**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 02 02:59:57 2011 Sep 02 03:00:13 Can I manually trigger the first use app in a pre2? Sep 02 03:01:01 the20yrlaptop, because your laptop is 20yrs old? Sep 02 03:01:45 there is a patch to enable it to show up in the launcher Sep 02 03:01:56 bnceo, still no Pivot issue here Sep 02 03:01:56 and from there, you can open it Sep 02 03:02:07 gtkansan_home, yes Sep 02 03:02:13 it's new Sep 02 03:02:38 Not in a pre 2... that I can find Sep 02 03:02:42 Where is the patch? Sep 02 03:04:25 show first use app Sep 02 03:04:36 Says it is just a placeholder for 2.1 Sep 02 03:07:16 So any other way to force it? Sep 02 03:23:16 So I have openSSH running and working... but I get timeouts and long lag spikes Sep 02 03:23:22 anyone know what this could be? Sep 02 03:29:22 Where is the walkthrough on creating a EXT2 partition on the TP itself without using a outside system? Sep 02 03:30:21 err ext3fs Sep 02 03:31:00 hello Sep 02 03:31:11 anyone know how to package resource files into an .apk? Sep 02 03:32:29 yay new pivot issue Sep 02 03:32:49 hello? Sep 02 03:32:51 newerth, we dont use apk's Sep 02 03:33:00 ok Sep 02 03:33:08 yea, this is webos, not android Sep 02 03:33:08 ipk is webos Sep 02 03:33:18 what do you use in webos? Sep 02 03:33:28 ipk Sep 02 03:33:36 ok Sep 02 03:33:42 but isnt similar? Sep 02 03:33:49 how do you package resources into an ipk? Sep 02 03:33:59 "resources"? Sep 02 03:34:14 data files Sep 02 03:34:16 like in a game Sep 02 03:34:20 the files with gfx Sep 02 03:34:21 sound Sep 02 03:34:22 and such Sep 02 03:34:48 rwhitby: be ye here? Sep 02 03:34:54 idk how to do it "the right way" Sep 02 03:35:29 ok, then how do you do it "the wrong way"? Sep 02 03:36:07 newerth, is this intended for the app cat? Sep 02 03:36:15 yea Sep 02 03:36:19 anyone gotten wpa2 with peap and mschapv2 working with the tp/webos? Sep 02 03:36:21 idk then Sep 02 03:36:25 i have an app, that im ready to sell on the marketplace Sep 02 03:36:28 :) Sep 02 03:36:28 M25: here, but gone in 15 Sep 02 03:36:34 appstore, screw apple Sep 02 03:36:38 Ill call it appstore Sep 02 03:36:48 the20yrlaptop: the UbuntuChroot wiki page has lvm commands Sep 02 03:37:09 can you quick help me debug why my makefile won't compile sshfs, despite fuse being properly installed (I think). I got the FUSE makefile working wonderfully, I'm about to pastebin both Sep 02 03:37:12 newerth: palm-package Sep 02 03:37:25 ok Sep 02 03:37:34 and does it package everything in one single pki? Sep 02 03:37:48 newerth: I presume you've already read the docs on developer.palm.com and in the SDK ? Sep 02 03:37:51 ohhh Sep 02 03:38:10 * scoutcamper was assuming this was a "where do i put them to get them in the right place" Sep 02 03:38:13 yea Sep 02 03:38:16 i couldnt find anything Sep 02 03:38:20 newerth, my bad Sep 02 03:38:28 rwhitby: FUSE's makefile: http://pastebin.com/tCWbHZ8n Sep 02 03:38:37 and my app is on android Sep 02 03:38:40 not palm Sep 02 03:38:46 :) Sep 02 03:39:15 rwhitby: SSHFS's makefile: http://pastebin.com/78Nn71S7 Sep 02 03:39:20 newerth: I suspect you have the wrong channel if you want to submit on android Sep 02 03:39:21 sshfs still says it can't find FUSE Sep 02 03:39:25 yea Sep 02 03:39:26 :D Sep 02 03:39:38 anyways Sep 02 03:40:32 newerth: you've read the /topic, right? Sep 02 03:40:33 St0ned|TP: not that I know of, that's a hell of an encryption scheme... Sep 02 03:40:53 M25: so, fuse in toolchain, and sshfs where? Sep 02 03:40:59 i came here referred by #touchdroid Sep 02 03:41:03 testing-optware Sep 02 03:41:04 they told me someone here could know Sep 02 03:41:50 M25: yea but that shouldnt matter Sep 02 03:41:51 newerth: don't believe anything you read in #touchdroid Sep 02 03:41:57 k Sep 02 03:42:01 i wanna get my tp on the wifis at work Sep 02 03:42:34 St0ned|TP: I haven't heard of any portable device not running windows/full desktop linux with a package manager, that supports peap Sep 02 03:42:58 android connects to my wifis just fine Sep 02 03:43:36 wow, really? that's impressive. I figured anything that complex was a workplace... I don't know of anything in preware that touches the wifi drivers, as they're probably custom to the specific touchpad hardware Sep 02 03:43:48 you can get an ubuntu chroot on there, and maybe maybe try it from there Sep 02 03:43:52 M25: I don't see .../usr/include/fuse in your CFLAGS in sshfs Sep 02 03:44:09 rwhitby: yourkiddingme.jpg Sep 02 03:44:18 did I really forget that? Sep 02 03:44:58 welp, yep I did Sep 02 03:45:53 i would join an android # but they all require being registered Sep 02 03:46:24 St0ned|TP: my Pre2 connects to a network with those settings too Sep 02 03:47:03 loudergood did you have server auth? Sep 02 03:47:04 we dont Sep 02 03:47:06 anyone got a hp touchpad? Sep 02 03:47:29 newerth: did you see my /msg ? Sep 02 03:47:29 it seems like its trying to connect at first Sep 02 03:47:39 yea Sep 02 03:47:43 then i get an error about having no certificate Sep 02 03:47:43 I'm sure the error is logged somewhere Sep 02 03:47:46 isnt the touchpad related to webos? Sep 02 03:47:49 ah Sep 02 03:48:00 ok Sep 02 03:48:01 but i dont need a cert Sep 02 03:48:12 but theres no where to turn that off Sep 02 03:48:13 yeah this is a campus network, I didn't need a cert either Sep 02 03:48:18 hrmm Sep 02 03:48:23 does webos use gcc ? Sep 02 03:48:32 where do you think it is logged loudergood? Sep 02 03:48:57 well, I know it uses wpa-supplicant Sep 02 03:49:13 newerth: developer.palm.com has lots of information for folks who are new to webOS Sep 02 03:49:30 rwhitby: getting there! new error this time Sep 02 03:54:16 it looks like the glib that's been built here doesn't include everything Sep 02 03:54:41 oh, that's why, it was only built as dependencies of something else Sep 02 03:58:09 now that's dumb... why are half the header files that I need to include under /lib Sep 02 04:00:25 rwhitby: what's the preferred way to shorten ./toolchain/glib/build/armv7/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.toolchain.glib/opt/lib/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h for linking? Sep 02 04:00:49 M25: you should never be linking from another package's build area Sep 02 04:01:00 anything needed must be staged Sep 02 04:01:22 I did make stage in glib Sep 02 04:01:28 and it didn't put those header files in staging Sep 02 04:01:35 then that needs fixing Sep 02 04:01:42 on it Sep 02 04:02:11 check the git logs to see who added glib to toolchain, and liase with them Sep 02 04:02:48 already handled, notice how that lib is nested? Sep 02 04:02:49 * rwhitby is gone. M25 I'll