**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 04 02:59:57 2011 Sep 04 03:00:03 Hi larry thanks for replying Sep 04 03:00:18 no problem Sep 04 03:00:31 just curious what might be stopping my Touchpad from getting the latest HP Pivot Sep 04 03:00:44 did you upgrade to 3.0.2 yet? Sep 04 03:00:59 yep Sep 04 03:01:23 this actually has nothing to do with webos-internals, but I'll still take a jab at helping you out ;-) Sep 04 03:01:37 haha ok sorry about that Sep 04 03:01:43 do me a favor and open your software manager? Sep 04 03:01:55 done Sep 04 03:02:19 this is the screen where I find out that my wife borrowed my touchpad...because it has an extra dumb game :-\ Sep 04 03:02:34 does it list the app catalog as having an upgrade? Sep 04 03:02:35 haha Sep 04 03:02:42 nope no upgrade Sep 04 03:02:50 501600 Sep 04 03:02:52 have you tried rebooting your TP? Sep 04 03:02:57 yes Sep 04 03:03:12 just did.. I just installed the F4 kernel with Govnaj Sep 04 03:03:16 Govnah Sep 04 03:03:28 and when you open the app catelogue, it shows the August pivot? Sep 04 03:03:39 shows july Sep 04 03:03:44 sorry...HP is American...It's App Catalog Sep 04 03:04:00 july? Sep 04 03:04:04 yep Sep 04 03:04:13 how long have you had your TP? Sep 04 03:04:29 I got it the day it went crazy at best buy Sep 04 03:04:37 during August? Sep 04 03:04:40 heres the catch.. it might help you to know this Sep 04 03:04:56 I purchased a demo unit (was lead to believe it was not a demo) Sep 04 03:04:57 there's a app catalog update Sep 04 03:05:20 ah...so you used impostah? Sep 04 03:05:24 yes Sep 04 03:05:44 I'm not as familiar with the nuances with the demo unit Sep 04 03:05:47 didn't HP come out with an unlocker tool or something? I never looked much into it, but I had seen mention of something like that a few times Sep 04 03:05:58 link? Sep 04 03:06:11 I mean mine works well.. just had to use impostah to make an account Sep 04 03:07:58 I can't come up with any reason it wouldn't update beyond it being a demo unit Sep 04 03:08:20 Something to do with HP locking the devices down on the cloud side of things Sep 04 03:08:21 djhomeboy, call HP Support Sep 04 03:08:45 been there already.. they want my unit back Sep 04 03:08:56 will they replace it? Sep 04 03:08:59 Im afraid I will never see it again.. everything works Sep 04 03:09:19 just have outdated Pivot lol Sep 04 03:11:28 djhomeboy, tell them you will send it when a replacement is in the mail and you have a tracking # Sep 04 03:11:52 Hm, yeah here we go. Sep 04 03:12:01 djhomeboy: ask for a replacement and an RMA box Sep 04 03:12:05 It says "As of 1425 CDT on 22-Aug 2011 it appears HP has unlocked the DEMO units" Sep 04 03:12:25 So apparently doing a fresh doctor will allow you to log in to an account via the normal means without needing to use Impostah Sep 04 03:12:36 nope Sep 04 03:12:46 need impostah 0912 Sep 04 03:13:07 like I said.. its working.. just wondered why my pivot was out of date is all Sep 04 03:13:23 when did you try doctoring it? after the 22nd? Sep 04 03:13:31 yes Sep 04 03:13:43 I am the poster on like the 5 page vdjhomeboy Sep 04 03:14:15 I orginally found the hole to get by with the help of Jack87 and rwhitby Sep 04 03:14:35 then they patched it.. then they unlocked a bunch more Sep 04 03:14:48 when I talked to a guy from HP he said they were asking for the units back Sep 04 03:15:03 ah, sorry! :C Sep 04 03:15:05 djhomeboy: what happened after all Sep 04 03:15:07 tell them send me a TP and RMA box and you will get this one Sep 04 03:15:16 its working again Jack Sep 04 03:15:40 used latest impostah Sep 04 03:15:42 djhomeboy: did you have to do anything special or did it just start working? Sep 04 03:15:48 gotcha Sep 04 03:16:04 I wish someone could write a tool to permanently change the product sku Sep 04 03:16:18 if I have to wipe this bad boy I will have to create another account Sep 04 03:16:20 djhomeboy: it's probably just stored in tokens Sep 04 03:16:44 ya well im not that savvy thats why I had jack helping me Sep 04 03:17:14 Jack everything is good.. I just wondered why I wasnt receiving the new pivot Sep 04 03:18:02 can anyone confirm the latest version of the HP catalog? Sep 04 03:18:21 i did Sep 04 03:18:23 it's the same as yours Sep 04 03:18:29 ah ok thanks larry Sep 04 03:19:33 if I dont have the latest pivot is it possible I am not seeing new apps? Sep 04 03:21:31 djhomeboy, it might take a day or two for pivot to update. its weird Sep 04 03:21:46 ya but I have july! lol Sep 04 03:21:51 djhomeboy, but my concern is everytime you reset your touch pad you need to make a new account/ Sep 04 03:21:52 ? Sep 04 03:22:15 I have pivot from july Sep 04 03:22:19 not august Sep 04 03:22:32 ya I dont want to reset everytime Sep 04 03:24:05 djhomeboy, have you tried logging