**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 05 02:59:57 2011 Sep 05 02:59:57 Pre 3 does not run 3.0, and has never meant to do so. Sep 05 03:09:06 hey, I've found the issue, it's not that fuse is including the wrong paths, it's that the .pc files in glib have the wrong prefix Sep 05 03:09:31 rwhitby: where in the glib makefiles should I set that prefix? most of the actual operations are from included .mk files, I'm not sure which one to change Sep 05 03:18:25 M25: I'm not familiar with the glib makefiles Sep 05 03:19:03 he has to get a better connection Sep 05 03:19:25 glib is just pulled in from optware Sep 05 03:29:21 ahha! the prefix isn't written by any of the makefiles! it's pre-assigned in the .ipk files that are downloaded Sep 05 03:30:20 anyone here willing to claim responsibility for the glib ipk? Sep 05 03:45:34 M25: looks like the glib comes from optware, which is designed to sit in /opt Sep 05 03:45:45 M25: so I wouldn't use any stuff from it Sep 05 03:46:04 ... but sshfs depends on glib... you want me to compile it from source instead? Sep 05 03:46:16 M25: I'd set a pkgconfig path instead Sep 05 03:46:45 are those erroneous .pc files being staged somewhere? Sep 05 03:46:53 cause they should not be if they are referring to /opt Sep 05 03:47:05 yeah, they need to be, sshfs takes its lib includes from the .pc files Sep 05 03:47:28 are those erroneous .pc files being staged somewhere? Sep 05 03:47:33 they're being staged with the rest of the files in the lib directory, yeah Sep 05 03:47:59 I can cut them out, I'm not sure it'll help any Sep 05 03:48:43 hello, i'm getting an error when trying to build my metadoctor for a ubuntu partition. would anyone be able to assist me? Sep 05 03:48:54 M25: yeah, incorrect .pc files should *NOT* be being staged Sep 05 03:49:04 gotcha, working on it now Sep 05 03:50:43 M25: does sshfs have another way to specify the locations other than pkgconfig ? Sep 05 03:51:09 I get "please download the correct version of the weOS doctor .jar file and move it to ... Error 1" do I need to rename it? Sep 05 03:51:12 yeah, the -I and -L flags, which are already in use, removing the errant .pc files removed some of the problem, it's still not able to link properly Sep 05 03:54:22 http://imgur.com/vZMnK is the output I get. I really thought I followed the meta doctor walkthrough perfectly Sep 05 03:55:32 bizarre, it's not finding the files that are right there in the directory it's looking fore Sep 05 03:55:36 kyle3om: pleae tell me how I can make that message clearer. Sep 05 03:56:18 ""Please download the correct version of the webOS Doctor .jar file and then rename and move it to ...." Sep 05 03:56:47 but does that mean the version I have is incorrect or I just need to rename it? Sep 05 03:56:51 kyle3om: seriously, I want to know. I've made it absolutely as clear as I can, and I want to know how I can make it clearer so I don't get people asking this same question every day. Sep 05 03:58:21 the wiki page even says: "Note : if you receive an error message when running the make file, (e.g 'Please download the correct version of the webOS Doctor .jar file and then move it to downloads/webosdoctorp220manta-wr-2.2.0.jar'), and you are sure you have the correct doctor you need to rename your doctor file, so it matches the name in the error message (e.g. sudo mv webosdoctorp220mantawr.jar webosdoctorp220manta-wr-2.2.0.jar)" Sep 05 03:59:12 rwhitby: http://pastebin.com/MtPNmcfZ Sep 05 03:59:18 that's the error I continue to get on compiling sshfs Sep 05 03:59:39 libfuse.la is in the lib directory, right where it should be Sep 05 03:59:50 .la is not a library file Sep 05 04:00:08 does libfuse.so exist in staging/armv7/usr/lib ? Sep 05 04:00:59 .la is a pkgconfig library file, I don't get any .so files when I compile fuse... although that may be the issue Sep 05 04:01:18 ohh. sorry. I just read the "If the build fails" section and didn't solution their. didnt think to check the header to that section. sorry Sep 05 04:01:59 kyle3om: ok, please edit the wiki page so that the next person does not do the same thing. Sep 05 04:02:05 let me know when you have done your edit. Sep 