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Aug 28 03:00:32 <rwhitby> LarrySteeze: a valued member indeed
Aug 28 03:00:47 <bnceo> finding one is so tough!
Aug 28 03:00:56 * Cerealklr highfives LarrySteeze
Aug 28 03:01:06 * Xuzz has six people he's supposed to be trying to get a TouchPad for.
Aug 28 03:01:08 <LarrySteeze> -_- a pity high five
Aug 28 03:01:13 * LarrySteeze now feels like a teenager
Aug 28 03:01:23 <Xuzz> (as well as trying to get a Prē myself)
Aug 28 03:01:24 <Cerealklr> =D I don't know if I'd say that
Aug 28 03:01:57 <bnceo> I am trying to order a pre2 and black veer.
Aug 28 03:02:14 <Xuzz> are those hard to find
Aug 28 03:02:15 <Xuzz> ?
Aug 28 03:02:20 <Cerealklr> I've got a veer, but no way to use it as anything more than a dev device. Curse it being locked into GSM. =[
Aug 28 03:02:42 <LarrySteeze> it doesn't have to be locked into gsm
Aug 28 03:03:00 <Cerealklr> There's a way to use it on a CDMA network? 0.o
Aug 28 03:03:05 <LarrySteeze> absolutely
Aug 28 03:03:13 <Xuzz> huh?
Aug 28 03:03:16 <EdLin> LarrySteeze it doesn't have a CDMA radio.
Aug 28 03:03:21 <Crims0n> thank you rwhitby
Aug 28 03:03:28 <EdLin> LarrySteeze it's on AT&T.
Aug 28 03:03:34 <Xuzz> rwhitby: mind if I try and fix that preware bug where you cannot tap the last package in the list on a TouchPad, or is it already fixed?
Aug 28 03:03:42 <LarrySteeze> I kknow
Aug 28 03:03:45 <Cerealklr> I was about to say that I didn't think my pre comboard would fit in the veer
Aug 28 03:03:46 <EdLin> LarrySteeze I see you're unfamiliar with US mobile provider brain damage.
Aug 28 03:03:48 <Cerealklr> =D
Aug 28 03:03:48 <rwhitby> Xuzz: please do. something about render limit
Aug 28 03:03:53 <LarrySteeze> no :-\
Aug 28 03:04:00 <rwhitby> someone posted a verbal fix somewhere
Aug 28 03:04:06 <LarrySteeze> I got distracted by a PM and it killed my joke
Aug 28 03:04:10 <rwhitby> Xuzz: 36 rings a bell
Aug 28 03:04:16 <tolland> Xuzz: yaeh
Aug 28 03:04:18 <LarrySteeze> I was going to suggest a mobile hot spot and to dev a voip app :-\
Aug 28 03:04:24 <Cerealklr> =D
Aug 28 03:04:28 <Cerealklr> I actually considered that
Aug 28 03:04:39 <Cerealklr> but figured it'd be easier to make a franken+ and use that instead
Aug 28 03:04:49 <rwhitby> Xuzz: what sort of Pre are you looking for?
Aug 28 03:05:08 <bnceo> frankenpre is a God send.
Aug 28 03:05:31 <Cerealklr> bnceo: Yep, it's running WebOS 2.x as fast as my poor overworked Pre ran 1.x
Aug 28 03:05:49 <Xuzz> rwhitby: Pre 3. I supposedly have one ordered in Ireland via a friend, but he ordered one for himself as well and there was a theoretical limit of 1 per customer.
Aug 28 03:06:25 <wrea> I wish I got ahold of a Pre 3 or a 2 for that matter
Aug 28 03:09:25 <rwhitby> Xuzz: yeah, Pre 3's are hen's teeth, even at $500 full price
Aug 28 03:10:04 <Xuzz> rwhitby: I see one on Amazon here in the US for like $550, but I'm going to try and see if this one I might have at the reduced price works out first.
Aug 28 03:10:30 <rwhitby> Xuzz: folks in the UK got told only full price sales
Aug 28 03:10:39 <Xuzz> heh
Aug 28 03:10:45 <roadkill> Wow, that's screwed.
Aug 28 03:10:47 <Xuzz> not sure where my friend got it from
Aug 28 03:11:05 <Jack87> what was all this talk about a $75 pre 3?
Aug 28 03:11:11 <roadkill> What happened? Stores or HP realised there was actual value to the hardware?
Aug 28 03:11:14 <rwhitby> My Pre 3 that I ordered before the HP announcement is in the air between Finland and Australia at the moment
Aug 28 03:11:26 <LarrySteeze> that's a long flight
Aug 28 03:11:53 <rwhitby> sconix has one in Finland, but his profile is screwed for a couple of weeks now. but at least he can use it to test the advanced configuration patches
Aug 28 03:11:59 * Xuzz looks in IRC logs for rwhitby's explanation of how to setup his dev environment.
Aug 28 03:12:07 <Jack87> rwhitby, did you order from HP directly?
Aug 28 03:12:11 <rwhitby> Jack87: yes
Aug 28 03:12:41 <Jack87> rwhitby, will you be able to get it for the $75 or did you get some sort of hook up already?
Aug 28 03:14:08 <trsohmers> Greetings Programs
Aug 28 03:14:36 <trsohmers> Quick question because I don't have it infront of me… does anyone know what version of LVM webOS uses?
Aug 28 03:15:01 <rwhitby> trsohmers: where's the public source repo of what you're working on?
Aug 28 03:15:15 <trsohmers> rwhitby: Of my project?
Aug 28 03:15:28 <trsohmers> Currently it is on my computer and external hard drive
Aug 28 03:15:34 <rwhitby> trsohmers: and what is your position on the illegal redistribution of the HP and qualcomm files that is happening at the moment?
Aug 28 03:16:22 <LarrySteeze> So...Quick question for anyone that's been following Hurricane Irene?
Aug 28 03:16:26 <rwhitby> trsohmers: when you've made it public, we'll be happy to assist with questions. private work has no benefit to us, so it is not a good investment of our time to assist with it.
Aug 28 03:17:02 <trsohmers> OK
Aug 28 03:17:21 <LarrySteeze> should I move my car to a public garage instead of leave it in my apartment's parking lot?
Aug 28 03:17:27 <LarrySteeze> (I'm in Boston)
Aug 28 03:17:37 <trsohmers> I'm in the suburbs, LarrySteeze
Aug 28 03:17:50 <trsohmers> I would suggest that… they are saying 5 to 9 inches of rain
Aug 28 03:17:55 <rwhitby> we also have a fundamental principle not to associate with folks who are actively participating in illegal redistribution of HP proprietary factory test code
Aug 28 03:18:21 <trsohmers> Qualcomm, not HP, but ok
Aug 28 03:18:23 <rwhitby> so you'll want to sort that out too. I would recommend removing the non-AOSP,non-GPL parts.
Aug 28 03:18:28 <rwhitby> trsohmers: no, HP.
Aug 28 03:18:45 <rwhitby> "Production Test Tool", dbus-send, etc.
Aug 28 03:18:46 <trsohmers> I'm almost positive it is Qualcomm
Aug 28 03:19:04 <rwhitby> trsohmers: sorry mate, but the evidence says otherwise.
Aug 28 03:19:04 <LarrySteeze> trsohmers: rwhitby is referring to the test builds that HP actually built and was found on the device
Aug 28 03:19:15 <trsohmers> rwhitby: And what evidence are you talking about?
Aug 28 03:19:27 <Cerealklr> Oi, we're getting into this again?
Aug 28 03:19:29 <rwhitby> of course the fact that you're arguing over who's IP it is that your violating doesn't bode well
Aug 28 03:19:33 <Cerealklr> infobot message time?
Aug 28 03:19:35 <trsohmers> Heh, true.
Aug 28 03:20:22 <rwhitby> trsohmers: I've already been through the proof on one of the three or four android on touchpad channels. I'd rather not repeat it for all of them.
Aug 28 03:20:43 <trsohmers> I haven't really been on the touchpad channels… just talk when I have a question or someone asks for me
Aug 28 03:21:29 <rwhitby> trsohmers: anyway, you know where we stand now. feel free to come back when you're in compliance with our fundamental principles.
Aug 28 03:21:37 <cyclic> what happened?
Aug 28 03:22:16 <cyclic> rwhitby: what happened?
Aug 28 03:29:15 <sailerboy> cyclic, do you really have to ask?
Aug 28 03:29:19 <sailerboy> look at who he was arguing with
Aug 28 03:29:39 <cyclic> ah
Aug 28 03:29:42 <cyclic> haha
Aug 28 03:29:43 <sailerboy> even if rwhitby won't answer, i know that he would want to keep the drama out of here as much as he cans
Aug 28 03:29:45 <cyclic> missed that bit
Aug 28 03:29:54 <sailerboy> so drop it
Aug 28 03:30:03 <sailerboy> ask in #touchdroid, or #touchpad,, or one of the other channels
Aug 28 03:30:04 <sailerboy> not here
Aug 28 03:30:52 <rwhitby> sailerboy: please be polite about things
Aug 28 03:31:39 <sailerboy> rwhitby, i've been berated much more by much less wrongdoing
Aug 28 03:31:50 <sailerboy> but whatever
Aug 28 03:32:14 <rwhitby> hopefully in a polite way in this channel
Aug 28 03:32:32 <sailerboy> heh
Aug 28 03:32:32 <sailerboy> no
Aug 28 03:33:32 <rwhitby> well, you need to understand that a lot of folks here will feel that the newcomers are like people going to a funeral and only wanting to know how the coffin was made.
Aug 28 03:34:07 <rwhitby> or shouting out how slack the guy who died was.
Aug 28 03:34:34 <cyclic> I hope no one dies :|
Aug 28 03:36:46 <rwhitby> cyclic: indeed, the folks here know the guy in the coffin is just resting
Aug 28 03:36:48 <LarrySteeze> x.x well there is a hurricane
Aug 28 03:38:01 <cyclic> Ah! I saw Fright Night last night.  I miss the 80s.
Aug 28 03:43:58 <balrog> is there a default script that always runs on touchpad boot?
Aug 28 03:45:21 <Jack87> rwhitby wasnt arguing neither was trsohmers
Aug 28 03:45:31 <Prudvi> Hey guys i have a question
Aug 28 03:45:40 <rwhitby> ~ask
Aug 28 03:45:41 <infobot> Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
Aug 28 03:46:08 <Prudvi> whats the major difference between DebianChroot  nd Ubuntu
Aug 28 03:46:32 <rwhitby> one's Debian and one's Ubuntu. Personal preference really.
Aug 28 03:46:38 <balrog> anyone, is there an init script?
Aug 28 03:46:51 <balrog> or something I can stick a command in so it always runs on boot
Aug 28 03:46:56 <balrog> (in this case a sysctl call
Aug 28 03:46:57 <balrog> )
Aug 28 03:47:10 <Prudvi> rwhitby :) cool since both are debian based they would support apps equalooy right
Aug 28 03:47:18 <gandhijee_> can one run webOS doctor from a linux machine, and also, if i am asking my questions in the wrong place, please tell where what room i should be in.
Aug 28 03:47:21 <rwhitby> balrog: upstart scripts. look in /etc/event.d/ for examples, put yours  in /var/palm/event.d/
Aug 28 03:47:34 <balrog> okay
Aug 28 03:47:37 <balrog> not /etc/init.d?
Aug 28 03:47:38 <rwhitby> gandhijee_: any machine with java and working USB
Aug 28 03:47:42 <balrog> ahh, no
Aug 28 03:47:43 <balrog> :p
Aug 28 03:48:06 <gandhijee_> if i make a kernel that can't boot, can webos doctor help me recover from that??
Aug 28 03:48:11 <balrog> hmm. is there docs on this?
Aug 28 03:48:23 <LarrySteeze> prudvi: essentially
Aug 28 03:48:27 <rwhitby> gandhijee_: where's the public source repository for what you are working on ?
Aug 28 03:48:45 <rwhitby> balrog: normal upstart, used in ubuntu
Aug 28 03:48:54 <LarrySteeze> Prudvi: it really depends on if you prefer the straight up debian distro or the ubuntu distro
Aug 28 03:48:54 <Tanuki> does webos use upstart?
Aug 28 03:49:09 <rwhitby> yep
Aug 28 03:49:15 <LarrySteeze> Tanuki: yes
Aug 28 03:49:16 <gandhijee_> i am just using the kernel sources from the palm/hp website and their patches
Aug 28 03:49:19 <Prudvi> @LarrySteeze and @rwitby  thanks a ton your team is doing awesome job :)
Aug 28 03:49:20 <Tanuki> thats nice a modern :)
Aug 28 03:49:28 <gandhijee_> nothing fancy yet
Aug 28 03:49:36 <rwhitby> gandhijee_: to what end?
Aug 28 03:49:47 <gandhijee_> ??
Aug 28 03:49:58 <rwhitby> gandhijee_: are you looking to make custom webOS kernels?
Aug 28 03:50:09 <gandhijee_> yes
Aug 28 03:50:28 * cyclic for motorola devices?  ;)
Aug 28 03:50:37 <gandhijee_> do i need some closed source bits??
Aug 28 03:50:39 <rwhitby> gandhijee_: excellent. are you familiar with the webos-internals kernel work?
Aug 28 03:51:01 <gandhijee_> not yet....
Aug 28 03:51:14 <LarrySteeze> :-) I'm starting to like gandhijii_
Aug 28 03:51:26 <LarrySteeze> *gandhijee_ (sorry)
Aug 28 03:51:57 <rwhitby> gandhijee_: you've got Preware installed yet?
Aug 28 03:52:13 <gandhijee_> i did one for x86 that kinda did what i wanted, but that was easy, i wanna try it on the touchpad now...
Aug 28 03:52:19 <gandhijee_> rwhitby: yes
Aug 28 03:52:51 <balrog> can you run preware from cli?
Aug 28 03:52:56 <balrog> (or the package manager it uses)?
Aug 28 03:53:10 <rwhitby> gandhijee_: all the source and build scripts for UberKernel are in our repos. I'd recommend starting there, and if you have suggestions for kernel patches or modules we can collaborate to include them
Aug 28 03:53:47 <rwhitby> balrog: yes, but we don't recommend is, cause 99.9999% of people get it wrong when they do and have to doctor as a result
Aug 28 03:54:49 <rwhitby> gandhijee_: if you want to go down that path, I can point you to where stuff is
Aug 28 03:55:08 <rwhitby> gandhijee_: do you have experience with other embedded devices or distributions?
Aug 28 03:55:19 <balrog> rwhitby: how exactly do they get it wrong?
Aug 28 03:55:35 <balrog> I've used aptitude on my iPhone in the past extensively, to do stuff that Cydia normally does
Aug 28 03:55:38 <Crims0n> so executah is pretty cool
Aug 28 03:55:38 <balrog> (there they use apt)
Aug 28 03:55:40 <rwhitby> balrog: ipkg needs a -o argument. they forget and fill /
Aug 28 03:55:48 <gandhijee_> i've done work on those embedded arm boards, and used openembedded i think to build a distro for that
Aug 28 03:55:56 <balrog> hmm. why not patch ipkg to refuse to fill / ?
Aug 28 03:55:58 <gandhijee_> and make some kernel patches for a keypad driver for it
Aug 28 03:56:08 <gandhijee_> and then i've done some stuff with coreboot
Aug 28 03:56:10 <balrog> without being forced or something
Aug 28 03:56:20 <rwhitby> gandhijee_: sweet. webOS is built with openembedded
Aug 28 03:56:37 <balrog> do upstart jobs always run as root?
Aug 28 03:56:39 <gandhijee_> and random stuff with alphas and linux back in the day
Aug 28 03:56:51 <gandhijee_> rwhitby: cool
Aug 28 03:57:03 <rwhitby> gandhijee_: at the moment we don't have a git tree for the kernel, but maintain a set of patches.
Aug 28 03:57:35 <balrog> rwhitby: is there a good reference of what devices and drivers the touchpad uses?
Aug 28 03:57:43 <balrog> also are there any proprietary kernel modules involved?
Aug 28 03:57:46 <balrog> just curious :)
Aug 28 03:57:55 <gandhijee_> rwhitby: do i need to apply them to a stock 2.6.35 kernel or to one thats already been patches with the patch from palm/hp
Aug 28 03:58:22 <rwhitby> gandhijee_: we have a number of experimental kernels that different members of our team maintain to explore different avenues of improvement, and then the most stable of those end up in UberKernel for the general public
Aug 28 03:58:30 <cyclic> I could really use a ctrl key on keyboard :)
Aug 28 03:58:40 <balrog> is there a good breakdown of the difference between the experimental kernels?
Aug 28 03:58:45 * balrog is using uberkernel right now
Aug 28 03:59:04 <balrog> oh btw the issue I've seen with Xecutah/Xorg: no ctrl/alt/etc keys
Aug 28 03:59:07 <Crims0n> yes, ctrl would be awesome
Aug 28 03:59:08 <rwhitby> balrog: the documentation link in Preware for each kernel has documentation.
Aug 28 03:59:19 <jrabbit> Does uberkernel allow adhoc wifi?
Aug 28 03:59:22 <gandhijee_> yeah i've been using uberkernel today...
Aug 28 03:59:30 <rwhitby> balrog: yeah, we couldn't find them on the HP virtual keyboard ;)
Aug 28 03:59:35 <Crims0n> was just thinking that
Aug 28 03:59:36 <jrabbit> I'd use it if so.
Aug 28 03:59:36 <rwhitby> jrabbit: it does not
Aug 28 03:59:40 <gandhijee_> it seems that both the stock and uber don't really use the second core that well
Aug 28 03:59:41 <LarrySteeze> uberkernel doesn't touch the wifi
Aug 28 03:59:44 <balrog> rwhitby: Terminal for iOS did this:
Aug 28 03:59:49 <jrabbit> rwhitby: is it hardware bound?
Aug 28 03:59:53 <balrog> if you tap on the screen, you get a gesture menu
Aug 28 04:00:03 <cyclic> oh and arrow keys
Aug 28 04:00:05 <rwhitby> jrabbit: LunaSysMgr eats Esc for a start
Aug 28 04:00:07 <balrog> want me to find a screenshot of that gesture menu?
Aug 28 04:00:11 <LarrySteeze> gandhijee_: it scales the cores to preserve battery life
Aug 28 04:00:14 <gandhijee_> and does the touchpad have userspace access to the 3d core of the device?
Aug 28 04:00:19 <jrabbit> rwhitby: huh?
Aug 28 04:00:23 <balrog> what 3rd core?
Aug 28 04:00:29 <cyclic> really, there should just be a separate keyboard mode, like  a swipe on the keyboard gives a new keyboard
Aug 28 04:00:31 <LarrySteeze> gandhijee_: if you don't need core #2, why would it run it?
Aug 28 04:00:33 <gandhijee_> 3D
Aug 28 04:00:53 <jrabbit> rwhitby: I'm asking about wifi not keyboards :0
Aug 28 04:00:54 <balrog> rwhitby: http://iphone.iusethis.com/screenshot/iphone/mobileterminal.png
Aug 28 04:01:09 <gandhijee_> i was just running some tiny threaded program that uses both cores...
Aug 28 04:01:11 <balrog> they also used slide gestures for up/down/left/right/etc
Aug 28 04:01:17 <rwhitby> jrabbit: sorry, wrong nick
Aug 28 04:01:20 <balrog> though those could have issues sometimes
Aug 28 04:01:34 <gandhijee_> and it usually cranks both when i run it
Aug 28 04:01:50 <cyclic> logmein has the slickest keyboard implementation I've seen so far
Aug 28 04:01:53 <rwhitby> balrog: we've also been considering a small strip above the keyboard for buttons like that
Aug 28 04:01:58 <gandhijee_> anyways. rwhitby i would be interested in getting started with uberkernel
Aug 28 04:02:18 <rwhitby> gandhijee_: excellent.  you've been to git.webos-internals.org already?
Aug 28 04:02:20 <balrog> rwhitby: that probably would be more practical, since this is a larger device
Aug 28 04:02:41 <rwhitby> balrog: we're looking for SDL/X11 devs to help with that
Aug 28 04:02:44 <cyclic> logmein on the iPad is rock solid
Aug 28 04:02:57 <cyclic> have you guys tried it?
Aug 28 04:03:23 <rwhitby> gandhijee_: we have userspace access through SDL and GL libs
Aug 28 04:03:24 <balrog> rwhitby: I've dealt a little with SDL, but I'd prefer not to touch X11 with a ten-foot pole
Aug 28 04:03:27 <balrog> sorry
Aug 28 04:03:46 <rwhitby> balrog: we run the XServer on SDL right now and I expect the keyboard stuff would be in SDL
Aug 28 04:04:04 <rwhitby> dtzWill: what do you think?
Aug 28 04:04:06 <balrog> also whom should I ask about issues in preader?
Aug 28 04:04:16 <Jack87> ~log
Aug 28 04:04:16 <infobot> methinks log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/ and the latest log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt
Aug 28 04:04:19 <rwhitby> balrog: the maintainer listed in Preware
Aug 28 04:04:21 <balrog> well preader-native
Aug 28 04:04:21 <balrog> okay
Aug 28 04:04:29 <jrabbit> rwhitby: so is it just going to be easier to force my phone into manager mode?
Aug 28 04:04:53 <rwhitby> jrabbit: no-one has got anywhere with ad-hoc on webOS
Aug 28 04:04:55 <jrabbit> then try and get my touchpad to support ad-hoc
Aug 28 04:05:06 <balrog> jrabbit: what phone do you have?
Aug 28 04:05:13 <jrabbit> odd seems like its intentionally broken
Aug 28 04:05:20 <rwhitby> jrabbit: but if someone with atheros wifi driver knowledge steps in we'd welcome them
Aug 28 04:05:20 <balrog> for those of you with iPhones, the latest ones have infrastructure tethering
Aug 28 04:05:24 <jrabbit> balrog: Motorola dorid/milestone
Aug 28 04:05:26 <balrog> ahh
Aug 28 04:05:28 <jrabbit> *droid
Aug 28 04:05:28 <gandhijee_> sweet
Aug 28 04:05:37 <balrog> interestingly Apple added it with a driver update
Aug 28 04:05:42 <dtzWill> rwhitby: yeah i would probbably just slap up a little bar with buttons for missing keys
Aug 28 04:05:51 <Cerealklr> Just thought i'd mention that freetether provides an infrastructure AP that is wicked awesome
Aug 28 04:05:54 <Cerealklr> =D
Aug 28 04:06:03 <jrabbit> Cerealklr: on android?
Aug 28 04:06:07 <Cerealklr> nope
Aug 28 04:06:08 <rwhitby> on webOS
Aug 28 04:06:14 <jrabbit> oh.
Aug 28 04:06:21 <jrabbit> bah humbug :P
Aug 28 04:06:22 <rwhitby> realise that most folks here have webOS phones too
Aug 28 04:06:23 <Cerealklr> dtzWill: did you ever find anything out about potential silent XServer crashes?
Aug 28 04:06:28 <jrabbit> any who I'll have wifi on campus
Aug 28 04:06:39 <dtzWill> Cerealklr: i do other things too sometimes man xD
Aug 28 04:06:42 <jrabbit> so thats good enough I guess for now
Aug 28 04:06:51 <balrog> rwhitby: well not all, I have an iPhone
Aug 28 04:06:55 <Cerealklr> dtzWill: that's why I asked, instead of demanded to know *removes monocle*
Aug 28 04:06:57 <dtzWill> Cerealklr: no, send me a stacktrace and i'll investigate. don't have it happen myself sorry :(
Aug 28 04:06:58 <Cerealklr> =D
Aug 28 04:06:59 <jrabbit> dtzWill: just start billing the community
Aug 28 04:07:00 <balrog> though after using webOS, if there were more apps I'd switch
Aug 28 04:07:01 <rwhitby> balrog: you're new ;)
Aug 28 04:07:06 <jrabbit> dtzWill: they'll pay… maybe
Aug 28 04:07:17 <balrog> I'm very impressed by the quality and usability of WebOS
Aug 28 04:07:18 <Cerealklr> Is there a way for me to get at debugging symbols?
Aug 28 04:07:19 <balrog> :)
Aug 28 04:07:38 <rwhitby> balrog: we're hearing that a lot in the last few days. pity no-one said it before then.
Aug 28 04:07:39 <dtzWill> Cerealklr: you want debugging symbols?! ;)
Aug 28 04:07:48 <cyclic> Web OS user experience kicks android's ass
Aug 28 04:07:52 <Cerealklr> I'd like binary at this point
Aug 28 04:07:54 <dtzWill> hehe, i can build a debugging Xsdl for ya if you'd like, but later.
Aug 28 04:07:59 <Cerealklr> if I could read it and somehow find something out of place
Aug 28 04:08:05 <Cerealklr> =D
Aug 28 04:08:12 <balrog> rwhitby: lousy market penetration, and buggy initial releases
Aug 28 04:08:19 <balrog> and now HP is giving up
Aug 28 04:08:22 <LarrySteeze> webos user experience kicks everything's ass
Aug 28 04:08:25 <cyclic> and who left the debugger running?
Aug 28 04:08:33 <cyclic> er
Aug 28 04:08:36 <cyclic> the trace statements
Aug 28 04:08:36 <balrog> they should reconsider their decision, and put out a Touchpad Pro that's a lot nicer and ship it in some months
Aug 28 04:08:38 <LarrySteeze> balrog: We don't know that HP is giving up quite yet
Aug 28 04:08:39 <cyclic> that was a bad move
Aug 28 04:08:48 <Cerealklr> dtzWill: remind me to make sure I tell everyone on my page to donate to you when all's said and done
Aug 28 04:09:02 <Cerealklr> you'll have ended up doing like one third of the work in getting netbook remix up
Aug 28 04:09:06 <Cerealklr> by fixing up X issues =D
Aug 28 04:09:09 <jrabbit> cyclic: the away ti forces as user to play with it is very smart on setup
Aug 28 04:09:38 <jrabbit> even if theory had no idea what it did or what UI to expect and threw out the packaging...
Aug 28 04:09:38 <Prudvi> just now installed Ubuntuchroot it works flawlessly :)
Aug 28 04:10:27 <LarrySteeze> Prudvi: have you tried the netbook remix gui Cerealklr is working on yet?
Aug 28 04:10:39 <Prudvi> guys is there a way to remove the black area reserved for keyboard on xterm when running Ubuntu ?
Aug 28 04:10:57 <Prudvi> Larry i dont know if there was something like that
Aug 28 04:11:01 <Prudvi> :(
Aug 28 04:11:05 <dtzWill> Prudvi: use 'tweaks' to set xserver vkb off
Aug 28 04:11:05 <rwhitby> Prudvi: Tweaks
Aug 28 04:11:10 <Cerealklr> Prudvi: You can get at it w/ Tweaks
Aug 28 04:11:14 <Cerealklr> oh, ninja'd
Aug 28 04:11:16 <dtzWill> haha xD
Aug 28 04:11:17 <Cerealklr> =D
Aug 28 04:11:26 <rwhitby> Prudvi: did the Xecutah splash screen not say that?
Aug 28 04:11:39 <Prudvi> cool let me check the tweaks :)
Aug 28 04:11:43 <dtzWill> Cerealklr: lol you know i ported the x server over originally too, right? ;)
Aug 28 04:11:44 <LarrySteeze> Prudvi: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Netbook_Remix and please keep in mind that it's currently still in production
Aug 28 04:11:55 <rwhitby> dtzWill is our Xpert ;)
Aug 28 04:11:57 <Prudvi> rwhitby i might have missed it rightaway started lxde install my bad
Aug 28 04:12:08 <dharix> oh, i didn't know about turning the vkb off....thanks for the info guys
Aug 28 04:12:15 <Prudvi> Larry will try it oncelxde is all set :)
Aug 28 04:12:16 <gandhijee_> does webOS use an Xserver?
Aug 28 04:12:21 <dtzWill> but ty, and very glad you're pushing so hard--both in terms of making it usable and documentation--also bugging me to fix latent bugs ;)
Aug 28 04:12:21 <dharix> ....and thanks for the wonderful work on the xserver
Aug 28 04:12:24 <cyclic> I kind of like the idea that they put apps on tabs in the slider at the bottom, but it would be awesome if you could pin the slider in place and the tabs looked more shiny
Aug 28 04:12:28 <Cerealklr> Prudvi: If it does, let me know if you have trouble =]
Aug 28 04:12:30 <rwhitby> Prudvi: even though you had to wait 5 seconds and click "I've read this" ?
Aug 28 04:12:37 <gandhijee_> i thought it was its own little windowing beast
Aug 28 04:12:44 <dtzWill> rwhitby: hahaha XD
Aug 28 04:12:46 <rwhitby> gandhijee_: no, we added one.
Aug 28 04:13:17 <gandhijee_> ah ok
Aug 28 04:13:25 <rwhitby> easiest way to port linux apps
Aug 28 04:13:28 <LarrySteeze> rwhitby: watch this...I'm about to go to bed...and when I wake up, you will still be here.
Aug 28 04:13:35 <dharix> i briefly tried out enlightenment's illume profile, it looked prettier than lxde and it had it's own keyboard
Aug 28 04:13:45 <dharix> ....i might try that again with vkb off
Aug 28 04:14:04 <dharix> .....i also had a problem with the 'g' key on the vkb not working inside e17
Aug 28 04:14:06 <Jack87> LarrySteeze, rwhitby is always here... and some how he finds time for sleep/work/family i dont know how he does.
Aug 28 04:14:08 <cyclic> dharix, I tried it too. They actually had some built-in gesture recognition
Aug 28 04:14:23 <Cerealklr> Simple
Aug 28 04:14:26 <Cerealklr> he only claims to sleep
Aug 28 04:14:40 <rwhitby> Jack87: it's due to the timezones. you don't notice when I sleep cause you're busy at work.
Aug 28 04:14:48 <LarrySteeze> jack87: I'm well aware :P
Aug 28 04:15:00 <LarrySteeze> jack87: keep in mind rod is in AU as well
Aug 28 04:15:01 <zottffssen> is there any way to get the amazon kindle app if you're in australia and already chose the aus store?
Aug 28 04:15:21 <Jack87> rwhitby, haha thats how you pull it off! you are like a magician in vegas.
Aug 28 04:15:40 <Jack87> zottffssen, i believe you can use impostah
Aug 28 04:15:43 <dharix> cyclic: i heard e17 got some other profile that's better for tablets - efle or somthing like that.....any idea if there's a repo for ubuntu?
Aug 28 04:15:56 <zottffssen> k thanks
Aug 28 04:16:00 <rwhitby> Jack87: my prime hacking time is when most folks in the US are asleep or are hacking at 4am
Aug 28 04:16:02 <Jack87> zottffssen, you will need preware to install it... and it will only allow you to get free apps
Aug 28 04:16:22 <LarrySteeze|Awea> err
Aug 28 04:16:29 <cyclic> dharix: not sure
Aug 28 04:16:31 <LarrySteeze|Away> >.<
Aug 28 04:16:34 <LarrySteeze|Away> night everyone
Aug 28 04:16:37 <Jack87> rwhitby, when its 4am here i think you are driving home from work?
Aug 28 04:16:57 <rwhitby> Jack87: hacking on the bus usually
Aug 28 04:17:07 <Jack87> haha very nice
Aug 28 04:17:11 <rwhitby> I choose public transport cause it gives me free time to hack
Aug 28 04:17:37 <rwhitby> driving is for chumps. I try to drive to work max 2 days a week
Aug 28 04:17:48 <Jack87> rwhitby, i miss riding the bus... when i started college and worked 3 jobs and they kept changing the damn schedule it made me go to motorcycles and now i cant go back
Aug 28 04:18:15 <rwhitby> Jack87: 3G data cards means it's no different from hacking at home
Aug 28 04:18:59 <Jack87> rwhitby, do you use the net to stay connected to irc? and sync your hacking when you are home?
Aug 28 04:19:27 * Jack87 wishes he had webos and tethering when he used to ride the bus
Aug 28 04:19:45 <rwhitby> Jack87: everything is done on the one laptop.
Aug 28 04:19:47 * Jack87 used samsun i500 running palm os4 those days
Aug 28 04:19:57 <Jack87> samsung*
Aug 28 04:20:08 <rwhitby> work, home, webOS. all one laptop.
Aug 28 04:20:19 <gandhijee_> should i follow this guide for the touchpad as well?http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Custom_Kernels
Aug 28 04:20:23 <Jack87> you and your mac book pro :)
Aug 28 04:20:30 <sailerboy> Jack87, samsung made a palmos device?
Aug 28 04:20:37 <sailerboy> i had no idea that palm licensed their OS
Aug 28 04:20:59 <destinal> there was handspring too back in the palmos days
Aug 28 04:21:24 <Jack87> sailerboy, sony cliecc
Aug 28 04:21:26 <EdLin> sailerboy sure, they not only licensed it, they spun the PalmOS group out.
Aug 28 04:21:28 <Jack87> sony made them to
Aug 28 04:21:30 <cyclic> rwhitby: any chance you'll be moving preware sources to cmake?
Aug 28 04:21:31 <gandhijee_> as well as sonys/ericssons
Aug 28 04:21:50 <rwhitby> cyclic: very little I'd say, since I've never used cmake
Aug 28 04:21:52 <EdLin> sailerboy that's why later PalmOS devices said "powered by ACCESS"
Aug 28 04:21:56 <Jack87> ya for awhile palm hard ware and palm os were two different companies
Aug 28 04:21:57 <sailerboy> ooh
Aug 28 04:22:01 <cyclic> oh man, you have to try it
Aug 28 04:22:04 <sailerboy> i had no idea
Aug 28 04:22:08 <rwhitby> gandhijee_: that wiki page is way obsolete
Aug 28 04:22:12 <cyclic> once you go cake, you'll never go back
Aug 28 04:22:18 <cyclic> cmake too
Aug 28 04:22:18 <sailerboy> i had a treo 680 and a centro
Aug 28 04:22:23 <sailerboy> and i had one of the palm pilots
Aug 28 04:22:30 <EdLin> sailerboy me too.
Aug 28 04:22:39 <EdLin> then I had a Pre.
Aug 28 04:22:44 <sailerboy> but i thought it was a one company pony lol
Aug 28 04:22:49 <sailerboy> well, i'm going to get a pre
Aug 28 04:22:52 <Jack87> lol looks like the i500 is back in android form http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SCH-I500RKAUSC
Aug 28 04:22:54 <sailerboy> whenever it shows up on my damn doorstep
Aug 28 04:23:09 <EdLin> sailerboy which Pre?
Aug 28 04:23:12 <Jack87> god i loved this thing.. http://www.mobiletechreview.com/samsung_i500.htm
Aug 28 04:23:23 <sailerboy> EdLin, pre 2
Aug 28 04:23:26 <sailerboy> got it for 50 bucks
Aug 28 04:23:30 <EdLin> nice
Aug 28 04:23:31 <sailerboy> i'm probably going to give it to my brother
Aug 28 04:23:31 <cyclic> rwhitby: http://www.cmake.org/
Aug 28 04:23:44 <Jack87> sailerboy, palm used to be huge. they are what made smartphones popular
Aug 28 04:23:48 <cyclic> Can you take a look?
Aug 28 04:23:59 <Jack87> sailerboy, you got a pre2 for $50? where?
Aug 28 04:24:02 <Prudvi_> Ubuntu Netbook needs almost 1 GB to install ?
