 28 00:32:51 looool Aug 28 00:33:11 lvm is so useful tho, speaking as a user Aug 28 00:33:32 no, metadoctor probably wouldn't work after this without clearning everyhign Aug 28 00:33:46 I see why you guys didn't do it this way, trenchcoat is a good approach Aug 28 00:33:49 yeah thats the thing. metadoctor can't clear everything Aug 28 00:34:07 the other thing is I'm working with tp where you don't have all the tokens and things required for the phone Aug 28 00:34:14 so it's probably easier to do Aug 28 00:34:43 you know there is a multi image inside of the doctor that will give you root shell with lvm and some other good stuff Aug 28 00:34:54 after partition 13 you can do what you want. Aug 28 00:34:59 nope Aug 28 00:35:15 can't even fudge the contents of the LVM. will blow up the doctor Aug 28 00:35:22 ? Aug 28 00:35:27 we do all the time. Aug 28 00:35:55 just do lvremove /dev/store/log Aug 28 00:36:20 and see how much fun you can have Aug 28 00:36:48 jonpry: no, didn't know that Aug 28 00:36:53 what's it called? Aug 28 00:37:05 what OS do you know of that can stand that kind of abuse/ Aug 28 00:37:46 nova-installer-image-topaz.uImage Aug 28 00:38:02 that's not for trenchcoat? Aug 28 00:38:16 yeah but it doesn't have to be Aug 28 00:38:24 it has novacom Aug 28 00:38:30 trenchcoat is not something to be used on a running system. Aug 28 00:38:46 ka6sox: right, this is for booting with novacom Aug 28 00:38:53 it wouldn't be a 'running' system Aug 28 00:39:15 tmzt_ this is the only way i have of using my tp atm Aug 28 00:39:16 unless I'm confused about what trenchcoat is Aug 28 00:39:40 jonpry: can you restore the lvm partitions manually from the doctor zip? Aug 28 00:40:02 trenchoat is a tool to create partitions/format them and install bits of the OS> Aug 28 00:40:15 i have restored the partitions using that uImage. i just need data to put data in them Aug 28 00:41:14 somebody is making me a tarball Aug 28 00:41:54 hopefully webos doesn't actually require anything but store/root Aug 28 00:41:59 dtzWill: How goes things? Aug 28 00:42:42 jonpry, you have a TP? Aug 28 00:42:51 yes Aug 28 00:43:13 download the doctor Aug 28 00:43:25 download from git metadoctor and read metadoctor. Aug 28 00:43:32 the doctor can't help me. thats what i've been going on about Aug 28 00:44:00 it tells you how the xml file that trenchcoat uses is controlled. Aug 28 00:44:01 its fubar and refuses to do anything if it detects the slightest thing is off with your partition table or LVM's Aug 28 00:44:23 i've have patched and reversed and disassembled half of the thing already Aug 28 00:44:33 have you used meta-doctor? Aug 28 00:44:37 yes Aug 28 00:44:44 thats what i have Aug 28 00:44:59 i'm particularly into the PATCH_DOCTOR=1 option Aug 28 00:45:17 I would look @ how metadoctor adds and deletes partitions like the ext3fs partition. Aug 28 00:45:23 i tried to change the meta-doctor makefile to resize the pv Aug 28 00:45:34 ....from "*" to 12gb Aug 28 00:45:59 ka6sox, thats how i got started on this whole disaster. i was like. umm patch meta doctor to get a new partition layout Aug 28 00:46:03 ....but when i launched the hjava doctor, it refused to mess with the partitions Aug 28 00:46:22 dharix, yes thats pretty ,much what i did Aug 28 00:46:46 then i figured if i resized the PV using fdisk so it would match the layout in that file, it would continue to install Aug 28 00:46:56 ^^^^^^ <------ don't go there Aug 28 00:47:23 thanks for the warning Aug 28 00:47:47 i guess if we need to use doctor in future, we need to stick with the lvm that's in there? Aug 28 00:48:13 unless you can figure out how to make repartition the thing Aug 28 00:48:14 what would happen if i wiped out the pv from the minimal uimage? Aug 28 00:48:36 ...will my modified metadoctor go through then? Aug 28 00:48:53 it gives some error about needing to uncheck the save /media option Aug 28 00:49:12 I don't see VGA in dmsg Aug 28 00:49:30 i can't find the source of that message anywhere in the doctor Aug 28 00:49:33 yeah, i tried grepping that message, didnt find it Aug 28 00:49:38 sigh Aug 28 00:49:49 i also tried wiping it out. no good Aug 28 00:50:09 anyway, anyone know how i can disable that bootlog and get kernel messages while booting? Aug 28 00:50:16 *bootlogo Aug 28 00:50:34 I'm thinking