05 04:03:28 rwhitby: ahHA! libfuse, y u no make .so file like in my older compilation.... Sep 05 04:03:50 ok. will take a bit. have to make an acnt first Sep 05 04:13:55 rwhitby: I actually think you/someone may have deleted step 8 in the Linux directions. in the "Error Conditions" section it references "the file rename in step 8 above" but there is no step 8 Sep 05 04:21:33 rwhitby: ok I have copied the note from Step 2: Running the webos Doctor" and put it in the "Error conditions" section. Also I removed that bit about the "step 8" as their is no step 8. Sep 05 04:22:38 rwhitby: fuse is now satisfied, despite a hidden .libs folder hiding the actual .so files... now I'm running into the problem of without the glib .pc files, the linker can't find the functions it needs... trying a workaround Sep 05 04:25:44 rwhitby: that's effing bizarre... when I put the 'bad' glib .pc files back... it works... completely Sep 05 04:25:52 it's built Sep 05 04:27:12 rwhitby: how do I submit these precious makefiles into the git repo for testing, approval, and eventual inclusion into preware? Sep 05 04:27:44 also, I had to modify glib's makefile to get some includes copied over, turns out the default staging setup misses some of them. Same with FUSE, although that's one I added outright. Sep 05 04:28:06 kyle3om: thanks Sep 05 04:28:46 M25: put a tarball or patches somewhere I can get them Sep 05 04:29:08 <|Jason8|> Sweet mother of God. Sep 05 04:31:34 rwhitby: it'll be up on my public server in 10, I'll give you a url Sep 05 04:31:46 M25: ok Sep 05 04:32:21 doing some tests first, just to make sure it builds from scratch, you'll need to run make && make stage on both the glib and fuse directories in toolchain, then the same on sshfs Sep 05 04:40:48 good thing I checked, I forgot to copy the actual end-products Sep 05 04:41:03 rwhitby: should my make script copy the sshfs binary to any particular place? Sep 05 04:41:55 M25: what's the packaging and install plan? Sep 05 04:42:33 it appears to just be one binary, sshfs Sep 05 04:44:09 righto, putting it in bin Sep 05 04:48:32 rwhitby: I've gotta say, this is the strangest, yet most straightforward way of packaging software, one script that does everything for each package, and a staging directory where everything's supposed to go when it's done, and be pulled from when needed Sep 05 04:48:40 never seen anything like it. Sep 05 04:51:18 rwhitby: m25.mooo.com/build.tar.gz Sep 05 04:56:53 rwhitby: any and all feedback would be appreciated, I can msg you my email if you'd like Sep 05 05:00:00 what's the unaltered size that lvdisplay /dev/mapper/store-media should show? Sep 05 05:03:04 M25: please /msg me the name and email address you would like me to use as the author of those changes when I commit them to the git repo Sep 05 05:04:17 I'm so proud! I've been an iPhone developer for 2 summers, and now for several months at a full time corporation, this is the first time I'm actually getting credit in any app store anywhere :P Sep 05 05:09:35 ok I seem to have lost the 4GB partition that was ext3 for the ubuntu chroot and the directions linked from the wiki aren't helping to recover it. Anyone have experience with this? Sep 05 05:14:11 M25: I was able to build sshfs here Sep 05 05:14:24 rwhitby: WOO!!!! :D Sep 05 05:14:52 nice Sep 05 05:14:53 M25: Can you please add usage instructions to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SSHFS Sep 05 05:15:03 on it Sep 05 05:15:06 then I will work out how to package it for Preware Sep 05 05:15:24 I'll definitely use it Sep 05 05:16:49 M25: I expect we'll put it in /opt/sbin/sshfs rather than /usr/bin Sep 05 05:17:19 I need to do an optware package for rsync too ... Sep 05 05:17:31 that's fine, as long as it's on $PATH for ease of use Sep 05 05:29:45 M25: the built sshfs binary seems to work for me Sep 05 05:30:02 :partay: Sep 05 05:30:39 doing an md5sum of a 24MB file to test it Sep 05 05:30:58 need to switch OS's, be back in a bit Sep 05 05:31:02 I do get "fuse: warning: library too old, some operations may not not work" as a warning Sep 05 05:33:30 k, back Sep 05 05:37:22 md5sum matched Sep 05 05:37:25 I do get "fuse: