**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 29 02:59:57 2011 Aug 29 03:10:08 rwhitby: in that doc, what goes into ? ln -s arm-2009q1 Aug 29 03:11:11 :/srv/preware/build/toolchain ? Aug 29 03:16:49 dwc-: at what point should the webos environment stop and let a chroot take over? Or is this a case of "quit messing with chroot and build the system for webos"? Aug 29 03:17:33 cyclic: if you have to ask that question, you shouldn't be doing that bit Aug 29 03:19:21 For the right channel... So, I meta doctored my touchpad to add the ext3fs part and now my wifi/networking isn't working Aug 29 03:19:26 Happened again, btw.. same error, same not found with the ls -ld command Aug 29 03:24:57 Maybe I'll figure it out tomorrow.. it's late here... thanks for the help! Aug 29 03:37:15 rwhitby: any ideas what would cause networking not to work for a just-meta doctor'd touchpad? Aug 29 03:37:25 nope Aug 29 03:37:31 works for everyone else Aug 29 03:37:41 hmm Aug 29 03:38:04 wtf happened <_< Aug 29 03:39:00 Lumiere: reset your AP Aug 29 03:39:21 SuperPhly: except I am on it successfully Aug 29 03:39:29 F4 Phantom kernel working nicely on teh touchpad! :) Aug 29 03:43:40 * Lumiere does it anyways Aug 29 03:44:48 ok so dns is failing Aug 29 03:45:21 Wasn't Lumiere the french candlestick in beauty and the beast Aug 29 03:46:04 yes, but not where the name comes from Aug 29 03:46:32 (It comes from the hacker ES member from kiddy grade) Aug 29 03:47:08 yo Aug 29 03:47:27 uNiXpSyChO: so, I know you don't want to hear this, but I am having issues with F4 cpu speed stuff. Aug 29 03:48:02 uNiXpSyChO: when applying settings in govnah, I'm getting "Unable to open /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor" Aug 29 03:49:02 wonder if it's an issue of not being plugged into the wall. Aug 29 03:49:40 Govnah hasn't been updated to support F4 yet Aug 29 03:49:56 ok Aug 29 03:50:22 strange how it worked before though. Aug 29 03:50:50 rwhitby: so I am noticing network issues. Aug 29 03:51:00 rwhitby: on the touchpad. I am emerging wireshark now to get a capture. Aug 29 03:51:17 basically, good high throughput and then it freezes for a few seconds. Aug 29 03:51:32 interesting. on all kernels, or just one? Aug 29 03:51:46 I think I have been experiencing the basic phenomenon on all kernels Aug 29 03:52:42 rwhitby: it may be some power management naughtiness Aug 29 03:53:11 does X11 get setup from the WIDK doc steps? Aug 29 03:54:29 rwhitby: that's the bad news. The good news is I have ATA over ethernet working. So the touchpad can read/write to a network volume backed by RAID 6. Aug 29 03:54:37 gets about 11MB/sec until I hit the network problem Aug 29 03:56:25 drobbins: nice. do we need kernel patches for that? Aug 29 03:58:56 rwhitby: uNiXpSyChO put it in F4 for me Aug 29 03:59:34 once I get reliable, speedy networking, I can get the funtoo port done. Aug 29 03:59:37 until then it'll be a pain Aug 29 04:00:00 rwhitby: do you know how to make chromium show full screen (and not leave space for the vkb)? Aug 29 04:00:10 theres chromium for webos? Aug 29 04:00:28 in ubuntu chroot Aug 29 04:00:29 :) Aug 29 04:00:34 ah :) Aug 29 04:00:49 but it only takes up 2/3 of the screen right now :) Aug 29 04:00:54 (for me at least) Aug 29 04:01:03 ahk Aug 29 04:01:24 drobbins: CONFIG_ATA_OVER_ETH=y I presume Aug 29 04:01:32 rwhitby: how do I get X11 to stage / install into the armv7 toolchain? Aug 29 04:01:32 yep think so Aug 29 04:01:45 SuperPhly: so uh... looks like the DNS server for my router failed Aug 29 04:01:52 if you have a bluetooth keyboard... Aug 29 04:02:04 Lumiere: you didn't try a ping or arp? Aug 29 04:02:08 HattCzech: someone didn't read the Xecutah splash screen before they clicked "I've read this" Aug 29 04:02:19 SuperPhly: I did Aug 29 04:02:21 oh no! looks like i need to :) Aug 29 04:02:25 but it was odd Aug 29 04:02:27 alrighty, i'll do that Aug 29 04:02:35 I had to half rebuild it Aug 29 04:02:37 no idea why Aug 29 04:02:45 rwhitby: ata over ethernet is easy to set up and seems wwaaaaaaay better than nfs Aug 29 04:02:53 rwhitby: even with my network issue, it's usable Aug 29 04:03:09 * rwhitby wonders whether his NAS box will do that Aug 29 04:03:25 rwhitby: also, if you can, enable the iptables TOS target wherever you can. Aug 29 04:03:37 rwhitby: that will allow me to play with tweaking ssh packets. Aug 29 04:03:57 drobbins: can you send me a set of defconfig patches for the different things you need? Aug 29 04:04:09 rwhitby: that's it, really Aug 29 04:04:37 I have a feeling the ssh issue is due to something else Aug 29 04:08:01 wow ata over ethernet is nice. Aug 29 04:10:29 rwhitby: for xecutah, was there something else in there aside from the changelog info? Aug 29 04:10:50 HattCzech: dunno, you're the one who clicked that you read it ... Aug 29 04:10:50 going to tweak my home wifi - maybe it's getting overloaded. Aug 29 04:10:53 i've already changed my keyboard to none, which made the ubuntu terminal full screen Aug 29 04:11:19 HattCzech: hang on, what are you referring to then? Aug 29 04:11:49 when i load chromium, it doesn't fill the whole screen Aug 29 04:12:01 it does what the terminal was doing before i changed it Aug 29 04:13:15 how does the maps app on my touchpad know where i am geo-location wise? Aug 29 04:13:20 so it only fills 2/3 of the screen Aug 29 04:13:22 there's no GPS on this thing is there? Aug 29 04:16:30 not that i know of Aug 29 04:17:32 google locations services. if you're not in the southern hemisphere where it doesn't work Aug 29 04:17:38 rwhitby: it could be due to something called "msm bus scaling" Aug 29 04:17:54 rwhitby: does it just use like WiFi for location or something? Aug 29 04:18:36 so there's gotta be some IP->Geo mapping? Aug 29 04:18:41 yeah, it's a big database of where APs are, it sends in the APs it can hear and google gives back a location Aug 29 04:19:20 google recorded hotspot locations when they made street view Aug 29 04:19:31 PatrickC_TP rwong i dont get how aGPS actually works :O how does google know where AP's are? Aug 29 04:19:39 Coweater isnt that illegal? Aug 29 04:20:18 discussion of google legality is off-topic thanks Aug 29 04:20:44 rwhitby: would be interesting to try a kernel with this thing turned off: http://bit.ly/nBEP7o Aug 29 04:20:48 Govnah hasn't been updated to support F4 yet Aug 29 04:20:50 Really? Aug 29 04:20:55 It's working great for me Aug 29 04:20:58 rwhitby: bus scaling of 0 may coincide with wifi network barfs Aug 29 04:21:19 Framework: F4 will work out of the box. govnah may not be able to control parts of it Aug 29 04:21:41 I was able to change the governor Aug 29 04:21:53 yeah worked for me Aug 29 04:21:56 then it didn't work Aug 29 04:22:02 you may get cpu1 related errors if cpu1 is not active at the time Aug 29 04:22:25 * PatrickC_TP is running F4 Aug 29 04:22:36 seems like everything is ok with turbo mode enabled. Aug 29 04:22:39 my turbo went away Aug 29 04:22:52 anyone rememeber the sysfs file to enable it again? Aug 29 04:23:20 Anyone look into getting adhoc working? Aug 29 04:24:26 PatrickC_TP: can you do: cd sys; find | grep turbo ? Aug 29 04:24:31 PatrickC_TP: and paste output? Aug 29 04:24:41 Robbins: I guess> Aug 29 04:24:48 s/>/?/ Aug 29 04:24:48 PatrickC_TP meant: Robbins: I guess? Aug 29 04:25:55 drobbins: no output here Aug 29 04:26:21 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904787404576535211589514334.html hah Aug 29 04:26:46 PatrickC_TP: ok Aug 29 04:28:07 was I suppose to see anything? Aug 29 04:28:24 PatrickC_TP: I thought so, if you are using the latest f4 Aug 29 04:28:52 I am Aug 29 04:28:57 I haven't rebooted since install Aug 29 04:29:27 you installed f4 but didn't reboot? Aug 29 04:30:04 if you haven't rebooted into f4 then it's not running Aug 29 04:30:06 I updated f4 but didn't reboot yes Aug 29 04:30:09 ah ok Aug 29 04:30:17 I am running the first release of f4 Aug 29 04:30:25 I think you should still have it. I will bug uNiXpSyChO when he's around again Aug 29 04:31:15 not sure when he'll be back Aug 29 04:31:19 he left a while ago Aug 29 04:31:46 he'll be back Aug 29 04:31:51 yeah Aug 29 04:31:52 maybe not today Aug 29 04:33:30 "Boast that you're going to attack Apple's iPad with your $499 TouchPad. Then dump your TouchPad in a $99 fire sale and announce you're just not going to offer it anymore." Aug 29 04:33:31 lol Aug 29 04:37:05 wondering if the touchpad is engineered to keep wifi running fast when the screen is on only. Aug 29 04:37:08 probably. Aug 29 04:37:24 drobbins not sure actually hmmm Aug 29 04:37:57 well, my touchpad now has 13GB of RAID-6 storage Aug 29 04:38:00 so I'm cool Aug 29 04:39:59 evulhotdog: are you here to participate in webOS development? Aug 29 04:40:18 Ive been in here for quite a while reading actually... Aug 29 04:40:24 lurking as you might say? Aug 29 04:40:29 rwhitby Aug 29 04:42:37 evulhotdog: welcome. please be aware that during this tumultuous turn of events with webOS that we're going to be fairly strict on the channel policy. Aug 29 04:43:26 rwhitby okay? And as I have stated I have been lurking, not only that nothing that I have said has been out of place... Aug 29 04:43:41 So I feel as if I am being singled out for no reason. Aug 29 04:43:46 uNiXpSyChO, rwhitby: thanks for all the stuff you do for homebrew! my friends (most of whom are iOS fans) we in awe when I showed them my touchpad running at 1.8GHz dual-core :) Aug 29 04:44:01 evulhotdog: the reason I ask is due to your stated position on warez on a channel where I was lurking Aug 29 04:44:24 rwhitby okay? And that has not a thing to do with this channel so.... your point? Aug 29 04:44:43 lol Aug 29 04:44:52 evulhotdog: actually, it does. when the items in question are webOS apps. Aug 29 04:45:08 Was it in this channel? Aug 29 04:45:17 It was not. Aug 29 04:45:19 Thank you. Aug 29 04:45:32 So please, no more bothing me Aug 29 04:45:40 as its unneeded as I did nothing wrong Aug 29 04:46:15 evulhotdog: well, the webOS devs in this channel may well think otherwise. Aug 29 04:46:49 but feel free to continue to participate under the policy of this channel Aug 29 04:47:34 okay, so if you have your mind made up about who I am and what I am about, then why are you discussing this with me? Clearly I did not do anything wrong in your channel, so please refrain from slightly harassing me. Aug 29 04:47:45 evulhotdog: you are clearly worse than Hitler Aug 29 04:48:22 as I said, feel free to continue to participate under the policy of this channel Aug 29 04:48:41 rwhitby i have been participating under the channels policy the whole time I have been in here. So please worry about your own channel :) Aug 29 04:48:44 zottffssen, you here? Aug 29 04:48:59 f4, f15... when can I get sr71 Aug 29 04:49:08 evulhotdog: there should be no problem then Aug 29 04:49:28 Which is why I dont know why you called me out? Aug 29 04:49:37 evulhotdog: it's because you're an evulhotdog Aug 29 04:49:59 evulhotdog: if you were just a hotdog, it wouldn't be an issue Aug 29 04:50:10 evulhotdog: you must realise that actions on the internet are not neatly segregated into isolated channels Aug 29 04:50:34 When you have OPS here, thats how it has to be. Aug 29 04:51:17 that's fine Aug 29 04:54:35 This whole XServer thing is not giving me a nice warm feeling. Anything X related has to be run from a chroot XServer. That kind of defeats the purpose of WebOS's nice multitouch experience, doesn't it? Aug 29 04:54:50 yep Aug 29 04:54:57 cyclic: the X server is not chrooted Aug 29 04:55:06 yep, except for that Aug 29 04:55:16 oh ok Aug 29 04:55:21 but it's still not Luna Aug 29 04:55:32 cyclic: the x server renders in a card Aug 29 04:55:45 Yeah, that's what's break'n my heart. Aug 29 04:55:49 we'd love to work out how to have a window per card instead of a server per card Aug 29 04:55:55 but we're not there Aug 29 04:55:59 ok Aug 29 04:56:08 window per card is where it's at Aug 29 04:56:15 yep Aug 29 04:56:43 is anyone working on it? Aug 29 04:57:06 errr Aug 29 04:57:09 Dalvik VM @_@ Aug 29 04:57:41 cyclic: dtzWill has thought some about it, no-one is working on it as far as I know Aug 29 04:57:49 The other problem is the multitouch Aug 29 05:01:49 Why cant Alien Dalvik be open source Aug 29 05:02:00 cyclic: I believe SDL handles multitouch Aug 29 05:03:48 SDL_GetMultiMouseState Aug 29 05:05:38 because then they'd have nobody to sell it to? Aug 29 05:06:07 why don't you make one and open source it =] Aug 29 05:10:46 not impressed with android Aug 29 05:11:44 I havent used android much beyond using peoples phones for a couple of minutes Aug 29 05:11:47 it's the windows of smartphones Aug 29 05:11:56 it works, not terribly pretty, but you can find it all over the place Aug 29 05:12:10 and there's probably some app somewhere, but it's like to be butt ugly Aug 29 05:12:16 hey geist Aug 29 05:12:20 howdy rwhitby Aug 29 05:12:32 geist: did you get that touchpad? Aug 29 05:12:38 nah, they cancelled the order Aug 29 05:12:55 HP has quite a bit of stock of touchpads Aug 29 05:13:03 can we speculate about what's going on? Aug 29 05:13:12 they're building a tank out of them Aug 29 05:13:19 HP will direct-sell them for a slightly more than $99/$149 price? Aug 29 05:13:31 no no, they're going to toss them into the burning man Aug 29 05:14:52 where is the source code for the SNES emulator Aug 29 05:15:15 hopefully HP will start selling them soon, id buy another one Aug 29 05:16:50 dragoon: me too Aug 29 05:17:21 dragoon: I hope they are re-thinking how they accidentally created the hottest gadget of 2011 Aug 29 05:17:37 re-thinking, reflecting on Aug 29 05:17:46 drobbins: for sure Aug 29 05:18:12 ive heard more about the HP touchpad in the last week Aug 29 05:21:24 even people who barely heard about it want one at work Aug 29 05:21:35 who don't know the first thing about webos. Aug 29 05:21:41 yeah, i bought mine last monday Aug 29 05:21:56 I'm new to webos but made the decision before they were discontinued Aug 29 05:22:51 What happened to SDLTerminal? Aug 29 05:23:04 doesn't work on 3.x Aug 29 05:23:29 PDK apps and root don't go well together since 3.x dropped Aug 29 05:24:27 how so? Aug 29 05:24:28 Can't we just telnet to root, though? Aug 29 05:28:05 Xuzz: I've suggested to many people that they create an webOS ssh client app that can securely ssh to localhost. no-one has taken it up. Aug 29 05:28:23 "securely ssh" - how's that for a tautology Aug 29 05:28:33 I tried, but even building SDLTerminal was beyond me. :( Aug 29 05:28:34 haha Aug 29 05:28:47 I just compiled terminal w00t Aug 29 05:29:03 Xuzz: an app like that could go in the app catalog and be used for ssh to external hosts, and would work with Preware's openssh daemon for homebrewers. Aug 29 05:29:03 well... you could make ssh pretty insecure Aug 29 05:29:15 rwhitby: yeah, would definitely be valuable Aug 29 05:29:34 but, would require someone to do it (which probably means porting PuTTY) Aug 29 05:32:17 perware/build/apps/terminal/ | is this SDLTerminal ? Aug 29 05:32:31 no Aug 29 05:32:45 terminal stopped working in 2.x Aug 29 05:34:05 well, it worked if you fixed the jail file Aug 29 05:34:18 I used Terminus* Aug 29 05:34:22 sorry, misread Aug 29 05:34:28 both of which stopped working in 3.x too Aug 29 05:34:44 yeah, XTerm is in it for the longhaul :) Aug 29 05:35:00 hope so lol Aug 29 05:35:16 but you need X :( Aug 29 05:35:57 * Ironsight finishes up an online game of descent 2 Aug 29 05:36:22 god, now that game might work on a touchpad... use the gyro to steer, that would be a TRIP Aug 29 05:36:51 Xecutah is the only solution available that works on all webOS devices and all webOS versions. Aug 29 05:38:07 If you need a terminal for... complicated stuff, could always just use putty right? Aug 29 05:38:23 aka, ssh Aug 29 05:40:06 oh, does everything run as a Luna user? Aug 29 05:47:41 Can someone help me remove the partition that I created for UbuntuChroot Aug 29 05:50:07 awesome Aug 29 05:50:11 so Aug 29 05:50:26 any real irc clients for webos? Aug 29 05:50:50 I love this: http://webchat.freenode.net/ Aug 29 05:51:02 wIRC ? Aug 29 05:51:06 indeed, wIRC ftw Aug 29 05:51:12 hmm Aug 29 05:51:30 I have to install preware first, I assume Aug 29 05:51:34 yup Aug 29 05:53:07 lemme get on that, I'll be back sometime later Aug 29 06:06:10 hey guys, I've got ubuntu chroot running on my touchpad, been playing around with lxde. Just wondering if anyone has found a way to hide the webOS keyboard and display the desktop full-screen? Aug 29 06:06:41 wirc? nah. terminal and screen and irssi Aug 29 06:06:50 Elljay: Tweaks Aug 29 06:06:52 wirc connected to irssi proxy? :p Aug 29 06:07:55 sure, why not Aug 29 06:08:51 rwhitby: I tried that but no luck, whether I try no keyboard or SX through L it doesn't have any effect. There's not a hidden 'ok' or 'apply' button is there? I couldn't see one Aug 29 06:09:25 Elljay: so it's not just me! (I thought it was just me, having 3am user-errors) Aug 29 06:09:29 Elljay: are you running 3.0.2 ? Aug 29 06:12:48 rwhitby: I am Aug 29 06:13:09 also, set on XS in portrait mode, the xterm for me appears to run ~7 lines under the keyboard Aug 29 06:17:21 hmm, if I set it on large (restarting xecutah and xserver) the kb looks the same size, but the bottom of the xterm is ~4 lines above Aug 29 06:20:29 So, I have an issue, but you probably need thw whole story to get a better idea of what is going on. See the following: i recently made a new webosdoctor that would format my touchpads with a 2GB ext3 partition - i went through the initial set up, it restored my data and apps and i then proceeded to install a bunch of preware stuff like uberkernel, some patches, etc. I then went through the procedure to get the ubuntu chroot on Aug 29 06:20:44 did that go through, or should i just pastebin my issue? Aug 29 06:21:06 ubuntu chroot on.... Aug 29 06:21:28 * scorche|sh heads to pastie to refrain from spamming the channel Aug 29 06:22:54 (generating #s 1-100) L: 54 at the top, 100 (with 3-4 lines to spare) M: 50 at the top, #prompt at the bottom S: 47 is the top, 98 is the bottom, XS: 43 at the top, 94 at the bottom Aug 29 06:23:07 and the keyboard appears to be the same size in all of them... Aug 29 06:24:37 sorry about that - here is the issue I am having: http://www.pastie.org/2447140 Aug 29 06:24:37 are you changing the keyboard size to match what you tell Tweaks? Aug 29 06:25:26 is that a setting somewhere? Aug 29 06:25:38 (no) Aug 29 06:25:49 where does one set that Aug 29 06:25:50 dwc-: hold down the bottom right key Aug 29 06:26:10 oh hey... I just learned something new Aug 29 06:26:31 I thought that was just for hiding it. thanks. Aug 29 06:26:46 scorche|sh: not sure why that has happened. power+vol-up will get you into recovery mode to redoctor Aug 29 06:26:57 oh hey... you can hold down a bunch of the others too Aug 29 06:27:09 * dwc- is late to the party, apparently Aug 29 06:27:14 yup Aug 29 06:27:28 rwhitby: bah - so i have to re-do the last hour or so? - ok, thanks Aug 29 06:27:44 scorche|sh: you did mount the ext3fs, right? Aug 29 06:27:59 though this time, i will definitely restart the device fully after the first boot to see if it does it again Aug 29 06:28:01 if you didn't you would have filled / and that would cause what you are reporting Aug 29 06:28:42 rwhitby: yes, i did - it should have been