that webOS is like Amy winehouse Aug 28 00:50:49 i tried setting it to an "empty.tga" in the metadoctor makefile, but it only shows an empty screen Aug 28 00:51:01 any option in bootie? Aug 28 00:51:01 badger: high and on drugs 90% of the time? Aug 28 00:51:06 probably CONFIG_FB_CONSOLE Aug 28 00:51:19 and none of that boot logo stuff Aug 28 00:51:55 i tried setenv adding "fbcon=font:VGA8x8" to bootargs, didn't help Aug 28 00:51:56 it took death for the multitudes to see how good it/she was/is Aug 28 00:52:34 i think bootie sends the fbcon=disable bootarg automatically Aug 28 00:54:33 i find klog much easier to deal with Aug 28 00:54:46 * uNiXpSyChO someone hasnt installed my kernels, otherwise they would see the boot messages while booting. Aug 28 00:56:12 you konw what helps testing your program? actually copying it to the device first -.- Aug 28 00:56:17 yeah, i used klog, but one kernel image just hung somewhere, and i didn't find anything in the klog the next reboot Aug 28 00:56:25 I think more kernels have been compiled by new comers this week Aug 28 00:56:55 dtzWill: Ridiculous! I just stare at them hard until i'm sure the code is objectively correct. Aug 28 00:57:25 yay xdpyinfo reports XRANDR works, and xrandr shows the right reslutoin Aug 28 00:57:25 \o/ Aug 28 00:57:40 can't use randr to /set/ anything yet Aug 28 00:57:42 Wooot! Can't wait til i'm getting no errors at all anymore Aug 28 00:57:44 (rotation or resize) Aug 28 00:57:45 =D Aug 28 00:57:49 but this sohuld help with those tings Aug 28 00:57:54 Cerealklr: you have a good sample app i can try? Aug 28 00:58:00 dharix, that can happen but klog console is up way way earlier than fb console Aug 28 00:58:01 besides 'run gnome' or soething? Aug 28 00:58:01 lol Aug 28 00:58:29 sorry, that's all i've been working on. Does xrandr not complain? Aug 28 00:58:33 if so it sohuld probably cover things Aug 28 00:58:35 ok, maybe i messed up and that kernel didn't load at all Aug 28 00:59:18 it complains it can't get size of gamma for output default, but reports the correct resolution (including when keyboard is shown) Aug 28 00:59:29 i'm fairly certain the gamma error is entirely benign Aug 28 00:59:53 I would assume so. I don't think gnome needs to set gamma very frequently. Aug 28 00:59:57 =D Aug 28 01:00:56 yeah i think even just pretending to support xrandr would be enough Aug 28 01:01:22 to make things /run/, i got it reporting the resolution so you know they can use that to configure themselves neatly Aug 28 01:01:29 (apparently xfce4 uses this for it's panel placement?) Aug 28 01:01:51 ahh, makes sense Aug 28 01:03:39 out of curiousity, why do people want rotation? haha Aug 28 01:03:48 well Aug 28 01:03:56 some people prefer having their wide screen monitors Aug 28 01:04:01 serve as letterboxes Aug 28 01:04:07 (e.g. for code editing or document editing) Aug 28 01:04:28 but i'm not worried about it on a TP Aug 28 01:04:30 =D Aug 28 01:04:40 whats the best way to remove facebook from the touchpad, does uninstalling it break anything like removing nascar on the sprint pre did? Aug 28 01:10:47 Cerealklr: right, but the x server starts up using the acceleromoter Aug 28 01:11:02 so i mean why is changing it on-the-fly so especially important? shrug Aug 28 01:11:16 Oh? People have asked for it on the TP? Aug 28 01:11:22 I didn't think it mattewred on the TP at all =D Aug 28 01:11:36 yep, probably one of the most demanded features Aug 28 01:11:48 oh wow Aug 28 01:11:51 odd Aug 28 01:12:00 well, xrandr's probably the right path for that anyway I guess Aug 28 01:12:05 though I don't personally see the value Aug 28 01:12:17 I guess people expect to turn their device very frequently? Aug 28 01:12:26 i mean i'm not trying to hate on the idea--i had it as well--but just wanting to get a handle on what they expect that will let them do Aug 28 01:12:54 are there any applications for webos that will give dlna like features? Aug 28 01:12:56 I assume it's just jarring when the rest of the device rotates along with them Aug 28 01:12:59 except X apps Aug 28 01:13:16 I just sort of didn't expect it to, and have only used it when I could sit down with it Aug 28 01:13:25 so it didn't even occur to me Aug 28 01:15:37 heh Aug 28 01:15:55 i guess i also generally use the tablet with the rotation lock /on/ so i suppose i'm not one to understand :) Aug 28 01:16:03 go go gadget apt installer Aug 28 01:16:17 =D Aug 28 01:16:28 Cerealklr: you have a few minutes? would you mind testing the updated Xsdl? Aug 28 01:16:36 Nothing would make me happier Aug 28 01:16:39 (see if it resolves your gnome issues or w/e you're finding needed basic xrandr support?) Aug 28 01:16:46 Cerealklr: if i send you the binary can you put it where it goes? Aug 28 01:16:55 Sure, just let me know Aug 28 01:16:59 hehe sure thing Aug 28 01:17:53 (1 sec hafta recompile it...) Aug 28 01:18:01 okie Aug 28 01:19:24 Cerealklr: http://ompldr.org/vYTM0ZA Aug 28 01:19:50 Cerealklr: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.xserver/bin/Xsdl Aug 28 01:20:00 Cerealklr: wget -O /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.xserver/bin/Xsdl http://ompldr.org/vYTM0ZA Aug 28 01:20:05 lmk if that does the trick ^.^ Aug 28 01:20:33 patch gurus, any chance of applying http://szym.net/2010/12/adhoc-wifi-in-android/ to wpa_supplicant Dr the Touchpad? Aug 28 01:20:40 back Aug 28 01:20:48 =D I was waiting there in novacom Aug 28 01:20:52 since I saw it when I was poking around Aug 28 01:21:01 /s/novacom/novaterm Aug 28 01:22:45 okie, up to date Aug 28 01:22:48 let's test Aug 28 01:23:25 uhm Aug 28 01:23:29 is it a bad sign Aug 28 01:23:40 that my keyboard mappings appear to have disintegrated somehow? Aug 28 01:23:44 for my BT KB Aug 28 01:24:05 Cerealklr: kill server and try again? Aug 28 01:24:10 I did Aug 28 01:24:14 let me restart the device Aug 28 01:24:17 o_O Aug 28 01:24:18 okay ._. Aug 28 01:24:19 LarrySteeze had the issue earlier Aug 28 01:24:26 after following my instructions Aug 28 01:24:32 for setting up Netbook Remix Aug 28 01:24:36 but they disappeared after a restart Aug 28 01:24:39 inexplicably Aug 28 01:24:53 that's probably due to startup time taking longer than 3 seconds Aug 28 01:24:54 lol Aug 28 01:25:05 that stuff is a complete hack lol >.< Aug 28 01:25:11 ahhh Aug 28 01:25:17 so that's what the script was doing Aug 28 01:25:20 =D Aug 28 01:25:22 what a cheat Aug 28 01:25:31 we could always do it from the xterm stuff too, but that's lame also Aug 28 01:25:40 i like the xserver to set the key stuff all by its lonesome Aug 28 01:25:44 yep Aug 28 01:25:58 maybe some sort of a postinit script? Aug 28 01:26:13 I know X has support for such scripts Aug 28 01:26:22 Cerealklr: yes, taht's definitely where that xkb stuff would go Aug 28 01:26:25 from my poking/reading/poking Aug 28 01:26:34 Cerealklr: yeah, in ~/.xinitrc or a global one normally Aug 28 01:26:39 but kdrive doesn't use those Aug 28 01:26:44 ahhh Aug 28 01:26:48 i'll poke at it, lmk how the update works for you Aug 28 01:26:51 *needs to research kdrive* Aug 28 01:26:58 okay, restarting right now Aug 28 01:27:01 i'll let you know when I'm up Aug 28 01:27:44 ._. Aug 28 01:27:54 Sorry. =/ Aug 28 01:28:46 something doth appear to be horribly terribly wrong Aug 28 01:29:17 I'll try with the VKB Aug 28 01:30:11 dtzWill: VKB is nonfunctional as well. =/ Aug 28 01:31:21 o__O Aug 28 01:31:38 well you can uninstall xserver and reinstall it to get stock xsdl Aug 28 01:31:42 but i really don't see that being related :( Aug 28 01:31:57 (but does seem like quite the ...coincidence) Aug 28 01:32:08 root@Libido:/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.xserver/bin# wget -O Xsdl http://ompldr.org/vYTM0ZA Aug 28 01:32:12 just to make sure i'm not clinically insane Aug 28 01:32:15 right? Aug 28 01:32:39 looks good to me. Aug 28 01:32:47 =/ Aug 28 01:33:06 better to be insane, I think Aug 28 01:33:06 libido, eh? Aug 28 01:33:08 =/ Aug 28 01:33:22 Yep, my new naming scheme Aug 28 01:33:37 well, at least you can say you have libido :P Aug 28 01:33:53 Id: Pre+, Ego: Asus G50Vt Laptop, SuperEgo: Asus P50T server, Libido: TouchPad Aug 28 01:34:35 I was going with greek gods for servers and norse ones for laptops before, but honestly, I'm unlikely to ever have more than one of each Aug 28 01:34:53 and i'd rather my naming scheme be a bit less cliche and more personalized to the technology I do have Aug 28 01:34:56 =D Aug 28 01:35:31 Cerealklr: see pm for debugging help :) Aug 28 01:39:28 \o/ resolved Aug 28 01:39:36 Cerealklr: now see if the xrandr fix works, hehee Aug 28 01:39:42 working on it! =D Aug 28 