**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 03 02:59:56 2011 Sep 03 03:01:15 So would anyone be willing to point me in the right direction as far as compiling for ARMv7, specifically the Touchpad? I really just want to get to the point I can start debugging. My attempts at running Qemu have been unsuccessful. Sep 03 03:02:20 Izza: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels Sep 03 03:05:44 hm I've tried freetether now.. my laptop finds the wireless lan (freetether), but this wlan seems to not have an internet connection .. Sep 03 03:06:05 which is odd .. I wish I could try Mobile Hotspot - but this app seems not to be in the appcatalog Sep 03 03:06:21 * Abyssul_ stalks the git.webos-internals.org website for any changes to meta-doctor Sep 03 03:10:42 Abyssul_: what are you hoping for? Sep 03 03:11:28 2.2 support for Pre2 Sep 03 03:12:29 Abyssul_, what carrier are you using the pre2 for? Sep 03 03:12:41 all the meta-doctor features should be there for someone to attempt to write a meta-script Sep 03 03:13:39 rwhitby: what would be holding the 2.2 doctor back from running besides a device check? Sep 03 03:14:36 PatrickC_TP: roadrunner vs tenderloin for a start Sep 03 03:15:19 would the device check not bypass it checking to see what device its flashing? or are you talking about it actually knowing what it is? Sep 03 03:17:00 PatrickC_TP: there are some significant hardware differences but the real question is how much of what we're given with 2.2 is hardware specific, is it just libraries (which would be sensible) or what Sep 03 03:17:19 ah Sep 03 03:17:35 well, let me know what you all find out. I will help with any phase of testing Sep 03 03:18:41 sailerboy, Sprint Sep 03 03:19:02 Abyssul_, thought you got the GSM ones Sep 03 03:20:59 what does webos uses Qt for? Sep 03 03:21:32 PatrickC_TP: The Pre 2 has a roadrunner kernel which runs on an OMAP3. The Pre 3 has a tenderloin kernel which runs on a Qualcomm Snapdragon. Your question is similar to asking if you can take an engine from a chrysler and just drop it into a toyota and expect it to work as-is. Sep 03 03:22:03 rwhitby: and I didn't understand that Sep 03 03:22:07 so thanks for explaining Sep 03 03:24:29 rwhitby: I ran that command for the removal of preware, rebooted, and its still broke Sep 03 03:24:37 preware is still in the "updating" state Sep 03 03:25:36 ah guys thank you again for your suggestion concearning freetether! wlan seems not to work - but I get a flawless connection with internet using bluetooth Sep 03 03:25:49 cool! Sep 03 03:26:48 man this channel sure is helpful.. I really hope to get on good terms with my veer so I can help others here somehow.. Sep 03 03:27:47 PatrickC_TP: then you should doctor to fix it Sep 03 03:28:00 ok, I'll try that now Sep 03 03:28:20 rwhitby: heh yeah we'll need a few adapters of our own devising to fit the right pieces together Sep 03 03:28:46 certainly not a few quick swaps and done Sep 03 03:28:51 rwhitby: do you think an "erase apps and data" would work? Sep 03 03:28:59 yes Sep 03 03:29:57 ok I'll try that Sep 03 03:32:34 rwhitby: what is needed for a preware feed to see the device version and show only apps that are available to that version? Sep 03 03:34:13 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Packaging_Standards Sep 03 03:36:56 rwhitby: I would put those fields into the Packages file? Sep 03 03:53:35 So what's the difference between the wIRC in the HP Catalog and in Preware? Sep 03 03:53:55 I'm cheap so I don't like spending $4.29 if I don't have to :P Sep 03 03:53:59 Satellite: financial appreciation shown to the developers Sep 03 03:54:20 So no feature difference? Sep 03 03:54:29 the technical answer to your question will cost you $4.31 Sep 03 03:55:13 =/ Sep 03 03:56:00 how bad is it that I didn't even realize wirc was in the app catalog and thought it was available only via preware? Sep 03 03:56:14 LarrySteeze, i had the same thing Sep 03 03:56:29 LarrySteeze: it wasn't available for 3.x until recently Sep 03 03:58:28 is it the same version as in preware though? Sep 03 03:59:28 it says touchpad compatibility and bug-fixes but it's still the same version as in preware Sep 03 04:01:24 :/ why does the app catalog require a creditcard :( if it worked with a paypal