be back on in about 8h or so, then again in about 20 Sep 02 04:03:00 I'm EST Sep 02 04:03:03 CURSES Sep 02 04:03:16 thanks for your help though! Sep 02 04:03:40 M25: there are other folks here who can help too Sep 02 04:03:42 * rwhitby bbl Sep 02 04:03:54 I know, but nobody's in my effin timezone. Sep 02 04:04:02 M25: what's up? Sep 02 04:04:06 what time zone are you in? :) Sep 02 04:04:10 Eastern US Sep 02 04:04:19 I'm in Central, so I'm an hour behind Sep 02 04:04:25 what's going on? maybe I could help Sep 02 04:04:31 you know how the build.git setup works? Sep 02 04:04:35 I'm building SSHFS for WebOS Sep 02 04:04:56 ah, I've never used SSHFS sorry Sep 02 04:05:08 it's not a problem Sep 02 04:05:11 you don't have to use it Sep 02 04:05:15 just get it compiling Sep 02 04:05:25 hmm.. link to the repo? Sep 02 04:05:29 um.... Sep 02 04:05:48 if you haven't already used it, it might be more work to catch you up Sep 02 04:06:00 I'm almost done, I've got it compiling for ARMv7 before, and it works on my Touchpad Sep 02 04:06:12 now it's just integrating it using the Makefile setup they have in their Git repo Sep 02 04:06:18 and I'm guessing you need the armtoolchain? Sep 02 04:06:31 I don't have it on this machine :/ Sep 02 04:06:55 you need the whole git repo Sep 02 04:06:58 then build the toolchain in it Sep 02 04:07:05 then copy some alterations I've made to makefiles there Sep 02 04:07:08 then run them Sep 02 04:07:18 :P you see why I needed rwhitby Sep 02 04:07:55 I'm literally almost done, I just have to resolve some silly inconsistencies in header file locatiions Sep 02 04:08:20 argh.. wish I could help.. sorry Sep 02 04:08:33 not a problem, I appreciate the effort Sep 02 04:10:16 btw, if you ever use SFTP or SSH, come talk to me about SSHFS, it's awesome Sep 02 04:10:45 I normally only use FTP, not SFTP/SSH Sep 02 04:11:16 out of curiosity, do you know of a tool that can mount FTP folders? Sep 02 04:11:30 not just transfer individual files, actually mount them to the existing FS tree? Sep 02 04:11:37 no clue Sep 02 04:11:44 my main OS is windows, so... lol Sep 02 04:11:57 :P ah, you're one of THEM... Sep 02 04:11:57 jk Sep 02 04:12:16 I dual boot windows/linux, best of both worlds Sep 02 04:12:35 curlftpfs, another fuse based filesystem Sep 02 04:13:05 booto: if you tell me that's in the ubuntu repositories I'll give you 1000 internets Sep 02 04:15:40 I don't use ubuntu, so it's probably going to be quicker for you to just search the repo for it yourself... Sep 02 04:17:51 1000 internets to you, as it is there! Sep 02 04:18:19 hello full gigabit mounted SAN Sep 02 04:26:44 hey guys Sep 02 04:28:25 het Droidball Sep 02 05:10:03 Hi guys.. is there a way to somehow donate to you in order to get that preware documentation? The thing is I don't have a credit card, but I do have paypal.. of course the app catalog doesn't exactly offer me paypal as a payment option .. any idea of what I should do? Sep 02 05:12:12 Aoi, all the info in the app is located on webos-internals.org as well as a paypal donate link (not necessarily the app though) Sep 02 05:12:26 Aoi, otherwise you can talk to rwhitby Sep 02 05:13:54 Alright! Thank you for the hint - I'll check that out. I am pretty curious at this pool of stuff for webos (I own a Veer). Thank you for answering. Sep 02 05:15:13 Aoi, start here... http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Preware Sep 02 05:17:39 Thank you! Sep 02 05:18:49 M25, what is this sftp stuff you are talking about? Sep 02 05:18:58 do you know of an easy to use client? Sep 02 05:19:10 Aoi, your welcome Sep 02 05:20:45 Anyone know of a way to de-lock the virtual keyboard, and set X to full-screen? Sep 02 05:21:26 Aoi, here is the donation page as well http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals:Site_support Sep 02 05:21:56 Izza: check Tweaks Sep 02 05:22:58 Izza, PatrickC_TP is referring to the Tweaks app. Sep 02 05:23:11 you can find it in preware Sep 02 05:23:11 yeah, sorry Sep 02 05:23:25 I did, but didn't find anything. I just hate how it's locked in place when running X. I want to use an osk in Arch, rather than the webOS keyboard. Sep 02 05:23:46 PatrickC_TP, dont be sorry you are right. haha i was clarifying in case he didnt know what Tweaks was Sep 02 05:24:20 Izza, like PatrickC_TP said check out tweaks (maybe make sure you have latest version if you havent done so already) Sep 02 05:24:33 Jack87: lol.. I'm just a little pre-occupied trying to get this sliding pane working Sep 02 05:24:41 Wow! you guys really put a huge lot of effort into the application.. I seldomly had THIS little trouble while installing stuff onto my veer .. Sep 02 05:24:57 ALright, I'll give it another look... maybe I missed something. Sep 02 05:25:09 Izza, Maybe :) Sep 02 05:25:29 Aoi, yeah they did a great job Sep 02 05:25:59 I've downloaded the whole SDK-thing, because I want to look into it since I am actually a developer .. just not for mobile devices (yet) Sep 02 05:26:10 Hi there. I'm hoping this is the right place to get help. I've got preware running, and I tried to load "make it so' but it didn't work. I'm running the uberkernal, and govnah and a bunch of other preware, and "make it so" says it is installed, but it still displays "just type" in the box Sep 02 05:26:18 but then I've chosen the webos quick installer .. so fast and flawless .. really awesome Sep 02 05:26:28 Please excuse me if this is not athe right place to ask this Sep 02 05:26:45 Chance: have you done a Luna boot yet? Sep 02 05:27:07 Aoi, dont forget the testing feeds... and also... they are called testing feeds for a reason so use caution http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Sep 02 05:27:10 yes. and uninstall, reboot, reinstall, and reboot again Sep 02 05:27:30 Jack87: SFTP is file transfer over SSH Sep 02 05:27:40 yeah .. I know .. I make backups pretty often in general.. thank you Sep 02 05:27:41 Chance, did you reboot Sep 02 05:27:59 M25, right... did you know of a handy gui client? Sep 02 05:28:06 Cyberduck is gui Sep 02 05:28:17 when I click on the "just type' bar, I see a very quick glimpse of "make it so" as it disappears to accept my text input Sep 02 05:28:23 also does amazon, ftp, google drive, everything Sep 02 05:28:42 M25, what os is it for Sep 02 05:28:59 windows and mac both Sep 02 05:29:15 oh. Sep 02 05:29:19 * Jack87 is on linux Sep 02 05:29:46 Chance, uninstall reinstall? Sep 02 05:30:04 Jack, tried it already Sep 02 05:31:12 Aoi, the webos quick install is made by someone else... there isnt much support for it here. but as long as you install preware one way or anther you shouldnt really