auto-mounted by fstab, but i had done mount -a before that anyway Aug 29 06:29:28 rwhitby: if i hadnt mounted the ext3 partition, it wouldnt have let me run ubuntu, no? Aug 29 06:30:12 true Aug 29 06:30:41 I wonder if the keyboard disappearing thing is related Aug 29 06:30:49 How do I use meta-doctor to re-assign diskspace back from the ubuntunchroot Aug 29 06:30:53 lots of people are reporting that Aug 29 06:31:04 NItroJunk: you can't Aug 29 06:31:12 the chroot wiki pages have a procedure Aug 29 06:31:30 rwhitby: i did this before i did a new webosdoctor (i wanted to reduce the size i allotted to the ext3 partition to 2GB from 6GB) Aug 29 06:31:34 is meta-doctor anything special or does it just run the commmands for you? Aug 29 06:31:35 and it worked fine after a restart Aug 29 06:32:03 meta-doctor edits the partition table which trenchcoat then parses and executes Aug 29 06:32:44 anyone home? Aug 29 06:32:50 im following this: http://leo.gaggl.com/2011/08/ubuntu-extending-the-hp-touchpad/ Aug 29 06:33:03 rwhitby: um - how long should i be holding the power + vol-up? Aug 29 06:33:10 I see nothing that says how to get the 2gb back Aug 29 06:33:29 After the reboot when finishing the MetaDoctor install just run novaterm with the USB cable connected and mount the ext3fs partition Aug 29 06:33:43 how do i "run novaterm" Aug 29 06:33:51 im newb with the touchpads/webos stuff Aug 29 06:34:21 scorche|sh: power+home to reset Aug 29 06:34:40 then hold vol-up with usb inserted while you push power Aug 29 06:35:02 are you following this? http://liliputing.com/2011/08/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-on-an-hp-touchpad.html Aug 29 06:35:04 DQn3ts : did you have windows for using webosquickinstall Aug 29 06:35:13 because there it is novaterm already incldued Aug 29 06:35:29 well, i did webosquickinstall in windblows Aug 29 06:35:30 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot is the original wiki page. Aug 29 06:35:51 but most of these ubuntu chroot tuturials say to use nix or osx Aug 29 06:35:52 NItroJunk: are you looking at that, or some article which didn't credit properly? Aug 29 06:35:53 so im in ubuntu now Aug 29 06:36:01 ive been doing the above tutorial in ubuntu 10.04 Aug 29 06:36:04 anyone ever seen the error: lib tool compile cannot determine name of library object from `': ? Aug 29 06:36:17 rwhitby, he used a bad article :( Aug 29 06:36:31 basically, if you're following anything other than http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot, then you should talk to the authors of the article you are following, not us. Aug 29 06:36:32 I read it, it's missing help likes to webos-internals Aug 29 06:36:41 s/likes/links Aug 29 06:37:09 libtool :( Aug 29 06:37:14 since we're not in this game to be advertising fodder for others and then help fix their mistakes too. Aug 29 06:37:38 these articles cover everything from preware on in one easy article Aug 29 06:38:20 so it's not a total rip Aug 29 06:38:22 I dunno, if I was writing an article, I would just Show a video, tell the feature, then send em to the install links Aug 29 06:38:36 dwc-: and if they said "the information comes from this authoritative wiki page, look there for updates and additional info" it'd be cool Aug 29 06:39:22 even better if the article author added some screenshots to the wiki page, but we know that's never going to happen Aug 29 06:39:52 agreed Aug 29 06:39:52 oh look, that first article links to a metadoctor binary Aug 29 06:39:54 I have already had ubuntuchroot successfully running from the webos-internals site, what I'm trying to do now is remove it and get the 2gb back I allocated for ext3fs Aug 29 06:40:51 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#How_to_remove_the_ext3fs_partition Aug 29 06:41:14 the first one definitely isn't just copying the wiki pages -- it's using auto-install preware and enable testing feeds Aug 29 06:41:46 the auto-install preware which is marked in the Makefile as unreliable and do not use ? Aug 29 06:41:50 yes elljay I'm looking at that link which leads to another link Aug 29 06:41:54 yep Aug 29 06:42:00 I rest my case. Aug 29 06:42:14 obviously not just copying the docs! ;) Aug 29 06:43:23 step 4 says: then run meta-doctor to re-assign all space to user's diskspace, rwhitby just said that's not possible so I'm a little confused Aug 29 06:46:48 ... Aug 29 06:47:04 step 4 of what? Aug 29 06:47:27 how to remove the ext3fs partition Aug 29 06:48:40 http://www.gadgetxplorer.com/2011/08/webos-how-to-remove-ext3fs-partition.html Aug 29 06:48:58 if you do the lvmremove first, yes Aug 29 06:49:18 I did Aug 29 06:50:34 do I just go back in the makefile and remove =2gb' that's what I'm confused on Aug 29 06:55:26 anyone know how NuttyBunny (or yourself) manages to run palm-package on a Touchpad? Aug 29 06:55:29 rwhitby: chromium browser through lxde works fine at full screen, but without it, it does the 2/3 screen Aug 29 06:55:47 HattCzech: sounds like an lxde thing then Aug 29 06:56:16 i'll just use lxde... easier to navigate as well Aug 29 06:56:46 on this tutorial im following, it says run novaterm and then run some commands to mount the partition Aug 29 06:56:49 the last one is mount -a Aug 29 06:56:50 i do that Aug 29 06:57:04 i get root@HPTouchPad:/# mount -a mount: mounting noatime,data=writeback on 0 failed: No such file or directory Aug 29 06:57:19 any idears? Aug 29 06:57:42 that should all be on one line Aug 29 06:57:45 does we ahve a right click emualtor from lxde? Aug 29 06:57:47 with the previous line Aug 29 06:58:22 dwc- could you elaborate? Aug 29 06:58:39 http://leo.gaggl.com/2011/08/ubuntu-extending-the-hp-touchpad/ Aug 29 06:58:40 with the rest of the line you added Aug 29 06:58:43 im following that Aug 29 06:58:46 it should all be one line Aug 29 06:59:03 noatime,data=writeback 0 0" >> /etc/fstab mount -a Aug 29 06:59:05 like that? Aug 29 06:59:06 is there a vnc client for unbuntu chroot? Aug 29 06:59:09 no Aug 29 06:59:20 the part that starts with /dev/mapper ... Aug 29 07:00:22 HattCzech: are you asking if there are vnc clients for ubuntu that you could install and use through the chroot? Aug 29 07:00:40 yes, ones that support arm Aug 29 07:01:17 there should be a bunch... Aug 29 07:01:20 dwc- i dont see /dev/mapper Aug 29 07:01:36 oh i do Aug 29 07:02:17 anyone having problems with terminal not installing Aug 29 07:02:34 shit did i break anything by running the first 2 lines seperate Aug 29 07:02:42 does palm-package support ARM? If so, how do I install it on my touchpad? I have Ubuntu chroot, etc. Aug 29 07:02:54 ah compiled! Aug 29 07:03:01 doh Aug 29 07:03:33 no, it's not "broken" ... you just have errors and settings that will prematurely age your flash Aug 29 07:03:38 someone claims to be running it. Aug 29 07:04:06 palm-package is just a shell script and some java Aug 29 07:04:37 does anyone know how to get to the testing xterm Aug 29 07:04:41 rwhitby what Java programs does it run? Aug 29 07:04:53 dwc-: ok so i ran all of them together Aug 29 07:04:55 should i continue? Aug 29 07:05:19 edit your fstab and make it all be on one line Aug 29 07:05:30 * EdLin nm, I'll read the shell script Aug 29 07:05:33 those 2 lines that are separate, that is Aug 29 07:05:41 not every single line in the file Aug 29 07:06:20 also, report to the person who wrote the article that their formatting is screwed up since it's wrapping the "long" line Aug 29 07:06:30 hmmm, so trying to open another terminal window within lxde closes it... Aug 29 07:06:36 dwc- are there any editors i can use? Aug 29 07:06:47 tried nano and pico Aug 29 07:06:53 what editor can i use in novaterm Aug 29 07:07:37 I use vi, personally Aug 29 07:08:27 http://pastebin.com/eS73HYhB Aug 29 07:08:32 dwc- I just used ed(1) on the touchpad itself to do some primative editing, because it doesn't require control characters. Aug 29 07:08:34 thats what it looks like right now Aug 29 07:08:51 how come you got ed in your touchpad Aug 29 07:08:58 apt-get install ed Aug 29 07:08:59 mine doesn't have it Aug 29 07:09:10 it's in Ubuntu chroot repos Aug 29 07:09:46 dwc- so do i remove those last 2 lines Aug 29 07:09:47 and put /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs /media/ext3fs ext3 noatime,data=writeback 0 0 Aug 29 07:09:49 I don't thinke he has his ubuntu chroot up and running yet Aug 29 07:09:52 of course, if you need to go outside of the chroot with it, that could present a problem. Aug 29 07:09:58 yeah Aug 29 07:10:00 that too Aug 29 07:10:19 DQn3ts I did that with echo, not with an editor. Aug 29 07:10:26 not that you couldn't run it from outside Aug 29 07:10:35 true Aug 29 07:10:47 delete line 22 23, and 25 Aug 29 07:10:52 which seem sto have an odd mount -a at the end Aug 29 07:11:06 dwc- does touchpad come with sed? Aug 29 07:11:12 it comes with busybox sed Aug 29 07:11:37 I could have used sed then. Aug 29 07:12:06 DQn3ts: delete line 22 23, and 25 Aug 29 07:13:47 > hey, say I wanted to re-do my ubuntu install...how woulf I delete the directory its saved in to restart...Ive tried reinstalling in preware to no avail. lol Aug 29 07:14:19 could someone help me clean up my fstab? Aug 29 07:14:25 ive never used vi Aug 29 07:14:31 cd /media/ext3fs/ && rm Aug 29 07:14:36 sorry, rm -rf Aug 29 07:14:57 in xterm? Aug 29 07:15:09 AHCompy in novaterm. Aug 29 07:15:19 kk ty :-) Aug 29 07:15:24 AHCompy tho I reckon it'll work in xterm if you do a nohup Aug 29 07:15:40 nohup? Aug 29 07:15:53 yeah, to keep it going if the terminal crashes. :) Aug 29 07:15:56 xterm from xecutah is outside of the chroot Aug 29 07:16:07 oh, bummer. Aug 29 07:16:12 if that's getting deleted too, you're doing something wrong :) Aug 29 07:16:20 ok. :) Aug 29 07:17:02 it's 3am where I am, lots of brain errors. Aug 29 07:17:06 I dont have a problem losing everything...I can always reinstall... Aug 29 07:17:49 AHCompy well, if you rm -rf something besides that directory, you will brick your device. How hard a brick I don't know, I reckon the bootloader will still be there. Aug 29 07:17:55 busybox/vi basic... arrow keys up and down Aug 29 07:17:57 dd to delete a line Aug 29 07:18:20 I see... Aug 29 07:18:24 ZZ when you're done Aug 29 07:18:33 that's all you should need for this Aug 29 07:18:40 AHCompy should be easy enough to rm your ext3 directory tho. Aug 29 07:19:14 just remember, Unix does exactly what you tell it to. Aug 29 07:19:15 cd /media/ext3fs/ && rm -rf *ubuntu* should do it Aug 29 07:19:30 yeah, that double && will make it foolproof. Aug 29 07:19:30 yeah, I figured. lol lemme see if I can get novaterm on my winblowd box...dont feel like firing up the linux box Aug 29 07:19:42 whatever that directory is called Aug 29 07:23:41 dwc- I learned vi on a SysV shell account that didn't support arrow keys for the vi cursor-movement, especially in insert mode. :) Aug 29 07:23:58 I learned vi on a terminal that didn't have cursor keys for anything Aug 29 07:24:08 except ... repositioning the local cursor Aug 29 07:24:09 ok sorry webchat hosed up Aug 29 07:24:24 dwc- what terminal was that? I thought vt100 had those? Aug 29 07:24:34 is there another editor i can use dwc-? Aug 29 07:24:44 hp, sun Aug 29 07:24:58 hmm Aug 29 07:25:03 the hp had 5 cursor keys Aug 29 07:26:26 yeah, Linux, even the stuff that ran with kernel 0.95 and 0.99, was a great usability improvement over SysV (pre r4). :-) Aug 29 07:26:57 dwc-: http://pastebin.com/wxs4VmLB Aug 29 07:26:59 does that look right? Aug 29 07:27:03 but there's no better way to learn vi than with an old version of it. Aug 29 07:27:11 rwhitby: I got it back, I went back and re-did meta doctor without modifying the makefile, now my TP shows 13.5gb instead of 11.2 Aug 29 07:27:21 yes Aug 29 07:28:13 edlin: looked kinda like one of these: http://www.prx205.org/images/Peripherals/HP_2640.jpg Aug 29 07:29:02 dwc- is that what they called a "glass tty"? those had no cursor addressing worth mentioning. Aug 29 07:30:14 probably not, it has too many keys for that. Aug 29 07:30:39 I honestly don't remember it that well Aug 29 07:30:47 I couldn't have been much older than maybe 5-6 Aug 29 07:31:00 dwc- it was an intellegent terminal, according to the wiki. Aug 29 07:31:07 so not a glass tty Aug 29 07:32:07 still, that is worse than what I started on, but then again, I didn't start using computers when I was 5. 5 would have been 1974. Aug 29 07:32:32 for me Aug 29 07:33:10 "introduced in 1975" Aug 29 07:33:21 (hp 2640) Aug 29 07:33:40 I started using computers when I was 11. Aug 29 07:34:04 so I missed the 70s computing experience, other than Unix. ;-) Aug 29 07:34:14 the 70s computing experience came to me Aug 29 07:34:22 * dwc- was not alive in the 70s (barely) Aug 29 07:35:11 well, anyone who uses Unix's shell is using something that hasn't changed much, except creature comforts and wiz-bang scripting languages, since the 70s. Aug 29 07:35:26 all them newfangled zsh things Aug 29 07:35:41 yeah, zsh, ftw. Ever used the grml live disk? Aug 29 07:35:56 nope Aug 29 07:36:17 it's a great tool, and it's the only live disk that I know of that starts you in zsh. (Though some come with X11 installed) Aug 29 07:36:20 * dwc- still writes sh compatible whenever possible Aug 29 07:36:33 me too, but zsh has some great completion features. Aug 29 07:36:55 * dwc- has to get out of the habit of writing for sun solaris (before 10u dwc- yeah, I played with Solaris, /bin/sh from the caveman days. Aug 29 07:37:56 kernel from the 21st century, userland from the 19th. ;-) Aug 29 07:38:04 ok installing lxde Aug 29 07:38:14 so are you an ed lin, or are you just a dos editor fan Aug 29 07:38:31 what are the limitations of this ubuntu chroot? Aug 29 07:38:35 because, I must say, ed >> edlin Aug 29 07:38:36 dwc- I'm not really a DOS editor fan, but I used edlin as a primative readily available patch utility. Aug 29 07:38:47 my end goal is to use the touchpad for ecu tuning using romraider Aug 29 07:38:54 http://www.romraider.org Aug 29 07:39:02 dwc- ed(1) is much better, true. Aug 29 07:39:06 A) does the touchpad have usb host? Aug 29 07:39:14 B) will it work through chroot Aug 29 07:40:07 DQn3ts a) not yet Aug 29 07:40:15 DQn3ts which renders b) irrelevant Aug 29 07:40:23 k Aug 29 07:40:28 well Aug 29 07:40:31 a) the hardware appears to maybe support it at least Aug 29 07:40:40 yeah, that's why I said not yet. Aug 29 07:41:16 as for a chroot, since the raw devices are dumped into the chroot, I don't see why it wouldn't Aug 29 07:41:38 yeah, chroots pretty much support the same hardware as the host OS. Aug 29 07:42:45 which makes people whine that Ubuntu doesn't use drivers that you wrote yourself or something. Aug 29 07:43:17 you can always bust yourself out of the chroot if you really want to anyways Aug 29 07:43:52 edlin do you think i could get this to work: http://www.easy-motorcycle.com/bluetooth-obd2-elm-code-scanner-can-bus-327-wireless-p-81.html?zenid=h1mtqglrn1i5oj192aj2b51i56 Aug 29 07:44:17 I believe there's a bluetooth obd scantool in the app catalog already Aug 29 07:44:35 yea but i doubt it has ssm (subaru select monitor protocol) Aug 29 07:44:36 related re: usb host: https://twitter.com/#!/_booto/status/106419384569954304 Aug 29 07:44:40 its not standard obdii Aug 29 07:45:19 DQn3ts it is possible to get it to work, whether you can get it to work depends on time and effort and skill. ;-) Aug 29 07:46:03 DQn3ts assuming people are right about host mode. Aug 29 07:46:43 any idea why lxde only uses about 60% of the screen? Aug 29 07:46:55 should I have an i386-linux-gnu directory in my staging lib folder if I'm using the SB2 armv7 mapping? Aug 29 07:46:59 DQn3ts it needs room for the smallest keyboard is my guess. Aug 29 07:47:08 im using a bluetooth keyboard Aug 29 07:47:13 any way to make it full screen? Aug 29 07:47:24 then this is a bug. I don't know if you can make it full screen. Aug 29 07:47:34 I think this is a known issue. Aug 29 07:47:55 http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.digikat.digiobd Aug 29 07:48:07 ther'es the one I was thinking of, I think Aug 29 07:49:34 how can i right click in lxde Aug 29 07:51:57 DQn3ts: get the tweaks application from preware and change it so that xserver leaves no space for a keyboard Aug 29 07:52:45 just called "tweaks": Aug 29 07:52:49 ?* Aug 29 07:53:42 yes Aug 29 07:54:29 DQn3ts: hey, so where do I claim my $10 Aug 29 07:54:37 pm me Aug 29 07:54:42 ok im in tweaks Aug 29 07:54:53 where is this setting Aug 29 07:55:12 the category that has a non-zero number of tweaks :) Aug 29 07:55:48 it's ok, btw, I don't need the money Aug 29 07:56:12 zsh --login Aug 29 07:56:26 oops ;) Aug 29 07:56:49 system? ok so i just turn the virtual keyboard type to off Aug 29 07:56:50 ? Aug 29 07:57:09 yep Aug 29 07:57:15 darn. no google talk plugin for linux/arm Aug 29 07:58:28 ok cool Aug 29 07:58:44 hrmm when i try to run lxterminal inside lxde, it kills everything Aug 29 07:58:47 and i gotta start over Aug 29 07:58:52 dwc- google talk is just jabber. Aug 29 07:59:42 so is facebook chat nowadays. Aug 29 07:59:55 EdLin: i assume he wants it for making calls over google voice.. Aug 29 07:59:59 oh Aug 29 08:00:07 DQn3ts: get gnome-terminal Aug 29 08:00:09 that's a horse of a different color I guess. Aug 29 08:00:15 k Aug 29 08:02:42 booto: nice - does that require kernel modules? Aug 29 08:03:02 ok last newb question then im off to bed Aug 29 08:03:08 rwhitby: yeah, but no patching, just some .config alterations Aug 29 08:03:13 how do i get out of lxde and back to the main terminal Aug 29 08:03:40 it's a bit fiddly (driver is from staging) Aug 29 08:04:02 booto: if we add it to uberkernel would you grace us with a wiki page? Aug 29 08:04:38 uh, sure Aug 29 08:05:05 it might be worth someone with a better cross-compilation environment to build the userland bins, though Aug 29 08:06:05 I got mine to a point where it'd just build the client bin, and rolled with that Aug 29 08:06:32 EdLin: yea, and you can jabber to AIM too... but yes, I wanted it for voice/video calls over gtalk Aug 29 08:06:55 dwc- sorry, I'd assumed you meant the regular chat features. Aug 29 08:07:24 dwc- I think maemo has something like that, not sure. Aug 29 08:07:31 nah, I just want more ways to make calls Aug 29 08:07:43 :) Aug 29 08:08:01 booto: what deps does the userland have? Aug 29 08:08:34 erm... I can tell you in a few hours - tp stuff is at home, currently at work Aug 29 08:08:42 ok, thanks. Aug 29 08:08:59 we can either build in the WIDK, or in preware/build.git, depending on how serious the deps are Aug 29 08:09:17 drop the result into Preware Aug 29 08:09:26 they're not extensive, iirc Aug 29 08:09:51 (heh, otherwise I probably would have abandoned doing it...) Aug 29 08:10:05 prob just libusb ? Aug 29 08:14:12 rwhitby: do you know if anyone has specifically verified that the usb port is not otg? (public qualcomm docs seem to indicate the apq8060's usb interface supports it...) Aug 29 08:16:44 booto: ka6sox was looking into that. it certainly wont power anything Aug 29 08:18:45 Just saw F4 kernel hit the testing feeds. Anyone tried it out yet? Aug 29 08:18:52 <|smash> helloo Aug 29 08:18:55 I have Aug 29 08:18:57 Runs great Aug 29 08:19:29 How's battery life with the always dual core? Aug 29 08:19:39 I've been using mine Aug 29 08:19:40 since Aug 29 08:19:43 9pm Aug 29 08:19:51 so its been about 6 hours Aug 29 08:19:58 