account, it'd be much more convient to me since I don't have a CC, because I never really needed one Sep 03 04:01:53 I prefer PayPal too Sep 03 04:02:07 yeah .. donating via paypal is fast and works like a charm Sep 03 04:02:57 and buying apps via pp would be much easier for me .. because if I really need something from the app catalog, I have to get a credit card first .. not difficult, but it does take time and is not really necessary for me (except for the app catalog) Sep 03 04:03:32 Satellite: Aoi-re: you're preaching to the choir here. Sep 03 04:03:55 Android doesn't accept paypal do they? Sep 03 04:04:17 Android Market Sep 03 04:05:05 sorry. Sep 03 04:06:10 I'm still a bit upset because of those 21 sms it sent to the UK ^^ I'd rather have used that money in a way that made more sense Sep 03 04:06:34 your phone provider may be able to refund the SMSes if you tell them it was your phone provisioning? Sep 03 04:07:20 the phone and my card are from sort-of different providers .. but I am trying that - yeah Sep 03 04:11:13 I see ubuntu and debian chroot in preware. Anyone here running debian (or any distro other than ubuntu? Are others even possible atm?) Sep 03 04:12:52 folks are working on arch and funtoo Sep 03 04:13:56 :D Arch would be wonderful Sep 03 04:14:14 my only issue with Arch is that packages aren't signed :-/ I generally trust the .edu's for the most part, granted Sep 03 04:14:31 I just cross my fingers that they don't get compromised >_> Sep 03 04:22:28 win7: i primarily use debian, but almost everything is chrootable Sep 03 04:22:36 been meaning to throw together a slack one :) Sep 03 04:23:55 i think the main reason ubuntu/debian are the only chroots atm is because its ridiculously easy to setup. debootstrap ftw! Sep 03 04:24:17 * halfhalo tried to make a fedora chroot. it didn't end well Sep 03 04:26:36 more novelty for me than anything else. don't know that slack'd be a good fit for a chroot'd tablet :) Sep 03 04:27:52 heh. So, Ubuntu needs 2 GB. Does debian require any less? 16 GB tp here >_> Sep 03 04:29:02 i feel like even the 32 isn't big enough.. wish i got a 64 Sep 03 04:30:22 What do you use the space for? I have 5.5 GB of ogg q7 (speaking of which, are any of the music players able to do hw accelerated ogg?). Might put on a video or two, but I really don't need my whole video library on there :-) Sep 03 04:31:14 lots of apps are 300MB+ (the HD graphic intense games), i have ~5GB of music on there as well, and a few movies at a time Sep 03 04:31:24 somehow i've only got 8GB free already out of 32 Sep 03 04:31:33 i have a 16gb ext3fs for chroots, on my 32gb touchpad Sep 03 04:31:37 lol Sep 03 04:31:55 Oh wow! Sep 03 04:32:11 I have ~400MB apps (not sure, after I download that birds apps) and I have 8GB of media Sep 03 04:32:22 that birds app is almost a gig lol Sep 03 04:32:27 yeah Sep 03 04:32:29 I think angry birds HD is my largest app at 55 MB Sep 03 04:32:35 thought it was big :P Sep 03 04:32:47 took 20 minutes to install the damn thing Sep 03 04:32:59 i just kept saying "why did i get this? oh yeah it was $15 off" Sep 03 04:33:00 so, I have about 400MB of apps then the ~1GB of the birds app for my apps alone haha Sep 03 04:33:08 lonequid: same here Sep 03 04:33:18 opened it up, listened to 1 bird call Sep 03 04:33:20 deleted it Sep 03 04:33:21 heh Sep 03 04:33:31 I haven't even opened it yet hahaha Sep 03 04:33:56 i wonder if palm is really paying the dev $15 for each code, or they agreed on some flat-rate fee for x downloads Sep 03 04:34:23 Doubt it Sep 03 04:34:29 the devs didn't even know about the program until we knew about it Sep 03 04:34:30 Amazon doesn't pay devs anything Sep 03 04:34:35 Oh, really? Sep 03 04:34:39 yep Sep 03 04:34:52 the dev of Camera for Touchpad had no clue Sep 03 04:34:55 yeah im remeber kesne saying that Sep 03 04:35:03 and he got paid for it all (IIRC) Sep 03 04:35:08 but i highly doubt they're paying $15/pop for this one Sep 03 04:36:06 I wouldn't doubt it.., but idk Sep 03 04:37:47 I bet Audebon birds was a HP-sponsored creation anyway, so HP probably gets the whole $15 Sep 03 04:39:28 rwhitby: I am planning to write up a document on how to add additional packages e.g. libXcursor, to the core toolchain, make and stage. Basically it's just a quick