Aug 28 04:24:26 <Prudvi_> just started with it anyways good that i had 4gb under ext3
Aug 28 04:24:37 * Jack87 misses Graffiti
Aug 28 04:24:50 <sailerboy> Jack87, they've been sold out for a while
Aug 28 04:24:52 <sailerboy> i got it on um
Aug 28 04:24:53 <sailerboy> monday
Aug 28 04:25:05 <sailerboy> from the SMB store
Aug 28 04:25:15 <sailerboy> also, i remember how big they were
Aug 28 04:25:29 <sailerboy> my parents were huge palm fanbois
Aug 28 04:25:32 <sailerboy> until apple came
Aug 28 04:25:41 <cyclic> rwhitby: this looks somewhat simple: http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake#Converters_from_other_buildsystems_to_CMake
Aug 28 04:25:51 <Jack87> the samsung i500 wasnt very big and it was a flip phone
Aug 28 04:26:01 <sailerboy> Jack87, i mean big as in popular
Aug 28 04:26:04 <Jack87> hehe i loved that thing
Aug 28 04:26:05 <Jack87> oh
Aug 28 04:26:06 <Cerealklr> Prudvi_ I wouldn't be suprised
Aug 28 04:26:18 <Jack87> ya popular but expensive as shit
Aug 28 04:26:20 <Cerealklr> I haven't actually counted out size yet. Been too busy getting it working
Aug 28 04:26:30 <cyclic> sorry to flood... one more nice link:  http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/Really_Cool_CMake_Features
Aug 28 04:26:33 <roadkill> Jack87: That phone was the first phone I truly wanted. I would have killed for that thing if I could have afforded it and the plans when it came out.
Aug 28 04:26:37 <Jack87> now a days smartphones are more common so they can get cheaper
Aug 28 04:26:43 <sailerboy> Jack87, my earliest memory of any mobile device was trying to install java vm to be able to play more games on my dad's treo
Aug 28 04:26:49 <sailerboy> or palm pilot*
Aug 28 04:27:06 <sailerboy> anyone know if there's app scaling for the touchpad?
Aug 28 04:27:18 <Jack87> roadkill, haha ya... it was either that or a camera phone (it didnt have a camera) i figured if i am paying for a cell phone plan i want it to do more then just make phone calls
Aug 28 04:27:25 <Jack87> at least thats how i justified getting it
Aug 28 04:27:28 <Prudvi_> Cerealklr - do you think 4gb would sufficient considering i will installing couple of apps on it ?
Aug 28 04:27:47 <Jack87> sailerboy, thats awesome :)
Aug 28 04:27:47 <sailerboy> Jack87, lol
Aug 28 04:28:02 <sailerboy> the way that i got a smart phone was
Aug 28 04:28:10 <sailerboy> mom got a blackberry
Aug 28 04:28:11 <sailerboy> and hated it
Aug 28 04:28:17 <sailerboy> my sister and dad both got iphones
Aug 28 04:28:18 <roadkill> Had one of the Sony Clies around that time. Designed a few skins for Aeroplayer so that you could use your fingers on oversized buttons on the touchscreen when listening to music on it. That was 2000ish, IIRC. Boy was that ahead of its time, the concept of having a touchscreen mp3 player.
Aug 28 04:28:24 <sailerboy> my mom saw the iphones and said I WANT IT!
Aug 28 04:28:41 <sailerboy> I was the only one that had an upgrade, so mom offered to give me her blackberry and unlimited data
Aug 28 04:28:56 <sailerboy> i kept the blackberry for 6 months and then got an android
Aug 28 04:29:00 <sailerboy> i think i got the better end of the deal
Aug 28 04:29:01 <Xuzz> roadkill: I always wanted a Clie when I was doing Palm OS stuff, but they were long-discontinued at that point :(
Aug 28 04:29:01 <Cerealklr> Possibly. I'm running with 8GB. but I still have a fair amount of space left
Aug 28 04:29:28 <roadkill> Xuzz: I had to buy the store display, completely with a scratch down the middle of the screen. Nice unit, though.
Aug 28 04:29:33 <Xuzz> hah
Aug 28 04:29:34 <rwhitby> I'm using 8GB too, for testing various chroots
Aug 28 04:29:47 <Prudvi_> Cerealklr - is there a way to extend partition or do i need to do doctor again ?
Aug 28 04:29:59 <Cerealklr> rwhitby's a better man to ask there, I think
Aug 28 04:30:23 <rwhitby> Prudvi_: if you know how to use lvm commands, yes. if not, doctor.
Aug 28 04:30:34 <balrog> where are error logs stored?
Aug 28 04:30:51 <Jack87> there were many things i missed from palm os when switching to webos... it was a bit frustrating at first. but i have no idea what they are anymore
Aug 28 04:31:30 <balrog> I have a Palm TX I picked up for $7
Aug 28 04:31:31 <Prudvi_> rwhitby - i have used lvm commands on ubuntu before :)  anyways i better try it out on my desktop before i experiment its been long
Aug 28 04:31:34 <balrog> quite unstable, that OS is
Aug 28 04:32:08 <balrog> reminds me of Mac OS 7.x, especially 7.5 (which I work with, involved in emulation efforts)
Aug 28 04:32:30 <Xuzz> Palm OS, you mean?
Aug 28 04:32:40 <balrog> yes, Palm OS
Aug 28 04:32:46 <Jack87> did anyone ever use one of these virtual keyboards? http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/6915/samsung-shows-smartphone-virtual-keyboard/
Aug 28 04:32:47 <balrog> on that TX I have
Aug 28 04:33:08 <dtzWill> PSA: new version of X pushed.  it'll either be great and useful or break things for everyone terribly. >_>
Aug 28 04:33:54 <Xuzz> haha
Aug 28 04:33:55 <rwhitby> dtzWill: what's changed?
Aug 28 04:33:59 <Cerealklr> PSA: It improves life for people who have installed UNR
Aug 28 04:34:27 <sailerboy> PSA: Unless it breaks it, which it probably will.
Aug 28 04:34:33 <Cerealklr> No, it doesn't
Aug 28 04:34:39 <Cerealklr> =D
Aug 28 04:34:43 <Cerealklr> It was upon my request
Aug 28 04:34:52 <Cerealklr> at least in part
Aug 28 04:35:04 <dtzWill> rwhitby: add basic support for randr--that should be clean and simple
Aug 28 04:35:15 <rwhitby> interesting
Aug 28 04:35:17 <dtzWill> (should work, i'm not worried on that front)
Aug 28 04:35:31 <rwhitby> dtzWill: no auto-rotate though I assume
Aug 28 04:35:43 <Cerealklr> Heh
Aug 28 04:35:51 <dtzWill> dithc the sleep 3 seconds bit re:kbd mappings, and instead have X send xecutah.sh SIGUSR1 when it's ready (this is how xinit works), and /then/ set the keymappings
Aug 28 04:35:51 <Cerealklr> dtzWill: it's as though you predicted this conversation
Aug 28 04:36:07 <dtzWill> that should fix any/all issues with keymappings not set on launch
Aug 28 04:36:28 <dtzWill> and also on the "your app has focus" SDL events, re-assert the keyboard is up when it's supposed to be
Aug 28 04:36:30 <dtzWill> *the virtual keyboard
Aug 28 04:36:34 <sailerboy> dtzWill, is there an easy way to close the keyboard once X has started?
Aug 28 04:36:45 <sailerboy> and just have X as full screen?
Aug 28 04:36:56 <sailerboy> the window manager that i use has a keyboard that comes with it, and it's pretty cool
Aug 28 04:36:58 <dtzWill> hopefully alleviating issues with people having the keyboard disappear when the device sleeps, etc
Aug 28 04:37:10 <dtzWill> sailerboy: no, only can do that btwn x instances via tweaks
Aug 28 04:37:21 <dtzWill> rwhitby: no rotation, reflection, or resizing support
Aug 28 04:37:31 <dtzWill> rwhitby: just support the extension an report the single static resolutoin
Aug 28 04:37:40 <rwhitby> dtzWill: so just to shut up apps that want it?
Aug 28 04:37:43 <dtzWill> (many apps, wm's in particular, just die if they don't get that info)
Aug 28 04:37:51 <rwhitby> dtzWill: sweet
Aug 28 04:37:56 <dtzWill> rwhitby: well i thought it was just warnings, but apparently it's *mandatory* for many apps
Aug 28 04:38:00 <dtzWill> (as opposed to 'nice')
Aug 28 04:38:13 <dtzWill> so this should help gnome/xfce4/etc work, modulo the existing and known dbus/upstart issues
Aug 28 04:38:27 <dtzWill> rwhitby: anyway so the big thing i'm worried about is if i messed up packaging w.r.t the signals thing
Aug 28 04:38:37 <dtzWill> works for meeee but we'll see, and this is what we have a testing feed for
Aug 28 04:39:03 <dtzWill> (and once we promote x server i can feel significantly less bad about potentially breaking things b/c no-testers have a version to use)
Aug 28 04:39:10 <dtzWill> *promote to the main feed
Aug 28 04:39:15 <dtzWill> anyway, here's hoping that all works
Aug 28 04:39:20 <rwhitby> dtzWill: yeah, I'm tempted to break everything in the testing feed sometime next week, for all the folks how are using it without reading the rules
Aug 28 04:39:27 <dtzWill> and that the armv6 binary i pushed and didn't (can't) verify even runs works too
Aug 28 04:39:29 <rwhitby> s/how/who/
Aug 28 04:39:29 <infobot> rwhitby meant: dtzWill: yeah, I'm tempted to break everything in the testing feed sometime next week, for all the folks who are using it without reading the rules
Aug 28 04:39:34 <dtzWill> rwhitby: lol haha exactly
Aug 28 04:39:56 <rwhitby> dtzWill: put only after we push Xecutah+friends to public
Aug 28 04:40:03 <rwhitby> s/put/but/
Aug 28 04:40:04 <infobot> rwhitby meant: dtzWill: but only after we push Xecutah+friends to public
Aug 28 04:40:37 <dtzWill> anyway seriously if i did break shit someone email me and b/c i do'nt wanna leave it broken for long if it does break. please. :)
Aug 28 04:40:41 <dtzWill> rwhitby: agreed. :)
Aug 28 04:40:47 <rwhitby> Maybe I'll drop an announcement in the feed, like we did when the palm feeds disappeared
Aug 28 04:41:07 <rwhitby> "Do Not Use Testing Feeds" pseudo-app
Aug 28 04:41:15 * Jack87 is enjoying box.net with webdav
Aug 28 04:41:24 <dtzWill> lol modify it so the devices don't boot unless they have the novatermn skills to remove a file (and read the messages/changeloegs they're driven) to rm a file or so
Aug 28 04:41:51 <Jack87> dtzWill, hehe that sounds like fun
Aug 28 04:42:00 <dtzWill> (i'm just being playful, not actually that cruel)
Aug 28 04:42:03 <dtzWill> anyway adios
Aug 28 04:42:04 <dtzWill> o/
Aug 28 04:42:06 * Jack87 would love to see many resort to using webos doctor because they didnt read
Aug 28 04:42:36 <Jack87> be a lesson learned
Aug 28 04:46:35 <zottffssen> What do the updates to the ubuntu chroot etc do?
Aug 28 04:48:28 <cyclic> is openssl in the preware packages?
Aug 28 04:49:19 <roadkill> It is, Cyclic
Aug 28 04:49:28 <roadkill> v0.9.8.12-4
Aug 28 04:50:12 <rwhitby> zottffssen: the changelog is in the Preware description
Aug 28 04:52:53 <Xuzz> building 7zip so i can run the makefile for cross-compile.git :<
Aug 28 04:56:38 <rwhitby> Xuzz: what host OS ?
Aug 28 04:56:47 <Xuzz> rwhitby: mac
Aug 28 04:56:56 <Xuzz> (i've had to build wget, now 7zip)
Aug 28 04:57:25 <rwhitby> Xuzz: I use MacPorts for the deps
Aug 28 04:57:45 <roadkill> Hrm. Installing tweaks to change XTerm broke the keyboard for me. keymappings are off. L = Enter, Enter = 4, Hide Keyboard = Q
Aug 28 04:57:52 <rwhitby> WIDK wiki page is where I keep the deps up to date
Aug 28 04:58:04 <rwhitby> roadkill: wait 5 secs between server and xterm
Aug 28 04:58:09 <roadkill> hah
Aug 28 04:58:17 <rwhitby> dtzWill's latest change is supposed to fix that
Aug 28 04:58:26 <Xuzz> i used to use MacPorts, and I also tried Homebrew and Fink, but I decided I'm just not going to use them this time. Just don't like all the mess they make.
Aug 28 04:58:40 <rwhitby> cool
Aug 28 04:58:50 * Xuzz checks that wiki page
Aug 28 05:00:18 <Xuzz> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Packaging_Standards << does ipkg really have a buffer overflow in package description parsing?
Aug 28 05:00:26 <rwhitby> Xuzz: yep
Aug 28 05:00:28 <Xuzz> ...
Aug 28 05:00:35 <rwhitby> yep
Aug 28 05:00:51 * Ironsight hopes kesne likes that graphic
Aug 28 05:04:13 <dtzWill> dammit i can't leave xD
Aug 28 05:04:16 <dtzWill> and i broke it
Aug 28 05:04:46 <dtzWill> can someone who has a phone update to xserver 0.8.0, and run xecutah.sh by hand and send me log (From that, and /tmp/xserver.log?)
Aug 28 05:04:48 <dtzWill> >.<
Aug 28 05:06:05 <dtzWill> oh well, adios all
Aug 28 05:06:14 <Xuzz> rwhitby: http://pastie.org/2441903 << having issues with cross-compile.git's "make"
Aug 28 05:10:33 <Prudvi_> uff its taking forever to install Ubuntu Notebook :)
Aug 28 05:10:45 <cyclic> Xuzz: Where did you receive that error?
Aug 28 05:10:53 <cyclic> just doing a make?
Aug 28 05:11:22 <Xuzz> cyclic: yeah, after the part where it did "Creating dependencies for X…" a bunch of times
Aug 28 05:11:32 <Xuzz> with different values of X each time, that is
Aug 28 05:11:53 <cyclic> Generating dependencies?
Aug 28 05:11:58 <drobbins> I forgot where the openssh startup script lives
Aug 28 05:12:03 <Xuzz> …okay, now I'm getting:
Aug 28 05:12:04 <Xuzz> ( cd build/armv7/src ; sb2 -t armv7 -M /Users/Xuzz/Dropbox/code/cross-compile/staging/mapping-armv7 PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH PKG_CONFIG_LIBDIR=/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/share/pkgconfig make PREFIX=/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.speechd \
Aug 28 05:12:04 <Xuzz> 		AUDIO="" all)
Aug 28 05:12:19 <Xuzz>  /bin/sh: sb2: command not found
Aug 28 05:12:19 <Xuzz> make[2]: *** [build/armv7.built] Error 127
Aug 28 05:12:19 <Xuzz> make[1]: *** [build_apps/espeak] Error 2
Aug 28 05:12:29 <cyclic> you don't have sb2
Aug 28 05:12:50 <rwhitby> Xuzz: did you do the scratchbox2 setup on the WIDK page?
Aug 28 05:13:03 <cyclic> sudo apt-get install scratchbox2 qemu-kvm-extras
Aug 28 05:13:05 <rwhitby> drobbins: /var/palm/event.d/
Aug 28 05:13:21 <Xuzz> rwhitby: I think I was looking at the wrong stuff. Let me start htis over.
Aug 28 05:13:56 <cyclic> rwhitby: at which point in the doc should it build ssl and put that into my mapping for armv7?
Aug 28 05:14:05 <drobbins> rwhitby: and what command starts it?
Aug 28 05:14:12 <cyclic> I don't see it in there and made it through the doom compile
Aug 28 05:14:28 <Xuzz> I'm not even sure I want the WIDK :\
Aug 28 05:14:28 <rwhitby> drobbins: upstart scripts in there are started at boot
Aug 28 05:14:43 <drobbins> rwhitby: openssh isn't starting at boot anymore.
Aug 28 05:14:43 <rwhitby> Xuzz: what's your goal?
Aug 28 05:14:48 <Xuzz> rwhitby: build preware
Aug 28 05:15:03 <rwhitby> Xuzz: you don't need WIDK, but you may need some of the listed deps
Aug 28 05:15:20 <rwhitby> Xuzz: preware/build.git ; make toolchain ; cd apps/preware ; make package
Aug 28 05:15:35 <rwhitby> drobbins: is /media/ext3fs mounted in /etc/fstab ?
Aug 28 05:15:39 <Xuzz> aha, i had build.git but I forgot "make toolchain" instead of "make"
Aug 28 05:16:15 <rwhitby> I guess we need a "Building WebOS Internals Apps and Kernels" wiki page. Anyone want to write one?
Aug 28 05:16:36 <cyclic> If you tell me how to build apps ;)
Aug 28 05:16:40 <rwhitby> gandhijee_: would you like to contribute to that with what I've explained to you ?
Aug 28 05:17:01 <rwhitby> cyclic: clone preware/build.git ; make toolchain ; cd apps/preware ; make package
Aug 28 05:17:09 <cyclic> ah
Aug 28 05:17:12 <cyclic> excellent!
Aug 28 05:17:22 <betaorionis> hey guys... So I'm having a major keyboard issue with the latest servers update... It isn't correctly recognizing input, for example it thinks p is /
Aug 28 05:17:23 <rwhitby> cyclic: what's your end goal?
Aug 28 05:17:37 <rwhitby> betaorionis: wait 5 secs between server and xterm
Aug 28 05:17:38 <cyclic> I want to build up freerdp with multitouch
Aug 28 05:17:38 <drobbins> rwhitby: will look after I get xecutah working again.
Aug 28 05:17:42 <drobbins> seems like it needs a reboot.
Aug 28 05:17:49 <gandhijee_> whoops sorry, rwhitby i was setting up the rest of everything and starting a build
Aug 28 05:17:49 <betaorionis> okay
Aug 28 05:18:10 <rwhitby> betaorionis: I think another fix has been pushed to the autobuilder
Aug 28 05:18:19 <betaorionis> k thanks all
Aug 28 05:18:24 <drobbins> rwhitby: any simple steps to free up lots of RAM on the touchpad?
Aug 28 05:18:28 <drobbins> rwhitby: for compiling
Aug 28 05:18:44 <gandhijee_> rwhitby: yes, i will contribute with what you exaplained to me
Aug 28 05:18:46 <drobbins> 800MB RAM free would be nice
Aug 28 05:18:51 <betaorionis> ahh I love the webOS internals development team :)
Aug 28 05:19:34 <roadkill> eBayed unit. $1,425. Looks like someone got their Android bounty. -.-
Aug 28 05:20:07 <drobbins> rwhitby: after latest update, xecutah is not starting xserver for me
Aug 28 05:20:13 <roadkill> drobbins: Have you used JStop?
Aug 28 05:20:19 <drobbins> roadkill: nope
Aug 28 05:20:36 <roadkill> Then try it. It frees up ram and tells you how much is in use by programs.
Aug 28 05:20:37 <cyclic> rwhitby: Let me see if I can make some good progress tonight. I will take a stab at the wiki as well.
Aug 28 05:20:52 <rwhitby> cyclic: cheers
Aug 28 05:21:11 <cyclic> cheers
Aug 28 05:21:32 <rwhitby> cyclic, gandhijee_, Xuzz, drobbins: thanks for bringing normality back to the channel by having devs visiting and actually wanting to work on webOS stuff
Aug 28 05:21:45 <drobbins> rwhitby: np
Aug 28 05:21:47 <Xuzz> haha
Aug 28 05:22:04 <cyclic> rwhitby: Thanks for being the oracle and the core
Aug 28 05:22:34 <gandhijee_> what type of people usually drop by??
Aug 28 05:22:36 <drobbins> rwhitby: seems like something got hosed on my touchpad. ssh isn't starting.
Aug 28 05:22:46 <drobbins> rwhitby: and xecutah can't start the x server
Aug 28 05:22:59 <rwhitby> here I am supposed to be updating Preware Homebrew Doco to Enyo so it can get back to the top spot in the paid apps list again ;)
Aug 28 05:23:20 <betaorionis> xecutah and xserver with latest update is working perfectly for me
Aug 28 05:23:30 <rwhitby> gandhijee_: in the last few days, android folks wanting to steal the coffin build instructions at a funeral
Aug 28 05:23:32 <Abyssul> Any chance of bringing DOOM to the TP?
Aug 28 05:23:57 <drobbins> rwhitby: any way for me to "get in" if I can no longer get an xterm or ssh session?
Aug 28 05:24:02 <rwhitby> Abyssul: does the version in the WIDK work?
Aug 28 05:24:05 <drobbins> rwhitby: via USB?
Aug 28 05:24:06 <rwhitby> drobbins: novaterm
Aug 28 05:24:21 <roadkill> Heh. Doom gets ported to -everything-...
Aug 28 05:24:28 <gandhijee_> android is actually butt compared to web os
Aug 28 05:24:28 <rwhitby> I do most stuff via novaterm. hardly ever ssh unless I'm rsyncing
Aug 28 05:24:40 <Abyssul> rwhitby, I dont know how to go about that. Im going to try installing the .ipk from the preware feeds now manually
Aug 28 05:24:55 <Abyssul> (btw, doesnt work)
Aug 28 05:25:10 <Satellite> gandhijee_: I agree
Aug 28 05:25:18 <rwhitby> Abyssul: did you try starting the executable from the command line?
Aug 28 05:25:20 <Satellite> And before I got my touchpad I thought webos was some dumb os
Aug 28 05:25:27 <Satellite> but now that I'm using it it's competitive with iOS
Aug 28 05:25:42 <rwhitby> Satellite: we're hearing that a lot lately. pity folks didn't say it earlier.
Aug 28 05:25:42 <gandhijee_> ya
Aug 28 05:26:00 <roadkill> Satellite: Given the state of it the first time most people end up experiencing it for the first time, it's a very, VERY polished OS and UI.
Aug 28 05:26:07 <gandhijee_> hp really dropped the ball... they could have become the defacto business devices
Aug 28 05:26:10 <Abyssul> I can't install the .ipk rwhitby.
Aug 28 05:26:13 <Satellite> rwhitby: at the $499 pricepoint there really wasn't any reason not to go iPad imo; I say this as an iPad2 owner as well
Aug 28 05:26:35 <Satellite> iPad/Android
Aug 28 05:26:43 <roadkill> Satellite: I'm having trouble figuring out how HP could have cut the cost of manufacture down, though.
Aug 28 05:26:54 <Satellite> They really couldn't, it's not their fault at all :(
Aug 28 05:26:55 <betaorionis> yeah I bought TP at $500 and it's definitely not worth any less
Aug 28 05:26:56 <gandhijee_> yeah, i think if they could get it down to 300 some how, and have had an sd card slot it would have been money
Aug 28 05:26:59 <roadkill> It was about ~$380 per unit to build.
Aug 28 05:27:11 <Satellite> It's just that 'Apple = best' is ingrained into a lot of consumers' minds
Aug 28 05:27:21 <Satellite> and it's tough to change that
Aug 28 05:27:23 <betaorionis> I am now a total webOS lover... Naturally, as soon as HP discontinued it
Aug 28 05:27:30 <betaorionis> I hated apple anyway
Aug 28 05:27:30 <Satellite> it's not discontinued :)
Aug 28 05:27:32 <betaorionis> haha
Aug 28 05:27:38 <betaorionis> yeah ik
Aug 28 05:27:46 <betaorionis> I mean TP
Aug 28 05:27:46 <betaorionis> hardware
Aug 28 05:28:05 <Satellite> I probably won't install Android on my TP when one of these groups releases it
Aug 28 05:28:08 <Satellite> I'll keep webOS
Aug 28 05:28:13 <betaorionis> me neither
Aug 28 05:28:16 <betaorionis> same here
Aug 28 05:28:30 <Satellite> As long as people keep releasing apps for it I'll be happy
Aug 28 05:28:35 * Satellite crosses fingers
Aug 28 05:28:42 <roadkill> There's only one thing I can legitimately give Apple credit for: Popularizing ARM. Everything else they've done, I've seen done before in some form or another. Sometimes even better.
Aug 28 05:28:46 <drobbins> rwhitby: happen to know how to get upstart to start something?
Aug 28 05:28:50 <Abyssul> rwhitby, WOSQI says there are dependencies missing
Aug 28 05:28:52 <betaorionis> and especially if I can get ubuntu working :3
Aug 28 05:29:04 <rwhitby> drobbins: start foo
Aug 28 05:29:15 <gandhijee_> roadkill: umm i thought ACORN did that back in the 70's then the cell phones in general....
Aug 28 05:29:33 <Satellite> roadkill: in terms of form factor/whatever I have to say my iPad2 is thinner and feels like it has better build quality
Aug 28 05:29:51 <Abyssul> Because its aluminum
Aug 28 05:29:57 <roadkill> gandhijee_: Popularizing it in the sense that common users knew and understood what it was. They may know it as the "A4 chip in the iPad"...
Aug 28 05:29:57 <Satellite> I have a couple of complaints about the TP that would've put me off it at $499
Aug 28 05:30:01 <drobbins> rwhitby: any idea why upstart didn't start sshd on its own?
Aug 28 05:30:03 <Satellite> a. the camera seems to be garbage
Aug 28 05:30:13 <betaorionis> yeah
Aug 28 05:30:18 <rwhitby> drobbins: I've got a feeling we have an upstart dep missing
Aug 28 05:30:19 <drobbins> rwhitby: and possibly related to the fact that xecutah is doing nothing for me when I click start xserver
Aug 28 05:30:21 <roadkill> Abyssul is right. You couldn't have the induction charger in the Touchpad if the back was made out of metal, either.
Aug 28 05:30:21 <Satellite> b. the buttons feel really cheap, and I feel like the home/main button could break/jam any time
Aug 28 05:30:28 <rwhitby> drobbins: e.g. if openssh starts before optware
Aug 28 05:30:37 <betaorionis> I don't like that there isn't a camera app installed by default
Aug 28 05:30:39 <Satellite> plus that home button is too small IMO
Aug 28 05:30:51 <Abyssul> Finished aluminum just looks and feels nice.
Aug 28 05:30:56 <Prudvi_> how do i download the snapshot of dummy upstart in chroot sorry if its a n00b question :(
Aug 28 05:30:59 <Abyssul> Gives a modern look and has a nice texture
Aug 28 05:31:03 <betaorionis> yeah
Aug 28 05:31:05 <drobbins> rwhitby: what's an easy way to start/stop luna from the shell?
Aug 28 05:31:16 <Satellite> yeah it's nice but to be fair I'll be keeping it in a case and won't be seeing the back much anyway :v
Aug 28 05:31:17 <rwhitby> start LunaSysMgr
Aug 28 05:31:19 <Prudvi_> ^^  this is for installing ubuntu netbook
Aug 28 05:31:22 <roadkill> Satellite: I can't tell you how many times I've heard people complain about the center mechanical button on *any* device. A soft or faux (extension of the touchscreen) button probably would have been the way to go.
Aug 28 05:31:27 <Abyssul> other than that, build quality is just a joke because its a slate. How much more is there to it other than the 3 buttons it has.
Aug 28 05:31:35 <cyclic> What does droid use for the user access to 2D and 3D hardware and how does it fair compared to SDL?
Aug 28 05:31:51 <Satellite> roadkill: it's just too thin IMO
Aug 28 05:31:56 <betaorionis> do you have HP's case, or a third party one?
Aug 28 05:31:58 <drobbins> rwhitby: any other stuff I can stop to free up RAM?
Aug 28 05:31:59 <Satellite> the iPad home button is a nice size
Aug 28 05:32:09 <Abyssul> I use the HP case. I love it
Aug 28 05:32:11 <roadkill> Abyssul: finished aluminum also attracts dust like you wouldn't believe. I threw out an aluminum keyboard because I had to wipe dust off it every day.
Aug 28 05:32:14 <gandhijee_> rwhitby: are there any docs on how to access openGL from userspace?
Aug 28 05:32:15 <Satellite> I ordered the HP case, waiting for CostCentral to ship it off
Aug 28 05:32:17 <rwhitby> drobbins: dunno
Aug 28 05:32:19 <betaorionis> nice
Aug 28 05:32:24 <rwhitby> gandhijee_: palm developer docs
Aug 28 05:32:28 <Satellite> also grabbed a touchstone off Costcentral
Aug 28 05:32:28 <Abyssul> roadkill: Thats a small price to pay :p
Aug 28 05:32:29 <rwhitby> gandhijee_: PDK apps
Aug 28 05:32:36 <Satellite> Touchstone is such a cool idea
Aug 28 05:32:42 <betaorionis> yeah I should def get a case
Aug 28 05:32:44 <gandhijee_> awesome, thanks
Aug 28 05:33:17 <Abyssul> Main reason I like it is so it stands up correctly anywhere
Aug 28 05:33:20 <Satellite> also there's one thing the iPad2 does that I can't seem to find in another tablet
Aug 28 05:33:26 <Abyssul> Without it, its awkward to use
Aug 28 05:33:35 <roadkill> The HP case is also the best one, IMNSHO. Be careful when using other cases, I got one from eBay and it had a snap button on the back (so you can rotate it while it's in the folio cover)... they said it was touchstone compatible. The metal snap button was burning hot after an hour. Had to rip it out.
Aug 28 05:33:48 <Satellite> I dunno if the iPad2 has sleep mode but if I leave it on and don't use it even for like a week or two weeks and come back to it
Aug 28 05:33:53 <Satellite> It's still at half charge
Aug 28 05:34:10 <roadkill> More of a standby mode.
Aug 28 05:34:12 <betaorionis> ok thanks
Aug 28 05:34:13 <Satellite> yeah
Aug 28 05:34:15 <Satellite> and it's great
Aug 28 05:34:18 <Satellite> I wish more tablets did that
Aug 28 05:34:20 <Abyssul> Sleep mode is on TP too
Aug 28 05:34:34 <roadkill> I estimate about 3-5% battery drain per day (at worst) for Touchpad.
Aug 28 05:34:36 <Abyssul> Turn off wifi when not in use? Get like a month out of it...
Aug 28 05:34:41 <Satellite> Really? Good to hear
Aug 28 05:34:44 <betaorionis> HP case will probably be my next buy
Aug 28 05:34:49 <Abyssul> I get .8% per hour with wifi on.
Aug 28 05:34:49 <Satellite> My Galaxy Tab 10.1 has never heard of sleep mode
Aug 28 05:34:58 <Abyssul> (while not in use)
Aug 28 05:35:10 <Satellite> I had to charge that bastard almost daily
Aug 28 05:35:20 <roadkill> hah
Aug 28 05:35:31 <Satellite> If TP has sleep mode I'm happy then
Aug 28 05:35:37 <Satellite> or standby/whatever
Aug 28 05:35:52 <betaorionis> my TP battery life doesn't last too long, I have it on WiFi all the time and its overclocking to 1.7
Aug 28 05:36:03 <roadkill> Any of you folks use Hulu on the Touchpad? Ran into an issue yesterday, want to see if I can help track down the cause.
Aug 28 05:36:21 <Abyssul> Agh, Quake is unuseable on the TP without a keyboard...
Aug 28 05:36:26 <betaorionis> I used to, but haven't lately
Aug 28 05:36:34 <Abyssul> betaorionis, use the battery monitor app
Aug 28 05:36:47 <Abyssul> betaorionis, leave all cards closed and a fresh restart overnightr
Aug 28 05:36:47 <betaorionis> ok I'll find that
Aug 28 05:36:56 <Abyssul> Its a phone app but works the same
Aug 28 05:36:57 <betaorionis> thanks
Aug 28 05:37:02 <betaorionis> cool
Aug 28 05:37:03 <Satellite> I didn't overclock mine, don't think I will
Aug 28 05:37:11 <Satellite> battery is more important than speed in a tablet for me imo
Aug 28 05:37:15 <Abyssul> Mine is overclocked, cant remember what speed
Aug 28 05:37:21 <roadkill> I started getting video corruption on Hulu when it switches from Commercial back to the program. Usually green tint overlay or just your general video glitches. I was able to mitigate it by going out of fullscreen before the commercial ends and switching back to fullscreen after the program restarts.
Aug 28 05:37:24 <Abyssul> CPU is nothing for the battery
Aug 28 05:37:32 <betaorionis> hmm
Aug 28 05:37:36 <Abyssul> It is neglictible especially
Aug 28 05:37:39 <Satellite> er, are you sure?
Aug 28 05:37:52 <Abyssul> Yeah, most of it is from usage and data
Aug 28 05:38:03 <betaorionis> roadkill, that happens to me very minority but goes away when the scene changes
Aug 28 05:38:03 <cyclic> roadkill: sounds like video drivers
Aug 28 05:38:25 <Satellite> A native Hulu app would be nice :v
Aug 28 05:38:32 <Satellite> edit: Netflix would be nicer
Aug 28 05:38:36 <betaorionis> yeah
Aug 28 05:38:39 <roadkill> 1.2 to 1.5 "overclock" is about 10-30mAh extra load on battery on long term average. It's pretty insignificant. Especially compared to turning down brightness on the screen.
Aug 28 05:38:42 <betaorionis> both!!
Aug 28 05:38:47 <Abyssul> F Hulu. I want Netflix
Aug 28 05:38:55 <Satellite> yeopp
Aug 28 05:38:56 <betaorionis> haha
Aug 28 05:39:11 <Satellite> roadkill: is the performance increase noticeable?
Aug 28 05:39:15 <roadkill> Oh yeah.
Aug 28 05:39:17 <roadkill> Quite.
Aug 28 05:39:33 <Satellite> hmmmmmmm
Aug 28 05:39:36 <roadkill> I think people will see more of a increase in performance between 1.2 and 1.5 than they would between 1.5 and 1.7
Aug 28 05:39:38 <Satellite> is it difficult to do?
Aug 28 05:39:39 <betaorionis> I use sidereel  and megavideo for my tv needs
Aug 28 05:39:42 <cyclic> do we have source for the graphics drivers?
Aug 28 05:39:46 <Abyssul> Yeah, just go to 1.5
Aug 28 05:39:48 <Satellite> and does the TP run noticeably hotter?
Aug 28 05:39:53 <betaorionis> ok
Aug 28 05:39:56 <Abyssul> Hot? Never heard such a thing
Aug 28 05:40:04 <betaorionis> no
Aug 28 05:40:05 <roadkill> Satellite: Kernel patch (replacement) from Preware and a reboot. Use Guv to change CPU profile.
Aug 28 05:40:26 <Abyssul> Naturally the CPU will run a degree or two hotter than normal, but it is cool as far as operating conditions go
Aug 28 05:40:29 <Satellite> here goes nothing
Aug 28 05:40:30 <roadkill> Satellite: Nope. No change in temps, either. 1.5ghz is actually the native clockspeed of the CPU. 1.2ghz was an underclock by HP.
Aug 28 05:40:34 <betaorionis> well I'll cya later guys
Aug 28 05:40:47 <betaorionis> thanks for the help :)
Aug 28 05:40:53 <Abyssul> Roadkill: na, download UK since it gives other benefits as well
Aug 28 05:41:05 <roadkill> Abyssul: That is what I am referring to.
Aug 28 05:41:12 <Abyssul> Oh, you said replacement as in the stock kernel
Aug 28 05:41:15 <roadkill> Should have used its proper name :)
Aug 28 05:41:22 <roadkill> It replaces the stock kernel, right?
Aug 28 05:41:31 <Abyssul> 1.2gHz is actually the fair true clocking speed
Aug 28 05:41:47 <Satellite> so do I install UberKernel or what?
Aug 28 05:41:48 <Abyssul> Its not really being unclocked, just at par with its build quality
Aug 28 05:41:53 <Abyssul> Satellite, yes
Aug 28 05:42:09 <Xuzz> rwhitby: where do I put the toolchain, again?
Aug 28 05:42:15 <roadkill> Huh. I found a specsheet somewhere that said 1.5 was the default clock.
Aug 28 05:42:19 <Satellite> Won't break anything will it :x
Aug 28 05:42:23 <cyclic> Xuzz, are you following the wiki?