and Im on 64% battery Aug 29 08:21:14 That's not so bad. What oc are you running at? Aug 29 08:21:21 <|smash> not to shabby. I was running... oh I can't remember what one... but battery life was a joke. so I'm back to uber. Aug 29 08:21:50 elf Aug 29 08:22:19 Using Ondemand, min 432Mhz, Max 1.728 Ghz Aug 29 08:22:45 <|smash> pre 2, touchpad? Aug 29 08:22:51 Touchpad Aug 29 08:23:10 <|smash> lucky. :p Aug 29 08:23:15 =-p Aug 29 08:23:24 I think I want to build an N64 emulator for webos Aug 29 08:23:25 Also touchpad :D Aug 29 08:23:29 just cuz im bored lol Aug 29 08:24:12 Alright, trying f4. See you on the other side! Aug 29 08:25:52 EdLin, maemo uses the telepathy framework. So if it was possible on maemo, you'd have to have that on the touchpad and any other libs it needed Aug 29 08:25:56 <|smash> rockin my pre plus. I was messing with debian chroot the other night. opened preware. bam. its in the feed. weird I thought. still looking for a useable and not shitty window manager.. Aug 29 08:26:20 wrea dwc- , you see that? Aug 29 08:26:31 |smash, im an android fanboy lol Aug 29 08:26:36 I dont like webOS on a phone Aug 29 08:26:45 I think it fits much better as a Tablet OS Aug 29 08:26:58 Don't hate me :< Aug 29 08:27:11 |smash: we stole the debian chroot from your computer for the feed Aug 29 08:28:07 <|smash> yeah? I ended up with a pre by chance and random un-educated decision and wound up loving it. to bad its been aborted. Aug 29 08:28:35 I wish I got one of those Pre 2's for 50 Aug 29 08:28:41 What languages are these apps in? Aug 29 08:28:42 lol Aug 29 08:28:49 booto, I need either a CHEAP TP or a DEAD TP so that I can really look to see if the hardware to support vbus is there or NOT Aug 29 08:28:52 <|smash> android is to fragmented. I was looking at Gas Aug 29 08:29:06 Framework javascript or regular C++ Aug 29 08:29:09 |smash, get a Nexus, problem solved =-P Aug 29 08:29:14 EdLin, thank you Aug 29 08:29:28 <|smash> bah. G1s on ebay when I read the news. :p dito on the pre 2. Aug 29 08:30:00 why did hp leave the sim card slot thingy on wifi versions of the touchpad Aug 29 08:30:00 lol Aug 29 08:30:24 Framework less expensive to make similar Aug 29 08:30:26 I need to find someone that bought a bunch that'd sell one to me at cost + shipping :P Aug 29 08:30:39 <|smash> agreed. nexus with android... blade runner much? creepy. lol Aug 29 08:30:39 What EdLin said. Cost cutting. Aug 29 08:31:12 lol Aug 29 08:31:19 I wish there was a gsm radio in this thing Aug 29 08:31:20 :( Aug 29 08:31:55 <|smash> awww shoulda waited for the 4g! Aug 29 08:32:04 its fine Aug 29 08:32:07 Ill tether off my phone Aug 29 08:32:08 ;) Aug 29 08:32:22 I kinda miss widgets lol Aug 29 08:32:35 so much complaining.... Aug 29 08:32:57 ¬___¬ Aug 29 08:33:45 <|smash> not from me! I just want advice on a decent wm for debian that will run well on my pre. :p Aug 29 08:34:45 wow, uberkernal speeds things up! Aug 29 08:34:55 We could technically run Android apps, we only need the dalvik requirements Aug 29 08:34:58 <|smash> matchbox seems like a good idea. I'm just to lazy to configure it properly. that's what I ran on my zipit. :p Aug 29 08:35:13 If we get it working, we can have Netflix =-D Aug 29 08:35:58 <|smash> woop! isn't there ubuntu running on touchpad? Aug 29 08:36:42 <|smash> thought I read that while digging around for deb chroot stuff.. also on hackaday.. Aug 29 08:37:51 speaking of that Aug 29 08:37:55 let me install ubuntu to it now Aug 29 08:37:55 lol Aug 29 08:38:38 <|smash> hey! if we can run debian and xserver why not android chroot in the xserver? or am I a moron? I have zero android knowledge. funds for new toys are low. :p Aug 29 08:38:48 hmm... Aug 29 08:38:50 interesting Aug 29 08:38:51 lol Aug 29 08:39:36 rwhitby: thinking about it, you might not want usbip in uberkernel - it *is* technically under the experimental/'staging' area of the kernel source tree Aug 29 08:40:01 |smash, its very easy to get android apps working natively since they both run linux Aug 29 08:40:01 as long as it's benign if you're not using it Aug 29 08:40:21 <|smash> do it! if you have the chops to write a n64 emulator just cause your bored, you can do that. Aug 29 08:40:41 Im looking into Alien Dalvik Aug 29 08:40:45 its very interesting :p Aug 29 08:41:06 http://www.myriadgroup.com/Device-Manufacturers/Android-solutions/Alien-Dalvik.aspx Aug 29 08:41:20 <|smash> define dalvik. Aug 29 08:41:48 Dalvik is the VM(virtual machine) used in android Aug 29 08:42:04 needed for apps Aug 29 08:44:34 <|smash> hua. I agree with you on the linux part.. but hardware? Aug 29 08:44:44 Heh Aug 29 08:44:52 :-P You're silly Aug 29 08:45:49 not that it really matters about the hw, but we already have the android dump from the test touchpads, AND there are htc devices will similar hardware Aug 29 08:46:56 with* Aug 29 08:47:03 <|smash> off topic.. webos web browser hangs and never opens a page I try to get to from opening a link from a different app. patch issue perhaps? it is really. really. annoying. Aug 29 08:47:56 <|smash> true. I think I remember reading the pre is using the soc as some android devices.. Aug 29 08:49:38 pre2 has a processor that is almost identical to the Nook Color and Nook2 Aug 29 08:50:39 <|smash> I feel like the touchpad has kicked my pre to the side and even tho hp dropped all webos hardware... I better not miss out on the hax. touch player? come on! hook it up for the pre persons! Aug 29 08:51:07 Omap 3x? Aug 29 08:51:19 <|smash> nook runs android, yeah? Aug 29 08:51:24 Yeah Aug 29 08:51:52 if Pre2 runs nearly the same processor as the nook color, then it also runs the same processor from the Droid 2 and Droid X Aug 29 08:54:08 <|smash> maybe hp is looking way ahead. hardware is unifying, software is fragmenting. shit. they had control over both and still ended up with fragmentation. Aug 29 08:54:09 |smash, go for it! Aug 29 08:54:20 <|smash> yeah!? Aug 29 08:54:23 go for what? lol Aug 29 08:54:44 if he wants Touchplayer on the pre then go make it happen. Aug 29 08:55:07 <|smash> trying to hack some-kind of android ...ness into ma pre's brain! Aug 29 08:55:46 gl Aug 29 08:56:16 <|smash> ty Aug 29 08:56:46 how can I install java in Bantu chroot Aug 29 08:57:04 <|smash> apt-get install java Aug 29 08:57:18 I tried apt-get install sun java6 are but it says no install candidate Aug 29 08:58:05 jre Aug 29 08:58:31 trying to install remainder Aug 29 08:58:36 romraider Aug 29 08:58:45 damn you autocorrect Aug 29 08:59:05 <|smash> agreed. f-in auto correct. Aug 29 08:59:31 <|smash> romraider you say? Aug 29 09:00:38 romraider.com Aug 29 09:00:51 <|smash> have you set up a window manager with any success? icewm is way to windows for my taste. Aug 29 09:00:55 edu Rom editing software Aug 29 09:01:15 Please download the correct version of the webOS Doctor .jar file Aug 29 09:01:15 and then move it to downloads/webosdoctorp302hstnhwifi-3.0.2.jar (i.e. the downloads directory that was just created under the current directory). Aug 29 09:01:15 make[1]: *** [downloads/webosdoctorp302hstnhwifi-3.0.2.jar] Error 1 Aug 29 09:01:15 make: *** [all] Error 2 Aug 29 09:01:16 grrr Aug 29 09:01:32 like lxde? Aug 29 09:01:45 nvm Aug 29 09:02:20 <|smash> I think lxed won't run.. I'll check! Aug 29 09:02:40 Welp, seems good so far Aug 29 09:03:56 Feels more responsive, could be total placebo :D Aug 29 09:04:15 <|smash> hm. thanks. I'll check that out too! Aug 29 09:06:46 <|smash> apt-get install welp gives no love elfurbe.. Aug 29 09:07:30 Framework: what are you trying to do? Aug 29 09:07:39 <|smash> or lxed... bah. Aug 29 09:08:18 Welp is just a fake word I use from time to time Aug 29 09:08:28 Not a package Aug 29 09:08:34 :) Aug 29 09:08:58 <|smash> well that explains that. : Aug 29 09:09:24 I meant that f4 seems good Aug 29 09:10:47 =p Aug 29 09:11:35 yea f4 uses both cores at all times Aug 29 09:11:44 <|smash> I was hoping it was a magical window manager for linux. :p hope the battery life is better.. unless you are on a touchpad.. in which case things are different for you than me. but it ate my battery like gum. I'd go to check my email.. pre is dead. lame! u Aug 29 09:11:44 <|smash> sually in stand by even. Aug 29 09:12:24 <|smash> framework! yous alive! Aug 29 09:12:49 Framework: what u trying to do Aug 29 09:13:58 <|smash> something cool. meta-doctor webos 3 doctor for ext3 partition? for ubuntu? ahh!? Aug 29 09:14:02 nothing, i was just compiling doctor Aug 29 09:14:25 ah Aug 29 09:14:35 trying to make your own flash? Aug 29 09:14:42 add stuff Aug 29 09:15:09 hmm Aug 29 09:15:14 if we chroot ubuntu Aug 29 09:15:24 we could probably run some android apps on it easily lol Aug 29 09:15:25 Framework: you know you can just resize the lvm Aug 29 09:15:29 no need to reflash the device Aug 29 09:15:50 and you can boot linux native Aug 29 09:15:50 tbh Aug 29 09:16:03 <|smash> I was assuming.. idk what he was doin.. : Aug 29 09:16:08 lololol Aug 29 09:16:15 too late for that Aug 29 09:16:18 why are people so focused on getting android running on it? Aug 29 09:16:19 im not joking Aug 29 09:16:31 booto: its not just android Aug 29 09:16:35 <|smash> booto... apps man. apps. Aug 29 09:16:36 we are thinking 3-4x boots Aug 29 09:16:42 perhaps Aug 29 09:16:42 :P Aug 29 09:16:47 GRUB for touchpad! Aug 29 09:16:54 I miss the apps Aug 29 09:16:55 :/ Aug 29 09:16:58 thats what I want Aug 29 09:17:00 <|smash> bootie mod 9000 Aug 29 09:17:01 already have a grub for touchpad Aug 29 09:17:03 bootie Aug 29 09:17:08 it can have a menu Aug 29 09:17:23 rhcp, get webos all the dalvik requirements Aug 29 09:17:28 and lets run apps =P Aug 29 09:18:04 nah Aug 29 09:18:08 dont worry have plan Aug 29 09:18:23 what you see in public is not really whats going on ;) Aug 29 09:18:41 <|smash> right? someone has android booting on a pre right now. but it loads everything from a pc over usb. f that. Aug 29 09:19:06 |smash: stupid Aug 29 09:19:08 but cool Aug 29 09:19:18 Framework, what apps? Aug 29 09:19:22 how much space you got on there? Aug 29 09:19:25 * rwhitby requests that competing teams discussion not be done here thanks Aug 29 09:19:25 on the pre Aug 29 09:19:38 <|smash> yeah. pointless with potential. Aug 29 09:19:42 rwhitby: no one is competing Aug 29 09:19:51 we are just chatting Aug 29 09:19:55 <|smash> 16gigelbitz Aug 29 09:20:19 we did usb boot for nook Aug 29 09:20:23 when you trashed the eemc Aug 29 09:20:24 heh Aug 29 09:20:43 rhcp: I was referring to comments about the work of other teams that is not related to webOS. Aug 29 09:20:49 oh Aug 29 09:21:05 im going to get into webos soonish Aug 29 09:21:09 i love webos Aug 29 09:21:20 Swype for webos lol Aug 29 09:21:27 no need Aug 29 09:21:29 |smash, prolly membooting? Aug 29 09:21:31 I love the KB as is Aug 29 09:21:32 <|smash> it is pretty great. Aug 29 09:21:44 * Jack87 loves webos as is :) Aug 29 09:21:55 me too Aug 29 09:21:57 pretty much Aug 29 09:22:03 just need to learn the code Aug 29 09:22:07 i hear its C + javascript Aug 29 09:22:09 and whatnot Aug 29 09:22:16 i thought it was C or java Aug 29 09:22:20 and html css and all Aug 29 09:22:32 if it was java. would be quite easy to bring over apps :( Aug 29 09:22:34 it used to have java services Aug 29 09:22:39 no longer... it uses C now Aug 29 09:22:45 yea i know Aug 29 09:22:47 <|smash> lets all swoon over our shiny black magic internet screens for a second and think about how great webOS is. :p Aug 29 09:22:49 i was excited at first Aug 29 09:22:53 till i heard otherwise Aug 29 09:23:34 most people out there. have moved away from C but who knows really Aug 29 09:23:44 now with all these touchpads out there Aug 29 09:23:54 big market now :) Aug 29 09:24:47 <|smash> pff.. till they stop selling them. way to build a boat and set it on fire hp. wel... Aug 29 09:24:56 <|smash> buy a boat anyway. Aug 29 09:25:36 who knows the selling of all these units. may awake webos Aug 29 09:25:40 thats my idea Aug 29 09:25:41 anyway Aug 29 09:25:47 <3 Cloud computing Aug 29 09:25:50 thank god Aug 29 09:27:09 rhcp, you are patently wrong with this statement "most people out there. have moved away from C but who knows really" Aug 29 09:27:18 C as a programming language is far from dead Aug 29 09:27:36 well its not dead Aug 29 09:27:42 but people have moved to C++/C# Aug 29 09:27:44 <|smash> yeah. I'm miffed about it.. with android and all the existing apps and developers who would pay to license webos? maybe if they give it away.. or the head of samsung or lg or whatever gets fed up with android frag bs... idk Aug 29 09:27:47 more object stuff Aug 29 09:27:55 bruce C is hard to find these days Aug 29 09:27:55 :) Aug 29 09:28:00 C# is a completely different language all together and is un-related to C or C++ Aug 29 09:28:08 im just saying Aug 29 09:28:10 C++ is an evolution of C Aug 29 09:28:13 people have moved Aug 29 09:28:19 |smash, android isnt as fragmented as you say it is lol, most people are on 2.2/2.3(the latest) Aug 29 09:28:30 they prefer easy ways to do thing Aug 29 09:28:30 s Aug 29 09:28:35 and in most conversational topics, C and C++ count for the same programmer base Aug 29 09:28:35 without really knowing whats up Aug 29 09:28:42 most programmers who know one also know the other Aug 29 09:28:59 most programmers who know C (first) then went to C++ Aug 29 09:29:04 because they are fairly closely related Aug 29 09:29:04 wind up coding most of the stuff in C Aug 29 09:29:05 lol Aug 29 09:29:14 yep, you can think of C++ as C2.0 Aug 29 09:29:22 C++ literally means C+1 Aug 29 09:29:29 yea C for dummies really :P Aug 29 09:29:30 if you ask me Aug 29 09:29:32 <|smash> right. not counting all the crap they throw on top of stock android. Aug 29 09:29:41 too many objects to do things for you Aug 29 09:30:05 all depends on what you are after Aug 29 09:30:12 I like to stay in C Aug 29 09:30:36 im really not a object person Aug 29 09:30:38 <|smash> forever? evolve or die I say. Aug 29 09:31:08 i mean i do what i need to do Aug 29 09:31:11 but w/e :) Aug 29 09:31:14 <|smash> not literally. die I mean. Aug 29 09:32:58 <|smash> I bought a book on c in high school and didn't get far. hackers made it look so easy. :p but I suck at math. Aug 29 09:33:05 TP chrooting is fun as hell! thanks cryptk, dtzWill, ka6sox, and a like Aug 29 09:33:17 heh, Jack87 I have moved past chrooting... Aug 29 09:33:22 I am working on native booting now Aug 29 09:33:41 <|smash> woo! I love it. Aug 29 09:34:36 i saw your membooting strategy at least to learn on for Angstrom Aug 29 09:34:52 awesomeness! Aug 29 09:34:53 teases I got my ecu editing software working in Bantu chroot Aug 29 09:35:03 sweet * Aug 29 09:35:03 cryptk: native on what device? Aug 29 09:35:48 <|smash> native debian booting with a properly configured and customized gui would make me not want an android device as much. q3a anyone? bt keyboard n mouse!? bwahaha! Aug 29 09:35:52 ubuntu* Aug 29 09:35:53 rhcp, native on the TP Aug 29 09:35:58 nice :) Aug 29 09:36:12 rhcp, http://cryptkcoding.com/whatdowehavehere.jpg Aug 29 09:36:19 hehe arrow keys work in chroot Aug 29 09:37:26 <|smash> I think that got fixed with xserver update.. Aug 29 09:38:35 eclipse is going to take up 400MB of my partition :( but it should be a good way to show off the power of the TP at school Aug 29 09:39:17 does vlc compile on the arm? Aug 29 09:42:03 <|smash> touch player... also, I think you can get it from the default repository. apt-get install vlc style. Aug 29 09:42:22 coolness thanks Aug 29 09:43:29 yea I just installed eclipse Aug 29 09:44:03 <|smash> I was looking into setting up the tools to cross-compile.. but there isn't much of a point when the chrooting is going on. unless there is something you want that has not been compiled already for arm.. obviously. Aug 29 09:44:56 <|smash> np jack Aug 29 09:49:32 <|smash> on a personal note, I'd be dead without the internet and the ability to converse with people that have similar interests. serious. thanks for existing random people I will never meet. and if I do I won't know it. Aug 29 09:50:48 |smash, funny how the world of ircing works isnt it? Aug 29 09:51:08 and there have been quit a few i have met in the "real world" Aug 29 09:51:32 most being part of the webos community in some way/shape/form Aug 29 09:51:46 <|smash> yes. but I think the whole world is funny. :p meat space? ew. j/k Aug 29 09:52:31 interesting to give faces/voices to em haha Aug 29 09:52:45 and rwhitby in skype form is great to Aug 29 09:52:46 <|smash> if I had the resources, I'd go to all the hacker cons I could. Aug 29 09:53:49 rwhitby, are you hacking away at work? Aug 29 09:54:09 <|smash> yeah? I went to renaissance festival with friends once and they met up with a wow friend. they loled. :p Aug 29 09:54:24 haha Aug 29 09:54:42 wow people are a different bread. Aug 29 09:55:38 <|smash> I did too. he looked like a wow person. well.. you know renfest. . lots of people look like wow people there. heh Aug 29 09:57:34 lul Aug 29 09:57:38 Android Live CD Aug 29 09:57:38 xD Aug 29 09:57:58 * Jack87 shakes his head at android Aug 29 09:58:03 <|smash> anyway. I installed lxde in debian chroot. then I type lxde. no love. Aug 29 09:58:09 Jack87: 7:30pm here, not work. Aug 29 09:58:24 is the Touchstone for the Pre- the same as for the Pre3? Aug 29 09:58:25 rwhitby, ooo dinner/family time Aug 29 09:58:29 <|smash> I actually booted that on my eeepc once. I loled. Aug 29 09:58:57 elfurbe, i dunno but i would bet on it Aug 29 09:59:10 i dunno of any other TS other then TouchPad one and the palm one Aug 29 09:59:37 Jack87: you probably wanted address that to me... so thx for the answer ;) Aug 29 09:59:42 <|smash> yeah. dito. inductive charger is inductive charger. esp. when they both say palm on em. Aug 29 09:59:50 eliasp, haha ya Aug 29 10:00:10 eliasp, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxdjYbQegCk Aug 29 10:00:31 |smash, i think pre 3 says HP on it :) Aug 29 10:00:37 :) Aug 29 10:00:41 hmm, are there any other devices that support inductive charging? Aug 29 10:01:05 AndyMillar, electric tooth brushes since like 10 years ago Aug 29 10:01:18 :-) Aug 29 10:01:27 and some mice Aug 29 10:01:37 <|smash> i've seen mods that wire the touchstone battery cover to other devices.. lol Aug 29 10:01:45 :) Aug 29 10:02:05 ya i seen it done with an evo 4g Aug 29 10:03:15 * Jack87 cant run eclipse on TP chroot :( Aug 29 10:03:29 <|smash> anyone got a number for how many android devices have been put out? like.. ever? 9000 or something? Aug 29 10:03:53 |smash, every other device is an android device Aug 29 10:04:27 <|smash> jack87: eclipse ide? Aug 29 10:04:56 |smash: I'm in the process of putting a touchstone inductive ring on a Nexus S Aug 29 10:05:18 |smash, yes Aug 29 10:05:43 lol Aug 29 10:05:47 rwhitby, webos to nexus s after? Aug 29 10:05:56 <|smash> lol! Aug 29 10:05:59 no, I've had it for some time. Aug 29 10:06:14 <|smash> qemu vm? Aug 29 10:06:30 http://www.amazon.com/Palm-Pre-Touchstone-Back-Cover/dp/B002UNKGMC/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1314612140&sr=8-10 Aug 29 10:06:39 back covers are cheap now ^ Aug 29 10:06:40 <|smash> or native? Aug 29 10:07:05 rwhitby, had the device? or the device running webos? Aug 29 10:07:13 <|smash> touchpad is only $99!? Aug 29 10:07:18 the device, running stock android Aug 29 10:07:26 oh Aug 29 10:07:41 |smash: good luck fidning