01:39:56 xrandr reports things that look good Aug 28 01:39:59 =D Aug 28 01:40:03 trying to start a session! Aug 28 01:40:48 not a single complaint about it yet! Aug 28 01:41:09 man, hack upon hack upon hack Aug 28 01:41:12 underlying this thing Aug 28 01:41:17 but it looks like it's legitimately all working Aug 28 01:41:20 =D Aug 28 01:42:03 \o/ Aug 28 01:42:06 Cerealklr: hack upon hack? Aug 28 01:42:15 I've layered 2-3 levels of hack Aug 28 01:42:21 upon the hacks you had in XServer Aug 28 01:42:30 and i've got to believe Xecutah isn't clean either Aug 28 01:42:32 =D Aug 28 01:42:57 idk xecutah is pretty clean Aug 28 01:43:09 and xserver isn't all that hacky, shrug. maybe i'm just too used to it O:) Aug 28 01:43:20 sleep 3 Aug 28 01:43:29 ;] Aug 28 01:43:33 Cerealklr: that's the only part, psh Aug 28 01:43:33 lol Aug 28 01:46:00 dtzWill: Next thing! =3 Aug 28 01:46:19 X believes our touchscreen is a generic capacitive one Aug 28 01:46:23 I have no idea if that is you or me. Aug 28 01:46:26 =P Aug 28 01:46:36 but I want multitouch and I think other people will too Aug 28 01:46:43 (RMB, I choose you!_ Aug 28 01:49:32 * Cerealklr really wishes he had apt-get in WebOS, so he could just update upstart and remove 19 layers of hacks and have actual process monitoring so he could find out what the issue was Aug 28 01:50:54 the bad thing about this big influx of newbies is that they are helping each other install things in the testing feed...then getting mad when something different than they were hoping happens and it ends up "bricked" Aug 28 01:51:53 i'm not actively participating in the room, but the number of times I've seen someone say "govnah is a piece of crap! it bricked my touchpad!" is rediculous Aug 28 01:52:01 bwahahahah Aug 28 01:52:24 and I'm sorry Aug 28 01:52:37 but if you have to ask what a kernel is...you shouldn't be using the testing feed. Period. Aug 28 01:53:01 Cerealklr: won't hold out on multitouch, at least not in the immediate future Aug 28 01:54:31 sorry to hop in late Aug 28 01:54:51 what are we looking for multitouch support on? linux gui? Aug 28 01:55:07 Yep Aug 28 01:55:13 gotcha Aug 28 01:55:20 dtzWill: darn! going to be a lot harder to use ubuntu without RMB Aug 28 01:55:29 technical issues I presume? Aug 28 01:55:51 looking for multitouch support within applications or as an overlay on the whole OS? Aug 28 01:56:06 well Ubuntu has support for Multitouch Aug 28 01:56:09 via utouch and ginn Aug 28 01:56:15 but X isn't seeing the touchpad's screen Aug 28 01:56:19 ah Aug 28 01:56:19 as a multitouch-capable device Aug 28 01:56:47 so it's not actually the os with the issue then because the os isn't even being told it has a multitouch device Aug 28 01:57:04 that's what it looks like Aug 28 01:57:11 though I could be wrong, since i've not used utouch/ginn before Aug 28 01:57:15 only read of them Aug 28 01:57:51 Cerealklr: mostly just not committing to anything atm :). hobby and all ^.^ Aug 28 01:58:07 well now that I've finally gotten my wife involved in a game on her touchpad I may have a moment to stop helping her "do all the cool things she's seen me do" so let me finally get this thing partitioned and chrooted Aug 28 01:58:19 I'm starting to wish I saved a TP specifically for dev work Aug 28 01:58:24 dtzWill: fair enough. Have you put up a donation link? I've got to believe people have been donating for this sort of thing Aug 28 01:59:43 Cerealklr: also, i just ran into this: http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/X11server/X11server-85/xinit/xinit-1.1.1/xinit.c Aug 28 01:59:52 Cerealklr: apple's xinit.c has a sleep(2) in it! Aug 28 01:59:53 so there! ;) Aug 28 02:00:08 HAH, Apple is faster than you are! Aug 28 02:00:11 =D Aug 28 02:00:46 actually, this reminds me of an errant error i've got in a xorg.log.1 (I think that's an old log, but I don't know where it came from...) Aug 28 02:00:57 Cerealklr: we don't write to that log file :( Aug 28 02:01:10 just making sure it wasn't on your part Aug 28 02:01:16 =D\ Aug 28 02:01:22 would've made my life too easy Aug 28 02:01:26 =D Aug 28 02:02:25 mhkjh Aug 28 02:02:57 well, what the hell Aug 28 02:03:00 * LS|VMFullScreen loves the new purple-ness of ubuntu :-) Aug 28 02:03:03 i'm already buried in crazy up to my neck Aug 28 02:03:07 lets try being even