warning: library too old, some operations may not not work" as a warning Sep 05 05:39:08 huh, if you like you can up the fuse version, I used the latest stable I found on sourceforge Sep 05 05:58:02 rwhitby: the wiki page is made btw Sep 05 05:58:12 M25: thanks Sep 05 05:58:39 so what's the prognosis on getting this into preware? Sep 05 05:58:52 M25: good. just a matter of time now. Sep 05 06:01:27 M25: what's the new wiki page for? Sep 05 06:02:21 sshfs Sep 05 06:02:28 ah Sep 05 06:03:05 has anyone had their touchpad stop charging on the touchstone? I saw some forum threads about it, but wanted to get first-hand experiences from people I know :) Sep 05 06:07:44 on that note, anyone got a solution for propping up the touchpad when using a Bluetooth keyboard with it? Sep 05 06:08:13 M25: the case is what I use Sep 05 06:08:17 official* Sep 05 06:08:29 there's an official case? Sep 05 06:08:38 eys Sep 05 06:08:40 yes* Sep 05 06:09:14 M25: http://www.amazon.com/HP-TouchPad-Custom-Fit-Case/dp/B0055QYJKG Sep 05 06:10:40 nice, but I'm looking for something that wouldn't stay on the touchpad all the time Sep 05 06:11:41 touchstone? Sep 05 06:12:11 and its very easy to take the case on/off Sep 05 06:12:13 I had thought about that, which is why I asked, how is the touchstone at holding the pad if placed on, say, a mattress Sep 05 06:12:41 I think it would do fine.. Sep 05 06:12:45 * PatrickC_TP takes a picture of his Sep 05 06:13:15 actually, looking at that, I could probably 3d print something just like it Sep 05 06:13:19 touchstone works even with the case on Sep 05 06:14:10 good to know... I'm not looking to spend more than $20 on whatever solution I get though, I'm willing to have it look less than professional Sep 05 06:14:45 I'm making a quick model in SketchUp that should do the job, based on the touchstone Sep 05 06:14:48 /me upload pic to dropbox Sep 05 06:14:52 box.net* Sep 05 06:15:20 does the touchstone work with the touchpad horizontal as well as vertical? Sep 05 06:15:29 yes Sep 05 06:15:47 yes Sep 05 06:16:01 yes, but only in one direction Sep 05 06:16:15 home button down vertically and speakers down horizontally Sep 05 06:16:49 that makes sense Sep 05 06:17:36 M25: https://www.box.net/shared/3o4t3c8inkbqec0fyhyx. Sep 05 06:17:44 argh.., https://www.box.net/shared/3o4t3c8inkbqec0fyhyx Sep 05 06:18:38 they both worked Sep 05 06:18:58 PatrickC_TO: that's a hell of a lot of terminals, are those all xterms? Sep 05 06:19:03 ohreally... Sep 05 06:19:09 that's wIRC :) Sep 05 06:19:16 gotcha Sep 05 06:19:28 webchat works fine for me, I'm never in more than one room at once on this thing Sep 05 06:19:39 I'm normally in 2 rooms at a time Sep 05 06:19:45 but I like wirc because of the notifications Sep 05 06:20:00 and just because oil and PuffTheMagic made it :) Sep 05 06:20:15 oh, dwc- too :P Sep 05 06:22:00 PatrickC_TO: would it be odd if I asked you to take some baseline measurements of the touchstone? I can 3d print an equivalent one for much cheaper Sep 05 06:22:35 just the thickness, width, and height of the main back of the unit, the depth of the lip at the bottom, and the length/angle of the hinging leg Sep 05 06:23:23 lemme look for a tape measure Sep 05 06:24:36 11cm wide, 14.5cm tall, and the hinge on the back is 10cm Sep 05 06:24:48 (cm was easier to do then in) Sep 05 06:25:31 how far down from the top is the start of the hinge? Sep 05 06:26:00 approx. 3.5cm Sep 05 06:26:40 sweet. All I need now is thickness of the plastic, and how far the lip at the bottom sticks out Sep 05 06:27:03 await a minute Sep 05 06:27:18 oh! Nevermind Sep 05 06:27:23 it folds, that'll do it Sep 05 06:27:30 thickness is .5cm, and the width at the bottom is 1cm Sep 05 06:27:32 oh, ok Sep 05 06:28:29 are you going to build a stand to the specs of the touchstone? lol Sep 05 06:28:56 I'm going to print one Sep 05 06:29:11 I live about 10 blocks from MIT, they have a 3d printer you can rent time on Sep 05 06:29:24 ah Sep 05 06:29:26 prints in ABS plastic, same stuff as lego Sep 05 06:29:51 * ka6sox makes his own printer...from another printer. Sep 05 06:29:51 I'm mocking up the design now, I can send you it if you want