need anything else Sep 02 05:31:37 and within preware internalz is another must have app (created by the developer of WebOS Quick Install) Sep 02 05:32:04 Chance, sorry im fresh out of ideas Sep 02 05:32:17 Oh well, thanks for trying Sep 02 05:32:40 k, comp overheated Sep 02 05:32:54 Jack87: you were saying? Sep 02 05:32:59 M25_, thats no fun... Sep 02 05:33:22 M25_, oh i am on linux... so the only decent gui i have come across is filezilla and i dont like it Sep 02 05:33:33 what distro? Sep 02 05:33:40 ubuntu Sep 02 05:33:54 nautilus supports it out of the boc Sep 02 05:34:00 box even Sep 02 05:34:15 I see.. thanks.. works out quite well :) Sep 02 05:34:21 ya... i figured that out a few days ago. it wasnt so bad Sep 02 05:34:36 just type ssh://username@server/ into the address bar Sep 02 05:34:43 dude, linus Sep 02 05:34:56 linux is the easiest thing to FTP with Sep 02 05:34:59 FTP even Sep 02 05:35:02 efjdhfkddj Sep 02 05:35:04 oh.. ssh? i did sftp://..... Sep 02 05:35:12 effing touchpad kbd Sep 02 05:35:24 either should work Sep 02 05:35:26 M25_, hehe turn off auto correct Sep 02 05:35:48 how? Sep 02 05:35:52 will save you a world of frustration while wircing Sep 02 05:36:10 M25_, its in the settings part of the launcher youll see an app for it Sep 02 05:36:44 k Sep 02 05:36:53 M25_, or just type "Text assist" Sep 02 05:37:05 I found it Sep 02 05:37:16 btw, look into sshfs Sep 02 05:37:32 whats that Sep 02 05:37:56 it lets you mount sftp drives on linux, I'm porting it to touchpad Sep 02 05:38:30 oh very nice Sep 02 05:38:36 it already works on mine, now its just down to packaging Sep 02 05:39:06 I stream full movies using it, and touchplayer Sep 02 05:39:11 i had just added a short cut to the left panel seemed to work okay. is there any sort of advantage to mounting over that? Sep 02 05:39:56 encryption, compression if you do it right Sep 02 05:39:58 M25_, stream movies how? it just mounts sftp server as a drive right? Sep 02 05:40:06 also it only uses port 22 Sep 02 05:40:09 yes! Sep 02 05:40:28 so you can browse it with any program Sep 02 05:40:59 ah Sep 02 05:41:13 neat Sep 02 05:41:33 i was just reading here.. does this seem up to date enough https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS? Sep 02 05:41:48 it does put a significant load on the sending computer's CPU though Sep 02 05:42:00 due to encryption/compression Sep 02 05:42:30 if you're looking into it for backups, check out rsync Sep 02 05:43:08 out of date Sep 02 05:44:08 the permissions are funky, using nautilus gives almost the same thing without the permissions problem Sep 02 05:44:21 M25_, you can do rsync with webos devices :) using optware Sep 02 05:44:36 M25_, gotcha Sep 02 05:44:56 yep, already got it Sep 02 05:45:15 I <3 ssh, I use it for everything Sep 02 05:45:35 also x forwarding Sep 02 05:46:06 whats x forwarding? Sep 02 05:46:29 x forwarding over ssh Sep 02 05:46:38 lets you run windowed apps over ssh Sep 02 05:47:16 you just set your DISPLAY variables correctly, and graphical apps you run will show up on your screen instead of the remote computer Sep 02 05:47:31 on ubuntu, just use ssh -X user@server Sep 02 05:47:40 -XC if you want compression too, which believe me you do Sep 02 05:47:46 then run a program like gedit Sep 02 05:47:53 and it'll blow your mind Sep 02 05:48:46 M25_, interesting sounds neat! Sep 02 05:48:57 M25_, are you able to do it in xterm on TP? Sep 02 05:50:49 yes, but you have to do Sep 02 05:50:55 export DISPLAY=:0.0 Sep 02 05:51:21 before you ssh -XC user@server Sep 02 05:51:28 also Sep 02 05:52:06 since there's no wm on the touchpad, you can't rearrange the windows Sep 02 05:53:40 M25_, you cant rearrange it within the x server card? Sep 02 05:54:05 not without a WM Sep 02 05:54:12 which is my next project after packaging SSHFS Sep 02 05:54:19 what if you run it through the ubuntu chroot (but in this case you dont need to because you can run the xapps within the chroot Sep 02 05:54:40 it will work there provided you have a wm running in that chroot Sep 02 05:54:48 exactly Sep 02 05:54:53 M25_, gotcha Sep 02 05:54:59 I don't want the chroot myself Sep 02 05:55:10 but ya thats neat... so the xapps can actually access your local file system Sep 02 05:55:25 sounds similar to what citrix does? Sep 02 05:55:30 also, I have a disgustingly fast server that I would rather use for the (usually heavier) X apps Sep 02 05:55:36 no Sep 02 05:55:48 they are running remotely, on the server, not your client. Sep 02 05:55:51 you only get the display Sep 02 05:55:59 which is good, as all the rendering is done server-side Sep 02 05:55:59 ahh Sep 02 05:56:04 as well as all the backend RAM Sep 02 05:56:26 M25_, a little like VNC? Sep 02 05:56:33 you can ssh in, have it mount YOUR local FS, and then x-forward an app that can then use those folders Sep 02 05:56:36 but only for the speific x app? Sep 02 05:56:42 yes, it works for any X app Sep 02 05:56:48 also, windows and mac can be clients for it Sep 02 05:57:02 using xming for windows, and the native X11 support on mac Sep 02 05:57:07 I feel like A complete nooblet, but I can't get a terminal on my touch pad. Looked for Xecutah, but it's not in preware. Sep 02 05:57:21 Gorton: it's in the testing repos Sep 02 05:57:30 only get them if you're willing to possibly Bork things Sep 02 05:57:31 M25_, interesting. so running an x-forwarding server will allow for running windows apps like word Sep 02 05:57:38 no Sep 02 05:57:48 it'll allow windows to get the display from Linux apps Sep 02 05:58:08 ah gotcha.. client on the windows/mac Sep 02 05:58:12 which are managed by windows native window system, i.e. You can minimize them, drag, etc Sep 02 05:58:13 yeah Sep 02 05:58:13 how could i access the webos fs within ubuntu?? Sep 02 05:58:30 you said that for some reason i thought server Sep 02 05:58:52 technikfreak45: novaterm is an easy way, or just put it in USB mode and transfer using whatever file browser you want Sep 02 05:59:04 no i mean if i am in the ubuntu chroot Sep 02 05:59:17 adn want have access to files whcioh are on the webos tp Sep 02 05:59:32 M25_, by the way you can install window manager on webos (I think these screen shots are from original pre a bit over a year ago) http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:X Sep 02 05:59:32 oh! Sep 02 05:59:44 technikfreak45: good question... I'm not sure honestly Sep 02 06:00:23 Jack87: that's in the ubuntu chroot Sep 02 06:00:45 Jack87: you can also run one on the remote server and it'll windowfy stuff locally Sep 02 06:00:50 however it's very slow and glitchy Sep 02 06:01:04 im pretty sure those screenshots are running