more insane Aug 28 02:03:27 well, apart from the spam about gnome-session demanding it be the window manager Aug 28 02:03:30 that... worked? Aug 28 02:03:33 why in the hell did that work Aug 28 02:03:36 Cerealklr: hooray! :D Aug 28 02:03:53 this is seriously the most ridiculous possible thing ever possible ever. Aug 28 02:03:56 This can't work. Aug 28 02:04:00 Okay, there it went. Aug 28 02:04:04 puff and rwhitby are voiced in #touchdroid O.o Aug 28 02:04:12 oh so is destinal Aug 28 02:04:23 starting a gnome-session Aug 28 02:04:26 as the non-root user Aug 28 02:04:27 and more 0.o Aug 28 02:04:29 works perfectly Aug 28 02:04:34 until it finishes initializing Aug 28 02:04:43 (during which you can launch and use apps and everything works fine) Aug 28 02:04:46 hurt me baby....make me write bad checks... Aug 28 02:04:52 and then it tries to do some postinit something Aug 28 02:05:00 and crashes the Xserver silently Aug 28 02:05:15 and since it doesn't log into the chroot, I have no idea where to find out what's causing the crash Aug 28 02:05:35 do you keep a log somewhere, dtzWill? Aug 28 02:06:50 Cerealklr: /tmp/xserver.log Aug 28 02:07:14 gracias! Aug 28 02:07:40 * Cerealklr makes a mental note to amend the Ubuntu Netbook Remix page with *super* special thanks to dtzWill Aug 28 02:08:04 o 000000 Aug 28 02:08:24 oops Aug 28 02:08:27 Yuck, no time stamps! Aug 28 02:08:39 had to tell what's new and old Aug 28 02:08:42 but none of this looks relevant Aug 28 02:08:51 which is even stranger Aug 28 02:08:59 is it possible for Xserver to crash without a single log? Aug 28 02:09:12 that just sounds like poor design, considering how well established and venerated X11 is Aug 28 02:09:52 had => hard* Aug 28 02:10:04 what's the deal with the graphics driver? ca Aug 28 02:10:19 n I get vga? Aug 28 02:11:26 Cerealklr: it's always a single log Aug 28 02:11:37 badger, where would you connect the monitor? Aug 28 02:11:41 my wording may've been unclear Aug 28 02:11:42 Cerealklr: you're not running a normal x server Aug 28 02:11:51 I meant, can X crash without logging a single message? Aug 28 02:12:15 (does anyone know, would there be a coredump generated for it if it just segfaulted?) Aug 28 02:12:25 ka6sox: the adreni Aug 28 02:12:35 hey no hating but how do I push files to the pre (i assume via novacom) Aug 28 02:12:55 correct Aug 28 02:13:01 two secs there's a writeup Aug 28 02:13:04 looking for it Aug 28 02:13:08 thank you Aug 28 02:13:18 badger, the what? Aug 28 02:13:18 i checked teh wiki Aug 28 02:13:19 i no find Aug 28 02:13:29 y u no find? Aug 28 02:13:45 who knows Aug 28 02:14:05 how about SSH? Aug 28 02:14:18 http://palmpre-hacks.com/palm-pre-hacks/how-to-ssh-into-your-palm-pre/ Aug 28 02:14:34 im an idiot Aug 28 02:14:36 i said pre Aug 28 02:14:40 when i meant touchpad Aug 28 02:14:41 lolz Aug 28 02:14:45 sorry Aug 28 02:14:48 EliteTek: could you choose a more out of date and obsolete web site? Aug 28 02:14:57 oh rwhitby Aug 28 02:14:58 hi Aug 28 02:14:58 ardreno device Aug 28 02:14:59 lol Aug 28 02:15:01 i'll just PM you Aug 28 02:15:02 :P Aug 28 02:15:09 OpenSSH is in Preware. Doco is on the wiki. You're in #webos-internals, man. Use the resources which match,. Aug 28 02:15:23 * Log1x slaps rwhitby around a bit with a large trout Aug 28 02:15:30 lol pre hacks .com Aug 28 02:16:11 BrettQ: make setup often fails. just make the dependencies you need. Aug 28 02:16:51 ka6sox: the graphics device is not in dmesg Aug 28 02:17:28 rwhitby: you always pop in at the most awesomely perfect times Aug 28 02:17:40 badger, for what device? Aug 28 02:18:28 so ok Aug 28 02:18:31 let me try this agian Aug 28 02:18:38 I'm part of the touchdroid project Aug 28 02:18:44 and am compiling a new kernel Aug 28 02:18:51 everything works except wifi Aug 28 02:18:58 i assume i need to load in the new wifi module i compiled Aug 28 02:19:10 vinylfreak89: best to not discuss the touchdroid project in this room Aug 28 02:19:13 problem is i have no idea how to get it on to the touchpad? Aug 28 02:20:12 ok well assume im not working on that project then Aug 28 02:20:22 still how would i get my module over ot the touchpad Aug 28 02:21:17 there's no reason to get the module over to the touchpad, wifi works out of the gate Aug 28 02:26:09 sup mates Aug 28 02:26:40 BrettQ: have