into catalog with impostah instead of making a new account? Sep 04 03:24:32 I was just thinking that Sep 04 03:24:56 what do u mean? Sep 04 03:25:17 djhomeboy, you can login catalog with impostah just the same as you can make an new account Sep 04 03:25:31 tell me what to do as I dont follow Sep 04 03:25:32 lol Sep 04 03:25:41 you know how you say yo bypass activation then you use impostah then reboot and login through the normal login screen right? Sep 04 03:25:58 why not use impostah to login rather then make new account and then reboot Sep 04 03:26:39 PM Sep 04 03:27:42 djhomeboy, nah i think this is better fit for public incase it might come in handy for others Sep 04 03:27:50 ok Sep 04 03:27:53 inside impostah where you create new profile Sep 04 03:27:58 ok Sep 04 03:27:59 there is also a login to profile button Sep 04 03:28:13 Activation? Sep 04 03:28:42 so instead of creating new one. what happens when you try to use impostah for logging into your already existing account Sep 04 03:29:01 yup in Activation Sep 04 03:29:08 the current one.. I logged in Sep 04 03:29:20 nothing on my device is store use dr skipped anymore Sep 04 03:30:06 go to HP catalog.. July Sep 04 03:30:09 djhomeboy, sorry maybe you should start from the begging explaining the procedure you took after doctoring Sep 04 03:30:25 I used the bypass tool Sep 04 03:30:32 installed preware Sep 04 03:30:37 installed impostah Sep 04 03:30:43 created a palm profile Sep 04 03:30:46 bam here I am Sep 04 03:31:27 after you create a palm profile in impostah you are set and catalog works Sep 04 03:31:27 ? Sep 04 03:31:44 yes all good.. just seeing July edition of Pivot Sep 04 03:32:13 ok cool Sep 04 03:32:22 the july edition just installs with the catalog Sep 04 03:32:34 your device just hasnt downloaded the newest edition it will take time Sep 04 03:33:03 but I have had July and never even got august Sep 04 03:33:16 anyway for future. maybe inside the impostah activation section try logging into an existing account rather then making a new one Sep 04 03:33:52 djhomeboy, i am pretty sure july installs with the update of the catalog and your device will eventually get the new month Sep 04 03:34:12 Jack87: are the demo units hardcoded as demo units? Sep 04 03:34:17 ok lol.. maybe its an impostah thing Sep 04 03:34:25 they have a diff prod sku Sep 04 03:34:38 they can be fixed by HP.. so we should find a way to fix em Sep 04 03:34:39 sku has nothing to do with it Sep 04 03:34:45 LarrySteeze, he had a few different tokens then mine and rwhitby's Sep 04 03:35:07 serial being one of course and then the other one was... (i cant remember) Sep 04 03:35:08 but I'm thinking if you destroy the partition and then redoctor, it may force it to reset itself Sep 04 03:35:11 it does Larry.. all the people that have them working now.. including me.. change the prod sku Sep 04 03:35:38 the prod sku is black listed in the cloud Sep 04 03:35:45 djhomeboy, FYI one of my touchpad's has august pivot the other has September Sep 04 03:36:03 haha.. ok well.. Im not ready to dr just yet Sep 04 03:36:08 LarrySteeze, thats what it was.. the sku token was different then ours Sep 04 03:36:09 love this thing Sep 04 03:36:21 27 changed to 72 Sep 04 03:36:32 Jack87: now that you mention it, my wife's TP doesn't have pivot Sep 04 03:36:55 haha oh well thought I would ask Sep 04 03:36:57 LarrySteeze, her's might be older version of catalog? Sep 04 03:37:10 thanks guys Sep 04 03:37:38 nope Sep 04 03:37:51 it "has" pivot Sep 04 03:37:51 hey LarrySteeze. How's the touchpad hunt going? Sep 04 03:37:54 it just never updates it Sep 04 03:38:07 It is entirely possible the servers are being hit hard enough to not let some update pivot Sep 04 03:38:19 SineOt: always on the lookout Sep 04 03:38:24 I doubt it, but who knows nowadays Sep 04 03:38:27 kind of blew my mind that prices on eBay and Craigslist are actually going -up- instead of downward Sep 04 03:38:44 why Sep 04 03:38:48 its getting harder to find Sep 04 03:39:32 SineOt: besides things sell on value rather than initial selling price, and clearly touchpad's value is way over $99 Sep 04 03:40:12 destinal__: yeah, but it's starting to inch closer and closer towards being the original non-fire sale pricing Sep 04 03:41:10 SineOt: is it above $250? I always guessed $250 is probably where it would stabilize Sep 04 03:41:17 or maybe $300 Sep 04 03:41:39 yeah, I've been seeing some 16GBs pushing towards 300 and 32s closer to like 370 sometimes Sep 04 03:42:15 the funny thing is the more of these reach people the more people learn about them the more the value goes up especially with no more supply coming Sep 04 03:42:39 people didn't know what webos was or how good a product touchpad was before Sep 04 03:44:21 yup Sep 04 03:48:53 trying to