a mini build of debian but i could be wrong Sep 02 06:01:20 they are, debian or ubuntu Sep 02 06:01:31 boah how they could run pdigin!????? Sep 02 06:02:30 technikfreak45, haha thats on original palm pre Sep 02 06:03:38 k, I'm calling it a night Sep 02 06:03:41 peace Sep 02 06:04:01 me to im out.. goodnight all Sep 02 06:04:26 `night Jack87 Sep 02 06:04:35 cya jack Sep 02 06:04:45 sleep tight all Sep 02 06:05:11 cya Sep 02 06:05:14 I'm off to bed too Sep 02 06:05:16 night all Sep 02 06:06:27 night PatrickC_TP Sep 02 06:33:16 hm.. do you guys have an idea of what to do? I'm trying to use amigo music player - but it keeps giving me the com.palm.mediadb not found, because apparently the service does not ..exist on my phone? Sep 02 06:37:39 Hey guys, have a friend that wants me to (jailbreak, root) his Palm Pre. I've seen alot of "guides" on how to do this, but haven't really gotten a straight forward explanation. Is there a link I can go to for the latest method to do this? Sep 02 06:38:10 there is no jailbreak or root for a pre Sep 02 06:39:23 There's no way to gain root access to a pre? Sep 02 06:39:30 you can't jailbreak or root a device you already have full access to Sep 02 06:39:49 just put it into developer mode. boosh root access Sep 02 06:40:14 install the palm sdk Sep 02 06:40:20 As far as after rebooting the phone, does it come out of developer mode? Sep 02 06:40:27 no Sep 02 06:40:28 Or once it's enabled, it's done? Sep 02 06:40:58 all developer mode does is enable terminal services basically Sep 02 06:41:03 Ok, so just putting it in developer mode, is "rooting" it. Sep 02 06:41:17 so you can gain command line access Sep 02 06:41:34 no. it's already rootes Sep 02 06:41:41 rooted Sep 02 06:41:57 Sorry, you'll have to excuse my ignorance. I'm a Android guy myself, just trying to help a friend out. Lol. Sep 02 06:42:16 if you're looking to just mess with homebrew stuff Sep 02 06:42:30 then look no further than preware Sep 02 06:42:38 I think it's mostly for tethering. Sep 02 06:43:05 download the preware homebrew documentation from the app catalog Sep 02 06:43:19 it explains everything Sep 02 06:43:43 preware will give you access to the freetether app Sep 02 06:45:00 webos quick install is probably the easiest way to install preware Sep 02 06:46:12 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware ? Sep 02 06:46:15 This right? Sep 02 06:46:19 yup Sep 02 06:46:44 Alright, I do all this through a cmd prompt with Dev mode on right? Sep 02 06:47:38 follow the instructions for installing preware via webos quick install Sep 02 06:48:22 Yeah I see them. Thanks alot, hopefully this is what he's looking for. Lol. Sep 02 06:48:29 it is Sep 02 06:49:02 after preware is installed . use it to install freetether Sep 02 06:49:53 even webos quick install can install freetether. but he'll want preware too Sep 02 06:51:07 Yeah, i'm pretty sure he's looking for preware. Sep 02 06:51:15 Sounds like what he's looking for anyways. Sep 02 07:04:16 does anyone know how couild i accesss te webos linux from chroot? Sep 02 09:45:44 hey, im thinking about buying a hp veer. does it have real gps or only a-gps? Sep 02 09:48:00 because she needs navigation on her next device, and i dont know if this will work with a-gps Sep 02 12:36:39 whoever it does: thank you for pushing Pre3/2.2.0 compatible patches into the feed... :) Sep 02 12:58:16 hi Sep 02 12:59:17 what do I have to do to have ssh access to my touchpad, in order to read debug logs,.. ? Sep 02 13:17:00 nono42: use novaterm Sep 02 13:18:42 novaterm says unable to find device Sep 02 13:19:00 do i need to do anything other than activating developer mode on the touchpad to have ssh working ? Sep 02 13:21:18 install openssh. there's a guide on teh wiki Sep 02 13:22:19 well, that is if you want to do it without usb tether. the novacom thing is useful while tethering. if you want to use straight ssh you ned to follow the guide Sep 02 13:22:54 make sure you don't enable usb sharing mode when the thing popsup Sep 02 13:29:15 anyone know how to modify the wpa supplicant to get wpa2 peap mschapv2 to work? Sep 02 13:37:27 well, with usb is fine to me Sep 02 13:37:51 ok, seems like i needed to update the sdk: wasn't running the very last version Sep 02 13:37:53 seems to work now Sep 02 13:37:54 thanks Sep 02 14:06:13 Quiet... Sep 02 14:18:30 hrmm Sep 02 14:18:36 sdl terminal hangs on insterll from preware Sep 02 14:18:41 so i went and found the ipk and installed it Sep 02 14:18:51 i see it but when i try to launch it, nothing happens Sep 02 14:19:26 anyone have sdl terminal working on their tp? Sep 02 14:32:49 so it seems like the TP has USB Host support out of the box. only thing is you need to supply the power to the USB devices. anyone try this? Sep 02 14:33:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV0ElV0-B-M&feature=player_embedded Sep 02 14:35:44 elpollodiablo1: question, i am wanting to use my touchpad for ecu data logging Sep 02 14:35:56 Can anyone tell me how to create a partition for ubuntu from novacom? Sep 02 14:36:01 which uses a obd2 to usb that shows up as acom port Sep 02 14:36:17 do you think that would work? Sep 02 14:37:20 DQn3tsWRK dont think it works on TP Sep 02 14:37:30 sdlterm Sep 02 14:37:56 elpollodiablo1 usb host mode is mentioned on the wiki I be;ieve Sep 02 14:38:07 using externally powered device yeah Sep 02 14:38:25 must have missed that one the wiki Sep 02 14:39:01 could you link me to that page on the wiki Sep 02 14:39:20 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/USB_Host_Mode Sep 02 14:40:07 usb otg ftw Sep 02 14:40:29 it was just added 2 days ago so it is relatively new info Sep 02 14:40:30 Can anyone help me troubleshoot novaterm? I get a error when I try to type in the prompt Sep 02 14:40:46 http://pastebin.com/uvD5Qq67 Sep 02 14:42:23 Every time I hit a key in the terminal I get that error, although it does connect to the touchpad Sep 02 15:05:08 '9999 Sep 02 15:05:08 9 Sep 02 15:14:33 you know what a great patch, hack, addon would be? the ability to scroll through the cards and never stop at the first or last card. Just keep going. Sep 02 15:18:06 did anyone try f4 kernel overclocking in TP Sep 02 15:19:04 lucky99, I'm sure plenty did. Sep 02 15:19:45 is it possible using f4 kernel with touch droid Sep 02 15:21:02 lucky99, we don't do touchdroid, so we would not know Sep 02 15:21:39 how would recommend f4kernel vs f5 kernel Sep 02 15:22:18 I don't "recommend" experimental kernels for those who don't know the difference. Sep 02 15:24:33 i heard there is new update, is it 3.0.2 or new one is coming Sep 02 15:25:47 we would not know that