one Aug 29 10:07:42 i was going to say.. are you holding out on us ;) Aug 29 10:07:43 for that Aug 29 10:07:53 you can't make informed decisions about devices without trying the options Aug 29 10:08:06 |smash, is this your first hearing about the price drop? Aug 29 10:08:19 <|smash> true that. Aug 29 10:08:20 rwhitby, agreed :) Aug 29 10:08:48 * Jack87 just got hooked on palm from samsung i500 Aug 29 10:08:49 too many evangelists have never seriously tried anything else Aug 29 10:08:58 <|smash> yeah jack. madness. I doubt I can find one tho. apparently old news. Aug 29 10:09:24 rwhitby, were you always a fan of palm or discovering webos on it own merit made you enjoy it so much Aug 29 10:09:46 |smash, bes you can do i bet is $200 on local classifieds Aug 29 10:10:06 s/bes/best Aug 29 10:10:16 <|smash> I liked the hardware of the pre. my mom had a pixi and the software kicked my blackberry's ass. rim 'shakes head' Aug 29 10:10:18 * Jack87 sucks at doing that Aug 29 10:10:36 |smash, when did you get your first webos device? Aug 29 10:11:13 <|smash> oh... when I got my pre plus. like.. a year and a half ago or so. Aug 29 10:11:29 Jack87: I re-designed the processor in the Palm V Aug 29 10:11:39 <|smash> its not even activated! and I still love it. Aug 29 10:11:54 well, reimplemented. We had to keep the design the same, down to the bugs even. Aug 29 10:12:44 <|smash> dang. Aug 29 10:12:45 rwhitby, i didnt know! very cool Aug 29 10:13:32 I was working for Motorola at the time. Aug 29 10:13:51 * Jack87 knew he shouldnt have been messing around with chroot on a late sunday night Aug 29 10:14:43 rwhitby: get me a D3 SBF :) Aug 29 10:15:29 heh Aug 29 10:15:34 i would take the ms1 bootloader privatekey :) Aug 29 10:15:59 me too Aug 29 10:16:00 ;) Aug 29 10:16:13 * Jack87 needs to remember rwhitby's been in the game for a long time. Aug 29 10:16:34 Hi Aug 29 10:16:59 I was wondering if anyone can help me with an issue with JS service? Aug 29 10:17:21 node.js ? Aug 29 10:17:36 yes Aug 29 10:18:24 Basically, I'm running into activity manager permission issues Aug 29 10:18:40 I have a workaround, but a soultion would be nice Aug 29 10:19:06 <|smash> are they not one in the same? Aug 29 10:19:41 mongoman: can't say I've delved into the activity manager Aug 29 10:19:50 mongoman: is your code accessible anyway? Aug 29 10:20:03 Hang on... Aug 29 10:20:33 <|smash> rwhitby is a digital o.g. props. Aug 29 10:23:26 rwhitby, did you scare him off? Aug 29 10:24:05 * rwhitby doesn't see joins and parts - I have those events turned off Aug 29 10:25:03 :) Aug 29 10:25:10 <|smash> framework, you said something about alien dev.. something.. that android needs? and if that was installed with dependents met you could run android apps? you think that's what rim did with the playbook? Aug 29 10:26:59 i think he was just in via web irc Aug 29 10:29:45 alien dev? Aug 29 10:29:46 lol Aug 29 10:29:48 Alien Dalvik Aug 29 10:30:27 thats how the playbook runs the apps, because it has all the dalvik crap Aug 29 10:31:30 <|smash> ah ha. I figured it out without either device. ever! Aug 29 10:33:17 <|smash> w/e Aug 29 10:39:45 <|smash> well. later. Aug 29 10:39:59 errr Aug 29 10:40:12 Im stuck in xserver and cant get the keyboard to pop up Aug 29 10:40:12 lol Aug 29 10:40:58 Framework: you arent stuck - you can hit the cards button and switch apps and such Aug 29 10:41:03 Framework: restart luna Aug 29 10:44:22 Framework, go to cardview and back Aug 29 10:44:26 hit home button Aug 29 10:44:49 oh haha ya what scorche|sh said Aug 29 10:46:41 xD Aug 29 10:46:45 how do I start lxde Aug 29 10:47:43 i didnt think the arrow keys worked in webos Aug 29 10:47:53 but looks like they are working... at least when i type stuff Aug 29 10:48:20 alright im out Aug 29 10:48:22 gnight all Aug 29 10:54:15 this isnt directly related to this channel, likely, but i installed ubuntu on my touchpad and am trying to get right click to work - i saw in the precentral forums that installing libgtkstylus and issuing "export GTK_MODULES=libgtkstylus.so" will make tap-and-hold work for right-clicking, but this doesnt seem to really do anything for me... Aug 29 10:57:40 mornin' Aug 29 11:10:09 blahness : does eright klick working?? Aug 29 11:11:49 Technikfreak: huh? Aug 29 11:12:26 rwhitby, a user on precentral x-server thread was talking about using mount --bind for CPU in chroot. I'm not an expert at this stuff. What advantage/disadvantage does that have over mount -t? Aug 29 11:13:11 for /proc ? Aug 29 11:14:26 pezman726: please test it out for both mount -t's Aug 29 11:14:34 if it works, I'm happy to change it Aug 29 11:15:24 CPU and devpts? Aug 29 11:15:24 will do Aug 29 11:15:27 thanks Aug 29 11:20:00 also, is there a more proper way to quit ubuntu without potentially harming anything other than just swiping the card away? - i do have /dev/mapper/store-media mounted which makes me a but nervous about swiping the card away... Aug 29 11:21:12 blahness: put any mount and unmount commands in the chroot-wrapper, then they unmounts will be done when you swipe away Aug 29 11:21:36 rwhitby: where is this chroot-wrapper? Aug 29 11:21:43 appdir/bin Aug 29 11:22:05 ok - thanks Aug 29 11:32:33 it looks like those changes for the privileged user and mount check are there, so I don't need to test those rwhitby? Aug 29 11:33:22 yep, I added those the other day Aug 29 11:34:16 I'm thinking I should re-doctor my Pixi and touchpad...gonna need more than 2GB in my ext3fs partition!! Aug 29 11:37:41 Chrome OS Chroot :p Aug 29 11:46:51 go make one Framework Aug 29 11:47:24 that's what rwhitby told me to do with debian ;-) Aug 29 11:48:29 Hi, anybody knows why Veer 2.1.1 (EU/GSM) stock kernel is not in the preware feeds? Aug 29 11:49:02 want to test uberkernel with my veer and would feel a little save with stock kernel being available :) Aug 29 11:50:23 Olodin: good point. it's an oversight, cause the doctor was not available Aug 29 11:53:21 @rwhitby: oversight sounds, as if it were no problem to add it (and since the doctor is listed on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions#Veer ...) Aug 29 11:53:39 would be cool if it was added! :) Aug 29 11:53:42 Olodin: doing that now Aug 29 11:54:19 thx! Aug 29 12:01:32 where are the sources for ubuntu 11.04 chroot - or do i need to unpack the .ipk file to get to them? - I was using Tide to edit files on the touchpad, and it seems instead of saving, it wiped out the chroot-wrapper.sh file... Aug 29 12:03:18 hi there, im want to rebuild the f15c kernel so I can add a few networking features, any idea where i can get the patches and .configs used? Aug 29 12:04:41 yes, in out git repo Aug 29 12:05:17 yeah i found that but eveythingin the master branch seems to be against the 2.6.24 kernel Aug 29 12:05:33 patches are in kernels/patches.git Aug 29 12:06:01 if you want to add stuff, talk to uNiXpSyChO for f15c or myself for uberkernel Aug 29 12:06:48 yeah mainly i wanted to add tun/tap and ipx Aug 29 12:07:25 easiest is to send a tenderloin_defconfig feature patch Aug 29 12:07:40 okay Aug 29 12:07:42 thanks Aug 29 12:07:46 np Aug 29 12:09:30 IPX? Aug 29 12:10:30 Olodin: should appear in the feeds within the hour Aug 29 12:10:31 yeah, got it setup as nostalgia in my home network Aug 29 12:10:38 also ra2 Aug 29 12:16:02 Olodin: recovery kernel should be there now Aug 29 12:16:07 directhex: IPX/SPX are some old Novell networking protocolls. (Some ID shooters used it for local multiplayer games...) Aug 29 12:16:21 red alert 2 also Aug 29 12:16:44 Olodin, i know what IPX is. i'm just wondering why on earth one would want it on a tablet Aug 29 12:17:07 maybe for playing duke nukem via WiFi :) Aug 29 12:17:42 rwhitby: thanks. I'm going ready for uberkernel now! Aug 29 12:17:59 it should be built soon Aug 29 12:18:09 Olodin, except you'd be using a linux engine replacement, like eduke32, which uses tcp for multiplayer ;) Aug 29 12:19:39 directhex: didn't know of that one *reading* Aug 29 12:52:40 rwhitby in chroot-wrapper you are mounting dev/pts to devpts. If I change to --bind /devpts that doesnt exist. Use /dev/pts instead? Aug 29 12:53:20 pezman726 hai Aug 29 12:53:30 hello Aug 29 12:53:42 /dev/pts is what i'd use on every other distro in every other case Aug 29 12:53:59 anyway, https://github.com/crimsonredmk/ArchLinuxARM-Chroot-TouchPad Aug 29 12:54:04 :D Aug 29 12:56:57 what exactly is the upstart script for, as seen in pmPostInstall? Aug 29 12:58:43 upstart script is what launches start-xterm, which calls all the commands to start the chroot Aug 29 12:59:50 it is called from executah Aug 29 13:00:26 (but executed needs to know about it in advance) Aug 29 13:00:34 executah* Aug 29 13:00:38 ok, would any modifications be necessary to executah?….err yeah :P Aug 29 13:03:39 what advantage does archlinux have over ubuntu and debian Aug 29 13:04:06 the advantage of being archlinux? heh Aug 29 13:04:41 same as on any other platform in any other case - everyone has his or her favorites Aug 29 13:04:50 heh Aug 29 13:06:08 the only reason I did debian was cuz ubuntu didn't work on my pixi Aug 29 13:06:17 people argue that pacman is faster than apt-get (true) but apt-get has many more features (also true), but the real reason people like arch is because of the bleeding edge packages, unlike ubuntu where they're more stable and released as a new distro upgrade, but each to his own Aug 29 13:06:17 heh Aug 29 13:06:54 and apt is generally faster and more full than yum Aug 29 13:07:25 don't get me started on RPM, what a disaster :P Aug 29 13:07:41 you might also want to find a way to download and create the chroot on the fly and include it in your package, instead hosting a preware .tgz on your own server Aug 29 13:07:50 but i guess fedora-arm would work on the touchpad too, heh Aug 29 13:07:54 premade* Aug 29 13:08:03 yeah where i work they were trying to claim that yum was better than apt Aug 29 13:08:08 rpm is more sophisticated than dpkg, in some ways Aug 29 13:08:12 it's pants-on-head retarded in others Aug 29 13:08:26 will arch work on armv6? Aug 29 13:08:36 the lack of anything like Replaces and dpkg-divert is a crime against nature Aug 29 13:08:38 yeah, personally apt all the way (mainly cos i can debug it if it goes wrong!) Aug 29 13:08:49 yeah i was thinking of doing that pezman726, but wasn't sure if including a pacman binary and all the libraries in the ipk would really make sense…pacman can't be statically compiled either Aug 29 13:08:58 and the whole dist-update working properly Aug 29 13:09:17 pezman726 yeah, you'll have to use the armv5te rootfs though Aug 29 13:10:00 now that you mention it, the pre/pixi line is armv6, right? Aug 29 13:10:17 Pixi is 6 Aug 29 13:10:18 i've only been thinking about the armv7 in the touchpad :/ Aug 29 13:10:21 pre is 7 Aug 29 13:11:23 hmm, well the armv5te rootfs is here http://archlinuxarm.org/os/ArchLinuxARM-armv5te-latest.tar.gz and it'll work on all palm devices :D Aug 29 13:12:15 derp Aug 29 13:12:38 you are getting the tgz straight from the source!!! I am a moron Aug 29 13:13:32 im trying to add a ramdisk to a uimage multi, but it fails to boot, i can boot the kernel on its own but when I add a ramdisk it refuses to boot Aug 29 13:13:46 anyone lese had this problem at all? Aug 29 13:42:08 is there something like upnp/dlna available? Aug 29 14:25:34 are people really bricking their TP? Aug 29 14:30:33 are they? Aug 29 14:30:39 I guess so Aug 29 14:31:28 did someone point SuperPhly to /media/internal/.xinitrc? xD Aug 29 14:32:13 cyclic: you asked it X11 gets setup from wIDK--yep, although it's a little dirty atm :/. If you go to build it lmk and i'll work to make it neater Aug 29 14:34:38 dtzWill: thanks. I am about to build it here in a bit. just go into the x folder and make stage? I am still getting used to this cross-compiling stuff (noob). do I need to go into my scratch box armv7 mapping before running make for X11 or just run it and it does the SB2 in the current Makefile? Aug 29 14:35:44 elpollodiablo1: it's not so easy to brick it or is it? Aug 29 14:35:45 Framework: whoa the SNES source isn't published to the git website?? o_O or is it just early and i'm blind Aug 29 14:35:52 I was looking for it Aug 29 14:35:53 :/ Aug 29 14:35:55 couldnt find it Aug 29 14:36:02 dwc-: what issue(s) do you have with x server's vkb not being set per tweaks? Aug 29 14:36:13 cyclic: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Xecutah might help with making X Aug 29 14:36:13 oh, nvm. Aug 29 14:36:17 I don't Aug 29 14:36:35 elpollodiablo1: nice! thank you Aug 29 14:36:36 dtzWill, are you the dev for it? :-P Aug 29 14:37:21 rwhitby: re keyboard disappearing thing--i think that's people with bluetooth keyboards and behavior around that. ( http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/240926-x-server-pre-20.html#post3111596 etc) Aug 29 14:39:31 elpollodiablo1: this wiki page is awesome, just what I needed => Aug 29 14:40:06 we need a #webos-xserver or something lol Aug 29 14:40:23 cyclic: welcome, that is what I wrote up when I was first building it 2-3 weeks ago Aug 29 14:40:25 Framework: I am :) Aug 29 14:40:36 :) Aug 29 14:40:41 elpollodiablo1: before the fire sale? Aug 29 14:40:42 Wheres the source code? Aug 29 14:40:43 nao Aug 29 14:40:46 :-P Aug 29 14:40:55 oh yeah, I am a long time Webos user Aug 29 14:41:10 nice Aug 29 14:41:13 cyclic: you'll need to do all the WIDK stuff (setup, etc) and then 'make stage' from xorg-server should do the trick (it'll call sb2, etc, for you) Aug 29 14:41:44 nodejs, cross compiling, cards Aug 29 14:41:44 where the hell have I been? Aug 29 14:41:44 i feel like such an old schooler after look at web os's source Aug 29 14:41:57 all set with sb2 Aug 29 14:42:22 cyclic: be sure to run 'make setup' from root of cc to have it grab the rootfs/toolchain and set that up neatly Aug 29 14:42:42 cyclic: i might not be good about updating WIDK to latest versions, but otherwise it should work Aug 29 14:42:57 k thanks! Aug 29 14:43:36 I will report back with findings and try to keep track of anything that I can contribute in the wiki Aug 29 14:43:45 cyclic: sure thing, and tyvm. Aug 29 14:44:14 hi there, im having issues booting a ramdisk, my kernel boots fine, but i cant get it to use the ramdisk Aug 29 14:45:03 this is on a touchpad Aug 29 14:48:17 Framework: it's on our git server, but appaerntly not marked for public view. I'm pushing to github as we speak Aug 29 14:48:30 (I don't have the ability to fix that) Aug 29 14:48:47 gracias Aug 29 14:48:49 :P Aug 29 14:50:42 Framework: https://github.com/dtzWill/supernes Aug 29 14:50:49 Awesomesauce Aug 29 14:51:08 hehe nice Aug 29 14:51:31 (it always should have been on git.webos-internals.org, sorry that i missed it in the transition) Aug 29 14:52:02 if y'all poke at it, feel free to hit me up if you have any questions/issues Aug 29 14:52:21 awesome thanks for that, dtzWill ! Aug 29 14:52:46 cyclic: lol, hardly. the port was mostly done a year ago :) Aug 29 14:52:50 still need to update it for the touchpad... Aug 29 14:53:04 it's ok, i barely sleep ;) Aug 29 14:53:36 I will see what I can do Aug 29 14:53:46 creationix: congrats on the node knockout submission - looks neat Aug 29 14:54:11 bpadalino: thanks Aug 29 14:54:19 did you know there is open voting for it? Aug 29 14:54:23 dtzWill: what do you think about adding SDL to the X stuff? Aug 29 14:54:23 https://twitter.com/#!/creationix/status/108189399795240961 Aug 29 14:54:34 cyclic: what do you mean? Aug 29 14:54:36 creationix: i did not! Aug 29 14:54:52 well, since SDL handles multi-touch Aug 29 14:55:08 cyclic: apparently everyone except for me knew that X supported multitouch Aug 29 14:55:24 last time i checked that was not the case, or i misunderstood Aug 29 14:55:50 cyclic: does stock SDL support multitouch? Aug 29 14:55:51 cyclic: the x server uses SDL already--if the x server wants multi-touch input, barring some kdrive issues it should be straightforward to generate those events Aug 29 14:55:59 well webos SDL supports multitouch Aug 29 14:55:59 or just the palm patched one that's part of PDK Aug 29 14:56:04 creationix: how did you end up taking the news a few weeks ago? indifferent? Aug 29 14:56:15 (used in ...all of my application-based frontends hehe) Aug 29 14:56:20 bpadalino: interesting Aug 29 14:56:42 dtzWill: what about apps in cards from X? Aug 29 14:56:44 cyclic: so idk what you mean 'add SDL'--it's xSDL it's about as sdl-ified as X gets :) Aug 29 14:56:45 bpadalino: I am a little sad the TouchPad won't be made anymore. I worked on that particular one for a while Aug 29 14:57:00 oh dtzWill ... I didn't know that :) Aug 29 14:57:08 I have yet to dig in Aug 29 14:57:15 creationix: it's a nice piece of hardware .. though with all these new people giving it a shot at firesale prices, it must make you feel good when they say "You know, webOS isn't too bad at all" Aug 29 14:57:18 even other rendering codes i've toyed with will still use SDL as input Aug 29 14:57:27 it's possible we skip SDL to get access to the ESC key before luna does? but that's about it. Aug 29 14:57:42 bpadalino: indeed. the firesale is fun, except now I can't buy one for personal use Aug 29 14:58:06 dtzWill: SDL gets the escape event? Aug 29 14:58:15 creationix: no Aug 29 14:58:27 luna consumes it before it passes events to SDL Aug 29 14:58:32 that's what I thought Aug 29 14:58:37 but, I was hopeful Aug 29 14:58:51 nah, that's why we might just hit up something lower level for input, shrug Aug 29 14:58:55 other than patching and re-building luna I'm not sure how to get the escape key Aug 29 14:59:01 creationix: right, now you just need to get yourself a prototype pre3 and keep that as a souvenir Aug 29 14:59:26 bpadalino: I've got enough prototypes, but it's not the same Aug 29 14:59:31 :( Aug 29 14:59:37 there are hardware quirks and I technically don't own them Aug 29 14:59:56 creationix: i was particularly sad when i heard a good number of devices were cancelled .. some that looked pretty cool even Aug 29 15:00:28 as long as we can keep webOS alive, there will be cool hardware again Aug 29 15:00:36 if not, I'm not sure what I will do Aug 29 15:00:46 i suggest a bender .. Aug 29 15:08:20 creationix: we should be able to detect esc just as easily as luna does :) Aug 29 15:08:38 dtzWill: cool, but at what level? Aug 29 15:08:49 anything SDL is running on top of Luna Aug 29 15:10:19 creationix: right, so hit up whatever luna gets the input from Aug 29 15:11:19 kernel scancodes, etc. checking /dev/console would probably be enough xD Aug 29 15:11:43 dtzWill: cool, good luck Aug 29 15:12:25 creationix: tyty Aug 29 15:14:27 where does the keyboard layout come from? Aug 29 15:15:47 cyclic: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Changing_keyboard_layout_on_Touchpad is best i know of on that front Aug 29 15:16:05 ah nice Aug 29 15:16:12 thx! Aug 29 15:18:56 cyclic: it is stored in binary file. Link that dtzWill have given is really very descriptive (at least I believe so) Aug 29 15:19:38 LunaSysMgr? Aug 29 15:20:37 is the webOS hotspot app open source? Aug 29 15:21:19 is anyone still working on getting an android player/emulator working in webos? can't find any info on it apart from one thread on xda Aug 29 15:21:56 brick Aug 29 15:21:56 rubiks, yes Aug 29 15:21:56 cyclic: Yup Aug 29 15:22:10 there is alot more than xda lets on. Aug 