document on copying an existing Makefile into the new folder and pointing the Makefile url at the new source, then adding dependencies to the list. This wasn't totally obvious to me at first, but now that it makes sense, things are much easier to compile. Sep 03 04:39:38 audubon has those apps on ios/android too Sep 03 04:40:05 cyclic: please add it to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels or http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK Sep 03 04:40:13 cool Sep 03 04:40:31 rwhitby: have you experienced this issue or know if it's possible to fix in a patch? http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/296641-self-signed-ssl-certificates-bug.html Sep 03 04:40:38 it's killing shellinabox for me Sep 03 04:41:18 for ssh on a touchpad, just install OpenSSH and Xecutah Sep 03 04:41:32 sshing out, need modifier keys Sep 03 04:41:39 shellinabox has an onscreen keyboard Sep 03 04:41:50 ok Sep 03 04:41:57 "trust always" won't stick though :| Sep 03 04:45:05 rwhitby: any idea why this might be throwing an error? It happens when I try to make libxcb: http://pastebin.com/yMV7HYge Sep 03 04:45:48 cyclic: yep, you're trying to destroy your system by overwriting in /usr Sep 03 04:45:58 lol Sep 03 04:46:00 I thought so Sep 03 04:46:19 but you're inside the sb2 shell, so it's ok Sep 03 04:46:27 I am? Sep 03 04:46:41 so you probably just didn't mkdir -p /usr/local/share/... first inside the sb2 shell Sep 03 04:47:05 hrrm Sep 03 04:48:14 ok good I thought it did that... Sep 03 04:48:23 enters into sb2 automagicaly Sep 03 04:48:43 ;) Sep 03 04:51:35 should I call this section libraries? Sep 03 04:51:45 in the Apps and Kernels doc Sep 03 04:54:57 Idea: install dash and set all the users in /etc/passwd to using it? Sep 03 04:57:08 can we install gcc make and kernel headers on touchpad with optware from preware? Sep 03 04:57:12 how do you do that Sep 03 05:01:40 okay, does ipkg-opt need -o option or is there something else to use now? Sep 03 05:01:43 I can install with ipkg Sep 03 05:02:04 yes it needs opt if you installed optware Sep 03 05:02:19 ipkg-opt or ipkg -o /something ? Sep 03 05:02:41 ipkg-opt install Sep 03 05:03:23 and kernel headers for tenderloin? really just need headers for user programs Sep 03 05:03:57 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels Sep 03 05:04:25 thanks Sep 03 05:04:38 yw Sep 03 05:05:32 umm I'm building utilites on device, that doesn't help much Sep 03 05:06:22 anybody here every switch from a sprintified pre2 to another phone, then back to the pre2?? Sep 03 05:08:43 ....does "Make it so..." just change the text of Just Type? Sep 03 05:09:17 rwhitby: same error :( Sep 03 05:09:59 tmzt_: what do you mean by utilities? Sep 03 05:12:04 utilities? Sep 03 05:12:21 I'm building small tests to figure out the touchpanel on touchpad Sep 03 05:12:52 mojo apps? Sep 03 05:13:48 optware is going to be the best way to write your own apps for the device Sep 03 05:13:50 no, c Sep 03 05:14:56 rhcp[linux]: you pressing it? Sep 03 05:15:12 tmzt_, no, you didnt ask Sep 03 05:15:14 :P Sep 03 05:15:17 am now Sep 03 05:15:45 okay, nothing on uart Sep 03 05:36:20 Can anyone help me with a webos doctor meta? Sep 03 05:36:29 Im trying to just get the damn thing to build... Sep 03 05:36:32 Worked fine yesterday Sep 03 05:36:39 gtkansan: what instructions are you following? Sep 03 05:36:53 now it fails on ./scripts/replace-md5sums.py Sep 03 05:36:59 says permission denied Sep 03 05:37:06 what are the file permissions supposed to be? Sep 03 05:37:17 I hate linux and its stupid permission crap Sep 03 05:37:22 gtkansan: please update the wiki page to tell people not to run it on a FAT filesystem Sep 03 05:37:36 huh Sep 03 05:37:57 i think that was humor Sep 03 05:37:58 gtkansan: the wiki page which has the instructions you are following Sep 03 05:38:09 rhcp[linux]: no, it's the most common cause for that error Sep 03 05:38:20 rwatkins, ah :) Sep 03 05:38:22 im running a native dual boot of ubuntu Sep 03 05:38:31 I thought you were being humorous about windows ;) Sep 03 05:38:33 and linux Sep 03 05:38:39 any clue Sep 03 05:38:42 .? Sep 03 05:38:42 gtkansan: again, what instructions are you following? Sep 03 05:38:46 It ran fine last night Sep 03 05:38:48 the wiki instructions