Sep 05 06:29:58 ka6sox: reprap? Sep 05 06:30:12 prusa mendel Sep 05 06:30:26 ka6sox: haven't heard of that one Sep 05 06:30:36 oh! Wait a sec, first gen or second gen? Sep 05 06:31:05 2ond Gen Sep 05 06:31:21 nice, what's the size of the print area? Sep 05 06:31:36 200mm X 200mm Sep 05 06:32:00 huh... That's big enough to fit the touchstone Sep 05 06:32:03 sounds fancy Sep 05 06:34:28 http://i52.tinypic.com/11wfvh3.jpg Sep 05 06:34:39 thats what it will look like when I'm done Sep 05 06:35:18 lol cool Sep 05 06:35:28 wow... Sep 05 06:43:43 well, got a static model... Now to see if I can make a hinge Sep 05 06:53:06 Just been told hybrid apps are supported in the app catalog by HP now - is that correct? Sep 05 06:53:56 haydn, did you ask HP? Sep 05 07:01:31 M25: changed fuse to use the source and patches from opensource.palm.com Sep 05 07:01:55 halfhalo: wIRC is a hybrid app Sep 05 07:01:57 that fix the warning? Sep 05 07:03:31 * haydn != halfhalo ;P Sep 05 07:06:14 Has anyone noticed the sale on london's craigslist for a photo of a touchpad @ £130! Sep 05 07:14:14 M25: does sshfs have to run as root, or can a normal user run it? Sep 05 07:14:50 not sure, fuse has some weird permissions requirements depending on how its installed Sep 05 07:15:52 rwhitby: a normal user can run it Sep 05 07:17:45 Hi Sep 05 07:17:48 I've tested Uberkernel and Warthog kernel on my Veer 2.1.1 but none seem to support cifs. Any plans on that? Sep 05 07:18:22 it could be done as a module perhaps Sep 05 07:18:29 but no plans that I know of atm Sep 05 07:18:36 patches are always welcome ;) Sep 05 07:18:48 rwhitby: what's the protocol for an app going from testing to regular repos Sep 05 07:19:03 M25: people testing it with no problems Sep 05 07:19:27 and us being happy that it's packaged properly, e.g. for upgrade, remove, etc. Sep 05 07:19:36 sshfs should be in the testing feed now Sep 05 07:19:57 Olodin: we need to go through and add CIFS support to all our kernels. Sep 05 07:20:58 * rwhitby bbl Sep 05 07:21:08 +rwhitby: that sounds good! I've read somewhere that cifs is available in touchpad Uberkernel already Sep 05 07:22:20 where's the makefile for Uberkernel? the link to the git repo in http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/242728-webos-internals-uber-kernel.html gives me an error Sep 05 07:22:45 this one: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=kernels/uber-kernel-pre/Makefile Sep 05 07:23:03 rwhitby: downloading and testing now Sep 05 07:25:07 Olodin, that link is from a long time ago... we transitioned from gitweb to cgit Sep 05 07:25:08 http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/kernels Sep 05 07:25:10 try that one Sep 05 07:25:19 then just look at whatever kernel you are interested in Sep 05 07:26:08 thanks, I'll have a look Sep 05 07:30:08 rwhitby: it works, but its not in a location that the default $PATH scans Sep 05 07:30:52 I think because it's listed as a regular app, not as an optware package Sep 05 08:38:03 After deinstalling I re-installed 'add launcher tabs' and they don't show up. Sep 05 08:43:25 ah, now Sep 05 09:04:20 rwhitby, is there an easier way of overwriting tokens other then doctoring. (I want to write a user friendly instructional documentation for the demo unit fix) Sep 05 09:24:16 Jack87: there is not Sep 05 09:24:27 at least not a way that is safe for end users to do Sep 05 09:24:50 M25: to list it as an optware app, we'd need to add the packages to optware first Sep 05 09:24:55 copy that... I was looking at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bootie_Themes but i think i like doctor better Sep 05 09:25:39 if you can spit out a meta-meta script I'll write up instructions based on that. Sep 05 09:25:45 too many things in that to get wrong, and a single typo could trash your bootloader Sep 05 09:26:08 which on a pixi, veer or touchpad would be a brick at the moment Sep 05 09:27:11 rwhitby, do you mean for a meta meta script or the Bootie_Themes method? Sep 05 09:27:46 bootie themes method Sep 05 09:28:15 yay bootie themes Sep 05 09:28:19 * Jack87 thought thats what you ment Sep 05 09:28:33 i had grand plans to have mukltiple