you tested that adhoc patch to wpa_supplicatn? Aug 28 02:27:27 also rwhitby it was a troll. Aug 28 02:27:36 Cerealklr: what's not clean about Xecutah? Aug 28 02:27:37 first result that came up in google. Aug 28 02:28:57 I got a problem I'm hoping someone can help me with. Aug 28 02:29:28 I just got my Pre 2 upgraded to 2.1 on VZW and my wifi doesn't work to connect to my router and the hotspot isn't working either. Aug 28 02:30:25 * rwhitby wonders why Log1x is wielding trouts Aug 28 02:30:25 ka6sox: touchpad. Aug 28 02:30:45 is it bootloader or kernr Aug 28 02:30:53 badger, and what kernel are you trying to boot? Aug 28 02:30:57 so as an American, do I have no chance of getting a Pre3, even a UK one? Aug 28 02:31:08 you have a chance Aug 28 02:31:12 vinylfreak89: where's the public source repo for the kernel you are compiling? Aug 28 02:31:20 but you'll have to find someone in the UK to sell it to you Aug 28 02:31:43 I don't know UK peeps Aug 28 02:31:44 ka6sox: I think I am uberkernel Aug 28 02:31:48 http://www.github.com/vinylfreak89/touchpad-kernel Aug 28 02:31:54 I don't want to go around trolling on the forums or w/e Aug 28 02:32:27 vinylfreak89: thx. you can use novacom put file://path/to/file < file to send stuff to the device Aug 28 02:32:45 badger, okay what are you trying to do? just get uberkernel to boot? Aug 28 02:32:50 thank you :D Aug 28 02:33:01 and that can direct it to any folder i presume Aug 28 02:33:22 can that be done when the device is on Aug 28 02:33:24 or only in bootie? Aug 28 02:33:43 ka6sox: no use vga Aug 28 02:33:46 i wonder who named it bootie ? lol Aug 28 02:33:47 To the other WebOS Internals devs in here, here's the questions I'm asking new people appearing to determine whether it's worth assisting them: Aug 28 02:33:57 1) where's the public source for what you are doing Aug 28 02:34:15 2) how old are you, and what's your open source background Aug 28 02:34:36 3) if it's related to android, what is your position on the illegal redistribution of the HP and qualcomm files that is happening at the moment? Aug 28 02:35:27 i'm not a webos-internals dev, but that looks good to me, except the age part Aug 28 02:35:42 booo the illegal distribution. This is when companies start locking down things Aug 28 02:35:46 Xuzz: the age thing unfortunately has been added due to the events of the last week Aug 28 02:35:55 badger, there is NO vga device on the Touchpad. Aug 28 02:35:58 Xuzz: in general, there is no age discrimination here Aug 28 02:36:00 ironically this is the greatest thing that has happened since nmapn Aug 28 02:36:04 the events of last week? Aug 28 02:36:05 shit Aug 28 02:36:09 rwhitby: okay, I completely missed it, what happened last week? Aug 28 02:36:13 If you follow the rules, good things will happened Aug 28 02:36:17 Xuzz: the whole touchdroid drama Aug 28 02:36:19 larrysteeze trust you really dont want to know Aug 28 02:36:23 gotcha Aug 28 02:36:23 back is too close to delete Aug 28 02:36:29 rwhitby: I must have missed that. Is there a link? Aug 28 02:36:34 I think I know Aug 28 02:36:45 Xuzz: we've had groups of teenagers go on retaliation raids in #webos for example Aug 28 02:36:50 >_> Aug 28 02:36:57 first time we've had to ban anyone in two years Aug 28 02:37:13 retaliation raids for what? Aug 28 02:37:21 what was their reasoning Aug 28 02:37:26 which is unfortunate because a lot of our #webos devs actually are teenagers Aug 28 02:37:40 since nmap was in the matrix Aug 28 02:37:44 we banned a serial pest. he went to #touchdroid and got his mates to retaliate Aug 28 02:38:18 does touchdroid still have a power transfer/struggle every couple hours? Aug 28 02:38:20 took almost an hour to get things back to our normal level of civility and respect for others. Aug 28 02:38:40 what about that member who stole $$$ from them? Aug 28 02:38:49 vinylfreak89: novacom put and get needs novacomd running on the device Aug 28 02:39:04 vinylfreak89: bootie can do boot and klog and maybe a couple of other commands Aug 28 02:39:23 ok thanks Aug 28 02:39:30 bnceo: apart from the effect on our channels, this is not the place to go into the things that happen in other channels Aug 28 02:39:35 so is novacomd running by default? Aug 28 02:39:40 vinylfreak89: in webOS, yes. Aug 28 02:39:46 if you're in developer mode