Sep 03 05:38:56 try pasting a link? Sep 03 05:38:57 gtkansan: again, what instructions are you following? URL please. Sep 03 05:39:00 i think thats what he wants Sep 03 05:39:03 one sec. Sep 03 05:39:08 gotta find it again Sep 03 05:39:20 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Linux Sep 03 05:39:52 pre2, gsm unlocked, trying to just get my wifi profiles inserted this time as the file I pulled yesterday ended up being zero bytes... Sep 03 05:39:56 gtkansan: ok, which step fails Sep 03 05:40:14 I run : make DEVICE=pre2 CARRIER=wr all Sep 03 05:40:27 it runs for a bit, then says it fails on: Sep 03 05:40:49 /bin/sh: ./scripts/replace-md5sums.py: Permission denied Sep 03 05:40:50 gtkansan: on what disk on your machine is this running, and what type of filesystem is on that disk Sep 03 05:41:00 c drive of my machine Sep 03 05:41:04 only linux is on this disk Sep 03 05:41:13 windows is on a separate drive entirely Sep 03 05:41:22 linux doesn't have a "C" drive, does it? Sep 03 05:41:27 No diea Sep 03 05:41:40 what ever the ubuntu install disk formatted it as I guess Sep 03 05:41:57 I keep it on a separate disk entirely Sep 03 05:42:02 gtkansan: pastebin.com the output of "mount" and "df" please Sep 03 05:42:30 gtkansan: and "ls -l ./scripts" Sep 03 05:44:19 http://pastebin.com/DQ83T0Xp# Sep 03 05:45:08 http://pastebin.com/1yAQ0W6k Sep 03 05:45:51 gtkansan: all your scripts have lost ugo+x Sep 03 05:46:04 How can I fix that? Sep 03 05:46:18 gtkansan: either your git checkout is incorrect, or the disk you are doing this on is not compatible with Linux filesystem semantics Sep 03 05:46:33 gtkansan: what instructions did you follow to set up Linux. URL please. Sep 03 05:46:37 What could have changed overnight? Sep 03 05:46:52 I followed the wiki exactly Sep 03 05:47:00 this is a new disk and ubuntu 11 install Sep 03 05:47:27 I selectively remove drives when I run linux as it always messed up my unix disks Sep 03 05:47:35 so I keep it segregated Sep 03 05:48:56 gtkansan: what instructions did you follow to set up Linux. URL please. Sep 03 05:49:11 you may notice a pattern here ;) Sep 03 05:49:19 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Linux Sep 03 05:49:56 gtkansan: no, that is how to set up Meta-Doctor on Linux. How did you set up Linux. Sep 03 05:50:44 I didnt follow any specific instructions, downloaded ubuntu 11.04 disk, burned it. Connected empty partitionless drive to the sata connector (and disconnected all others) Sep 03 05:50:57 Booted with ubuntu disk and let it run to install Sep 03 05:51:00 nothing special Sep 03 05:51:08 ok, that should work. Sep 03 05:51:17 gtkansan: try this: Sep 03 05:51:30 touch foo ; chmod ugo+x foo ; ls -l foor Sep 03 05:51:34 oops Sep 03 05:51:36 touch foo ; chmod ugo+x foo ; ls -l foo Sep 03 05:51:43 pastebin the output please Sep 03 05:52:50 root@ubuntu:/home/andrew/meta-doctor# touch foo ; chmod ugo+x foo ; ls -l foo Sep 03 05:52:52 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 2011-09-03 01:48 foo Sep 03 05:52:56 THats all I get out Sep 03 05:54:35 whats your umask? Sep 03 05:54:53 gtkansan: remove the meta-doctor directory and start again Sep 03 05:55:20 then pastebin the output from "ls -l ./scripts" and compare with previous Sep 03 06:01:49 i think you first problem is running it as root Sep 03 06:01:50 :P Sep 03 06:01:54 unless metadr needs it Sep 03 06:01:56 to compile Sep 03 06:05:11 it does not Sep 03 06:16:47 http://pastebin.com/7iRhkHkp Sep 03 06:16:55 Restart from the beginning Sep 03 06:17:00 run make and now error 2? Sep 03 06:23:45 gtkansan: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Basic_Linux_Use Sep 03 06:24:41 I would suggest you do things in your home directory, not in / Sep 03 06:25:36 lol Sep 03 06:25:56 I dont understand, wiki says: enter meta-doctor directory to run make Sep 03 06:26:07 Ive made 4-5 doctors before and never had an issue Sep 03 06:31:19 so basically the make file is pointing to /meta-doctor right? Sep 03 06:31:47 instead of a local /home/andrew/meta-doctor Sep 03 06:33:27 Well got it to work Sep 03 06:33:50 moving it out of / Sep 03 06:33:52 did the trick eh Sep 03 06:34:00 May want to add that to the wiki... as its not very clear that it wont be linking to a local file even if you run the make command