29 15:22:21 xda != good place to go. Aug 29 15:22:26 awesome :) Aug 29 15:22:32 Yeah, that is a nice wiki page for sure. Aug 29 15:22:50 is there anywhere else where we can get info on it? i.e updates Aug 29 15:23:11 Thanks for that Compvir! Aug 29 15:23:22 there is. but i've been informed not to talk about that here. Aug 29 15:23:54 ahk Aug 29 15:24:02 well atleast there's still some development on it Aug 29 15:24:20 rubiks, there are more devices needed if you care. PM me. Aug 29 15:24:32 end of topic. Aug 29 15:24:34 carry on Aug 29 15:25:01 hey anyone know what that little plastic piece that pops out of the touchpad is all about? Aug 29 15:25:11 plastic piece Aug 29 15:25:13 ? Aug 29 15:25:43 yeah Aug 29 15:25:51 the same side as the power button Aug 29 15:26:03 at the bottom? Aug 29 15:26:09 if you look there looks like there is a plastic button Aug 29 15:26:16 it you push it it pops out Aug 29 15:26:24 it's the mac address and serial # Aug 29 15:27:04 thats it? Aug 29 15:27:29 yep, this would have been the SIM slot on the 4G TouchPad Aug 29 15:27:45 ahg ok Aug 29 15:29:53 hello. Aug 29 15:31:29 what is the difference between sdk and pdk Aug 29 15:31:37 pdk for c development Aug 29 15:32:53 Well, if someone doesn't have a touchpad I can stream the display on my tp via my webcam, boot into ubuntu and run teamviewer so you have access to novaterm Aug 29 15:33:02 PDK is "plugin development kit", for designing browser plugins. note: this explanation may lack some key features Aug 29 15:33:45 whoops Aug 29 15:33:48 wrong channel Aug 29 15:35:50 siestacat: you mean c/c++ ? Aug 29 15:37:10 Are there any good RSS feeds to subscrive to for webOS news? (preware and official) Aug 29 15:38:18 so what is sdk used for then? Aug 29 15:39:33 can someone explain to me the major differences in using enyo, sdk, or pdk to build a web os app? Aug 29 15:40:54 the SDK is for making reguar webos apps with javascript. old versions of the SDK use an API called Mojo, new ones use a new API called Enyo Aug 29 15:41:22 the PDK is for making non-javascript apps - e.g. games written in C. you can also write hybrid apps with some C and some Javascript Aug 29 15:42:24 am I correct in saying SDK apps require you to host the app on a server that is constantly being hit, where as PDK give you the option to build apps that can live in the device natively? Aug 29 15:45:07 riskish2, no, you're as wrong as you were when you asked that in #webos Aug 29 15:45:24 riskish, enyo apps, much like mojo before it, are html and javascript and crap that get installed onto the local webos device. whether that locally installed app makes calls that require a web server is a separate issue. Aug 29 15:47:13 ah ok, so if I'm just starting odds are I should use enyo/sdk Aug 29 15:47:37 thx directhex. Aug 29 16:00:09 video of my webgl bindings http://creationix.com/minimason.m4v Aug 29 16:00:19 is there any way to get wpa2 with peap working Aug 29 16:07:31 does webos recognize support html5? Aug 29 16:08:16 riskish2: https://developer.palm.com/ Aug 29 16:08:28 all the info you need is there Aug 29 16:08:47 riskish2: but in short yes Aug 29 16:09:07 Cool. Aug 29 16:09:14 I just picked up a touchpad during the firesale Aug 29 16:09:20 trying to build an app today for fun Aug 29 16:11:06 you have the SDK installed, and have looked at the basic sample code? Aug 29 16:11:10 they have good tutorials and starter app information there. they walk you through the whole proccess. Aug 29 16:11:13 be back in a while...going to redoctor the touchpad with a much larger ext3fs partition! Aug 29 16:35:24 so nobody knows how to get webos on a wpa2 (w/ peap) network? Aug 29 16:40:44 I no longer use a wpa2-enterprise network Aug 29 16:40:48 so no idea Aug 29 16:42:39 it's probably going to depend on which EAP method you actually need Aug 29 16:43:05 I know LEAP isn't supported by wpa_supplicant for insecurity reasons Aug 29 16:47:23 how are boot animations made for webos? Aug 29 16:47:29 isn't it a .tga or something? Aug 29 17:23:09 having issues with 'make toolchain': 7z x -y -so $< 4.hfs > toolchain/sdk/Palm_webOS_SDK.2.1.0.519.hfs Aug 29 17:23:13 -bash: 4.hfs: No such file or directory Aug 29 17:23:50 actually that's supposed to be 1.4.5.465.hfs Aug 29 17:24:36 then you need to scroll up in your output to see where the file was supposed to be downloaded... sound like there might be an error Aug 29 17:25:56 it's downloaded to ../doctors Aug 29 17:26:32 i never see anything to rename it to 4.hfs Aug 29 17:29:22 oh wait Aug 29 17:29:23 hmm Aug 29 17:29:33 what's $< Aug 29 17:29:40 that looks like something that isn't being expanded properly Aug 29 17:29:58 that was my question Aug 29 17:30:41 what kind of system is this on Aug 29 17:31:30 http://pastebin.com/M973hPKn Aug 29 17:31:37 Debian x64 Aug 29 17:31:50 hm, so that should definitely be gnu make Aug 29 17:32:11 can you confirm that you have doctors/Palm_webOS_SDK.1.4.5.465.dmg ? Aug 29 17:32:15 i do Aug 29 17:32:31 $< should have expanded to the name of the first dependency Aug 29 17:32:43 I'm not sure hwy it's not, but you can replace the $< in line 4 with that file Aug 29 17:32:43 when you guys have a min, i have a question Aug 29 17:32:54 262M Aug 29 17:33:08 and then see if it works after that Aug 29 17:33:28 wIRC is really quite slick now Aug 29 17:33:40 would it ever be appcat compatible? Aug 29 17:33:44 i have a few questions about the chroot setup Aug 29 17:33:47 it is in the appcat Aug 29 17:33:55 just, that one has no SSL support Aug 29 17:34:16 ah damnit. is ssl a restricted api? Aug 29 17:34:56 I believe so, for now Aug 29 17:36:39 that is rather weak on HP's part Aug 29 17:38:01 Whomever fixed the Control key for keyboards in Xecutah/Xserver/Xterm: THANK YOU. Aug 29 17:38:03 this is probably a problem: Processing archive: doctors/Palm_webOS_SDK.1.4.5.465.dmg Aug 29 17:38:07 Error: Can not open file as archive Aug 29 17:38:13 dtzWill: Was that you? Aug 29 17:38:28 7z t doctors/Palm_webOS_SDK.1.4.5.465.dmg ? Aug 29 17:39:02 same thing Aug 29 17:39:05 bad file? Aug 29 17:39:37 huh? Aug 29 17:39:44 you're on OSX? Aug 29 17:39:56 Why are you 7z'ing a dmg? Aug 29 17:40:01 ok, i have a few questions about the debian/buntu chroot setup Aug 29 17:40:13 AtomicPlayboy: yep, and you're welcome :) Aug 29 17:40:25 Thank you, you made Xterm usable for me. :) Aug 29 17:40:27 i know i need a custom partition Aug 29 17:40:29 may I suggest using the OSX tools for using disk images like diskutil Aug 29 17:40:45 no...it's in the build script for cross-compile Aug 29 17:40:51 Also, debian chroot FTW. Aug 29 17:40:57 Whomever put that together, also thank you. Aug 29 17:40:57 but is there a way to backup my TP to do that? Aug 29 17:41:04 or do i have to wipe it? Aug 29 17:41:10 Debian chroot = pezman Aug 29 17:41:18 Cool. Aug 29 17:41:35 jrabbit: on Debian x64, not OSX Aug 29 17:41:44 Ah. Aug 29 17:41:49 http://pastebin.com/M973hPKn Aug 29 17:41:51 ... Aug 29 17:41:55 that's the line in the Makefile Aug 29 17:42:20 Don't close the server list card Aug 29 17:42:21 wait, ctrl got fixed? is that for TouchPad? Aug 29 17:42:23 Noted Aug 29 17:42:49 4.hfs is supposed to be a pipe I think Aug 29 17:43:02 Also also...is it just me, or are there a crap ton more people in here than I remember? Aug 29 17:43:05 summatusmentis: bt keyboard supports control/alt/arrow keys Aug 29 17:43:15 summatusmentis: the vkb does not, since it doesn't have those tings Aug 29 17:43:20 Oh yeah Aug 29 17:43:21 dtzWill: oh, this is not relevent then :) Aug 29 17:43:21 escape still doesn't work since luna likes to om nom nom it Aug 29 17:43:30 Is there a substitute for pgup/pgdn? Aug 29 17:43:35 I been meaning to ask about that. Aug 29 17:43:46 what about using your apple bt keyboard? Aug 29 17:44:40 djhomeboy: are you talking to me? Aug 29 17:45:00 just asking in general I guess Aug 29 17:45:36 djhomeboy: my understanding (I don't personally have one) is that the apple bt keyboard works great Aug 29 17:46:16 ya it seen it right away Aug 29 17:46:17 nice Aug 29 17:46:25 Apple BT keyboard is almost identical to HP BT keyboard, but the top row doesn't quite function the same Aug 29 17:46:34 And as dtzWill said, they ESC key doesn't work on either. Aug 29 17:46:39 the ESC key Aug 29 17:51:00 are there any plans to patch the phone app on the touchpad to sync with other phones? Aug 29 17:51:50 can you be more clear about what you mean? Aug 29 17:53:12 BrettQ: sounds like it. rm it and download it again Aug 29 17:53:48 for reference Aug 29 17:53:51 b5c19dc0eaa572c4c2365d4afdb069e0 /srv/preware/cross-compile/doctors/Palm_webOS_SDK.1.4.5.465.dmg Aug 29 17:54:14 274612455 2010-06-16 20:48 /srv/preware/cross-compile/doctors/Palm_webOS_SDK.1.4.5.465.dmg Aug 29 17:54:18 is what I have Aug 29 17:54:50 well you know how if you have a pre3 or a veer you can have your phone app on the touchpad dial out? my wife has a (unspeakable) device I was wondering if there are plans to patch the BT so the phone app works with other phones... Aug 29 17:55:37 dwc-: thanks...re-downloaded and get the same thing Aug 29 17:55:52 Oh, as standard BT headset Aug 29 17:55:57 dial + talk Aug 29 17:56:04 Instead of just restricted to other webOS dvices Aug 29 17:56:05 devices Aug 29 17:56:23 BrettQ: does your size and md5 match mine? Aug 29 17:56:42 yes Aug 29 17:56:53 7z doesn't recognize it as a valid archive Aug 29 17:57:06 what version of 7z are you using? Aug 29 17:57:23 ii p7zip-full 9.04~dfsg.1-1 7z and 7za file archivers with high compression ratio Aug 29 17:57:33 ah Aug 29 17:58:00 i'm apparently on an old version Aug 29 17:58:06 4.58beta Aug 29 17:58:13 thanks! Aug 29 18:00:25 so that's a yeah? need alpha tedters Aug 29 18:00:34 testers*? Aug 29 18:02:03 dwc-: thanks for the help...it was the version of 7z Aug 29 18:09:07 updated wiki with the 7-zip version info: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK#Prerequisites Aug 29 18:15:45 BrettQ, thanks Aug 29 18:21:14 brettq: sweet Aug 29 18:24:37 dwc-: can you let me know what version of qemu you have? Aug 29 19:10:12 dtzWill: ping! Aug 29 19:13:19 Cerealklr|Asleep: xkcd.com/269 Aug 29 19:14:12 Cerealklr|Asleep: (pong) Aug 29 19:14:56 How are you today? Aug 29 19:15:21 Also, Curses, i've become the butt of my own joke. Aug 29 19:16:56 I was wondering what the name of the system you were using to launch/config X was, again? Aug 29 19:17:17 I figured if I could read about it a bit I might be able to take some of the effort out of all the work I've been needing you to do wih it. =P Aug 29 19:17:25 Cerealklr: hmm? and i'm well. trying to get back to my work instead of webos, the great succubus Aug 29 19:17:43 Heh, rather understandable. Aug 29 19:17:52 Cerealklr: what are you hoping to do? and the right answer is to probably extend/redesign xecutah to do what we'd like Aug 29 19:18:15 Well, the first issue is the XServer crashing silently Aug 29 19:18:20 Cerealklr: which is also my answer--X is launched via xecutah Aug 29 19:18:32 Cerealklr: should be fixed in v0.8.2, but v0.8.3 is out Aug 29 19:18:35 and the second is the XServer not seeing the touch screen as multi-touch capable Aug 29 19:18:41 Cerealklr: if it's not let me know. Aug 29 19:18:51 Cerealklr: multi-touch will require hacking that into sdl.c Aug 29 19:19:08 oh, let me see what version i'm on then Aug 29 19:19:12 I haven't checked in a day or so Aug 29 19:19:16 if it's posible, it's probably easy (just pas trough the multitouch events reported by SDL and hope for the best) Aug 29 19:19:28 but i know nothing about to what extent/how X supports multitouch Aug 29 19:19:50 Well, it looks from this side as though the events are just passed through and assumed to be interpreted on the other side Aug 29 19:20:01 (e.g. gnome uses the GEIS library) Aug 29 19:21:22 0.o Aug 29 19:21:25 googling "x multitouch" gets me MPX lol Aug 29 19:21:26 I'm pretty sure Aug 29 19:21:36 Preware isn't supposed to close itself Aug 29 19:21:40 while updating XServer Aug 29 19:21:53 0o Aug 29 19:21:58 heyoh Aug 29 19:21:59 it's claiming Preware got updated Aug 29 19:22:03 but it wasn't in the update list Aug 29 19:22:07 curious Aug 29 19:22:09 how hard is it to get access to the app catalog in the emu? Aug 29 19:23:59 Cerealklr: anyway x isn't configured, it's kdrive so it's statically configured Aug 29 19:24:19 dtz! Great work on X!! /me very excited :) Aug 29 19:24:22 and startupis done via yay scripts launched from upstart triggered by xecutah (to be unjailed) Aug 29 19:24:25 kdrive is the name I was looking for. I figured it'd be better for me to research it than to bug you about it Aug 29 19:24:27 ajay: :D ty Aug 29 19:24:35 that makes sense Aug 29 19:24:45 well kdrive seems to mean different things to diffrent people at different times hehe Aug 29 19:24:48 but anyway, GL sir. Aug 29 19:25:05 .... Aug 29 19:25:08 Cerealklr: if i had multitouch support, how would i test it? where would i be able to use it? Aug 29 19:25:09 WOOOOOO Aug 29 19:25:25 whatever you did in 8.3 not only fixed silent crashes,. it actually fixed the crash Aug 29 19:25:27 dtzWill: I'll have to find someone else to bug about meego then, and leave you to continue your good works :) Aug 29 19:25:30 I was experiencing Aug 29 19:25:33 i'm 90% ready to package! Aug 29 19:25:46 <333 Aug 29 19:25:50 oo, there's no meego tablet yet huh? Maybe it'll be easy to find recruits.. :^) Aug 29 19:26:18 this is excellent! Aug 29 19:26:36 lets test out playing some music Aug 29 19:26:39 =] Aug 29 19:27:14 dtzWill: Out of curiosity, what was it that was causing the crash? Did you isolate it, or were there a number of changes you made? Aug 29 19:27:37 on the touchpad Aug 29 19:27:38 hey does anyone know if its possible (and how) to right click in ubuntu chroot with lxde Aug 29 19:30:06 ajay: at this point I don't even know if Meego will end up on tablets! with Nokia dropping out of it it just leaves Intel and they don't really have much of a reason to put too much effort into it since they wouldn't even be building hardware for it Aug 29 19:30:52 DQn3tsWRK: I believe it's under mouse settings? There's a setting for allowing a right click with a long click… So it may be under accessibility settings. Someone the other day mentioned it, I haven't tried it myself Aug 29 19:31:15 mouse settings where Aug 29 19:31:24 SineOt: i think what you said goes well with my point! Aug 29 19:32:10 DQn3tsWRK: Don't know. I've never used lxde Aug 29 19:32:39 ajay: #meego ftw Aug 29 19:33:13 * Jack87 's office secritary bugs the shit out of him Aug 29 19:33:28 BrettQ: I'll def go talk to them, i think there are folks working on a dualboot of meego already, i'm interested in finding folks to work on a meego chroot Aug 29 19:33:29 tho Aug 29 19:34:06 your best bet is qole, he did the debian chroot for Maemo Aug 29 19:34:45 not sure what a meego port to the TP would add though Aug 29 19:34:48 BrettQ: hmm, interesting.. i have a feeling the other way around would be harder, but i'm curious Aug 29 19:35:09 probably Aug 29 19:35:19 i have only used harmattan, not vanilla meego Aug 29 19:35:34 BrettQ: a mobile OS in a chroot makes a little more sense than a debian. plus, you could probably have both, since i bet meego could be tweaked to add debian/ubuntu feeds to it Aug 29 19:37:11 Sooo Quick Office update FTW? :p Aug 29 19:37:13 what's the ipk name for the TP appcat? Aug 29 19:37:36 ajay: it just depends on what you are actually wanting...debian/ubuntu chroot are great mixed with Optware Aug 29 19:37:52 i wish i could have XTerm and a chroot open at the same time though Aug 29 19:38:23 Abyssul, its released? Aug 29 19:38:52 BrettQ: I want 1) a mobile-designed chroot env, 2) access to meego/ubuntu/debian/optware apps Aug 29 19:39:30 Yep. document editing is official now :) Aug 29 19:39:41 how to force update? Aug 29 19:39:46 Abyssul: what what! Aug 29 19:39:52 Abyssul: yay! Aug 29 19:39:56 Yep. check your software manager Aug 29 19:40:11 Abyssul: my head is going to explode if vaporware becomes real.. next thing you're going to tell me you can TTS! Aug 29 19:40:13 (adobe reader too) Aug 29 19:40:14 niceness Aug 29 19:40:15 have to give props to QO for releasing it despite HPs blunder Aug 29 19:40:30 Piscal is coming to in 45 days Aug 29 19:40:34 BrettQ, agreed Aug 29 19:40:37 folks Aug 29 19:40:41 wow this channel exploded Aug 29 19:40:46 like wtf ? Aug 29 19:40:55 go go firesale! Aug 29 19:40:56 bhuey, it has been since the firesale Aug 29 19:40:57 besides they put a lot of time and resources into and hype.. it be a shame if they didnt release it Aug 29 19:40:57 BrettQ: well, if Kerris was tweeting it, sounds like they were still paying/pushing QO to put out the update Aug 29 19:41:07 Abyssul: yeah, I bet Aug 29 19:41:10 Jack87, we are used to broken promises Aug 29 19:41:15 ajay: and that's a good thing Aug 29 19:41:19 * bhuey works in the webos kernel group Aug 29 19:41:24 bhuey, i think its only about 50 more users than usual Aug 29 19:41:29 Abyssul, true Aug 29 19:41:30 i actually have a fairly positive outlook on webOS right now Aug 29 19:41:35 yeah but dude, that's 50... Aug 29 19:41:46 insane by webos standards since the product was released Aug 29 19:41:51 i think HP just had the worst possible PR issues imaginable Aug 29 19:41:52 outlook on the software is good, but outlook on finding the hardware is getting slim :( Aug 29 19:42:06 BrettQ, webos is bad f*cking ass Aug 29 19:42:07 You can Save As in Adobe reader Aug 29 19:42:14 BrettQ: do you think that webos has a good reputation in consumer space now ? Aug 29 19:42:48 bhuey: yes...everyone (that knows about it) says that it is great but has never had the hardware to back it up Aug 29 19:43:03 it's one of the very best systems around Aug 29 19:43:04 Palm didn't have the cash to make it higher quality...HP didn't have the know-how Aug 29 19:43:08 Found one bug already in QO HD Aug 29 19:43:22 it's got performance problems but folks are working on that...albeit slowly now since we're all worried about our jobs Aug 29 19:43:26 honestly...i've never been a fan of HP hardware...especially mobile Aug 29 19:43:32 2... Aug 29 19:43:56 BrettQ, pre2 and veer are pretty sweet and now with the TP.... If only there was a pr3 in the US world device on sprint :).. it be the ultimate phone Aug 29 19:44:05 Palm just needs capitial and the right kind of software folks to pull it off Aug 29 19:44:05 anyone here have their TP not want to restore their profile data? Aug 29 19:44:16 Google and Apple have been draining some of that talent Aug 29 19:44:19 Abyssul, what are the bugs Aug 29 19:44:26 man it's annoying how everything with a larger screen is "HD" suddenly -- since when is more space on the canvas higher "definition" Aug 29 19:44:29 the current chaos is problematic for hiring as well of course Aug 29 19:44:35 bhuey: the thing i see is that if you guys go heads down to make it an amazing OS, then when the competition starts ditching Android, webOS will be a great alternative Aug 29 19:44:41 haha something tells me those two bugs are whats been prolonging the release and they just said F*ck it Aug 29 19:44:42 Nothing much. Paper flickers when you tap outside the menu box when selecting an option like font Aug 29 19:45:05 BrettQ: hard to say, I'm hoping that Samsung will be our hardware maker or something Aug 29 19:45:13 destinal, lets call it high density :) Aug 29 