Aug 28 05:42:26 <Satellite> Can't exactly replace this sucker :P
Aug 28 05:42:34 <Xuzz> cyclic: no, since I do'nt know what wiki page is the one to follow :(
Aug 28 05:42:35 <cyclic> Xuzz: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK
Aug 28 05:42:46 <cyclic> That's the one you need
Aug 28 05:42:47 <Abyssul> Roadkill: Binning required the CPU to be clocked lower so they wouldn't fault.
Aug 28 05:42:54 <cyclic> that's just for setting up the dev environment
Aug 28 05:43:01 <roadkill> Abyssul: Ouch.
Aug 28 05:43:29 <Abyssul> Roadkill: Typically it should be 1.5gHz, but think of the 1.2gHz version as the low quality version of the CPU model
Aug 28 05:43:36 <cyclic> You should start at the top of that doc and work your way into the link to the doom compilation at the bottom of the page.
Aug 28 05:43:57 <Abyssul> The "bad crust" of the cpu manfacturering process
Aug 28 05:44:00 <roadkill> Yeah. That's why I said ouch. HP cheaped on us. ;( Almost every report about the 8060 being used in Samsung models says default clock of 1.5ghz ;(
Aug 28 05:44:01 <Xuzz> (nvm, got it, preware built!)
Aug 28 05:44:11 <Xuzz> or, not quite
Aug 28 05:44:32 <Abyssul> Roadkill, Cheaper CPUs and when the TP was first being built it was the only option at the time.
Aug 28 05:44:35 <cyclic> yeah, you really should follow that doc if you weren't ... save some hair ;)
Aug 28 05:44:56 <Satellite> well, here goes nothing
Aug 28 05:45:00 <Satellite> if this breaks my TP I'll cry
Aug 28 05:45:07 <Satellite> like a girl
Aug 28 05:45:10 <Abyssul> It will be fine, You still have memboot
Aug 28 05:45:22 <cyclic> Satellite: what are you doing?
Aug 28 05:45:24 <Satellite> no idea what that is Abyssul
Aug 28 05:45:32 <Abyssul> I installed the wrong kernel in my GF's phone. Turned the screen all red and wouldnt boot into the kernel lol
Aug 28 05:45:50 <gandhijee_> wakelocks was the most horrible idea by the android devs, it cause the devices to eat battery much quicker than it should
Aug 28 05:46:00 <Abyssul> memboot is just a command that loads the stock kernel from a unbootable state.
Aug 28 05:46:10 <roadkill> Satellite: The UberKernel is worth using even if you don't overclock.
Aug 28 05:47:05 <Abyssul> So Quake is unplayable without an external keyboard and DOOM isn't installable as it is. How lame...
Aug 28 05:47:16 <roadkill> Just don't bother going into Govnah if you don't feel comfortable with overclocking. The update to Uberkernel is painless.
Aug 28 05:47:27 <rwhitby> Abyssul: yeah, someone should tell those devs to fix it or give the money back!!
Aug 28 05:47:43 * roadkill hands rwhitby some invisible cash
Aug 28 05:47:45 <Abyssul> rwhitby, lol not a big deal to me. Just cool to have when Im bored :p
Aug 28 05:47:49 <roadkill> Give them that.
Aug 28 05:48:03 <Abyssul> Do bitcoins count?
Aug 28 05:48:18 <roadkill> lol bitcoins.
Aug 28 05:48:34 <Satellite> So doesn't running it at 1.5GHz make it speedier than an iPad2? :v
Aug 28 05:48:46 <Abyssul> Satellite, thats subjective
Aug 28 05:48:51 <elljay> Hey guys, I'm having trouble installing ubuntu on my TP. When I try to mount the ext3fs partition I get the error- mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs on /media/ext3fs failed: No such file or directory    which means I don't actually have an ext3fs partition right? I have downloaded webosdoctorp302hstnhwifi.jar and renamed it as the guide says, I edited the makefile by taking away the #...
Aug 28 05:48:53 <elljay> ...and I typed make DEVICE=touchpad CARRIER=wifi all
Aug 28 05:49:03 <Abyssul> Wow, what a comment...
Aug 28 05:49:17 <elljay> :P
Aug 28 05:49:29 <rwhitby> elljay: if you don't have the partition, then you didn't build or run the doctor correctly
Aug 28 05:49:30 <cyclic> right
Aug 28 05:49:38 <Abyssul> BOOM
Aug 28 05:50:04 <roadkill> Satellite: The overclock  makes it a bit snappier. I think it's worth a try. I wouldn't worry about iPad2 comparisons. It's epeen by this point. Apple does a lot of UI tricks to make their system appear faster than others. You can convince anyone a slow system is fast by speeding up animations.
Aug 28 05:50:08 <rwhitby> elljay: and BTW, thanks for a comprehensive question getting right to the point. I actually appreciate that.
Aug 28 05:50:41 <rwhitby> elljay: best thing now is to pastebin the complete log of your doctor build and run.
Aug 28 05:50:49 <rwhitby> we can usually spot the error in seconds from taht
Aug 28 05:50:52 <Abyssul> Btw, for those of you who buy or already have the HP case, don't get bug spray on your case... it etches the rubber coating permanently.
Aug 28 05:51:07 <Satellite> So I assume I select OnDemandTcl 1512
Aug 28 05:51:07 <Abyssul> (just some personal food for thought I found out tonight)
Aug 28 05:51:12 <Xuzz> roadkill: IMO, I think those tricks are valuable. I'd rather have a system trick me into thinking it's fast than a real fast one that feels slow (*cough* Android *cough*)
Aug 28 05:51:14 <Satellite> PS does this overclock both cores or just 1?
Aug 28 05:51:16 <cyclic> rwhitby: where should I create this link to the apps compilation wiki and what do you think is a good name?
Aug 28 05:51:17 <Abyssul> Satellite, make your own profile
Aug 28 05:51:23 <Abyssul> Satellite, both
Aug 28 05:51:24 <roadkill> Abyssul: COOL! (Yikes.) Q&D way to personalize your case, I guess.
Aug 28 05:51:41 <rwhitby> cyclic: "Building Apps and Kernels"
Aug 28 05:51:42 <Abyssul> Yea, it made a nice spray pattern all over the front.
Aug 28 05:51:43 <destinal> roadkill: actually there's something to be said for native code vs layers of abstractions, I'd say from experience iphone seems faster than equivalent hardware webos phones,  with all specs being equal iOS is probably noticeably more responsive
Aug 28 05:51:48 <Satellite> Why my own profile?
Aug 28 05:52:01 <roadkill> Because you can tell it what you want it to do instead of default.
Aug 28 05:52:09 <gandhijee_> roadkill: there was an article somewhere about how the webOS guys put webOS on the iPad2... and it screamed
Aug 28 05:52:11 <Abyssul> yeah, default isnt the best
Aug 28 05:52:12 <Satellite> But I don't know any better :P
Aug 28 05:52:16 <rwhitby> Satellite: start with 1512.
Aug 28 05:52:17 <destinal> roadkill: though enyo > mojo so the issue may  be less pronounced on webos3
Aug 28 05:52:20 <Abyssul> gandhijee_, dont even bring that up here.
Aug 28 05:52:26 <rwhitby> Satellite: experiment after you have experienced the baseline
Aug 28 05:52:32 <cyclic> rwhitby: off the main page?
Aug 28 05:52:32 <Xuzz> *phew*, built Preware
Aug 28 05:52:34 <Satellite> Sound advice, thanks rwhitby
Aug 28 05:52:42 <Abyssul> 1 sec tickle window and 4 sec floor window? Hellz yeah
Aug 28 05:52:42 <gandhijee_> ?
Aug 28 05:52:53 <rwhitby> cyclic: yeah, we should put it somewhere on the main page
Aug 28 05:52:54 <roadkill> ~13 to 20mA difference for my touchpad between 1.2 Profile and 1.5 Profile. Pretty insignificant unless you need the extra ~30 min of battery life.
Aug 28 05:53:06 <Abyssul> 30 minutes? Not even....
Aug 28 05:53:08 <rwhitby> Xuzz: did it run?
Aug 28 05:53:23 <Xuzz> rwhitby: yeah, was missing a DEVICE=1 before
Aug 28 05:53:24 <rhcp> rwhitby: Question. do you know if you can boot the TP into bootie from novaterm? command line
Aug 28 05:53:26 <roadkill> Abyssul: Yeah. That was an overly optimistic estimate.
Aug 28 05:53:27 <rhcp> without buttons?
Aug 28 05:53:36 <cyclic> ok, gandhijee_ if you have some kernel steps to add, go ahead. I am going to create the page now. Almost done with the apps part locally and will paste it in after some review
Aug 28 05:53:37 <Abyssul> Red Hot Chili Peppers!
Aug 28 05:53:38 <destinal> rhcp: tellbootie recover
Aug 28 05:53:50 <destinal> is the command line
Aug 28 05:54:00 <rhcp> oh?
Aug 28 05:54:01 <rhcp> let me try
Aug 28 05:54:02 <rhcp> sec
Aug 28 05:54:09 <gandhijee_> where is the page?
Aug 28 05:54:15 <rwhitby> destinal: you forgot the questions first ;)
Aug 28 05:54:22 <rhcp> many thanks
Aug 28 05:54:22 <Satellite> oh damn
Aug 28 05:54:23 <rhcp> :)
Aug 28 05:54:26 <cyclic> oh, hehe... I can't create main pages.
Aug 28 05:54:27 <Satellite> maybe it's placebo but it seems a lot faster
Aug 28 05:54:29 <Satellite> thanks for the tips guys
Aug 28 05:54:31 <rhcp> destinal: thanks
Aug 28 05:54:36 <elljay> rwhitby: thanks , I'll get onto it. Now for another riveting question... is pastebin easy to explain? I really don't use linux much, I don't mind researching it myself but if it's a simple command and you don't mind explaining... :)
Aug 28 05:54:37 <destinal> rhcp: no problem
Aug 28 05:54:41 <rwhitby> what do you guys think of http://ompldr.org/vYTM2aw/Screen%20shot%202011-08-28%20at%203.12.07%20PM.png ?
Aug 28 05:54:50 <rwhitby> elljay: pastebin.com
Aug 28 05:54:51 <Abyssul> Satellite, its all placebo. :p Just turn off the overclock and try it
Aug 28 05:54:52 <roadkill> Satellite: Every little bit helps. The patches are great for minimizing the fluff.
Aug 28 05:54:54 <elljay> cheers
Aug 28 05:55:08 <cyclic> gandhijee_: working on it :)
Aug 28 05:55:10 <Abyssul> rwhitby, have my babies
Aug 28 05:55:46 <Abyssul> Wish it had the traditional WebOS stamp like the other apps :p
Aug 28 05:55:56 <gandhijee_> k =)
Aug 28 05:56:20 <rwhitby> Abyssul: ah, good point
Aug 28 05:56:22 <roadkill> Satellite: If you want your Touchpad to go even faster, you could always put racing stripes on it. ;)
Aug 28 05:56:32 <rwhitby> oil: can we get a webOS stamp like wIRC for PHD ?
Aug 28 05:56:47 <Satellite> I don't have any space, my NOS decal is already taking up the whole back panel
Aug 28 05:56:48 <Abyssul> rwhitby, text might be a little big on the menu list items. seems like you are appealing to 60+ year old people with the huge font.
Aug 28 05:56:53 <rwhitby> http://ompldr.org/vYTM2bQ/Screen%20shot%202011-08-28%20at%203.21.57%20PM.png is showing a topic
Aug 28 05:56:54 <gandhijee_> anyone else here running webOS on x86 hardware by anychance?
Aug 28 05:57:11 <Abyssul> gandhijee_, only on the emu
Aug 28 05:57:39 <gandhijee_> =/ i have it crammed on to this netbook
Aug 28 05:57:52 <Abyssul> Does it even work smoothly on a netbook? lol
Aug 28 05:57:57 <gandhijee_> gotta hack in mouse/touchpad support somehow
Aug 28 05:58:02 <cyclic> rwhitby: That looks nice.  Maybe a small bit of padding on the left of the top prewar homebrew doc penguin.  It would be cool if the main panguin had a really subtle shadow.
Aug 28 05:58:08 <gandhijee_> about the same as the simulator on my i3
Aug 28 05:58:22 <rwhitby> cyclic: I suck at design and graphics
Aug 28 05:58:35 <Abyssul> Icons are good enough :p
Aug 28 05:58:41 <rwhitby> they are not mine :)
Aug 28 05:58:44 <gandhijee_> but no mouse support, but i think i can have it support my ts if i hack at hidd enough
Aug 28 05:58:47 <Abyssul> Who makes them?
Aug 28 05:58:51 <rwhitby> I steal code from oil and icons from Templarian and oil.
Aug 28 05:58:55 <cyclic> oh
Aug 28 05:59:00 <cyclic> I like the sec on one
Aug 28 05:59:08 <rwhitby> I make all the services and back-end stuff work :)
Aug 28 05:59:28 <cyclic> rwhitby: where can I kickoff a new page on the wiki from?
Aug 28 05:59:35 <Abyssul> Make magic would be sufficient
Aug 28 05:59:37 <AMR-1> We dont steal - we appropriate!
Aug 28 05:59:45 <rwhitby> cyclic: anywhere, just change the URL
Aug 28 05:59:47 <Abyssul> cyclic, just type it into the address bar
Aug 28 05:59:52 <cyclic> ah kewl
Aug 28 06:00:36 <rwhitby> AMR-1: I can't do a Help screen for this, cause oil hasn't done one for enyo-wIRC yet so I have nothing to copy.
Aug 28 06:01:13 <Abyssul> Btw, enyo-wIRC sounds better than peanut butter and jelly
Aug 28 06:01:42 <AMR-1> Isn't the app a help screen ;)
Aug 28 06:01:57 <AMR-1> Have it loop back to itself...
Aug 28 06:02:28 <rwhitby> Hmm - I guess I could just have a Help and Credits topic at the end.
Aug 28 06:02:52 <rwhitby> AMR-1: thanks!
Aug 28 06:02:53 <AMR-1> Scrolling credits - like a moooooviieeee....
Aug 28 06:03:05 <rwhitby> AMR-1: that's way above my enyo skills
Aug 28 06:03:24 <Abyssul> can mojo and enyo be mixed into the same app?
Aug 28 06:03:28 <rwhitby> but an extra topic and the end I can do
Aug 28 06:03:41 <rwhitby> Abyssul: this is a muti-platform package, yes.
Aug 28 06:03:48 <AMR-1> ill see if i can whip up somethin...  cant work on my app till they get the next update out to fix the cal sync issues....
Aug 28 06:03:56 <Abyssul> Didnt know if you could just create the help screen in Mojo.
Aug 28 06:04:00 <rwhitby> Abyssul: I have to do that, otherwise I lose my #1 ranking in the app catalog
Aug 28 06:04:22 <Abyssul> #1 rating wise or download wise?
Aug 28 06:04:38 <rwhitby> currently, with the mojo-only app, I'm still #1 but placed below the worst of the enyo fart apps
Aug 28 06:04:41 <rwhitby> rating
Aug 28 06:04:51 <tmzt_> gandhijee_: you could try running the emu version under qemu-x86
Aug 28 06:04:56 <tmzt_> it would be crzy but it might work
Aug 28 06:04:57 <Xuzz> rwhitby: think i might have found it...
Aug 28 06:05:06 <rwhitby> of course the rating of PHD reflects nothing about the app itself.
Aug 28 06:05:17 <Abyssul> Ratings are for squares
Aug 28 06:05:23 <Abyssul> Its all about the download count...
Aug 28 06:05:24 <Xuzz> ...nope,
Aug 28 06:05:25 <Xuzz> :(
Aug 28 06:05:48 <rwhitby> Abyssul: ratings that put homebrew doc in the face of TouchPad owners at the top of the list are a good thing :)
Aug 28 06:05:52 <gandhijee_> i'll probably loose my mouse input support, how ever they did that
Aug 28 06:06:32 <rwhitby> Abyssul: the topic text is actually a shared javascript file between the Mojo and Enyo versions
Aug 28 06:06:58 <rwhitby> but I don't know how to mix enyo and mojo in the same execution
Aug 28 06:07:25 <Abyssul> being featured in the Pivot issue doesnt hurt either :p
Aug 28 06:07:27 <zottffssen> Is it possible to install opt ware from apt?
Aug 28 06:07:36 <zottffssen> the install from preware won't work
Aug 28 06:07:48 <rwhitby> Abyssul: yeah, that took a long 2am phone call to fix that article from what it said in the first draft they did
Aug 28 06:09:00 <drobbins> ok
Aug 28 06:09:13 <drobbins> I have 1GB extra swap, 2GB in my /var/tmp chroot, and 2GB for the main filesystem.
Aug 28 06:09:20 <drobbins> now I am actually trying to build funtoo natively :)
Aug 28 06:09:23 <drobbins> in theory, it should work.
Aug 28 06:10:07 <Abyssul> rwhitby, does WebOS-Internals care for an influx of "just type text box" patches that people might make?
Aug 28 06:10:13 <drobbins> oh, I should tweak my settings to use gzip instead of xz.
Aug 28 06:10:29 <Abyssul> I can just imagine 50+ being submitted with each text being different
Aug 28 06:10:47 <cyclic> rwhitby: what does make package do exactly?
Aug 28 06:10:55 <rwhitby> Abyssul: we don't have a way to customize them with tweaks, so as long as they reflect a popular meme of some sort I see no problem
Aug 28 06:11:29 <Abyssul> Haha, (MEME's ONLY people! Idc about your stupid kids. It just has to pertain to our interests)
Aug 28 06:12:05 <AMR-1> Re: Pivot - at least they screened it for you... they still biffed it a bit...
Aug 28 06:12:06 <Abyssul> I saw what they said on Pivot. Made it seem like you could install patches directly from the PHD app lol
Aug 28 06:12:27 <zottffssen> can someone help me with optware?
Aug 28 06:12:37 <Abyssul> What error zottffssen?
Aug 28 06:12:48 <roadkill> rwhitby: What do I gotta do to help get your rating up?
Aug 28 06:12:50 <zottffssen> Well I've installed optware
Aug 28 06:13:05 <Abyssul> Roadkill, buy the app and rate it a 5
Aug 28 06:13:11 <zottffssen> But it doesn't install to the /opt directory on the ext3fs partition
Aug 28 06:13:11 <Abyssul> Roadkill, and spread the word
Aug 28 06:13:15 <AMR-1> Well at least it is just like a regular magazine...  Facts (not so much) - rolls eyes
Aug 28 06:13:18 <zottffssen> So I can't install kit or anything
Aug 28 06:13:34 <Abyssul> Oh, this is chroot related? Idk about that
Aug 28 06:13:37 <rwhitby> roadkill: http://bit.ly/phd-ac - install and give 5 starts
Aug 28 06:13:42 <rwhitby> stars even
Aug 28 06:13:51 <Snowwhitie> Hello
Aug 28 06:14:10 <Abyssul> Or give it 4 fours since its not enyo yet so maybe Rod will hurry up on the enyo portion :p
Aug 28 06:14:18 <rwhitby> AMR-1: in the first draft, we were renegades, sticking it to the man.
Aug 28 06:14:24 <cyclic> Ok -- it's a start -- http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels
Aug 28 06:14:43 <rwhitby> anyone who gives less than 5 stars incurs my wrath forever
Aug 28 06:14:50 <AMR-1> shesh... Wonder what they will say about TouchDroid next month lol
Aug 28 06:15:08 * Abyssul whistles curiously
Aug 28 06:15:18 <roadkill> Pardon my french. "F*@K TOUCHDROID."
Aug 28 06:15:20 <rwhitby> cyclic: thanks mate.
Aug 28 06:15:49 <rwhitby> folks who write wiki pages go directly to the front of the queue for any help they need
Aug 28 06:16:04 <Abyssul> I wrote the Hulu page :p
Aug 28 06:16:16 <Abyssul> It may have been the wrong instructions, but I was close... lol
Aug 28 06:16:19 <zottffssen> rwhitby: is there any reason why opt ware wouldn't properly install?
Aug 28 06:16:38 <Snowwhitie> Are there theme packages available for Hptouchpad system?
Aug 28 06:16:41 <Abyssul> zottffssen, its better to make a HUGE comment with all the details in one post so he only has to respond once.
Aug 28 06:16:47 <JackHenberg> What's the status of Touchdroid?
Aug 28 06:16:51 <rwhitby> Snowwhitie: there is at least one
Aug 28 06:16:56 <zottffssen> alright then
Aug 28 06:16:59 <Abyssul> Snowwhitie, transparent one
Aug 28 06:17:01 <Snowwhitie> rwhi: wanna throw me a link?
Aug 28 06:17:04 <Snowwhitie> ah, Ok, thanks
Aug 28 06:17:09 <Snowwhitie> I saw that.. on Precentral?
Aug 28 06:17:13 <Abyssul> Yea
Aug 28 06:17:15 <cyclic> :)
Aug 28 06:17:17 <Snowwhitie> gotcha thanks hon
Aug 28 06:17:23 <cyclic> I love wikis
Aug 28 06:17:25 <AMR-1> themes not such a good idea while they are doing freq major updates to os....
Aug 28 06:17:33 <Abyssul> AMR-1, PFFT
Aug 28 06:17:33 <rwhitby> yeah, the themer folks haven't really done a lot on the touchpad yet as far as I can see. don't use themes myself.
Aug 28 06:17:36 <cyclic> It's like helping others after you get help.
Aug 28 06:17:36 <Snowwhitie> True, just wanted to play around with it:)
Aug 28 06:17:39 <Abyssul> We did it  back in 1.0.2? o.O
Aug 28 06:17:53 <Abyssul> Anyone dare to go back to 1.0.2 for kicks?
Aug 28 06:18:08 <rwhitby> PHD still works on 1.0.
Aug 28 06:18:25 <zottffssen> rwhitby: I installed opt ware from preware but for some reason it didn't install to the /opt directory on the ext3fs partition. The /opt directory exists but it's empty. I've tried reinstalling optware. Any ideas?
Aug 28 06:18:26 <Abyssul> Becauses its just a simple text app o.O
Aug 28 06:18:54 <rwhitby> zottffssen: is there a /media/cryptofs/optware.ext3 file ?
Aug 28 06:19:09 <Abyssul> See what I mean? He responds everytime its a huge comment!
Aug 28 06:19:12 <JackHenberg> I heard one of the devs successfully flashed Android onto the TP
Aug 28 06:19:12 <Snowwhitie> quick question, Is there a simple notepad, or textpad type file I can grab..that one can use?  memo is ok, but need something more, and not google. any suggestion...no I don't want to cough up $ for stupid HP appware
Aug 28 06:19:15 <Snowwhitie> thanks, let me know
Aug 28 06:19:35 <zottffssen> Abyssul: Thanks lol
Aug 28 06:19:38 <cyclic> gandhijee_: here you go - http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels
Aug 28 06:19:40 <rwhitby> JackHenberg: thanks. discussion of that is in #touchdroid
Aug 28 06:19:41 <Abyssul> Snowwhitie, textpad type file?
Aug 28 06:19:42 <AMR-1> Abyssul,  I havnt  even changed my radio station in my truck since i drove it off the lot - AMR-1 don't like change ;>
Aug 28 06:20:08 <Snowwhitie> aby: basically just wnat to be able to type stuff ..and save.... i know Quickoffice is in the works but ...need something i mean time
Aug 28 06:20:19 <rwhitby> Snowwhitie: "stupid HP appware" ?
Aug 28 06:20:19 <zottffssen> rwhitby: my /media folder is empty
Aug 28 06:20:20 <Abyssul> Oh, you want a text editor app
Aug 28 06:20:29 <Snowwhitie> Yes Text editor app
Aug 28 06:20:37 <Snowwhitie> HP appware meaning HP Store:)
Aug 28 06:20:52 <rwhitby> you mean like the apps that some of the devs in here have written?
Aug 28 06:21:07 <Snowwhitie> yes sir
Aug 28 06:21:24 <Snowwhitie> i could not find anything under preware... maybe i missed something
Aug 28 06:21:41 <rwhitby> Snowwhitie: nope, we use the apps from the store usually
Aug 28 06:21:52 <rwhitby> helps support our fellow devs
Aug 28 06:22:19 <Snowwhitie> k.
Aug 28 06:22:27 <Snowwhitie> let see how much it is at appstore and what it does
Aug 28 06:22:35 <AMR-1> Snowwh<too many is>, good stuff in the AppCat - This isn't fruit or robots....
Aug 28 06:22:53 <Abyssul> Sooo what was that Kindle update about?
Aug 28 06:22:57 <Abyssul> I dont see any changes
Aug 28 06:22:58 <rwhitby> Snowwhitie: precentral & webosroundup have reviews of apps
Aug 28 06:23:06 <Snowwhitie> Tapnote..there you go.  I'll download that its only 5 bucks
Aug 28 06:23:12 <zottffssen> rwhitby: The /media folder on my touchpad is empty, does that mean that I made a mistake somewhere? the chroot is running fine.
Aug 28 06:23:21 <Snowwhitie> not sure why I thought it was $50.00 lol
Aug 28 06:23:21 <rwhitby> Snowwhitie: or ask the devs in #webos to recommend one
Aug 28 06:23:46 <drobbins> rwhitby: does the touchpad charge when connected to a laptop's USB?
Aug 28 06:23:58 <rwhitby> very slowly, if you're not doing much
Aug 28 06:24:13 <Snowwhitie> rwhy: how do i change channels /join #webos ???
Aug 28 06:24:13 <drobbins> compiling would probably kill it then
Aug 28 06:24:26 <Abyssul> Snowwhitie, Typewriter Beta is free in Catalog
Aug 28 06:24:40 <Abyssul> Snowwhitie, yes thats how you join another channel
Aug 28 06:25:06 <drobbins> I hate it when I run out of inodes
Aug 28 06:25:08 <drobbins> :(
Aug 28 06:25:13 <AMR-1> drobbins, if brightness is down...
Aug 28 06:25:21 <drobbins> screen is off
Aug 28 06:28:01 <zottffssen> rwhitby: Help me please :(
Aug 28 06:28:05 <rwhitby> cyclic: I updated http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels
Aug 28 06:28:14 <zottffssen> Media folder has no content
Aug 28 06:28:18 <zottffssen> +s
Aug 28 06:28:24 <cyclic> nice
Aug 28 06:28:40 <rwhitby> zottffssen: are you looking at that on-device or via USB drive?
Aug 28 06:28:47 <zottffssen> on device
Aug 28 06:29:06 <rwhitby> same after a reboot?
Aug 28 06:29:16 <zottffssen> I've rebooted it twice already
Aug 28 06:29:24 <rwhitby> cause /media always has directories in it
Aug 28 06:29:32 <rwhitby> zottffssen: did you screw up /etc/fstab ?
Aug 28 06:29:41 <zottffssen> I don't think so...
Aug 28 06:29:46 <Abyssul> If media has no directories, then you have no USB drive...
Aug 28 06:29:50 <rwhitby> zottffssen: pastebin it
Aug 28 06:29:52 <zottffssen> I haven't messed around with it at all
Aug 28 06:30:10 <zottffssen> well I just go ls /media and it doesn't give me anything
Aug 28 06:30:15 <zottffssen> paste bin what?
Aug 28 06:30:20 <drobbins> rwhitby: know of any way to check charge level from shell?
Aug 28 06:30:23 <rwhitby> zottffssen: /etc/fstab contents
Aug 28 06:30:36 <rwhitby> drobbins: no off-hand
Aug 28 06:30:39 <drobbins> ok
Aug 28 06:30:49 <cyclic> rwhitby: where can I get the sources for openssl or the correct installation?  I am still not seeing it in the toolchain.
Aug 28 06:30:51 <rwhitby> drobbins: ka6sox probably does
Aug 28 06:31:04 <drobbins> ok
Aug 28 06:31:05 <rwhitby> cyclic: is it in the widk ?
Aug 28 06:31:24 <cyclic> the WIDK prereqs list has it there
Aug 28 06:31:43 <drobbins> I think the first thing I will compile is unfs3
Aug 28 06:31:45 <rwhitby> cyclic: packages/common/openssl
Aug 28 06:32:25 <cyclic> ah there it is!
Aug 28 06:33:00 <Abyssul> Ahhh oil is here!
Aug 28 06:33:40 <Snowwhitie> Thanks on the tip about Tyepwriter..its a nice lil app. Just trying to figure out if ican underline and Bold things so format looks nice
Aug 28 06:33:56 <cyclic> so should ./configure just pick it up since it's part of the WIDK?  When I run configure on ("cmake ." actually) on this package I am trying to configure, it says CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:91 (MESSAGE):   Could NOT find OpenSSL (missing: OPENSSL_LIBRARIES OPENSSL_INCLUDE_DIR)
Aug 28 06:33:58 <oil_pre> Abyssul: yeah
Aug 28 06:35:20 <rwhitby> cyclic: you need to add a dep for it so it gets staged first
Aug 28 06:35:38 <roadkill> rwhitby: Rated 1 star because you didn't bribe me. ;)
Aug 28 06:35:48 <AMR-1> wishes he could see the activation count of total TPs....
Aug 28 06:35:51 <roadkill> (got it. 5 stars. tried the 6 free apps coupon codes and all of 'em were bunk. Poo.)
Aug 28 06:36:08 <rwhitby> yeah, they ran out of them :)
Aug 28 06:36:21 <AMR-1> roadkill, more coming
Aug 28 06:36:22 <rwhitby> one way for them to work out the user base numbers I guess.
Aug 28 06:36:23 <cyclic> rwhitby: how do you mean a dep for it?  I can add this to the wiki ;)
Aug 28 06:36:37 <rwhitby> cyclic: check another WIDK package - most have deps of some sort
Aug 28 06:36:46 <AMR-1> watch blog.palm.com
Aug 28 06:36:49 <roadkill> I still question the logic in having limited uses for a coupon for the Camera app.
Aug 28 06:36:51 <cyclic> ah ok
Aug 28 06:36:59 <zottffssen> rwhitby: http://pastebin.com/GKz5Jp9t
Aug 28 06:37:00 <rwhitby> cyclic: perhaps a new section to that page for WIDK packages
Aug 28 06:37:10 <cyclic> yeah
Aug 28 06:37:11 <Abyssul> I dont understand why more developers dont have apps packaged as 2.x and 3.x combined
Aug 28 06:37:13 <zottffssen> I think I did that right...
Aug 28 06:37:14 <AMR-1> i think they are testing load on the App Cat...
Aug 28 06:37:31 <Abyssul> I applaud TapNote for their jumpstart into this already
Aug 28 06:38:00 <gandhijee_> cyclic: you seem like you pretty much covered it all
Aug 28 06:38:05 <rwhitby> zottffssen: since you don't even have /media/ram, something is seriously wrong
Aug 28 06:38:29 <rwhitby> AMR-1: HP is going to have to give away apps every week to keep the interest up
Aug 28 06:38:45 <zottffssen> wait
Aug 28 06:38:48 <zottffssen> I do apparently
Aug 28 06:38:52 <rwhitby> Abyssul: the ability to publish multi-package apps only came last week
Aug 28 06:39:26 <zottffssen> rwhitby: I'm using the linux command line from WebOS Quick Install
Aug 28 06:39:31 <rwhitby> and the HP announcement would have dampered the enthusiasm of a lot of devs
Aug 28 06:39:34 <AMR-1> was wowed that they thru in the birds!
Aug 28 06:39:38 <zottffssen> And this says that I have files in /opt and in /media
Aug 28 06:39:39 <rwhitby> zottffssen: use novaterm instead
Aug 28 06:40:32 <AH-Compy> anyone know how to either remove ubuntu to reinstall it or chmod 777 ext3fs w/o using a pc?
Aug 28 06:40:36 <AMR-1> I think they are going to reissue the first set too - questions where they are getting all this money?
Aug 28 06:40:44 <Snowwhitie> HP can't even give a Touchpad to its employee yet alone a free app...lol.
Aug 28 06:40:58 <zottffssen> rwhitby: that also says that I have files in /opt and in /media
Aug 28 06:41:07 <zottffssen> so the touchpad lied to me
Aug 28 06:41:20 <Abyssul> rwhitby, really? I just found out now...
Aug 28 06:41:22 <rwhitby> zottffssen: were you in a chroot before?
Aug 28 06:41:26 <zottffssen> yeah
Aug 28 06:41:27 <Abyssul> To the dev forums!
Aug 28 06:41:32 <cyclic> hrrm
Aug 28 06:41:34 <rwhitby> zottffssen: that's the reason
Aug 28 06:42:00 <zottffssen> but I thought that was where i was supposed to be installing git from
Aug 28 06:42:14 <cyclic> rwhitby: I was going to see about openssh, but got this - curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 make: *** [../../downloads/openssh_5.3p1-1_armv7.ipk] Error 22
Aug 28 06:42:56 <Abyssul> I wonder if PreCentral allows circlejerking
Aug 28 06:43:12 <zottffssen> what's the name for git?
Aug 28 06:43:17 <zottffssen> to install it
Aug 28 06:43:26 <cyclic> trying to make in /srv/preware/build/optware/openssh
Aug 28 06:43:44 <rwhitby> Abyssul: keep things PG here please
Aug 28 06:44:14 <rwhitby> cyclic: perhaps the upstream source has gone
Aug 28 06:44:19 <cyclic> yeah
Aug 28 06:45:00 <Abyssul> Oh wow. I didnt even mean that in a R rated way lol. I meants in the "sarcastic comments" way
Aug 28 06:45:17 <Abyssul> I just now googled what that term really meant o.O
Aug 28 06:45:32 <zottffssen> rwhitby: Now when I try and run ipkg-opt install opt, it doesn't work
Aug 28 06:45:32 <Abyssul> Dang reddit...
Aug 28 06:45:49 <zottffssen> Gives me this: Nothing to be done
Aug 28 06:45:49 <zottffssen> An error ocurred, return value: 4.
Aug 28 06:45:50 <zottffssen> Collected errors:
Aug 28 06:45:50 <zottffssen> Cannot find package git.core.
Aug 28 06:45:50 <zottffssen> Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update'
Aug 28 06:46:00 <zottffssen> I also tried git
Aug 28 06:46:41 <zottffssen> and I'm running it from the /opt/bin dir
Aug 28 06:47:03 <rwhitby> zottffssen: when you're in a chroot, you're in ubuntu. use xterm for optware
Aug 28 06:47:05 <cyclic> ah it's 5.8p2-1_arm now
Aug 28 06:47:40 <zottffssen> rwhitby: I'm running it from novaterm on my computer, does it have to be done from xterm?
Aug 28 06:47:45 <rwhitby> cyclic: do you want to update and test that new version?
Aug 28 06:47:51 <cyclic> that would be great!
Aug 28 06:48:05 <rwhitby> zottffssen: novaterm is outside the chroot, yes
Aug 28 06:48:23 <zottffssen> well it's giving me the error from novaterm
Aug 28 06:48:27 <rwhitby> cyclic: should be able to just change versions in there, build the package and test
Aug 28 06:48:32 <cyclic> k
Aug 28 06:48:34 <cyclic> thanks!
Aug 28 06:49:10 <rwhitby> zottffssen: in general, questions are best accompanied by a full pastebin.com of the context, commands type and output
Aug 28 06:49:21 <zottffssen> alright
Aug 28 06:49:42 <rwhitby> saves me having to get out my crystal ball ;)
Aug 28 06:50:23 <zottffssen> rwhitby: http://pastebin.com/zHCag8ED
Aug 28 06:50:51 <dragoon> maybe run ipkg update?
Aug 28 06:50:51 <dragoon> :p
Aug 28 06:51:06 <zottffssen> I did it
Aug 28 06:51:07 <zottffssen> wait
Aug 28 06:51:08 <zottffssen> ..
Aug 28 06:51:09 <rwhitby> ipkg-opt update
Aug 28 06:51:15 <cyclic> rwhitby: sorry, where is that url stored?