layers, alpha blend animations together for bootie Sep 05 09:28:41 but it was hampered by the 64KB memory limit on omaps Sep 05 09:28:41 * Jack87 is wondering when geist will get a TP Sep 05 09:29:09 geist: were you involved in the touchscreen driver at all? Sep 05 09:29:21 for which product? Sep 05 09:29:33 only barely, early on, for the pre Sep 05 09:32:59 the touchpad touchscreen driver seems to be very much in userspace, with very raw data coming from the kenrel Sep 05 09:35:23 M25: the idea would be to put a webOS UI on sshfs, so the path wouldn't matter Sep 05 09:36:06 * rwhitby considers mountah Sep 05 09:49:00 hoedy Sep 05 09:49:28 I received today mine touchpad, and silly me put my real country on hp app catalog when it asked about it Sep 05 09:49:44 I should have put it to USA, so I could buy paid apps Sep 05 09:50:06 is there any patch to try correct this? Sep 05 09:50:34 from palm-central forums I found "the first run app", that should be in preware catalog Sep 05 09:50:40 but I cannot find it.. :/ Sep 05 09:51:14 you're probably reading a forum thread for phones Sep 05 09:51:26 doctor the touchpad, start again, select new country. Sep 05 09:51:51 do you have a US credit/debit card? if not, you won't be able to buy paid apps from the US app catalog Sep 05 09:51:53 its not receiving eearlier choice from backups or something? Sep 05 09:52:19 rwhitby: no, I have just finnish one Sep 05 09:52:39 then setting it to US app catalog is of no use to you Sep 05 09:52:50 but with giftcards I could get some apps? Sep 05 09:53:02 now, when I hit paid apps tab, there is nothing Sep 05 09:53:13 * Jack87 cant download files from password protected sites/php (like online classes) with touchpad pain in the ass! Sep 05 09:55:32 tabasko: you must have a credit card registered to use promo codes Sep 05 09:56:24 I have creditcard, but not US-one Sep 05 09:56:46 you must have a US credit card registered to access paid apps in the US app catalog Sep 05 09:57:02 okay Sep 05 09:57:18 Ill have to live with free apps + homebrew Sep 05 10:01:22 why is "hulu fix" not in the patches feed? Sep 05 10:01:44 same as Add Launcher pages? Sep 05 10:04:47 Jack87: it's not a patch. it's the same as Add Launcher pages Sep 05 10:05:04 gotcha Sep 05 10:14:15 Hello Sep 05 10:14:36 * RichT23 has been a bad bad boy Sep 05 10:14:46 Anyone know how to get css fixed positioning to not suck on webos? Sep 05 10:28:43 TDL: more likely to get an answer in #webos where the JS/CSS devs hang out Sep 05 10:29:46 thanks sir Sep 05 10:30:12 [06:09] * RichT23 has been a bad bad boy Sep 05 10:30:14 wut Sep 05 10:31:02 izza: i ordered TWO veers yesterday Sep 05 10:31:15 they arnt on sale in the UK Sep 05 10:31:38 thorght ill ether sell one here or give the other to my mum =) Sep 05 10:32:03 i theory i could cover the costs of both by selling one here Sep 05 10:32:21 Heh, eBay. Sep 05 10:32:26 RichT23: and you should do so Sep 05 10:33:54 I like faking out older people by using Skype on my Touchpad, and just holding it to my head. Sep 05 10:34:40 I could not have such fun with the Veer, sadly. Sep 05 10:35:49 I really wish they had used the pixi backing material for the touchpad Sep 05 10:36:21 Rubberized? Sep 05 10:37:13 * izza has not seen one in person, so does not know what material you refer to Sep 05 10:37:30 rwhitby: Ill see how much i like the Veer Sep 05 10:37:42 I realy wanted a Pre3 Sep 05 10:38:02 Only one problem with my Pre 3. Sep 05 10:38:16 It's only 8GB. My Pre 2 is 16GB. It's not gonna fit. Sep 05 10:38:39 Ya its crazzy they they didnt have SD card slots Sep 05 10:39:18 i love(d) the 650 and its sim and sdcad slot Sep 05 10:39:27 just sat there at the top Sep 05 10:39:36 i still have the 650 of course Sep 05 10:39:47 and still love it =) Sep 05 10:39:53 and the 680 Sep 05 10:40:05 and am still using my Centro Sep 05 10:40:12 so much faster Sep 05 11:03:50 yeah pixi has a rubberized backing Sep 05 11:04:22 also fully removable/replacable for inductive charging Sep 05 11:04:31 (and sim card) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 05 11:28:15 2011 Sep 05 12:04:01 sconix: just found a bug in Mode Switcher (Pre3)... "Edit Default