somewhere else Sep 03 06:34:18 I had to move it OUT of /home/andrew/ and into the base of the file system Sep 03 06:34:42 gtkansan: where would you add that to the wiki? Sep 03 06:35:05 Right at the top... saying 'you must be in such directory to begin this process' Sep 03 06:35:09 gtkansan: you should not be doing anything in / Sep 03 06:35:22 gtkansan: which wiki page. URL please. Sep 03 06:35:42 never mind Sep 03 06:37:06 Just going to doctor back to stock and sell. Reminded me why I left webos before, too much work for too little gain. Modding android is MUCH easier and fewer pitfalls. Sep 03 06:37:40 I can change the entire partitioning system of my gslate in minutes with linux, yet somehow here running something as simple as a doctor prep can require hours Sep 03 06:37:55 gtkansan: ok, ciao. Sep 03 06:37:56 learn linux :) Sep 03 06:38:07 Haha. Sep 03 06:38:54 I wrote my doctoral dissertation compressive fracture modeling of explosion welding in linux man Sep 03 06:38:58 im not a noon. Sep 03 06:39:00 oob Sep 03 06:39:11 gtkansan: BTW, step 4 added to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Linux (you may need to shift-reload to see it) Sep 03 06:40:06 thanks for highlighting the missing step which could cause folks problems Sep 03 07:04:01 mh do you know some how-to-thread for installing a custom kernel on a veer? (warthog for instance - if that matters) Sep 03 07:04:38 Aoi-re: http://bit.ly/phd-ac Sep 03 07:06:56 Aoi-re: then http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Sep 03 07:55:31 nite all Sep 03 08:06:37 c drive lol Sep 03 08:13:00 bye rhcp Sep 03 08:13:04 rhcp[linux], * Sep 03 08:33:52 rwhitby thank you :). I've found it without looking here - but thank you for your help :) - seems to work like a charm. Sep 03 09:43:34 Preware has on my Pre3 a black border at the bottom... has this something to do with the different screensize of the Pre3? Sep 03 09:44:50 yes Sep 03 09:45:01 apps have to be changed to remove it Sep 03 09:45:11 is this an already known issue or do you need any further information/screenshot? Sep 03 09:45:15 I personally like it, cause then notifications don't change the size of the screen :) Sep 03 09:45:21 hehe, ok Sep 03 09:45:33 but yes, it will be fixed eventually Sep 03 09:45:39 on the other hand it's missing the nicely rounded corners at the bottom ;) Sep 03 09:45:41 ok Sep 03 09:45:57 even the new maps application has a completely messed up layout on the Pre3 Sep 03 09:52:57 hm .. do I understand correct? webos is basically linux? sorry if this is a really noobish question Sep 03 09:53:06 Aoi-re: yes, it is Sep 03 09:53:36 Aoi-re: webOS is a Linux Kernel, some GNU userland + a proprietary UI layer on top Sep 03 09:55:18 I see .. hm then .. just thinking .. wouldn't it be possible to have it mount a usb-stick if attached somehow? (the Veer doesn't have a proper USB-port.. but if it has the USBhost interface it might be possible, no?) Sep 03 09:55:43 Aoi-re: yes, it should be possible when using the right cables for it Sep 03 09:55:54 interesting... Sep 03 10:44:34 really impressed with my touchpad, is webOS being abondoned? Sep 03 10:50:34 what official statements from HP have you read? Sep 03 10:52:05 none Sep 03 10:52:29 is there a terminal app? Sep 03 10:53:20 I read there is xterm and xecutah, but cannot find them in preware Sep 03 10:53:37 http://developer.palm.com/blog/ Sep 03 10:53:39 not sure what xecutah is Sep 03 10:54:42 http://test.preware.org/ Sep 03 10:54:47 oops Sep 03 10:54:51 http://testing.preware.org/ Sep 03 10:55:17 xecutah is in the testing feeds. make sure you read the rules first. Sep 03 10:58:35 one more question, I installed the disable ripple effect from preware, but it doesn't seem to disable. any exp with that? Sep 03 11:03:44 restart luna Sep 03 11:07:41 is the touchpad gonna preform poorly if I install xecutah /xterm/xserver? Sep 03 11:07:53 discord: did installation of the patch request you to restart luna? Sep 03 11:08:59 it did and I hit it, will see if a manual restart works. etc is Luna anyhow? Sep 03 11:09:06 wtf Sep 03 11:12:00 how do I manually restart luna? Sep 03 11:13:10 discord: if do not have the advanced power menue just do a reboot Sep 03 11:15:01 i ll search for advanced power menu, since I don't wanna