figure out how to patch touchpad browser - what does "extract the roms from webosdoctor" mean? downloaded webosdoctor, don't know what is "roms" referred to Sep 04 04:34:11 hey! I've came across a gameboy and gameboy advance emulator called visualboy advance for webos.. I've read up in the wiki, but I just can't find it .. neither in the app catalog, nor in preware :x .. is it possible that it doesn't work for the Veer? Sep 04 04:56:04 how do you manually edit tokens? Sep 04 05:01:13 Aoi-re: nope, doesn't work on veer yet, sorry! :) Sep 04 05:01:41 but good news is veer is my main device atm so it'll probably work on it soonish :) Sep 04 05:12:11 ahh dtzWill - thank you very much Sep 04 05:12:23 and please ignore the almost same question in the precentral-thread Sep 04 05:12:32 I had no idea you're in here too :D Sep 04 05:25:17 np :) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 04 07:05:54 2011 Sep 04 08:02:23 So, is it a reasonable thing to want to launch the ubuntu chroot directly into lxde as the webos user? Sep 04 08:02:52 I'm trying to figure a way to hide the onboard keyboard and still be able to use the chroot and that's the only good way I can come up with Sep 04 08:03:19 Or, I mean, to hide the webos keyboard and use onboard only Sep 04 08:29:28 Anyone know where the config files for Xecutah live? Maybe I can play with the launch commands to get what I'm after? Sep 04 09:41:42 FYI I updated the page about the demo units... and how to get them to work... its a token issue mostly from ProductSKU... i pretty much said what needs to be done. if anyone has a great way up changing tokens please put in your 2 cents. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_webOS_Activating_Touchpad_Demo_Unit#Permanently_Solution Sep 04 09:44:32 Jack87 small quibble, should be "Permanent Solution" not "Permanently" Sep 04 09:44:46 hehe Sep 04 09:46:25 but ya. not in the mood to write an entire tutorial just yet want to figure out the best solution for editing tokens first Sep 04 10:19:27 morning! Sep 04 10:34:27 yay, just doctored my pre3 for the first time... let's see if some of the bugs are gone Sep 04 12:15:42 Is http://patches.webos-internals.org/ down? Sep 04 12:29:35 Havvoric, looks like php has died Sep 04 12:30:48 That was my take on it, too. Thanks, I'll check again in a couple of days. Sep 04 12:32:48 looks like someone broke the config, it should never return the php code Sep 04 12:33:00 correct Sep 04 12:36:56 let us hope the mysql server has more protections than a password Sep 04 12:38:29 yes Sep 04 12:38:37 I would hope it uses localhost only Sep 04 12:38:43 or is on an internal network Sep 04 12:38:57 I won't check, but I damn well hope it is :) Sep 04 12:41:58 well, if there is a public phpmyadmin interface for it ... Sep 04 12:42:48 yeah, I hope not Sep 04 12:48:59 did i mention one shouldn't make php files that contain passwords readable to the webserver?.. Sep 04 12:50:29 rwhitby-pre (or other admins): you might want to fix your webserver and change some passwords Sep 04 12:55:30 stbuehler, I sent him a /msg Sep 04 12:55:42 yes, you might also want to htaccess off the includes and config ones Sep 04 12:55:55 and detect death of PHP, and kill apache, or sometihng along those lines Sep 04 13:21:44 i'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with dieing php. htaccess is not really helping, as a broken (or tuned for performance) webserver config won't use them Sep 04 13:22:27 if php isn't working most (sane) webserver will return 503 or 500, not fall back to static files Sep 04 13:26:23 yes Sep 04 13:26:46 a good point, it should be set up to never return the content of a dynamic file Sep 04 14:55:23 hmm Sep 04 14:56:51 the touchpad deactivates wifi on inactivity? Sep 04 15:01:29 does it? there are sleep setting in the wifi preferences application menu Sep 04 15:01:40 but default is to always keep wifi on Sep 04 15:03:12 help Sep 04 15:05:21 hmm Sep 04 15:08:12 okay, found it. thx Sep 04 15:12:10 my touchpad lost less than 19 percenf accu at night with no activity, is this possible? Sep 04 15:12:30 or was it too early? ;) Sep 04 15:12:44 7 hours i think Sep 04 15:12:58 eh less than 10 percent Sep 04 15:42:39 sup. I don't see a Bluetooth audio increase patch for the touchpad but it definitely needs one. anyone know the manual procedure Sep 04 15:42:42 ? Sep 04 15:49:40 hello Sep 04 15:50:03 anyone here? Sep 04 15:50:28 who's askin? Sep 04 15:51:07 I have question about uberkernel and govnah.... Sep 04 15:52:31 I only get one profile, palm default, and can not over clock CPU. Any ideas? Sep 04 15:55:44 goto church Sep 04 15:56:31 huh? Sep 04 15:57:30 i think there are two profiles by default Sep 04 15:58:24 john__: there's 'Palm Default' and 'OnDemandTcl1512' Sep 04 15:58:55 the 