Aug 28 06:51:16 <zottffssen> yeah i just figured that out lol
Aug 28 06:51:48 <rwhitby> sweet, web-a-thon is up to $12,400
Aug 28 06:52:11 <rwhitby> that means we get to buy Pre 3's for devs
Aug 28 06:52:32 <rwhitby> (if we can find any)
Aug 28 06:52:45 <AMR-1> betcha HP has some....
Aug 28 06:52:45 <rwhitby> cyclic: where are you at the moment in the tree?
Aug 28 06:52:58 <rwhitby> AMR-1: if they have, they're not talking
Aug 28 06:53:22 <cyclic> build/optware/openssh
Aug 28 06:53:27 <AMR-1> oooh yeah they are not talkin....  How many Pre3s are showin up in your logs?
Aug 28 06:53:45 <rwhitby> oh, folks in UK have Pre 3's. and I have one arriving in Australia this week
Aug 28 06:53:59 <rwhitby> they're still full price in UK and rare as hens teeth
Aug 28 06:54:20 <cyclic> just edit the Makefile?
Aug 28 06:54:48 <rwhitby> cyclic: yep
Aug 28 06:54:57 <AMR-1> im on sprint so I got about -100000000 chances of seein WebOS 3.x on my phone....
Aug 28 06:55:07 <AMR-1> :(
Aug 28 06:55:21 <rwhitby> cyclic: then you can test the install by putting the package in /media/internal and installing with Preware Install Package -> Browse
Aug 28 06:55:31 <cyclic> ok
Aug 28 06:56:41 <zottffssen> rwhitby: So to get that experimental chroot, with separate applications in different cards, I just need to install the xecutah from git?
Aug 28 06:57:27 <roadkill> AMR-1: I know your pain. I'm on Virgin. (Sprint without contracts or roaming.)
Aug 28 06:57:37 <rwhitby> zottffssen: nope, no-one has added it to gi yet
Aug 28 06:57:47 <zottffssen> oh what
Aug 28 06:57:59 <roadkill> I cannot use GSM at all. So I had to be on sprint before it was down to AT&T and TMobile.
Aug 28 06:58:00 <zottffssen> ka6sox said that it was on git a few days ago...
Aug 28 06:58:05 <AMR-1> rwhitby, you lurk in the dev forums?   you see listen and learn?
Aug 28 06:59:45 <cyclic> so it gave it a package name of mobi.optware.openssh_5.8.2-1_i686
Aug 28 06:59:49 <cyclic> .ipkg
Aug 28 07:00:50 <AMR-1> my pre is rockin still - wifes is cracked all to hell w/chunks fallin off of it but still works -  Prob will Franken a couple of  Pre2s if I can find them...
Aug 28 07:01:45 <AMR-1> had half a mind to take the parts out of a veer and stick them in a pre case....
Aug 28 07:04:05 <Snowwhitie> I got hold of a Pre2, I think its a pre2.  not sure. my company gave me one and they said  I can get the new one late ron lol
Aug 28 07:04:12 <Snowwhitie> How do I know what Palm phone i have lol
Aug 28 07:04:50 <ka6sox> zottffssen, its not been put in there yet.
Aug 28 07:05:02 <ka6sox> I'm not even sure the repo has been created.
Aug 28 07:05:07 <Xuzz> ugh, rwhitby, it's just a stupid property >_>
Aug 28 07:05:32 <zottffssen> ka6sox: You said that I could get it from git a few days ago :(
Aug 28 07:05:36 <zottffssen> oh well i can wait
Aug 28 07:06:03 * zottffssen starts gnawing at his fingernails
Aug 28 07:16:01 <AMR-1> brb... bestbuy's ad is up...  rumors there were more TPs to be had and maybe somethin in the ad...
Aug 28 07:16:36 <ka6sox> zottffssen, how much time do you have here now?
Aug 28 07:16:50 <zottffssen> A lit
Aug 28 07:16:54 <zottffssen> Lot*
Aug 28 07:17:23 <zottffssen> I'm also significantly less retarded than when you were talking me through optware a few days ago
Aug 28 07:17:59 <rwhitby> Preware 1.7.5 in the testing feed with list rendering fix thanks to Xuzz
Aug 28 07:18:12 <Xuzz> :D
Aug 28 07:18:38 <rwhitby> Xuzz: patches get an even higher priority than wiki pages ;)
Aug 28 07:19:04 <Xuzz> Is there anything else small like that which just needs to be fixed?
Aug 28 07:20:31 <elljay> rwhitby: I'm quite possibly out of my depth here but is this what the logfile should look like? http://pastebin.com/3wqHbTpi
Aug 28 07:21:00 <ka6sox> zottffssen, learning curves are tough.
Aug 28 07:21:01 <rwhitby> elljay: that's topaz.xml
Aug 28 07:21:30 <rwhitby> Xuzz: I think we have a bug tracker somewhere
Aug 28 07:21:40 <Xuzz> mmm :)
Aug 28 07:21:42 <zottffssen> ka6sox: Yeah, I know :/ But I'm willing to learn and I've got a bunch of time to spare
Aug 28 07:21:58 <Prudvi_> rwhitby: i am getting warning:Couldnt load the binfmt_misc module when i ran "rc 2 start"  while installing Ubuntu Netbook you have any idea if its normal
Aug 28 07:22:07 <rwhitby> no idea
Aug 28 07:22:19 <rwhitby> you won't be able to load kernel modules in a chroot
Aug 28 07:23:14 <Prudvi_> oops
Aug 28 07:24:26 <AMR-1> back... nothin in latest BB ad but HDMI cables for the same price as I paid for my TP...
Aug 28 07:24:47 <roadkill> Heh. No surprise.
Aug 28 07:25:03 <roadkill> HDMI cables are BB's highest margin items.
Aug 28 07:29:57 <Ironsight> oh yeah, I ended up ordering my hdmi cables from newegg
Aug 28 07:30:07 <Ironsight> best buy are HORRID on those cables
Aug 28 07:30:57 <Ironsight> (I mean standard male 2 male hdmi used for xbox/ps3/dvd/cable/etc
Aug 28 07:41:08 <cyclic> odd
Aug 28 07:41:19 <cyclic> I got SecGenericPasswordCreate failed when I tried to connect with my Mac to the touchpad
Aug 28 07:41:28 <cyclic> something with the keychain
Aug 28 07:42:50 <zottffssen> did HP just not add scrollbars to WebOS at all?
Aug 28 07:44:01 <EdLin> Ironsight best site for cables is monoprice.com
Aug 28 07:44:13 <EdLin> Ironsight I got HDMI cables for well under $20 there.
Aug 28 07:45:35 <Ironsight> good deal
Aug 28 07:47:17 <roadkill> Ironsight: I must be a freak. I've never had to buy an HDMI cable. Ever.
Aug 28 07:47:23 <roadkill> And I still have yet to actually use one.
Aug 28 07:47:31 <roadkill> I've got a box full of them.
Aug 28 07:47:48 <EdLin> roadkill needed one for an Xbox 360 for HD output.
Aug 28 07:47:51 <roadkill> came with this video card, that digital flip cam, etc.
Aug 28 07:47:55 <ziplock503-pre> ps3 need hdmi
Aug 28 07:48:20 <roadkill> though my projector is still component / vga
Aug 28 07:48:21 <EdLin> blu-ray in general needs HDMI. DRM cables. ;-)
Aug 28 07:48:39 <roadkill> Yeah. I'm pretty much never gonna jump on the bluray bandwagon.
Aug 28 07:49:02 <Ironsight> I have hdmi ports on 3 of my laptops, so I use my 42" 1080p lcd to do 3d modeling sometimes
Aug 28 07:49:14 <EdLin> I hate bluray, but the PS3 was pretty nice before Sony PSN was hacked.
Aug 28 07:49:39 <Ironsight> also my roku2 uses hdmi
Aug 28 07:49:41 <roadkill> DVDs look like crap when you scale them up to 75 inches on the wall... the same dvd source actually looks infinitely more watchable if you convert it to 1.5Mbps H264.
Aug 28 07:49:57 <roadkill> Not crystal clear HD, but still much, much more watchable.
Aug 28 07:50:06 <EdLin> roadkill better scaling
Aug 28 07:50:27 <Ironsight> roadkill there are some nice upscaling dvd players out there
Aug 28 07:50:30 <roadkill> Better methods for drawing blocks and compensating for keyframe noise.
Aug 28 07:51:00 <roadkill> That's the first thing people notice about MPEG2 after watching something else for a while: Keyframing.
Aug 28 07:51:27 <roadkill> The approx twice per second pulsing noise in the background.
Aug 28 07:51:31 <EdLin> roadkill what's keyframing?
Aug 28 07:51:41 <AMR-1> sorry i derailed focus... back to ... oh wait...   we wernt talking about anything....
Aug 28 07:51:43 <roadkill> Heh
Aug 28 07:52:24 <roadkill> Keyframing, in a nutshell... is how compression works. You start with a master frame (the key) and all of the changes in subsequent frames (how you eliminate info to compress) are based off that keyframe. Keyframes typically update once every 15 frames.
Aug 28 07:53:19 <roadkill> So the background will tend to look slightly static or degrade in detail (differences in all the frames drawing) until that 1/2 second where the keyframe updates, it's like seeing a fresh image loaded and inserted into a bunch of recompressed images.
Aug 28 07:53:26 * EdLin thinks, who needs compression? NSA has these nice 100TB drives they could loan me.
Aug 28 07:53:56 <roadkill> Compression makes everything possible. We couldn't fit a single SD movie on a 16GB SDCard without compression.
Aug 28 07:54:26 <zottffssen> Did HP just add paid apps to the Australian store?
Aug 28 07:54:41 <Xuzz> zottffssen: yeah, recently
Aug 28 07:55:04 <elljay> rwhitby: I believe I got it right this time... http://pastebin.com/7bBda4iz
Aug 28 07:55:27 <roadkill> Video compression basically does this: Frame 1: Keyframe. Frame 2: All the differences between frame 1 and 2. Frame 3: All the differences between frames 2 and 3. Frame 4: All the differences between frames 3 and 4. Frame 5: All the differences between 4 and 5 ... Frame 14: All the differences between frames 13 and 14. Frame 15: New Keyframe.
Aug 28 07:55:45 <roadkill> End result: The background tends to look like it's pulsing about twice every second. Especially noticable when it's a dark scene.
Aug 28 07:55:56 <rwhitby> elljay: i don't see where you actually did "make DEVICE=... clobber all"
Aug 28 07:56:24 <roadkill> That's MPEG2. H264 does a bunch of fancy tricks to get better compression AND quality, reducing the artifacts (like keyframe pulsing as I describe)... It's amazing work.
Aug 28 07:56:46 <EdLin> roadkill too bad about the patents
Aug 28 07:56:49 <roadkill> Yep.
Aug 28 07:56:55 * Ironsight renders to h.264
Aug 28 07:57:08 <roadkill> Copyrights and patents have made a lot of things VERY difficult to implent or deal with.
Aug 28 07:57:08 * EdLin renders Ironsight 
Aug 28 07:57:17 <Ironsight> I already did that years ago
Aug 28 07:57:18 <Ironsight> :)
Aug 28 07:57:52 <roadkill> H264 is fantastic work though. I'm still impressed with what they managed to do, how much you can fit in such a small file (relatively speaking compared to DVD/MPEG2)
Aug 28 07:58:11 * rwhitby gently points at the topic ;)
Aug 28 07:58:22 <roadkill> *ahem* And that's why I like to watch videos on my Touchpad.
Aug 28 07:58:25 <EdLin> rwhitby webos plays h264
Aug 28 07:58:52 <zottffssen> How do I use Impostah to get apps from the US store?
Aug 28 07:58:55 <Ironsight> http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=903389&user_id=340443&np&np
Aug 28 07:59:04 <elljay> rwhitby: can't believe i missed that, it took me a while to figure out how to copy the terminal output, then i ran just ran the jar file again... back to the start i go, again
Aug 28 08:53:01 <rwhitby> AMR-1: http://ompldr.org/vYTM3Zw/Screen%20shot%202011-08-28%20at%206.06.27%20PM.png
Aug 28 08:53:22 <rwhitby> AMR-1: implementing your idea
Aug 28 08:53:54 <rwhitby> zottffssen: free apps or paid apps
Aug 28 08:53:58 <AMR-1> like... how the heck r u doin that AND steering TD?
Aug 28 08:54:10 <zottffssen> rwhitby: free
Aug 28 08:54:16 <rwhitby> AMR-1: webOS multi-tasking ;)
Aug 28 08:54:20 <AMR-1> RW is a robot!
Aug 28 08:54:51 <AMR-1> just added a revew to PW docs
Aug 28 09:00:48 <AMR-1> "Will Quake do?".... lol
Aug 28 09:29:53 <tmzt_> any danger with adding a getty to upstart?
Aug 28 09:29:58 <tmzt_> on tp
Aug 28 09:54:39 <rwhitby> how does the placement of the header icon look now? http://ompldr.org/vYTM4Zg/Screen%20shot%202011-08-28%20at%207.19.58%20PM.png
Aug 28 09:55:00 <rwhitby> compared to http://ompldr.org/vYTM3Zw/Screen%20shot%202011-08-28%20at%206.06.27%20PM.png
Aug 28 10:11:13 <elljay> rwhitby: got ubuntu running fine now, must have missed something along the way but i started from scratch and logged everything but now I don't need it. Problem solved! Thanks for checking out those files for me anyways man, appreciate it
Aug 28 10:11:25 <tmzt_> chroot?
Aug 28 10:11:32 <elljay> yep
Aug 28 10:11:46 <tmzt_> what device?
Aug 28 10:11:50 <elljay> touchpad
Aug 28 10:11:54 <tmzt_> cool
Aug 28 10:12:01 <tmzt_> working on native soon
Aug 28 10:12:07 <rwhitby> elljay: doing it to show someone else the log is my most effective troubleshooting technique for other people to do ;)
Aug 28 10:12:44 <elljay> yeah i wouldn't mind that dual booted with android. i don't know a whole lot about linux but i'm getting there
Aug 28 10:16:19 <kennethpenn> rwhitby --- is your app created entirely with HTML and Javascript?
Aug 28 10:16:39 <rwhitby> kennethpenn: that's the Enyo version of Preware Homebrew Documentation
Aug 28 10:17:47 <kennethpenn> very cool
Aug 28 10:17:51 <kennethpenn> webOS ftw
Aug 28 10:18:38 <elljay> anyone recommend the best gui to run on touchpad? xfce, lxde, icewm?
Aug 28 11:00:10 <technikfreak> who wrote the synergy addons?
Aug 28 11:31:38 <rwhitby> technikfreak: which synergy addons?
Aug 28 11:34:16 <technikfreak> i tried to add the icq synergy plugins
Aug 28 11:34:21 <technikfreak> to my tp
Aug 28 11:34:33 <technikfreak> but if i tried to create an account i got jsuta white screen
Aug 28 11:34:53 <rwhitby> greg_roll did them first, then NuttyBunny took them over. He doesn't have a touchpad yet. Send one to Mexico to get that fixed.
Aug 28 11:36:48 <technikfreak> ah ok
Aug 28 11:36:55 <technikfreak> so no icq and msn at the moment
Aug 28 11:37:04 <technikfreak> because on linux no messenger works
Aug 28 12:31:55 <siestacatontp> hi, does anyone have the source image files used in the meta-doctor boot screen?
Aug 28 12:32:15 <gandhijee_> so the webOS bitbake/OE environment is just different enought that i can't find where it stores the def configs.....
Aug 28 12:32:28 <gandhijee_> can someone point me in the right direction?
Aug 28 12:34:27 <cryptk> gandhijee_, left... it's definitely to the left...
Aug 28 12:34:43 <cryptk> which configs are you looking for?
Aug 28 12:34:49 <cryptk> the kernel config?
Aug 28 12:34:54 <gandhijee_> yeah
Aug 28 12:35:00 <cryptk> have you looked in /boot ?
Aug 28 12:35:14 <gandhijee_> ? i am talking about the build env
Aug 28 12:35:24 <cryptk> <cryptk> the kernel config?
Aug 28 12:35:24 <cryptk> <gandhijee_> yeah
Aug 28 12:35:39 <gandhijee_> and uberkernel actually has holds it inside /proc/config.gz
Aug 28 12:35:54 <gandhijee_> but thats not the one i am looking for, i am looking for the one in the preware env
Aug 28 12:36:02 <yaboo> think I have two projects two write for webos
Aug 28 12:36:19 <cryptk> gandhijee_, what do you mean by the preware env?
Aug 28 12:36:23 <yaboo> a rss reader, and a twitter client, unless spaz gets updated
Aug 28 12:36:30 <cryptk> preware isn't an OS... it's an app...
Aug 28 12:37:39 <cryptk> gandhijee_, do you mean where the stock one is located at if you have a homebrew kernel?
Aug 28 12:39:06 <gandhijee_> cryptk: no, look here, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels.  i am building my own kernel
Aug 28 12:39:41 <gandhijee_> so i need to change the defconfig for when i do make package so it produces a kernel with MY configuration....
Aug 28 12:42:12 <cryptk> gandhijee_, out kernels aren't quite built like that
Aug 28 12:42:23 <cryptk> our kernels are set up as patches against the palm kernel sources
Aug 28 12:42:57 <gandhijee_> cryptk: your telling me that you don't use a defconfig of anytype to set the build options?
Aug 28 12:42:58 <yajinni> hey i got a question about this link
Aug 28 12:42:59 <yajinni> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Hulu_Fix
Aug 28 12:43:01 <cryptk> so you take the kernel source... apply the palm patch... then apply our patch
Aug 28 12:43:09 <gandhijee_> yes
Aug 28 12:43:11 <yajinni> on it it says: August 26th, 2011 this is now an installable patch within the WebOS-Internals patch feed using Preware.
Aug 28 12:43:11 <cryptk> that's what happens in the background when you run that make command
Aug 28 12:43:26 <yajinni> i cant find this on preware on my hp touchpad >.> any ideas?
Aug 28 12:43:26 <cryptk> and our patches are pulled from our git as part of the make
Aug 28 12:43:29 <gandhijee_> but what about the kernel configuration file, the def config
Aug 28 12:43:58 <cryptk> same... it starts with the mainline kernel defconfig... then the palm patch changes it... then we have a patch for it as well to further change it
Aug 28 12:44:16 <cryptk> http://git.webos-internals.org/kernels/patches/
Aug 28 12:44:51 <cryptk> gandhijee_, notice how in that git repo it is pretty much nothing but patch files
Aug 28 12:45:10 <gandhijee_> ugh, change the kernel config in this OE env is a lot hairier than changing it in Ansgtrom =/
Aug 28 12:45:25 <cryptk> when you run make package, you download the palm kernel source and patch... apply palm patch, git clone our patch, apply our patch, build kernel
Aug 28 12:46:14 <gandhijee_> yeah
Aug 28 12:46:30 <gandhijee_> and i can't figure out how to clean out the directory properly...
Aug 28 12:46:30 <cryptk> it is set up like that to make it easier on the autobuilder, and it is easier to maintain... not necessarily easier for one-off builds though
Aug 28 12:46:41 <cryptk> make clobber
Aug 28 12:46:59 <cryptk> what are you building the kernel for?
Aug 28 12:47:15 <gandhijee_> does that remove the git dir as well?
Aug 28 12:47:21 <gandhijee_> a touchpad
Aug 28 12:47:37 <cryptk> it removes the build dir and the ipkgs dir
Aug 28 12:47:54 <cryptk> gandhijee_, what I meant was what is the purpose of the new kernel that you are building for the TP
Aug 28 12:47:59 <gandhijee_> so who do i get the git patches again if i deleted that directory
Aug 28 12:48:06 <cryptk> as in why are you building it (I'm curious)
Aug 28 12:48:14 <gandhijee_> because i can
Aug 28 12:48:25 <cryptk> when you run make package it will re-clone them if you did a make clobber
Aug 28 12:48:33 <gandhijee_> ok
Aug 28 12:48:41 <hk135> gandhijee_: how are you reading any error output?
Aug 28 12:49:12 <gandhijee_> hk135: well right now i've been lucky and just tested the default uberkernel, and am booting it using memboot
Aug 28 12:49:33 <gandhijee_> so once i get it up, i'll prolly try to enable knetlogging
Aug 28 12:49:54 <hk135> gandhijee_: okay, does memboot give you a boot console?
Aug 28 12:50:09 <cryptk> it can if the kernel is set up for it
Aug 28 12:50:15 <gandhijee_> yeah, i've already booted it with a default uberkernel
Aug 28 12:50:21 <cryptk> F15 gives a boot console, so does UK
Aug 28 12:50:42 <cryptk> and I recently built an UK with an initrd that does a pivot_root to an angstrom rootfs ;)
Aug 28 12:50:50 <cryptk> recently as in ~ 2 hours ago
Aug 28 12:51:05 <hk135> cryptk: nice, thats pretty much what im trying to do, but to a debian rotofs
Aug 28 12:51:09 <gandhijee_> i liked the angstrom bitbake env, it make it easy to change the kerenl config =/
Aug 28 12:51:13 <cryptk> nothing fully functional yet though... but it boots enough that cron runs
Aug 28 12:52:13 <hk135> nice, im getting stuck at booting the kernel, might just give that a rest and start with a filesystem
Aug 28 12:52:30 <cryptk> get it working in a chroot first
Aug 28 12:52:38 <cryptk> then step on to getting it to boot with a pivot_root
Aug 28 12:53:10 <hk135> tbh getting debain an a chroot is fairly easy (debootstrap and all)
Aug 28 12:53:34 <gandhijee_> cryptk: if i wanted to change the defconfig how the heck would i go about it actually?? i'm lost on where to start since it pulls the patches from your git
Aug 28 12:54:58 <cryptk> well, you are using the wrong isntructions
Aug 28 12:55:12 <cryptk> the instructions you are following are about how to build something we have made and configged
Aug 28 12:55:23 <cryptk> what you really want is likely this http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Custom_Kernels
Aug 28 12:55:59 <cryptk> just make sure to not download the kernel tarball and patches directly linked from there
Aug 28 12:56:07 <cryptk> get them from the palm opensource page...
Aug 28 12:56:12 <cryptk> which is also linked there
Aug 28 12:58:59 <gandhijee_> cryptk: i already have the sources from the palm opensource page
Aug 28 12:59:29 <gandhijee_> cryptk: what about this messasge - These instructions are obsolete and likely incorrect
Aug 28 13:00:43 <yaboo> just downloadede the dev kit, is there any doco on programming for the touchpad or webos I guess
Aug 28 13:04:36 <yajinni> can anyone tell me why i cant find this under preware?
Aug 28 13:04:37 <yajinni> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Hulu_Fix
Aug 28 13:05:46 <cryptk> gandhijee_, you only other source is to look through the makefiles in build.git
Aug 28 13:06:11 <cryptk> or grab the kernel source and patches, grab our patches, patch everything up... build it
Aug 28 13:08:24 <Abyssul-TP_> Im back! :-)
Aug 28 13:09:37 <gandhijee_> yeah so it seems
Aug 28 13:09:58 <gandhijee_> i'll probably just take the prepatch dir, move it out of the env, and go from there i guess
Aug 28 13:26:39 <rwhitby> yajinni: did you search for Hulu in Preware ?
Aug 28 13:27:58 <LarrySteeze> rwhitby: I told you you'd be around when I woke up :P
Aug 28 13:29:47 <rwhitby> LarrySteeze: not for long though
Aug 28 13:30:27 <yajinni> yes i searched for hulu and it didnt show up rwhitby
Aug 28 13:31:05 <rwhitby> ~testing-feeds
Aug 28 13:31:05 <infobot> testing-feeds is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds
Aug 28 13:31:11 <rwhitby> ^^
Aug 28 13:31:30 <yajinni> hm yea i found it there. but didnt want to mess with it because it was testing
Aug 28 13:32:00 <yajinni> i just tried the manual way on the site
Aug 28 13:32:04 <yajinni> it kind of worked
Aug 28 13:32:06 <yajinni> plays the adds
Aug 28 13:32:20 <yajinni> but just gives me a black screen before the show starts
Aug 28 13:33:59 <yajinni> anyone have that fix successfully working?
Aug 28 13:34:13 <LarrySteeze> yes
Aug 28 13:34:38 <LarrySteeze> I don't watch hulu, so I haven't tried it, but I've seen people report that it works well
Aug 28 13:35:45 <yajinni> i followed the instructions and was able to verify that it made a backup of the lib file it modifies and such
Aug 28 13:35:50 <yajinni> so i know the commands went though
Aug 28 13:35:55 <yajinni> but only adds play
Aug 28 13:36:02 <yajinni> and black screen for the actual show
Aug 28 13:36:17 <yajinni> i do have the 1.5ghz kernal applied from preware
Aug 28 13:36:22 <yajinni> idk if that affects anything
Aug 28 13:36:25 <Tanuki> sounds like the 'unblock' has been applied
Aug 28 13:36:31 <Tanuki> and the issue is something unrelated
Aug 28 13:38:08 <yajinni> not sure what the unblock is
Aug 28 13:39:54 <Tanuki> it works based on some id provided to it by the flash player
Aug 28 13:40:06 <Tanuki> my guess is the patch simply modifies the id
Aug 28 13:41:44 <yajinni> yea looking over the commands
Aug 28 13:41:54 <yajinni> it just changes one string inside of a file
Aug 28 13:42:35 <yajinni> idk of a txt editor that would let me check the file to see if it does the change....
Aug 28 13:43:20 <yajinni> but it does make a backup of that fire than i can verify
Aug 28 13:43:39 <Tanuki> it's a binary file, so no
Aug 28 13:45:54 <z4ph0d> hellooow
Aug 28 13:46:46 <z4ph0d> are there newer kernels for pre2
Aug 28 13:46:59 <z4ph0d> the official seems tro be 2.6.24
Aug 28 13:52:33 <Tanuki> yajinni: the fact you're no longer getting a 'sorry this device is blocked' message is a pretty good sign it worked :)
Aug 28 13:54:09 <LarrySteeze|Awea> :-\
Aug 28 13:54:38 <siestacatontp> rwhitby prepare hb doc has been pirated, you might want to request its taken down
Aug 28 13:54:39 <LarrySteeze> electricity went out for a second
Aug 28 13:54:45 <siestacatontp> preware*
Aug 28 13:55:06 <LarrySteeze> siestacatontp: the app itself?
Aug 28 13:55:23 <siestacatontp> LarrySteeze yup
Aug 28 13:55:28 <LarrySteeze> -_-
Aug 28 13:55:41 <siestacatontp> someone should request its taken down
Aug 28 13:55:43 <LarrySteeze> we need more mods in #touchpad
Aug 28 13:55:55 <LarrySteeze> it's not intended to be a warez channel
Aug 28 13:56:18 <siestacatontp> rofl
Aug 28 13:56:41 <LarrySteeze> o.o did I use an outdated term? do we not say warez anymore? lol
Aug 28 13:56:57 <siestacatontp> lol
Aug 28 13:57:02 <siestacatontp> anyway
Aug 28 13:57:13 <siestacatontp> fuzzypalm pirated it
Aug 28 13:58:27 <siestacatontp> that's really dumb...
Aug 28 13:58:47 <siestacatontp> dunno if the owner of the site or filesonic should be contacted
Aug 28 13:59:13 <LarrySteeze> is it hosted on filesonic?
Aug 28 13:59:26 <LarrySteeze> my electricity hiccupped so I missed the posting
Aug 28 13:59:32 <Abyssul-TP_> Report it on filesonic
Aug 28 13:59:45 <LarrySteeze> can you PM a link to the site?
Aug 28 14:01:50 <NuttyBunny> there, comment left
Aug 28 14:02:13 <rrix> stay classy #touchpad
Aug 28 14:02:17 <z4ph0d> okay
Aug 28 14:03:16 <z4ph0d> is it only me having issues with wifi locking all networking
Aug 28 14:03:18 <z4ph0d> on pre2
Aug 28 14:03:34 <NuttyBunny> So that's the way the android community behaves?  *sigh*
Aug 28 14:03:47 <z4ph0d> managed to trace it to ioctl(SIOCGIFCONF, ...
Aug 28 14:03:53 <siestacatontp> larrysteeze
Aug 28 14:04:12 <LarrySteeze> yes?
Aug 28 14:04:21 <z4ph0d> looks like bug in the kernel :)
Aug 28 14:12:24 <LarrySteeze> anyone know how to file a complaint with filesonic?
Aug 28 14:13:05 <LarrySteeze> never mind
Aug 28 14:13:11 <LarrySteeze> it won't let me either because I'm not the owner -_-
Aug 28 14:13:18 <NuttyBunny> bah
Aug 28 14:13:25 <siestacatontp> lol nuttybunnu
Aug 28 14:13:30 <siestacatontp> 'assface'
Aug 28 14:13:46 <siestacatontp> but yeah
Aug 28 14:17:23 <yajinni> is there a file explorer app  that lets me change r/w capabilites of a system file and such?
Aug 28 14:18:48 <LarrySteeze> yajinni: you might want to check out internalz.
Aug 28 14:19:08 <LarrySteeze> I don't know that it's going to give you everything you're looking for, but I think it's going to be the closest you'll find
Aug 28 14:19:24 <yajinni> yea i have it installed
Aug 28 14:19:27 <yajinni> shows me permissions
Aug 28 14:19:30 <yajinni> doesnt let me change them
Aug 28 14:20:46 <Abyssul-TP_> Pre2 kernel is buggy
Aug 28 14:22:39 <LarrySteeze> I'm a bit disappointed with this hurricane
Aug 28 14:23:52 <NuttyBunny> yajinni, look in the preferences for "master mode", maybe it can help
Aug 28 14:25:17 <yajinni> will look for it nutty
Aug 28 14:28:56 <Abyssul-TP_> Wow. A VPN plugin for PPtP in the catalog by HP
Aug 28 14:29:06 <Abyssul-TP_> Didnt notice that
Aug 28 14:29:10 <NuttyBunny> Abyssul-TP_, Yup, saw it 3 days ago :)
Aug 28 14:29:22 <NuttyBunny> not that I use it (just vpnc for me), but a nice option
Aug 28 14:29:43 <NuttyBunny> of course, you can't keep people happy: "Ok, thanks, but now I want a RDP app"
Aug 28 14:29:58 <yajinni> ah found master mode. its in the preferences of Internalz
Aug 28 14:35:25 <Abyssul-TP_> NuttyBunny: true but i was wondering when that HP Software Manager plugin option would be used
Aug 28 14:35:59 <cryptk> http://cryptkcoding.com/whatdowehavehere.jpg
Aug 28 14:36:40 <Tanuki> openwrt; kgo
Aug 28 14:36:43 <Tanuki> :D
Aug 28 14:39:33 <Tanuki> itsa dragoon
Aug 28 14:39:43 <dragoon> indeed
Aug 28 14:39:54 <dragoon> need to add freenode to my bouncer ;)
Aug 28 14:46:00 <siestacatPC> no visualboy advance for tp?
Aug 28 14:46:25 <siestacatPC> :0
Aug 28 14:46:41 <LarrySteeze> siestacat: welcome back to the easier to type world :P
Aug 28 14:46:52 <siestacatPC> Hey thanks lol
Aug 28 14:47:01 <siestacatPC> Yeah I have physical keys!
Aug 28 14:47:17 <LarrySteeze> I will too once I receive my bluetooth keyboard
Aug 28 14:47:26 <LarrySteeze> I got it for $15 o.o
Aug 28 14:48:12 <siestacatPC> were?
Aug 28 14:48:13 <siestacatPC> where*
Aug 28 14:48:17 <rrix> siestacatPC: vba still needs some issues resolved
Aug 28 14:49:01 <rrix> breakfast time
Aug 28 14:49:25 <LarrySteeze> best buy with a coupon code
Aug 28 14:51:11 <LarrySteeze> alright, so even when streaming netflix via html5 instead of silverlight, it won't work because of the drm -_-
Aug 28 14:51:53 <Abyssul-TP_> They have html5?
Aug 28 14:52:13 <LarrySteeze> wow...windy!
Aug 28 14:52:15 <bpadalino> damn you drm!
Aug 28 14:52:54 <LarrySteeze> holy cow
Aug 28 14:53:03 <LarrySteeze> maybe I shouldn't be disappointed with this hurricane
Aug 28 14:53:19 <Abyssul-TP_> It was pathetic. SC here.
Aug 28 14:53:26 <LarrySteeze> a small tree is leaning on the next building over
Aug 28 14:53:37 <LarrySteeze> and it hasn't quite hit us yet
Aug 28 14:54:06 <Abyssul-TP_> Slow moving storm...
Aug 28 14:54:11 <Dr_Drache> howdy ho
Aug 28 14:54:24 <Dr_Drache> I have a question about kernel testing feed.
Aug 28 14:54:45 <LarrySteeze> so...there's a plugin coming out from the chromium team
Aug 28 14:54:49 <LarrySteeze> for netlix drm
Aug 28 14:55:04 <LarrySteeze> we may be able to use that, it's open source work
Aug 28 14:55:09 <Dr_Drache> as in, i don't see both F15B/F15C kernels
Aug 28 14:55:21 <siestacatPC> LarrySteeze : is it available?
Aug 28 14:55:22 <Dr_Drache> ONLY F15c
Aug 28 14:55:25 <siestacatPC> I couldn't find it
Aug 28 14:55:28 <LarrySteeze> I don'tt think it is yet
Aug 28 14:55:59 <LarrySteeze> I take it back
Aug 28 14:56:17 <LarrySteeze> I'll link it in a moment
Aug 28 14:57:23 <Abyssul-TP_> F15b isnt in the feeds
Aug 28 14:57:41 <Abyssul-TP_> F15c is superior
Aug 28 14:58:10 <Dr_Drache> I have never found cfq superior to bfq
Aug 28 14:58:25 <Dr_Drache> at least on anything with multicore
Aug 28 14:58:33 <NuttyBunny> Any one has found the way to fix the TouchPad losing audio issue??
Aug 28 14:58:40 <Abyssul-TP_> I dont make the kernels or kernels. Dont ask me
Aug 28 14:58:41 <LarrySteeze> siestacatPC: I'm trying to find it...it should be in one of the repos here: http://codereview.chromium.org/6902001
Aug 28 14:58:57 <Abyssul-TP_> BFQ is on the UK kernel
Aug 28 14:59:07 <Dr_Drache> can i get a link to the ipk?
Aug 28 14:59:24 <Abyssul-TP_> NuttyBunny: only to call Skype echo when it happens
Aug 28 14:59:25 <Dr_Drache> or? how to change my feed?
Aug 28 14:59:36 <Abyssul-TP_> Which ipk?
Aug 28 14:59:42 <Dr_Drache> bgq
Aug 28 14:59:47 <Dr_Drache> vfq even
Aug 28 14:59:49 <Dr_Drache> errr
Aug 28 14:59:50 <Dr_Drache> bfq
Aug 28 14:59:57 <Dr_Drache> wow, that typing job rocks.
Aug 28 15:00:06 <NuttyBunny> Abyssul-TP_: does it fix even the system sounds? Because if I kill audiod and pulseaudio, I can have app sounds, but no system sounds until I reboot
Aug 28 15:00:24 <Abyssul-TP_> Just download the UK kernel and change the settings from Govnah
Aug 28 15:00:30 * NuttyBunny will try using the stock kernel for the day
Aug 28 15:00:33 <Dr_Drache> ohh....
Aug 28 15:00:36 <Dr_Drache> UK
Aug 28 15:00:46 <Abyssul-TP_> NuttyBunny im not sure. I habnt had it happen lAtely
Aug 28 15:01:05 <Dr_Drache> i thought that the F15 kernels outperformed UK
Aug 28 15:01:39 <Abyssul-TP_> Bfq is also on F15c
Aug 28 15:02:03 <Dr_Drache> does not show up in govnah for me
Aug 28 15:02:19 <Abyssul-TP_> F15 are dxperimental so they can be better or wodse depending on many factods. They are also more unstable
Aug 28 15:02:41 <Dr_Drache> stabilty isn't a 100% factor for me
Aug 28 15:03:22 <Abyssul-TP_> Download f15c then
Aug 28 15:03:44 <Dr_Drache> hmmm
Aug 28 15:03:53 <Dr_Drache> anyone try to patch in BFS?