reboot Sep 03 11:17:09 hmm, restart of luna will close your apps anyway afaik Sep 03 11:17:25 hmm, too late? :) Sep 03 11:19:57 Preware has Luna Manager in the app menu Sep 03 11:25:09 thanks all! goodnight! Sep 03 11:45:53 Is there some trick on Pre 2 to change the hardware keyboard layout? Sep 03 11:46:29 I was thinking of maybe remapping some of them to produce ä and ö which are a pain in the ass to write using the symbol selector thing Sep 03 13:03:29 any devs of the Navit/Navit-Maps package around? Sep 03 13:20:02 anybody here ever switch from a sprintified pre2 to another phone, then back to the pre2?? Sep 03 13:21:25 basically... is a comm board swap still necessary to activate the pre2 for the second time?? i'm guessing no, but perhaps yes?? Sep 03 13:35:37 grndslm: I'd guess yes, a comm board swap is required, since the board must be activated on Sprint before it will work in the Pre2, and you can't do the activation FROM the Pre2. But don't quote me on that... Sep 03 13:36:54 well, see... if it's activated once.. and it continues to work.. and it "remains in the system".... why would re-activating it on the SAME line not work? Sep 03 14:33:55 So they way i understand, if you buggered the first activation of the pre 3 (wrong country), the only way to get into the app catalogue is to get a new phone, or to fake the phone ID (IMEI or whatever). Right? Sep 03 14:34:54 The Pre 3 has been such a bittersweet experience so far :( Sep 03 14:37:25 luwangui: that's what Impostah can be used for Sep 03 14:37:52 luwangui: I've imported a Pre3 from France to Germany and it has been a purely sweet experience so far ;) Sep 03 14:38:48 yes, of course you can get on the catalogue in germany, its a release country Sep 03 14:39:05 luwangui: yes, but I think to access it from somewhere else, Impostah could be used Sep 03 14:39:06 i'm just north of you (denmark), and i can only acces a handfull of apps Sep 03 14:39:24 i haven't been able to download any app through impostah Sep 03 14:39:25 luwangui: I've never used Impostah for it so far, but AFAIK it should help here Sep 03 14:39:31 i just get a "app not found" Sep 03 14:39:36 hmm k Sep 03 14:39:43 even though i have the app id Sep 03 14:40:22 i have tried a lot of things, and i'm starting to get pretty desperate :S Sep 03 14:41:18 if i hadn't just bought the touchpad, i'd probably try to get a new pre, just for the app catalogue (impostah'ing it properly on first use of course) Sep 03 14:41:39 alas, being a student, i can't exactly afford that Sep 03 14:42:29 So i make up a bunch of crap to palm support in hopes of getting a new one, or i work on spoofing the phone id to the app store so i can get access Sep 03 16:05:06 any meta-doctor for pre 3 yet? Sep 03 16:06:39 luwangui: check the log - http://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor/ Sep 03 16:07:04 oh nice, thanks Sep 03 16:11:06 I'll have something to do this evening then Sep 03 16:15:54 fun Sep 03 17:31:57 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels updated with libraries Sep 03 17:40:42 cyclic: excellent Sep 03 19:13:16 whens android ready for touchpad? Sep 03 19:13:50 thanks for the help Sep 03 19:14:17 qualcomm: probably be a while. this is a webos hacking channel so android's kind of off topic but there are other channels out there where people are working on that stuff Sep 03 19:14:50 I think there are some issues with getting data from the touchscreen at this point Sep 03 19:27:49 qualcomm don't you have plenty of android tablets with your chipset? :) Sep 03 19:28:47 qualcomm quit right after asking the question, guys :| Sep 03 19:29:13 How much space have you chroot guys allocated to your linux environments? :) Sep 03 19:29:32 what wireless speed is my TP supposed to get? i'm uploading through openssh with only like 200-700 kb/s Sep 03 19:29:35 and how can i prevent files to fail cause the TP goes to sleep mode? i already use DOZE to keep wifi on but apperantly its not enuf? Sep 03 19:30:09 Wireless N, but that depends on your WAP Sep 03 19:30:49 settings > wifi > sleep settings Sep 03 19:30:55 well this isnt nearly as good as N Sep 03 19:31:05 something must be wrong then? Sep 03 19:31:39 ...what WAP do you have? Sep 03 19:31:43 is it running at N? Sep 03 19:31:57 yes Sep 03 