1512 one gives you the 1.5GHz overclock Sep 04 15:59:09 ok, I try it, thx Sep 04 15:59:28 quit Sep 04 15:59:41 exit Sep 04 15:59:53 how get out of this Sep 04 16:00:11 part Sep 04 16:00:18 "/part" Sep 04 16:00:23 "/quit" Sep 04 16:07:16 its obvious god hates you, so i recommend going to church Sep 04 16:21:34 if god hates him shouldn't he be staying away from churches? Sep 04 16:31:39 thats why god hates him Sep 04 16:36:30 ok so it appears that the volume package for touchpad just issues `amixer set 'AIF1 Boost' 1` Sep 04 16:37:19 all of the available amixer things to tweak are listed here: http://pastebin.falz.net/142 Sep 04 16:37:53 bt_sco_rx and bt_sco_tx exist but I would think they're for headset audio since they're mono Sep 04 16:38:30 one can issue things like `amixer set 'bt_sco_tx',5 3` to tweak it. anyone have any idea which of these would relate to bluetooth a2dp stereo audio Sep 04 17:56:18 Hello, I'm having troubles building packages with cross-compile, is there someone who could help? Sep 04 18:00:01 yazgoo, describe your issue and any someone awake knows, they might respond Sep 04 18:01:24 thanks jacques. Sep 04 18:01:27 make -C packages/dev-sdl/libsdl ARCH=armv7 stage Sep 04 18:01:51 and I get: "ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory" Sep 04 18:03:01 although gcc can compile in scratchbox2. Sep 04 18:03:02 yazgoo, what distro/version are you using? Sep 04 18:06:09 gentoo (on an openvz kernel). Sep 04 18:06:46 Gentoo Base System release 2.0.2 Sep 04 18:07:24 ah, OK Sep 04 18:08:41 there's a reason we recommend specific distro/versions; it can be quite tricky to get WIDK going on some configurations Sep 04 18:09:09 maybe someone else here has it working on gentoo :-\ Sep 04 18:14:33 Ok, if not I'll try in an ubuntu VM :). Sep 04 19:33:58 hey guys Sep 04 20:00:38 Happy Saturday everyone! Sep 04 20:00:52 Oh shit. it's sunday.. .damn that was a good Friday night Sep 04 20:05:50 rwhitby-pre: Hi, what is the shedule for the rbuild os the testing feed? I'm wating for a new navit package that was pushed 1.50 ago Sep 04 20:06:18 cant you pull it? and build? Sep 04 20:07:02 yes could do, but normaly I wait for the feed to test it the same way as the users will get it Sep 04 20:36:05 sup guys Sep 04 20:45:31 Hi Sep 04 20:46:01 Hello?? Sep 04 20:46:30 I need help... Sep 04 20:46:55 Hello? Sep 04 20:47:59 you should ask your question .. Sep 04 20:48:07 it much better than getting people's attention first :) Sep 04 20:59:38 Hello again, while "make -C dev-sdl/libsdl ARCH=armv7 stage" I have the following error: Sep 04 20:59:48 configure:40002: checking for pthread_create/pthread_join in -lpthread Sep 04 20:59:54 ./configure: line 40087: 24522 Segmentation fault ./conftest$ac_exeext Sep 04 21:00:00 anyone played with the skype ipk in the wr folder in the pre3 doctor yet? Sep 04 21:01:21 No, but I had skype installed on my Sprint Pre- doctored to 2.1, and got it to connect ONCE. Sep 04 21:01:38 oh yea, I should fiddle with the new skype stuff Sep 04 21:01:45 ( under ubuntu natty, in /srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/common/glib-2.0 ) Sep 04 21:01:49 I played with the sprint one some time ago Sep 04 21:02:20 presumably since it's in a world ready device there's no carrier restrictions on it Sep 04 21:02:20 I ended up traveling to an area I knew was basically only Verizon Service, forced Roaming, and restarted, and was able to authenticate. Sep 04 21:03:10 destinal: we all presumed that webOS would find a stable home with HP. Sep 04 21:05:52 Kaerey: ah well, guess not so much, current strategy seems to be to flail about madly :) Sep 04 21:07:10 Does anyone know if there is anyone working on adding the MAP service to the Pre 2 so SMS can go through the TP? Sep 04 21:14:00 Hello everyone. Sep 04 21:14:59 anyone home? Sep 04 21:23:07 Hello everyone! Sep 04 21:23:20 HI Sep 04 21:23:51 Anyone know if there is a patch in progress to add MAP to the Pre 2 Bluetooth stack? Sep 04 21:25:24 if it isn't there, it will be difficult - the bluetooth stack is closed up and palm proprietary Sep 04 21:27:09 that sucks Sep 04 21:27:35 sorry Sep 04 21:28:04 I was hoping they didn't have that locked down. Sep 04 21:28:24 there's something from 2009 on the wiki attempting to replace it with Bluez but it doesn't appear to have any progress Sep 04 21:29:01 Sanglant if you are interested in a project there's a community driven project at http://code.google.com/p/btstack/ Sep 04 21:31:10 that doesn't have anything to do with webOS though Sep 04 21:32:42 falz: it could be ported to webos Sep 04 21:32:47 sure Sep 04 21:32:54 as could Bluez as someone tried two years ago Sep 04 21:33:10 btstack would be way easier to start with Sep 04 21:33:25 I'd love it if anyone had the motivation and time for