as we do not work for HP. Sep 02 15:28:14 i saw glass effects patch, it looks quite awesome..using this can we change themes? or just it will stick it to one theme Sep 02 15:29:44 do we have swype keyboard available in preware apps? i like to have one and also some additional browsers like firefox Sep 02 15:31:48 What command do I run to partition for Ubuntu via novacom? Sep 02 15:33:32 So with this whole USB OTG thing...why not use a power injector like we did with the Nokia 770?... Sep 02 15:33:52 really simple to make, costs 8 bucks from Radio Shack to make... Sep 02 15:34:39 or make a kernel extension to allow it to give more juice to the accessory Sep 02 15:34:42 ka6sox: are you most of a v/uhf or hf guy? Sep 02 15:35:31 Optimo: yeah, but depending on demand...and whether or not the device is capable (I'm not following too closely)... Sep 02 15:35:51 sure. I'm just comparing to what id done on the ipad for some Sep 02 15:36:17 Gotcha Sep 02 15:36:36 on the later firmwares, apple dialed-down the juice output significantly Sep 02 15:36:53 there was a custom kernel compiled to get it back to 250MA or w/e Sep 02 15:37:08 I'm just wondering if the circuitry could handle it...without burning anything out. Sep 02 15:39:32 I'd like to have a subversion client on webOS. would it be as simple as compiling source code for arm? Sep 02 15:39:46 Man, I miss my N770.... Sep 02 15:40:44 lolpande: it's as simple as installing it from optware in fact Sep 02 15:41:13 gotcha. browsing now Sep 02 15:41:51 assuming you have optware installed on your device, just go into a shell and type ipkg-opt install svn Sep 02 15:48:35 ka6sox: seen http://www.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-already-has-usb-host-support-webos-prepped-sd-cards ? Sep 02 15:49:14 destinal, yep Sep 02 15:51:57 ka6sox: some kind of disk utility would be handy, mount, umount, format, etc Sep 02 15:53:09 Well, looks like it's time to grab some teflon-coated silver wire, and a mini hub. Sep 02 15:53:16 okay, I have subversion, woo! Sep 02 15:53:55 destinal, yup...if only I had 27hrs/day :D Sep 02 15:58:40 ok next question! am I able to make calls to the subversion libraries from enyo? Sep 02 15:58:57 or will I have to use the pdk? Sep 02 16:00:41 or can I maybe execute a shell command from enyo? Sep 02 17:29:02 dtzWill: can you give me a basic run-down of what you needed to do to get xserver running in Webos? I'm thinking of attempting something similar in Android Sep 02 17:42:55 hi Sep 02 17:44:01 can anyone help me out? Govnah only shows me the default profile and the on demand.. Does this mean uberkernel Sep 02 17:44:09 isn't installed? Sep 02 17:45:40 does it show values in the other lines? Sep 02 17:46:04 yes Sep 02 17:46:13 rawr still no 2.2 meta doctor Sep 02 17:46:18 :p Sep 02 17:46:59 does on-demand allow you to set a max higher than 1200? Sep 02 17:47:45 yes max 1.512 looks like Sep 02 17:48:15 so you seem to have uk Sep 02 17:48:37 which governor were you looking for? Sep 02 17:48:42 yea prepare only gives option to remove so seems rt Sep 02 17:48:42 screenstate? Sep 02 17:48:46 the max one Sep 02 17:48:57 ah Sep 02 17:49:11 all of them would be nice Sep 02 17:50:35 is there a way to install them into the app or something? Sep 02 17:51:09 they normally come with Sep 02 17:51:19 I don't know much about it on the TP Sep 02 17:51:34 maybe that's only those 2 Sep 02 17:51:54 oh I see Sep 02 17:52:08 well I guess this'll have to do Sep 02 17:52:46 the default behaves similarly anyway correct? Just now I have the potential for 1.5? Sep 02 17:53:16 I think the default does not scale down no Sep 02 17:54:31 ok thanks for your help Sep 02 17:54:35 cu guys Sep 02 18:40:15 Hi guys Sep 02 18:41:08 getting an Unable to open /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scling_govenor Sep 02 18:41:14 suggestions? Sep 02 18:41:34 oh sorry.. using Govnah and F15C kernel Sep 02 18:42:40 delete profiles, uninstall govnah, reboot, reinstall govnha Sep 02 18:43:51 k will try, thank you Sep 02 18:46:36 ok 1 more silly question Sep 02 18:46:57 how do u delete profiles? within Govnah? or kill some app data? Sep 02 18:47:44 slide them to the right Sep 02 18:47:55 and youll see a delete button pop up underneath them Sep 02 18:50:38 found it.. thanks Sep 02 18:56:21 is it the F15C giving the headaches or Govnah Sep 02 18:56:47 I just tried to change my settings again and got the same message Sep 02 18:56:57 hm. weird. Sep 02 18:57:44 I had the same issue and did that and it fixed it. Sep 02 18:58:40 should I be choosing the clock speed first.. saving a new profile? Sep 02 18:59:02 I think I am attempting to change the clock speed of the ondemandctrl Sep 02 19:04:40 seems that the latest Govnah is kinda buggy.. If I create a new profile and DO NOT change it back it works.. if u change it at all it breaks it and it cannot write Sep 02 19:09:39 yeah sounds weird. Stupid technology Sep 02 19:11:12 I mean.. it wont even work now Sep 02 19:12:31 do you have a lot of shit on it? Sep 02 19:12:41 might want to just start over. Sep 02 19:16:07 ya tons of shit Sep 02 19:16:19 I just killed gov and f15 Sep 02 19:16:21 reinstalling Sep 02 19:16:26 have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling the kernel? Sep 02 19:16:33 ya just did that Sep 02 19:16:37 see what happens now Sep 02 19:16:38 that'd be my first move Sep 02 19:16:56 I have a Demo touchpad.. last thing I want to do is wipe it Sep 02 19:16:56 lol Sep 02 19:19:59 error saving again.. CPU1 is overclocked.. CPU2 is doing nothing Sep 02 19:21:36 have you tried reinstalling the stock palm kernel? Sep 02 19:21:51 preware for that? Sep 02 19:21:55 yessir Sep 02 19:22:07 under recovery instead of experimental Sep 02 19:23:16 ok removed Govnah.. remove F15c Sep 02 19:23:22 installing default palm Sep 02 19:23:28 or you can just install the recovery kernel over f15 Sep 02 19:23:41 both ways work Sep 02 19:23:45 ok so now reboot and redo gov and f15 Sep 02 19:24:01 given you've installed the stock kernel yes Sep 02 19:24:10 yep its rebooting Sep 02 19:24:29 to clarify the f15 process.. install gov reboot install f15 reboot? Sep 02 19:24:41 or vice-versa Sep 02 19:41:00 i do vice versa Sep 02 19:41:11 well actually install f15 hit later, then install govnah, then reboot manually Sep 02 19:45:46 dtzWill: you around? Sep 02 19:45:51 :) Sep 02 19:47:03 cyclic: kinda. sup? :) Sep 02 19:47:32 hey Sep 02 19:47:54 to update the xorg-server and all the x stuff, can I just update the makefiles to the new package urls? Sep 02 19:50:13 cyclic: o_O what now Sep 02 19:50:19 lol Sep 02 19:50:20 oh did x release a new update? Sep 