Aug 28 15:04:09 <Dr_Drache> i've been running f15c for a week or so
Aug 28 15:04:12 <Abyssul-TP_> Cant patch it in
Aug 28 15:04:54 <Dr_Drache> no source?
Aug 28 15:05:39 <Dr_Drache> well, thanks for the time.
Aug 28 15:06:41 <Abyssul-TP_> Talk to UnixPsycho about BFS support
Aug 28 15:07:04 <uNiXpSyChO> BFS patches in fine
Aug 28 15:07:18 <uNiXpSyChO> but there are scheduling conflicts which causes random panics
Aug 28 15:07:27 <Abyssul-TP_> Omg....i found out how to autocomplete namez in wIRC n
Aug 28 15:07:27 <Dr_Drache> uNiXpSyChO, ahhh.
Aug 28 15:07:29 <uNiXpSyChO> and i'm too lazy to fix it.
Aug 28 15:07:32 <Abyssul-TP_> On the tp*
Aug 28 15:08:03 <Abyssul-TP_> Theres a tab button on the keyboard o.O
Aug 28 15:08:11 <Dr_Drache> uNiXpSyChO, that's fair, no one but the devs themselves should control the agenda
Aug 28 15:08:51 <uNiXpSyChO> well, everyone is hellbent on making the TP run anything else but webOS :-)
Aug 28 15:09:15 <Abyssul-TP_> Blastphemy...
Aug 28 15:09:20 <uNiXpSyChO> hehe
Aug 28 15:09:32 <Abyssul-TP_> Heretics
Aug 28 15:09:33 <Dr_Drache> uNiXpSyChO, that's cause "us" android devs like our OS.
Aug 28 15:10:19 <NuttyBunny> Dr_Drache: There are plenty of Android tablets out there
Aug 28 15:10:27 <uNiXpSyChO> i wouldnt want to run  Android on my TP, i want Fedora
Aug 28 15:10:30 <LarrySteeze> uNiXpSyChO: can't be helped
Aug 28 15:10:34 <Abyssul-TP_> I enjoy reading the comments of "I wanted Android ported over but now that i experienced webOS why even bother"
Aug 28 15:10:34 <Dr_Drache> and find, in alot of cases it is suprior to webOS
Aug 28 15:10:51 <NuttyBunny> Abyssul-TP_, +1  :D
Aug 28 15:10:55 <LarrySteeze> uNiXpSyChO: You want native fedora or chroot?
Aug 28 15:10:56 <Dr_Drache> there is alot in webOS that i find lacking.
Aug 28 15:11:35 <uNiXpSyChO> LarrySteeze: I want native Fedora.  i know I can probably do it, but again, too lazy. :-(
Aug 28 15:11:43 <Dr_Drache> fedora?
Aug 28 15:11:51 <Dr_Drache> rmp based crapfest? :P
Aug 28 15:11:51 <LarrySteeze> but would you really use it natively?
Aug 28 15:12:06 <LarrySteeze> Dr_Drache: I like fedora...just not on a tablet
Aug 28 15:12:10 <NuttyBunny> Dr_Drache: apart from apps, what is lacking in webOS?
Aug 28 15:12:24 <Dr_Drache> NuttyBunny, apps :P
Aug 28 15:12:36 <NuttyBunny> Dr_Drache: apart from apps?
Aug 28 15:12:38 <Abyssul-TP_> I want a more flexible ubuntu chroot with Unity UI
Aug 28 15:12:55 <NuttyBunny> we're talking webOS vs Android, not the apps :)
Aug 28 15:13:00 <LarrySteeze> Abyssul-TP: we're working on that...one step at a time.
Aug 28 15:13:08 <uNiXpSyChO> ahhh.  i see i'm surrounded by brainwashed Ubuntu users
Aug 28 15:13:16 <Abyssul-TP_> On Unity UI?
Aug 28 15:13:24 <Dr_Drache> uNiXpSyChO, i do NOT use N00buntu
Aug 28 15:13:29 <uNiXpSyChO> oh, good
Aug 28 15:13:41 <Dr_Drache> NuttyBunny, apps are part of the system experence
Aug 28 15:13:45 <LarrySteeze> Abyssul-TP: I don't know about the Unity UI, but the netbook remix is at least *working*
Aug 28 15:13:55 <uNiXpSyChO> i just want real Linux on my TP, not some fragmented java launcher like Android.
Aug 28 15:13:58 <Dr_Drache> without apps, the OS dies.
Aug 28 15:14:06 * Abyssul-TP_ goes and cry in a corner because all i useis Ubuntu
Aug 28 15:14:19 <Dr_Drache> uNiXpSyChO, fragmented?
Aug 28 15:14:20 <Abyssul-TP_> LarrySteze: same thing
Aug 28 15:14:37 <LarrySteeze> Dr_Drache: this is true, but do you think people will develop for the OS if everyone turns their touchpad to an android tablet?
Aug 28 15:14:55 <LarrySteeze> hence the "other than the apps" argument
Aug 28 15:15:13 <Dr_Drache> LarrySteeze, nope, cause there is not enough "pull" to keep it webOS for 90% of people
Aug 28 15:15:21 <Abyssul-TP_> We are getting an influx of Android devs in this IRc :-P
Aug 28 15:15:52 <NuttyBunny> Abyssul-TP_, at least this isn't as congested as #touchpad
Aug 28 15:16:03 <Dr_Drache> just becuase i'm an android dev doesn't mean that i'm close minded.
Aug 28 15:16:08 <Abyssul-TP_> Only people putting Android on their TPs are highly technological inclined people
Aug 28 15:16:10 <uNiXpSyChO> Have anyone actually looked at how android boots and is laid out?  not pretty
Aug 28 15:16:24 <Abyssul-TP_> Is #touchpad bad?
Aug 28 15:16:25 <uNiXpSyChO> Google bought it that way so I dont blame them
Aug 28 15:16:42 <Dr_Drache> uNiXpSyChO, not much worse than fedora.
Aug 28 15:16:59 <Dr_Drache> :P
Aug 28 15:17:20 <Dr_Drache> i would have added the chroot, but it's buntu.... eww
Aug 28 15:17:27 <uNiXpSyChO> well, almost all distros have went to a bloated structure.  n00buntu does too
Aug 28 15:17:34 <Abyssul-TP_> Theres debian
Aug 28 15:17:40 <LarrySteeze> dr_Drache: there's a debian chroot too
Aug 28 15:17:44 <LarrySteeze> eh...ninja
Aug 28 15:17:59 <Dr_Drache> the same to be.
Aug 28 15:18:09 <Dr_Drache> debian is a badly updated butnu
Aug 28 15:18:22 <LarrySteeze> you prefer rh based distros?
Aug 28 15:18:27 <Dr_Drache> nope
Aug 28 15:18:32 <Dr_Drache> rpm is worse.
Aug 28 15:18:40 <Dr_Drache> i use arch
Aug 28 15:18:46 * uNiXpSyChO falls on floor in convulsions
Aug 28 15:18:50 <LarrySteeze> ah...i thought you said fedora
Aug 28 15:19:11 <Abyssul-TP_> Lol
Aug 28 15:19:13 <Dr_Drache> yea for me, govnah can't apply a thing.
Aug 28 15:19:30 <Abyssul-TP_> Explain Dr_Drache
Aug 28 15:19:34 <LarrySteeze> you're having govnah issues?
Aug 28 15:19:40 <Dr_Drache> just did
Aug 28 15:20:09 <Dr_Drache> "unable to open /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor"
Aug 28 15:20:16 <Abyssul-TP_> "my computer wont boot" well... Thats pretty ambiguous.
Aug 28 15:21:13 <LarrySteeze> which kernel are you running?
Aug 28 15:21:14 <uNiXpSyChO> Govnah is br0k3n
Aug 28 15:21:42 <LarrySteeze> eh? I just installed govnah on my wife's TP...it shouldn't be broken
Aug 28 15:21:43 * NuttyBunny greets dtzWill .. Thanks for RANDR, does it (manually at least) rotate the display yet? :)
Aug 28 15:21:56 <uNiXpSyChO> it def is broken.
Aug 28 15:22:04 * uNiXpSyChO doesnt blame oil this time
Aug 28 15:22:19 <LarrySteeze> though I didn't put the testing feed version on it
Aug 28 15:22:30 <LarrySteeze> *shrug* it's working on hers
Aug 28 15:23:05 <Abyssul-TP_> Dr_Drache: You can ignore that. My advice is to go back to the default kernel and then install the UberKernel if you want to overclock. UberKernel is very stable. You're unlikely to run into any problems with it.
Aug 28 15:23:07 <uNiXpSyChO> you're lucky.  when powerd process in webOS goes to offline that CPU, then you'll get that error
Aug 28 15:23:29 <uNiXpSyChO> *ALL* kernels has this problem.  please GTF over it
Aug 28 15:24:05 <Abyssul-TP_> Powerd sucks on Pre2 kernel
Aug 28 15:24:13 <uNiXpSyChO> and it's not even a kernel problem
Aug 28 15:24:20 <uNiXpSyChO> the stock kernel is borken too then
Aug 28 15:25:22 <Dr_Drache> uNiXpSyChO, what?
Aug 28 15:25:23 <uNiXpSyChO> last time i looked, the stock kernel went to 0MHz too and doent come back on.
Aug 28 15:25:47 <Dr_Drache> so...where is the problem?
Aug 28 15:25:49 * uNiXpSyChO is sick and tired of people blaming my kernel on something they have no clue about what is really happening.
Aug 28 15:25:55 <uNiXpSyChO> i just said above
Aug 28 15:26:13 <Dr_Drache> Abyssul-TP_, it has NOTHING to do with the overclocking
Aug 28 15:26:22 <Dr_Drache> i was switching governes
Aug 28 15:26:56 <Dr_Drache> so, govnah is the issue? or powerD?
Aug 28 15:27:33 * Abyssul-TP_ flails arms wildly at uNiXpSyChO 
Aug 28 15:27:51 <uNiXpSyChO> both.  powerd is shutting off the cpu and back on when it thinks it's needed.  Govnah is trying to set a cpu that is offline. Govnah should be using the new way of setting cpu settings, not the deprecated way.
Aug 28 15:28:24 <Dr_Drache> hmmm
Aug 28 15:28:26 <Abyssul-TP_> Soooo tell rwhitby that?
Aug 28 15:28:41 <Dr_Drache> is there something other to use than govnah?
Aug 28 15:28:57 <uNiXpSyChO> everyone is blaming me, so no complaints go to them
Aug 28 15:28:59 <Abyssul-TP_> Terminal?
Aug 28 15:29:45 <uNiXpSyChO> there is nothing really wrong if you just let things run as they should.  set your govenor and settings and ignore the errors.  webOS runs as it should.
Aug 28 15:30:27 <Dr_Drache> uNiXpSyChO, thanks, that's the direction i was going in anyway.
Aug 28 15:30:47 <uNiXpSyChO> my new F4 kernel, i purpose hack /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuX/online to do absolutely nothing.  so both CPUs stay online and powerd cant shut it off from userspace.
Aug 28 15:31:16 <Dr_Drache> ohhh
Aug 28 15:31:21 <Dr_Drache> sounds all kind of awsome
Aug 28 15:31:30 <Abyssul-TP_> The experimental experimental feed :-P
Aug 28 15:31:53 <Dr_Drache> yea
Aug 28 15:31:57 <Dr_Drache> prob
Aug 28 15:32:12 <Dr_Drache> which, i can't seem to find *wink wink*
Aug 28 15:32:39 <uNiXpSyChO> not out yet.  i run it for a while to make sure it doesnt have problems
Aug 28 15:32:48 <pipposanta> hi to all!
Aug 28 15:33:55 * uNiXpSyChO waits for a tree to fall on his house
Aug 28 15:34:39 <Dr_Drache> uNiXpSyChO, well, it will appear on the testing feed when you decide it's ready?
Aug 28 15:35:49 <Abyssul-TP_> Dr_Drache:  most likely
Aug 28 15:36:07 <Dr_Drache> Abyssul-TP_, good thing you changed your name to uNiXpSyChO... oh wait.
Aug 28 15:36:25 <uNiXpSyChO> lol
Aug 28 15:36:53 <Abyssul-TP_> Welllll i do hang out here a lot have been with webos since the beginning ;-)
Aug 28 15:37:04 <uNiXpSyChO> i might push it soon.  before i lose power and a tree takes me out.
Aug 28 15:37:27 <Dr_Drache> wellllllllll, i like the devs responses, otherwise i wouldn't have asked him directly :P
Aug 28 15:37:33 <LarrySteeze> uNiXpSyChO: I think you already told me but...where are you again?
Aug 28 15:37:40 <LarrySteeze> oh yeah
Aug 28 15:37:40 <uNiXpSyChO> Boston
Aug 28 15:37:43 <LarrySteeze> boston suburbs
Aug 28 15:37:51 <LarrySteeze> close to me >.<
Aug 28 15:38:03 <uNiXpSyChO> my basement is a swimming pool right now
Aug 28 15:38:15 <Abyssul-TP_> Within stalking distance for sure
Aug 28 15:38:16 <LarrySteeze> really?
Aug 28 15:38:27 <LarrySteeze> I should check in my wife's parents
Aug 28 15:38:52 <uNiXpSyChO> yep. damn rain.  hasnt stopped since yesterday
Aug 28 15:39:01 <LarrySteeze> our basement is fine
Aug 28 15:39:18 <LarrySteeze> but her parents live in brookline and has a tendancy to flood
Aug 28 15:39:18 <pipposanta> anyone knwos what's the first html page lunched when webos boots?
Aug 28 15:39:19 <uNiXpSyChO> i am somewhat downhill
Aug 28 15:40:52 <LarrySteeze> siestacat: are you still around?
Aug 28 15:41:53 <pipposanta> I mean.. if I want to mount the webos interface on a linux os... what files to I need to take from a webos filesystem and which is the first I need to launch?
Aug 28 15:41:58 <LarrySteeze> err...
Aug 28 15:42:11 <LarrySteeze> uberkernel just disappeared off my TP :P
Aug 28 15:42:24 <Abyssul-TP_> Magic...
Aug 28 15:42:25 <LarrySteeze> tried to move the icon to the settings page
Aug 28 15:42:28 <LarrySteeze> and poof, gone
Aug 28 15:43:09 <LarrySteeze> maybe a luna restart...
Aug 28 15:43:17 <Abyssul-TP_> You found the mysterious recycling bin in webOS
Aug 28 15:43:30 <LarrySteeze> lol
Aug 28 15:43:58 <Dr_Drache> so, is there a way to backup my entire TP? (all installs ect)
Aug 28 15:44:32 <Abyssul-TP_> Palm profile + save/restore is best
Aug 28 15:44:50 <LarrySteeze> if I go offline, I'm sorry guys
Aug 28 15:44:52 <Abyssul-TP_> Not an image but takes near all the work out of it
Aug 28 15:44:58 <LarrySteeze> another downed tree close to my place
Aug 28 15:45:16 <dwc-> palm proifle+save/restore doesn't get very much of the data
Aug 28 15:45:17 <Abyssul-TP_> You will be missed LarrySteze
Aug 28 15:45:35 <Abyssul-TP_> Depends what data you want to save dwc-
Aug 28 15:45:39 <LarrySteeze> though if it's simply a power outage, i'll try my hotspot
Aug 28 15:45:43 <dwc-> you can take an image dump if you really want one... novaterm+dd
Aug 28 15:45:52 <LarrySteeze> as long as the 4g networks are up, I'll be around
Aug 28 15:45:56 <LarrySteeze> till the battery dies
Aug 28 15:46:11 <uNiXpSyChO> i barely get 4G
Aug 28 15:46:14 <LarrySteeze> then I'll tether my phone :-|
Aug 28 15:46:27 <LarrySteeze> where in the boston area are you?
Aug 28 15:46:34 <LarrySteeze> i have great coverage in newtno
Aug 28 15:46:36 <LarrySteeze> *newton
Aug 28 15:46:51 <uNiXpSyChO> Scumerville
Aug 28 15:47:07 <LarrySteeze> you should have great coverage
Aug 28 15:47:10 <LarrySteeze> at least for wimax
Aug 28 15:47:17 <LarrySteeze> I don't know about lte
Aug 28 15:47:36 <uNiXpSyChO> yes, wimax is suspect depending on where you are.  If i travel into Cambridge it's solid.
Aug 28 15:47:45 <uNiXpSyChO> LTE seems pretty well covered
Aug 28 15:48:25 <uNiXpSyChO> there is like 1 4G tower in Woostah.  Sprint needs LTE ASAP
Aug 28 15:48:37 <Abyssul-TP_> Damn u. Lte and 4g hasnt even hit SC yet
Aug 28 15:48:42 <LarrySteeze> it's coming...but probably not for a while
Aug 28 15:48:54 <LarrySteeze> clearwire is apparently switching to lte
Aug 28 15:49:00 <uNiXpSyChO> I think Sprint is dumping Clearwire and moving to another LTE provider
Aug 28 15:49:09 <LarrySteeze> they aren't dumping clearwire
Aug 28 15:49:16 <uNiXpSyChO> according to some press annnoucement i read
Aug 28 15:49:21 <LarrySteeze> they are considering buying it outright
Aug 28 15:49:34 <Abyssul-TP_> Yeah i heard they were going to buy them
Aug 28 15:49:37 <uNiXpSyChO> oh?  i thought that was a rumor?  they owned them pretty much before
Aug 28 15:49:37 <LarrySteeze> but they're also investing in lightsquared
Aug 28 15:49:47 <uNiXpSyChO> yeah, lightsuared
Aug 28 15:49:48 <LarrySteeze> which is an LTE provider
Aug 28 15:50:06 <Abyssul-TP_> Sprint doesnt have a solid plan period.
Aug 28 15:50:21 <Guinness`> unless the government won't allow them to operate
Aug 28 15:50:57 <LarrySteeze> I think it's funny sprint is considering buying clearwire when just a couple years ago they sold all of their towers to a third party and just lease them now
Aug 28 15:51:07 <uNiXpSyChO> exactly
Aug 28 15:52:27 <Guinness> lightsquared's plan will "break" every current GPS receiver
Aug 28 15:52:28 <LarrySteeze|Away> I need to shower now that it's noon
Aug 28 15:52:44 <LarrySteeze|Away> and then spend some time with my wife...haven't spent any time with her all weekend
Aug 28 15:52:53 <uNiXpSyChO> score!
Aug 28 15:53:17 <LarrySteeze|Away> pray that lightning doesn't decide to start up around here and get me while I'm showering
Aug 28 15:53:26 <uNiXpSyChO> that would suck
Aug 28 15:53:49 <LarrySteeze|Away> though it looks like we're almost past irene
Aug 28 15:54:02 <LarrySteeze|Away> it was nothing compared to what they warned of
Aug 28 15:54:08 <Guinness> irene was all hype
Aug 28 15:54:12 <LarrySteeze|Away> a couple downed (small) trees
Aug 28 15:54:28 <Guinness> nothing at all happened in DC
Aug 28 15:54:32 <Guinness> except some rain
Aug 28 15:55:30 <dwc-> I thought clearwire was a sprint joint venture
Aug 28 15:56:29 <uNiXpSyChO> Sprint used to own alot of Clearwire...then had some fallen out.
Aug 28 16:09:14 <dtzWill> NuttyBunny: nope, just supports the extension and answers queries about the screen ("I support 1 reslutoin, here it is")
Aug 28 16:09:29 <dtzWill> mainly helps with making things work that need RANDR
Aug 28 16:12:26 <Crims0n> good afternoon
Aug 28 16:25:16 <dtzWill> NuttyBunny: so it didn't break things for you? :3
Aug 28 16:26:57 <NuttyBunny> dtzWill: Not really, but well, I haven't been trying a lot of things in X lately :)
Aug 28 16:27:48 <dtzWill> NuttyBunny: kk well someone earlier reported it no longer launches
Aug 28 16:27:59 <dtzWill> but if it does, and the keyboard mappings are set, then we're golden
Aug 28 16:28:28 <Abyssul-TP_> Anyone else use the same wallpaper for each webos device?
Aug 28 16:28:31 <dtzWill> (mappings test is 'does keyboard work at all' hehe)
Aug 28 16:28:56 <drobbins> does anyone have the ability to build up a custom uberkernel with nfs and ATA over Ethernet support?
Aug 28 16:29:00 <drobbins> could make my life a lot easier.
Aug 28 16:29:23 <NuttyBunny> dtzWill: I'm in lxde right now, but is still complains about "Requested key 'Escape' does not exist on the display, and of course, if I use xvkbd crashes when tapping Esc :(
Aug 28 16:29:43 <dtzWill> drobbins: X still doesn't work for you? (are you on 0.8.1?)
Aug 28 16:29:51 <dtzWill> NuttyBunny: there's no "of course it crashes" :(
Aug 28 16:30:05 <dtzWill> and yes escape still has no mapping, i'll look into why xvkbd takes the server down with it o_O
Aug 28 16:30:21 <NuttyBunny> mmm... it doesn't here
Aug 28 16:30:44 <NuttyBunny> I run it from a rxvt window, it just dies, doesn't get the whole server down
Aug 28 16:30:57 <drobbins> dtzWill: yeah, but I now have my machine in "dev mode" so can't really do anything to troubleshoot
Aug 28 16:31:25 <dtzWill> drobbins: hehe kk. good luck :). if you get outta dev mode and things aren't peachy lmk and we'll see about fixing it :)
Aug 28 16:31:55 <dtzWill> NuttyBunny: kk
Aug 28 16:33:15 <drobbins> dtzWill: ok
Aug 28 16:33:24 <NuttyBunny> dtzWill: dies with: "X error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range of operation) - Majoe opcode of failed request: 123 (XTEST) - Minor opcode of failed request: 2(X_XTestFakeInput)
Aug 28 16:33:33 <drobbins> anyone have the ability to compile a custom uberkernel?
Aug 28 16:33:45 <drobbins> having nfs or ata over ethernet would be a great help
Aug 28 16:36:39 <NuttyBunny> heh, ctrl works! :)
Aug 28 16:38:28 <dtzWill> NuttyBunny: yep! and alt/arrow keys :)
Aug 28 16:38:55 <technikfreak> hey NuttyBunny could you ahve a eta in clue when the synergy icq plugins ect working also for the tp?
Aug 28 16:39:33 <technikfreak> but the pre req is that you get one to mexico right>
Aug 28 16:40:59 <uNiXpSyChO> drobbins: kernels in testing feed will do NFS
Aug 28 16:41:49 <siestacat> NuttyBunny : Success, it has been removed from Fuzzypalm
Aug 28 16:42:05 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: which kernel?
Aug 28 16:42:22 <NuttyBunny> technikfreak, a couple of weeks at least, sorry :(
Aug 28 16:42:32 <uNiXpSyChO> F15C does NFS and CIFS.  F4 (coming soon) will do ATA o/ ethernet
Aug 28 16:42:33 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: because I have uberkernel installed and no nfs in /proc/filesystems, and no nfs modules
Aug 28 16:42:52 <NuttyBunny> technikfreak: the prereq is that I finish my other apps :)
Aug 28 16:43:00 <NuttyBunny> siestacat: cool! :D
Aug 28 16:43:02 <technikfreak> ok
Aug 28 16:43:04 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: so I can install F15C and it will replace uberkernel?
Aug 28 16:43:17 <siestacat> NuttyBunny : Yeah, no moar pirates of preware documentation
Aug 28 16:43:23 <technikfreak> yeha and you ahve also a normal business life i think
Aug 28 16:43:31 <uNiXpSyChO> uninstall Uberkernel 1st, then install F15.
Aug 28 16:43:46 <NuttyBunny> dtzWill: Excellent!... but, is there a way to emulate right click or middle click?
Aug 28 16:44:31 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: ok
Aug 28 16:44:46 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: is F15 your thing?
Aug 28 16:44:55 <uNiXpSyChO> drobbins; yes
Aug 28 16:45:05 <drobbins> cool
Aug 28 16:45:09 <drobbins> yeah, I am going to need nfs.
Aug 28 16:45:13 <drobbins> time to get out of dev mode.
Aug 28 16:45:29 <drobbins> ata over ethernet would be super-awesome.
Aug 28 16:45:35 <dtzWill> NuttyBunny: nope, although some people are using some gtk lxde thing to get long tap to be right click
Aug 28 16:48:07 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: do I need a reboot between uberkernel uninstall and f15 install (yes, I'm impatient)
Aug 28 16:48:14 <uNiXpSyChO> nope
Aug 28 16:48:16 <drobbins> ok
Aug 28 16:48:25 <drobbins> just a reboot after of course
Aug 28 16:49:45 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: ok, I don't see F15
Aug 28 16:49:57 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: I have the testing feed enabled... is there another testing feed?
Aug 28 16:50:00 <uNiXpSyChO> you need to config the testing feeds
Aug 28 16:50:09 <uNiXpSyChO> the kernels testing feed
Aug 28 16:50:13 <drobbins> ok one sec
Aug 28 16:51:36 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: are the instructions for adding the kernel feed really weird?
Aug 28 16:52:05 <drobbins> I guess this is a precautionary measure?
Aug 28 16:52:11 <NuttyBunny> exactly
Aug 28 16:52:41 <uNiXpSyChO> Standard Disclaimer applies: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/3.0.2/
Aug 28 16:53:05 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: anything naughty with F15 that I should know about, or should it work like uberkernel?
Aug 28 16:53:51 <uNiXpSyChO> well, it changes more often, UK doesnt have stuff that bleeds.  but it runs ok for most.  until you enable something that is experimental.
Aug 28 16:57:11 <drobbins> so I thought that turning off tcp ecn sped up touchpad ssh
Aug 28 16:57:15 <drobbins> but it was slow again
Aug 28 16:57:34 <drobbins> I am thinking that it is doing some power-saving thing like turing off the wifi radio or something.
Aug 28 16:57:55 <drobbins> F15C is go
Aug 28 16:58:21 <drobbins> this is a really awesome group, btw.
Aug 28 16:58:30 <drobbins> oh, my touchpad looks geeky now
Aug 28 16:58:58 <drobbins> ah, it ungeekified
Aug 28 17:00:19 <uNiXpSyChO> drobbins: yes.  power saving slows it down.
Aug 28 17:00:26 <uNiXpSyChO> ssh that is
Aug 28 17:00:41 <drobbins> I seem to have lost a core with F15C
Aug 28 17:01:19 <drobbins> yeah, my second core is continually at 0 MHz
Aug 28 17:01:25 <drobbins> is that an issue with govnah or the kernel?
Aug 28 17:01:38 <uNiXpSyChO> no problem with kernel
Aug 28 17:02:03 <NuttyBunny> dtzWill: argh, it doesn't let me invert right and left mouse buttons (I assume the right one "doesn't exist" for it) :(
Aug 28 17:02:45 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: no core 2
Aug 28 17:03:05 * uNiXpSyChO beats his head against wall
Aug 28 17:03:22 <uNiXpSyChO> the core is being used, you just cant see it coming online then off
Aug 28 17:03:23 <NuttyBunny> Hey Adora!!!
Aug 28 17:03:39 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: so known issue with govnah?
Aug 28 17:03:49 <NuttyBunny> Adora: could you pleeeeeeease reject my app so I can update it?? :)
Aug 28 17:04:05 <uNiXpSyChO> not a problem with govnah, a "feature: of webOS power saving
Aug 28 17:04:21 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: I see nfs - cool
Aug 28 17:04:45 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: with UC I saw the 2nd core in govnah though.
Aug 28 17:05:28 <uNiXpSyChO> i'm not going to explain this over and over to everyone, it's not the kernel shutting off the 2nd core.
Aug 28 17:05:44 <drobbins> ok
Aug 28 17:05:55 <dwc-> maybe you should put that in the readme
Aug 28 17:06:08 <uNiXpSyChO> most people wont understand :-(
Aug 28 17:06:43 <drobbins> from waht I can tell, the core is offline.
Aug 28 17:06:52 <dwc-> yea, but hten you can say "read the fucking desc!"
Aug 28 17:06:52 <drobbins> or webos is setting it as offline
Aug 28 17:07:47 <drobbins> it's not behaving like a conventional dual-core CPU under linux, anyway, so it's something notable to want to understand.
Aug 28 17:08:04 <drobbins> bbiab
Aug 28 17:08:14 <hk135> what does teh boot.bin file in /boot do?
Aug 28 17:08:31 <dtzWill> NuttyBunny: i have no idea, not sure what you're trying to do.
Aug 28 17:08:33 <uNiXpSyChO> dwc-: lol.
Aug 28 17:11:25 <hk135> does anyone know how I can get my tp to boot from a different lvm partition?
Aug 28 17:13:03 <dtzWill> hk135: easily? no. but the general idea is same as on other linux platforms--setup an initrd that intializes lvm, mounts your desired partition(s), and pivots to it
Aug 28 17:13:23 <dtzWill> as how to do this minimally using existing boot process, i don't know O:). but what i said should work
Aug 28 17:13:43 <hk135> dtzWill: nice, my next question is...
Aug 28 17:14:01 <hk135> I have the f15c kernel, but cant seem to get it in a useable form out of the uIamge
Aug 28 17:14:38 <uNiXpSyChO> huh?
Aug 28 17:14:49 * dtzWill 'huh's too
Aug 28 17:15:38 <hk135> okay, so im usign a script called extract_uImage that i found andit seems to return a zImage file, but when I then add that back into a uImage, on its own, it doesnt boot
Aug 28 17:15:45 <dtzWill> hk135: looks like you'll wanna edit what's mounted to 'realroot' to be your lvm partiton instea of /dev/mapper/store-root
Aug 28 17:16:03 <dtzWill> hk135: offhand, I don't nkow the best way to package that up to update the initrd--others here would probably know.
Aug 28 17:16:44 <dtzWill> (in /boot/sbin/init)
Aug 28 17:16:58 <dtzWill> or maybe there's no initrd at all, does it just mount /boot and go from there?
Aug 28 17:17:41 <hk135> dtzWill: nice, thank
Aug 28 17:17:52 <dtzWill> hk135: whatcha up to, anyway?
Aug 28 17:18:13 <hk135> dtzWill: ulimate goal is to get ubuntu onto my tp
Aug 28 17:18:21 <hk135> without brickin my tp
Aug 28 17:18:22 <dtzWill> hk135: also, i've absolutely never tried any of this, so normal precautions/disclaimers apply here.
Aug 28 17:18:46 <hk135> dtzWill: yeah def, tryingot work out how to do this without havingto reflash eveytimei make a typo!
Aug 28 17:19:07 <hk135> previous line would have been 3 refalshes!
Aug 28 17:19:53 <LarrySteeze|Away> hk135: does it have to run natively?
Aug 28 17:20:07 <LarrySteeze|Away> hk135: we have it running on chroot
Aug 28 17:20:10 <hk135> yeah, i got the chroot running fine
Aug 28 17:20:28 <hk135> looking for a bit more speed
Aug 28 17:20:29 <uNiXpSyChO> LarrySteeze|Away: arent you suppose to be away?
Aug 28 17:20:34 <uNiXpSyChO> ;-)
Aug 28 17:20:39 <LarrySteeze|Away> yes
Aug 28 17:20:43 <LarrySteeze|Away> my wife got up for a moment
Aug 28 17:20:47 <LarrySteeze|Away> I snuck back to the computer
Aug 28 17:20:48 <uNiXpSyChO> lol
Aug 28 17:20:52 <LarrySteeze|Away> I'm an addict
Aug 28 17:21:08 <LarrySteeze|Away> what can i say
Aug 28 17:21:13 <uNiXpSyChO> hehe
Aug 28 17:21:18 <hk135> yeah man, wife habits can get serious
Aug 28 17:21:18 <LarrySteeze|Away> it looks like irene is over for us though, for what it's worth
Aug 28 17:21:32 <uNiXpSyChO> yeah, stopped raining
Aug 28 17:22:00 <LarrySteeze|Away> now just have to wait for them to take the two trees off the road so I can drive somewhere
Aug 28 17:22:13 <LarrySteeze|Away> ah
Aug 28 17:22:23 <LarrySteeze|Away> apparently she got up to make me lunch...I should go
Aug 28 17:22:28 <uNiXpSyChO> lol
Aug 28 17:22:30 <LarrySteeze|Away> adios!
Aug 28 17:22:34 <uNiXpSyChO> cheers
Aug 28 17:26:29 <technikfreak> hey if i talk via skype could i use headset
Aug 28 17:26:37 <technikfreak> or is it working just with bt
Aug 28 17:28:55 <frustrated> hello?
Aug 28 17:29:12 <dtzWill> frustrated: hi! :)
Aug 28 17:29:48 <frustrated> hi! Not sure if this is the best place to ask
Aug 28 17:30:15 <frustrated> but, trying to install ubuntu on touchpad
Aug 28 17:30:18 <dtzWill> frustrated: just ask, we'll tell you if not.
Aug 28 17:31:15 <dtzWill> frustrated: your nick is giving your ubuntu installation tale quite the foreshadowing.
Aug 28 17:31:47 <RavenII> So with Ubuntu in the picture...isn't it possible to use WIne?
Aug 28 17:31:52 <frustrated> have created partition just fine, preware installed, but continues to error out on chroot install tried ubuntu and deb
Aug 28 17:32:11 <dtzWill> RavenII: nope, wine is not an emulator ;)
Aug 28 17:32:16 <RavenII> frustrated: how did you create the partition?
Aug 28 17:32:28 <dtzWill> RavenII: and presumably you were hoping to run x86 windows binaries :)
Aug 28 17:32:42 <frustrated> meta dr
Aug 28 17:32:43 <RavenII> dtzWill: Packet Tacer specifically...
Aug 28 17:32:44 <RavenII> nothing else
Aug 28 17:32:45 <RavenII> ..haha
Aug 28 17:32:45 <dtzWill> frustrated: did you edit your fstab and mount the newly created partition?
Aug 28 17:32:56 <RavenII> frustrated: what ^ said.
Aug 28 17:33:21 <RavenII> frustrated: on the tablet (or using novacom)....do a df -h
Aug 28 17:33:25 <dtzWill> RavenII: and there's no linux equiv? Sounds like the kind of software that there would be :)
Aug 28 17:33:25 <frustrated> yup, and can see it in df... I have
Aug 28 17:33:35 <RavenII> Hmmm....
Aug 28 17:33:49 <RavenII> dtzWill: Haven't really tried to find an alternative to be honest....
Aug 28 17:34:02 <dtzWill> RavenII: what's it do?
Aug 28 17:34:02 <RavenII> frustrated: ok, so EXT3 is created and mounted...
Aug 28 17:34:15 <frustrated> I have xterm installed, but each time I go about 40 megs into the chroot it stops
Aug 28 17:34:18 <RavenII> dtzWill: you can build networks and trouble shoot....
Aug 28 17:34:35 <RavenII> it's a  great tool if you're studying for CCNA
Aug 28 17:34:58 <RavenII> frustrated: forgive my ignorance...but what do you mean 40mb into?
Aug 28 17:35:01 <RavenII> downloading it?
Aug 28 17:35:47 <frustrated> yeah, and it says check Kong logs which aren't helpful lol
Aug 28 17:35:54 <frustrated> ipkg
Aug 28 17:36:16 <RavenII> I like Kong better than ipkg
Aug 28 17:36:35 <RavenII> Hmm....downloading it shouldn't give you a headache...
Aug 28 17:36:40 <frustrated> lol auto correct is killing me
Aug 28 17:36:54 <RavenII> latest preware/webosqi?