it since I've spent the last several hours trying to adjust a2dp volume without success Sep 04 21:36:09 I wish I had the knowledge to do it. Sep 04 21:36:20 yo Sep 04 21:36:28 anyone know why my calendar info isn't syncing? Sep 04 21:38:26 i connect wireless to my 32GB touchpad..how come it only shows 512 MB space? Sep 04 21:39:49 'connect wireless', what does that mean? Sep 04 21:42:22 through openssh Sep 04 21:42:38 and expandrive at my windows box Sep 04 21:42:50 so i can browse the HP filesystem Sep 04 21:42:53 TP Sep 04 21:43:12 but it only shows 512 MB total space Sep 04 21:53:12 so i was going to ask this before. any true webos devs around? Sep 04 21:53:21 I wanted to know if its possible to have a TRUE terminal Sep 04 21:53:24 rather then a X one Sep 04 21:53:55 stupid question: i just ran the emulator for 3.0.2.652 on linux. i clicked an app... how do i go back to the main screen? (i.e. i do i emulate bottom edge upward swipe) Sep 04 21:53:55 use novaterm Sep 04 21:53:59 rhcp Sep 04 21:54:24 nebula, I know. im just wondering if you can have one on the gui Sep 04 21:54:33 like on android we have term emulator Sep 04 21:54:46 there are emulators for the pre, as of yet i don't think so on the tp Sep 04 21:54:54 do they require X? Sep 04 21:54:57 rhcp[linux]: sure - all sorts of ways .. you can go the hybrid route with a C backend that opens the terminal, and you do a javascript emulator Sep 04 21:55:04 the one on touchpad. requires X Sep 04 21:55:05 or you can do a node backend .. Sep 04 21:55:06 ^ Sep 04 21:55:10 if you can figure out how to get it out of the jail Sep 04 21:55:26 or you can make it a native app itself .. if you can figure out how to get it out of the jail Sep 04 21:55:29 bpadalino, is that why the term you guys have is in X? Sep 04 21:55:51 rhcp[linux]: it makes it easier i bet, sure Sep 04 21:55:53 sorry im new to this 100% Sep 04 21:55:59 just trying to think out loud Sep 04 21:56:02 we used to have a terminal called terminal which was an npapi plugin Sep 04 21:56:03 i like webos :) Sep 04 21:56:17 but it's fallen to bit rot Sep 04 21:56:28 hmmm javascript emu. yuck Sep 04 21:56:38 there are some that are already written Sep 04 21:56:43 i bet Sep 04 21:56:47 i dont like JS :) Sep 04 21:56:49 it would also allow for easy pinch zooming Sep 04 21:56:53 id have to go C Sep 04 21:56:57 and copy/past would be MUCH easier with a js front end Sep 04 21:57:09 touch to open URL's .. that sort of thing .. Sep 04 21:57:16 hmm Sep 04 21:57:20 can you point me to know? Sep 04 21:57:21 err Sep 04 21:57:22 to one Sep 04 21:57:34 would be interested to see it Sep 04 21:58:01 http://code.google.com/p/shellinabox/ - is one Sep 04 21:58:06 lets see Sep 04 21:58:07 thanks Sep 04 21:58:11 ok well the answer is 'end' key Sep 04 21:58:36 oh Sep 04 21:58:52 again this a webserver kind of deal Sep 04 21:58:52 :/ Sep 04 21:58:57 rhcp[linux]: rwhitby i believe looked at shell in a box Sep 04 21:59:09 im looking for something more native Sep 04 21:59:16 not having to run deamons Sep 04 21:59:41 no one has broken the jail before? Sep 04 21:59:57 this was the original terminal: http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/terminal/ Sep 04 22:00:20 preware runs in a broken jail Sep 04 22:00:44 well, yea, jails are meant to broke out of Sep 04 22:00:46 thats why i asked Sep 04 22:01:06 rhcp[linux]: you can get native GUI stuff in native code (usually written in C or whatever) with NPAPI plugins (the way we originally did it) or more recently with SDL programs (such as Terminus does) or you could make a hybrid that has a javascript / dom based front end and native back end writen in C etc Sep 04 22:01:33 destinal, You've used term emu on android? Sep 04 22:01:34 rhcp[linux]: and lots of stuff we've done that's installed through preware is outside jail Sep 04 22:02:21 i assume you have. since you had/have a nook Sep 04 22:02:24 rhcp[linux]: err yes, why? Sep 04 22:02:33 well, thats the kind of thing i want on webos :) Sep 04 22:02:37 same concept Sep 04 22:02:45 notice how simplistic it is? Sep 04 22:02:47 and how it works? Sep 04 22:03:28 i just want to know has it been done. is it possible etc Sep 04 22:03:29 rhcp[linux]: yeah I think you'd like the app "terminal", I've been considering ressurrecting it due to recent interest Sep 04 22:03:48 destinal, does it run in X? or have any deamon behind it? Sep 04 22:03:56 rhcp[linux]: no and no Sep 04 22:04:01 then i may like it Sep 04 22:04:05 does it run on tp? by chance? Sep 04 22:04:13 even if i need to build it myself Sep 04 22:04:14 to test Sep 04 22:04:32 i don't know if anyone has tried running it in 3.0 Sep 04 22:04:34 rhcp[linux]: no, it stopped working due to a change introduced in webos 2.x that broke our use of NPAPI Sep 04 22:04:47 hmmm Sep 04 