02 19:50:26 oh I dunno Sep 02 19:50:32 maybe not Sep 02 19:50:35 or do you wanna just update individual components? Sep 02 19:50:45 just individual components really Sep 02 19:51:08 can I just put the new package URLs in those respective packages makefiles? Sep 02 19:51:45 just curious if that's how it works really Sep 02 19:51:51 or if that's how you would do it Sep 02 19:52:03 cyclic: should just be able to bump the version numbers in the makefile Sep 02 19:52:03 ll Sep 02 19:52:11 oh unless i key into the x version Sep 02 19:52:12 it's possible Sep 02 19:52:13 ok Sep 02 19:52:21 (sounds like you figured that out either way) Sep 02 19:52:22 yeah I think that might work Sep 02 19:52:31 cool thank ou Sep 02 19:52:32 but yeah that'll /build/ it, but then gotta make sure everything works Sep 02 19:52:33 hehe :) Sep 02 19:52:38 dude, I got it working! Sep 02 19:52:52 FreeRDP is running on the touchpad now Sep 02 19:53:02 :D Sep 02 19:53:10 I am just adding the SDL stuff Sep 02 19:53:11 cyclic: you were having color issues before, right? those resolved? Sep 02 19:53:22 I think I have that sorted Sep 02 19:53:35 it was just BGR vs RGB Sep 02 19:53:44 * dtzWill nods Sep 02 19:54:03 we might not need X though for FreeRDP Sep 02 19:54:05 endianness issue on the encoding? Sep 02 19:54:14 yeah i was just gonna suggest might be worth looking into pulling X outta the picture Sep 02 19:54:23 yeah Sep 02 19:54:33 SDL might just do all the stuff Sep 02 19:54:40 I need to build in some multitouch stuff Sep 02 19:54:55 I was also digging around for copy paste... Sep 02 19:55:43 can't find any copy paste in the SDK... might need to crack open the libraries and see if there are functions anywhere for that Sep 02 19:56:04 BTW, are the libraries code signed for the TouchPad at all? Sep 02 19:57:30 no, i don't think so Sep 02 19:57:45 as long as you export the same functions, you should be able to replace them Sep 02 19:58:02 interesting Sep 02 19:58:11 ok thanks Sep 02 20:17:52 pretty quiet here Sep 02 20:18:43 whew Sep 02 20:39:09 patch/tweak request: fix "always trust" for expired/self-signed SSL certificates in the browser to actually "always trust" and not "trust for a few seconds and then prompt you again" Sep 02 20:49:21 you know, every time I re-doctor my pre- to 2.1, I forget to up the compcache Sep 02 20:49:31 but the TMC errors are awful without it Sep 02 21:27:41 is there still an issue with having a 2.x and 1.4.5 webos device on the same profile? Sep 02 21:35:29 I am trying to activate my gsm developer pre 2 so I can get app catalog, but I didnt want this to cause issue with my 1.4.5 every day pre. Sep 02 21:39:02 use a different profile Sep 02 21:40:26 yeah that was my thought just wanted to see if there was anything new on the 2.x profile on 1.4.5 os Sep 02 21:41:06 anyone try pullin apart the 2.2 doc to get sms forwarding working? Sep 02 21:41:51 not sure if its a ls2 service er what it could be. Took the noobie path of pulling the BT app to see if it was a special profile, but no dice Sep 02 21:43:14 'lo peeps Sep 02 21:44:43 I was looking around, and failing to find, any sort of RDP app - only some bnc bas Sep 02 21:45:32 gah ... vnc based stuff, even Sep 02 21:45:40 does sms not work with 2.1? Sep 02 21:47:22 Would it be hopelessly naive to start trying to get rdesktop working with Xserver and/or the debian/ubuntu chroots ? Sep 02 21:48:08 ka6sox: are you around? Sep 02 21:48:47 kurai^: it should work but all the feature might not work due to lack of right click and such. Sep 02 21:49:28 LarrySteeze, yup Sep 02 22:00:40 kurai^: not at all, it's already staged in the WIDK--iirc it 'works' but as elpollodiablo1 mentioned it will have same input limitations as the x server itself Sep 02 22:01:03 (but probably easiest/best to run from chroot, but i'm saying we have it such that we could ship it as an app w/o a chroot, like xterm) Sep 02 22:01:25 ooh - nice Sep 02 22:02:35 No need for me to reinvent the wheel then. Always good to know *before* starting on something ;) Sep 02 22:03:59 hi there ! I'm new to webos, I installed bash and openssh, but what kind of graphic shell can I install ? I didn't found xterm in the preware list :( Sep 02 22:04:00 Can anyone confirm whether or not the Touch To Share is currently functioning in the current release of hte pre 3? Sep 02 22:04:41 rom1dep: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Netbook_Remix Sep 02 22:05:33 LarrySteeze: huuu... I don't want to chroot my tablet Sep 02 22:05:51 LarrySteeze: I just want to use a graphic shell on Luna Sep 02 22:07:29 Have you installed Xecutah? Sep 02 22:09:40 LarrySteeze: this installs X11 ? Sep 02 22:10:41 there is no term on top of the default graphics server ? Sep 02 22:32:01 so how do I install the touchpad-compatible wIRC on my touchpad if I already have normal wIRC? Sep 02 22:32:26 or is it not in preware? Sep 02 22:41:55 Damn pre2 messing up bad Sep 02 22:50:15 Freezes hard about 2 mins after home screen and now says phone offline while still laggy as hell... Sep 02 23:16:17 could we maybe extract the Bluetooth profiles from the 2.2 doctor and install them on 2.1? Sep 02 23:17:03 or are the profiles stored in the kernel? Sep 02 23:17:22 dunno, dunno Sep 02 23:17:39 I hope they aren't in the kernel Sep 02 23:17:56 as the Pre3 has a more up-to-date kernel, doesn't it? Sep 02 23:18:03 usually they are files Sep 02 23:18:30 so you think it would be possible then? Sep 02 23:19:30 what did I just say? Sep 02 23:19:38 that you think they are files Sep 02 23:19:52 [16:12] dunno, dunno Sep 02 23:24:40 Regarding: Does SMB have Pre & Veer phones for sale? A: US SMB store does not have stock on these items and won't in the future. Sep 02 23:24:42 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Sep 02 23:24:56 ugh, double ugh. i can't believe i missed out on the $49 pre2s Sep 02 23:33:43 zefyx, join the club Sep 02 23:41:14 what wireless speed is my TP supposed to get? i'm uploading through openssh with only like 200-700 kb/s Sep 02 23:41:56 and how can i prevent files to fail cause the TP goes to sleep mode? i already use DOZE to keep wifi on but apperantly its not enuf? Sep 02 23:54:15 no one can help me? Sep 02 23:56:18 possible to covert this patch to thetouchpadwebos 3.0.2? http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/225480-patch-haptic-feedback-manager.html Sep 02 23:56:29 its tactics manager Sep 02 23:56:40 haptics* Sep 03 00:39:51 thinking of getting a veer. any testing kernels out for the veer yet to oc that msm7230? Sep 03 00:43:24 zefyx: yep, warthogkernel Sep 03 00:43:30 used it daily since i got my veer :) Sep 03 