19:31:58 Do you have any other devices connected to the WAP, and what speeds are they getting? Sep 03 19:32:04 they get N Sep 03 19:32:31 What speeds? Sep 03 19:32:43 maybe it has to do with wireless copying of files through openssh somehow? Sep 03 19:32:51 maximum N speed Sep 03 19:32:54 ... Sep 03 19:33:03 How good is the signal to your WAP? Sep 03 19:33:41 pad shows maximum number of "bows" Sep 03 19:33:42 You can try this with openSSH: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSH#Speed_up_SSH Sep 03 19:34:02 YeahRight_: how good is the signal? Sep 03 19:34:09 the touchpad is horrible about the "bows" Sep 03 19:34:18 mine show max, but the signal is only a measly -81 dBm Sep 03 19:34:30 If I'm near my WAP, I get about -31 dBm Sep 03 19:34:38 where can i find that? Sep 03 19:34:47 appreciate your help btw ;-) Sep 03 19:35:03 go to settingsd >wifi > click on WAP > top left corner > AP info Sep 03 19:35:04 :-) Sep 03 19:35:37 yeah just found it again..i knew i saw it before;-) Sep 03 19:35:42 -70 dBm Sep 03 19:35:58 I'd try those tips on the arch linux wiki Sep 03 19:36:19 ok will check Sep 03 19:36:20 you have ssh setup, so typing in the text /copy pasting should be fairly easy :-) Sep 03 19:37:00 keep wifi ON has been On btw Sep 03 19:37:17 Perhaps try removing DOZE? Sep 03 19:37:24 I don't now if it works for the touchpad properly Sep 03 19:37:26 and still i get that file transfer fail (besides being slow as well) Sep 03 19:37:29 I don't use it, and I've never had a disconnect Sep 03 19:37:34 yeah well i would have asked that too.. Sep 03 19:37:37 on ssh Sep 03 19:37:41 i think DOZE doesnt work at all.. Sep 03 19:37:45 This is 2.0.3, right? Sep 03 19:37:50 er Sep 03 19:37:52 3.0.2 :) Sep 03 19:37:55 yes Sep 03 19:38:08 I don't use any apps that aren't 3.0+ native Sep 03 19:38:17 well Sep 03 19:38:26 preware doesnt tell that does it? Sep 03 19:38:32 (its all rather new to me) Sep 03 19:38:38 when you install it and it uses a tiny screen, I remove it :) Sep 03 19:38:43 yeah ok.. Sep 03 19:38:45 except for pandora >_> that's the only one Sep 03 19:38:53 pandora? whats that? Sep 03 19:39:11 Internet radio Sep 03 19:39:16 it's on the hp store Sep 03 19:39:19 btw...i discoevered that installing the bourne shell kills the whole ssh setup Sep 03 19:39:24 free? Sep 03 19:39:29 Oh yeah Sep 03 19:39:31 .... Sep 03 19:39:38 bourne again, you mean? Sep 03 19:40:01 you have to edit /etc/shells Sep 03 19:40:07 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Setup_Bash#Preliminaries Sep 03 19:40:13 ah.. Sep 03 19:40:16 >>>>>Super Important: Before you switch your login shell in /etc/passwd, you MUST create /etc/shells and add /opt/bin/bash and /bin/sh to it. If you do not, you will lock yourself out of the Pre on anything but novacom term if you switch your default shell. Sep 03 19:40:29 I personally use dash because it's faster Sep 03 19:40:36 i seê~ Sep 03 19:40:48 good tips ;-) Sep 03 19:41:29 is there a way to use the charger state as trigger in Mode Switcher? I'd like to trigger some actions when the device is charging.... Sep 03 19:45:11 eliasp: it might be under battery level? Sep 03 19:45:26 There should be a Charger mode already, though Sep 03 19:46:11 hmm, i'm on a Pre3... does this make a difference? can't find any battery trigger Sep 03 19:46:33 The developer uses a pre3 Sep 03 19:46:37 I would think that it'd work :-/ Sep 03 19:46:46 here's the thread, you might want to ask: http://forums.precentral.net/enlightened-linux-solutions/279166-app-mode-switcher-2-x-40.html Sep 03 19:47:37 win7: thx, going to ask there Sep 03 19:53:44 Preware touchpad bug: after a search in preware, pressing backspace on the vkeyboard until every letter is deleted exits search mode Sep 03 20:04:34 robobot[0]: i'm not sure it's a bug Sep 03 20:04:47 if it is, i'll fix it, but i don't think that is Sep 03 20:05:00 er, maybe, let me see Sep 03 20:07:01 It is unfortunate Sep 03 20:07:10 but don't think it fits the "bug" category Sep 03 20:07:28 anyone see a problem with hp veer's getting memory critical lately? Sep 03 20:07:29 yeah, it's a bug Sep 03 20:07:32 seems to be re-occuring Sep 03 20:07:37 * chpwn fixes it Sep 03 20:07:44 on a device with a keyboard, that makes perfect sense since you can start searching just as easily