Aug 28 02:39:49 ok ty Aug 28 02:39:50 yep Aug 28 02:39:51 i am Aug 28 02:40:01 LarrySteeze: nothing at all wrong with teenage developers. Aug 28 02:40:14 LarrySteeze: as you say, webOS has some great ones Aug 28 02:40:21 [07:30 PM] <@rwhitby> 3) if it's related to android, what is your position on the illegal redistribution of the HP and qualcomm files that is happening at the moment? << I have to say, it seems the entire Android community is completely uncaring about any of this kind of stuff. I actually thought that XDA-Developers was a warez site because everything I've seen there was generally infringing copyright in some way. Aug 28 02:40:29 <- teenage developer Aug 28 02:40:38 Xuzz: and a good one Aug 28 02:40:44 Xuzz i will say this Aug 28 02:40:48 rwhitby: realisticaly Aug 28 02:41:08 in order to make any non developer phones customized Aug 28 02:41:20 (in other words our own ROMs) we have to take proprietary files Aug 28 02:41:24 or else it would not function Aug 28 02:41:25 vinylfreak89: not developer phones, just developer mode Aug 28 02:41:27 rwhitby: I know it's not a discrimination thing...it's just unfortunate Aug 28 02:41:30 vinylfreak89: on Android, that is? Aug 28 02:41:36 Xuzz yes Aug 28 02:41:42 rgr dgr Aug 28 02:41:45 vinylfreak89: that's generally completely incorrect. Aug 28 02:41:53 really? Aug 28 02:42:00 Xuzz: indeed, it's usually just the convenient option that most take Aug 28 02:42:07 do u know how to build qualcom proprietary libraries? Aug 28 02:42:10 like for gpu Aug 28 02:42:12 and such Aug 28 02:42:12 is the webos internals forum still active on xda? Aug 28 02:42:21 bnceo: no such forum. Aug 28 02:42:32 even for android developer phones Aug 28 02:42:40 proprietary binaries are required Aug 28 02:42:48 its just in that case they're legally distributed Aug 28 02:42:53 bnceo: there is a webOS forum. mainly it's people posting stuff from our wiki pages and taking credit for it Aug 28 02:42:54 evening gents Aug 28 02:43:06 things like egl, gps, ril, etc are not open sourced Aug 28 02:43:15 vinylfreak89: for example, iOS is completely closed source, and PwnageTool exists (similar to meta-doctor, atually), having the end user create the modified firmware themself, from a proprietary source firmware and open source community modifications Aug 28 02:43:20 Crims0n: ArchLinux ? Aug 28 02:43:25 rwhitby: you mean like half of the stuff in a bunch of "webos rooting" wikis? Aug 28 02:43:48 LarrySteeze: and "install ubuntu on your touchpad" article Aug 28 02:43:54 s Aug 28 02:44:10 Xuzz: yeah, same as Meta-Doctor Aug 28 02:44:29 yeah Aug 28 02:44:34 rwhitby: Sorry, did you PM me? my chat client seems to have thrown it out. Also, I don't know if anything's unclean about it. =D I just said I'd be surprised if it didn't use anything hacky, since I have a pretty wide definition of hacky Aug 28 02:44:35 vinylfreak89: It takes slightly more work, however, it is generally possible to have the user perform the mixing themself and not violate any copyrights to do whatever you want to the device Aug 28 02:44:52 rwhitby: I think you are wasting yourself as a meeter and greeter, and figher of all things pointless. David Beckham would probably be an exceptional window cleaner. but he doesn't clean his own windows. Aug 28 02:44:55 ok well when u compile the android source prelinking and such needs to be done to the binaries Aug 28 02:45:12 I'm somewhat influenced by Paul Graham in terms of what I consider a hack to be and how I view it (a creative and strange solution, as opposed to a frowned upon failure to accomplish something in an official way) Aug 28 02:45:13 in order to get them to play nice in memory Aug 28 02:45:27 Cerealklr: fair enough Aug 28 02:45:41 that would mean that to avoid proprietary distribution everyone would always have to compile the OS themselves Aug 28 02:45:57 unfortunately the internet makes it entirely too easy to steal work Aug 28 02:46:06 vinylfreak89: then that's the price of doing stuff on that platform Aug 28 02:46:16 vinylfreak89: the "open" android platform that is Aug 28 02:46:33 rwhitby there is nothing unopen about android Aug 28 02:46:41 its just hardware stuff thats "closed" Aug 28 02:46:46 vinylfreak89: nothing unopen about AOSP, not Android. Aug 28 02:46:58 vinylfreak89: in that case, if