19:45:15 also, trying selecting a font that is already selected Aug 29 19:45:37 bhuey: honestly i would love to see a webOS/MeeGo mash-up to make an amazing linux OS that scales to any device Aug 29 19:45:48 it's possible Aug 29 19:45:49 Jack87: well the density is the same too just "bigger screen" Aug 29 19:46:01 destinal, hehe Aug 29 19:46:08 No header support Aug 29 19:46:27 bhuey: and outside of when i am at work, i rarely touch my iPad2 right now Aug 29 19:46:43 because of your touchpad ? Aug 29 19:46:45 if i could tether to my Nokia phone, i would touch the iPad2 less Aug 29 19:46:46 yes Aug 29 19:46:50 At least it has dropbox Aug 29 19:46:54 I never thought of the ipad as a serious device Aug 29 19:47:08 it was just for content consumption which I care little about except for itunes Aug 29 19:47:25 i use it for a ton of stuff Aug 29 19:47:34 wireframing Aug 29 19:47:36 Evernote Aug 29 19:47:41 cloud mail and messaging support is why I love that OS Aug 29 19:47:51 angry birds rocks on it Aug 29 19:47:55 my sister loves that device Aug 29 19:47:57 I got her one Aug 29 19:48:04 oh...and if you're a kernel guy...any chance of you helping get ad-hoc wifi support in webOS? ;-) Aug 29 19:48:07 eww itunes! Aug 29 19:48:15 bhuey, why would you care about itunes Aug 29 19:48:22 skype support is a little flaky, but hopefully that'll be worked out Aug 29 19:48:43 Jack87: I'm a Mac person :) not iOS per se keep in mind Aug 29 19:48:50 can't stand iOS Aug 29 19:48:54 i'm looking into patching wpa_supplicant, but it's still a bit over my head Aug 29 19:49:07 osx isnt too bad. great platform to run VMs on for other ose :) Aug 29 19:49:16 BrettQ: kernel sources should be public now... Aug 29 19:49:22 but i cant stand ios/itunes/idevices Aug 29 19:49:31 ah, well, I'm the opposite :) Aug 29 19:49:46 bhuey: i'll be happy when i can replace iPad2/iPhone4 with Nokia N950/Touchpad Aug 29 19:50:10 BrettQ, get a veer+touchpad and use touch to share! Aug 29 19:50:23 so...freakin...small Aug 29 19:50:30 and no microUSB is a crime Aug 29 19:51:35 * Jack87 wishes they had a micro usb adapter like they have headphones adapter Aug 29 19:51:37 Where is that dang WebOS 2.2. doctor Aug 29 19:51:49 what are the chances that HP could vet webOS devs and partner them with big companies to port their apps? Aug 29 19:51:53 but its not too small. if i could get it to work on sprint it would be my main phone Aug 29 19:52:16 if i can find a cheap one, i will probably pick one up Aug 29 19:52:21 Abyssul, is webos 2.2 out? Aug 29 19:52:35 On pre3 Aug 29 19:52:40 firesale cheap... Aug 29 19:52:45 They havnt released the doctor for Pre3 yet... Aug 29 19:52:54 i'm pretty much crushed about the Pre3 Aug 29 19:52:59 or jsut on pre3 Aug 29 19:53:01 oh Aug 29 19:53:07 that was going to be my next phone for sure Aug 29 19:53:11 Cerealklr: music should work if you use alsa--for things like mplayer i've had better success using -ao sdl, go figure :) Aug 29 19:53:17 DQn3tsWRK: no right-click atm, should be added Aug 29 19:53:20 * dtzWill whistles innocently Aug 29 19:53:25 1.4ghz dual core! Aug 29 19:53:28 :) it was awesome Aug 29 19:53:46 vaporware in the US Aug 29 19:53:56 Jack87: that should answer your question too-no righ-tclick yet. people on p|c have a special gtk plugin that let syou do right-clic if you hold down tap Aug 29 19:54:04 we should add that or simlar to the stock x server itself Aug 29 19:54:24 libgtkstylus Aug 29 19:54:31 dtzWill, yes that would be ideal! awesomeness Aug 29 19:55:14 BrettQ: that's the one. Jack87 see the thread for more info, i haven't tried it yet. Aug 29 19:55:42 dtzWill: i did the install and export, but didn't get it to work Aug 29 19:55:58 BrettQ: what are you trying to do? Aug 29 19:56:17 i was just trying to get the tap+hold to = right-click Aug 29 19:56:28 i didn't try very hard though :) Aug 29 19:56:46 and i was using lxde Aug 29 19:56:54 BrettQ: oh you hvae to set it *Before* anything else runs Aug 29 19:57:05 so in some stratup script that's obscure and hidden :P Aug 29 19:57:10 or before you invoke 'startlxde' Aug 29 19:57:21 each time you launch chroot? Aug 29 19:57:28 dtzWill, overlay macros :) Aug 29 19:57:38 obscure and hidden = on git? :) Aug 29 19:57:53 BrettQ: yes, but also on your device somewhere Aug 29 19:58:08 uhh the chroot-wrapper i think is what you want to append to? shrug Aug 29 19:58:11 BrettQ: does Ubuntu/Debian on ARM have support for that ad hoc stuff in userspace ? Aug 29 19:58:16 probably Aug 29 19:58:52 bhuey: i haven't looked, but since webOS can't see adhoc networks i figured that was a no-go Aug 29 19:59:17 has anyone here logged into a palm profile from the TP emu? Aug 29 19:59:22 it's the same thing with Android (pre Gingerbread at least) Aug 29 20:00:08 bhuey: but not allowing users to tether to adhoc wifi hotspots is hidering all Nokia users that are used to tethering their iPads ;) Aug 29 20:00:30 ajay, I dont think you can log into a palm profile via emu? Aug 29 20:00:40 It skips first use app Aug 29 20:00:44 Is there a way to determine why preware software isn't installing correctly on my touchpad? Aug 29 20:00:45 my webos phone tethers to my touchpad no problem (not ad hoc :-) ) Aug 29 20:00:58 My Pre2 doesnt work with my TP Aug 29 20:01:03 Sucks... Aug 29 20:01:05 software is too told Aug 29 20:01:06 old Aug 29 20:01:07 Abyssul, i have pre2... Aug 29 20:01:13 whats the problem? Aug 29 20:01:14 I have sprint pre2 on 2.1 Aug 29 20:01:14 you need 2.2 minimally Aug 29 20:01:14 Jack87: very aware of that, but most new TP users do not have a webOS phone Aug 29 20:01:19 Abyssul, like wise Aug 29 20:01:26 oh yeah and why don't they have phones ? Aug 29 20:01:30 My TP connects but the speed is literally dialup Aug 29 20:01:32 BrettQ, they better get with the program ;-) Aug 29 20:01:36 HP killed manufacturing of all of them Aug 29 20:01:45 if you're lucky, get a veer Aug 29 20:01:47 oh right Aug 29 20:01:48 :) Aug 29 20:01:49 haha Aug 29 20:01:49 Sometimes its a ip address configuration error but if I try enough, it gets the address Aug 29 20:01:51 duh Aug 29 20:02:02 Abyssul, thats a pain Aug 29 20:02:16 Is anyone having a issue with trying to install offline browser? Aug 29 20:02:19 Abyssul: I don't know that anyone's tried.. skipping first use is done even on phones at times, so that shouldn't matter.. Aug 29 20:02:21 God I hope somebody at HP get a clue and figures this out Aug 29 20:02:33 there is a wpa_supplicant patch out there for Android that looks like it could work for webOS with a bit of tweaking Aug 29 20:02:38 i'm just not there yet Aug 29 20:02:39 Ajay, go ahead and use impostah to log into yur palm profile on the emu Aug 29 20:02:52 Emu might be blacklisted though Aug 29 20:03:00 is the current webos userspace a problem for development ? Aug 29 20:03:05 do people tether their phones to touchpad via wifi? Seems like it should be able to use that same connection for internet? (haven't tried yet). If not, a usb solution would be HOT Aug 29 20:03:06 like it being too old and stuff ? Aug 29 20:03:20 Abyssul: trying, not sure what i need to do to make it work yet :) Aug 29 20:03:26 bhuey: i don't think so Aug 29 20:03:30 ok Aug 29 20:03:37 Ajay, Impostah. Thats it Aug 29 20:03:55 bhuey: at least not compared to Android/MeeGo on ARM Aug 29 20:04:17 Abyssul: trying.. i haven't done all the vars yet, but for now "Invalid ROMToken build variant" Aug 29 20:04:32 Only problem with userspace is when the app devleoper lists the required memory in the appjson as too low Aug 29 20:04:41 (AHEM Robotek...) Aug 29 20:04:43 ajay: if you have a wifi hotspot that reports as a AP, then it works Aug 29 20:05:03 ajay: but if you have a wifi app that only broadcasts over adhoc, the TP doesn't even see it Aug 29 20:05:24 BrettQ: huh.. burn.. Aug 29 20:05:46 http://szym.net/2010/12/adhoc-wifi-in-android/ Aug 29 20:06:02 and the patch: http://szym.net/android/wpa_supplicant-ibss.patch Aug 29 20:06:16 man there's like so many things on webOS that need to be fixed/tweaked for it to be real good.. Aug 29 20:06:53 jack87, I wonder if I should try an earlier version of Freetether Aug 29 20:07:28 with the touchpad as my first webos device, i can't believe so many bugs slipped by Aug 29 20:07:34 really obvious ones too Aug 29 20:07:50 and glaring feature omissions Aug 29 20:08:11 BrettQ: somebody should get Debian/ARM working on the TouchPad and migrate much of userspace to that... Aug 29 20:08:22 What would cause a touchpad from installing preware apps? Aug 29 20:14:21 Nope. Older verions of Freetether dont work either Aug 29 20:16:14 BrettQ, so in theory, one could compile wpa_supplicant with that patch and it could work to get adhoc working on the touchpad? Aug 29 20:17:40 wrea: maybe, but there may be Android-specific stuff that is setup Aug 29 20:17:45 in the patch Aug 29 20:18:12 Right. Aug 29 20:18:44 Too bad Hp didnt release their source and patches for their wpa_supplicant Aug 29 20:20:08 hrmm...so why is freenode telling me i have to identify via SASL for everything all of the sudden? Aug 29 20:20:11 * ajay is hoping the cmty can port a recent webKit to the touchpad.. Aug 29 20:21:03 hmm I actually like the webos browser Aug 29 20:21:06 oo, that'd be neat, then maybe we could include per-site/app user-agent support too, that'd be _so hot_ (aka overdue, like most things) Aug 29 20:21:08 what is it based on? Aug 29 20:21:28 Pulser: it's based on webkit, and that's fine, it just needs desperately to be updated Aug 29 20:21:32 right Aug 29 20:21:39 yeah, I was playing with it today Aug 29 20:21:41 on some fancy sites Aug 29 20:21:50 and it was working very well Aug 29 20:21:53 anyone know which sconix patch always to send contacts to voicemail?? Aug 29 20:22:34 without changing them to DO NOT ANSWER Aug 29 20:23:49 My 4 Pre2's were shipped :) Aug 29 20:24:02 lucky! Aug 29 20:24:07 Abyssul: $50 ones? damnit i need to get in on that.. Aug 29 20:24:16 Yep Aug 29 20:24:23 I need bakcups Aug 29 20:24:28 ajay from the bay? Aug 29 20:26:04 ziplock503-pre: ya.. i know you? Aug 29 20:26:24 you sold me my phone in portland! thanks again Aug 29 20:26:38 ziplock503-pre: hahaha! hey! did you get a touchpad? Aug 29 20:26:39 Haha Aug 29 20:27:02 I got a 99 one and still waiting for those 2 from facebook contest Aug 29 20:27:21 ziplock503-pre: woa! you're like pre2-d out! Aug 29 20:27:32 i'm never going to sell this gsm pre+ I bought, talk about a bad buying move ;^) Aug 29 20:27:50 Hey, is the Pre3 coming out? Aug 29 20:27:55 lol ... me2 Aug 29 20:27:55 Cyclic: haha Aug 29 20:28:15 I saw others talking about it Aug 29 20:28:37 jay has been tweeting al day about it Aug 29 20:28:44 lucky Aug 29 20:28:45 ziplock503-pre: oh wait you were talking about touchpad.. you got them from the fb contest? damn! good job Aug 29 20:28:55 s/pre2-d/touchpad'd/ Aug 29 20:29:05 yeah !! also won trip to florida!! Aug 29 20:29:25 I came in 9th place Aug 29 20:29:39 ziplock503-pre: what the what! I thought that contest would take up way too much time, but it provided.. how much time do you think you put in? did you bug your friends a bunch too? Aug 29 20:29:48 so no pre3? Aug 29 20:29:50 :( Aug 29 20:30:28 Cyclic: nobody knows is the real answer (maybe not even hp), but imho they've _got_ to provide at least a few Aug 29 20:30:28 like a few days in they made it where they just had to be playing the app.. so I spam invite ppl for 2 weeks lol Aug 29 20:30:49 so no need to bug friends Aug 29 20:31:16 ziplock503-pre: spam invite ppl? i'm confused Aug 29 20:31:22 just random ppl? Aug 29 20:31:41 yeah random ppl who were playing the app Aug 29 20:32:09 I got a multiplier of 250 them answered all my questions for mega points Aug 29 20:33:04 i should eat soon.. Aug 29 20:33:09 ppl had created add me groups .. like they do with mafia wars Aug 29 20:34:38 soooo ... which sconix patch adds the ability to send contact to voicemail? Aug 29 20:35:30 any security minded folks: the DigiNotar root CA cert has been acquired and used in the wild by Iranian authorities, it is actively MITM'ing gmail Aug 29 20:35:39 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2938516 Aug 29 20:42:44 found it, didn't know it was an added icon in contacts .. adv system pref was the patch Aug 29 20:42:55 dtzWill: just found a small issue with the packaging for xterm: palm-package -o build/ipk build/armv7 Aug 29 20:45:59 ah oops Aug 29 20:49:20 wtf, i just updated xserver in preware Aug 29 20:49:25 now it wont launch from xecutah Aug 29 20:49:29 any way to roll back? Aug 29 20:49:58 DQN, same thing happened to me. I had to uninstall Xecutah, Xterm, and XServ then reinstall all three Aug 29 20:50:07 then it worked? Aug 29 20:50:09 be sure to reboot just in case after you uninstall Aug 29 20:50:10 yeah Aug 29 20:50:16 ok Aug 29 20:50:20 thanks Aug 29 20:50:23 went to show some friends Aug 29 20:50:24 np Aug 29 20:50:25 and it failed Aug 29 20:50:26 lol Aug 29 20:50:28 lol Aug 29 20:50:40 "i swear it was working flawlessly..." Aug 29 20:50:41 they were like "suuuuuureee" Aug 29 20:50:43 "sure..." Aug 29 20:50:48 =) Aug 29 20:51:01 trying to hang with the big kids ;) Aug 29 20:52:45 lol Aug 29 20:53:37 DQn3tsWRK: :(, i was unaware of this behavior, hrmm. Aug 29 20:53:45 why would reinstalling do anything?! :( Aug 29 20:54:02 dunno Aug 29 20:54:07 it worked for me though Aug 29 20:55:01 yea i dunno but im about to give it a go Aug 29 20:55:17 and it stopped working after i updated xserv Aug 29 20:55:30 bummer ._. Aug 29 20:55:56 * ajay prefers the use of the term 'btb' - big time bummer :) Aug 29 20:56:32 dtzWill: why doesn't palm-package existing ? "command not found" make toolchain or make setup installs it right? Aug 29 20:57:36 ok ttfn.. Aug 29 20:58:04 Is there a way to open a html file on touchpad as a HTML page rather than a text file? Aug 29 20:58:55 man, just talked to my long time Pre2 friend and told him I am working on some WebOS dev and he totally killed my buzz. He says it's going to die from neglect :( Aug 29 20:59:56 cyclic: palm-package is from palm sdk/pdk Aug 29 21:00:00 not from anything we ship Aug 29 21:00:11 yeah Aug 29 21:02:09 oddly, I don't remember having to setup the SDK in my other environment Aug 29 21:04:06 dtzWill: Yuck. It looks like KDrive has no native system for supporting mtdev Aug 29 21:05:28 Poop! Aug 29 21:05:31 http://www.touch-base.com/documentation/OPDD.htm Aug 29 21:05:43 Looked like it would work, but the licensing restricts you from redistributing source code Aug 29 21:06:02 SO much for getting at it low level... Aug 29 21:08:30 http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2010-August/msg00124.html though this suggests it would work. Hmm Aug 29 21:08:58 if you build it, you don't need to re-distribute the source Aug 29 21:09:44 True, but I believe dtzWill is hosting a public git repo of the XServer App Aug 29 21:09:49 and I think that's the best way to go about it Aug 29 21:10:01 yea, best is not to have the binary blobs Aug 29 21:10:07 which we couldn't do even if we did buy the license for that Aug 29 21:10:31 speaking of which, I think my next step will be to clone that Aug 29 21:10:36 and start messing with things myself Aug 29 21:10:48 rather than bug him constantly Aug 29 21:10:55 the statement htere sounds like you would be able to distribute the binary blob Aug 29 21:10:59 and just ping him when i've got something that I am pretty sure won't implode Aug 29 21:11:01 not ideal though Aug 29 21:11:14 you would, but yea Aug 29 21:11:18 it'd be messy Aug 29 21:11:31 and besides, since the repo owner would need to be able to modify the driver Aug 29 21:11:42 if the owner changes, is the license even transferrable? Aug 29 21:12:21 Anyway, i'm off to dinner for a bit. If someone needs me, PM plox. I'll start toying with the settings when I get back Aug 29 21:12:25 you'd have to ask them that Aug 29 21:13:02 Evening Aug 29 21:13:20 Any ideas why Preware won't allow me to update to latest UberKernel?! Aug 29 21:13:50 On a touchpad.. stuck on −22 and need −36 Aug 29 21:13:51 install the palm default then reboot then reinstall uber Aug 29 21:14:21 I had to do it with F105C a few updatez ago Aug 29 21:14:31 ahh great, ill give that a go thanks! Aug 29 21:14:43 Just trying to get mounting cifs shares working.. Aug 29 21:18:19 Cerealklr|Food: things might be messy re:build process (I think rwhitby's the only one who's built it before, and he has strong WIDK-fu), bug me if you have issues Aug 29 21:26:47 Hmmm.. uberkernel is still only allowing me to install version −22 in Preware on my Touchpad! Aug 29 21:26:53 Any suggestions anyone? Aug 29 22:07:34 wow Aug 29 22:07:45 lots of coming and going Aug 29 22:10:19 half the US lost internet Aug 29 22:11:24 Hey guys Aug 29 22:13:00 howdy Aug 29 22:19:02 do any of you know why I would be getting No rule to make target /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libz.so with this app I'm compiling? Aug 29 22:21:17 oh I think I need libz-dev Aug 29 22:22:59 hrm... are there steps for properly setting up ubuntu chroot? Aug 29 22:23:17 i made an ext3 partition using metadoctor, ran the preware installer and using xecutah it doesn't launch Aug 29 22:27:12 mever,omd Aug 29 22:28:42 sampson: sorry, I was afk Aug 29 22:28:47 did you get it? Aug 29 22:28:53 otherwise, I can direct you to the steps Aug 29 22:29:01 yeah Aug 29 22:29:05 ok Aug 29 22:29:06 would've helped to mount the ext3 partition eh Aug 29 22:29:14 I'm sorry I missed your question Aug 29 22:29:21 no biggie Aug 29 22:29:22 I do my best to be helpful >.