by typing again Sep 03 20:08:34 im going to open my touchpad up Sep 03 20:08:56 look for a point of 5v and eventually, wire the sim card slot as a sd reader Sep 03 20:08:59 with the new news. Sep 03 20:09:16 hmm, i'm on a Pre3... Sep 03 20:09:20 i envy you Sep 03 20:09:59 who is the US carrier's that are getting that? or should I just suck it up with 1900GSM? Sep 03 20:10:07 lame question i know Sep 03 20:10:21 zefyx: ah usb host mode with the board from a small usb sd reader? Sep 03 20:10:30 http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=3150 Sep 03 20:10:36 it doesn't know heh Sep 03 20:10:40 zefyx: I'm very lucky... got it after 1 week of digging through stores all over the world... finally imported a French Pre3 to Germany ;) Sep 03 20:11:08 destinal__: ideally, yes Sep 03 20:11:23 i purchased over 10 card readers from dealextreme Sep 03 20:11:27 all for $4 or less Sep 03 20:12:43 I got one from meritline for 69 cents shipped Sep 03 20:17:55 chpwn: awesome, thanks Sep 03 20:18:40 nice eliasp Sep 03 20:18:41 let me know if you find any more bugs like that :p Sep 03 20:18:43 i want a pre2 so bad Sep 03 20:18:46 er, *3 Sep 03 20:18:50 Tibfib: the keyboard also disappears when search mode is exited Sep 03 20:18:51 i want a pre3 too :< Sep 03 20:18:53 looks like im going to have to settle with a veer. Sep 03 20:19:13 chpwn: will do. glad the irc channel is listed in help Sep 03 20:19:17 i'm up in the air though. i remember the app support for the pixi. with them both having the same size screens.. i don't want a neutered app catalog experience. Sep 03 20:19:20 my old Pre- died exactly the week HP announced the "big news" Sep 03 20:20:10 robobot[0]: fixed on touchpad, testing for regressions on pre2 now Sep 03 20:20:14 oh i see what Tibfib_ meant - he was referring to the other devices that do have kb Sep 03 20:20:38 Tibfib_: i made it touchpad specific Sep 03 20:21:30 would there be any negative effects to formating /media/internal as ext4 and then changing fstab accordingly? Sep 03 20:25:55 chpwn: one more - in Manage Feeds, and Preferences, the space around the application menu is transparent where the shadow should be Sep 03 20:26:03 i saw that Sep 03 20:26:06 not sure what cuases that one Sep 03 20:27:07 yeah i guessed as much, since it should be automatic. that whole animation is often glitchy anyway Sep 03 20:28:47 robobot[0]: fix for the first issue will be in the next preware release, hopefully Sep 03 20:46:47 chpwn, hhee Sep 03 20:46:50 you know i never noticed that Sep 03 20:46:51 :) Sep 03 20:46:57 or i dont care much Sep 03 20:46:57 lol Sep 03 20:47:01 huh? Sep 03 20:47:07 the search issue you are talking about Sep 03 20:47:22 ah, i didn't either Sep 03 20:47:25 robobot[0] did :p Sep 03 20:47:25 lol Sep 03 20:47:34 i dont think i cared enough Sep 03 20:47:35 :P Sep 03 20:47:44 should be a simple fix though Sep 03 20:54:31 it is fixed Sep 03 20:54:46 ah Sep 03 20:54:49 figured as much Sep 03 20:54:49 :P Sep 03 20:54:53 1 line fix? Sep 03 20:58:43 hmm i installed 'add launcher tabs' but i dont see them after a reboot. Sep 03 21:01:58 Can meta doctor make ext4 partitions too, or just ext3? Sep 03 21:02:19 ext3 Sep 03 21:02:25 the default kernel only supports ext3 Sep 03 21:02:30 so i assume the dr can only make ext3 Sep 03 21:02:34 My kernel supports ext4 >_> Sep 03 21:02:42 so create your own LVM Sep 03 21:02:46 and mkfsext4 Sep 03 21:03:59 Can I just mount my touchpad and use gparted to format it and then update fstab? Sep 03 21:04:08 partition and format* Sep 03 21:04:15 no Sep 03 21:04:17 i told you how Sep 03 22:08:06 yo Sep 03 22:08:27 hello Sep 03 22:08:32 yoyo: yo Sep 03 22:09:06 :( Sep 04 00:34:02 morning Sep 04 00:35:50 Morning! Sep 04 01:00:38 does habit work on the touch pad hp Sep 04 01:00:44 nav it Sep 04 01:01:11 downloaded it using pre Sep 04 01:01:27 using 3.0.2 Sep 04 02:37:40 who wrote nomnomnom Sep 04 02:54:24 siestacatontp: pretty sure Tibfib_ wrote nomnomnom Sep 04 02:54:35 siestacatontp: but in the future google/etc is your friend :) Sep 04 02:54:44 huh? Sep 04 02:54:52 yeaj Sep 04 02:55:00 someone pirated it again Sep 04 02:59:00 anyone available for a question? Sep 04 02:59:45 djhomeboy: what's up? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 04 02:59:57 2011