22:04:52 so with some code mods Sep 04 22:04:58 its possible to get it back up? Sep 04 22:05:02 it may not be that hard to fix though, at the time I thought it was going to be obsoleted by other apps that were being developed so I hadn't done much with it since Sep 04 22:05:16 yea well its not :) Sep 04 22:05:24 you know me. the more simple the better Sep 04 22:05:35 running X + xterm = not acceptable to me Sep 04 22:05:46 running a webserver to get access to term == same Sep 04 22:05:46 :) Sep 04 22:06:00 rhcp[linux]: yeah, I suppose I can start debugging it running on 2.x and 3.xc since there's obvious interest Sep 04 22:06:09 i can help Sep 04 22:06:11 if you want Sep 04 22:06:49 i want to learn webos apps :) so it would be a good start to start with you Sep 04 22:06:52 if you wouldnt mind Sep 04 22:07:27 rhcp[linux]: so terminal as a massively non-standard webos app :) it's like the only app in existing that relies on an NPAPI plugin (think like netscape / firefox plugins) Sep 04 22:07:33 go figure. i go from exploiting *nix -> programming nix* apps -> exploiting android -> writing java -> now to webos lol Sep 04 22:08:16 rhcp[linux]: basically it's an app in the mojo framework (was designed pre-enyo) that embeds a plugin that is a .so library Sep 04 22:08:18 i need to read about NPAPI im not too sure what it is tbh Sep 04 22:08:38 the library gets loaded by Luna and becomes part of Luna's process space Sep 04 22:08:42 it's the netscape plugin API ... Sep 04 22:08:58 destinal, I assume thats how you escape jail Sep 04 22:09:06 since it becomes luna's process space Sep 04 22:09:24 rhcp[linux]: actually it was once the only way to do graphics code in native binary Sep 04 22:09:34 before SDL support came out for webos Sep 04 22:09:40 i see. Sep 04 22:09:48 but, you use it also to escape the jail eh? Sep 04 22:09:53 wow this emulator based on virtualbox is amazing for development... much better than android emulator Sep 04 22:10:05 yeah it has that effect too since the plugin is itself outside the jail Sep 04 22:10:12 gotcha Sep 04 22:10:20 but there are easier ways to get SDL and other binary stuff outside jail too :) Sep 04 22:10:34 I can prob find ways to break the jail :P Sep 04 22:10:46 i think i have some webos exploits laying around Sep 04 22:10:47 lol Sep 04 22:10:57 rhcp[linux]: why do android folks not understand that you don't have to Sep 04 22:11:04 well i do know :) Sep 04 22:11:08 just saying Sep 04 22:11:19 people without dev mode on. you KINDA need to exploit them Sep 04 22:11:19 :P Sep 04 22:11:28 ahhh yeah without dev mode Sep 04 22:11:31 :) Sep 04 22:11:33 that would be a challenge Sep 04 22:11:38 its not really Sep 04 22:11:39 :P Sep 04 22:11:51 I wouldn't be surprised if there were vulnerabilities in webkit etc Sep 04 22:11:54 anyhow.. Sep 04 22:11:57 haha it is ;) Sep 04 22:12:02 its not patched Sep 04 22:12:12 lol awesome Sep 04 22:12:37 arm is fun. you can do alot Sep 04 22:12:44 that you cant on x86 Sep 04 22:12:53 exploitation wise Sep 04 22:13:15 we don't generally talk about "exploits"... Sep 04 22:13:25 i mean in a sense of breaking jail Sep 04 22:13:27 not owning you :P Sep 04 22:14:19 but destinal has a point. with dev on + the use of plugins. to get outside Sep 04 22:14:23 no need to worry about that Sep 04 22:14:24 hmmz Sep 04 22:15:25 destinal, if you dont mind. and got that terminal app in git msg me it Sep 04 22:15:28 would love to check it out Sep 04 22:15:35 rhcp[linux]: heh yeah with devmode on you can put anything anywhere and configure apps to be unjailed etc so no worries there Sep 04 22:15:38 from a learning prospetive Sep 04 22:17:24 rhcp[linux]: that terminal app is the one i linked to beforehand Sep 04 22:17:50 bpadalino, lol sec Sep 04 22:18:03 ah Sep 04 22:18:05 i missed it Sep 04 22:19:50 bpadalino, thanks i will clone it and take a look later need to get wife Sep 04 22:19:52 before she shoots me Sep 04 22:19:53 :P Sep 04 22:19:57 enjoy Sep 04 22:19:59 good luck Sep 04 22:19:59 she works while i hack Sep 04 22:20:00 :P Sep 04 22:20:05 kinda weird way Sep 04 22:20:06 hehe Sep 04 22:20:18 had apendix surgry so cant do much Sep 04 22:29:49 now i don't know how foolproof you want the guide for running meta-doctor on the wiki to be.. Sep 04 22:30:10 but the make file seems to expect a different file name for the pre 3 doctor than the script does Sep 04 22:30:52 sorry, that didn't make sense Sep 04 22:31:26 the make script expects a different file name than the file of the doctor for the pre 3 Sep 04 22:36:33 oh dear, the chip flashing logo is all off to the side Sep 04 22:38:28 luwangui: details of the mismatch please? Sep 04 22:52:21 one sec Sep 04 22:54:10 downloaded doctor (linked on the wiki) is named: webosdoctorp220mantawr.jar Sep 04 22:54:36 metadoctor is