Aug 28 17:37:16 <RavenII> Try downloading the ipkg manually and sideloading it....
Aug 28 17:37:19 <frustrated> I know :'( hmm I did update preware,
Aug 28 17:37:42 <dtzWill> well ou can download it by hand ( http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.ubuntu-natty-chroot_11.04-3_arm.ipk is latest armv7 i believe)
Aug 28 17:37:48 <RavenII> right.
Aug 28 17:37:50 <dtzWill> frustrated: ^^^ download that to your device and then point preware at it.
Aug 28 17:37:50 <RavenII> that's what I meant
Aug 28 17:38:04 <dtzWill> RavenII: oh haha sorry was looking up URL while you were talking
Aug 28 17:38:05 <frustrated> ok, not sure how to sideload once I do but great!
Aug 28 17:38:06 <dtzWill> what RavenII said ^.^
Aug 28 17:38:16 <RavenII> quite alright...same goal...
Aug 28 17:38:20 <dtzWill> frustrated: in preware, open menu -> install package, and point it to the ipk
Aug 28 17:39:45 <RavenII> technology is so awesome...I'm literally on the pooper trying to help someone that's God knows where in the world....meanwhile, back in the day, you'd have to send a carrier pigeon.
Aug 28 17:39:48 <frustrated> lol not sure how to save as on here... Keeps opening on plane text
Aug 28 17:40:01 <frustrated> ok gimme a bit, I'll be back
Aug 28 17:41:37 <gandhijee_> hey, how do i use novaterm with ssh/scp??
Aug 28 17:41:54 <RavenII> gandhijee_: ?...what do you mean....
Aug 28 17:43:25 <dtzWill> RavenII: carrier pidgeons to relay support/troubleshooting help for ubuntu chroot installation on a tablet using a hacked x server? xD hahaha
Aug 28 17:44:06 <Crims0n> hmmmm we need a good ssh/telnet client... any candidates for cross compiling.
Aug 28 17:44:10 <Crims0n> ?
Aug 28 17:44:24 <dtzWill> Crims0n: xterm! ;)
Aug 28 17:45:12 <RavenII> dtzWill: ....touch?
Aug 28 17:45:19 <gandhijee_> RavenII: how do i get ssh on the unit to copy file and such to it
Aug 28 17:45:34 <gandhijee_> so i don't have to mount the touchpad as a usb device
Aug 28 17:45:42 <RavenII> Ohhhhh...sftp server
Aug 28 17:46:12 <RavenII> I don't think there's another way....
Aug 28 17:46:18 <RavenII> yeah, no....sftp server...
Aug 28 17:46:38 <RavenII> or, ssh...but you'd have to install it....
Aug 28 17:46:41 <RavenII> from preware
Aug 28 17:46:44 <RavenII> gandhijee_: ^
Aug 28 17:46:55 <gandhijee_> ah ok
Aug 28 17:47:01 <snowwhitie> Morning /afternoon all
Aug 28 17:47:54 <gandhijee_> thanks RavenII
Aug 28 17:48:01 <RavenII> np
Aug 28 17:48:42 <Crims0n> dtzWill doesn't xecutah more or less fulfill that?
Aug 28 17:48:46 <snowwhitie> HI, I just OC my Touchpad, thanks for the info last night....Is there a way I can see if it was successfull?
Aug 28 17:49:28 <snowwhitie> in Govnah, Profile = Unknown, cpu 1 freq and cpu 2 frez is bouching between 1.78mhz and 0
Aug 28 17:49:35 <Crims0n> looking for a good first WIDK project.
Aug 28 17:50:20 <dtzWill> Crims0n: yes, that's what i was suggesting.
Aug 28 17:50:21 <dtzWill> oh, i see.
Aug 28 17:51:24 <RavenII> WIDK?
Aug 28 17:52:55 <dtzWill> RavenII: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK
Aug 28 17:53:16 <jrabbit> wow its impossible to get some phones broadcasting wifi in infrastructure mode
Aug 28 17:53:25 <jrabbit> why the fuck did HP limit my device
Aug 28 17:54:44 <frustrated> about to try install, does ipk file need to be anywhere special? Also, any recommendations on the best window manager? I was leaning towards xfce for no particular reason...
Aug 28 17:55:17 <dtzWill> frustrated: xfce works, although i generally use lxde. ymmv/try them all/etc :)
Aug 28 17:55:54 <siestacat> dtzwill
Aug 28 17:56:00 <dtzWill> siestacat
Aug 28 17:56:10 <LarrySteeze|TP> dtzwill
Aug 28 17:56:10 <siestacat> plans to bring vboy to tp?
Aug 28 17:56:21 <dtzWill> siestacat: yes, but no time allocated for those plans yet >.<
Aug 28 17:56:26 <siestacat> ok
Aug 28 17:58:59 <jrabbit> Didn't Red Hat get a bunch of hate mail for dumping their kernel patches as a 40 mb patch last time this happened?
Aug 28 18:02:17 <Crims0n> so if sb2 is now maintained by Nokia, is it still recommended to use?
Aug 28 18:02:38 <RavenII> So, this enyo that everyone talks about....can it be downloaded?
Aug 28 18:03:49 <LarrySteeze|TP> Enyo is on your tp already
Aug 28 18:04:15 <LarrySteeze|TP> they switched from Mojo to Enyo
Aug 28 18:04:45 <RavenII> Oh...so I've got a shit ton to learn apparently....
Aug 28 18:04:49 <frustrated> as this installs, its saying 'installing to root' do I need to specifically direct to ext3 somehow?
Aug 28 18:05:21 <RavenII> Ummm....
Aug 28 18:05:25 <RavenII> I don't think so frustrated
Aug 28 18:06:14 <jrabbit> Hmmm, looks like HP's patches reference adhoc mode
Aug 28 18:06:25 <jrabbit> so I don't think its in the kernel where they broke it
Aug 28 18:07:34 <frustrated> ok, chroot is now in list of apps but doesn't show in xecutah
Aug 28 18:08:36 <jrabbit> Lol the atheros code is horrible
Aug 28 18:08:36 <frustrated> oops just had to restart xec my bad
Aug 28 18:10:06 <frustrated> awesome, you guys rock, thank you!
Aug 28 18:10:22 <llysoll> hello, are preware feeds down??
Aug 28 18:10:29 <frustrated> prob will be back with more qs
Aug 28 18:10:36 <directhex> note to self: type irc into pc keyboard, not tp keyboard
Aug 28 18:10:44 <jrabbit> ./kernel/net/wifi/sd8xxx.ko aw shit its proprietary
Aug 28 18:11:22 <directhex> anyway, i had a thought - why not offer a version of the debian chroot using --arch armhf from debian-ports. it should be faster, with the minor trade off of not running on pixi
Aug 28 18:11:26 <LarrySteeze|TP> just checked...prepare feeds are working just fine
Aug 28 18:11:51 <Crims0n>  same here, prepare feed good
Aug 28 18:12:02 <jrabbit> damn it HP why would you limit wifi connectivity.
Aug 28 18:12:02 <Crims0n> preware *
Aug 28 18:12:07 <jrabbit> that makes no sense
Aug 28 18:12:16 <Crims0n> damn autocorrect
Aug 28 18:12:16 <RavenII> Anyone know of any good tutorials on how to program for webos?
Aug 28 18:12:24 <RavenII> for beginners?
Aug 28 18:12:29 <llysoll> ackage Updates and Available packages greyed out
Aug 28 18:12:39 <Crims0n> pdk or official sdk?
Aug 28 18:13:23 <RavenII> Crims0n: .....patch or software?....sdk.
Aug 28 18:13:25 <Crims0n> llysoll just checked that too, not here
Aug 28 18:13:53 <LarrySteeze|TP> Lysol try updating feeds
Aug 28 18:13:54 <Crims0n> lol sorry meant widk or sdk
Aug 28 18:14:15 <llysoll> so whats wrong with mine? after i restored app data, my preware stopped working
Aug 28 18:14:50 <llysoll> tried updating feeds, same
Aug 28 18:15:01 <Crims0n> you may need to reinstall
Aug 28 18:15:18 <LarrySteeze|TP>  I'd try reinstalling as well
Aug 28 18:15:33 <llysoll> reinstalled same issue :/
Aug 28 18:16:04 <LarrySteeze|TP> odd
Aug 28 18:16:30 <Dr_Drache> uNiXpSyChO, thanks for pushing F4 kernel
Aug 28 18:16:42 <uNiXpSyChO> enjoy
Aug 28 18:17:10 <Dr_Drache> don't know when you did it, i've been away seince last we talked.
Aug 28 18:17:13 <LarrySteeze|TP> unixpsycho, your kernel broke govnah
Aug 28 18:17:15 <Dr_Drache> but cool and goo work
Aug 28 18:17:28 <jrabbit> the pdk docs are pretty bad
Aug 28 18:17:29 <LarrySteeze|TP> j/k ;-)
Aug 28 18:17:35 <uNiXpSyChO> wise ass ;-)
Aug 28 18:22:05 <green--> I wonder if any of you guys knows how to operate teh QHSUSB_DLOAD failure mode in the touchpad
Aug 28 18:34:22 <pezman726> only 2 linux desktop environments I've been able to run on pixi have been lxde and icewm.  any other suggestions
Aug 28 18:35:03 <pezman726> xfce was a no go
Aug 28 18:35:18 <pezman726> and kde plasma netbook
Aug 28 18:44:58 <directhex> openbox?
Aug 28 18:45:36 <dtzWill> pezman726: xfce doesn't work?
Aug 28 18:45:50 <dtzWill> strange--works on TP i thought...
Aug 28 18:46:32 <directhex> xfce is screwed up on my tp
Aug 28 18:46:35 <Dr_Drache> uNiXpSyChO, i want more kernel features!
Aug 28 18:46:39 <Dr_Drache> lol
Aug 28 18:46:42 <directhex> image is stretched in funny ways, and monochrome
Aug 28 18:46:50 <uNiXpSyChO> like
Aug 28 18:46:52 <dtzWill> directhex: we could/should offer such a version, and i/we'd encourage/help someone willing to do so
Aug 28 18:47:00 <Dr_Drache> undervolting!
Aug 28 18:47:01 <Dr_Drache> lol
Aug 28 18:47:05 <Dr_Drache> just messing with you.
Aug 28 18:47:18 <dtzWill> i believe debian was added not just b/c it's debian, but the guy who lead that wanted pixi support :).
Aug 28 18:47:26 <uNiXpSyChO> oh, i was about to say undervolting is possible.  Govnah just doesnt have it yet
Aug 28 18:47:27 <pezman726> dtzwill
Aug 28 18:47:34 <pezman726> not on my pixi
Aug 28 18:47:39 <Dr_Drache> just seems govnah logs are showing a bit more use
Aug 28 18:47:57 <Dr_Drache> uNiXpSyChO, possable? do you have information to send me to, for values and whatnot?
Aug 28 18:47:57 <dtzWill> pezman726: bummer. what happens, and you're running v0.8.1?
Aug 28 18:48:03 <dtzWill> (of x server)
Aug 28 18:48:06 <dtzWill> pushed..yesterday.
Aug 28 18:49:24 <uNiXpSyChO> Dr_Drache: not yet.  for some reason that module isnt loading
Aug 28 18:49:34 <pezman726> dtzwill depending on what I try to launch different errors
Aug 28 18:49:39 <pezman726> yeah
Aug 28 18:49:52 <Dr_Drache> uNiXpSyChO, that's fine, i didn't want a step by step, raw info works for me as well
Aug 28 18:50:06 <pezman726> wait....
Aug 28 18:50:12 <pezman726> maybe not..
Aug 28 18:50:44 <pezman726> no I didn't have new xserver
Aug 28 18:51:02 <dtzWill> pezman726: latest provides (basic) randr support, whih xfce needed to run iirc
Aug 28 18:51:08 <pezman726> 7.6
Aug 28 18:51:14 <pezman726> updating now
Aug 28 18:51:16 <dtzWill> pezman726: yeah, update :)
Aug 28 18:51:24 <pezman726> :)
Aug 28 18:51:49 <dtzWill> pezman726: also my pixi is dead so i can't test the armv6 binaries i post.   lmk if you have any issues (sorry!)
Aug 28 18:52:07 <pezman726> will do
Aug 28 18:52:44 <directhex> hm. lxterminal in an ubuntu chroot crashes xserver on my tp
Aug 28 18:53:06 <dtzWill> directhex: yep, always has. haven't sat down and debugged it yet.
Aug 28 18:53:19 <directhex> as long as it's not just me
Aug 28 18:53:25 <pezman726> I noticed there's also an update to debian.  including the stuff I was gonna test monday
Aug 28 18:53:29 <dtzWill> seems fixed in my other dev branch, but haven't isolated why.  however, hopefully that means I have traction to fix it moving forwar
Aug 28 18:53:35 <pezman726> use gnome-terminal
Aug 28 18:56:14 <rrix> Does LD_LIBRARY_PATH not work on webos or something? o.O
Aug 28 18:56:25 <dtzWill> rrix: definitely does. why?
Aug 28 18:57:13 <pezman726> xfce4-session complains about ICE authentication data
Aug 28 18:57:17 <rrix> dtzWill: Because I've been debugging why this lighthouse plugin isn't working, and my script which overrides LD_LIBRARY_PATH and calls my binary is loading /lib/libQt*
Aug 28 18:57:31 <rrix> even though the sonames are the same
Aug 28 18:57:50 <rrix> sorry, /usr/lib/libQt*
Aug 28 18:57:59 <rrix> instead of my libQt*
Aug 28 18:59:11 <rrix> wait, wait, now it is
Aug 28 18:59:21 <rrix> I <3 heisenbugs
Aug 28 19:01:41 <BrettQ_> I <3 Optware
Aug 28 19:02:53 <pezman726> I <3 lamp?
Aug 28 19:04:08 <BrettQ_> just got Optware working on my Nokia N950...so now I can switch between that and my Touchpad easier
Aug 28 19:08:14 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: anywhere I can see docs on the whole 2-core confusion thing?
Aug 28 19:08:29 <uNiXpSyChO> what do you mean
Aug 28 19:08:41 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: core 2 not showing up and how it is still actually working?
Aug 28 19:09:21 <uNiXpSyChO> there are no docs.
Aug 28 19:09:29 <uNiXpSyChO> use CLI to see cpu come online, then offline
Aug 28 19:09:36 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: it's always offline
Aug 28 19:09:41 <drobbins> but I'll give it some load and see what happens
Aug 28 19:09:43 <uNiXpSyChO> then do a ptrace of powerd process to se it shut the cpu off
Aug 28 19:09:47 <uNiXpSyChO> not true at all
Aug 28 19:09:55 <uNiXpSyChO> on my TP i see the cpu come online during heavy load
Aug 28 19:10:06 <drobbins> yes, what I was saying is that it's not coming online at all
Aug 28 19:10:24 <uNiXpSyChO> the stock kernel does it too from what i have seen
Aug 28 19:10:34 <uNiXpSyChO> lets make real diagnosis hear
Aug 28 19:10:36 <drobbins> I have seen core 2 come up and down.
Aug 28 19:10:39 <drobbins> that's normal
Aug 28 19:10:45 <drobbins> I haven't seen it stay down forever.
Aug 28 19:10:48 <drobbins> ok
Aug 28 19:12:04 <uNiXpSyChO> if you look at my patches for F4, you see that i disable the userspace function to disable the CPU.  powerd shuts it down.  that is not kernel related.
Aug 28 19:12:12 <uNiXpSyChO> not sure how many times i need to say this
Aug 28 19:14:25 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: so htop should show 2 cores
Aug 28 19:14:47 <Tom__> hello?
Aug 28 19:14:52 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: or if I stop powerd, then set it online, then it should stay up?
Aug 28 19:15:17 <jacques> the top-like apps seem to not understand the async core thing
Aug 28 19:15:17 <drobbins> Tom__: hi
Aug 28 19:15:28 <drobbins> jacques: what is the async core thing?
Aug 28 19:15:41 <jacques> where the second core can be offlined
Aug 28 19:15:43 <drobbins> jacques: if they don't understand it, then userspace apps aren't going to use it either.
Aug 28 19:15:44 <uNiXpSyChO> if you stop powerd then other bad things will happen.  powerd controls alot of things.  but you can do that to test it.
Aug 28 19:15:58 <drobbins> ok
Aug 28 19:16:06 <jacques> seems like top looks at what's online when it starts and doesn't check again
Aug 28 19:16:09 <Tom__> i was wondering if anyone knows if there is a patch that can show my phones temperature on the status bar, like next to the 3G symbol
Aug 28 19:16:22 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: core 2 hasn't been active in the 20 minutes I've been testing F15.
Aug 28 19:16:25 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: even with heavy load
Aug 28 19:16:57 <drobbins> currently checking out 700MB of files using git
Aug 28 19:17:06 <uNiXpSyChO> all i can say i can make it come online by itself.
Aug 28 19:17:07 <jacques> I'm stil not sure what type of load powerd is looking for to online core1. I tried with multiple yes processes and couldn't get it to online
Aug 28 19:17:19 <uNiXpSyChO> but then again, i know how to view it
Aug 28 19:17:58 <jacques> govnah shows my second core onlining periodically though
Aug 28 19:18:07 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: basically all the info I am seeing is telling me there is some issue with powerd and your kernel that is not letting the 2nd core come online.
Aug 28 19:18:15 <uNiXpSyChO> ask Palm what usage it's looking for.  but it's obvious it's shutting it down
Aug 28 19:18:38 <drobbins> with UC or the stock kernel, it comes online multiple times a second.
Aug 28 19:18:39 <jacques> uNiXpSyChO, I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying
Aug 28 19:19:10 <jacques> I was able to manually online core1 and saw powerd offline it after a few seconds
Aug 28 19:19:20 * javispedro ponders what was wrong with cpuidle they had to put their own clone of it in userspace, and propietary.
Aug 28 19:19:39 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: if you go into govnah, do you see anything on your CPU2 Frequency Chart? Mine is totally zero'd out
Aug 28 19:19:46 <jacques> javispedro, proprietary is always better, dont'cha know?
Aug 28 19:19:47 <uNiXpSyChO> drobbins: if that's what you think then so be it.  i have seen this with stock kernel but since it's not overclocked it ramps up quicker.  i'm done arging this.  look at my F4 patch and you'll see it's a userspace webOS problem, not the kernel.
Aug 28 19:20:02 <Quinta> i need to find a patch can anyone help me?
Aug 28 19:20:10 <uNiXpSyChO> yes, i can see cpu 2 ramp up, then off again, depending on what i do
Aug 28 19:20:12 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: where is your F4 patch?
Aug 28 19:20:15 <uNiXpSyChO> in git
Aug 28 19:20:26 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: I can prove it's happening on my machine
Aug 28 19:20:35 <drobbins> once git completes I'll do it
Aug 28 19:20:51 <uNiXpSyChO> i;m sure you can.  i see it too.  but it's not a kernel problem.  the kernel doesnt shut off the CPU
Aug 28 19:21:10 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: so there is some bug related to powerd interacting with your kernel then
Aug 28 19:21:39 <Ironsight> most linux people set their govenor to "on demand" to save heat/electricity/battery, which means, when you need it, it will bump up
Aug 28 19:21:53 <uNiXpSyChO> whatever algorithm Palm uses for load average or whatever.  it deems to shut off the CPU.  it does it on stock kernel too.
Aug 28 19:22:09 <drobbins> no, this is different behavior.
Aug 28 19:22:12 <uNiXpSyChO> we dont have powerd sources to fix Palms problem
Aug 28 19:22:22 <drobbins> with the stock kernel, it will shut off the CPU but it will come back online again every few seconds.
Aug 28 19:22:25 <drobbins> and with UC>
Aug 28 19:22:33 <drobbins> I am saying that the 2nd core is permanently offline.
Aug 28 19:22:33 <uNiXpSyChO> ok
Aug 28 19:22:41 <uNiXpSyChO> if you say so
Aug 28 19:22:50 <drobbins> I am staring at it on my touchpad
Aug 28 19:23:01 <uNiXpSyChO> and?
Aug 28 19:23:08 <drobbins> 2nd core is offline
Aug 28 19:23:12 <uNiXpSyChO> i can view it on CLI and i see it come online and off.
Aug 28 19:23:19 <uNiXpSyChO> this is getting silly
Aug 28 19:23:27 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: on my touchpad? are you looking at it?
Aug 28 19:23:34 <uNiXpSyChO> i have a TP too
Aug 28 19:23:44 <uNiXpSyChO> i know what people are cmoplaining about
Aug 28 19:23:56 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: so you are saying that in govnah, you have a permanent 0MHz second core, but you can see thru CLI that it is coming online and offline?
Aug 28 19:24:34 <uNiXpSyChO> yes, but you refuse to beleive me.  thats fine.  you can use UK if you think otherwise.
Aug 28 19:24:47 <drobbins> I can test thru CLI and see if it's coming online.
Aug 28 19:25:37 <Ironsight> with htop or something?
Aug 28 19:25:38 <uNiXpSyChO> why dont you run a ptrace on powerd and see it shutoff the cpu and never bring it back online
Aug 28 19:27:08 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: is there a work-around? because I need the 2nd core.
Aug 28 19:27:15 <uNiXpSyChO> use F4
Aug 28 19:27:42 <drobbins> what is F4?
Aug 28 19:28:16 <uNiXpSyChO> like i mentioned before, that has a patch to remove the sysfs entry to /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online so userspace cant disable it
Aug 28 19:28:24 <uNiXpSyChO> F4 is the new kernel i just put out
Aug 28 19:28:26 <drobbins> ok
Aug 28 19:28:29 <drobbins> in testing feed?
Aug 28 19:28:32 <uNiXpSyChO> yes
Aug 28 19:28:40 <drobbins> ok I can give it a shot. Still has nfs?
Aug 28 19:28:44 <uNiXpSyChO> yep
Aug 28 19:29:01 <xusxmarinesx> hey question I put the correct url and names in preware but still can't download which means I can't get the kernel any other way to get it
Aug 28 19:29:23 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: sounds god
Aug 28 19:29:24 <drobbins> good
Aug 28 19:29:33 <drobbins> xusxmarinesx: it should work
Aug 28 19:29:38 <drobbins> xusxmarinesx: I just did it a few mins ago.
Aug 28 19:29:45 <drobbins> xusxmarinesx: is this for the testing feeds?
Aug 28 19:30:24 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: I actually like not having webos shut the second core down, bonus imo
Aug 28 19:30:43 <uNiXpSyChO> well, some people complained a bit about battery life.
Aug 28 19:30:55 <BrettQ_> any patch gurus interested in enabling the Touchpad to see adhoc WiFi networks?
Aug 28 19:31:48 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: will be great to get nfs working
Aug 28 19:31:54 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: any caveats? tried it yourself
Aug 28 19:31:54 <drobbins> ?
Aug 28 19:32:11 <drobbins> xusxmarinesx: you did the preware.is.awesome and reboot thing?
Aug 28 19:32:12 <uNiXpSyChO> i have been using it for a few days.  works fine
Aug 28 19:32:16 <drobbins> cool
Aug 28 19:34:21 <drobbins> that will make my life a whole lot nicer
Aug 28 19:50:24 <cyclic> does dropbear use sshd?
Aug 28 19:50:37 <dwc-> dropbear is an sshd
Aug 28 19:50:46 <cyclic> ok
Aug 28 19:50:57 <dwc-> it's an alternative to openssh
Aug 28 19:50:59 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: so the turbo mode is disabled by default? how to enable?
Aug 28 19:51:05 <cyclic> I compiled OpenSSH and installed the package, but without dropbear, I don't see OpenSSH running
Aug 28 19:51:09 <cyclic> err
Aug 28 19:51:22 <uNiXpSyChO> drobbins: it's enabled by default
Aug 28 19:51:23 <cyclic> I mean without dropbear I can't even connect to the tablet
Aug 28 19:51:26 <drobbins> cool
Aug 28 19:51:29 <drobbins> booting now
Aug 28 19:51:40 <dwc-> any particular reason to compile openssh instead of using the one in preware or optware?
Aug 28 19:51:58 <dtzWill> directhex: sound doesn't work from chroot? works for misc things like mplayer i thought--and more generally anything targeting alsa should wokr, althouhg i haven't tested extensively myself
Aug 28 19:52:01 <cyclic> dwc-: rwhitby said he wanted me to try upgrading to the latest version and test... so I'm testing.
Aug 28 19:52:05 <uNiXpSyChO> drobbins: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/override/turbo_mode
Aug 28 19:52:34 <cyclic> it's just to document getting widk packages to compile and deploying them to the device
Aug 28 19:52:39 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: yep, second core is go
Aug 28 19:53:38 <cyclic> so in testing openssh, I ran into the issue of what looks to be openssh not starting for some reason.  Actually, even the preware version doesn't look to be starting
Aug 28 19:54:07 <Abyssul> cyclic, testing openssh on what device
Aug 28 19:54:13 <cyclic> touchpad
Aug 28 19:54:22 <Abyssul> Oh
Aug 28 19:54:27 <Abyssul> I had something similar on my Pre2
Aug 28 19:55:12 <cyclic> which configuration file is sshd reading and where does it get started?
Aug 28 19:56:02 <Abyssul> It should be in etc/event.d/
Aug 28 19:56:59 <dwc-> cyclic: ahhh, ok
Aug 28 19:57:02 <dwc-> /var/palm/event.d
Aug 28 19:57:12 <Abyssul> CLose enough
Aug 28 19:57:30 <dwc-> well, there is an /etc/event.d but the startup won't be in there
Aug 28 19:57:35 <cyclic> mobi.optware.openssh
Aug 28 19:57:39 <cyclic> k I have that
Aug 28 19:57:50 <cyclic> and this mobi.optware.dropbear
Aug 28 19:58:24 <cyclic> I will nuke dropbear once I am sure the config on openssh is good
Aug 28 19:58:26 <dwc-> those are upstart scripts... one of those should probably be starting
Aug 28 19:58:37 <cyclic> yeah, dropbear is starting
Aug 28 19:58:43 <cyclic> but openssh wasn't
Aug 28 20:00:11 <cyclic> here is the openssh upstart script
Aug 28 20:00:13 <cyclic> http://pastebin.com/yuyQVbaF
Aug 28 20:00:25 <PatrickC_TP> uNiXpSyChO: ping
Aug 28 20:00:35 <PatrickC_TP> I have a device that is actually not a super-device :)
Aug 28 20:00:36 * uNiXpSyChO runs away
Aug 28 20:00:55 <PatrickC_TP> I'm wanting to help figure out why some devices don't boot F15
Aug 28 20:00:59 <PatrickC_TP> mine doesn't
Aug 28 20:01:16 <PatrickC_TP> well, it boots. but once I enable the speed in govnah, it locks up
Aug 28 20:01:24 <uNiXpSyChO> what speed?  1.9?
Aug 28 20:01:34 <PatrickC_TP> yep
Aug 28 20:01:47 <uNiXpSyChO> well, that might be expected.  not all devices can run that
Aug 28 20:01:47 <drobbins> so it seems like sshd is fixed simply by keepin the cores going.
Aug 28 20:01:56 <PatrickC_TP> my other touchpad (that I just sold) worked fine at 1.9
Aug 28 20:02:02 <drobbins> did that at the same time I was messing with ECN and compression.
Aug 28 20:02:03 <drobbins> :/
Aug 28 20:02:26 <PatrickC_TP> is the new kernel suppose to be for touchpads that can't run at 1.9? :)
Aug 28 20:03:08 <uNiXpSyChO> well, it will always boot.  unlike the old Pre kernels where it would boot loop
Aug 28 20:03:19 <PatrickC_TP> yeah
Aug 28 20:03:23 <PatrickC_TP> it did boot
Aug 28 20:03:36 <uNiXpSyChO> so you should be happy :)
Aug 28 20:03:53 <PatrickC_TP> but once I told it to run at ondemandTLC 1.9, it decided it didn't want to work anymore :)
Aug 28 20:04:09 <PatrickC_TP> so, I forced it to reboot, and uninstalled
Aug 28 20:04:30 <uNiXpSyChO> why uninstall?
Aug 28 20:04:35 <uNiXpSyChO> just run it at 1.7 or so
Aug 28 20:04:43 <PatrickC_TP> I'll just fun the F4
Aug 28 20:04:58 <PatrickC_TP> and try that one out
Aug 28 20:05:15 <PatrickC_TP> run*
Aug 28 20:10:58 <Kosher> drobbins: can you paste bin your /var/palm/event.d/mobi.optware.openssh for me?
Aug 28 20:14:10 <Abyssul> Hows F4
Aug 28 20:15:51 <PatrickC_TP> idk
Aug 28 20:15:56 <PatrickC_TP> I just installed it
Aug 28 20:15:59 <PatrickC_TP> I need to reboot
Aug 28 20:17:11 <Abyssul> Anyone wanna make $50 bucks? Just make a bypass pin patch for 3.0.2
Aug 28 20:25:19 <drobbins> F4 is great for development
Aug 28 20:26:29 <drobbins> cyclic: in a bit
Aug 28 20:26:36 <cyclic> k
Aug 28 20:27:04 <drobbins> so what is the best webos phone to get in the US?
Aug 28 20:27:05 <drobbins> veer?
Aug 28 20:27:07 <drobbins> :/
Aug 28 20:27:18 <drobbins> it IS cute, but I have read reviews saying it can be flaky sometimes.
Aug 28 20:27:23 <cyclic> you've hit the 1.4.5 cryptofs bug
Aug 28 20:27:26 <cyclic> wtf is that?
Aug 28 20:28:11 <cyclic> it looks as though Ron001 had this issue from this post:  http://jbot.rikers.org/%23webos-internals/20110706.html.gz
Aug 28 20:28:37 <cyclic> dwc-: looks like you were trying to help there too :)
Aug 28 20:31:31 <cyclic> When I try starting openssh manually, I get an error:  /opt/sbin/sshd -D Could not load host key: /var/home/root/.ssh/id_rsa Disabling protocol version 2. Could not load host key sshd: no hostkeys available -- exiting.
Aug 28 20:31:58 <drobbins> cyclic: does id_rsa exist?
Aug 28 20:32:15 <cyclic> ls /var/home/root/.ssh
Aug 28 20:32:21 <cyclic> oops
Aug 28 20:33:16 <cyclic> ls /var/home/root/.ssh/ authorized_keys  id_rsa           known_hosts
Aug 28 20:33:40 <cyclic> dropbear works
Aug 28 20:33:41 <drobbins> cyclic: maybe the key is corrupt.
Aug 28 20:33:51 <drobbins> cyclic: it could also want the .pub key too
Aug 28 20:34:10 <cyclic> does the key in .ssh have to match the key in /opt/etc/openssh/?
Aug 28 20:34:10 <ka6sox> drobbins I think the Pre2 is the best out there today
Aug 28 20:34:40 <ka6sox> the veer is "cute" and the fastest at running webos.
Aug 28 20:34:57 <ka6sox> (perception..not necessilarly sunspider)
Aug 28 20:36:44 <Abyssul> Veer is faster than Pre2 at running webos?
Aug 28 20:37:07 <ka6sox> Abyssul, its perception I think.
Aug 28 20:37:15 <Abyssul> Probably
Aug 28 20:37:33 <cyclic> hrrm
Aug 28 20:37:37 <drobbins> so veer is close but pre2 is still better
Aug 28 20:37:53 <ka6sox> what carrier?
Aug 28 20:37:56 <Abyssul> Its neglectible
Aug 28 20:37:57 <cyclic> so i fixed my config so it points back to the default key
Aug 28 20:38:07 <drobbins> ka6sox: I have AT&T currently
Aug 28 20:38:27 <cyclic> now when I try to start, i get:  Permissions 0777 for '/opt/etc/openssh/ssh_host_rsa_key' are too open.
Aug 28 20:38:31 <ka6sox> then it depends on what size you like.
Aug 28 20:38:46 <drobbins> ka6sox: ok
Aug 28 20:38:51 <cyclic> setting it to 600
Aug 28 20:39:31 <dwc-> Abyssul: $50 to bypass what pin
Aug 28 20:39:46 <drobbins> other option would be to import a pre3, use it only as GSM/wifi
Aug 28 20:40:18 <Abyssul> dwc-, the lock screen pin
Aug 28 20:40:25 <ka6sox> has anybody verified that a UK phone has the US 3G bands working on it?
Aug 28 20:40:26 <Abyssul> Similar to 1.x
Aug 28 20:40:26 <cyclic> eh, do I need an ecdsa key?
Aug 28 20:40:34 * ka6sox does not know
Aug 28 20:40:55 <drobbins> I just compiled glib on the touchpad.
Aug 28 20:40:57 <drobbins> natively
Aug 28 20:41:24 <ka6sox> drobbins, what -j setting do you use?
Aug 28 20:41:36 <dwc-> ka6sox: toptonguebarry did on the forums
Aug 28 20:41:49 <cyclic> opt/sbin/sshd -D Could not load host key: /opt/etc/openssh/ssh_host_ecdsa_key
Aug 28 20:42:16 <dwc-> http://forums.precentral.net/hp-pre-3/291972-does-uk-pre3-sim-free-work-us-t.html
Aug 28 20:42:30 <dwc-> it has some us 3g support (1900)
Aug 28 20:42:31 <cyclic> I don't even have a host key called ssh_host_ecdsa_key in the folder
Aug 28 20:42:47 <dwc-> Abyssul: what do you need it for?
Aug 28 20:43:19 <dwc-> I guess I haven't tested... but I think it's probably just as easy as in 2.x to reset it
Aug 28 20:43:31 <drobbins> dwc-: will look
Aug 28 20:44:09 <dwc-> somewhere, out there, is a small collection of att 3g pre3s
Aug 28 20:50:21 <drobbins> http://forums.precentral.net/hp-pre-3/291972-does-uk-pre3-sim-free-work-us-t.html
Aug 28 20:50:40 <drobbins> veer may be a good combo of price and data speed
Aug 28 20:53:26 <drobbins> but toptonguebarry is saying you can get a pre3 for $75?!?!
Aug 28 20:53:39 <dwc-> no, I'm pretty sure he isn't saying that =]
Aug 28 20:53:49 <dwc-> also, it looks like the palm eurostore isn't discounting
Aug 28 20:53:59 <ka6sox> drobbins, not see that price in the wild.
Aug 28 20:54:02 <dwc-> http://eurostore.palm.com/epages/Store.sf/sec9hr2jqK2mxs/?ObjectPath=/Shops/PalmStore/Products/HP-FB437AA-ABU
Aug 28 20:54:10 <dwc-> note
Aug 28 20:54:10 <dwc-> - Standard Published Price ( No Price Reduction / Special Price was issued by HP )
Aug 28 20:54:39 <dwc-> (their dates are funky though -- that post has been up since way before 11pm BST
Aug 28 20:55:18 <RavenII> Wait, can you not utilize enyo with Eclipse?
Aug 28 20:55:35 <dwc-> those poor cdma pre3s and us pre3s
Aug 28 20:55:35 <RavenII> or...yeah, utilize?...I don't know what word to use...
Aug 28 20:55:43 <RavenII> CDMA Pre3s?
Aug 28 20:55:49 <RavenII> I'll take one....4
Aug 28 20:55:51 <RavenII> I'll take 5
Aug 28 20:56:04 <dwc-> unreleased. who knows whether they'll see the light of day
Aug 28 20:56:24 <RavenII> they can't just sit there...unused and lonely
Aug 28 20:56:32 <RavenII> that's electronic cruelty
Aug 28 20:56:40 <dwc-> maybe you can convince HP to sell them
Aug 28 20:57:01 <RavenII> Psst!...HP (I know you're in here)....sell them you jerks...
Aug 28 20:57:05 <RavenII> there, I did my part.
Aug 28 20:57:10 <RavenII> Now back to Enyo + Eclipse...