Mode" → "Settings" → "Screen" → "Wallpaper" → "Select" makes the wallpaper look like this: http://i.imgur.com/Xlt6d.png Sep 05 12:04:27 oups, only partially uploaded... re-uploading it Sep 05 12:07:42 sconix: full screenshot: http://eliasprobst.eu/~elias/stuff/Unknown_2011-05-09_135726.png Sep 05 12:17:28 eliasp: thanks for reporting, will fix for next release Sep 05 12:18:12 sconix: great, thx Sep 05 12:50:34 hi guys, im trying to build teh standard webos opensource kernel Sep 05 12:50:59 I got ther kernel from opensource.palm.com, and applied the patches there no problem Sep 05 12:51:12 I build the msm_defconfig and then run make Sep 05 12:51:15 but i keep getting Sep 05 12:51:42 arch/arm/mach-msm/pm.c:195: error: 'MAX_NR_CLKS' Sep 05 12:52:03 any ideas? Sep 05 12:52:54 i am trying to mount my nas on the TP..running uberkernel, uberkernel is supporting cifs isnt it? Sep 05 12:53:11 however i get : mount: mounting //192.168.1.122/video on /media/internal/nas failed: No such device Sep 05 12:53:23 does this mean the kernel doesnt support cifs afterall? Sep 05 12:53:39 -t cifs added to mount at all? Sep 05 12:53:44 yes Sep 05 12:54:19 YeahRight: you need latest Uberkernel from testing feed Sep 05 12:54:46 ah..i installed through preware indeed Sep 05 12:54:51 so that one wont work yet? Sep 05 12:55:30 YeahRight: cifs support seems to be there since 3.0.2-36 Sep 05 12:55:46 YeahRight: if you have not configured any manual feed, it won't work Sep 05 12:56:09 no i didnt do that yet..i dont know which version i got installed Sep 05 12:56:15 should i uninstall the preware uberkernel one first before using a test feed? Sep 05 12:56:26 YeahRight: yes Sep 05 12:56:47 ok..thanks for the answers..appreciate it :-) Sep 05 12:57:22 seems preware installs 3.0.2-22 Sep 05 12:57:51 would you recommand any specific kernel? since i will start using a testfeed anyway there isnt a specific need for using uberkernel Sep 05 12:58:56 will uninstalling uberkernel influence my openssh setup somehow? Sep 05 13:01:29 do u have to repay for a purchase and deleted app and is there a way to gift an app to someone? Sep 05 13:02:02 Olodin still here maybe? Sep 05 13:02:20 bb-q: no, no (unless you are the developer of the app) Sep 05 13:02:37 thats gay Sep 05 13:02:39 YeahRight: sorry. openssh shouldn't be affected Sep 05 13:03:09 I don't think app purchasing and gifting has anything to do with sexual orientation ... Sep 05 13:03:21 * rwhitby bbt Sep 05 13:06:41 YeahRight: I have no touchpad and cannot suggest any specific kernel. If you need cifs, maybe you could stick with Uberkernel and give some testreport Sep 05 13:06:43 thx Olodin .. how about a specific kernel to recommand? what's the general opinion here about the "best" kernel? Sep 05 13:07:09 i thought i saw more kernels support cifs Sep 05 13:08:11 warthog seems to do so Sep 05 13:21:38 sconix: just updated to MS 2.4.1 and wondered why after the device reboot the default mode wasn't enabled... then I started MS and set it to "Activated"... I was greeted by this: http://eliasprobst.eu/~elias/stuff/modeswitcher_2011-05-09_151527.png Sep 05 13:22:27 sconix: ping me if you need any debug information (Pre3) Sep 05 13:33:11 test Sep 05 13:35:56 i was wondering if a new version of preware maybe could maybe list whether or not apps are meant to run natively on the touchpad? Sep 05 13:37:22 hmmm I don't think so Sep 05 13:37:26 but don't quote me on that Sep 05 13:38:17 hmmmmm. The issue is whether the apps that are just for the touchpad have a flag to let preware know... I'm unaware of one. Sep 05 13:45:16 the HP app store does list it i think..that maybe suggests such a flag sould exist? Sep 05 13:45:18 would Sep 05 13:48:26 kun je bij die duitse winkel wel met nl cc of paypal betalen? Sep 05 13:48:46 sorry..wrong channel Sep 05 13:54:35 is there a way to save the data of 'Mode Switcher' (2.4.1, Pre3, webOS 2.2.x) using Save+Restore? there's a ModeSwitcher listed under "Supported Applications", but I assume this is Mode Switcher 1.x Sep 05 14:53:36 eliasp_: stupid typo left in the code, will release 2.4.2 soon Sep 05 14:54:10 sconix: great, thx a lot... any idea about