expecting webosdoctorp220manta-wr-2.2.0.jar Sep 04 23:02:45 wifi prefs db doesn't seem to work either :/ not for me in the firstuse app anyway Sep 04 23:06:37 hello Sep 04 23:14:57 ohohohohoh Sep 04 23:15:01 webos Sep 04 23:15:19 can ya port andriod over to the hp Sep 04 23:17:12 wrong irc channel :) Sep 04 23:17:20 what hows that Sep 04 23:17:45 because this is for webos :) Sep 04 23:17:53 however, i saw this today :o http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/03/team-touchdroid-dual-boots-android-on-touchpad-touchscreen-no/ Sep 04 23:20:31 yeah, wifi db does't seem to work at all on metadoctor for the pre 3 Sep 04 23:21:59 neither dev mode, and firstuse app showing, hmm Sep 04 23:23:13 hi rwhitby good evening/morning :) Sep 04 23:37:54 Hey everyone! Sep 04 23:40:00 lol Sep 04 23:40:07 every time Sep 04 23:40:14 hi Sep 04 23:40:46 anyone ever heard about novacomd service not rnning on windows ? Sep 04 23:41:02 I can't find a way to start Sep 04 23:41:03 it Sep 04 23:41:19 hmm reinstall? Sep 04 23:41:56 tried that Sep 04 23:42:02 uninstalling/reinstalling the sdk Sep 04 23:42:04 won't do it Sep 04 23:42:48 I tried running it by hand from the command line but it just displays the usage, without any error Sep 04 23:43:13 i can't say i've seen that before Sep 04 23:43:29 but isn't novacom seperate from the sdk? Sep 04 23:44:01 well, I have no idea, but on windows it's been installed when installing the sdk Sep 04 23:44:11 but the service cannot start.. Sep 04 23:45:16 check the logs as to why it doesn't start? Sep 04 23:48:01 NuttyBunny, ilu btw Sep 04 23:49:43 luwangui: yes, you have to rename the doctor when you download it. the error message even tells you this Sep 04 23:51:08 yeah, i did that, no prob Sep 04 23:51:10 huh? Why is that RobbieJ ? Sep 04 23:51:11 luwangui: but I've now even written that you have to rename it as well as move it. Sep 04 23:51:24 (in the error message in the latest version) Sep 04 23:51:33 ok :) i was just trying to help Sep 04 23:51:38 luwangui: please update the wiki page where you would expect to see that hint. let me know when you've done it. Sep 04 23:52:09 NuttyPad. I've tried writing my own but I'm stumbling through the api Sep 04 23:52:31 the thing is there doesn't seem to be anything in the log Sep 04 23:52:43 and when trying to run it by hand I don't have any error either Sep 04 23:53:00 it just silently exists, displaying the app command line's usage Sep 04 23:54:54 rwhitby: oh yes i see the hint now :) i just thought it was a mistype in the script or something, since it was only missing a few dashes Sep 04 23:55:27 luwangui: please still update the wiki page where you would expect to see that hint, so that others don't miss it too. Sep 04 23:56:08 ok sure Sep 04 23:57:10 hmm i can't seem to get wifi to work at all under first-use.. just tried copying the AP db manually with quick install, didn't work either.. btw dev mode works fine in metadoctor, that was my bad :) Sep 04 23:59:48 RobbieJ: are you on the beta team? Sep 04 23:59:59 Unfortunately not Sep 05 00:09:49 rwhitby: done and done :p Sep 05 00:15:27 still no luck getting into any of my palm accounts from the first-use app :/ Sep 05 00:15:32 even freshly created ones Sep 05 00:25:50 hi folks Sep 05 00:25:55 hi Sep 05 00:27:15 would anyone be able to help me with a novacom problem? I'm on WinXP, 32 bit, and trying to run webos doctor to fix a new Touchpad that I broke... but i keep getting "Error 1053" on the novacom service starting Sep 05 00:27:30 i RTFM'\ed a lot but am unsure what I can do now.. and HP Support is useless. Sep 05 00:27:59 try a different computer? Sep 05 00:28:17 i don't have one. Sep 05 00:28:56 but a good idea.. :( Sep 05 00:29:08 hrm Sep 05 00:29:09 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/839174 Sep 05 00:29:24 dunno if that's relevant to 3rd party windows services, or whether novacom even uses .net Sep 05 00:29:39 i saw that, tried it, no effect. Sep 05 00:30:18 not sure why loading an OS needs a windows service whatsoever, but I guess that's HP for ya. Sep 05 00:30:22 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/189497-post-os1-04-pinging-collective-new-install-method-17.html#post1761168 Sep 05 00:31:13 dunno what that's about Sep 05 00:31:35 try uninstalling the palm/novacom stuff, rebooting, and trying again? Sep 05 00:32:01 also, check the windows event viewer... myabe more details there Sep 05 00:32:24 tried all that, dwc, but thanks for suggesting the windows event viewer. Sep 05 00:32:42 "winusb.dll was missing" is kinda silly in that it's in windows\System32 Sep 05 00:32:46 I believe Palm/HP is using the daemon/service model in order to get access to the device from java Sep 05 00:32:51 but i've copied it all over the place now >:) Sep 05 00:33:08 