Android is designed poorly for that kind of stuff, you might just need to shift some of the build process over to the client, or develop a compatibility shim. either way, it is certainly not impossible to release something without violating copyright, and I consider doing stuff like that simply lazy. Aug 28 02:47:05 and propreitary UIs Aug 28 02:47:14 such as sense etc Aug 28 02:48:09 I'm interested in seeing how touchdrod is going to port honeycomb without using anything proprietary Aug 28 02:48:20 forgive me for my n00bishness but what is the fundamental difference between the homebrew SDK and the official one? Aug 28 02:48:22 vinylfreak89: Another thing is the Android Market and related Google Apps: also not legally redistributable, but it would not be insane to have a tool to grab them from a legal place owned or authorized by Google, and then patch them as necessary. However, I don't see that happening at all on Android, only illegal distribution. Aug 28 02:48:46 bad. power went out Aug 28 02:49:08 larysteeze we will HAVE to use some proprietary files from that leak Aug 28 02:49:11 LarrySteeze: At this point, since Android 3.x is simply not open source at all, I don't expect to be ported at all — even the Android super-popular Nook Color has only Android 2.3, not 3.0. Aug 28 02:49:12 there's no way around it Aug 28 02:49:23 vinylfreak89: No, that is incorrect, you could developer your own drivers. Aug 28 02:49:32 Android was ported to the iPhone, nobody needed a leak for that. Aug 28 02:49:38 lol it was? Aug 28 02:49:43 i didn't know that Aug 28 02:49:53 http://www.idroidproject.org/ Aug 28 02:50:19 can we go back to talking some webos? Aug 28 02:50:25 im sorry but that too funny Aug 28 02:50:30 yes i'll shut up now Aug 28 02:50:47 bnceo: sounds good to me! Aug 28 02:51:01 xuzz if u want ot discuss this further feel freee to PM me Aug 28 02:51:11 is it fairly simple to port native linux apps with the preware sdk? Aug 28 02:51:14 not really that interested, actually :( Aug 28 02:51:17 ok Aug 28 02:51:22 sorry for taking your time then Aug 28 02:51:26 and thanks guys for your help Aug 28 02:52:14 woot! vim for webos! Aug 28 02:52:43 Crims0n: are you the same Crims0nRed doing ArchLinux chroot? Aug 28 02:52:50 np Aug 28 02:53:21 Crims0n: WIDK page on wiki, plenty of examples in the preware/cross-compile.git repo Aug 28 02:54:05 rwhitby: no sir, but thank you Aug 28 02:54:10 rwhitby getting an error Aug 28 02:54:13 C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin>novacom put file://..\librasdioif.ko-2 /tmp/ Aug 28 02:54:13 bad or error response from other side: 'file open failed' Aug 28 02:54:20 tolland: I've spent 2 years on this stuff. Not going to let it be drawn down into behaviours exhibited in touchdroid channels. It'll pass in a couple of weeks and things will be back to normal. Aug 28 02:55:33 either android will get ported, and folks will start to use it and we'll never see them again, or it'll be a crap port and folks will either use webOS or sell the device. Aug 28 02:55:54 I seriously don't understand why anyone wants to run Android 2.x on a TouchPad. Aug 28 02:56:01 (Or, even, Android 3.x) Aug 28 02:56:02 sell back to us! Aug 28 02:56:06 either way, it's just a transient effect which needs to be kept outside the walls. Aug 28 02:56:15 bnceo: I'd be completly fine with that. Aug 28 02:56:20 because they havent used webos yet Aug 28 02:56:43 rod, what is the plan for the webathon donations? still need to get devs TPs? Aug 28 02:58:02 bnceo: we're looking for as many Pre 3's and TouchPads as we can get our hands on. We have funds to purchase many of each. Aug 28 02:58:36 i figured it out Aug 28 02:58:39 is there something like a bash app in prepare? didn't see anything... really any kind of terminal. Aug 28 02:58:40 quick google search :D Aug 28 02:58:41 LarrySteeze and others are on the look-out for devices, acting as "brokers" for us. Aug 28 02:59:02 Crims0n: google "Xecutah" Aug 28 02:59:04 I'm no broker lol Aug 28 02:59:12 "finder" maybe? Aug 28 02:59:22 *sigh* Aug 28 02:59:39 "someone doing good by trying to find devices for us" Aug 28 02:59:41 I may not be on the list, or considered so by others, but I consider myself part of the community >.< **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 28 02:59:57 2011