Aug 28 20:58:09 <cyclic> w00t!!!
Aug 28 20:58:22 <RavenII> they have them!?!?
Aug 28 20:58:33 <drobbins> anyone have any good links for pre3 ordering? looks like it would work fine here.
Aug 28 20:58:40 <cyclic> That was far too complicated, but I got OpenSSH working now :P
Aug 28 20:58:45 <dwc-> no. they're all oversold.
Aug 28 20:58:56 <dwc-> eurostore sold out
Aug 28 20:58:58 <RavenII> that sucks.
Aug 28 20:59:05 <dwc-> I've placed two orders at places that will ship to the US, cancelled
Aug 28 20:59:08 <dwc-> all waiting to see what stock will be
Aug 28 20:59:13 <drobbins> ok
Aug 28 20:59:37 <wrea> I'd be happy with a Pre 2
Aug 28 20:59:40 <dwc-> can't even add your name to their queues at the ones I've ordered from... they've stopped taking new orders
Aug 28 20:59:42 <RavenII> me too...
Aug 28 21:00:04 <dwc-> pre2s are ~100 on my local area craigslist
Aug 28 21:00:08 <drobbins> ok, got nfs-utils merged on the touchpad
Aug 28 21:00:18 <dwc-> which is also about the price on the sold-out US HP store
Aug 28 21:00:42 <wrea> with my eep they are/were only 50
Aug 28 21:00:58 <dwc-> yes, but I'm not assuming everyone has legitimate access to EPP
Aug 28 21:01:08 <wrea> True
Aug 28 21:02:10 <drobbins> employee purchase program?
Aug 28 21:02:18 <dwc-> yep
Aug 28 21:02:30 <drobbins> wrea: that's for pre2 or 3
Aug 28 21:02:34 <dwc-> it also includes corporate discount programs, etc
Aug 28 21:02:35 <dwc-> pre2
Aug 28 21:02:54 <wrea> the veer was also at that price
Aug 28 21:03:06 <cyclic> ok, so ssh is not starting automatically :/
Aug 28 21:03:07 <dwc-> it isn't now though
Aug 28 21:03:12 <drobbins> cyclic: had the same problem.
Aug 28 21:03:15 <drobbins> cyclic: had/have
Aug 28 21:03:20 <dwc-> they were all 50 before the sell-out.
Aug 28 21:03:58 <cyclic> drobbins: I am wondering if it needs a delay to wait for a network to become available
Aug 28 21:04:08 <drobbins> cyclic: maybe
Aug 28 21:04:17 <drobbins> cyclic: actually no
Aug 28 21:04:25 <cyclic> oh right
Aug 28 21:04:26 <drobbins> cyclic: it should listen on all interfaces, and localhost should be up by the time the kernel boots
Aug 28 21:04:27 <cyclic> it should persist
Aug 28 21:04:32 <drobbins> yep
Aug 28 21:04:39 <drobbins> then when eth0 is available, it will listen there.
Aug 28 21:04:52 <dwc-> do you have start on started org.webosinternals.optware or something else?
Aug 28 21:05:22 <dwc-> well, it binds to INADDR_ANY so as long as there's one interface up you should be ok
Aug 28 21:05:34 <cyclic> shoot, i should have compared to dropbear before i uninstalled it :)
Aug 28 21:05:59 <cyclic> dropbear autostarts
Aug 28 21:06:15 <Abyssul> dtzwill: ping
Aug 28 21:08:57 <cyclic> drobbins: port blockage?
Aug 28 21:09:36 <cyclic> now after I start ssh, i notice the port is blocked so I get operation timed out from other hosts but I can remote in local
Aug 28 21:10:11 <cyclic> ssh in local I mean
Aug 28 21:12:12 <drobbins> so this network hiccup issue is giving me problems.
Aug 28 21:12:17 <drobbins> nfs seems to be semi-hosed.
Aug 28 21:15:10 <drobbins> probably due to the network stuff.
Aug 28 21:18:37 <cyclic> what does this mean?  [sshd] <defunct> ?
Aug 28 21:18:38 <drobbins> hrm
Aug 28 21:18:56 <drobbins> cyclic: dead but has not been cleaned up by the parent process I think
Aug 28 21:19:58 <dwc-> zombied
Aug 28 21:20:40 <cyclic> hrrm
Aug 28 21:20:42 <cyclic> can't kill it
Aug 28 21:21:16 <drobbins> is there some kind of speed cap on wifi on the touchpad?
Aug 28 21:21:23 <drobbins> or is that only on the other devices?
Aug 28 21:22:14 <drobbins> http://forums.precentral.net/hp-pre-3/291972-does-uk-pre3-sim-free-work-us-t.html
Aug 28 21:22:17 <drobbins> http://forums.precentral.net/hp-pre-3/291972-does-uk-pre3-sim-free-work-us-t.html
Aug 28 21:22:20 <drobbins> http://forums.precentral.net/hp-pre-3/291972-does-uk-pre3-sim-free-work-us-t.html
Aug 28 21:22:23 <drobbins> grr
Aug 28 21:22:25 <drobbins> sorry
Aug 28 21:22:27 <dwc-> dude, we get it, you're excited about the pre3 ;)
Aug 28 21:22:33 <drobbins> yeah
Aug 28 21:22:56 <dwc-> PatrickC_TP: ping
Aug 28 21:24:43 <drobbins> I guess I'm thinking of the Unthrottle Download Manager patch
Aug 28 21:27:13 <cyclic> where is the event.d folder again for upstart scripts?
Aug 28 21:27:17 <dwc-> /var/palm
Aug 28 21:27:23 <PatrickC_TP> dwc-: pong
Aug 28 21:28:13 <dwc-> do you get notifications if I upload something to that shared folder?
Aug 28 21:28:38 <PatrickC_TP> don't think so
Aug 28 21:32:54 <dwc-> PatrickC_TP: well, there's a new file for you
Aug 28 21:33:08 <PatrickC_TP> dwc-: I got a email that there was a new comment :)
Aug 28 21:33:24 <dwc-> ok, that works
Aug 28 21:33:47 <cyclic> status mobi.optware.openssh (stop) waiting
Aug 28 21:33:50 <cyclic> :/
Aug 28 21:34:27 <PatrickC_TP> dwc-: should I look at the comment? or did you use the changelog?
Aug 28 21:34:43 <dwc-> I'm not modifying the changelogs
Aug 28 21:34:56 <PatrickC_TP> ok
Aug 28 21:35:09 <PatrickC_TP> dwc-:  do I use the all or the all.20110827 ?
Aug 28 21:35:16 <dwc-> _all
Aug 28 21:35:21 <dwc-> the other one is yesterday's
Aug 28 21:35:24 <PatrickC_TP> ok
Aug 28 21:35:30 <PatrickC_TP> brb, updating
Aug 28 21:37:04 <drobbins> uNiXpSyChO: in your next F4 build, can you enable the iptables TOS target?
Aug 28 21:37:16 <drobbins> then I can try to get this ssh thing resolved hopefully
Aug 28 21:37:55 <LarrySteeze> as long as his next f4 build doesn't break govnah again
Aug 28 21:38:04 <cyclic> odd. should I see a mobi.optware.openssh file in /etc/event.d/ ?
Aug 28 21:38:07 <LarrySteeze> err...wait, i already used that joke once...>.<
Aug 28 21:38:09 <dwc-> no
Aug 28 21:41:21 <PatrickC> dwc-: installed
Aug 28 21:41:28 <PatrickC> touchpad locked up, on phone
Aug 28 21:41:43 <dwc-> locked up doing what
Aug 28 21:42:07 * dwc- hasn't actually tried it on a TP
Aug 28 21:42:24 <PatrickC> closing a window lol
Aug 28 21:43:09 <PatrickC> had to do the power+home reboot
Aug 28 21:43:20 <cyclic> dwc-: I have start on stopped finish and started org.webosinternals.optware   stop on run level [!2]
Aug 28 21:46:35 <lhn555> Hey.
Aug 28 21:47:14 <PatrickC> hey
Aug 28 21:47:29 <lhn555> Do any of you have any betas of webOS that would work on a TouchPad?
Aug 28 21:47:46 <SparklesAddict> Eh?
Aug 28 21:48:05 <SparklesAddict> WebOS comes shipped with WebOS
Aug 28 21:48:12 <SparklesAddict> *Touchpad comes shipped
Aug 28 21:48:13 <dwc-> that could be shared with the public? no
Aug 28 21:48:23 <lhn555> Did you know that you can download apps from their servers? Example with free app: https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/apps/9208/1.5.3/files/com.rovio.angrybirdshd_1.5.3.ipk
Aug 28 21:48:55 <dwc-> if you pass it the correct authorization, yes
Aug 28 21:49:18 <lhn555> Actually, I didn't have to enter anything...
Aug 28 21:49:19 <dwc-> impostah, e.g. does this.
Aug 28 21:49:36 <lhn555> I know, Impostah told me the URL. :D
Aug 28 21:49:45 <lhn555> It's a cool app.
Aug 28 21:50:13 <lhn555> Is HP going to make WebOS 4?
Aug 28 21:50:24 <SparklesAddict> webos3 is barely out
Aug 28 21:50:27 <PatrickC> more then likely yes
Aug 28 21:50:34 <PatrickC> eventually
Aug 28 21:50:37 <dwc-> and webos 10 after that
Aug 28 21:50:46 <lhn555> My TouchPad fails when trying to download 3.0.2 68.
Aug 28 21:51:01 <PatrickC> lhn555: had the same problem here
Aug 28 21:51:04 <PatrickC> ended up doctoring
Aug 28 21:51:05 <cyclic> where is event.d again?
Aug 28 21:51:08 * dwc- had to try 2-3 times
Aug 28 21:51:24 <cyclic> nm
Aug 28 21:51:26 <dwc-> /var/palm
Aug 28 21:51:29 <panel> hi
Aug 28 21:51:38 <cyclic> not /etc/event.d ?
Aug 28 21:51:44 <dwc-> there are two event.d
Aug 28 21:51:45 * PatrickC tried about 10 times...
Aug 28 21:51:49 <lhn555> PatrickC: Doesn't that wipe everything? My data is to precious for that! :D I don't want to backup. :(
Aug 28 21:51:51 <dwc-> one in /var/palm, one in /etc
Aug 28 21:52:01 <dwc-> optware et al uses /var/palm
Aug 28 21:52:17 * lhn555 's TouchPad fails when downloading OS 3.0.2 68.
Aug 28 21:52:35 <cyclic> dwc-: I don't think anything is getting processed in /var/palm/event.d
Aug 28 21:52:46 <lhn555> Saurik is on here?
Aug 28 21:52:48 <dwc-> mine are
Aug 28 21:52:52 <PatrickC> lhn555: like the USB drive? don't think so
Aug 28 21:53:01 <cyclic> how can I tell if mine are?
Aug 28 21:53:07 <PatrickC> but always treat it like it might happen, backup is a good thing
Aug 28 21:53:12 <lhn555> PatrickC: lolwut
Aug 28 21:53:21 <dwc-> status or initctl one of the ones in there
Aug 28 21:53:22 <PatrickC> what are you worried about losing?
Aug 28 21:53:39 <directhex> dtzWill: i haven't poked extensively yet. might be a gstreamer config issue
Aug 28 21:53:44 <lhn555> My homebrew tweaks, apps, and NON homebrew apps.
Aug 28 21:53:46 <lhn555> :D
Aug 28 21:54:01 <PatrickC> app catalog apps are all backed up by Palm
Aug 28 21:54:05 <lhn555> PatrickC: When did you get your TouchPad?
Aug 28 21:54:31 <PatrickC> homebrew, go into preware -> app menu -> saved package list -> update
Aug 28 21:54:57 <PatrickC> then download save/restore -> backup Preware -> backup saverestore dir off of usb drive - doctor :)
Aug 28 21:55:00 <lhn555> PatrickC: How does that save if the doctor wipes it?
Aug 28 21:55:03 <lhn555> oh
Aug 28 21:55:04 <PatrickC> lhn555: last friday
Aug 28 21:55:06 <lhn555> nvm
Aug 28 21:55:19 <PatrickC> very easy to do
Aug 28 21:55:23 <PatrickC> done it multiple times
Aug 28 21:55:37 <lhn555> PatrickC: 2/3 days ago I got mine. Is it worth it to update to 3.0.2 68?
Aug 28 21:55:42 <bnceo> buenos dias homies
Aug 28 21:55:44 <dwc-> there's also, in preware, saved application list
Aug 28 21:55:55 <bnceo> lhn555: I had the failing issue too when updating on my gf's TP
Aug 28 21:56:00 <PatrickC> dwc-: I said "saved package list" :)
Aug 28 21:56:04 <bnceo> I just doctored to 3.0.2 and be done with it
Aug 28 21:56:06 <PatrickC> lhn555: yes. very much so
Aug 28 21:56:25 <lhn555> PatrickC: How so?
Aug 28 21:56:27 <dwc-> oh, missed that, sorry
Aug 28 21:56:31 <dwc-> wow, my saved package list is ancient
Aug 28 21:56:35 <dwc-> on my phone
Aug 28 21:56:43 <dwc-> a whole 6 apps
Aug 28 21:56:44 <lhn555> epic fail
Aug 28 21:57:28 <lhn555> http://www.webos-internals.org/images/thumb/4/42/Webos-internals-logo-huge.png/135px-Webos-internals-logo-huge.png AHH HE'S GONNA SCREW ME!!! :D
Aug 28 21:57:32 <PatrickC> lhn555: allows media capture access (for camera apps, and there is a very good free one coming soon), fixes many bugs, gives you a *clock and calculator app*
Aug 28 21:57:34 <PatrickC> etc.
Aug 28 21:58:03 <lhn555> Oh. Don't really need that cr... stuff.
Aug 28 21:58:20 <PatrickC> I use it all the time
Aug 28 21:59:55 <lhn555> I don't. :P
Aug 28 22:00:19 <lhn555> I have fallen in love with webOS and admittedly like it better then iOS.
Aug 28 22:00:27 <summatusmentis> +1
Aug 28 22:00:32 <PatrickC> +1
Aug 28 22:00:50 <netxshare> fyi I am rather sure warthog kernel has bricked my touchpad
Aug 28 22:00:55 <netxshare> or damaged the cpu
Aug 28 22:01:07 <lhn555> Warthog kernel?
Aug 28 22:01:14 <netxshare> yes
Aug 28 22:01:18 <ka6sox> netxshare, I would be careful about making such accusations til you have PROOF.
Aug 28 22:01:22 <lhn555> What's that?
Aug 28 22:01:32 <summatusmentis> lhn555: it's a custom kernel for webOS
Aug 28 22:01:36 <lhn555> I know what a kernel is, just not the Warthog one?
Aug 28 22:01:47 <lhn555> What is better about it, and what feed?
Aug 28 22:01:49 <netxshare> well I installed it last night worked fine, now the device wont charge or turn on
Aug 28 22:01:53 <dwc-> well, why'd you install it then!
Aug 28 22:01:54 <ka6sox> and....did you NOT read the disclaimer BEFORE downloading it.
Aug 28 22:01:58 <netxshare> I have tried two chargers
Aug 28 22:02:01 <netxshare> yes
Aug 28 22:02:15 <lhn555> WHAT FEED, DUDE/ETS
Aug 28 22:02:19 <lhn555> *.
Aug 28 22:02:26 <ka6sox> netxshare, try this
Aug 28 22:02:46 <ka6sox> hold both power and the "home" key on the front of the TP for 15-30 seconds.
Aug 28 22:02:47 <PatrickC> lhn555: testing
Aug 28 22:03:04 <cyclic> dwc-: ok so it looks like org.webosinternals.optware is started and when I did start mobi.optware.openssh it started fine... I wonder if it's either the  "stop on runlevel [!2]" or "and started org.webosinternals.optware"
Aug 28 22:03:10 <PatrickC> that's how I recovered when I installed F15
Aug 28 22:03:14 <lhn555> Oh. On wOS internals? I didn't see it? What section?
Aug 28 22:03:25 <PatrickC> ~testing-feeds
Aug 28 22:03:26 <infobot> testing-feeds is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds
Aug 28 22:03:39 <netxshare> ka6sox: I have tried that, ill give it another shot I don't think I held it that long
Aug 28 22:03:54 <ka6sox> netxshare, I had to do this recently to my TP...
Aug 28 22:03:54 <lhn555> I have testing feeds, which are webos-testing-all http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all webos-testing-arm7 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/arm7 right?
Aug 28 22:03:56 <PatrickC> it feels like forever when you are holding it
Aug 28 22:04:09 <PatrickC> those aren't the kernel testing feeds
Aug 28 22:04:48 <netxshare> ka6sox: haha that fixed it, thanks.
Aug 28 22:04:56 <netxshare> I kinda wish the touchpad had an LED
Aug 28 22:05:01 <netxshare> so I could at least see if it was charging
Aug 28 22:06:14 <lhn555> OK, thanks!
Aug 28 22:06:20 <lhn555> Found 'em!
Aug 28 22:06:28 <lhn555> Awesome!
Aug 28 22:06:30 <ka6sox> netxshare, so you owe jhojho an apology for saying his kernel "bricked" your TP.
Aug 28 22:06:50 <dwc-> he also owes you $100 for saving him from buying another one! :P
Aug 28 22:06:56 <netxshare> lol
Aug 28 22:07:05 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 28 22:07:39 <netxshare> what was causing the power button from not just turning it on?
Aug 28 22:07:55 <ka6sox> lhn555, if it bricks your TP don't come whining here :D
Aug 28 22:08:02 * dwc- waits for netxshare's correction
Aug 28 22:08:10 * ka6sox too
Aug 28 22:09:30 <netxshare> hrm I did not mean to come off as whining
Aug 28 22:09:53 <lhn555> I might brick my touchpad, it is epicer then ipad, duh duh duh, to * it is my real test, to fix it is my cause, screwupmon gotta * em all
Aug 28 22:09:57 <ka6sox> [14:56] 	<netxshare>	fyi I am rather sure warthog kernel has bricked my touchpad
Aug 28 22:09:57 <ka6sox> [14:57] 	<netxshare>	or damaged the cpu
Aug 28 22:10:06 <netxshare> yeah
Aug 28 22:10:31 <ka6sox> did it do *either* one of those things?
Aug 28 22:11:03 <netxshare> lucky not
Aug 28 22:11:16 <lhn555> I still only see uberkernel and palm kernel
Aug 28 22:11:24 <lhn555> i did what it said
Aug 28 22:11:26 * ka6sox give up
Aug 28 22:11:30 <netxshare> you need
Aug 28 22:11:34 <lhn555> *me NO
Aug 28 22:11:37 <netxshare> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/3.0.2
Aug 28 22:11:41 * lhn555 NO
Aug 28 22:11:45 <lhn555> THX
Aug 28 22:12:09 <SineOt> so much idiocy, it's amazing
Aug 28 22:13:00 <SparklesAddict> the warthog definitely damaged my cpu
Aug 28 22:13:10 <SparklesAddict> it made it run faster...that's just not normal
Aug 28 22:13:18 <lhn555> I don't have 3.0.2 on my device...
Aug 28 22:13:21 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 28 22:13:25 <netxshare> then grab webdoctor
Aug 28 22:13:28 <netxshare> and install 3.0.2
Aug 28 22:13:31 <lhn555> NO
Aug 28 22:13:35 <netxshare> or dont
Aug 28 22:13:42 <SparklesAddict> lhn555: do the OTA update
Aug 28 22:13:43 <lhn555> Can't I just use http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/3.0.0
Aug 28 22:13:50 <lhn555> It fails on my TP.
Aug 28 22:13:57 <netxshare> there is no warthog 3.0.0 as far as I know
Aug 28 22:14:02 <SparklesAddict> try once every couple hours
Aug 28 22:14:03 <netxshare> at least that just says Place holder
Aug 28 22:14:22 <SparklesAddict> netxshare: 1.4.5
Aug 28 22:14:33 <SparklesAddict> pre-
Aug 28 22:14:37 * halfhalo feels sorry for anyone who doesn't have 3.0.2
Aug 28 22:14:45 <Satellite> word
Aug 28 22:14:46 <SparklesAddict> the OTA worked for me
Aug 28 22:14:54 <SparklesAddict> not the first time
Aug 28 22:14:56 <SparklesAddict> but after a couple tries
Aug 28 22:14:59 <netxshare> just depends at what time you do it at
Aug 28 22:15:10 <lhn555> Is F15 Eagle good?
Aug 28 22:15:38 <summatusmentis> dude, read the feature list, decide if you need it
Aug 28 22:15:49 <lhn555> k
Aug 28 22:15:50 <summatusmentis> install it if you feel like you do
Aug 28 22:16:03 <lhn555> wtf im running 3.0.2 without knowing :D
Aug 28 22:16:26 <lhn555> it said it failed but apparently it didnt
Aug 28 22:16:59 <summatusmentis> there are precentral forum threads about each individual kernel, if you want to try the different ones out
Aug 28 22:18:25 <summatusmentis> I don't mean to sound harsh, it's not our job to tell you what to try and what not to
Aug 28 22:18:27 <SparklesAddict> summatusmentis: be nice...we'd rather them be asking those kinds of questions here than say...a room where people don't know as well
Aug 28 22:18:38 <lhn555> OK OK OK OK
Aug 28 22:19:13 <SparklesAddict> not that your answer wasn't valid...but we can be nice about it :P
Aug 28 22:20:34 <cyclic> ok it's fixed
Aug 28 22:20:50 <cyclic> drobbins: I got it working
Aug 28 22:23:28 <cyclic> I just had to comment out the "start..." line below the description and "stop..." line below that then add "start on stopped finish" in /var/palm/event.d/mobi.optware.openssh
Aug 28 22:24:34 <directhex> dtzWill: good call. for some reason gstreamer was using the Jack output sink. there were only the Jack & OSSv4 output sinks installed
Aug 28 22:32:57 <lhn555> Hiya folkz.
Aug 28 22:33:27 <lhn555> Is UberKernel safe like it says?
Aug 28 22:33:37 <PatrickC> try it and see
Aug 28 22:34:11 <lhn555> [freak]I won't risk my baby.[/freak] (maybe)
Aug 28 22:34:28 <PatrickC> is the tp brickable? I don't think it is?
Aug 28 22:34:32 <PatrickC> it might be though
Aug 28 22:34:54 <lhn555> wasnt the other guys though
Aug 28 22:34:58 <lhn555> who got warthog
Aug 28 22:35:46 <HattCzech> can i change the resolution on the chroot ubuntu?
Aug 28 22:35:48 <mongoman> Hello
Aug 28 22:36:01 <lhn555> HOW DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH WEBOS???
Aug 28 22:36:07 <lhn555> Hi.
Aug 28 22:36:15 <mongoman> Is there a way to create an installer that will only install a service?
Aug 28 22:36:30 <PatrickC> lhn555: dude, watch the yelling
Aug 28 22:36:34 <mongoman> Seems that if I use palm-package, it insists on having an app too
Aug 28 22:36:37 <PatrickC> webos has an ubuntu chroot
Aug 28 22:36:42 <PatrickC> that can be installed
Aug 28 22:37:10 <summatusmentis> you're also in webos-internals, and the ubuntu chroot is a webos-internals project
Aug 28 22:37:14 <lhn555> PatrickC: LOLWUT? It has stuff from Ubuntu?? I knew it was based on Linux, but...
Aug 28 22:37:25 <summatusmentis> it's a chroot
Aug 28 22:37:28 <lhn555> from where?
Aug 28 22:37:34 <PatrickC> preware
Aug 28 22:38:02 <lhn555> [/imsuchan00b]
Aug 28 22:38:14 <lhn555> (not)
Aug 28 22:38:29 <lhn555> can u cuss on this probably not
Aug 28 22:38:31 <lhn555> :D
Aug 28 22:39:10 <dtzWill> directhex: so that fixed it? :D
Aug 28 22:40:07 <lhn555> hihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihi
Aug 28 22:40:37 <lhn555|playinwit> ok
Aug 28 22:41:03 <lhn555> 9000
Aug 28 22:41:17 <lhn555> bye penguins
Aug 28 22:42:50 <RMind> needs to switch to decaf?
Aug 28 22:42:59 <PatrickC> please!
Aug 28 22:43:11 <summatusmentis> at the very least
Aug 28 22:43:15 <summatusmentis> possible also age 10 years
Aug 28 22:43:23 <HattCzech> very true
Aug 28 22:43:35 <PatrickC> ah, didn't think of possible age
Aug 28 22:43:57 <HattCzech> i'm not sure where the config is f the chroot
Aug 28 22:43:58 <summatusmentis> but good lord, that was annoying
Aug 28 22:44:22 <summatusmentis> possibly I'm just ornery
Aug 28 22:44:25 <PatrickC> I'm kinda happy he's gone...
Aug 28 22:44:33 <uNiXpSyChO> troll
Aug 28 22:44:39 <HattCzech> summatusmentis: you're not the only one... and no, not ornery
Aug 28 22:44:42 <PatrickC> hey uNiXpSyChO :)
Aug 28 22:44:55 <HattCzech> uNiXpSyChO: have you played with the ubuntu chroot?
Aug 28 22:45:01 <uNiXpSyChO> nope
Aug 28 22:45:05 <HattCzech> :/
Aug 28 22:45:10 * uNiXpSyChO despises n00buntu
Aug 28 22:45:25 <HattCzech> but... but... kernels... i thought...
Aug 28 22:45:26 <PatrickC> uNiXpSyChO: they have a debian one now
Aug 28 22:45:30 <HattCzech> heheh oh well
Aug 28 22:45:32 <PatrickC> in case you didn't see
Aug 28 22:45:37 <HattCzech> i saw that
Aug 28 22:45:48 <HattCzech> i think it's a general question... how do i change the resolution?
Aug 28 22:45:51 <IbrahimA> meh ubuntu is just debian with more packages
Aug 28 22:45:56 <HattCzech> it only takes up 2/3 of my screen
Aug 28 22:46:07 <PatrickC> HattCzech: I know how to fix :D
Aug 28 22:46:11 <IbrahimA> the xterm? or are you using a window manager
Aug 28 22:46:11 <PatrickC> go into Tweaks
Aug 28 22:46:14 <HattCzech> excellent :)
Aug 28 22:46:25 <PatrickC> Tweaks Rox
Aug 28 22:46:41 <summatusmentis> IbrahimA: that's only sort of true. Yes, Ubuntu is based on debian, at this point, they're not really compatible
Aug 28 22:46:46 <IbrahimA> right
Aug 28 22:46:53 <HattCzech> i'm in tweaks
Aug 28 22:47:06 <IbrahimA> oversimplification for sure but isn't ubuntu still downstream from debian testing?
Aug 28 22:47:10 <PatrickC> then.. system I think?
Aug 28 22:47:18 <HattCzech> i have 3 options in system...
Aug 28 22:47:21 <PatrickC> check the very last option
Aug 28 22:47:24 <PatrickC> what are they?
Aug 28 22:47:26 <HattCzech> color and virtual keyboard type
Aug 28 22:47:32 <summatusmentis> I'm not honestly sure, but even if it is, it's then heavily modified to the point where it's arguably not debian
Aug 28 22:47:33 <PatrickC> the vkb type
Aug 28 22:47:40 <HattCzech> off?
Aug 28 22:47:45 <PatrickC> what size vkb do you use? and this is a touchpad?
Aug 28 22:47:51 <PatrickC> you use the BY kb?
Aug 28 22:47:55 <HattCzech> touchpad, and i have a BT keyboard
Aug 28 22:47:59 <HattCzech> (yay 1/2 off)
Aug 28 22:48:04 <PatrickC> ok, same as me :)
Aug 28 22:48:07 <PatrickC> yeah, off
Aug 28 22:48:35 <HattCzech> fantastic!
Aug 28 22:50:51 <HattCzech> hmmm.. newest version of eclipse on linux is galileo?
Aug 28 22:51:05 <Tanuki> ubuntu is downstream from unstable isnt it?
Aug 28 22:51:23 <HattCzech> i have no idea
Aug 28 22:51:49 <PatrickC> ubuntu is very stable in my usage
Aug 28 22:52:00 <Tanuki> debian 'unstable' would be too :)
Aug 28 22:52:22 <directhex> dtzWill: yeah, just had to install gstreamer0.10-alsa
Aug 28 22:52:35 <Tanuki> 'unstable' doesnt necessarily mean it crashes a lot, it just means it changes in ways that break backwards compatibility a lot :)
Aug 28 22:52:37 <IbrahimA> fairly certain it's downstream from testing, not unstable
Aug 28 22:52:45 <Domingan_TP> hey I was wondering what your guys' point of view on the guys trying to put android on our TP's...
Aug 28 22:52:56 <HattCzech> downgrade :)
Aug 28 22:53:02 <Tanuki> *sidegrade :P
Aug 28 22:53:09 <Domingan_TP> are you guys working along with them?
Aug 28 22:53:22 <Domingan_TP> when say you guys I mean the internals team..
Aug 28 22:53:33 <summatusmentis> Domingan_TP: I honestly don't care what they do with their devices
Aug 28 22:53:37 <directhex> Domingan_TP: i don't see the appeal of running android on a touchpad. or a tablet in general
Aug 28 22:53:40 <summatusmentis> but I don't see why they would
Aug 28 22:53:40 <directhex> what's the point?
Aug 28 22:54:15 <HattCzech> PatrickC: did you get eclipse running on yours?
Aug 28 22:54:29 <Domingan_TP> don't get me wrong.. I am an original launch day pre owner and a Franken pre now...
Aug 28 22:54:35 <PatrickC> HattCzech: I decided I don't need an IDE
Aug 28 22:54:44 <Domingan_TP> just wondering if they reached out to you guys...
Aug 28 22:55:23 <HattCzech> i was planning to use it to package on the device
Aug 28 22:55:31 <HattCzech> figured eclipse could work :)
Aug 28 22:55:41 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 28 22:55:46 <summatusmentis> I think rwhitby (based on twitter) has been watching what they do, and working with some of them, either to try and watch if they're doing illegal things, or perhaps giving them some pointers every now and again
Aug 28 22:55:50 <PatrickC> didn't try it on the phone :)
Aug 28 22:56:09 <summatusmentis> I don't believe webos-internals really has any partnerships directly though
Aug 28 22:56:32 <directhex> summatusmentis: are they still claiming that android 2.2.1 with qualcomm secret sauce is "my exclusive IP" on some random forum? that was lulzy
Aug 28 22:56:43 <summatusmentis> I have no idea
Aug 28 22:56:44 <Tanuki> from what ive read there's dev working in the background getting things done in private
Aug 28 22:56:50 <summatusmentis> I honestly don't follow them, because I don't care
Aug 28 22:57:02 <Domingan_TP> I am in the touchdown room just reading and if they put 1/10th of the effort in to porting apps or other stuff... just doesn't make sense... everyone says its better why not just adapt to it vs trying to port somethingne,se....
Aug 28 22:57:12 <Tanuki> the people you hear from are unlikely to be the ones you'll see an android release from
Aug 28 22:58:19 <summatusmentis> it feels like android is becoming the quake of new devices
Aug 28 22:58:29 <summatusmentis> "let's put it on everything as a PoC"
Aug 28 22:58:51 <steffen-> lets port netbsd to the touchpad :P
Aug 28 22:58:55 <Domingan_TP> quake?
Aug 28 22:58:58 <Dr_Drache> lol
Aug 28 22:59:02 <Dr_Drache> you guys are funny
Aug 28 22:59:04 <HattCzech> quake has been done
Aug 28 22:59:04 <Dr_Drache> :P
Aug 28 22:59:16 <summatusmentis> HattCzech: it has, but that's the point
Aug 28 22:59:19 <Domingan_TP> what are you talking about I play quan
Aug 28 22:59:30 <Domingan_TP> quake on my pre all the ti e
Aug 28 22:59:42 <HattCzech> so shouldn't android be on that list?
Aug 28 22:59:46 <Tanuki> IbrahimA, summatusmentis: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/ReleaseProcess
Aug 28 22:59:52 <Dr_Drache> sooooo
Aug 28 23:00:05 <Dr_Drache> i love how you hate on android
Aug 28 23:00:07 <HattCzech> (based on those few test devices that made it out)
Aug 28 23:00:09 <Tanuki> it's still merged from Debian at the start of every release but they no longer mention the distro
Aug 28 23:00:33 <Tanuki> (I swear it used to say unstable, but it may have said testing…it now doesn't say)
Aug 28 23:01:05 <IbrahimA> oh lol
Aug 28 23:01:21 <summatusmentis> Domingan_TP: quake is sort of the "let's see if we can make it work" thing for embedded OSs, because it usually indicates that the developers have gotten filesystem/admin access
Aug 28 23:01:58 <IbrahimA> to be honest, i've used android for a year and webos for 3 days and i would say webos is much better designed for tablets at least
Aug 28 23:02:02 <summatusmentis> Domingan_TP: so my only point is, android feels like "let's put it on every device eer"
Aug 28 23:02:16 <IbrahimA> but i would love to have access to android apps on my touchpad
Aug 28 23:02:27 <Dr_Drache> IbrahimA, that means you've used honeycomb?
Aug 28 23:02:33 <IbrahimA> oh no, i have not
Aug 28 23:02:37 <summatusmentis> even android3, which was designed for tablets, seems not nearly complete
Aug 28 23:02:42 <Dr_Drache> then you have no clue
Aug 28 23:02:46 <IbrahimA> lol
Aug 28 23:02:51 <summatusmentis> and the touchdroid people are porting 2.2
Aug 28 23:02:54 <IbrahimA> perhaps
Aug 28 23:03:10 <Dr_Drache> summatusmentis, for a base, then we are going right to 2.3.5
Aug 28 23:03:21 <cyclic> drobbins: If you still have issues getting the upstart script for OpenSSH to work, I have updated the wiki with the fix:  http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH#Generate_Keys_from_Mac_OSX_Method_.28tested_with_Lion.29
Aug 28 23:03:34 <summatusmentis> Dr_Drache: it's still an OS designed for phones
Aug 28 23:03:48 <Domingan_TP> ahh ok
Aug 28 23:03:55 <Dr_Drache> summatusmentis, and webOS isn't?
Aug 28 23:04:00 <IbrahimA> android doesn't have nearly the polish that webos does
Aug 28 23:04:12 <IbrahimA> when i saw pivot in the app catalog i was floored lol
Aug 28 23:04:16 <Dr_Drache> it also doesn't have the death it just had eather
Aug 28 23:04:35 <IbrahimA> if google bothered to do that it would be a lot nicer
Aug 28 23:04:41 <summatusmentis> Dr_Drache: 3.0 is not, and webOS as an OS, feels much more suited for multiple types of platforms
Aug 28 23:04:42 <IbrahimA> although new market is a nice improvement
Aug 28 23:05:00 <summatusmentis> Dr_Drache: webOS was not killed, only the hardware was
Aug 28 23:05:10 <halfhalo> yup
Aug 28 23:05:13 <IbrahimA> it's only a matter of time realisitically though
Aug 28 23:05:22 <summatusmentis> I have no ill-will towards those interested in putting android on the TouchPad
Aug 28 23:05:24 * halfhalo has faith
Aug 28 23:05:26 <summatusmentis> I just don't understand why
Aug 28 23:05:30 <Dr_Drache> summatusmentis, so, you KNOW the differnece that are on 3.0 over 2.3.x then tight?
Aug 28 23:05:32 <IbrahimA> unless hp does end up putting it on laptops, but they said they're spinning off their PC division too
Aug 28 23:05:55 <dwc-> I'd rather chroot the android userspace and get access to the apps
Aug 28 23:06:00 <summatusmentis> Dr_Drache: I have played with both 3.0 and 2.3.x version of android, if that's what you're asking
Aug 28 23:06:23 <Dr_Drache> played with, or acually know?