without having to deal with JNI, etc. all over the place Sep 05 00:33:16 that would be my guess anyways Sep 05 00:34:38 usually the event viewer has at least some slightly more useful info on service failures Sep 05 00:34:47 (even if it's mostly useless) Sep 05 00:35:47 It says that "Timeout (30000 milliseconds) occurred when trying to start service" even though it happens instantaneously Sep 05 00:36:20 guess i'll have to wait until i have access to another computer. tried it from a mac with equally non-helpful results Sep 05 00:36:26 (on account of it being 32 bit) Sep 05 00:38:03 thank you again for trying to help. Sep 05 00:40:26 what happens if you execute the novacomd.exe itself Sep 05 00:40:36 C:\Program Files\....\novacomd.exe Sep 05 00:42:40 1 moment Sep 05 00:43:20 http://pastebin.com/X1Rgwg20 Sep 05 00:43:50 bah... Sep 05 00:44:01 my thoughts precisely Sep 05 00:44:03 * luwangui is going for the most device doctors in one day Sep 05 00:44:12 ok, let me see if mine gets passed any cmd args Sep 05 00:44:19 tried with -b and same result Sep 05 00:44:22 or if novacomd is doing something like see if it's running as SYSTEM Sep 05 00:44:37 or if there's just some command line argument that services.msc isn't showing me Sep 05 00:47:50 HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\NovacomD suggests no other args Sep 05 00:57:14 i assume i need novacom to do any kind of low level recovery -- i mean all i want to do here is reformat the thing Sep 05 00:58:32 yes you would need that Sep 05 01:00:23 HogarthOK, you said "reformat the thing"...what do you mean by that? Sep 05 01:01:02 i just want to go back to base WebOS 3.0.2 -- it's hung on the "HP" start screen and won't do anything. Sep 05 01:01:14 how did you get to that point? Sep 05 01:02:58 you say you "broke it"...how did you break it? Sep 05 01:03:01 "Erase All Apps and Data" Sep 05 01:03:15 can you can't just doctor? Sep 05 01:03:34 (since there isn't anything to save anyways) Sep 05 01:03:40 doctor won't run. doctor crashes with "System Information has encountered a problem and needs to close" Sep 05 01:04:13 i assume because Novacom won't start Sep 05 01:04:26 ya, probably Sep 05 01:04:36 why did you want to erase all apps etc? Sep 05 01:05:33 preware wasn't able to install things, gave me a readonly filesystem warning Sep 05 01:05:37 eyyy, great success :) wifi in first-use Sep 05 01:05:51 forums suggested erase all apps was a good idea Sep 05 01:06:26 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-pre-plus/242553-new-pre-app-catalog-not-working.html Sep 05 01:06:41 * ka6sox says nothign about forums...they give mostly FALSE information. Sep 05 01:07:08 that's why I've come here >:) Sep 05 01:07:18 rwhitby: you around? I've almost finished sshfs Sep 05 01:07:59 seems that i needed config files in the "wan" folder as well in order to get wifi access in first-use Sep 05 01:08:12 uh.... Sep 05 01:09:42 HogarthOK, without novacomd working we can't help you. Sep 05 01:10:07 as none of the tools we have work without access to the deviced. Sep 05 01:10:10 -d Sep 05 01:10:34 aok Sep 05 01:10:41 I do appreciate ya'll trying. Sep 05 01:10:52 I'll see what else I can break to get novacomd to work. Sep 05 01:10:56 take care Sep 05 01:17:32 eugh, enough doctoring for one night Sep 05 01:22:31 etc, it thinks i'm on here twice Sep 05 01:23:56 can a mod/admin/op please kick the M25 with no _? I feel very silly stealing my own nick due to a bad browser session Sep 05 01:24:51 M25_, its gone Sep 05 01:24:55 so switch Sep 05 01:25:08 thanks :) Sep 05 01:52:56 M25: hey Sep 05 02:44:25 dtzwill you done anything in the chroot yet that would cause the device to not reboot? Sep 05 02:52:15 ok, so I farked something on the touchpad while messing with Ubuntu stuff and it won't reboot now. Shoud I use the meta-doc or the stock doc to get it running? If I use the meta-doc with the 4gb ext3 partition will it create another one? Sep 05 02:54:01 I don't understand how you people manage to break your touchpads using the ubuntu chroot. It's supposed to be inside a chroot and thus not do any harm outside that filesystem.. Sep 05 02:54:15 yeah that's what I totally thought as well Sep 05 02:54:21 rwhitby: almost got SSHFS working, I just need to know what prefix I should give fuse, so it'll set the correct prefix in the pkgconfig, for SSHFS to read Sep 05 02:54:48 the glib .pc files in pkgconfig all have /opt as their prefix, but that doesn't seem to work for fuse Sep 05 02:54:51 M25: I'm not a pkgconfig expert Sep 05 02:55:00 it won't be /opt Sep 05 02:55:05 probably something in STAGING_DIR Sep 05 02:55:46 righto Sep 05 02:56:09 um why is there a 2.2 doc for pre3 when it supposed to run 3.0? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 05 02:59:57 2011