Save&Restore and MS 2.x? Sep 05 15:02:31 eliasp_: just pushed 2.4.2, fixes wallpaper and the service error Sep 05 15:02:46 eliasp_: no need for save&restore, the config is stored in palm profiel and you can always export your modes Sep 05 15:02:47 sconix: great, updating now Sep 05 15:02:53 eliasp_: it takes a while to show up Sep 05 15:02:56 15-30 minutes Sep 05 15:02:59 sconix: ah, ok Sep 05 15:03:11 you need to re-select the wallpapers in your modes for it to get fixed Sep 05 15:03:29 after the update Sep 05 15:04:04 just had it set in 1 modifier and only for testing... hadn't really used the wallpaper setting Sep 05 15:05:24 the current fix is still a bit hack since you need to re-select the wallapepr for it to work. I will fix it properly for MS 3.x Sep 05 15:06:12 oh, there's a MS 3.x on the way? MS 2.x seemed just perfect, but it looks like you found a way to improve it even more ;) Sep 05 15:06:40 http://wee.e-lnx.org/tmp/ms-enyo-0.png Sep 05 15:06:46 its re-write in enyo :) Sep 05 15:06:49 there's the tablet interface Sep 05 15:07:26 ah, ok... trying to get a TP 32 tomorrow... a German retailer will have tomorrow 1.3k units for sale Sep 05 15:07:36 the main change is that the setting profiles are separte from modes so you can even re-use them in multiple modes Sep 05 15:07:46 also you can see the current situation seen by mode switcher: http://wee.e-lnx.org/tmp/ms-enyo-9.png Sep 05 15:08:17 yay, really sexy this Enyo interface :) Sep 05 15:08:24 thx for this nice sneak preview ;) Sep 05 15:08:42 Ms 3.x will be finally in the shape I originally intented it to be :) Sep 05 15:08:46 got to go now, will test MS 2.4.2 later, it didn't show up in the feeds yet Sep 05 15:08:48 great Sep 05 15:09:01 let me know if there are problems in 2.4.2 Sep 05 15:09:12 I'll do, thx for the updates/fixes Sep 05 15:15:10 hello all Sep 05 15:16:32 Has the equivelent of the PalmDatabase.db been found on webos 2 yet? Sep 05 15:16:41 and if so is it actually accessable? Sep 05 15:26:20 any one? Sep 05 15:48:02 hey guys, I'm trying to sideload kindle books on the touchpad. It's reading a database somewhere to get the list of books instead of looking in the folder that has them all. i've been digging through the source of the kindle app, and I think I understand the database structure that it's using so i can write a script to manually add some books, but i can't find the database or how to access it... can anyone give me some poin Sep 05 15:50:30 m0ngr31: interesting, I've been meaning to check into that also. I have been able to sideload books by downloading books I don't need, then taking the book I want and converting it in calibre to .mobi (which unencrypted .azw and .mobi are the same thing) , then copying it to the device in place of (with the same filename as) the "disposable" book Sep 05 15:50:41 m0ngr31: so I know that the kindle app will open arbitrary ebook files Sep 05 15:50:59 but I haven't gotten to putting new books into the database yet Sep 05 15:53:47 destinal: yeah, i've done a bunch of kindle 3 hacking back when i first got mine. i wrote some python and bash scripts that would find the info from your books and assign them a real ASIN number and give them a fake one if they weren't sold in the amazon store. it worked great for syncing your sideloaded books using whispersync across your devices Sep 05 15:54:25 m0ngr31: nice, I didn't even realize that worked Sep 05 15:54:35 i really like the functionality of whispersync, so i'd want the ASIN numbers to match and not be garbage ones so it would sync across my devices Sep 05 15:55:29 destinal: yeah, as long as amazon thinks it's not a sample and has a legit-looking ASIN number it'll sync progress across your different devices Sep 05 15:56:19 ah so you sideload it to all your kindle devices individually but it keeps track of where you are in the book on all of them? Sep 05 15:56:28 exactly Sep 05 15:57:01 and I'd like to have that work on the touchpad as well... but i can't figure out how to inject things into the database it's using. Sep 05 15:57:11 yeah that is pretty cool. my other reader is a nook2 but I could always load up the kindle app :) Sep 05 