< Aug 29 22:29:25 that's what google is for Aug 29 22:29:30 heh Aug 29 22:29:37 there's always webos-internals.org Aug 29 22:29:48 yeah, there is no straightforward "DO THIS" though Aug 29 22:29:55 i found out what i did wrong through the wiki through google Aug 29 22:29:56 there is Aug 29 22:30:05 i suggest upgrading the search on the wiki it kinda sucks Aug 29 22:30:30 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Aug 29 22:30:45 then you should follow this one to get the gui Aug 29 22:30:45 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Netbook_Remix Aug 29 22:31:28 the wiki sucks?that sounds like someone is voulenteering to fix it :) Aug 29 22:31:52 sampson: use the google custom search Aug 29 22:33:55 there it goes :) Aug 29 22:33:58 * scoutcamper mumbles something about the wiki gods being displeased at everyone hatin on the wiki Aug 29 22:34:31 i use a sphinx search plugin on our companies' wiki Aug 29 22:34:33 works great Aug 29 22:35:25 trsohmers Aug 29 22:37:54 lol Aug 29 22:38:01 #ubuntu-arm is finally talking touchpads :) Aug 29 22:38:08 awesome Aug 29 22:39:27 sad part is people dont seem to appreciate webos at first glance. Aug 29 22:40:59 siestacat: the first thing you say when you enter is trsohmers? Aug 29 22:41:12 LarrySteeze yup? Aug 29 22:41:13 lol Aug 29 22:41:15 O.o Aug 29 22:41:42 Jack87: it's nice though that all these people that used to make fun of me for loving my pre for so long went from android and got a touchpad and are now considering buying pres Aug 29 22:42:37 sampson, its funny as hell! Aug 29 22:42:48 "you dont need an app for that" :) Aug 29 22:42:55 sampson: It's sad, actually, that it took them this long to realize it Aug 29 22:43:15 in fact, other than us "original" pre buyers, it has been hard to get people on board for the most part Aug 29 22:43:42 i'm on iphone now, i was burned bad by sprint pre- refurbishes and wasn't about to signt a 2 year contract for a pre 2 Aug 29 22:43:49 6 lemons in 2 months Aug 29 22:43:55 sorry to hear that Aug 29 22:44:03 I'm still rocking my original pre from launch day Aug 29 22:44:08 was really looking forward to pre 3 though Aug 29 22:44:16 also have a pre2 and an evo 3d Aug 29 22:44:35 if hp sold first fue models of webos devices at a loss or at cost they would of had a huge commuinty instead of wasting money on crappy marketing from lady gaga Aug 29 22:44:57 i think they're starting to realize that Aug 29 22:45:08 then again, their new ceo has such a raging boner for enterprise it's all on deaf ears Aug 29 22:45:15 * dwc- wants a pre3 :( Aug 29 22:45:25 sampson, the veer is awesome. in introduced a buddy to one and he just sold his iphone on ebay and picked up a veer Aug 29 22:45:28 I bought a Pixi before my tp Aug 29 22:45:32 does that count? Aug 29 22:45:48 siestacat, of course! Aug 29 22:46:28 Jack87 Aug 29 22:46:35 yay! Aug 29 22:46:40 :) Aug 29 22:47:03 I learned about the tp firesale from you guua Aug 29 22:47:09 guys* Aug 29 22:48:35 Abyssul, did you check to see if there is quick office for phones? Aug 29 22:49:15 wait Aug 29 22:49:30 is there a document editor in tp yeg? Aug 29 22:50:56 i learned about the firesale in here too Aug 29 22:51:12 siestacat: quickoffice Aug 29 22:51:34 Quickoffice is readonly Aug 29 22:51:42 not anymore Aug 29 22:51:59 orly? Aug 29 22:52:02 check your software manager Aug 29 22:52:03 an update? Aug 29 22:52:23 *sigh* Aug 29 22:52:39 Buying my iPhone addicted wife a TouchPad: one of the best decisions ever. Aug 29 22:52:54 Downloading epicurious on her TouchPad: One of the worst decisions ever. Aug 29 22:53:17 good cook...but now she has the strange temptation to use it with wet hands in the kitchen :-\4 Aug 29 22:53:52 siestacat, yes quickoffice got an update Aug 29 22:54:36 poor LarrySteeze must hurt seeing a TP treated like that Aug 29 22:55:00 siestacat, were you at scale? Aug 29 22:55:06 I was contacted by a Palm "Senior Build/Release Engineer" about devices...and now he isn't responding to my response :-( Aug 29 22:55:36 jack87 scale? Aug 29 22:55:56 nevermind :) Aug 29 22:56:30 What's the proper waiting period after sending him an email? Aug 29 22:57:00 Especially since he's doing ME a favor, not the other way around Aug 29 22:57:19 that's it, I'm getting my wife a screen protector. Suggestions? Aug 29 22:59:10 is it possible to get the tp working with ad hoc wifi? Aug 29 22:59:16 larrysteeze use tape Aug 29 22:59:22 eh? Aug 29 22:59:49 I'd rather use one of the screen protectors that use static rather than adhesive? Aug 29 23:02:39 Okay, now I feel like the dummy Aug 29 23:03:03 tape Aug 29 23:03:04 he replied to my email very shortly after I sent it on Saturday...and it went to my spam box Aug 29 23:03:23 siestacat: it will put lines on the screen. Aug 29 23:05:39 using tape on mine Aug 29 23:05:45 packaging tape? Aug 29 23:05:53 uep Aug 29 23:06:46 clear Aug 29 23:06:50 works fine Aug 29 23:07:44 siestacat cant be serious Aug 29 23:07:56 LarrySteeze, get invisisheald zagg ones Aug 29 23:08:03 shield* Aug 29 23:09:37 not kidding Aug 29 23:09:42 packaging tapw Aug 29 23:09:47 I got it free Aug 29 23:10:23 not conventional Aug 29 23:10:25 but it workz Aug 29 23:10:52 serious or not, I'm not interested in putting packaging tape on it Aug 29 23:11:00 wh-y? Aug 29 23:11:01 and I'm sure it works Aug 29 23:11:06 but I don't want the lines Aug 29 23:12:18 no lines Aug 29 23:13:03 okay, packing tape will make lines and do bad things under heat Aug 29 23:13:21 got my touchstone today Aug 29 23:13:25 I'm disappointed :-\ Aug 29 23:13:42 * scoutcamper likes his touchstone, both phone and tab model Aug 29 23:14:00 scoutcamper I left mine in my car it was 140 Aug 29 23:14:04 nothing happened Aug 29 23:19:29 I miss the magnets in the touchstones Aug 29 23:19:31 Helloooo Aug 29 23:19:57 and am I wrong in remembering the press release back in the day talking about media through the touchstone? Aug 29 23:20:33 Can anyone help with ubuntu on touchstone? Newb alert Aug 29 23:21:53 anyone at all Aug 29 23:23:12 Sam__: i'm not sure i have the time to help atm myself, but just to get the issue laid out so that otehrs can help... Aug 29 23:23:13 sam__: are you talking about native ubuntu or chroot? Aug 29 23:23:26 Sam__: what are you trying to do and what problems are you having? Aug 29 23:23:28 because chroot ubuntu shouldn't be affected at all Aug 29 23:23:30 Okay good idea Aug 29 23:23:34 chroot Aug 29 23:23:45 I am beyond the stage of webos doctor Aug 29 23:23:54 and tryin to mount Aug 29 23:24:00 but it says the folder doesn't exist Aug 29 23:24:45 the directory that i think doesn't exist or is causing issue is "Dev/mapper/store-et3fs" Aug 29 23:24:59 this error happens after the mount -a command Aug 29 23:26:13 I have gone back and uncommented the lines in the makefile that i found necessary and reupped it, yet it still doesn't work Aug 29 23:28:49 LarrySteeze|Away: I believe we've seen some articles about FCC bits about media through the touchstone. Don't know if those will still be released now though... Aug 29 23:29:25 do you have a /dev/mapper/store/ext3fs ? Aug 29 23:29:31 or whatever the hell it's called Aug 29 23:30:14 /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs Aug 29 23:30:22 hey Aug 29 23:30:25 if not, that suggests your metadoctor failed to repartition Aug 29 23:30:37 i don't think i do Aug 29 23:30:47 when i try to cd to it, it says it doesn't exist Aug 29 23:30:53 so i think you're right Aug 29 23:32:16 well, you normally can't cd to a non-directory, but if it says it doesn't exist, it doesn't exist Aug 29 23:32:58 what changes did you make ot the makefile? (what variables did you uncomment/change?) Aug 29 23:33:03 yeah, so would i have to start over? what do i do differently? I've done it 3 times. Aug 29 23:33:06 lemme see Aug 29 23:33:27 AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE = 1 Aug 29 23:33:35 Oh wow. HP put 2 holds on my account for my order... Aug 29 23:33:40 Ima have to give them a call Aug 29 23:33:41 INSTALL_SSH_AUTH_KEYS = 1 Aug 29 23:33:42 INSTALL_WIFI_PROFILES = 1 Aug 29 23:33:44 EXT3FS_PARTITION_SIZE = 5GB Aug 29 23:34:19 ok, that sounds right Aug 29 23:34:44 i changed the partition to 5gb, if thats alright Aug 29 23:34:50 i think it was 2 or 3 Aug 29 23:35:23 and when you're running the jar, you're running the built jar from build/touchpad.../ right (and not the one you saved in downloads)? Aug 29 23:35:40 yeah Aug 29 23:35:53 are you running it via java -jar? Aug 29 23:35:57 so after editting the makefile, i recompile it? Aug 29 23:36:00 yes Aug 29 23:36:05 smh Aug 29 23:36:11 <3 Aug 29 23:36:29 you can 'make clobber' if you want to be certain it's getting rebuilt Aug 29 23:36:58 thanks dwc, i'm sure that'd work Aug 29 23:37:11 i'm not currently on my linux so i'ma have to try it later Aug 29 23:37:20 if not, save the output from java -jar, and pastebin it Aug 29 23:37:28 and check it for errors Aug 29 23:37:44 kk Aug 29 23:38:03 LarrySteeze|Away: you remember correctly, but the media-enabled touchstones never got as far as production before all products were elop'd Aug 29 23:39:07 has anyone here seen much success with webos apps? Aug 29 23:39:16 Abyssul: probably out dude Aug 29 23:39:41 riskish: they wouldnt be working in the homebrew community if they were Aug 29 23:40:02 buey? What do you mean? Aug 29 23:40:03 asking here isn't going to be a good indicator of the success of app developers with a product Aug 29 23:40:03 what do you mean..? Aug 29 23:40:43 this presumes you want to write apps for the platform Aug 29 23:40:51 * bhuey is chatty right now Aug 29 23:42:11 I figured there might be some apps devs in here who have seen success with their sales on webos. Aug 29 23:43:27 buey, what do u mean by that Aug 29 23:43:42 *bhuey Aug 29 23:47:17 riskish: most are open source developers Aug 29 23:47:21 that I can tell Aug 29 23:47:31 Abyssul: they probably oversold, looking for a touchpad ? Aug 29 23:47:38 there might be some reserve stock or something around Aug 29 23:47:54 * bhuey was wondering what folks thought about the TouchPad's software experience Aug 29 23:47:55 where? I need one :v Aug 29 23:48:02 bhuey, nope. I ordered 4 Pre2's and they were confirmed and shipped Aug 29 23:48:05 ha Aug 29 23:48:06 ah Aug 29 23:48:19 Currently have 2 $215 dollar holds on my bank.... Aug 29 23:48:24 they're blowing them out at 50USD through the corporate store in Sunnyvale Aug 29 23:48:28 Lucky I have enough money to not care Aug 29 23:48:37 bhuey: the touchpad's? Aug 29 23:48:40 I bought 4 5 phones Aug 29 23:48:41 pre2's Aug 29 23:48:43 er 5 phones Aug 29 23:48:48 yes and veers Aug 29 23:48:58 1 veer, 4 pre 2 Aug 29 23:49:06 and two touchpads Aug 29 23:49:11 would have loved to have more :) Aug 29 23:49:15 the touchpads are $100 I believe Aug 29 23:49:20 there's a limit production of the Pre 3 as well Aug 29 23:49:32 what's up guys. Aug 29 23:49:36 I wish I had some touchpads... Aug 29 23:49:53 but hopefully they'll go to employees only :) Aug 29 23:49:56 I wish I had a pre 2 Aug 29 23:50:00 speaking of touchpads... anyone know why mine won't boot up anymore? Aug 29 23:50:04 parting away gift or something :) Aug 29 23:50:09 Lisurgec, what did you do Aug 29 23:50:21 that's the thing. Aug 29 23:50:24 i didn't...yet Aug 29 23:50:34 is it charged ? Aug 29 23:50:36 Describe "doesnt boot" Aug 29 23:50:41 it's been on the charger all night Aug 29 23:50:47 holding power doesn't do anything Aug 29 23:50:47 what kind of charger ? Aug 29 23:50:51 won't go to recovery Aug 29 23:50:54 stock charger. Aug 29 23:50:55 Hold power and home for 20 seconds Aug 29 23:50:57 hmmm Aug 29 23:51:22 <3 abyssul. Aug 29 23:51:29 i dunno why it didn't work before. Aug 29 23:51:34 Did that work? Aug 29 23:51:34 i've been trying that since last night. Aug 29 23:51:38 but it's booting now. Aug 29 23:51:43 Its because I TOLD IT TO Aug 29 23:51:49 so this chatroom is not for webos development? Aug 29 23:51:53 The touchpad has discipline issues :p Aug 29 23:52:00 weboshacker, yes Aug 29 23:52:11 it is when we feel like developing mostly Aug 29 23:52:21 Doesnt mean we cant be nice to fellow webos members Aug 29 23:52:23 bhuey: when were you there last? Aug 29 23:52:23 "we" is a loose term in this case. Aug 29 23:52:46 I dropped by again for the 3rd day out of 4 and they were down to white veers Aug 29 23:53:33 You damn californians... Aug 29 23:53:48 Lisurgec: are you sure it's the stock charger ? did you mix it up with a Pre's charger or something ? the touchpads need that charge since it's such a heavy power drain Aug 29 23:54:08 Pre charger still charges, just more slowly Aug 29 23:54:09 if they have pre3s or more pre2s or TPs again, I need to go get more Aug 29 23:54:16 i'm positive. Aug 29 23:54:19 i don't own a pre. Aug 29 23:54:26 Well that settles that... Aug 29 23:54:34 found more people looking for a pre2... all the ones I picked up for people are spoken for Aug 29 23:54:36 dwc-: do you like the device and software ? Aug 29 23:54:42 bhuey: yes Aug 29 23:54:43 none of my other USB power things work. stupid tablets needing 1A. Aug 29 23:54:49 are you new to the platform ? Aug 29 23:54:57 Lisurgec: the touchpad pulls 2A Aug 29 23:55:04 holy shit, really? Aug 29 23:55:05 1400ma Aug 29 23:55:13 bhuey: define "new" ... I got the pre2 in feb Aug 29 23:55:19 that's new Aug 29 23:55:29 but you're familiar with the OS so you're not that new Aug 29 23:55:47 was interested in what folks thought of the device that have come from iPads and stuff Aug 29 23:55:53 bhuey: when were you at the palmhq store last? Aug 29 23:56:01 early last week Aug 29 23:56:07 ah, ok Aug 29 23:56:09 stock is probably all out by now Aug 29 23:56:33 the security guy on Thu ~4:30p said they'd shipped the rest of the pre2s to LA Aug 29 23:56:48 that's kind of odd Aug 29 23:56:50 so I'm wondering if those are going to a distribution center to go on sale online again Aug 29 23:56:56 hard to say Aug 29 23:57:27 since they obviously had more unsatisfied demand for them, it seems odd to have shipped them there already Aug 30 00:00:43 This post is interesting... http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/295466-nbench-webosmark-benchmarking-kernel-fastest-comparison.html Aug 30 00:01:15 It'd be nice to have a go at getting a Pre 2, if they were to go on sale again Aug 30 00:02:01 wrea, you can get one for $150-$200 on ebay Aug 30 00:02:14 If you have a pre-, you will be amazed at the difference Aug 30 00:02:38 *a go at getting one for cheap Aug 30 00:03:01 Wishing I didnt miss out at getting one for $50 Aug 30 00:08:06 Anyone got any kind of slingplayer solution for the touchpad? Aug 30 00:08:25 FYI: touchpad kernel testing benchmarks are up on precentral forums http://t.co/fNwmQii Aug 30 00:08:28 Not that I know of, but maybe someone else knwos better Aug 30 00:08:35 ghostinator, I just linked that Aug 30 00:08:44 Interesting post Aug 30 00:09:09 sorry I just signed back on irc on my touchpad Aug 30 00:10:26 hello my name is flashminz Aug 30 00:10:33 i'm sorry Aug 30 00:10:46 k Aug 30 00:11:13 ghostinator, all good :) Aug 30 00:11:16 bhuey: so are they going to sell the Pre2 online again or offer them to devs? Aug 30 00:11:24 BrettQ, highly doubt it Aug 30 00:11:36 how do you change the name of the HP webOS touchpad? please Aug 30 00:11:53 Device Info flashminz Aug 30 00:11:55 flashminz: device info Aug 30 00:12:00 that's one thing...they have to have some hardware for devs to use Aug 30 00:12:20 dtzwill no... Aug 30 00:12:23 moment Aug 30 00:12:26 BrettQ, at this point HP doesnt have to do anything... Aug 30 00:12:44 well, true Aug 30 00:12:46 They stopped making the hardware and want to get rid of it Aug 30 00:13:03 change on the bar-assistant understand? Aug 30 00:13:12 I remember chuq trying to get a word in there for devs to get access to the cheap devices, but I think it was no-dice Aug 30 00:13:28 flashminz, what are you trying to accomplish Aug 30 00:13:47 so insane...they are writing off like 1 billion next quarter for hardware losses Aug 30 00:14:10 Did you see the WSJ article on HP? Aug 30 00:14:13 Crazy... Aug 30 00:14:23 I haven't read it yet Aug 30 00:14:40 My pre-2 I changed the name of the carrier from three to flashminz, I want to do the same with the touchpad Aug 30 00:14:43 * BrettQ fires up ReadItLater Aug 30 00:15:01 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Change_Carrier_String but with touchpad Aug 30 00:15:02 So you want to change the Carrier string Aug 30 00:15:21 BrettQ: no more hardware is being produced Aug 30 00:15:30 it's a cluster fuck of a situation right now Aug 30 00:15:38 bar-assistant.js doesnt exist in the touchpad since its enyo, not mojo now flashminz Aug 30 00:15:41 ok Aug 30 00:15:52 until the remaining software group find a new home or we find a hardware vendor, it's really problematic right now Aug 30 00:16:09 Hey guys... Aug 30 00:16:12 bhuey: really sorry to hear all of that Aug 30 00:16:25 bhuey: I hope you guys get some stability soon Aug 30 00:16:27 the entire thing was done so poorly that it actually limited options for us Aug 30 00:16:38 We are a broken home... Aug 30 00:17:03 Microsoft is after devs, but not the platform guys? Aug 30 00:17:05 I can not change the name to HP webOS flashminz Aug 30 00:17:22 ? Aug 30 00:17:38 Depends if we can find a way to get it to work with 3.x Aug 30 00:17:41 form hp webos to flashminz Aug 30 00:17:41 Im working on it now Aug 30 00:17:45 I have a little question according webos that im unable to solve with google: is there any possibility to create folders on my hp touchpad? or a new category like applications, favorites, downloads and settings? Aug 30 00:17:45 Stick around Aug 30 00:18:17 Scripter http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-tips-information-resources/287187-add-rename-rearrange-touchpad-launcher-pages.html Aug 30 00:18:28 There is also a linux script in Preware Aug 30 00:19:26 what's his name? Aug 30 00:19:48 Thx will look for it... what is that linux script for? Aug 30 00:20:05 to install linux? Aug 30 00:20:22 i want to keep my webos^^ i really like it Aug 30 00:20:25 Scripter, it modifies the launcher files to add two more launcher pages Aug 30 00:20:42 Its a package in Preware Aug 30 00:20:50 Okay... Strange name for a Launcher Screen Modifiaction^^ Aug 30 00:20:56 thank you very much Aug 30 00:20:56 the link is not good because I already tried Aug 30 00:21:15 flashminz, of course it wont work. Thats for mojo framework Aug 30 00:22:13 there is a solution? Aug 30 00:22:58 Abysmal: has Carly Fiorina come out and said anything about HP imploding? Aug 30 00:23:10 if i understand your link right, that software isnt finished yet...!? Aug 30 00:23:12 Why doesnt everyone read it as Abysmal?! Aug 30 00:23:43 frak! Touchpad auto-corrected that Aug 30 00:23:45 Scripter, the preware package works fine. The link I showed you is complicated, but works if you know your stuff Aug 30 00:23:54 Is that why? I never knew... Aug 30 00:23:59 Abyssul: fixed ;-) Aug 30 00:24:01 flashminz, Im looking now Aug 30 00:24:20 yeah...auto-complete + auto-correct = fail Aug 30 00:25:09 can you tell me the exact name of the preware package? cant find anything :-( Aug 30 00:26:02 ... Aug 30 00:26:05 well there's shocking benchmarks Aug 30 00:26:19 performance is somewhat related to cpu speed Aug 30 00:26:33 crazy, right? Aug 30 00:27:40 what's the irc channel of the group working on ubuntu w/ touchpad Aug 30 00:28:04 #ubuntu-touch? Aug 30 00:28:22 I think more interesting would have been setting the different kernels to the same speeds Aug 30 00:28:25 Who knows... I dont even know if they made that channel Aug 30 00:28:44 nope that's not it Aug 30 00:28:47 lol Aug 30 00:28:58 scripter, "add launcher tabs" Aug 30 00:29:19 thank you... just found it in exactly the same second... Aug 30 00:29:36 I never could get the app to work Aug 30 00:29:52 i thought that only worked on webos 1.x Aug 30 00:30:18 Why? You can easily add launcher tabs in 1.x and 2.x with a patch Aug 30 00:30:27 In 3.x they moved it into Luna Aug 30 00:30:27 2.x doesn't need a patch Aug 30 00:30:40 3.x needs a patch Aug 30 00:30:54 for me it works but the names dont fit now in their boxes because i use the german version of webos... Aug 30 00:31:08 Scripter, for shame :\ Aug 30 00:31:16 do you now any way to rename the tabs? :-) Aug 30 00:31:29 Scripter, that link I sent you Aug 30 00:31:35 ah okay... Aug 30 00:31:52 with this tutorial it is possible to create personal named tabs? Aug 30 00:32:11 nothing abysully? Aug 30 00:32:19 I'm sorry, I'm catching up. @bhuey did they disband the WebOS software team now? Aug 30 00:32:26 Thats a new one I've never heard... Aug 30 00:32:34 flashminz, Im on to something Aug 30 00:33:11 Okay. I'll look for it tomorrow... im too tired now :-) Thank you again Abyssul... You were a great help! Good night guys! Aug 30 00:33:19 what? Aug 30 00:34:44 Oh man.... this is in binary... WHY PALM Aug 30 00:35:12 because html5/js couldn't cut it :( Aug 30 00:35:35 Just to store a string? Aug 30 00:35:41 Why hardcode it into it <.