00:44:25 hmm.. who knows where the Bluetooth profiles are stored in the doctor? Sep 03 00:44:51 good day all! Sep 03 00:47:43 hai Sep 03 00:48:09 Someone convince my wife that the Touchpad will give her cancer. I can't do any dev. <:( Sep 03 00:48:22 hey Sep 03 00:48:51 umm... thats.. odd.. lol Sep 03 00:49:22 Eh, she's taken it over. Sep 03 00:56:31 holy moly ... why does my palm phone send international SMS back home O_O to the UK .. from Germany .. now I have to pay 8 euro for that! ... is there a way to turn that off? Sep 03 00:58:48 it only does it at palm profile activation Sep 03 00:59:53 so only at the first time, right? I don't have to fear that it'll send it each time something happens on my phone? Sep 03 01:00:58 because for me it sent 21 sms :( Sep 03 01:16:54 hm it really seems that some people send up to 14 SMS (according to some sites).. I've sent 21 or so D: ... that's plain sad.. I'm not really after the money.. I just don't want for it to repeat :/ Sep 03 01:17:10 I'd rather not have a palm profile at all if possible Sep 03 01:32:10 coo, the 2.2 doctor should mean a 2.2 version of the alarm clock day-of-week patch \o/ Sep 03 01:37:38 I'm hoping the 2.2 doctor means MAP Bluetooth profile on older phones :) Sep 03 01:42:13 What is the Doctor? Sep 03 01:42:16 why would preware work fine till after a reboot, then show the little circle icon representing that it should be "downloading" after a reboot? Sep 03 01:42:34 webOS Doctor Sep 03 01:45:18 PatrickC_TP: what does the AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE documentation say? Sep 03 01:45:33 rwhitby: I didn't use that Sep 03 01:47:38 rwhitby: which is why I thought it odd Sep 03 01:51:45 zefyx: when were there $49 pre2's? Sep 03 01:53:02 destinal: he may mean on contract Sep 03 01:53:26 No, there were Sep 03 01:53:36 hp, if you had student or epp discount Sep 03 01:53:40 off contract? Sep 03 01:53:49 Yeah, straight from hp Sep 03 01:53:51 oh well Sep 03 01:53:56 Same with the Veer Sep 03 01:54:03 I got mine for 55, so I guess I can't complain Sep 03 01:54:22 SMB store wont be getting any more in Sep 03 01:54:27 he probably made 6 bucks off me, and I'm okay with that Sep 03 01:54:38 Id be okay with that too Sep 03 01:54:40 my veer was 99 euro Sep 03 01:55:14 The home store still has them listed, which is weird if they arent getting anymore in. But both stores have different inventories. Sep 03 01:55:20 Aoi: you don't need a palm profile, unless you want to access the app catalog, get OTA updates, or have your phone backed up by HP. Sep 03 01:56:04 hm.. thank you rwhitby for the info :). But.. can I be sure that it won't send more SMS to the UK? Sep 03 01:56:16 because I am not sure when it sends them .. just when I setup a profile? Sep 03 02:01:17 I wonder how fast a DS emulator could run on the touchpad Sep 03 02:01:37 it can send them whenever it wants, but I have only seen it do so when you log into a Palm profile Sep 03 02:04:02 Framework|AWAY: hoping for a ps1 emu myself :D Sep 03 02:04:03 so basically if I turn my Phone off completely and turn it on it might relog into the profile and send those SMS? Sep 03 02:05:47 Is this page applicable to the HP touchpad with 3.0.2? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/RTorrent Sep 03 02:06:32 thanks dtzWill Sep 03 02:06:43 destinal Sep 03 02:06:50 I'm using xterm (is there a better terminal app out there?), and ipkg-opt install rtorrent gives me error: 4 (cannot find package) Sep 03 02:06:50 zefyx: hey Sep 03 02:07:00 when the firesale started, hp academy members were able to get pre2s for $49 shipped Sep 03 02:07:01 ;( Sep 03 02:07:25 of course, i waited too late deciding on the 16gb vs 32gb touchpad and ended up missing out on the cheap pre2s AND touchpad Sep 03 02:08:24 I find it sad that HP gives up on such a good OS D: Sep 03 02:08:32 I like webos so far quite a lot .. Sep 03 02:09:49 yeah Sep 03 02:09:52 its depressing. Sep 03 02:10:02 i have upgrades left and right, but don't want to use them. Sep 03 02:10:09 same with my family. we want new webos devices :( Sep 03 02:11:11 win7: should work. add a note to the page if it does Sep 03 02:11:37 win7: I run you! Sep 03 02:12:02 e too^^ Sep 03 02:12:03 rwhitby: is there a feed that rtorrent is on? Perhaps I do not have it added Sep 03 02:12:05 zefyx: well HP hasn't given up on webos supposedly, just webos hardware Sep 03 02:12:08 me* Sep 03 02:15:20 yeah Sep 03 02:15:22 problem is.. Sep 03 02:15:31 i'm not so sure anyone else will want to license the OS Sep 03 02:15:45 the earlier news about samsung was depressing to say the least ;\ Sep 03 02:16:22 My only issues with webOS are the keyboard and lack of most apps Sep 03 02:16:39 win7: please add a link to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Optware on that wiki page Sep 03 02:18:18 Oh wow, thanks rwhitby! I'll do that as soon as I confirm that it works Sep 03 02:18:24 i wanted the pre3 so badly. Sep 03 02:19:04 i had every intention of paying full price for one. but when hp europe put them on sale for $79, but told the US to scoff off, that made me angry. Sep 03 02:21:31 rwhitby: any idea on the preware thing? Sep 03 02:21:42 hiya Sep 03 02:21:54 hey themike Sep 03 02:22:11 Abyssul_, my pre just arrived Sep 03 02:22:13 thanks Sep 03 02:23:07 anyone know hot to turn off spellchecker on the touchpad...has made some bad errors in chat..lol Sep 03 02:23:23 turn off Text Assist Sep 03 02:23:33 ahh Sep 03 02:24:02 is there a war to see the suggested and click if I want it? Sep 03 02:24:13 but not have it do it auto Sep 03 02:25:39 on android you get the suggested bar above the keyboard if ya get what I mean Sep 03 02:25:40 PatrickC_TP: you used AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE on that device Sep 03 02:25:48 rwhitby: no I didn't Sep 03 02:26:27 PatrickC_TP: forgive me for not believing you, since previously you have strenuously denied things which have been true. Sep 03 02:26:47 the symptom you are describing has only ever had that cause in the past. Sep 03 02:26:48 I know for a fact, because I have used this doctor multiple times Sep 03 02:27:05 a re-install of preware via cmd line fixed it, but no I didn't use that Sep 03 02:27:27 actually, a re-install of Preware usually will not fix it. reboot and see if it returns. Sep 03 02:27:49 ok. we are rebooting now Sep 03 02:29:28 bad when I type gah and it shows up as gay..lol Sep 03 02:29:35 lol Sep 03 02:29:40 wow wtf. Sep 03 02:29:53 my sans digital hdd bay has a floating ground or something Sep 03 02:30:08 i get a dull shock when touching the back of the case, or even the esata when plugged in Sep 03 