Aug 28 23:06:30 <summatusmentis> define actually know
Aug 28 23:06:36 <Tanuki> android 3.x is a huge imporvement (for tablets) on 2.3.x
Aug 28 23:06:44 <summatusmentis> huge improvement, sure
Aug 28 23:06:56 <Dr_Drache> what's ACUALLY changed
Aug 28 23:06:58 <Tanuki> 'they' are talking about starting with 2.3.x since thats the only open source version out there at the moment
Aug 28 23:06:58 <summatusmentis> I would argue still not as usable as webOS 3.0
Aug 28 23:07:10 <Tanuki> summatusmentis: i would agree
Aug 28 23:07:16 <summatusmentis> Dr_Drache: between 2.3 and 3.0? there have been significant UI changes
Aug 28 23:07:20 <summatusmentis> at the very least
Aug 28 23:07:29 <Dr_Drache> the cards do make webOS better in that reguard
Aug 28 23:07:33 <Tanuki> android 'honeycomb/3.x' isnt up to scratch, and thats why it's not and may never be, open source
Aug 28 23:07:40 <Dr_Drache> summatusmentis, a UI? you know that's bee backported.
Aug 28 23:07:53 <IbrahimA> yeah i hope ICS adds a cards style multitasking system
Aug 28 23:08:06 <Dr_Drache> i have a problem with webOS personally though
Aug 28 23:08:13 <Tanuki> google has always said Ice Cream Sandwich (version unknown) will be the next open source version, and as it'll be another 8months of development on from honeycomb i expect it'll be another be jumnp in usability
Aug 28 23:08:16 <Dr_Drache> they multitasking, is not really good.
Aug 28 23:08:30 <Dr_Drache> Tanuki, it's out in like 3 months
Aug 28 23:08:44 <Tanuki> Dr_Drache: im not sure what point you're making :)
Aug 28 23:08:51 <IbrahimA> what do you mean not good? in my experience it's better than my phone altho i guess the touchpad has more RAM
Aug 28 23:08:51 <Tanuki> count the months since honeycomb :)
Aug 28 23:08:51 <cyclic> hrrm
Aug 28 23:09:04 <Tanuki> 3+5=???
Aug 28 23:09:15 <Dr_Drache> not good, as in, when i switch apps, other apps sleep.
Aug 28 23:09:26 <summatusmentis> why is that good?
Aug 28 23:09:28 <HattCzech> where's the default login for chroot? i don't want it to be root
Aug 28 23:09:32 <Dr_Drache> that's not good.
Aug 28 23:09:32 <summatusmentis> what if I want my other apps running?
Aug 28 23:09:44 <dwc-> check /etc/passwd?
Aug 28 23:09:46 <Dr_Drache> summatusmentis, that's what is happening on my TP.
Aug 28 23:09:49 <Dr_Drache> they sleep.
Aug 28 23:09:49 <summatusmentis> why is switching apps and having others sleep a good thing
Aug 28 23:09:55 <IbrahimA> Dr_Drache: that doesnt seem to happen to me
Aug 28 23:10:00 <Dr_Drache> summatusmentis, you tell me, webOS does it for me
Aug 28 23:10:08 <summatusmentis> you're not being clear at all
Aug 28 23:10:10 <IbrahimA> i can have a flash video playing in a browser while in another card
Aug 28 23:10:11 <Dr_Drache> webpages WON'T load unless i switch to that card
Aug 28 23:10:22 <Dr_Drache> summatusmentis, your not reading at all.
Aug 28 23:10:49 <RMind> Dr_Drache: that's not an os thing
Aug 28 23:11:02 <Dr_Drache> RMind, ohh, what controls app sleep?
Aug 28 23:11:02 * summatusmentis goes to get work done
Aug 28 23:11:24 <HattCzech> dwc-: i see the users in there...
Aug 28 23:11:32 <Dr_Drache> maybe i'm completely off my rocker...
Aug 28 23:11:34 <summatusmentis> Dr_Drache: you're entitled to your opinions about android, and for your sake, I hope you get android running
Aug 28 23:11:38 <HattCzech> but i'm not sure how the chroot know who to login as
Aug 28 23:12:05 <Dr_Drache> i'm enjoying my webOS, doesn't mean i shouldn't port android.
Aug 28 23:12:14 <summatusmentis> I don't disagree
Aug 28 23:12:28 <summatusmentis> I just don't understand why, but that's ok
Aug 28 23:12:32 <summatusmentis> I don't need to
Aug 28 23:12:55 <Dr_Drache> RMind, what controls the multitasking sleep, if it's not the OS?
Aug 28 23:13:06 <summatusmentis> in some ways I wish those porting android would put their efforts towards webos-internals work and make webOS even better
Aug 28 23:13:15 <IbrahimA> it's possible that's just something the browser does
Aug 28 23:13:22 <summatusmentis> but the android-porters get to decide what they do with their time
Aug 28 23:13:24 <IbrahimA> it definitely doesnt sleep when playing flash videos
Aug 28 23:13:43 <IbrahimA> as evidenced by sound from the video
Aug 28 23:13:44 <Dr_Drache> summatusmentis, you have full source for webOS?
Aug 28 23:13:54 * Domingan_TP My WebOS is better than your Ice Cream Sandwich
Aug 28 23:14:11 <summatusmentis> Dr_Drache: not full source, no
Aug 28 23:14:21 <summatusmentis> but I can read most of the OS source
Aug 28 23:14:21 <IbrahimA> hard to say when one isn't available and hasn't really been seen...
Aug 28 23:14:45 <Dr_Drache> summatusmentis, that's one good reason for android. we have source :P
Aug 28 23:14:45 <summatusmentis> and I'm free to redistribue portions of it
Aug 28 23:14:53 <summatusmentis> we have source for most of webOS
Aug 28 23:15:02 <summatusmentis> it's just not open source
Aug 28 23:15:04 <acydlord> Dr_Drache: there is more webos source available than droid source
Aug 28 23:15:11 <summatusmentis> acydlord: that's not really true
Aug 28 23:15:15 <IbrahimA> hmm is gnome just too slow to run on the touchpad
Aug 28 23:15:19 <acydlord> well the opensource stuff
Aug 28 23:15:19 <Dr_Drache> acydlord, why do i feel like your trolling?
Aug 28 23:15:41 <acydlord> Dr_Drache: i was referring to the opesource portions
Aug 28 23:15:48 <summatusmentis> acydlord: android is fully open source (if you ignore the non-open source, open source 3.0)
Aug 28 23:16:08 <IbrahimA> not to mention google apps lol
Aug 28 23:16:24 <summatusmentis> none of the HP provided apps are open source either though
Aug 28 23:16:31 <IbrahimA> mm
Aug 28 23:16:41 <IbrahimA> without google apps android is kind of boring
Aug 28 23:16:44 <summatusmentis> the source is accessible
Aug 28 23:16:48 <summatusmentis> but it's not open source
Aug 28 23:17:01 <Dr_Drache> IbrahimA, not really
Aug 28 23:17:16 <RMind> I'm pretty sure the web browser thing is just the wat the browser is set.  I've had lots of other apps that kept right on going whether or jot they had focus
Aug 28 23:17:35 <IbrahimA> eh, i feel like without market android is pretty much useless
Aug 28 23:17:38 <Dr_Drache> RMind, that's fine, that also means the browser is close to useless.
Aug 28 23:17:47 <Dr_Drache> IbrahimA, there are 3 markets
Aug 28 23:17:51 <IbrahimA> well
Aug 28 23:17:53 <IbrahimA> there are more than 3
Aug 28 23:18:05 <Dr_Drache> 3 worthwhile legal ones
Aug 28 23:18:06 <IbrahimA> but the google one is where most apps are
Aug 28 23:18:36 <IbrahimA> i feel like this discussion doesnt belong in this room anyway lol
Aug 28 23:18:44 <Dr_Drache> then stop talking.
Aug 28 23:18:45 <IbrahimA> has anyone tried running gnome on touchpad?
Aug 28 23:18:55 <cyclic> is xkbfile ported to arm?
Aug 28 23:19:10 <directhex> IbrahimA: i only gave 2G to my ext3 partition. clearly not enough for gnome ;)
Aug 28 23:19:19 <summatusmentis> enjoy your convseration all, I have stuff to do
Aug 28 23:19:20 <Dr_Drache> so, any browser projects/IM projects out there?
Aug 28 23:19:27 <IbrahimA> i put 4GB not sure if that's enough
Aug 28 23:19:37 <Dr_Drache> other than the clearly not advanced, advanced browser
Aug 28 23:20:26 <acydlord> i think all i'm going to do to IM is apply my timestamp tweaks to it if i can, i hate the damn divider timestamps
Aug 28 23:21:23 <joe__> hi
Aug 28 23:21:33 <Dr_Drache> no IM apps, just syngery patches?
Aug 28 23:21:52 <acydlord> just a patch to the palm messaging app
Aug 28 23:22:07 <acydlord> i like the way it works well enough not to add a new client in
Aug 28 23:22:30 <Dr_Drache> that works on 3.0.2 yet?
Aug 28 23:22:40 <Tanuki> is there any alternate browsers for webos?
Aug 28 23:23:08 <Dr_Drache> Tanuki, only one.
Aug 28 23:23:15 <Dr_Drache> but it's just a tweaked stock
Aug 28 23:23:21 <summatusmentis> that's not true
Aug 28 23:23:22 <acydlord> what works on 3.0.2 yet?
Aug 28 23:23:33 <IbrahimA> i see two in the catalog right now
Aug 28 23:23:37 <summatusmentis> Universe browser is different entirely, I believe
Aug 28 23:23:45 <Dr_Drache> summatusmentis, i didn't see that
Aug 28 23:23:50 <Tanuki> i ask because the way the stock one doesnt go back to the point on the previous page i was at before i tapped a link drives me mad
Aug 28 23:24:04 <Tanuki> especially if the previous page was something like a long reddit comments page
Aug 28 23:24:18 <IbrahimA> haha yeah
Aug 28 23:24:20 <acydlord> Tanuki: not a fan of the reddit apps?
Aug 28 23:24:29 <IbrahimA> i havent seen a good reddit app
Aug 28 23:24:37 <Tanuki> acydlord: the one ive used only seems to show one page?
Aug 28 23:24:37 <IbrahimA> red it is kind of half done
Aug 28 23:24:37 <acydlord> red it is half decent
Aug 28 23:24:44 <summatusmentis> only half
Aug 28 23:24:45 <IbrahimA> yeah that
Aug 28 23:25:15 <Dr_Drache> is universe free?
Aug 28 23:25:16 <Tanuki> acydlord: but thats not really the point, reddit isnt the only website with long pages full of links ;)
Aug 28 23:25:22 <acydlord> i wish the guy who did bacon reader would do a webos version
Aug 28 23:25:24 <IbrahimA> nope
Aug 28 23:25:33 <IbrahimA> the mobile site is decent
Aug 28 23:25:35 <joe__> how can i download free apps using preware
Aug 28 23:25:39 <IbrahimA> err, mobile version of reddit
Aug 28 23:25:42 <acydlord> Tanuki: yeah, it's annoying to say the least
Aug 28 23:25:49 <joe__> how can i download free apps using preware
Aug 28 23:25:51 <joe__> how can i download free apps using preware
Aug 28 23:25:52 <joe__> how can i download free apps using preware
Aug 28 23:25:54 <cyclic> would this feed work for the touchpad?
Aug 28 23:25:55 <cyclic> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv7a/base/
Aug 28 23:25:56 <IbrahimA> download preware
Aug 28 23:25:58 <IbrahimA> install apps
Aug 28 23:26:00 <dwc-> /kick joe__
Aug 28 23:26:00 <dwc-> /kick joe__
Aug 28 23:26:08 <Tanuki> also, tabbed broswing would be nice, but now i'm nitpicking ;)
Aug 28 23:26:18 <Tanuki> someone should just port chrome and i'd be happy :D
Aug 28 23:26:30 <IbrahimA> i think it's kind of nice that it works with the card system, dunno
Aug 28 23:26:32 <summatusmentis> you're ignoring the premise of cards
Aug 28 23:26:34 <cyclic> dwc-: any idea of the angstrom-distribution.org feeds would work?  http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv7a/base/
Aug 28 23:26:39 <Dr_Drache> i wish there were decent free apps in the catalog
Aug 28 23:26:49 <joe__> how can i download free apps using preware
Aug 28 23:26:51 <Tanuki> i love the card system
Aug 28 23:26:58 <summatusmentis> most of the apps I use are free from the catalog
Aug 28 23:27:01 <halfhalo> joe__: you mean pirated apps?
Aug 28 23:27:05 <Tanuki> i'd just prefer tabs in the broswer - then i could watch page load progress while reading a different page
Aug 28 23:27:23 <joe__> like the ones that u can get at the app store
Aug 28 23:27:40 <Dr_Drache> summatusmentis, the browsers arn't. oh well... i'll see what i can do, i'm a fixed income person
Aug 28 23:27:48 <halfhalo> joe__: you can't.
Aug 28 23:28:02 <joe__> than whts the point of preware
Aug 28 23:28:12 <Tanuki> ok, time to go to work
Aug 28 23:28:23 <RMind> installing legal free sfuff and patches
Aug 28 23:28:26 <dwc-> cyclic: armv7a should work, I think... not certain.
Aug 28 23:28:30 <halfhalo> it has other/open source apps and whatnot in it.
Aug 28 23:29:33 <cyclic> dwc-: once I get a package, how can I add it to my development environment as a dependency?
Aug 28 23:29:44 <cyclic> so it's in the path
Aug 28 23:30:25 <dwc-> depends on where it installs the packages
Aug 28 23:30:57 <cyclic> oh you mean it has to be in the staging area?
Aug 28 23:31:14 <cyclic> or the package would have to automatically install to the staging area?
Aug 28 23:33:06 <dwc-> you'd have to extract the files somewhere and point your dev tools or system config at it
Aug 28 23:34:07 <cyclic> Well, the sb2 stuff using a staging area, if I extract them to a temp place, then drop them into the right folders in the SB2 staging area, would that work?
Aug 29 00:03:29 <Abyssul> Ive always wondered in these donation rallys for webOS Internals. Is the actual amount donated higher or lower than what the webthon reports...
Aug 29 00:07:20 <Dr_Drache> so
Aug 29 00:15:16 <Dr_Drache> ok
Aug 29 00:15:47 <Dr_Drache> is there a way to backup my touch, so i can redoctor for chroot, and yet not lose anything?
Aug 29 00:16:00 <Abyssul> Backup what part?
Aug 29 00:16:19 <rwhitby> Abyssul: there are usually some anonymous donations, but PayPal fees deducted are not included in the reported total, so it often balances out.
Aug 29 00:16:48 <Abyssul> rwhitby, glad to know. Just didnt know if some people were making false claims so they could get the HB supporter badge
Aug 29 00:17:05 <Dr_Drache> Abyssul, pretty much everything
Aug 29 00:17:23 <Abyssul> I've heard using http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Backing_Up_via_Rsync might work
Aug 29 00:17:30 <Abyssul> The instructions are old though
Aug 29 00:17:37 <Abyssul> Maybe there is a better and newer method
Aug 29 00:17:47 <cyclic> rwhitby!
Aug 29 00:17:59 <rwhitby> Abyssul: I follow the claims along with the emails I get from PayPal.
Aug 29 00:18:14 <Framework> The app store makes me cry ;(
Aug 29 00:18:22 <Abyssul> rwhitby, each and every one? o.O thats a looottt
Aug 29 00:18:24 <Dr_Drache> Framework, you too?
Aug 29 00:18:44 <Abyssul> Catalog errors out on my occasionally
Aug 29 00:18:51 <cyclic> I am trying to figure out how to get this existing package libxkbfile-dev_1.0.5-r1.1_armv7a.ipk into my sb2 build environment.  Any ideas?
Aug 29 00:18:54 <Framework> I just want an android app emulator, and Im happy
Aug 29 00:19:05 <cyclic> rwhitby: from here http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv7a/base/
Aug 29 00:19:06 <rwhitby> Abyssul: the notification from the forum of the post, and the notification from PayPal usually line up pretty well, so it's just a matter of deleting two emails to verify.
Aug 29 00:19:32 <Abyssul> Ohhhh nice system. :p
Aug 29 00:24:55 <Abyssul> Did we ever find out why Palm put support for "iPhone OS-specific gesture feature" code
Aug 29 00:27:24 <rwhitby> cyclic: I'm not sure grabbing angstrom packages and trying to splice them into a build environment is a good idea - who suggested that?
Aug 29 00:28:23 <cyclic> oh no one, I just was wondering if it would work. I can get the source for it but when I make it, where should I place the sources to get started?
Aug 29 00:30:51 <cyclic> I am just wondering how the files get staged, or how to stage them, so when I make the library and stage it, my main project will pick it up when I run configure
Aug 29 00:32:00 <roadkill> rwhitby: Funny how full public disclosure has a way of keeping things proper. *ahem*
Aug 29 00:32:50 <rwhitby> yup
Aug 29 00:32:56 <Dr_Drache> lonewulftb, we don't like your kind here
Aug 29 00:33:16 <Dr_Drache> :P
Aug 29 00:33:26 * Abyssul wobbles
Aug 29 00:33:28 <rwhitby> Dr_Drache: g'day.  are you intending to develop for WebOS ?
Aug 29 00:33:41 <Dr_Drache> i'm looking into it
Aug 29 00:34:07 <lonewulftb> DrDache, ouch, that was harsh man
Aug 29 00:34:14 <lonewulftb> :D
Aug 29 00:34:16 <Abyssul> Dr_Drache, arnt you that android dev?
Aug 29 00:34:23 <lonewulftb> Lol
Aug 29 00:34:37 <drobbins> well vim compiled
Aug 29 00:34:42 <drobbins> this snapdragon S3 is pretty peppy
Aug 29 00:35:01 <drobbins> baby steps
Aug 29 00:35:13 <drobbins> who
Aug 29 00:35:15 <drobbins> oops
Aug 29 00:35:18 <drobbins> ;)
Aug 29 00:36:44 <rwhitby> A reminder to new folks in the channel.  Comparisons of webOS and other mobile OS's are off-topic, unless it is directly related to WebOS Internals activities or apps.
Aug 29 00:37:13 <rwhitby> Make sure you're not the person who is gate-crashing a funeral and shouting out how slack the dead guy was, or asking about how the coffin was built.
Aug 29 00:37:34 <drobbins> but that's the fun part
Aug 29 00:37:58 <drobbins> ok, ok
Aug 29 00:37:58 <cyclic> ah interesting
Aug 29 00:38:30 <drobbins> it's also inappropriate to compare WebOS to the Amiga
Aug 29 00:38:36 <drobbins> ;)
Aug 29 00:39:02 <Abyssul> This nice casket comes in a nice velvet color which matches nicely with the WebOS feel...
Aug 29 00:39:14 <Abyssul> I used the word nice 3 times
Aug 29 00:39:19 <drobbins> nice!
Aug 29 00:39:24 <Abyssul> ^.^
Aug 29 00:39:41 <Abyssul> rwhitby, should put that in the topic
Aug 29 00:39:53 <drobbins> there's velvet on the inside of my HP TouchPad case....
Aug 29 00:40:02 <drobbins> but it's not going to be buried any time soon
Aug 29 00:40:08 <rwhitby> Abyssul: I hope that other regular folks in the channel will politely remind new folks of that analogy when they see things going off-topic.
Aug 29 00:40:27 <frustrated> anyone around?
Aug 29 00:40:31 <drobbins> yep
Aug 29 00:41:14 <frustrated> I was here earlier today getting help installing the Ubuntu chroot on my tablet,  successfully resolved that problem by downloading and installing it manually
Aug 29 00:41:43 <frustrated> but then i tried to install xfce and now (though i havent restarted yet) I seem to have lost access to my keyboard...
Aug 29 00:41:53 <frustrated> but in all cards, not just the xterm
Aug 29 00:43:07 <SuperPhly> Alright, so I'd like to take a stab at some of the init files for X on webos
Aug 29 00:43:21 <drobbins> frustrated: what keyboard do you have?
Aug 29 00:43:30 <SuperPhly> Where on the device does the "starts" script live and the x11 conf files
Aug 29 00:43:44 <drobbins>  /etc/event.d and /var/palm/event.d
Aug 29 00:43:47 <drobbins> SuperPhly: ^
Aug 29 00:43:57 <SuperPhly> odd, not familiar with event.d
Aug 29 00:44:00 <SuperPhly> i'll go read
Aug 29 00:44:02 <drobbins> for X11 conf, rwhitby would know
Aug 29 00:44:11 <Dr_Drache> Abyssul, yes, i am an android dev
Aug 29 00:44:17 <Dr_Drache> doesn't mean i can't dev here
Aug 29 00:44:19 <frustrated> just using the on screen, i thought i had seen that was possible... is bluetooth keyboard still required?
Aug 29 00:44:36 <SuperPhly> ah, this is that new startup script stuff debian is using
Aug 29 00:44:42 <cyclic> weird
Aug 29 00:45:06 <cyclic> The certificate of `cdn.downloads.palm.com' hasn't got a known issuer when I try to wget https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/3.0.0.643/sdkBinaries/Palm_webOS_SDK.3.0.0.643.dmg with make
Aug 29 00:45:07 <drobbins> SuperPhly: quick summary: cmdline is "start <job>, stop <job>, initctl something to list all jobs and their status"
Aug 29 00:45:30 <drobbins> frustrated: ah, just the on-screen
Aug 29 00:45:34 <drobbins> frustrated: no, not required.
Aug 29 00:45:50 <SuperPhly> wow, so "start" is now a script? that's a bold command name to reserve, but makes sense
Aug 29 00:45:54 <drobbins> frustrated: with an apple bt keyboard, certain keys like uparrow mess up the X input right now
Aug 29 00:46:08 <rwhitby> SuperPhly: dtzWill is who you want to speak with.
Aug 29 00:46:22 <drobbins> SuperPhly: yeah, the author of upstart has some ego
Aug 29 00:46:24 <Dr_Drache> ok
Aug 29 00:46:36 <drobbins> SuperPhly: they also changed the default Linux filesystem layout to accomodate upstart
Aug 29 00:46:37 <Dr_Drache> i got a problem, with JSTop
Aug 29 00:46:37 <Abyssul> dtzwill is away
Aug 29 00:46:41 <dtzWill> SuperPhly: this is a discussion i'd *love* to have, and especially love to have help on.
Aug 29 00:46:52 <dtzWill> SuperPhly: but unfortunateyl I gotta run. will you be around later/tomorrow?
Aug 29 00:46:56 <Abyssul> Nooo you wernt supposed to come out
Aug 29 00:47:07 <dtzWill> xD
Aug 29 00:47:09 <lonewulftb> Dr_Reached, just told the wife about your piranaha Sp* story...freaked her out a lil
Aug 29 00:47:13 <dtzWill> Abyssul: appreciate you running interference hehe
Aug 29 00:47:13 <SuperPhly> yeah, i'm in CST but i stay up all night and sleep during the day
Aug 29 00:47:18 <drobbins> SuperPhly: they added a /run to the filesystem heirarchy
Aug 29 00:47:25 <lonewulftb> Dr_Drache
Aug 29 00:47:27 <drobbins> SuperPhly: then convinced udev to support it.
Aug 29 00:47:37 <dtzWill> SuperPhly: okay. pm me all you want if you have thoughst/ideas to share, else hopefully we'll catch each other later.
Aug 29 00:47:39 <SuperPhly> drobbins: been a while since i kept up with that stuff.
Aug 29 00:47:40 <Dr_Drache> 2 webOS "features" i'd like to talk about that i am sure is my fault
Aug 29 00:47:46 <SuperPhly> dtzWill: will do.
Aug 29 00:47:56 <SuperPhly> dtzWill: may need some help with basic things
Aug 29 00:47:58 <drobbins> gotta run bbl
Aug 29 00:48:13 <dtzWill> short answer is there are no init scripts, it's all either built into the x server, or managed by xecutah/the launcher scripts (org.webosinternals.xserver/*.sh, org.webosintenals.xterm/*.sh, etc)
Aug 29 00:48:31 <dtzWill> well i guess those are then the init scripts, but it's not like the x init scripst people are generally used to
Aug 29 00:48:39 <dtzWill> anyway ireally gotta go, gl/take care and all that.
Aug 29 00:50:13 <Dr_Drache> 1. i read JSTop is a good thing to have on auto, but it keeps waking my device? config issue?
Aug 29 00:50:25 <frustrated> hmm, so restart fixed the keyboard, but is there a trick to starting xfce?  i try startx and first i get that i have to remove .X0-lock, and now that i've done that, it still says SocketCreateListener failed server already running yadda yadda
Aug 29 00:50:38 <frustrated> hmm =c(
Aug 29 00:52:43 <Abyssul> jstop is nothing. a placebo
Aug 29 00:52:56 <Dr_Drache> Abyssul, awsome, removing then
Aug 29 00:53:16 <Abyssul> If its turning on your phone, dont bother
Aug 29 00:53:19 <Dr_Drache> also, there are some apps that work "ok" but are inside a sudo phone screen.
Aug 29 00:53:41 <Dr_Drache> current way to fix? or just deal?
Aug 29 00:54:30 <Abyssul> Dr_Drache, those are phone apps
Aug 29 00:55:02 <Abyssul> Dr_Drache, They are apps that havnt been updated to Touchpad, but work pretty much like normal in the emulator
Aug 29 00:55:16 <Dr_Drache> Abyssul, well, that is sucky, that means the app catalog has even LESS that i want :P
Aug 29 00:55:19 <Abyssul> If you know how to code, you can make them full screen
Aug 29 00:55:36 <Abyssul> Dr_Drache, same as android. You have tablet apps, then you have phone apps.
Aug 29 00:56:07 <Dr_Drache> Abyssul, not the same, but whatever, that "if you know how to code" line is very off-base.
Aug 29 00:56:21 <Dr_Drache> don't try to belittle me
Aug 29 00:56:39 <Abyssul> I dont know how capable you are with Webos style coding
Aug 29 00:56:45 <Abyssul> Not trying to belittle you
Aug 29 00:58:25 <Dr_Drache> really, i guess i was asking if their is a patch out yet.
Aug 29 00:58:54 <Dr_Drache> seince, quite a few apps that i find i need on a tablet need it
Aug 29 01:01:01 <Abyssul> Looks at http://www.precentral.net/developer-how-to-mojo-apps-touchpad and http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-apps/290402-touchpad-hd-patches.html
Aug 29 01:01:51 <Dr_Drache> thanks
Aug 29 01:02:44 <Abyssul> Simple as a single attribute in the .json file and adding back buttons if the app is coded right
Aug 29 01:03:37 <dtzWill> frustrated: you shouldn't be having issues with .X0-lock--what causes those issues for you?
Aug 29 01:04:33 <frustrated> I used apt-get install xubuntu to install xfce, then when i restarted due to lost keyboard, now i have the keyboard back, but cant seem to get xfce to start
Aug 29 01:09:49 * Abyssul bows before Oil
Aug 29 01:10:21 <Domingan_TP> who doest?
Aug 29 01:11:16 <oil_pre> ohh
Aug 29 01:11:38 * halfhalo laughs
Aug 29 01:11:39 <Domingan_TP> doesn't *
Aug 29 01:11:52 <wrea> Is there the kernel .config for 3.0.2 posted anywhere?
Aug 29 01:12:27 * dwc- bites his thumb at oil, personally
Aug 29 01:13:02 <EdsTP> my Ubuntu chroot download keeps getting stuck
Aug 29 01:13:51 <booto> wrea: you can grab it from in your /boot/ dir... I think there's also /proc/config.gz or something
Aug 29 01:14:44 <wrea> Thanks booto
Aug 29 01:16:29 * Domingan_TP is wondering how hard it would be to patch the BT on the TP so you could sync other phones, not just webOS ones...
Aug 29 01:21:07 <dwc-> you can sync to other phones, afaik
Aug 29 01:22:46 <dtzWill> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=drawing+of+hp+touchpad&_sacat=0&_sop=15&_dmpt=US_Tablets& <-- LOL
Aug 29 01:23:49 <roadkill> Copycats trying to get themselves ripped off?
Aug 29 01:24:11 <dragoon> lol
Aug 29 01:24:51 <roadkill> The only reason bids are getting that high is because people are trolling back by making the auction cost the seller a lot for the listing fees.
Aug 29 01:25:56 <roadkill> So now a "broke college student" is going to have to pay listing percentages on $99k
Aug 29 01:26:03 <roadkill> Whether or not he gets paid.
Aug 29 01:55:31 <Ironsight> yeah, no one is going to pay 90k for that, he's a fool if he EVER thought otherwise
Aug 29 01:58:55 <SuperPhly> Where can I find the ssh private key?
Aug 29 02:00:01 <Ironsight> Can't tell you, it's private
Aug 29 02:00:07 <Ironsight> :)
Aug 29 02:05:00 <SuperPhly> Ironsight: durrrrr ;)
Aug 29 02:05:13 <Ironsight> lulz
Aug 29 02:05:37 <Ironsight> you should be able to ask though in like #ssh since it's linux
Aug 29 02:06:21 <Ironsight> or maybe someone in #webos knows
Aug 29 02:06:39 <rrix> ~/.ssh/
Aug 29 02:10:45 <Commie-sama> Hey guys, I'm trying to get Ubuntu on my touchpad, and I've been running into snags the whole way.. I've got through most of them, but this one I can't figure out : /
Aug 29 02:10:57 <Commie-sama> Anyone on willing to help?
Aug 29 02:11:08 <shleppy> just ask ur question, im sure someone will respond
Aug 29 02:12:50 <Commie-sama> oookkk... I'm at the part where I'm editing the fstab file to set it up to mount at bootup, and when I do the mount -a command I get this:
Aug 29 02:12:53 <Commie-sama> mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs on /media/ext3fs failed: No such file or directory
Aug 29 02:15:40 <pezman726> sup y'all
Aug 29 02:18:25 <dwc-> commie... which of the two doesn't exist?
Aug 29 02:19:05 <Commie-sama> idk, both of them are there!
Aug 29 02:19:05 <Commie-sama> lol
Aug 29 02:19:45 <Commie-sama> That's why I'm stumped : /
Aug 29 02:21:33 <Commie-sama> Closed the wrong tab...
Aug 29 02:21:37 <Commie-sama> >_>
Aug 29 02:21:58 <HattCzech> anyone know how to change the resolution of chromium-browser in ubuntu chroot?
Aug 29 02:22:35 <NuttyBunny> Commie-sama: you did the fstab line wtong
Aug 29 02:22:40 <NuttyBunny> wrong
Aug 29 02:23:21 <Commie-sama> I've been following a few guides.. idk what about it is wrong though
Aug 29 02:23:51 <Commie-sama> I've attempted to do it a couple of times, actually, and I get multiple of those error messages
Aug 29 02:26:04 <HattCzech> Commie-sama: did you copy and paste that command?
Aug 29 02:26:55 <Commie-sama> Er, no, but considering I typed it out 3 times and they were apparently all the same thing... XD
Aug 29 02:27:04 <HattCzech> hmmm :)
Aug 29 02:27:33 <HattCzech> so you were able to doctor your device and that all worked?
Aug 29 02:28:24 <dwc-> ls -l /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs /media/ext3fs
Aug 29 02:28:30 <Commie-sama> mhm
Aug 29 02:28:41 <Commie-sama> I ran into a bunch of crap, though.. just stuff not working
Aug 29 02:28:42 <dwc-> also df -k /media/ext3fs
Aug 29 02:28:46 <Commie-sama> but I got this far!
Aug 29 02:28:51 <dwc-> actually make the first one ls -ld
Aug 29 02:29:34 <HattCzech> what kind of crap? what didn't work? i had no issues with the doctor... so that sounds troublesome
Aug 29 02:30:11 <Commie-sama> Well, the main thing that wouldn't work for me was getting the thing to recognize my tablet, but I got that figured out and it doctored fine
Aug 29 02:31:21 <Commie-sama> @dwc the first command gave me this: /bin/sh: ld: not found
Aug 29 02:31:27 <Commie-sama> that's with ld, btw
Aug 29 02:31:43 <dwc-> ls -ld
Aug 29 02:31:52 <Commie-sama> ooohhhh
Aug 29 02:31:57 <Commie-sama> totally read it wrong
Aug 29 02:31:58 <Commie-sama> haha
Aug 29 02:32:50 <Commie-sama> ls: /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs: No such file or directory drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root          4096 Aug 28 21:21 /media/ext3fs
Aug 29 02:33:05 <Commie-sama> first one
Aug 29 02:33:21 <dwc-> so, youa re missing the ext3fs then
Aug 29 02:33:37 <dwc-> since you said you had errors in the doctor... that probably means it didn't get created
Aug 29 02:33:50 <Commie-sama> Like... when I changed the makefile, it didn't go through?
Aug 29 02:33:56 <Commie-sama> Oh
Aug 29 02:34:01 <dwc-> or your doctor failed, one of the two
Aug 29 02:35:02 <Commie-sama> Hmmm
Aug 29 02:35:09 <Commie-sama> Well, I think was having an issue with novacom
Aug 29 02:35:23 <Commie-sama> which resulted in it not seeing my tablet
Aug 29 02:36:13 <Commie-sama> so I did some searching and figured out if I ran novacomd from a terminal, it saw it magically =D
Aug 29 02:36:55 <Commie-sama> That was the original problem
Aug 29 02:37:09 <Commie-sama> but I suppose that didn't fix it all the way either : /
Aug 29 02:38:03 <Commie-sama> Are there any problems that would be caused by running it this way, or should I just retry it?
Aug 29 02:43:25 <dwc-> run it from the command line (java -jar), save scrollback, and note any errors
Aug 29 02:47:40 <HattCzech> dwc-: would you happen to know where the config would be to change the resolution on chromium browser?
Aug 29 02:47:55 <dwc-> X11 app?
Aug 29 02:48:18 <dwc-> either get a window manager, or see if it responds to the standard -geometry parameters
Aug 29 02:48:21 <HattCzech> yeah, i believe so
Aug 29 02:49:26 <HattCzech> i installed it through the ubuntu chroot using apt-get
Aug 29 02:50:16 <HattCzech> the shell was through the ubuntu launch
Aug 29 02:51:08 <cyclic> dwc-:  is X11 in the optware packages?
Aug 29 02:51:23 <cyclic> for web os
Aug 29 02:52:17 <SuperPhly> I'm trying to get Xwindows to run under debian chroot, instead of in the webos environment. I've found the precompiled evtouch pkgs
Aug 29 02:52:32 <dwc-> cyclic: you have an X server running by the time you're launching the chroots
Aug 29 02:52:34 <SuperPhly> in order to run xsdl do I need to do anything fancy with luna?
Aug 29 02:52:42 <cyclic> no no
Aug 29 02:52:47 <cyclic> without chroot
Aug 29 02:53:17 <cyclic> preware stuff
Aug 29 02:53:20 <SuperPhly> or is there a "card" wrapper for luna?
Aug 29 02:53:32 <dwc-> dunno. seems like that replicates the work of the people who already got the X server running already outside of the chroot
Aug 29 02:54:41 <SuperPhly> dwc-: i agree, but i'm not very familiar with the xsdl stuff you have implemented in the webos environment. i'm looking for essentially an .xinitrc
Aug 29 02:54:47 <SuperPhly> if i had that, i'd be golden
Aug 29 02:55:15 <dwc-> I didn't implement it
Aug 29 02:55:18 <dwc-> so I don't know either
Aug 29 02:55:39 <dwc-> I would say look at their src repo
Aug 29 02:55:55 <SuperPhly> for that ipkg?
Aug 29 02:56:03 <SuperPhly> where would those src files live?
Aug 29 02:56:44 <dwc-> http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/testing/xserver/Makefile
Aug 29 02:57:00 <dwc-> that should point to the src repo
Aug 29 02:57:32 <rwhitby> SuperPhly: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels
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