15:57:44 yeah whispersync is awesome Sep 05 15:58:12 m0ngr31: so probably it's a sqlite database on the device, I just haven't gone looking, yet Sep 05 15:58:55 there is some information in these: /var/db/main/objects.db and /var/db/main/indexes.db Sep 05 15:59:27 i've been looking in impostah and found all the entries for books, but i have no idea about how to add info to the database Sep 05 16:09:57 sigh, firefox / chatzilla decided to lose its mind Sep 05 16:24:14 has any one been able to backup texts on WebOS 2 yet? Sep 05 16:24:43 nat_davies: the palm profile can back them up :) Sep 05 16:25:24 I know but I'm running webos 2 on a pre- and need to downgrade so they are all going to be lost. Sep 05 16:25:37 so need to get them off the device. Sep 05 16:26:52 is it possible to uninstall something without using the hp software manager? it wants to update 2 things i installed, however the updates keep failing and in fact i just want to uninstall those things again but the option isnt there anymore Sep 05 16:32:25 YeahRight: device with keyboard? the square key + tap on the launcher Sep 05 16:32:46 or, try swipe-to-delete in the software manager Sep 05 16:34:36 does webos has an equivelent of the PalmDatabase.db on 1.4.5 etc? Sep 05 16:34:44 webos 2** Sep 05 16:45:35 nat_davies, check on PreCentral, I think someone did backup the messaging stuff Sep 05 16:47:31 it did work on Save/Restore for webos 1.4.5.. but now it doesn't give the option to backup the data. Sep 05 17:15:45 I was interested in exploring a patch to allow for connection to Ad-Hoc networks via the TouchPad. I found the wifi.js file, however, I'm having a hard time finding the source for the WiFiService that it calls out to. Any ideas where the source is for that? Sep 05 17:16:01 Any other help or hints would also be appreciated. Sep 05 17:17:22 sdct989:No source is available for WifiServce afaik. Sep 05 17:18:34 That's a bummer, is there no way to make changes to those components then? Sep 05 17:18:40 sdct989: http://opensource.palm.com/3.0.2/index.html Thats all the source available Sep 05 17:19:17 wrea: Yeah I was looking at that earlier, but really its only the open source packages that they made changes to Sep 05 17:19:43 wrea: I'm guessing that this is some sort of custom C code components that they made to back the JavaScript? Sep 05 17:19:45 Yeah. They're only going to make available what they have to Sep 05 17:20:04 Yeah Sep 05 17:21:16 wrea: Do you know if anyone has made any patches for C code objects on WebOS devices at all? Sep 05 17:23:14 Not sure. It wouldnt be out of the realm of possibility, I would think Sep 05 17:23:18 I know I've seen several articles online about swapping kernels, so it looks like people are doing stuff at the Linux layer Sep 05 17:29:18 hey guys, how do I get an onboard terminal or an ssh server working? much of the documentation refers to a package called Terminal, but I cant find it. and I can't figure out how to get openssh to run :/ Sep 05 17:31:40 *correction it seems to be running, but the authentication fails. the only way I know to resolve the problem I'm having w/ ssh is to copy an rsa key to the server (ie the touchpad) Sep 05 17:35:33 dec1227: yeah installing a rsa key is required. For just an on screen termial app you can use xecutah, xserver & xterm Sep 05 17:40:28 haydnh: none of those show up in a preware search. do i need to add a feed? Sep 05 17:44:12 peanus Sep 05 17:46:52 haydnh: i don't have web access on the tp atm, but I did search for xterm last night and couldn't find it... what robobot[0] said... Sep 05 17:53:44 dec1227, robobot[0]: For the time being xterm/xserver/xecutah are in the testing feeds. Note that as such all testing feed rules apply if choose to add them. Sep 05 17:54:19 iow, dont come crying if your touchpad explodes Sep 05 17:54:32 indeed Sep 05 17:55:18 although offhand if your device does explode for real, please do tell us becaues that's crazy ;) Sep 05 17:55:23 *kablooey* hehe Sep 05 17:55:39 heh, actually i think the testing feed rules obligate you to tell us what you did to cause that so we can debug it xD :P Sep 05 17:56:02 dtzWill: thanks! Sep 05 17:57:23