02:30:13 I see if I tap the word my org spelling returns Sep 03 02:32:02 I was in twitches and got the boot..lol..I typed "gah that game makes me dizzy" but the spell deadline wrote it as gay Sep 03 02:32:17 twit chat Sep 03 02:32:29 rwhitby: after a reboot, its gone again Sep 03 02:32:39 see it rewrote that as twitches..makin me nuts Sep 03 02:32:48 PatrickC_TP: I rest my case Sep 03 02:33:02 but I know *for sure* that I didn't use the AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE case Sep 03 02:33:08 I had to manually install preware Sep 03 02:33:38 PatrickC_TP: have you ever taken a logic class ? Sep 03 02:33:51 I don't need it. I know I didn't use it Sep 03 02:34:24 PatrickC_TP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inference Sep 03 02:34:31 dealie Sep 03 02:34:48 just because you had to manually install Preware does not prove that you did not use AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE. Sep 03 02:35:08 I just asked my dad what doctor he used Sep 03 02:35:15 ahh, so the veer kernel tops off at 1ghz Sep 03 02:35:16 he told me the dir he found the doctor in Sep 03 02:35:21 depressing, but better than nothing. Sep 03 02:35:25 and it was the old doctor that had that switch Sep 03 02:35:29 I thought I deleted that doctor Sep 03 02:35:33 sorry rwhitby Sep 03 02:36:47 can you run two apps splitscreen on the touchpad? Sep 03 02:37:04 PatrickC_TP: you realise this episode has only strengthened my position of never believing anything you state to be an incontrovertible truth, right? Sep 03 02:37:26 rwhitby: as far as I knew that doctor didn't exist anymore Sep 03 02:37:31 I was going off what my dad told me Sep 03 02:37:48 and then he told me where he found it, I looked, and it was an old doctor that had that in it Sep 03 02:37:56 PatrickC_TP: "I know for a fact" - you did not know for fact. Sep 03 02:38:14 I admit, I shouldn't have said that Sep 03 02:38:35 and yet you continued to argue the case before double checking your own assumptions. Sep 03 02:38:39 but as far as I knew, the doctor didn't exist.. so why would I think he used it Sep 03 02:38:41 i found a white tp on my locla Sep 03 02:39:05 local craigslist for 580 if anyone is interested Sep 03 02:39:33 nope Sep 03 02:39:36 lol Sep 03 02:40:11 PatrickC_TP: have a serious read of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inference - it will assist you in similar circumstances in the future, and in troubleshooting problems in general. Sep 03 02:40:39 rwhitby: on a different note: do you think that we could extract the Bluetooth profile for SMS fwd'ing from the 2.2 doctor and install it on a 2.1 phone? Sep 03 02:40:44 I'll have a look at that link Sep 03 02:42:27 hm .. say .. is there a way for a veer to offer its wlan for say .. my notebook? or do I demand too much of this pretty phone? Sep 03 02:42:46 err.. its internet connection via wlan* Sep 03 02:42:50 like.. turn your phone into a WiFi hotspot? Sep 03 02:42:58 yes Sep 03 02:43:06 freeTether in Preware should be able to do that Sep 03 02:43:10 Aoi-re: freeTether Sep 03 02:43:13 I've never tried it on a Veer Sep 03 02:43:17 ah thank you will look into it! Sep 03 02:45:12 PatrickC_TP: I wonder how hard it would be to get 2.2 working on pre / pre2 / veer etc Sep 03 02:45:34 destinal: would it work? Sep 03 02:45:50 are they similar enough? Sep 03 02:45:59 s/they/the phones/ Sep 03 02:46:00 PatrickC_TP meant: are the phones similar enough? Sep 03 02:46:15 PatrickC_TP: it depends Sep 03 02:46:34 destinal: I would happily do any testing that needs to be done on my pre2 Sep 03 02:47:11 if you told me what I needed to do, I would do it. I don't care if I brick it, as the pre2 is unbrickable, isn't it? Sep 03 02:48:09 PatrickC_TP: yeah short of hardware damage but anyway if it becomes possible we could do a metadoctor script. no idea whether the graphics libraries of 2.1 are compatible with 2.2 though. they may be Sep 03 02:48:38 well, just let me know where you get. I would gladly help in any way I could Sep 03 02:48:45 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade Sep 03 02:48:51 Should be the same procedure. Sep 03 02:48:56 Izza: that's not for 2.2 Sep 03 02:49:05 /yet/ Sep 03 02:49:10 Should be the same procedure. Sep 03 02:49:48 for 2.1, there was a doctor released for the Pre+, which is almost the same thing as the Pre-, which is why I think it was easier to do it for the Pre-/Pre+ Sep 03 02:49:53 Izza: if we can make it work and if we can write new scripts to do the same as the existing ones, yes Sep 03 02:50:02 there is no 2.2 doctor for anything but the pre3 Sep 03 02:50:39 Izza: depends on whether the bits we have in 2.2 for pre3 can be made to work with the bits we have of 2.1 for pre2, etc Sep 03 02:51:31 I don't mean to make it seem like, "Derp, that should be easy, c'mon guys!" or anything. You're doing more than I could. :) Sep 03 02:52:00 Izza: heh yeah though you're right about how it could be documented and scripted, same way for end users Sep 03 02:53:19 I've not gotten past Eclipse, etc, myself. I'm a complete newbie to embedded, let alone webOS, and while I'm hoping to do some ports, it's questionable if I'm going to gain any ground. Sep 03 02:53:49 can I use Internalz to install an IPK via url? Sep 03 02:55:24 I actually found the IPK on the device, surprised me Sep 03 02:56:02 Well, I successfully made a libpcap package Sep 03 02:57:01 * Izza would love to see Kismet on wOS. Sep 03 02:57:04 Izza: for the webOS 2.1 upgrade to legacy devices, the kernel cpu architecture was the same. That is not the case for the Pre 3. Sep 03 02:57:12 Izza, working on it Sep 03 02:57:27 PatrickC_TP: just use Preware to install an ipk via url Sep 03 02:57:51 rwhitby: I had to uninstall preware because it kept going into the "updating" mode Sep 03 02:57:59 it uninstalled cleanly (or so it seemed) Sep 03 02:58:00 Izza, kismet is having issues finding the ncurses and pcap libraries Sep 03 02:58:11 so I used Internalz to install a preware IPK I had on the device Sep 03 02:58:41 PatrickC_TP: well, you haven't yet asked what the fix is for using AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE against the recommendation in the documentation ... Sep 03 02:59:04 rwhitby: trying to debug it myself. Sep 03 02:59:12 I'll check the docs if/when this doesn't work Sep 03 02:59:37 PatrickC_TP: rm -f /var/palm/data/com.palm.appInstallService/installHistory.db ; reboot Sep 03 02:59:41 but of course, as always, you were right Sep 03 02:59:50 it didn't survive the reboot again Sep 03 02:59:52 I'll do that now **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 03 02:59:56 2011