< Aug 30 00:35:42 dear ubuntu netbook edition: i will make you work Aug 30 00:35:48 stop resisting Aug 30 00:36:17 what abyssul? Aug 30 00:36:23 Has anyone started working on Meego for the TP? I mean, that's a maximum comedy situation :D Aug 30 00:36:47 no everyone's too busy trying to get a worthless version of android working because you know, omg android Aug 30 00:37:23 * Abyssul bows down to sampson Aug 30 00:37:28 flashminz. Im still working on it Aug 30 00:38:05 ok thanks Aug 30 00:38:09 i just find it funny that someone would want to replace a version of an operating system made specifically for tablets with a version that the manufacturer said should never belong on a tablet :\ Aug 30 00:38:30 rather than put forth that effort towards making whatever the mythical "OMG APPS" android has that webos is missing Aug 30 00:39:20 If it was 3.0, I'd understand more, but I'm with you. Porting 2.3 to the touchpad is just a ton of wasted effort in my opinion. But hey, it's their effort to waste. Aug 30 00:39:44 I'd way rather play with real Linux or Meego if I'm gonna comedy OS the thing Aug 30 00:40:02 And in the end, I really like WebOS, so I'm not really inclined to change at all Aug 30 00:40:30 Yay! I crashed LunaSysMgr... Aug 30 00:40:36 i'm making ubuntu netbook work and then i'm going to troll post my friend about how i have OMG APPS Aug 30 00:40:36 All I did was change a string... Aug 30 00:41:05 MeeGo! Aug 30 00:46:19 @sampson you are my hero, do you have a newsletter Aug 30 00:47:30 I think when people say they want apps, they mean they want games to waste their lives playing. I, personally, have not found the app selection all that limiting, with the notable and soul-crushing exception of an ssh client or a good terminal emulator Aug 30 00:47:45 elfurbe: i miss shazam and shopsavvy Aug 30 00:48:17 pssh your app store aint got nothin on my apt store Aug 30 00:48:28 oh snap Aug 30 00:48:49 I'll just compile everything from source, that'll show you Aug 30 00:49:03 funtoo on touchpad? :p Aug 30 00:50:48 I think if any of these alternate os guys was a real man, there'd be an LFS project in the works Aug 30 00:51:01 custom built Aug 30 00:52:28 Great. I just crashed my TP Aug 30 00:52:34 Cant get it to work now Aug 30 00:53:09 You know, I haven't even asked and this is a nice segue. How does one unbrick a touchpad? :D Aug 30 00:53:26 Is there a wiki entry I missed maybe? Aug 30 00:53:27 Abyssul: recovery mode time Aug 30 00:53:33 call the doctah Aug 30 00:53:36 You dont brick one unless you hit it with a brick Aug 30 00:53:42 Well, you know Aug 30 00:53:43 I dont wanna doctor! Aug 30 00:53:49 I guess brick is a strong word Aug 30 00:53:56 When you make it unable to boot Aug 30 00:54:27 You doctor it Aug 30 00:54:53 Just plug in the usb and hold on to my hat essentially? Aug 30 00:55:05 yay I fixed it!!! Aug 30 00:55:13 Btw, dont run the command "sed -i 's/Palm webOS/HP webOS/' /usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so" Aug 30 00:55:16 damn brick works :( Aug 30 00:55:39 Nvm, its still broekn... Aug 30 00:55:45 MOM! The bricks are running webos now!! I can't sleep with the lcd lights blasting me in the eyes! Aug 30 00:56:05 doctor it Aug 30 00:56:41 I refuse to give up Aug 30 00:56:43 read the instructions for webos doctor carefully :) Aug 30 00:57:11 I know how to doctor. Ive been with webos since 1.0.2 Aug 30 00:57:39 Then what's the problem? Aug 30 00:57:53 You have source code on there that's worth 10 billion dollars? Aug 30 00:58:02 that you didn't backup? Aug 30 00:58:23 Maybe he just wants to fix it, man Aug 30 00:58:25 Brick = When even Doctor can't help you. Until then, you're just dealing with an inconvienence. Aug 30 00:58:56 Actually, take another step further back. Brick = When Bootie is hosed. Aug 30 00:59:15 someone supposedly bricked theirs in #touchdroid, but I'm guessing they overwrote the boot loader or something Aug 30 01:02:38 man, that tower defense on droid was fun, too bad I got a better chance of porting windows 95 to webos :( Aug 30 01:02:51 or wait for android for the tp ;) Aug 30 01:03:00 fsck that Aug 30 01:03:25 Ironsight: yeah for now killing bootie means only someone with special Qualcomm tools (for example, HP, for the moment), or taking apart and finding JTAG, would be able to reload it. Aug 30 01:03:34 or just play the damn game in the browser Aug 30 01:03:46 Or read a book Aug 30 01:03:48 :D Aug 30 01:03:50 This tower defense game uses the unreal engine :) Aug 30 01:04:09 elfurbe, been doing alot of that lately :) Aug 30 01:04:24 gulliver's travels lately Aug 30 01:04:34 pReader is pretty good, but I haven't moved my ebook library over yet Aug 30 01:04:36 and webos book by oreilly Aug 30 01:04:38 Are you reading on the tpad Aug 30 01:04:45 Or like, reading actual dead-trees Aug 30 01:04:51 on my galaxy tab Aug 30 01:05:02 STILL waiting for my touchpad Aug 30 01:05:35 starting to lose hope in datavision Aug 30 01:08:32 elfurbe: it's possible to use the Kindle app to read arbitrary ebooks too Aug 30 01:08:44 Is it? Aug 30 01:08:47 Dude. Aug 30 01:08:53 well, looks like datavision isn't going to come through Aug 30 01:08:53 How does one do this and what format must they be in? :D Aug 30 01:09:13 according to their facebook they lied about having a bill of lading/tracking #'s from HP Aug 30 01:09:18 elfurbe: so, what I did was, download Dracula from the Amazon kindle store, it's free, then use Calibre to convert an app to .mobi Aug 30 01:09:30 elfurbe: then copy that .mobi over the azw file that is dracula on the touchpad Aug 30 01:09:34 dracula, alice in wonderland, etc Aug 30 01:09:59 err used Calibre to convert an ebook to .mobi format (which azw = mobi ) Aug 30 01:10:01 "convert an app" ? Aug 30 01:10:03 oh Aug 30 01:10:08 there we go Aug 30 01:10:21 But I can't just like toss a library in there then Aug 30 01:10:27 then just open the kindle app, click dracula, and there's your book Aug 30 01:10:29 It's one book at a time with efforts Aug 30 01:10:39 elfurbe: for now we can't.. yet Aug 30 01:11:03 Now that the Kindle app can rotate properly, I'd probably prefer it to pReader Aug 30 01:11:05 elfurbe: but it should be possible to add stuff to the touchpad database Aug 30 01:11:08 But pReader is working Aug 30 01:11:33 elfurbe: yeah preader is decent too Aug 30 01:16:29 LunaSysMgr and browserServer just keep crashing... Aug 30 01:16:56 And now you know, always make a backup of a binary file before you make changes :D Aug 30 01:17:22 I have a copy of the file on my PC Aug 30 01:17:32 Can you not just copy it back over? Aug 30 01:17:34 just need to find out how to transfer it to TP Aug 30 01:18:19 openssh installed? sftp? Aug 30 01:18:37 Im currently in terminal via novacom Aug 30 01:18:57 I cant use those since right now the TP is in a endless loop of crashing the luna service Aug 30 01:20:22 Ran the command "sed -i 's/HP webOS/Palm webOS/' /usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so Aug 30 01:21:26 is anyone on that can answer a simple Xecutah question? Aug 30 01:21:39 * Ironsight smacks the ebay sellers selling a 99 dollar tablet for 250 Aug 30 01:21:55 such greed Aug 30 01:22:26 indeed Aug 30 01:22:33 Yup… Makes it hard to get one. :( Aug 30 01:22:36 unless they paid full price for it ;) Aug 30 01:22:55 @Abyssul you've got a shell right now? Aug 30 01:23:24 Do you also have network connectivity? Aug 30 01:23:32 Or no due to the luna crashing Aug 30 01:23:54 Just terminal Aug 30 01:24:24 Right now its just endless logging on the screen (from F14 kernel) Aug 30 01:24:56 Talking how the minicores for the LunaSysMgr and BrowserServer attached then crash Aug 30 01:25:30 Do you have screen installed? I think that would isolate your shell from the default logging dump situation Aug 30 01:25:32 I reverted the command with "sed -i 's/Palm webOS/HP webOS/' /usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so" but its still corrupt. Ima doctor if I cant find a quick fix soon. Aug 30 01:25:36 hizzuh! http://i.imgur.com/Ys6uM.jpg Aug 30 01:25:46 Screen? Aug 30 01:25:46 oh these shell colors are fabo ;O Aug 30 01:25:53 dude, nice Aug 30 01:26:01 Does the touchscreen actually work? Aug 30 01:26:04 Yes Aug 30 01:26:10 @Abyssul it's a shell utility Aug 30 01:26:21 sampson: awesome Aug 30 01:26:23 Oh, sorry. sampson: Does the touchscreen actually work? Aug 30 01:26:33 is that a bluetooth keyboard? Aug 30 01:26:37 elfurbe: it's through chroot Aug 30 01:26:41 ya dragoon Aug 30 01:26:47 oohh Aug 30 01:26:50 I thought you were going native Aug 30 01:26:55 So this is on Xecutah? Aug 30 01:27:04 Or, on the Xserver that runs from Xecutah that is Aug 30 01:27:21 Alright... if I can't get this to boot fully, can I atleast get my save/restore files back? Aug 30 01:27:24 xserver/xecutah/ubuntu chroot Aug 30 01:27:46 Abyssul: You generally can't do a search and replace in a binary that would change the length of a string and expect it to work Aug 30 01:28:14 sampson: does it run well at all? Aug 30 01:28:17 Oh... Nice to know >.< Aug 30 01:29:06 Can I get the file replaced? Aug 30 01:29:31 Abyssul: just grab it from the doctor image I would say Aug 30 01:29:43 I have that file from the doctor Aug 30 01:29:47 I just need it transfered Aug 30 01:30:09 "novacom put file://usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so < /usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so" Aug 30 01:30:23 three slashes after file: Aug 30 01:30:25 Abyssul: memboot recovery kernel+ramdisk, and then you'll be able to novaterm in, mount what you need, and copy he file over Aug 30 01:30:41 or form your file:// url correctly as destinal is suggesting Aug 30 01:30:47 grumble easy way out grumble Aug 30 01:30:47 novacom put file:///usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so < /usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so Aug 30 01:30:51 I can already novaterm in Aug 30 01:30:51 note file:/// Aug 30 01:31:12 "the system cannot find the path specified" Aug 30 01:31:20 elfurbe: it's alright i guess Aug 30 01:31:26 not really touchscreen friendly though Aug 30 01:31:45 novacom put file:///usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so < doctor-location/usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so Aug 30 01:32:04 Im cd at my doctor location in cmd.exe Aug 30 01:32:17 sampson: yeah, I can see that. Real linux isn't really touchscreen friendly :D Aug 30 01:32:17 Abyssul: you specifically *don't* mean /usr/lib on the host which is what your previous command would do Aug 30 01:32:33 /usr/lib means /usr/lib Aug 30 01:32:38 ill cd to the file directly then Aug 30 01:32:54 yeah you could do that and then novacom put file:///usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so < libWebKitLuna.so Aug 30 01:33:24 It seems to have worked Aug 30 01:34:11 cool. no more crashie? Aug 30 01:34:17 Yep! It works Aug 30 01:34:20 yay Aug 30 01:34:26 (Btw, you can't change the carrier string..." Aug 30 01:34:32 If anyone wants to try Aug 30 01:34:36 Its in the binary lol Aug 30 01:35:33 Thanks for the help guys. I knew I was close Aug 30 01:35:54 hey destinal would you happen to know what startup script ubuntu chroot runs? Aug 30 01:36:06 i should be able to automate the bootup into the gui if i can edit it Aug 30 01:36:48 Abyssul: you could sed -i 's/HP webOS/Palm wOS/g' just so long as you keep the strings before and after that slash the same length so the size stays the same but that may not be as cool :) Aug 30 01:37:15 well if you use a hex editor Aug 30 01:37:24 you could do Palm OS then edit the next char to 00 Aug 30 01:37:46 yeah you can always do smaller strings padding with null bytes like that Aug 30 01:37:56 just not easily larger strings Aug 30 01:38:15 guess i gotta poke around and find the startup script for chroot Aug 30 01:38:22 sampson: hmm, the ubuntu chroot, does it run upstart? Aug 30 01:38:37 no it just does a straight chroot to /bin/bash Aug 30 01:39:14 sampson: hmm so what makes you think it runs any startup script at all (TBH I'm really not familiar with how people have set this up as of yet) Aug 30 01:39:15 oh yeah it does Aug 30 01:39:16 FOUND IT Aug 30 01:39:20 ok cool Aug 30 01:39:27 exec /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.ubuntu-natty-chroot/bin/start-xterm.sh Aug 30 01:39:57 actually use chroot-wrapper.sh I think Aug 30 01:40:11 that executes after start-xterm Aug 30 01:40:54 yeah Aug 30 01:40:58 but i want to skil start-xterm entirely Aug 30 01:41:03 no biggie though, i'm good Aug 30 01:41:15 gotcha Aug 30 01:41:20 Anyone know if it's possible to install the webos sdk eclipse plugin via the dropins folder of eclipse? Aug 30 01:41:40 so, Netbook Remix works? Aug 30 01:42:27 yeah Aug 30 01:43:20 I hate writing resumes Aug 30 01:45:31 err Aug 30 01:45:56 did you guys see the report that HP _might_ actually _manufacture_ more touchpads? Aug 30 01:46:15 "due to the overwhelming response" Aug 30 01:46:25 And lose more money? Aug 30 01:46:36 [01:23] <+Enron> I KNEW IT Aug 30 01:46:36 [01:24] <+Enron> IT WAS ALL A SCAM Aug 30 01:46:36 [01:24] <+Enron> The tablet has sold out, according to the company. Meanwhile, HP is considering making more of the devices -- and continuing to support them, despite the fact that independent developers are working to hack the tablets to run on Google's Android operating system, instead of the now-killed webOS. Aug 30 01:46:55 does someone actually run HP? Aug 30 01:46:55 LarrySteeze|Away: where'd that pop up? Aug 30 01:47:06 http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/mobile/08/29/hp.touchpad.android/ Aug 30 01:47:14 But they could make up some loss from webos apps..? Aug 30 01:47:17 that's exactly where I was reading it Aug 30 01:47:28 I noticed that they pulled their stock notification page and are now referring to "if" they get stock, instead of "when" they get stock for the next round of sales Aug 30 01:48:07 I want 4g 64gb TP then I'm done. Aug 30 01:48:53 If they'd just priced the things reasonably from the start they wouldn't be here Aug 30 01:49:20 Hopefully they make a whole mess of them and sell them for not-a-loss and keep the whole thing alive now that they have a user base :D Aug 30 01:50:33 I planned to port Android to my 32gb, now even though there's not a lot of apps but still there's many quality apps so I'm pretty content with TP Aug 30 01:50:52 I'm unsure what to do with my Xoom... Aug 30 01:51:12 Really really big wifi remote for home theater? Aug 30 01:51:19 Stream music to the shower Aug 30 01:51:39 Mount it in the car as a dedicated carputer? Aug 30 01:52:33 portable scrolling banner! Aug 30 01:52:54 I don't think he found us funny Aug 30 01:52:56 Fancy mirror to do cocaine off of. :I Aug 30 01:53:12 Frisbee? Aug 30 01:53:21 port webos to it? Aug 30 01:53:22 Thats what my Touchpad does on the off-season Aug 30 01:53:29 Stick it on a pike in the front yard as a lesson to others? Aug 30 01:54:55 elfurbe: winner! Aug 30 01:58:06 That article... man, has it really been 2 weeks already? Aug 30 02:02:13 what article Aug 30 02:02:33 http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/mobile/08/29/hp.touchpad.android/ Aug 30 02:03:01 Gotta run. Good times in webos-internals today. Later everyone! Aug 30 02:05:41 That article was made today Aug 30 02:05:54 oh... Aug 30 02:06:00 Ignore my stupidity Aug 30 02:07:47 as fast as it worked Aug 30 02:07:48 it is now dead Aug 30 02:07:49 HEH Aug 30 02:10:24 I should put some muzak on my TP Aug 30 02:10:37 you should make a muzak app Aug 30 02:11:05 I should, I wonder if there's an internet radio station for elevator music Aug 30 02:15:16 Hello everyone -- I was here last night with a problem, but had to leave, and was getting really frustrated; so I decided to start fresh on a different computer (thinking it was something I had done), and am encountering the same problem **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 30 02:15:47 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 30 02:16:14 2011 Aug 30 02:18:01 did you create the partition?? Aug 30 02:18:06 you have to before you actually do that Aug 30 02:18:07 lol Aug 30 02:18:12 you cant mount something thats not there **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 30 02:18:15 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 30 02:20:15 2011 Aug 30 02:21:32 Am I missing something here? I feel really dumb for not being able to get this to work -_- Aug 30 02:22:08 Did you mount /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs in /media/ext3fs? Aug 30 02:22:32 And optionally add it to fstab? Aug 30 02:22:36 I copied everything from the guide Aug 30 02:22:47 And I mean copied -- highlighted and dragged Aug 30 02:22:48 Check to see it's actually mounted then Aug 30 02:23:03 In novaterm, do an ls -lah on /media/ext3fs Aug 30 02:23:07 You should have a lost+found directorie Aug 30 02:23:11 directory Aug 30 02:24:16 Nope, not seeing it Aug 30 02:24:20 Okay Aug 30 02:24:28 mount /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs /media/ext3fs Aug 30 02:24:34 Then run the installer for Xecutah Aug 30 02:24:41 From Preware that is Aug 30 02:25:04 mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs on /media/ext3fs failed: No such file or directory Aug 30 02:27:44 The /media/ext3fs is there Aug 30 02:27:48 I just made it, lol Aug 30 02:27:52 but the other one isn't Aug 30 02:30:21 hey Aug 30 02:30:48 Hello Aug 30 02:41:22 Yeah, I don't get why this isn't working Aug 30 02:42:45 Oh Aug 30 02:42:53 Did you mkdir /media/ext3fs ? Aug 30 02:42:56 You have to do that too Aug 30 02:42:58 If it doesn't exist Aug 30 02:43:12 Also, if /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs doesn't exist, you need to meta-doctor again Aug 30 02:46:15 That's what I'm saying Aug 30 02:46:23 The /media/ext3fs is there Aug 30 02:46:26 but the other one isn't Aug 30 02:46:33 and that's the same problem I had before Aug 30 02:46:40 and I meta doctored, like, 4 times now Aug 30 02:47:54 what is the most efficient way to make an ipkg feed for preware? Aug 30 02:48:03 I mean, I can do it again, but I have a feeling that's not going to help Aug 30 02:48:03 something that hosts a lot of files Aug 30 02:53:07 Commie-sama: you sure you setup the ext3fs in the makefile properly in metadoctor Aug 30 02:53:40 you need to remove the # in front of EXT3FS_PARTITION_SIZE and after the = put how big you want it to be Aug 30 02:54:04 EXT3FS_PARTITION_SIZE = 8GB Aug 30 02:54:08 that is what's there Aug 30 02:54:11 the whole like Aug 30 02:54:16 *line Aug 30 02:54:27 Currect Aug 30 02:54:53 no # in front of it? Aug 30 02:54:56 No #, and I made it 8gb Aug 30 02:55:04 That should work then Aug 30 02:55:10 You ran "make" and it gave you a build? Aug 30 02:55:16 mhm Aug 30 02:55:17 And you ran java -jar "build" Aug 30 02:55:17 ? Aug 30 02:55:22 yep Aug 30 02:55:28 Do it one more time then. Aug 30 02:55:31 I'll run the doctor one more time Aug 30 02:55:32 yeah Aug 30 02:55:46 Should I run the "make" part again? Aug 30 02:56:01 Yeah Aug 30 02:56:03 make clobber Aug 30 02:56:05 Then make again Aug 30 02:56:08 mmk Aug 30 02:58:32 Should I change the DEVICE and CARRIER things in the actual makefile? Aug 30 02:58:41 That's up to you Aug 30 02:58:50 I left them as is and used them on the command line Aug 30 02:58:54 This is for Touchpad right? Aug 30 02:59:02 Ok Aug 30 02:59:03 Yeah Aug 30 02:59:28 I wasn't sure if it'd make a difference : / **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 30 02:59:57 2011